July 29, 2025 • 51 mins
Have you ever had a dream that felt so far out of reach, it almost seemed impossible? You’re not alone. So many women, especially entrepreneurs, wrestle with that feeling. But here's the truth: with resilience, flexibility, and a whole lot of belief in yourself, those dreams can become reality. As a seasoned marketing strategist, Carrolee Drummonds knows this firsthand. She is a powerhouse when it comes to helping people turn big goals into real, actionable wins. She’s all about pivoting to purpose and pressing forward with perseverance. Carrolee is the host of the Be Moore Mindful podcast, where she helps new and aspiring entrepreneurs shift their mindset, grow their brands, and market their businesses like pros. She help inspire untiring optimism, which is necessary for success. She’s an award-winning speaker, writer, and the brains behind CMCG, where she teaches experts how to attract their dream clients using the power of (OPP) Other People’s Podcasts. When she’s not helping people shine in business, she’s out in the community making a difference through her Care Moore Initiative. Learn some of her empowering tips for success in this episode of Women Road Warriors with Shelley Johnson and Kathy Tuccaro.
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This is Women Road warriorswith Shelly Johnson and Kathy Tucaro.
From the corporate office tothe cab of a truck, they're here
to inspire and empower womenin all professions.
So gear down, sit back and enjoy.
(00:23):
Welcome.
We're an award winning showdinner dedicated to empowering women
in every profession throughinspiring stories and expert insights.
No topics off limits.
On our show, we power women onthe road to success with expert and
celebrity interviews andinformation you need.
I'm Shelly.
And I'm Kathy.
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Have you ever had a dream thatjust seems so distant it can't possibly
be real or attainable?
Many women, including businessowners, often face this.
It takes resilience,determination, a belief in yourself
and flexibility to achievewhat you really want.
Carolee Drummonds knows thisall too well.
She helps people make theirdreams and goals tangible and attainable.
(01:06):
She talks about things likepivoting to purpose and perseverance.
She's the host of the Be MoreMindful podcast where she helps new
and aspiring entrepreneursshift their mindset to grow and market
their businesses.
Caralee is an award winningspeaker, writer and content marketing
consultant with over 15 yearsof experience as principal consultant
(01:26):
at CMCG.
She helps experts andconsultants become magnets to their
ideal clients, using the powerof other people's podcasts or opp.
Beyond her work as a marketer,she's an active volunteer in her
community, serving on severalnonprofit boards and founding the
Caremore Initiative, an annualaward given to a nonprofit that provides
them with creative andfundraising services.
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The initiative has providedover $60,000 in services since 2022.
Caralee is the GPS people andbusinesses need to succeed.
That's why we decided tofeature her on our show.
Welcome, Caralee.
Thank you for being with us today.
Thank you so much, Shelly, forthat fantastic introduction and I'm
super excited to be here.
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Oh, you're very welcome.
And it's so deserved.
You've done a lot of stuff.
No kidding.
That's impressive.
Like, holy smokes.
Yeah, the pivot part.
Yeah.
Oh, gosh.
There's so much pivotingpeople have to do today.
And you know, you inspire somany ladies.
Kiralee, we were so excitedwhen you reached out to us to be
on our show.
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I wanted to give our listenersa chance to get to know you first.
What's your background and howdid you get started in this inspirational
journey?
Oh, my goodness.
So first and foremost, I thinkI'd be remiss if I didn't say that
I was actually born on thesunny island of Jamaica.
And I do think Being bornthere, raised there Until I was 10
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years old, it impacted metremendously, from my love of storytelling
to my love of people and thisidea that anything is possible because
I'm from this tiny littleisland in the mountains where we
herded goats and sheeps andcows and all the things and got dropped
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in the middle of the.
Of one of the biggest citiesin the US In Boston, Massachusetts,
and had to figure it out.
Wow, that's.
That's a huge change.
It was huge.
So that was probably the firstpivot, for sure.
But, yeah, I fell in love withstorytelling because it really was
a way for me.
It was a window for me tolearn this culture.
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I went from, obviously, onevery particular type of culture into
a whole new world.
And for me, it was movies,books, anything, music, anything.
That kind of got me tounderstand Americans a bit more.
And of course, you're, youknow, 10, 11, with a funny accent,
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you get teased, so you'retrying to become more American, so
you lessen the teasing a bit.
But through that, I just.
I fell in love with all things media.
And so that's what I, youknow, went to college for.
Well, I was an English majorfor two seconds.
Switched out of that.
I'm telling you, pivot.
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Literally.
Like, I've been pivoting formy whole life.
So storytelling for me, afterI finished my undergraduate degree,
it was really what I wanted to do.
I wanted to go into publicrelations, specifically in the music
industry.
But I graduated in the middleof a little thing called the recession.
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Yeah, so not the recent one.
That was kind of sort of a recession.
Like.
No, like the real, like, bigone where everyone freaked out and
there were no jobs and all the things.
So I ended up pivoting againfrom what I thought I was going to
do into healthcare, thecomplete opposite.
If there could be anythingthat was the opposite of the glitz
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and glamour of entertainment,healthcare and project management
would be that.
And so I. I worked in projectmanagement for different types of
companies for a while andtransitioned from project management
into corporate relations anddoing a lot of that work for higher
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education institutions morerecently, or the last one I did that
for was at MassachusettsInstitute of Technology, mit.
And all the while working anddoing those things, I was on the
side building out a thrivinggraphic design and marketing side
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hustle, if you will.
So from like, 28,008 untilmost recently, I was a graphic designer.
But folks didn't know that inmy day job until they did.
And then that kind of shiftedwhat my jobs became because they
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wanted to of course, takeadvantage of someone who could do
all the things.
I could write, I could dographite design, I could do some
web design, I can do all thesedifferent things.
And so my last job incorporate was being over partnerships
and so connecting peopleagain, storytelling, helping corporations
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tell better stories thatactually impacted the communities
that we lived in and the worldat large in the way that they wanted
to.
And so once I transitioned outof that world, I pretty much decided
I didn't want to go back.
And in the middle of thatdecision was the pandemic.
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So I got let go two weeksbefore the pandemic actually happened,
like, became like worldwide.
And then I decided three,three months after that that I wanted
to move from Massachusetts toTexas, a state that I had only been
to once.
I wanted to move to a specifictown that I had never been to, had
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no friends, no family, nonothing, and came here and realized,
okay, maybe I should find a job.
Looked for a few, couldn'tfind it, was still doing things on
the side, and then decidedafter some time being here that I
wanted to take thisopportunity to bet on myself and
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build a business on my own.
Keep in mind that I knew noone had no connection whatsoever
in this new place.
And so, you know, theglamorous life of sleeping on an
air mattress with an emptyapartment that echoed because there
was literally no furniture,know what that's like, right?
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And with a dream of likefiguring this thing out and building
it up.
And after two years, I'll,I'll spare all the gory details.
After two years of just likewhite knuckling it, I, I built a
multi six figure business.
Wow.
Oh, there's a pivot coming again.
And I was living my quoteunquote dream.
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I was this graphic designerthat now was leading this creative
agency with these phenomenallytalented people working with small
businesses.
But I was not eating well, Iwas not exercising.
I was incredibly stressed out.
I started having heartpalpitations and chest pains.
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I found out that I was prediabetic and I am 130 pounds soaking
wet.
So those two things don'ttypically come together.
Right.
And so I decided in the middleof last year that I was going to
shut that entire operation down.
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It was the hardest decisionthat I ever had to make in my life
because I had to let go of myentire team, save one.
And even now I'm gettingemotional about it, just saying that
and starting over again.
And so I am now in the middleof building a new business, the one
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that you mentioned helping,you know, under underrepresented
subject matter experts withpodcast pitching and content, et
cetera.
I'm finally.
There's no pivoting coming,like, tomorrow, but given my life,
there more than likely will be.
But for now, I'm very, veryhappy, very, very content.
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And I feel just like I'm inthe best place that I've been in
a few years.
Oh, and I forgot married theguy that I met at my first networking
event in Texas.
Oh, well.
So.
So it's kind of like aHollywood movie in many ways.
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You know, I love it.
So you do know how to pivot.
A lot of people don't.
You know, human beings do liketheir security.
They like things the same.
But the fact that you kind ofhad to acclimate and get used to
pivoting, that kind of gaveyou an edge, didn't it, Carolee?
It absolutely did.
And I'll be honest, forwhoever it is, because there are
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definitely a lot of people whoare teaching or speaking on pivoting,
and they make it sound so sexyand, like, 10 ways to, like, listen.
It's painful.
It is not fun.
And you don't become an expertat this thing.
You just learn to deal.
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Yep.
And make the best out of all situations.
You become a forced optimist.
Because that's not my naturalgo to, like, everything is going
to be okay.
No, that's not how I'm like, naturally.
But I've had to become that inorder to survive, so.
For sure.
So is optimism something thatis one of the key elements for not
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only business, but people ingeneral when they're trying to accomplish
something?
I mean, it's hard to beoptimistic, especially when you hear,
well, if you watch the news,it's like, if it bleeds, it leads.
Danger, danger, danger.
You know?
No, that I think for me, whenI mentioned in my email to you guys,
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that I believe that resiliencycan be taught.
I do also believe thatoptimism can be taught.
I. I think that belief in itself.
Right.
Because it does.
You don't necessarily have tobe optimist.
You don't have to beoptimistic to believe, if that makes
sense.
You don't have to, like, thinkthings are rainbows and butterflies
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to believe in it.
Right.
I.
Entrepreneurship is messy.
Yes.
It can be.
Building out something fromscratch is messy.
I. I see it as almost like agricultural.
Like, you go and you're in the dirt.
It is not pretty to.
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To plant things and to tillthe soil and to get things ready.
You're getting your hands dirty.
You're literally, you know,knee deep in dirt and you're giving
it all you've got to plantthis thing and to water it and to
be back out there.
It takes all this work.
But then you start to see thelittle thing that pops out of the
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soil and you're like, wow,okay, something happened.
Something is working, right?
And it is up to you.
And this is the part, thebelief part, right?
And it's up to you to decidewhat those little pops are, right?
Some people need a huge thingto happen for them to believe.
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I think resiliency is beingable to find those pops in the most
obscure and sometimes hard tosee places.
Meaning you can have a weekwhere your lights are shut off or
your car gets rebowed orwhatever the case is like really
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bad things, right?
Resiliency is saying, well, atleast I have my two legs.
Do I need to go somewhere thatI probably would have to drive before?
How, how else can I figurethis out?
What else can I do to get tothat same place, right?
What else can I do to makemore money so that I can buy another
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car or do the things right?
It is not being optimistic tothe point of like not seeing the
reality, but it's choosing tofocus on and seeing those little
pops that come into your life,the little light that comes in the
middle of the darkness.
And it's hard.
It is not easy, but it can be taught.
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Have you ever had a dream thatfelt so far out of reach that it
almost seemed impossible?
You're not alone.
So many women, especiallyentrepreneurs, wrestle with that
feeling.
But here's the truth.
With resilience, flexibility,and a whole lot of belief in yourself,
those dreams can become reality.
Our guest knows that firsthand.
(16:52):
Caralee Drummonds is apowerhouse when it comes to helping
people turn big goals intoreal, actionable wins.
She's all about pivoting topurpose and pressing forward with
perseverance.
Caralee is the host of the BeMore Mindful podcast where she helps
new and aspiring entrepreneursshift their mindset, grow their brands
and market their businesseslike pros.
(17:15):
She's an award winningspeaker, writer, and the brains behind
CMCG where she teaches expertshow to attract their dream clients
using the power of otherpeople's podcasts.
And when she's not helpingpeople shine in business, she's out
in the community making adifference between through her care
More initiative.
Carolee, you really open up alot of horizons for people and businesses
(17:35):
with your strategies.
So it's a matter of being ableto look at the possibilities through
the fog, right?
Yeah, for sure.
And some people are stuck in.
There are some people who arejust plain negative, negative Nellies
I like to call them.
It's like, oh dear God, I know.
A few of those at work.
Oh, and when you talk to them,you feel like you've been in a thunderstorm.
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It's like totally drenched.
It's like, where's my umbrella?
How do people live like that?
And you wonder how they evolve.
And it's easy to get suckedinto that if you're around people
who do that.
That is a fact.
And I, I realized too, I'vegotten a, I have had a lot of loss
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that I thought were loss,losses that ended up actually being
for my benefit.
And some of those losses wererelationships with people.
And what I've recognized isthis journey, this tilling of the
soil journey, right?
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You need people who are eithergoing to get down in the, you know,
the muck and whatever with youto be like, oh, you got it.
I believe in you.
I'm going to come and I'mgoing to help you, or someone who's
going to come and give you ashovel or, you know, hey, here you
go.
To make your work easier, dothe thing or they'll come and literally
just give you seats.
I needed to find my village.
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People who were not only gonnabelieve in me and what I was building,
but maybe they're buildingtheir own stuff, right?
And so they have a certainlevel of belief, they have a certain
level of optimism, doggedoptimism when things don't necessarily
look the best.
And I, I, I was hurt when Ilost those friendships.
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But what I recognize is whenyou are in the middle of those challenges,
you really do need, like yousaid, community of people who are
not going to just be thunderand rain on all of your dreams.
You need people that are goingto be, be there with you.
And that has been, I think2024 was that year for me in finding
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new communities and findingpeople who were on their own journeys.
And it's been life changing,not just for my business, but for
me as a person to not feel so alone.
Where do people find their village?
Sometimes it's superdifficult, especially if you run
into people who are naysayers.
And there are a lot of people.
Out there like that.
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They can say, oh, that's nevergoing to work.
And a lot of it may be becausethey're jealous, because they'd like
to be doing that, or they,they don't really want you to succeed,
to find somebody who'sgenuine, who's really going to work
with you and be your champion.
It's been in a bunch ofdifferent places.
I, I started my business andgrew it from going outdoors.
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Texas was never really closeddown in the pandemic.
They apparently didn't believein Covid, but we were outside.
And so I met a ton of otherbusiness owners at the time, and
a lot of them were also new entrepreneurs.
And so there was a naturalbond of like, oh, what are you trying
to, what are you doing tobuild your business?
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What are you doing to try andkind of make things happen?
And so that was my naturalinstinct because the Internet is
not really, I don't know, it'snot my favorite place to be and so
that's not where I went tofind community first.
However, in 2024 I paid into amastermind was my first paid anything
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as relates to groups.
But that has been another gamechanger because I, because you're
paying for something, it's notjust like a free thing that anybody
kind of goes to.
You're paying for it and youknow everyone else is there paying
for it.
You're taking your, thebuilding of your business seriously
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and so you're finding otherpeople who are doing the exact same
thing.
They're taking the building oftheir businesses seriously and so
you're able to connect in areal way.
So I would say for anyonewho's looking for community, if you're
not wanting to pay to haveaccess to folks that are kind of
going through the same thingyou're going through, think about
the things that really lightyou up, think about the things that
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you enjoy and try to findthose spaces, whether that is going
on eventbrite and looking forthose things.
There are plenty of groups onLinkedIn and on Facebook that start
online but build in person,which is always my go to of like
taking the group chat off theInternet and bringing it, bringing
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it into real life.
So I, I would say kind of oneof the biggest things is finding
what actually lights you upand finding other people who find
the same joy in the samethings because then that's easier
to build your community andthat's also you'll probably be more
likely to find people whoenjoy and are not going to be super
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negative about the thing thatyou enjoy.
Sure.
You know, it's magical whenyou can find people that are like
minded who have information.
I mean there's so much to learn.
Social media brings all ofthat to us and not everybody spends
their time doing that.
But when you think about it,the wealth of knowledge that we have
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available and networking withpeople who are so inspirational,
it's powerful.
I agree.
I agree.
And I, when I, when I shiftedmy mind.
So I am in this weird sandwichgeneration and I'm not using that
term in the typical way thatit's used now.
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Sandwich generation,technologically is what I'm specifically
referring to, meaning mygeneration, like the elder millennials
as we like to call ourselves,we, we knew life without social media.
We knew connecting in reallife, in the real world without social
media.
We also grew to understand howto build community online because
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Facebook and MySpace and allthat came into being when we were
in college.
And like all the things So I,as much as I don't enjoy social media
overwhelm, like right now, itjust, it's.
It's a lot.
We spend a lot of time online,specifically on social media.
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And I, I miss those days whenthere was a little bit more balance.
Right.
And so for me, that's how Itry to live my life.
I have groups that, I have anaccountability group with women that
are not.
None of them live in my area.
They're all mostly on the east coast.
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And, you know, we're startinga book club with women again that
are going to be some herelocally and others that are elsewhere
on Zoom.
I have my small group, mychurch that's local.
You just, you have to find a balance.
And I'm always, wheneversomeone asks me that question, I'm
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always going to go back to,like, touch people.
Like, go outside.
Yeah.
Because online is fantastic.
It's fantastic to learn.
But we are social human beingsand we can't forget that.
And I think we are.
I think you have an advantagebecause you had a combination, you
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know, how to relate to peoplein real life, you know, rather than
behind a device.
I still don't understandpeople sitting at a restaurant and
they're visiting, but they're not.
They're eating their meal andthey're looking at their device,
so they're not interacting.
Or maybe they're even textingthe person across from them.
That makes no sense to me.
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It's like, really?
How about we just puteverybody's phones away?
We're losing something here, people.
We are.
My mom and I yesterday wentout for a walk and we decided to
stop in for a cup of coffee atthis cafe that I've never been to.
Just.
Or we went for a mocha halfhot chocolate and have coffee and
there's about, I don't know,maybe eight or ten tables in this
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little cafe.
And my mom and I honestly werethe only ones that did not have their
phones that were not looking,that were.
That were actually engaging ina conversation and laughing.
Everyone.
It was like, quiet.
And they're like, you justsaid Shelly.
They're all so focused ontheir phones that they're forgetting
who's sitting in front of them.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's really.
I don't know.
And maybe I'm.
Maybe I'm just a weird, like.
Because I know people my agewho are obsessed social media and
they live their whole livesand they put their whole lives on
social media.
And I just, I'm.
I'm so, so passionate aboutgetting people And I do think there's
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a movement kind of anti, thewhole kind of social media bubble.
Right.
I actually created my ownconcept called antisocial content
marketing.
That's actually why I gotobsessed with podcasts because I
feel like as much as itobviously is not in person, mostly
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it's not so bite sized andlike 30 second real whatever.
You're genuinely like this,having real conversations with real
people and I, I miss that.
Right.
It's just for whatever reason,we've allowed technology that's supposed
to be connecting us more topull us completely apart.
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And you're seeing the impactof it throughout society.
It's isolating and dividing,which is interesting.
And with all of the socialmedia that's out there, it's in bite
sized content.
People are now having theattention span of a gnat.
Yeah.
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Isn't that the truth?
So accurate.
You know, it's funny, I, I'min the process of, and I really,
I'm gonna send you guys one ofthe first copies.
I'm in the middle of writing a book.
Oh, excellent.
And, and the, the macro partof the book.
Cause it's not, it's gonna beabout podcast guesting.
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But I, I, it wouldn't be aCarolee book if it didn't have larger
implication of like okay, society.
My comments on society.
And yes, it's going to beabout podcasting.
But here's the thing.
When we think about how werelate to people, how we connect
to people, how as a businesswe used to connect to our audience.
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Right before we, it wasn'thard for us to think about a face
of a customer.
There are people who aremarketing their business who, if
you ask them like, who are youmarketing to?
They'll rattle off whatever.
But it's not like a real person.
Right.
We've lost this connectionboth as society, but even when it
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comes to how we do business,it's not people centered in like
a real way anymore.
And a lot of times you see onthe Internet, it's kind of the fake
it till you make it.
It's not real.
There's a lot of like phonybaloney stuff happening and we have
to address that in a real way.
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And I, I'm passionate aboutgiving women the platforms to do
that more.
Which is why I was likeobsessed with your concept and wanted
to be on your podcast becauseI think we're twin flames in that
way.
Like I, I just want to do that more.
So that book is going to be acomment on society.
Like, hey, social media issupposed to be bringing us together
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and making us more connected,but it's actually doing the complete
opposite of that.
And there is a movement tocombat that entire thing because
it's not sustainable.
Excellent.
Where's this movement?
We need more of it.
If I have to be the loudestone, I'm okay with that.
There you go.
So that is, that is coming,but that's the concept of the book
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is really connecting expertiseto folks who need it.
So folks who want to actuallymake the world a better place and
create a real impact, it'sgoing to be a playbook to do that
in a world where we areincreasingly more separated, divided
and.
Yeah, excellent.
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Stay tuned for more of WomenRoad warriors coming up.
Dean Michael, the tax doctor here.
I have one question for you.
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Welcome back to Women Roadwarriors with Shelly Johnson and
Kathy Park.
So many women, especiallyentrepreneurs, wrestle with chasing
a dream that feels just out of reach.
But here's the truth.
With resilience, flexibility,and a strong belief in yourself,
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those dreams can absolutelybecome reality.
Our guest today knows thatbetter than anyone else.
Carolee Drummonds is a trueforce, a woman on a mission to help
people turn bold goals andinto real, measurable wins.
She's all about pivoting topurpose and powering forward with
perseverance.
Caralee is the host of the BeMore Mindful podcast where she supports
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new and aspiring entrepreneursin shifting their mindset, building
their brand and marketing likeseasoned pros.
One of her signatureingredients, untiring optimism, the
fuel behind real success.
Caralee's an award winningspeaker, writer and founder of cmcj,
where she teaches experts howto grow their audience by tapping
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into the power of otherpeople's podcasts.
And when she's not in businessmode, she's giving back through her
Care More initiative.
Caralee, in our previoussegment, you were talking about a
book that you're in theprocess of writing, which is talking
about how disconnected we areand how we need to reconnect with
our humanity.
I think the timing's perfectbecause AI is growing and it's going
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to be very hard for humans todetermine, is it live or is it Memorex?
That used to be one of thephrases many decades ago.
Is this a person or is it AI?
You know?
Yeah.
I actually sent a picture tomy daughter about this jello cake
that I made last night, andshe asked me, is that AI or did you
actually make that?
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I'm like, what?
Yeah.
What's fascinating, too, is Ifeel like, especially because I worked
in computer science andartificial intelligence, like, as
a layman, and so I saw, like,front seat, front row, what was coming
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and understood what.
The folks that were creatingsome of this tech, what they really
wanted, what they envisionedin the world.
Right.
These are tools.
I am not scared of artificialintelligence because they will never
be human.
Right.
I think what happens is I'mscared of humans with artificial
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intelligence.
Yes.
The intent behind it.
Yep, exactly.
Because learning how toutilize it to make your life more
efficient, more, especiallyfor work, so you can spend more time
with real people.
I'm all for that.
If you can use it in a waythat actually helps to move things
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forward, I'm all for that.
I just know, like any otherinvention in human history, there's
a back end, there's a backsideto that.
And technology, we forget,it's all code.
And there was a person whowrote that code.
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And depending on that person'sethos, you can get into some serious
issues.
And there are tons of folkswho are beating.
Beating that drum who are alot more smarter.
They're smarter than I am inthat field.
Because they're engineers.
They're folks that are in the field.
And seeing that there isn't alot of checks being made for.
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Is this thing potentiallyharmful to a particular group of
people?
Is this thing harmful for some?
You know, could be.
Could it be used by a dictatorsomewhere to do some seriously harmful
things in the future?
You know, like, we are notthinking about those things as it
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relates to tech in a macrolevel yet, but we need to.
There's no doubt.
Yeah, we absolutely need to.
So I. I think that's where myconcern comes.
It's not necessarily the tech itself.
I think it's fantastic.
All these.
This innovation and how fasttechnological transformation is happening
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is incredible.
But the checks and balances.
There is no checks and thereis no balance, or there are no checks
and there is no balance.
So, yeah, that makes me nervous.
Me too.
And technology, the way it'sevolved, it really is amazing.
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And it's exciting.
And of course, I've alwaysbeen kind of a techno freak, but
there are things that have tobe looked at, no doubt about it.
And human beings need to be in control.
You know, this needs to servehumans, not dominate them.
And certainly not having someone person who's the programmer who
has nefarious intent, that's avery bad thing.
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So your message, Carolee, withwhat you're doing and the book you're
gonna be writing, it's very appropriate.
You're trying to bring thehumanity back and give people their
power, perseverance and pivoting.
You have some greatphilosophies here.
Thank you.
It has been an incrediblychallenging couple of decades.
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Oh, yeah.
It's been different, that'sfor sure.
Yeah.
I think that in retrospect andin looking at it, I can put it into
a different perspective andlight now.
But when I was going throughit in the middle of it, I don't think
I had this kind ofphilosophical, like, oh, my.
(37:33):
Yeah, this is all for my good.
This is all good.
Like, no, I was not.
When you're living it, it'scompletely different.
I was homeless for seven days,and I didn't call it a pivot.
But now that you mention it, Iguess it was.
Yeah.
I stood there and I just.
I made a decision.
I knew I didn't.
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I didn't have a life plan.
I didn't have a goal.
All I knew was that my purposein life was a lot bigger than what
I was living.
And I did not.
My destiny.
That's all I knew.
My destiny did not involvelooking at the face of Toothless
Joe that was standing besideme telling me, oh, yeah, this is
great.
So.
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And it's funny that you saythat, because I literally pivoted
because I went from looking atthis Toothless Joe dude to turning
around and walking straight tothe hospital to get the help that
I needed.
And now that you mention it,it was a pivot.
The most transformationalmoment of my life was came down to
that one pivot in my footstep, right.
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Which direction I was taking.
Either I take a step towardsToothless Joe.
Or I turn the heck away and Iturn around and I go the opposite
direction, which I did.
Thank God.
So thank you.
No, that's incredible.
I think if we as human beings,I often hear, because I. I work with
a lot of women, actually, allof my clients right now are women,
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and most of them are women of color.
But I hear a lot, like, Idon't know what I. I don't.
I don't know that I haveanything to say on a podcast for
45 minutes.
Like, I don't know if I ha.
And I'm like, what?
Okay.
And so I asked the firstquestion, okay, describe to me your
experience in graduate school.
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And you're like, oh, my God,you would never.
And I'm like, that's a story.
Sure.
Yeah.
We all have these things inour lives that we've gone through
that we just don't.
We don't see it for what itis, every single one of us.
It doesn't matter if you werehomeless or you grew up in a family
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with two parents and big, youknow, big house, white picket fence,
but behind closed doors, yourmom was alcoholic or your dad was
abusive, or they loved you,but they just didn't pay any attention
to you.
That's still having to be resilient.
You had to learn how to loveyourself and develop self.
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Love that just wasn't given bya parent.
Yes, you had all thetrappings, but that's still resiliency,
I think a lot of times.
Again, social media and justlike life, human beings in nature,
we like to compare ourselvesto other people.
And so we all.
We often do.
You know what I callespecially being a black woman?
The Oppression Olympics.
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It's like, well, you know, youhurt and I'm hurt.
Why does it matter?
And why are we, like, tryingto compare hurt right now?
That's not really so, like,trying to compare yourself to.
To someone else.
And while their life seemed alittle bit hard or a lot harder than
mine, I don't have a reason to complain.
No, you had things thathappened in your life that you had
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to overcome.
And no, it didn't look likethat other person.
But do not discount yourexperiences at all.
I think all of our stories are amazing.
I honestly thought I was a hotmess for a very long time.
I was like, what is wrong with you?
I'm jumping from job to joball the.
And when I look back at it,it's just like, I wasn't happy and
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I have a personality.
Was like, if I'm not fully,fully fulfilled I don't.
I'm not gonna sit in that andspend 20 years in an unhappy and
uncomfortable situation.
I.
That's how I'm built.
Right.
Um, that's not everyone's story.
And that's okay.
Like, you are still pivotingand finding your way through your
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story.
Nobody's story is less important.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
So people are pivoting to purpose.
And I love that phrase.
It's true.
You're finding your purpose.
I think that's kind of what wedo from day one when we start crawling
around on the floor.
As a toddler, we're trying tofind our purpose first.
We have to find a way to get there.
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And then you talk about perseverance.
There's nothing moredetermined, like, than a toddler
crawling around.
It's like, I'm going to getthere, I'm going to walk.
Being able to still know howto grab that.
I think life takes it awayfrom us sometimes.
Or we.
We get lost.
Yeah, it's.
My pastor calls it thecomparison trap because, like, you're
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a baby.
I don't.
Babies aren't walking aroundlooking like, okay, well, he's walking
a little straighter than I am.
Right.
It's just like, just happy tobe here.
Like, good.
I can walk from here to there.
Awesome.
I'm excited they're notlooking around.
And we, We've just beensocialized to.
To do that instead of runningour own race.
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I'm definitely, like I said,it was out of necessity building
that muscle.
Right.
And being so hyper focused onlike, okay, what do you need to do?
It also helps when youliterally are by yourself in a completely
new place and you have todepend on you.
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So looking around at otherpeople is not going to help you actually,
like, pay rent, buy food.
Comparison at that point is pointless.
But, yeah, it's.
It is for me.
My, my goal to have peopleromanticize their life in the sense
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that you are the hero in yourown life and you have overcome so
many things that again, mightnot look like someone else's or it
might not be fit for a quoteunquote Hollywood movie, or so you
think.
But it is still very much your story.
And I enjoy.
And that's what I startedwith, and that's what I'll end with.
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I enjoy talking to and hearingabout other people's stories and
helping them kind of see thevalue in all those little nuances
that we tend to throw away.
Like you, Kathy, beinghomeless for that point and not even
realizing, like, that's a humongous.
Pivot.
Like your life could have beendrastically different had you made
(43:58):
a different decision.
Oh, yeah.
It's so many of those thingsin our lives that we kind of just
discount because we forget orwe just don't see them being the.
As big as they are.
And I come along like, wait aminute, let's pluck that up.
Like, let's go deeper on thatwhere people are able to kind of
just see that.
It's my life passion and Ilove doing it.
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Through the work I'm doingnow, but also coaching and hopefully
in the future as a author, etcetera, you're bringing.
Out people's possibilities and purpose.
Sometimes that's all it takesis a whole new perspective.
Because I think people getkind of stuck, don't they?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
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You're stuck in the same,like, story that you've told yourself
and been there.
I feel like I am just startingto scratch the surface of my full
potential.
And a large part of that isbecause I had been holding myself
back back for fear of beingfound out.
(45:06):
The imposter syndrome.
Yeah.
And the irony is I, because ofthat self, that story that I was
telling myself, I worked 10times, 20 times, 30 times harder
and was incredibly like thebiggest overachiever ever known,
(45:27):
man.
Right in my childhood,college, you know, early 20s.
And I crashed and burned onthat because there was no fulfillment
at the end of it because Istill felt like I wasn't enough.
And going from all of theseplaces all the, all the time, it
things didn't start to clickand I didn't start to really see
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all the things that I had accomplished.
Not just like the accoladesand the awards, but like things that
I had overcome until I pausedand said, hey, you don't have to
try to be anything you are.
You are.
There is no more striving to be.
You are.
And that is the thing that Ibelieve is a difference maker in
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any, any human life is when westop trying to strive to be what
we think we need to be andjust be.
That's powerful.
It sounds super simple, butit's one of the hardest things to
do because of all themessaging that we get thrown our
way and what we have been.
You know, the older you are,the harder it is to get there because
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you've been programmed to notsee yourself as enough, especially
as women, you know what I mean?
Clothes, weight, all like, youname all the things until you realize,
like, man, you know, I cameinto this world butt naked with this
nose, with this skin, withthese feet, like this is how I was
(47:02):
made.
There must be a reason I am.
Okay, exactly how I am.
I love it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And social media definitelydoes not tell us that.
You know, it's like, why wouldspace aliens want to even come visit
the Earth?
Because especially the females.
They're just so imperfect andthey must smell bad because they
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have to use antiperspirant andthis and that.
It's like, ew, what's going on here?
You know, we're being told allthese things we have to do to be
perfect, and there's no suchthing as perfect.
Anyway.
So, Caralee, where do peoplefind you?
You've got a podcast.
I know ladies are going towant to listen to that.
Absolutely.
We have two seasons of the BeMore Mindful podcast.
(47:44):
So especially if you're anentrepreneur, but even if you are
not, that podcast isspecifically about the being of the
entrepreneurship journey andnot the doing.
So we don't necessarily talkabout marketing strategies and branding
and all the things.
We literally are helpingpeople through the journey of being
(48:05):
a business leader and abusiness owner.
So for that's.
That's that one.
But carolimore.com is whereyou'll find all of my stuff.
If you are interested at allin podcast guesting as a strategy
at all, there is a guide.
It's a free guide.
You can grab that.
(48:26):
But beyond that, please be onthe lookout for the book that is
coming out.
We have a podcast pitchingsociety, Facebook group.
And so pretty much, if youstart@carolimore.com, all the things
are there and you'll be ableto find everything else from that.
Excellent.
And we carry your podcast, BeMore Mindful on Women Road Warriors.
(48:49):
That's on our network page,our power network page.
So there are a lot of optionspeople can listen to you and Carolee
Moore.
That's spelled C A R R O L E EM O O R E. Correct.
Yes.
Excellent.
So businesses can reach out.
Do you also answer questions?
Just ladies maybe wanting toreach out and say, hey, well, what
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are your thoughts on this?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You can follow me at.
You know, this is the problem.
I got married like a almost ayear ago, and I'm changing things
over on social media.
I'm pretty sure it's still atCarolee Moore.
LinkedIn, Facebook.
I'm not on Instagram thatmuch, but you can find me and I am
very open to real conversations.
I'll hop on a zoom in a secondto see you and chat.
(49:35):
So if you're interested ineven talking about resiliency as,
like, how do you build that?
More than happy to continuethat conversation.
That's so important.
People really need resiliency today.
Yes, they do.
Especially more and more astime goes by.
Oh, yeah.
I think especially after thepandemic, people really started thinking
(49:56):
about it, you know?
Yeah.
Life got different.
Oh, life was crazy.
It's like, what the heck isgoing on here?
And it's not something anyonehad dealt with in the 20th or the
21st century.
Well, maybe the early part ofthe 20th century, but yeah, not in
the 21st.
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For sure.
Yeah, for sure.
So thank you for what you'redoing, Carolee.
You're a breath of fresh air.
Thank you so much for havingme, ladies.
Yes.
Thank you.
This has been a greatinterview and you've got a great
message.
Keep it up.
And we can't wait to see yourbook and maybe bring you back and
we could talk about your book.
That would be fantastic.
I'm going to hold you to that.
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Sounds good.
Absolutely.
Good.
Yeah.
Thank you, Carolee.
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Have you ever had a dream thatjust seems so distant it can't possibly
be real or attainable?
Many women, including businessowners, often face this.
It takes resilience,determination, a belief in yourself
and flexibility to achievewhat you really want.
Carolee Drummonds knows thisall too well.
She helps people make theirdreams and goals tangible and attainable.
(01:06):
She talks about things likepivoting to purpose and perseverance.
She's the host of the Be MoreMindful podcast where she helps new
and aspiring entrepreneursshift their mindset to grow and market
their businesses.
Caralee is an award winningspeaker, writer and content marketing
consultant with over 15 yearsof experience as principal consultant
(01:26):
at CMCG.
She helps experts andconsultants become magnets to their
ideal clients, using the powerof other people's podcasts or opp.
Beyond her work as a marketer,she's an active volunteer in her
community, serving on severalnonprofit boards and founding the
Caremore Initiative, an annualaward given to a nonprofit that provides
them with creative andfundraising services.
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The initiative has providedover $60,000 in services since 2022.
Caralee is the GPS people andbusinesses need to succeed.
That's why we decided tofeature her on our show.
Welcome, Caralee.
Thank you for being with us today.
Thank you so much, Shelly, forthat fantastic introduction and I'm
super excited to be here.
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Oh, you're very welcome.
And it's so deserved.
You've done a lot of stuff.
No kidding.
That's impressive.
Like, holy smokes.
Yeah, the pivot part.
Yeah.
Oh, gosh.
There's so much pivotingpeople have to do today.
And you know, you inspire somany ladies.
Kiralee, we were so excitedwhen you reached out to us to be
on our show.
(02:29):
I wanted to give our listenersa chance to get to know you first.
What's your background and howdid you get started in this inspirational
journey?
Oh, my goodness.
So first and foremost, I thinkI'd be remiss if I didn't say that
I was actually born on thesunny island of Jamaica.
And I do think Being bornthere, raised there Until I was 10
(02:53):
years old, it impacted metremendously, from my love of storytelling
to my love of people and thisidea that anything is possible because
I'm from this tiny littleisland in the mountains where we
herded goats and sheeps andcows and all the things and got dropped
(03:17):
in the middle of the.
Of one of the biggest citiesin the US In Boston, Massachusetts,
and had to figure it out.
Wow, that's.
That's a huge change.
It was huge.
So that was probably the firstpivot, for sure.
But, yeah, I fell in love withstorytelling because it really was
a way for me.
It was a window for me tolearn this culture.
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I went from, obviously, onevery particular type of culture into
a whole new world.
And for me, it was movies,books, anything, music, anything.
That kind of got me tounderstand Americans a bit more.
And of course, you're, youknow, 10, 11, with a funny accent,
(04:00):
you get teased, so you'retrying to become more American, so
you lessen the teasing a bit.
But through that, I just.
I fell in love with all things media.
And so that's what I, youknow, went to college for.
Well, I was an English majorfor two seconds.
Switched out of that.
I'm telling you, pivot.
(04:21):
Literally.
Like, I've been pivoting formy whole life.
So storytelling for me, afterI finished my undergraduate degree,
it was really what I wanted to do.
I wanted to go into publicrelations, specifically in the music
industry.
But I graduated in the middleof a little thing called the recession.
(04:44):
Yeah, so not the recent one.
That was kind of sort of a recession.
Like.
No, like the real, like, bigone where everyone freaked out and
there were no jobs and all the things.
So I ended up pivoting againfrom what I thought I was going to
do into healthcare, thecomplete opposite.
If there could be anythingthat was the opposite of the glitz
(05:06):
and glamour of entertainment,healthcare and project management
would be that.
And so I. I worked in projectmanagement for different types of
companies for a while andtransitioned from project management
into corporate relations anddoing a lot of that work for higher
(05:27):
education institutions morerecently, or the last one I did that
for was at MassachusettsInstitute of Technology, mit.
And all the while working anddoing those things, I was on the
side building out a thrivinggraphic design and marketing side
(05:48):
hustle, if you will.
So from like, 28,008 untilmost recently, I was a graphic designer.
But folks didn't know that inmy day job until they did.
And then that kind of shiftedwhat my jobs became because they
(06:08):
wanted to of course, takeadvantage of someone who could do
all the things.
I could write, I could dographite design, I could do some
web design, I can do all thesedifferent things.
And so my last job incorporate was being over partnerships
and so connecting peopleagain, storytelling, helping corporations
(06:29):
tell better stories thatactually impacted the communities
that we lived in and the worldat large in the way that they wanted
to.
And so once I transitioned outof that world, I pretty much decided
I didn't want to go back.
And in the middle of thatdecision was the pandemic.
(06:54):
So I got let go two weeksbefore the pandemic actually happened,
like, became like worldwide.
And then I decided three,three months after that that I wanted
to move from Massachusetts toTexas, a state that I had only been
to once.
I wanted to move to a specifictown that I had never been to, had
(07:16):
no friends, no family, nonothing, and came here and realized,
okay, maybe I should find a job.
Looked for a few, couldn'tfind it, was still doing things on
the side, and then decidedafter some time being here that I
wanted to take thisopportunity to bet on myself and
(07:37):
build a business on my own.
Keep in mind that I knew noone had no connection whatsoever
in this new place.
And so, you know, theglamorous life of sleeping on an
air mattress with an emptyapartment that echoed because there
was literally no furniture,know what that's like, right?
(08:01):
And with a dream of likefiguring this thing out and building
it up.
And after two years, I'll,I'll spare all the gory details.
After two years of just likewhite knuckling it, I, I built a
multi six figure business.
Wow.
Oh, there's a pivot coming again.
And I was living my quoteunquote dream.
(08:25):
I was this graphic designerthat now was leading this creative
agency with these phenomenallytalented people working with small
businesses.
But I was not eating well, Iwas not exercising.
I was incredibly stressed out.
I started having heartpalpitations and chest pains.
(08:48):
I found out that I was prediabetic and I am 130 pounds soaking
wet.
So those two things don'ttypically come together.
Right.
And so I decided in the middleof last year that I was going to
shut that entire operation down.
(09:11):
It was the hardest decisionthat I ever had to make in my life
because I had to let go of myentire team, save one.
And even now I'm gettingemotional about it, just saying that
and starting over again.
And so I am now in the middleof building a new business, the one
(09:35):
that you mentioned helping,you know, under underrepresented
subject matter experts withpodcast pitching and content, et
cetera.
I'm finally.
There's no pivoting coming,like, tomorrow, but given my life,
there more than likely will be.
But for now, I'm very, veryhappy, very, very content.
(09:57):
And I feel just like I'm inthe best place that I've been in
a few years.
Oh, and I forgot married theguy that I met at my first networking
event in Texas.
Oh, well.
So.
So it's kind of like aHollywood movie in many ways.
(10:17):
You know, I love it.
So you do know how to pivot.
A lot of people don't.
You know, human beings do liketheir security.
They like things the same.
But the fact that you kind ofhad to acclimate and get used to
pivoting, that kind of gaveyou an edge, didn't it, Carolee?
It absolutely did.
And I'll be honest, forwhoever it is, because there are
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definitely a lot of people whoare teaching or speaking on pivoting,
and they make it sound so sexyand, like, 10 ways to, like, listen.
It's painful.
It is not fun.
And you don't become an expertat this thing.
You just learn to deal.
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Yep.
And make the best out of all situations.
You become a forced optimist.
Because that's not my naturalgo to, like, everything is going
to be okay.
No, that's not how I'm like, naturally.
But I've had to become that inorder to survive, so.
For sure.
So is optimism something thatis one of the key elements for not
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only business, but people ingeneral when they're trying to accomplish
something?
I mean, it's hard to beoptimistic, especially when you hear,
well, if you watch the news,it's like, if it bleeds, it leads.
Danger, danger, danger.
You know?
No, that I think for me, whenI mentioned in my email to you guys,
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that I believe that resiliencycan be taught.
I do also believe thatoptimism can be taught.
I. I think that belief in itself.
Right.
Because it does.
You don't necessarily have tobe optimist.
You don't have to beoptimistic to believe, if that makes
sense.
You don't have to, like, thinkthings are rainbows and butterflies
(12:14):
to believe in it.
Right.
I.
Entrepreneurship is messy.
Yes.
It can be.
Building out something fromscratch is messy.
I. I see it as almost like agricultural.
Like, you go and you're in the dirt.
It is not pretty to.
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To plant things and to tillthe soil and to get things ready.
You're getting your hands dirty.
You're literally, you know,knee deep in dirt and you're giving
it all you've got to plantthis thing and to water it and to
be back out there.
It takes all this work.
But then you start to see thelittle thing that pops out of the
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soil and you're like, wow,okay, something happened.
Something is working, right?
And it is up to you.
And this is the part, thebelief part, right?
And it's up to you to decidewhat those little pops are, right?
Some people need a huge thingto happen for them to believe.
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I think resiliency is beingable to find those pops in the most
obscure and sometimes hard tosee places.
Meaning you can have a weekwhere your lights are shut off or
your car gets rebowed orwhatever the case is like really
(13:43):
bad things, right?
Resiliency is saying, well, atleast I have my two legs.
Do I need to go somewhere thatI probably would have to drive before?
How, how else can I figurethis out?
What else can I do to get tothat same place, right?
What else can I do to makemore money so that I can buy another
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car or do the things right?
It is not being optimistic tothe point of like not seeing the
reality, but it's choosing tofocus on and seeing those little
pops that come into your life,the little light that comes in the
middle of the darkness.
And it's hard.
It is not easy, but it can be taught.
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You can do that.
Stay tuned for more of WomenRoad warriors coming up.
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Welcome back to Women Roadwarriors with Shelly Johnson and
Kathy Tak.
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Have you ever had a dream thatfelt so far out of reach that it
almost seemed impossible?
You're not alone.
So many women, especiallyentrepreneurs, wrestle with that
feeling.
But here's the truth.
With resilience, flexibility,and a whole lot of belief in yourself,
those dreams can become reality.
Our guest knows that firsthand.
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Caralee Drummonds is apowerhouse when it comes to helping
people turn big goals intoreal, actionable wins.
She's all about pivoting topurpose and pressing forward with
perseverance.
Caralee is the host of the BeMore Mindful podcast where she helps
new and aspiring entrepreneursshift their mindset, grow their brands
and market their businesseslike pros.
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She's an award winningspeaker, writer, and the brains behind
CMCG where she teaches expertshow to attract their dream clients
using the power of otherpeople's podcasts.
And when she's not helpingpeople shine in business, she's out
in the community making adifference between through her care
More initiative.
Carolee, you really open up alot of horizons for people and businesses
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with your strategies.
So it's a matter of being ableto look at the possibilities through
the fog, right?
Yeah, for sure.
And some people are stuck in.
There are some people who arejust plain negative, negative Nellies
I like to call them.
It's like, oh dear God, I know.
A few of those at work.
Oh, and when you talk to them,you feel like you've been in a thunderstorm.
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It's like totally drenched.
It's like, where's my umbrella?
How do people live like that?
And you wonder how they evolve.
And it's easy to get suckedinto that if you're around people
who do that.
That is a fact.
And I, I realized too, I'vegotten a, I have had a lot of loss
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that I thought were loss,losses that ended up actually being
for my benefit.
And some of those losses wererelationships with people.
And what I've recognized isthis journey, this tilling of the
soil journey, right?
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You need people who are eithergoing to get down in the, you know,
the muck and whatever with youto be like, oh, you got it.
I believe in you.
I'm going to come and I'mgoing to help you, or someone who's
going to come and give you ashovel or, you know, hey, here you
go.
To make your work easier, dothe thing or they'll come and literally
just give you seats.
I needed to find my village.
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People who were not only gonnabelieve in me and what I was building,
but maybe they're buildingtheir own stuff, right?
And so they have a certainlevel of belief, they have a certain
level of optimism, doggedoptimism when things don't necessarily
look the best.
And I, I, I was hurt when Ilost those friendships.
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But what I recognize is whenyou are in the middle of those challenges,
you really do need, like yousaid, community of people who are
not going to just be thunderand rain on all of your dreams.
You need people that are goingto be, be there with you.
And that has been, I think2024 was that year for me in finding
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new communities and findingpeople who were on their own journeys.
And it's been life changing,not just for my business, but for
me as a person to not feel so alone.
Where do people find their village?
Sometimes it's superdifficult, especially if you run
into people who are naysayers.
And there are a lot of people.
Out there like that.
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They can say, oh, that's nevergoing to work.
And a lot of it may be becausethey're jealous, because they'd like
to be doing that, or they,they don't really want you to succeed,
to find somebody who'sgenuine, who's really going to work
with you and be your champion.
It's been in a bunch ofdifferent places.
I, I started my business andgrew it from going outdoors.
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Texas was never really closeddown in the pandemic.
They apparently didn't believein Covid, but we were outside.
And so I met a ton of otherbusiness owners at the time, and
a lot of them were also new entrepreneurs.
And so there was a naturalbond of like, oh, what are you trying
to, what are you doing tobuild your business?
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What are you doing to try andkind of make things happen?
And so that was my naturalinstinct because the Internet is
not really, I don't know, it'snot my favorite place to be and so
that's not where I went tofind community first.
However, in 2024 I paid into amastermind was my first paid anything
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as relates to groups.
But that has been another gamechanger because I, because you're
paying for something, it's notjust like a free thing that anybody
kind of goes to.
You're paying for it and youknow everyone else is there paying
for it.
You're taking your, thebuilding of your business seriously
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and so you're finding otherpeople who are doing the exact same
thing.
They're taking the building oftheir businesses seriously and so
you're able to connect in areal way.
So I would say for anyonewho's looking for community, if you're
not wanting to pay to haveaccess to folks that are kind of
going through the same thingyou're going through, think about
the things that really lightyou up, think about the things that
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you enjoy and try to findthose spaces, whether that is going
on eventbrite and looking forthose things.
There are plenty of groups onLinkedIn and on Facebook that start
online but build in person,which is always my go to of like
taking the group chat off theInternet and bringing it, bringing
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it into real life.
So I, I would say kind of oneof the biggest things is finding
what actually lights you upand finding other people who find
the same joy in the samethings because then that's easier
to build your community andthat's also you'll probably be more
likely to find people whoenjoy and are not going to be super
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negative about the thing thatyou enjoy.
Sure.
You know, it's magical whenyou can find people that are like
minded who have information.
I mean there's so much to learn.
Social media brings all ofthat to us and not everybody spends
their time doing that.
But when you think about it,the wealth of knowledge that we have
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available and networking withpeople who are so inspirational,
it's powerful.
I agree.
I agree.
And I, when I, when I shiftedmy mind.
So I am in this weird sandwichgeneration and I'm not using that
term in the typical way thatit's used now.
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Sandwich generation,technologically is what I'm specifically
referring to, meaning mygeneration, like the elder millennials
as we like to call ourselves,we, we knew life without social media.
We knew connecting in reallife, in the real world without social
media.
We also grew to understand howto build community online because
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Facebook and MySpace and allthat came into being when we were
in college.
And like all the things So I,as much as I don't enjoy social media
overwhelm, like right now, itjust, it's.
It's a lot.
We spend a lot of time online,specifically on social media.
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And I, I miss those days whenthere was a little bit more balance.
Right.
And so for me, that's how Itry to live my life.
I have groups that, I have anaccountability group with women that
are not.
None of them live in my area.
They're all mostly on the east coast.
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And, you know, we're startinga book club with women again that
are going to be some herelocally and others that are elsewhere
on Zoom.
I have my small group, mychurch that's local.
You just, you have to find a balance.
And I'm always, wheneversomeone asks me that question, I'm
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always going to go back to,like, touch people.
Like, go outside.
Yeah.
Because online is fantastic.
It's fantastic to learn.
But we are social human beingsand we can't forget that.
And I think we are.
I think you have an advantagebecause you had a combination, you
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know, how to relate to peoplein real life, you know, rather than
behind a device.
I still don't understandpeople sitting at a restaurant and
they're visiting, but they're not.
They're eating their meal andthey're looking at their device,
so they're not interacting.
Or maybe they're even textingthe person across from them.
That makes no sense to me.
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It's like, really?
How about we just puteverybody's phones away?
We're losing something here, people.
We are.
My mom and I yesterday wentout for a walk and we decided to
stop in for a cup of coffee atthis cafe that I've never been to.
Just.
Or we went for a mocha halfhot chocolate and have coffee and
there's about, I don't know,maybe eight or ten tables in this
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little cafe.
And my mom and I honestly werethe only ones that did not have their
phones that were not looking,that were.
That were actually engaging ina conversation and laughing.
Everyone.
It was like, quiet.
And they're like, you justsaid Shelly.
They're all so focused ontheir phones that they're forgetting
who's sitting in front of them.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's really.
I don't know.
And maybe I'm.
Maybe I'm just a weird, like.
Because I know people my agewho are obsessed social media and
they live their whole livesand they put their whole lives on
social media.
And I just, I'm.
I'm so, so passionate aboutgetting people And I do think there's
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a movement kind of anti, thewhole kind of social media bubble.
Right.
I actually created my ownconcept called antisocial content
marketing.
That's actually why I gotobsessed with podcasts because I
feel like as much as itobviously is not in person, mostly
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it's not so bite sized andlike 30 second real whatever.
You're genuinely like this,having real conversations with real
people and I, I miss that.
Right.
It's just for whatever reason,we've allowed technology that's supposed
to be connecting us more topull us completely apart.
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And you're seeing the impactof it throughout society.
It's isolating and dividing,which is interesting.
And with all of the socialmedia that's out there, it's in bite
sized content.
People are now having theattention span of a gnat.
Yeah.
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Isn't that the truth?
So accurate.
You know, it's funny, I, I'min the process of, and I really,
I'm gonna send you guys one ofthe first copies.
I'm in the middle of writing a book.
Oh, excellent.
And, and the, the macro partof the book.
Cause it's not, it's gonna beabout podcast guesting.
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But I, I, it wouldn't be aCarolee book if it didn't have larger
implication of like okay, society.
My comments on society.
And yes, it's going to beabout podcasting.
But here's the thing.
When we think about how werelate to people, how we connect
to people, how as a businesswe used to connect to our audience.
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Right before we, it wasn'thard for us to think about a face
of a customer.
There are people who aremarketing their business who, if
you ask them like, who are youmarketing to?
They'll rattle off whatever.
But it's not like a real person.
Right.
We've lost this connectionboth as society, but even when it
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comes to how we do business,it's not people centered in like
a real way anymore.
And a lot of times you see onthe Internet, it's kind of the fake
it till you make it.
It's not real.
There's a lot of like phonybaloney stuff happening and we have
to address that in a real way.
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And I, I'm passionate aboutgiving women the platforms to do
that more.
Which is why I was likeobsessed with your concept and wanted
to be on your podcast becauseI think we're twin flames in that
way.
Like I, I just want to do that more.
So that book is going to be acomment on society.
Like, hey, social media issupposed to be bringing us together
(29:55):
and making us more connected,but it's actually doing the complete
opposite of that.
And there is a movement tocombat that entire thing because
it's not sustainable.
Excellent.
Where's this movement?
We need more of it.
If I have to be the loudestone, I'm okay with that.
There you go.
So that is, that is coming,but that's the concept of the book
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is really connecting expertiseto folks who need it.
So folks who want to actuallymake the world a better place and
create a real impact, it'sgoing to be a playbook to do that
in a world where we areincreasingly more separated, divided
and.
Yeah, excellent.
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Stay tuned for more of WomenRoad warriors coming up.
Dean Michael, the tax doctor here.
I have one question for you.
Do you want to stop worryingabout the irs?
If the answer is yes, thenlook no further.
I've been around for years.
I've helped countless peopleacross the country and my success
rate speaks for itself.
(31:04):
So now you know where to findgood, honest help with your tax problems.
What are you waiting for?
If you owe more than $10,000to the IRS or haven't filed in years,
call me now at 888-557-4020 orgo to mytaxhelpmd.com for a free
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Industry Movement TruckingMoves America Forward is telling
(31:24):
the story of the industry.
Our safety champions, thewomen of trucking, independent contractors,
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the best of our industry.
Share your story and what youlove about trucking.
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(31:51):
Welcome back to Women Roadwarriors with Shelly Johnson and
Kathy Park.
So many women, especiallyentrepreneurs, wrestle with chasing
a dream that feels just out of reach.
But here's the truth.
With resilience, flexibility,and a strong belief in yourself,
(32:11):
those dreams can absolutelybecome reality.
Our guest today knows thatbetter than anyone else.
Carolee Drummonds is a trueforce, a woman on a mission to help
people turn bold goals andinto real, measurable wins.
She's all about pivoting topurpose and powering forward with
perseverance.
Caralee is the host of the BeMore Mindful podcast where she supports
(32:33):
new and aspiring entrepreneursin shifting their mindset, building
their brand and marketing likeseasoned pros.
One of her signatureingredients, untiring optimism, the
fuel behind real success.
Caralee's an award winningspeaker, writer and founder of cmcj,
where she teaches experts howto grow their audience by tapping
(32:54):
into the power of otherpeople's podcasts.
And when she's not in businessmode, she's giving back through her
Care More initiative.
Caralee, in our previoussegment, you were talking about a
book that you're in theprocess of writing, which is talking
about how disconnected we areand how we need to reconnect with
our humanity.
I think the timing's perfectbecause AI is growing and it's going
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to be very hard for humans todetermine, is it live or is it Memorex?
That used to be one of thephrases many decades ago.
Is this a person or is it AI?
You know?
Yeah.
I actually sent a picture tomy daughter about this jello cake
that I made last night, andshe asked me, is that AI or did you
actually make that?
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I'm like, what?
Yeah.
What's fascinating, too, is Ifeel like, especially because I worked
in computer science andartificial intelligence, like, as
a layman, and so I saw, like,front seat, front row, what was coming
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and understood what.
The folks that were creatingsome of this tech, what they really
wanted, what they envisionedin the world.
Right.
These are tools.
I am not scared of artificialintelligence because they will never
be human.
Right.
I think what happens is I'mscared of humans with artificial
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intelligence.
Yes.
The intent behind it.
Yep, exactly.
Because learning how toutilize it to make your life more
efficient, more, especiallyfor work, so you can spend more time
with real people.
I'm all for that.
If you can use it in a waythat actually helps to move things
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forward, I'm all for that.
I just know, like any otherinvention in human history, there's
a back end, there's a backsideto that.
And technology, we forget,it's all code.
And there was a person whowrote that code.
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And depending on that person'sethos, you can get into some serious
issues.
And there are tons of folkswho are beating.
Beating that drum who are alot more smarter.
They're smarter than I am inthat field.
Because they're engineers.
They're folks that are in the field.
And seeing that there isn't alot of checks being made for.
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Is this thing potentiallyharmful to a particular group of
people?
Is this thing harmful for some?
You know, could be.
Could it be used by a dictatorsomewhere to do some seriously harmful
things in the future?
You know, like, we are notthinking about those things as it
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relates to tech in a macrolevel yet, but we need to.
There's no doubt.
Yeah, we absolutely need to.
So I. I think that's where myconcern comes.
It's not necessarily the tech itself.
I think it's fantastic.
All these.
This innovation and how fasttechnological transformation is happening
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is incredible.
But the checks and balances.
There is no checks and thereis no balance, or there are no checks
and there is no balance.
So, yeah, that makes me nervous.
Me too.
And technology, the way it'sevolved, it really is amazing.
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And it's exciting.
And of course, I've alwaysbeen kind of a techno freak, but
there are things that have tobe looked at, no doubt about it.
And human beings need to be in control.
You know, this needs to servehumans, not dominate them.
And certainly not having someone person who's the programmer who
has nefarious intent, that's avery bad thing.
(36:49):
So your message, Carolee, withwhat you're doing and the book you're
gonna be writing, it's very appropriate.
You're trying to bring thehumanity back and give people their
power, perseverance and pivoting.
You have some greatphilosophies here.
Thank you.
It has been an incrediblychallenging couple of decades.
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Oh, yeah.
It's been different, that'sfor sure.
Yeah.
I think that in retrospect andin looking at it, I can put it into
a different perspective andlight now.
But when I was going throughit in the middle of it, I don't think
I had this kind ofphilosophical, like, oh, my.
(37:33):
Yeah, this is all for my good.
This is all good.
Like, no, I was not.
When you're living it, it'scompletely different.
I was homeless for seven days,and I didn't call it a pivot.
But now that you mention it, Iguess it was.
Yeah.
I stood there and I just.
I made a decision.
I knew I didn't.
(37:53):
I didn't have a life plan.
I didn't have a goal.
All I knew was that my purposein life was a lot bigger than what
I was living.
And I did not.
My destiny.
That's all I knew.
My destiny did not involvelooking at the face of Toothless
Joe that was standing besideme telling me, oh, yeah, this is
great.
So.
(38:14):
And it's funny that you saythat, because I literally pivoted
because I went from looking atthis Toothless Joe dude to turning
around and walking straight tothe hospital to get the help that
I needed.
And now that you mention it,it was a pivot.
The most transformationalmoment of my life was came down to
that one pivot in my footstep, right.
(38:34):
Which direction I was taking.
Either I take a step towardsToothless Joe.
Or I turn the heck away and Iturn around and I go the opposite
direction, which I did.
Thank God.
So thank you.
No, that's incredible.
I think if we as human beings,I often hear, because I. I work with
a lot of women, actually, allof my clients right now are women,
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and most of them are women of color.
But I hear a lot, like, Idon't know what I. I don't.
I don't know that I haveanything to say on a podcast for
45 minutes.
Like, I don't know if I ha.
And I'm like, what?
Okay.
And so I asked the firstquestion, okay, describe to me your
experience in graduate school.
(39:16):
And you're like, oh, my God,you would never.
And I'm like, that's a story.
Sure.
Yeah.
We all have these things inour lives that we've gone through
that we just don't.
We don't see it for what itis, every single one of us.
It doesn't matter if you werehomeless or you grew up in a family
(39:38):
with two parents and big, youknow, big house, white picket fence,
but behind closed doors, yourmom was alcoholic or your dad was
abusive, or they loved you,but they just didn't pay any attention
to you.
That's still having to be resilient.
You had to learn how to loveyourself and develop self.
(40:02):
Love that just wasn't given bya parent.
Yes, you had all thetrappings, but that's still resiliency,
I think a lot of times.
Again, social media and justlike life, human beings in nature,
we like to compare ourselvesto other people.
And so we all.
We often do.
You know what I callespecially being a black woman?
The Oppression Olympics.
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It's like, well, you know, youhurt and I'm hurt.
Why does it matter?
And why are we, like, tryingto compare hurt right now?
That's not really so, like,trying to compare yourself to.
To someone else.
And while their life seemed alittle bit hard or a lot harder than
mine, I don't have a reason to complain.
No, you had things thathappened in your life that you had
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to overcome.
And no, it didn't look likethat other person.
But do not discount yourexperiences at all.
I think all of our stories are amazing.
I honestly thought I was a hotmess for a very long time.
I was like, what is wrong with you?
I'm jumping from job to joball the.
And when I look back at it,it's just like, I wasn't happy and
(41:05):
I have a personality.
Was like, if I'm not fully,fully fulfilled I don't.
I'm not gonna sit in that andspend 20 years in an unhappy and
uncomfortable situation.
I.
That's how I'm built.
Right.
Um, that's not everyone's story.
And that's okay.
Like, you are still pivotingand finding your way through your
(41:27):
story.
Nobody's story is less important.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
So people are pivoting to purpose.
And I love that phrase.
It's true.
You're finding your purpose.
I think that's kind of what wedo from day one when we start crawling
around on the floor.
As a toddler, we're trying tofind our purpose first.
We have to find a way to get there.
(41:48):
And then you talk about perseverance.
There's nothing moredetermined, like, than a toddler
crawling around.
It's like, I'm going to getthere, I'm going to walk.
Being able to still know howto grab that.
I think life takes it awayfrom us sometimes.
Or we.
We get lost.
Yeah, it's.
My pastor calls it thecomparison trap because, like, you're
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a baby.
I don't.
Babies aren't walking aroundlooking like, okay, well, he's walking
a little straighter than I am.
Right.
It's just like, just happy tobe here.
Like, good.
I can walk from here to there.
Awesome.
I'm excited they're notlooking around.
And we, We've just beensocialized to.
To do that instead of runningour own race.
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I'm definitely, like I said,it was out of necessity building
that muscle.
Right.
And being so hyper focused onlike, okay, what do you need to do?
It also helps when youliterally are by yourself in a completely
new place and you have todepend on you.
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So looking around at otherpeople is not going to help you actually,
like, pay rent, buy food.
Comparison at that point is pointless.
But, yeah, it's.
It is for me.
My, my goal to have peopleromanticize their life in the sense
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that you are the hero in yourown life and you have overcome so
many things that again, mightnot look like someone else's or it
might not be fit for a quoteunquote Hollywood movie, or so you
think.
But it is still very much your story.
And I enjoy.
And that's what I startedwith, and that's what I'll end with.
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I enjoy talking to and hearingabout other people's stories and
helping them kind of see thevalue in all those little nuances
that we tend to throw away.
Like you, Kathy, beinghomeless for that point and not even
realizing, like, that's a humongous.
Pivot.
Like your life could have beendrastically different had you made
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a different decision.
Oh, yeah.
It's so many of those thingsin our lives that we kind of just
discount because we forget orwe just don't see them being the.
As big as they are.
And I come along like, wait aminute, let's pluck that up.
Like, let's go deeper on thatwhere people are able to kind of
just see that.
It's my life passion and Ilove doing it.
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Through the work I'm doingnow, but also coaching and hopefully
in the future as a author, etcetera, you're bringing.
Out people's possibilities and purpose.
Sometimes that's all it takesis a whole new perspective.
Because I think people getkind of stuck, don't they?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
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You're stuck in the same,like, story that you've told yourself
and been there.
I feel like I am just startingto scratch the surface of my full
potential.
And a large part of that isbecause I had been holding myself
back back for fear of beingfound out.
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The imposter syndrome.
Yeah.
And the irony is I, because ofthat self, that story that I was
telling myself, I worked 10times, 20 times, 30 times harder
and was incredibly like thebiggest overachiever ever known,
(45:27):
man.
Right in my childhood,college, you know, early 20s.
And I crashed and burned onthat because there was no fulfillment
at the end of it because Istill felt like I wasn't enough.
And going from all of theseplaces all the, all the time, it
things didn't start to clickand I didn't start to really see
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all the things that I had accomplished.
Not just like the accoladesand the awards, but like things that
I had overcome until I pausedand said, hey, you don't have to
try to be anything you are.
You are.
There is no more striving to be.
You are.
And that is the thing that Ibelieve is a difference maker in
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any, any human life is when westop trying to strive to be what
we think we need to be andjust be.
That's powerful.
It sounds super simple, butit's one of the hardest things to
do because of all themessaging that we get thrown our
way and what we have been.
You know, the older you are,the harder it is to get there because
(46:38):
you've been programmed to notsee yourself as enough, especially
as women, you know what I mean?
Clothes, weight, all like, youname all the things until you realize,
like, man, you know, I cameinto this world butt naked with this
nose, with this skin, withthese feet, like this is how I was
(47:02):
made.
There must be a reason I am.
Okay, exactly how I am.
I love it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And social media definitelydoes not tell us that.
You know, it's like, why wouldspace aliens want to even come visit
the Earth?
Because especially the females.
They're just so imperfect andthey must smell bad because they
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have to use antiperspirant andthis and that.
It's like, ew, what's going on here?
You know, we're being told allthese things we have to do to be
perfect, and there's no suchthing as perfect.
Anyway.
So, Caralee, where do peoplefind you?
You've got a podcast.
I know ladies are going towant to listen to that.
Absolutely.
We have two seasons of the BeMore Mindful podcast.
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So especially if you're anentrepreneur, but even if you are
not, that podcast isspecifically about the being of the
entrepreneurship journey andnot the doing.
So we don't necessarily talkabout marketing strategies and branding
and all the things.
We literally are helpingpeople through the journey of being
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a business leader and abusiness owner.
So for that's.
That's that one.
But carolimore.com is whereyou'll find all of my stuff.
If you are interested at allin podcast guesting as a strategy
at all, there is a guide.
It's a free guide.
You can grab that.
(48:26):
But beyond that, please be onthe lookout for the book that is
coming out.
We have a podcast pitchingsociety, Facebook group.
And so pretty much, if youstart@carolimore.com, all the things
are there and you'll be ableto find everything else from that.
Excellent.
And we carry your podcast, BeMore Mindful on Women Road Warriors.
(48:49):
That's on our network page,our power network page.
So there are a lot of optionspeople can listen to you and Carolee
Moore.
That's spelled C A R R O L E EM O O R E. Correct.
Yes.
Excellent.
So businesses can reach out.
Do you also answer questions?
Just ladies maybe wanting toreach out and say, hey, well, what
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are your thoughts on this?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
You can follow me at.
You know, this is the problem.
I got married like a almost ayear ago, and I'm changing things
over on social media.
I'm pretty sure it's still atCarolee Moore.
LinkedIn, Facebook.
I'm not on Instagram thatmuch, but you can find me and I am
very open to real conversations.
I'll hop on a zoom in a secondto see you and chat.
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So if you're interested ineven talking about resiliency as,
like, how do you build that?
More than happy to continuethat conversation.
That's so important.
People really need resiliency today.
Yes, they do.
Especially more and more astime goes by.
Oh, yeah.
I think especially after thepandemic, people really started thinking
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about it, you know?
Yeah.
Life got different.
Oh, life was crazy.
It's like, what the heck isgoing on here?
And it's not something anyonehad dealt with in the 20th or the
21st century.
Well, maybe the early part ofthe 20th century, but yeah, not in
the 21st.
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For sure.
Yeah, for sure.
So thank you for what you'redoing, Carolee.
You're a breath of fresh air.
Thank you so much for havingme, ladies.
Yes.
Thank you.
This has been a greatinterview and you've got a great
message.
Keep it up.
And we can't wait to see yourbook and maybe bring you back and
we could talk about your book.
That would be fantastic.
I'm going to hold you to that.
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Sounds good.
Absolutely.
Good.
Yeah.
Thank you, Carolee.
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