May 13, 2025 • 53 mins
Do you ever get that spidey sense or feeling in the pit of your stomach that something just isn’t right? We all do, but many of us ignore it. This is our gut instinct. Instincts are a natural part of being human, but too many people don’t trust them or dismiss them. They are a guide that helps us make decisions. Ronnie Ann Ryan discusses the profound significance of gut instinct as an essential guide in navigating the decisions we encounter daily. This episode with Shelley Johnson and Kathy Tuccaro talks about trusting our intuition and harnessing its power. With a staggering number of approximately 35,000 decisions made each day, our gut instinct serves as a crucial compass in determining our path forward. As an esteemed intuitive guide, Ronnie shares her insights on how women can conquer uncertainty and embrace their inner voice through her Soul Wisdom Path. She helps clients conquer uncertainty and trust their gut with her Soul Wisdom Path. Her website is IntuitiveEdge.biz. She is the host of the popular podcast Breathe Love & Magic, ranked in the top 5% of podcasts globally. She is also a bestselling author of six books and has appeared on ABC, NBC, FOX, NPR, the BBC, Yahoo News, and MSN.com.
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I'm Shelley.
And I'm Kathy.
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Do you ever get that spideysense or feeling in the pit of your
stomach that something justisn't right?
We all do, but many of usignore it.
This has been referred to asour gut instinct.
Instincts are a natural partof being human.
But too many people don'ttrust them or dismiss them.
They're a guide that helps usmake decisions.
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Since Cornell University sayswe make at least 35,000 decisions
every day, we can use all thehelp we can get.
Our intuition is spot on inhelping with that.
Ronnie Ann Ryan is anintuitive guide who works with women
to rise to their next level.
She helps clients conqueruncertainty and trust their gut with
her soul wisdom path.
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Her website is intuitiveedge Biz.
She's the host of the popularpodcast Breathe Love and Magic.
It's ranked in the top 5% globally.
She's also a best sellingauthor of six books and has appeared
on ABC, NBC, Fox, NPR, theBBC, Yahoo News, and MSN dot com.
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Ronnie has been our guestbefore and we're excited to feature
her again to tap into herterrific insights.
Welcome back, Ronnie.
It's great to have you back onthe show.
Thank you, Shelly.
Kathy, I'm glad to be here.
Yeah.
Welcome back.
This is gonna be so much fun.
I love your insight and gut instinct.
Wow.
We all have it.
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Why do you think so manypeople don't trust their gut, Ronnie?
You know, I think people are afraid.
They don't want to tell anyone.
They don't want anybody tothink they're dumb to trust that
people think of it as hooeyand woo woo.
And they don't have practiceor support around them or other people
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who believe in that.
And so it just feels very iffy.
Yeah, I know I've beenseriously guilty of not trusting
my gut.
I've let my mind rule insteadof my gut and ended up wishing I
hadn't.
And that certainly came to thedecisions I made with men.
Yeah.
So.
Well, it's really good whetheryou're, you know, regardless of what
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you're using it for, it'simportant to listen.
And I remember when I was onmy fourth date with a guy who I really
liked, and we were sitting inthe park and he's telling me all
the things we could do thatsummer, you know, in future dates.
And loud and clear, I heard inmy head, which, this is unusual.
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Once in a while I get theseloud and clear messages, but I heard,
you are not special to him.
Now, you can't get any clearerthan that, can you?
No, you can't.
No.
But did I listen?
No, I did not.
Because I thought, oh, that'smy fear talking.
That can't be true.
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And of course it was true.
I never saw him again afterthat night.
But I had a chance to listen.
And I had enough of thoseexperiences where I finally thought,
you know what?
When I start hearing thatstuff, I'm just going to pay attention
now.
Mm.
I'm stubborn.
I guess I haven't always listened.
But when I think back, I'd hadthose instincts and I'd had those.
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The spidey sense.
I think some people, I don'tknow, maybe we need to define it.
What is gut instinct?
What is gut instinct?
And how did we stop using it?
Oh, well, isn't that a good question?
So our intuition is coded intothe DNA because you needed it for
survival.
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We all needed it for survivalback in the days when we were cavemen
and women.
And so that was all about survival.
You had to have good instinctto know, was there an animal lurking?
Was there a rival tribe lurking?
What kind of danger was happening?
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You needed it for survival.
But in addition, on the flipside of the, you know, idea that
something could be harmful, onthe flip side, there was when is
it best to plant crops?
Or where is the best place toharvest such and such, or where should
we make camp for the tribe orthat kind of thing.
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So it worked for both sets of objectives.
How to do something the bestand also how to stay safe.
And so, you know, here inmodern times, most of us live in
some kind of structure building.
And that has taken us awayfrom our, you know, innate instincts
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and intuitive abilitiesbecause we get very rational and
we just stick to what we knowand what we can touch and what we
can see and what seems real.
But originally the intuitionwas real, too, and that sixth sense
was vital.
Oh, yeah, animals use it,don't they?
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
They say horses are really intuitive.
So I know somebody who doesequine therapy, and she tells amazing
stories about how intuitivethe horses can be.
They know who they can trust,don't they?
Yes, for sure.
Of course, they also know.
Oh yeah, look at dogs, right.
When they.
Oh yeah, somebody bad, likegot bad vibes, comes around, they'll,
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they'll growl.
Yeah.
But if you're good, they'lljust come right up to you, so.
Right, yeah, that's actually.
I used to think that that wasa good way to judge a good guy dog.
Yeah, yeah, right.
The dog judge.
That's funny.
Not exactly though, becausesome men just know what to say to
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get into our hearts and our heads.
Yeah, yeah, very true.
So you think because we'vegotten too scientific, we've gotten
away from the gut instinct andour intuition because it can't be
measured or something.
Well, they're actually doingthings now to measure it.
And there's all kinds ofscience that's starting to show up
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about the truth of these othersenses that we have.
And there was a book by DeanRabbit, I think, called Real Magic,
and he did a ton ofexperiments or compiled results from
other people's experiments,talking about remote viewing and
using, you know, two footthick walls to make sure that nobody
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was cheating and all this kindof stuff.
And they're starting to proveit all over the place.
But a lot of times, you know,like the government has done tons
of research on this, but theydon't want you to actually know.
Oh, right.
You know, So I think a lot ofit is based on what's rational, what's
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logical, what makes the mostsense versus instinct.
It's gotten.
We'll call it poo pooed anddust it off and put in the corner.
Right.
Oh yeah, go over there.
Now, we're not going to listento you, but it really makes a difference
in my life.
It makes sense.
I think children have betterinstincts or they follow them.
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They can sense things thatadults ignore.
Absolutely.
Because they haven't been shutdown yet.
Oh, that's just your imagination.
You know, stop being silly,blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
Kids are still wide open andthey say it often changes around
the age of seven.
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But that would depend on thefamily, Right, sure.
What they're hearing.
Absolutely.
That makes total sense.
Yeah.
Kathy, you trust your instinctpretty well, don't you?
Oh, my goodness.
My instinct has saved me manya time.
Many, many, many.
But the strong one that'sreally, really remarkable is when
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I was doing that careerplanning workshop.
It was a three day course andat the end the lady, the facilitator,
had sent me to this programcalled Women Building Futures where
big companies sponsor women toget into the trades.
And I Think, I think it was aWednesday when I left that career
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planning workshop and I wasgoing to go the next day, the Thursday,
and it was so loud, it's likea voice scream, no, go Friday, go
Friday.
And it was so loud and it was so.
It took me aback.
I'm like, okay, okay, I'll go Friday.
Geez, calm down.
And I'm really glad I didbecause had I gone the Thursday,
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I'd have missed the goldenopportunity of a lifetime.
Because on the Friday morningis when imperial oil or ExxonMobil
were there for the first timeoffering a pilot project to.
For 16 women to take a 12 weekheavy equipment operator course.
I'd have missed the boat completely.
So I'm very glad I listened tothat because I went the Friday morning
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and it turns out I went earlyand I was the very first woman to
even get the offer.
And I didn't know what a haultruck was at the time.
I said all I saw was 10 dayson, 10 days off.
I said, I'll take it.
Yeah, you hit the lottery withthat decision there, Kathy.
Yeah, that's a good one.
That's a great story.
Oh yeah, I'm so grateful I listened.
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So, Rani, I see that you'vegot a list of how intuition shows
up.
Visual, audio, kinesthetic, knowing.
Could you go through some of that?
Because that might help peopleso that they know that they're actually.
It's their intuition and theyneed to listen or see it or something.
Okay, good, good one.
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So those are the Claires.
That's what people call them,the Claires.
So the first one would beclairvoyant, and that is seeing.
And that's people who, youknow, sometimes they see things with
their eyes open that aren'tnecessarily physical or they might
see things in their mind'seye, you know, in their brain.
It could be like a movie orsomething like that.
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So that's clairvoyant.
Then there's clairaudient,which is when you can hear.
And so you might hear like thestory I told or the story Kathy told
where, you know, she heard amessage loud and clear and so did
I.
And we made different choiceson whether to pay attention or not,
but that is all about hearing.
And, you know, I.
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It's hard to say exactly whatthe source of these, of the messages
is, you know, which we'll talkabout after.
So the next one is, let's see, clairsentient.
And that's feeling.
So that's more kinesthetic feeling.
And so you just get asensation in your body.
Maybe you get chills or theseprickly feelings, or you feel hot
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all of a sudden, or cold.
So that's clairsentient.
And then there's claircognizant.
And that's knowing when youjust know something.
Like, sometimes I just get abig block of information.
I'm like, whoa, where did thatcome from?
That would be Clair cognizant.
Or people talk aboutdownloads, you know, that's Clair
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cognizant.
Now, there are some others,and I'm not as familiar with their
name, but I can tell you whatthey're about.
There is a Claire that's aboutthe sense of smell.
And a lot of times mediumshave that one where they can smell
someone who has passed away,but they can smell their perfume
or a cigar or something like that.
And there's also a sense oftaste, which might also be.
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Mediums might also encounter that.
I had a sense of taste oncewhen I ate pomegranate for the first
time.
Like, I love juice, thepomegranate juice.
But the first time I had thoselittle seed pods or kernels or whatever
they are in my mouth, I justfreaked out.
And so I was like, what isthat about?
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And so that was about sense oftaste and stuff.
And, you know, it's a longstory what I think that was about,
so we could talk about thatlater, too.
And then there's also onethat's for psychometry.
And psychometry is when youhold an object and then you can read
the energy through holding itin your hand, you know, through the
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sense of touch.
I don't know what.
I can't remember what thatone's called either.
So there's at least eight.
And they might be more.
You know, they seem to come upwith more over time.
But those are the ones thatcome to mind right now.
That's really fascinating whenyou're talking about psychometry.
I remember there was somebodythat I knew that could get vibes
off of your jewelry, but ithad something that was actually given
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to you.
I remember handing a ring overthat I'd gotten in Ireland.
And the visions she got weresomething from the 1800s with little
kids running around and theirboys in their knickers and stuff.
I'm like, wow.
She said.
And she looked at me, shesaid, this wasn't given to you.
She said, I need somethingthat was given to you.
And then when she did, when Igave her a ring that was given to
me, she named my grandmother's name.
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It was just really amazing.
I Mean, I'm like, whoa.
This was information thatshe'd never had.
I love psychometry.
I've had a lot of fun and luckwith that, and I don't have that
requirement.
I can, like.
I took a class once, and thewoman just put out a bunch of objects.
Statue, a teapot, a watch.
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You know, jewelry is reallygood because it's often made of metal,
so it really holds the energy.
But I did great by justholding the things, and, you know,
you have no idea.
You just write it down,whatever you get, and then you move
on to the next item.
And I did really, really well.
I like psychometry.
I find it a lot of fun.
And before I really had myclear audience going, I was doing.
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Looking at people's photos andtelling them stuff about the people
in the photos and then doingpsychometry so that somebody would
sit down at my table in theold days in a psychic fair, and I'd
say, well, why don't you giveme your ring or your watch?
And I would hold it.
But I didn't necessarily seesomething about the past or something
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about the previous owner.
It was much more because I wasfocused on, what does this person
want to know or need to know?
That was my intention and focus.
Okay.
I've had many, many visions ofthings, like premonitions of things
that have.
Not just premonitions, butclear, clear visions of things that
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were happening that wouldhappen in the next few moments my
whole life.
I'll give you a reallypowerful one, is I was modeling in
New York when I was 19, andI'm in a part of New York where I'm
completely lost.
And those were back in the daywhen there was no gps, right?
Yeah.
And I needed to call mymodeling agency, and I needed a quarter
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to use the payphone, and Ididn't have any.
And I really needed to get intouch with the agency.
And I'm like, well, what am Igoing to do?
And I'm kind of lost.
And so my intuition, like, asI'm walking in an area that I know
nothing about, I get a clearpicture, like, clear of my finger,
my first finger, and my thumbgoing into a telephone booth and
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pulling out a quarter andlooking at it.
And that's all I saw.
Then the vision was gone.
And then my intuition was sostrong, it said, turn left.
So I'm like, okay.
So I turn left, and one blockup there across the street, there
was a pay phone.
And I'm like, no way there.
You gotta be kidding me.
So I'm at the jet.
Right.
Just because I'm curious.
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So I cross the street, I go tothe payphone, and I put my finger
in there and lo and behold, Ipull it out.
It was exactly what I saw.
There was a quarter.
Wow.
As I.
I'm like, I.
I'm looking up the pay phonejust because I'm in shock, right?
Somebody had engraved in the payphone.
Thank God.
Like, thank you, thank you,thank you.
Wow.
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Intuition is coded into our DNA.
We needed it for survivalthousands of years ago.
It's called gut instinct, andour ancestors trusted it.
Today, too many of us don't.
Ronnie Ann Ryan is talkingabout how to harness that intuitive
strength that we all have tosucceed and prevail in life and avoid
bad situations.
She's an intuitive guide andthe host of the popular podcast Breathe,
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Love and Magic that's rankedin the top 5% globally.
Ronnie's been giving ustremendous insight on why we should
trust our gut.
These are some of the things.
Would you say that that'srelated to what you call gut instinct
or spidey sense and all of that?
Ronnie, you know.
Yes, because.
Well, first of all, your gutis connected to your brain.
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It's considered your secondbrain by science.
And there are between 100 and500 million neurons between your
gut and your brain.
Now, people talk about, youknow, trust your heart, listen to
your heart.
The heart has 40,000.
Now, I don't know which oneyou want to listen to, but 40,000
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versus 100 to 500 million.
I'm in favor of the gut.
And so the gut instinct isoften about safety or surety, that
kind of thing.
Your gut instinct is tellingyou which way to turn.
My gut has screamed at me, andI didn't realize that they had 500
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million.
There are 500 million neuronsin our digestive tract.
Why do we have neurons thereas well as our heart?
That's just interesting.
I know.
We'd have to ask God, I guess.
Yeah, yeah.
What were you thinking whenyou built us?
Yeah.
You know, do some peoplemistake that for indigestion?
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I mean.
Oh, that's quite possible, I guess.
We know it's just one of those things.
And you can ignore it, or youcan use it to your advantage and
you get to choose, which is awesome.
I remember, I think, that theneurons in my guts screamed the loudest.
It was a number of years ago.
It was a guy I was dating, andI got this distinct feeling that
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his sister, who he wasemailing, was not his sister.
I was right.
And I had to look into this.
It was just like, it wouldn'tgo away.
It's like this is this nagging feeling.
It's like, come on, Shelley,look into this.
Yeah, well, good for you forlooking into it.
One of my favorite stories isI was a dating coach for a long time,
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and in the beginning, youknow, it was not that easy to get
clients or whatever.
So I had met this matchmaker,and we had done an event together,
and he reached out to me andhe said, hey, I'm going to open an
office in your town.
Would you like to run it for me?
And I thought, what a greatdream this is perfect, because then
I can Meet the people.
I can match them up, I cancoach them.
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I thought this was ideal.
I was so excited.
He said, all right, I'll callyou next week and we'll talk about
it.
Great.
So the next week he said, I'mso busy this week.
Let me get to you the next week.
And the next week he said, oh,I'm so busy.
I promise next week.
And so then the third week, hedidn't have time.
And the fourth week he finallycalled me.
And all I could think of was,this man is never going to be around
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to support me.
I'm not going to know what to do.
He's going to leave me hangingup to try.
I don't have a good feelingabout this, so, you know, I'm going
to say no.
So he called me on the 4th andgoes, okay, I'm ready to talk.
I'm like, yeah, I've thoughtabout it a lot and I'm going to pass,
but thank you so much for the opportunity.
And he was like, what?
I said, yeah, I don't thinkit's right for me, but thank you.
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Well, fast forward five yearswhen he was arrested for fraud.
Ooh.
And they had to close all theoffices down.
I was so glad I didn't get involved.
And I did meet the woman whoran the office in my town.
She was really lovely, but hehung her out to dry all the time.
And so, yeah, it really helpsto listen to your intuition.
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Yes.
For love, for safety, for whatever.
It's put there for a reason.
Yeah.
Oh, for sure it is.
It absolutely is.
So you say that trusting yourgut is your best resource.
Intuition is natural.
And people have.
Everyone has that ability.
How do people know if it'sfear or intuition that's guiding
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us?
Because I'm sure people aregoing to dismiss it and say, ah,
I'm just fearful, you know.
Yeah.
And I've done that too.
You know, my experience hasbeen, if you're getting a warning,
pay attention, because that isoften a warning for a reason.
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It's coming to you through,you know, I don't know, spirit or
the energy that you're pickingup because, you know, all thoughts
and emotions, it's energy.
Because everything is energy.
There isn't anything thatisn't energy.
And so when we're picking upinformation, we pick it up through
our senses, but we can alsopick it up because we just feel the
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energy and that's that feeling.
It is the clear, sentient.
So that's why it's actually so normal.
That's how we're constructed.
And if you think about howwe're mostly water, that means things
really vibrate in us.
You know how sound travelsmuch faster over the water than over
the land.
So we are a lot of water.
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So we can pick up all kinds of vibes.
And that's really what is happening.
So if you get a warning like,you are not special, this man, that's
when you pay attention.
Or he's not dialing the numberof his sister, then you pay attention.
Now, let's take another incident.
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Let's say you're trying todecide between should I do this or
should I do that.
Then it's much harder becauseyou don't know if fear is getting
involved or what's happening.
So sometimes it helps whenyou're emotional.
It's very hard.
Yep.
That's when it's the hardest.
And that's why people pick acard or do the I Ching or use the
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runes or stuff like that,because that will still give you
the energy read without yougetting all in your head about it.
Right.
That's why people seek advicefrom other methods.
Or they pray.
Absolutely.
Yep.
Yep.
Prayer is a great way to getthe guidance that you need.
So.
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So how do you know if it'syour fear talking?
I think it's usually your fearif it's a warning about something.
But if you feel like, I can'ttake that risk, I can't build that
business, I can't take thatloan, I can't do this, I can't do
that, that might be youtalking yourself out of something.
Because that's not necessarilya warning.
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Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, I've talked myself outof stuff before.
Yep.
Yeah, we all do.
We all do.
And, you know, sometimes it'sprobably a good thing.
So it's not always easy to know.
Exactly.
But that's why I recommend practice.
Because if you really wantyour intuition to work, you need
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to practice.
And then the other thing Irecommend is to keep track.
So I think you need anintuition journal.
And here's what you do.
I'm not going to tell you towrite pages, just write bullet points.
So let's say you want to know.
You know, I want to go on thiscruise, on this date, to this place.
Is this the good thing for me?
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And then you tune in, howeveryou would tune in.
You just get quiet your mindand then allow the information to
come however it comes best to you.
And then write down the answeryou get.
Yes, you should go.
May is good, Ireland is great.
Whatever it is, then, youknow, if you book the trip or whatever
you decide to do, and thenafter you go, you go back to that
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page and you say, had a greattime, everything worked out.
Or maybe I should havelistened to my intuition or whatever
it is.
But there's no big journaling requirement.
But if you write it down nowyou have evidence.
And so when you practice andyou write down your results, you
will build up evidence to seewhether you're accurate or not.
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How accurate are you?
What happens when you follow through?
What happens when you don't?
And I also say practice onlittle stuff like don't pick the
biggest thing happening inyour life and start there.
You know, like, should I breakup with my partner?
Uh, that's too big to start with.
You want to start with thelittlest things to get good at it,
to trust yourself, to build upsome experience.
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So you might decide to choose,you know, to figure out what's the
temperature outside before youlook at your phone or a thermometer
or what time is it?
Or one of my favorites is tothink about the path you want to
take.
What route are you going totake in the car to go wherever you're
going and then plug it intoyour gps, see if you match what the
GPS says.
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So these are all ways to testyourself and build your skill and
write down a series of resultsso that now you have evidence.
Because this is one of thoseamorphous things, you can't touch
it, you'll forget or you'llsay nah, or you'll just discount
it or whatever.
But if you keep track, and youknow, I'm not trying to make this,
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you know, a pressure situationor whatever, just little chicken
scratching notes to yourselfof when you're practicing.
You will find how well you'redoing and over time you will be able
to trust yourself more and more.
I think if you're seriousabout learning to your intuition,
that learning to use it, thatis a fantastic method to build up
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skill and that will help, youknow, is it fear or am I just talking
myself out of something?
Sure.
It's hard to tell.
Sometimes it is.
I know you have somethinglisted called the traffic light method
to practice intuition.
Yes.
Okay, this is fun.
Let's say you're trying todecide, should I do this?
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And it's a yes or no question.
Right.
So, you know, should I go outto dinner tonight with Sally?
Okay.
So close your eyes and youimagine seeing a stoplight and what
color is it?
Now I hope you focus on greenor red, but Once in a while, you'll
see yellow.
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So if you see green, then youknow, you should go.
Green means go.
You see red, then you mightwant to reschedule or pick another
night or a differentrestaurant or whatever it is.
Or maybe you shouldn't behanging out with Sally.
I don't know.
But if you see yellow, thatcould mean you don't have enough
information.
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Or like the yellow light would be.
Proceed with caution.
Or you need more information.
And it's not the.
Or it's not the right time tomake a decision.
So that's why I try to getpeople to just focus on green and
red so that you don't have toget confused with what does yellow
mean?
You know, so that's how I do it.
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And it's fun.
It's super fast, and it'sreally easy.
It makes sense.
Yep.
I like it.
I like it.
Yeah, it's a good one.
Is that the only method, or isthat probably the most straightforward
one?
Oh, there's so many.
There's just 10.
I was gonna say I use.
I use that.
That technique with eating cookies.
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Red.
Step away from the cookie, Kathy.
Well, I'll give you anothereasy one.
So let's say you're trying todecide between two things.
You can imagine holding one inyour left hand and one in your right
hand.
And then you could see, is oneheavier than the other?
Or does one feel better inyour hand than the other?
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Or sometimes what I do is Ivisualize light, and I'm like, which
one shines the brightest?
Because that's the one withthe most energy.
So I'll just see a thing ineach hand.
It doesn't even.
I don't even have to know whatit is.
But one's going to light up.
And so whatever one lights up,that's where the energy is.
That's the best one for you.
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So that's why it's shining.
So that's another way of doing it.
And then if you had a bunch ofthings, let's say you had five things
to choose from, which couldreally make you crazy, right?
When you.
When you start to have a lotof choices, I shut down.
So.
But if you have a lot ofchoices and you don't have a lot
of time and you just have tomake a decision, and that's it.
Then you can imagine a stagewith spotlights, and you put your
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five choices up in a straightline, and then you just imagine which
one gets the spotlight.
And it's amazing what you cando with these super simple, really
fast exercises to help youjust make a decision.
Because that's why we talk.
You know, you talked aboutdecisions right at the beginning.
A lot of times I use myintuition for decisions.
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You know, what's the bestthing on the menu for me to eat?
What's not going to upset my stomach?
You know, like, sometimes it'sobvious and sometimes it's not, and
I'm glad I asked the question.
Or, you know, what do I needto buy at the grocery store?
What am I forgetting?
Or whatever it is.
There's.
I mean, with 35,000 decisionsin a day, you got a lot of things
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you got to decide on.
Oh, gosh, you know, it's.
It's very helpful.
And one of the things, like,I'm driving, and I'm going to Trader
Joe's, which is a grocerystore, so I'm going to Trader Joe's.
And I always turn right at the light.
Always turn right.
You could turn left, but Idon't like to go that way.
So as I'm approaching thelight, there's so much traffic on
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the right, I can't really getover there.
And I finally just give up andgo, okay, fine, I'll go left, because
that was open.
So I went left.
And as I went left and then Iwent past the intersection where
I would have come in from theother way, the road was closed.
Wow.
So I was very grateful that Ipaid attention to the signs that
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were happening in front of me,which were clearly pointing me to
go left.
Sure.
And so I did.
And so that's how.
I mean, you can use yourintuition, you know, all day long,
and you don't have tonecessarily turn it on and turn it
off.
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Did you know that the gut isyour second brain?
According to science, it'sconnected to your brain.
Scientists say there arebetween 100 and 500 million neurons
between your gut and your brain.
That verifies the validity ofgut instinct, which is often about
safety.
You should pay attention tothat annoying little twinge you get
in your gut when it happens.
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Ronnie Anne Ryan is anintuitive guide author and the host
of the popular podcastBreathe, Love and Magic.
She's sharing why gut instinctis so important and how it can help
us be successful in life.
You said there are a lot ofstudies being done about gut instinct
and all of that.
How accurate is it?
And how much of an edge do weactually get when we really start
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tuning into it?
Wow.
I wish I knew the answer tothat question about accuracy.
My personal experience is thatit's really accurate.
And it sounds like Kathy saidsome pretty accurate stuff and it
sounds like you've had somepretty accurate.
Yeah.
So I think it is prettyaccurate once you get used to it
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and can easily discern, isthis my fear or is this a real situation?
And I think the best cases arewhen you're getting a warning.
I always tell my clients or mystudents, if you get a warning, you
pay attention.
Because what's the downside?
You know, I mean, there's noharm to paying attention to a warning.
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Yes.
I tell that to my daughter allthe time.
And she's got the sameintuition as I do.
She's very keen on it.
And we talk a lot aboutspiritual matters and she has told
me countless stories.
She says, mom, thank you somuch for showing me how to tap into
her.
Her own intuition because itsaved her disasters.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
But the key is you have to listen.
Yeah.
To your own self.
That own, that own.
You have to believe in it andfollow and trust yourself.
Trust your gut.
Yeah.
And that's why I tell people,write it down.
And then you can go back and look.
And it's very rewarding to do that.
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You almost have to get yourmind to get out of the way.
Because if you really wantsomething and your gut's saying,
no, don't do this.
You're going to overrule thatgut feeling because you want it so
badly.
Yeah.
It happens to all of us.
Then you get an experience ofknowing that, oh, I should listen
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to that.
And that's another.
Even though that's a negativelesson that could help you in the
future tremendously becauseyou're like, all right.
I learned that lesson, like,years and years ago when I was first
opening up to my intuition.
I was sitting in my livingroom, and I had an L shaped living
room dining room.
So where I was sitting in theliving room on the couch, I could
not see my dining room table.
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And I had candles lit, and Ihad tin foil under the candle holder
because in case the candlefell out.
And I was being cautious.
So I'm sitting and reading,and I hear in my head, which was
so weird, table is burning.
I'm like, what?
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Table's burning.
What?
Now?
The normal person wouldprobably get up and look, right?
But it was the beginning of myintuition, and I really wasn't paying
that much attention.
And even though I heard itloud and clear, I decided that was
nonsense.
And I didn't go look until Ieventually had to go use the bathroom.
And so I got up and I left.
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And sure enough, one of thecandles had fallen out of the holder,
rolled off the tin foil, andwas burning a nice black mark into
my antique oak table.
Oh.
Oh, goodness.
Pay attention.
Yes.
And you know what?
That was a good lesson for me.
I needed that lesson,unfortunately, because that was a
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big char mark to look at allthe time and remind myself, when
you get a message, especiallywhen you get a warning, pay attention.
Yep.
I can't tell you how manywarnings I have ignored.
Not.
Not in recent years, but whenI was much younger, you know, you
get bullheaded aboutsomething, it's like, I'm gonna do
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this.
And I had the instinct and thegut feeling saying, this is a bad
idea.
I did it anyway.
It's like I want to defy.
Be defiant or something.
Learn the hard way, right?
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
I'm good at that too.
Yeah.
I had one time.
I was 18, me and my mom werein Montreal on the subway going to
a new dentist for myself in apart of northern Montreal that I
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had never been before.
And as we're waiting for thesubway, I got a clear vision of a
convertible Cadillac.
I saw buildings.
I saw a stoplight.
I saw my mom on the ground.
I saw blood everywhere.
And it shook me so bad, IStarted to shake.
And I'm like, oh, my God.
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And my mom didn't know.
She looks at me, she says,what's going on?
I said, mom, I think you'regonna get run over.
I said, we can't go.
We can't go.
And it was so powerful, and Iwas green and just pale and sweaty.
And she says, okay, well,let's just sit down.
So we waited until threetrains went by, until this feeling
finally left.
And I said, okay, I thinkwe're good.
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So we get on the train, andthen we get off at the.
At the stop.
Now, remember, I'd never beenin this part of Montreal.
So as we're coming up, up ontothe street, we get out of the stop
area, and, oh, my God, if itwas the exact vision that I had seen,
I said, mom, this is it.
You'd have been hit.
You'd have been run over right here.
It was to the T, down to thecolors of, like, everything.
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So I'm really, really gladthat I listened to that one.
Wow.
I bet that's amazing.
Yeah.
That it freaked me out.
It freaked her out, too.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But at least you listened.
Yes, yes.
So actually, ever since thenis why I started listening to them,
because it was so powerful andit rocked me to the core.
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And I knew that there'ssomething deeper inside of me or
a gift that I might have thatI need to pay attention to, that
it's not just some, you know,oh, whatever.
No.
So I've always, always paidattention, especially since then.
Well, you know, the thingabout all of this stuff that we're
talking about is that we arespirit and we are the divine spark.
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And we forget that all thetime because we're just, you know,
we're human and we're workingand we're doing all these things,
and, you know, we're busy, andwe're not connected, necessarily.
Necessarily.
Not everybody might not beconnected to nature, and we're not
conscious in the moment, andwe're just doing our busy thing.
And that's not how it always was.
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That's how it is now.
But, you know, in eons goneby, people were connected to the
earth.
And there was a natural rhythmof when everything happened.
And there were ceremonies thatwent along with the time of year.
And so people were more intouch with.
With the natural instincts andhearing messages and following through
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on things or whatever, becausethey were more connected to spirit,
and they knew they were a partof everything, and they knew the
divine spark ran through them.
And so it Wasn't any bigsurprise when they got a message
or they knew something orthey, you know, were told something
or they saw a vision orwhatever it was.
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You know, they worked hard.
You know, think about theNative Americans who, you know, did
peyote so they could havevision, so they could see and know
what to do about bigsituations, right?
And so we've just become inmodern life very detached from all
of that.
That's actually normal, but wedon't consider it normal anymore.
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So here we are talking aboutall these weird stories we have,
but they're actually really normal.
It's just that we're notconnected to it in the way that we
used to be, in the way that wewere meant to be.
And that's what's reallyexciting about being alive at this
time.
Because so many people arehaving these big awakenings and there
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are so many more people whoknow about their intuition and are
looking for non religious spirituality.
And not that there's anythingwrong with religion, but they're
looking for additional avenuesor whatever.
So it's just, I find it very exciting.
And you can have fun with ittoo because you could say, well,
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show me the path or show methe way or give me a sign or you
know, like I have a freeprogram that's all about ask the
how to ask the universe forsign and get a message in 24 hours.
And I've really used that,that because, you know, when you're
faced with a big decision,sometimes it's really hard.
And the first time I used it,I couldn't decide if I should move
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to the town I'm in or not.
And I had done all theresearch and I looked at the traffic
patterns and I looked at theprice of things and I, I just, I
couldn't do any more researchor thinking or pros and cons.
It wasn't getting me to an answer.
So I thought, that's it, I'mjust putting it out to the universe.
And I, so I decided, and thisis part of my method, I decided what
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did I want to see and when didI want to see it by?
So I wanted to see pink roseor roses and I wanted to see it in
24 hours.
Well, that same day, after Imade this big pronouncement to the
universe or my spirit guidesor whoever's listening, my higher
self, I got in the car and Idrove to visit my friend Kim.
I was going to pick her up ather job, we were going to go to lunch.
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So as I'm driving, I Passedthis picket fence that had tons of
pink roses hanging over likeit was.
The rose bushes werecompletely loaded with pink roses.
But I looked at them and Isaid, those aren't the right color
pink.
So, okay, so then, you know,you can laugh at yourself afterwards.
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So then I went into thebuilding to pick up Kim, and sitting
on the coffee table, there wasone magazine, and on this one magazine
cover was one flower which wasthe exact color pink rose that I
wanted to see.
Okay, so that's how I decidedto move to the, you know, the town
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I live in, because I couldn'ttake the decision process anymore.
I wasn't getting anywhere.
And so I made three of thebiggest decisions in my life that
way.
And I did get an answer in 24 hours.
And I can also tell you thatI've gotten some no's because I didn't
get an answer at all in 24 hours.
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Now, if you're going to dothis kind of thing, then you have
to make an agreement withyourself that you're going to follow
it.
And the reason is because ifyou always ask your higher self or
spirit or your guides or yourangels, whoever it is, or God to
help you and give you ananswer, and then you don't pay any
attention to it, the answeris, will stop.
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Because you're getting in yourown way and you don't believe it
anymore.
And you're, you know, itdoesn't hold validity for you.
So it's good to just make anagreement that if you ask for a sign
and you get one, that you'regoing to follow it.
That's my advice.
So it's just as simple asasking for a sign.
I like to pick the sign andpick the time frame.
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Like, what'd you say?
I said, can I share a really.
Good story about asking for a sign?
Yeah.
I was really in a bad stateback in 2009, and because of my intuition,
my spiritual beliefs and allthat, and I've always had very clear
visions and things.
And I said, okay, God, I amsick and tired.
I don't want a vision.
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I don't want.
I don't want my intuition.
I don't want a dream.
I want a physical sign that Icould see with my own two eyes, right?
I said, that's it.
I need a sign that it's.
That I need to change, thatsomething needs to change in my life.
I want to see it.
And I was kind of like, mad.
I was, you know, tired and within.
I said, so there.
I'm not doing a Single thinguntil I see that sign.
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Well, 30 minutes later, I'm ona bus, I'm headed to work for the
night shift at the hospital.
And son of a gun, if I don'tsee on a big billboard sign, it was
just a white sign and bigblack letters.
It's time to change.
It is a Nike advertising.
Love it.
Yeah, that's my sign.
That's my sign.
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That's your sign.
Yeah.
Well, that worked great for you.
And congratulations.
You probably have more trustthan I do.
I feel like if I don't knowwhat the sign is, how will I know
when I see it?
Like that one was clear.
But sometimes people aregrappling with, well, what did the
hawk mean?
Or I saw a squirrel or I sawpansies or.
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And what?
You know, and then they haveto interpret it and whatever.
And I'm like, I'm notinterpreting anything now.
You were lucky.
You didn't have to interpret either.
And the other thing is, thefirst time I did this, I was foolish
enough to say, I need, youknow, two weeks.
And then I tortured myself fortwo weeks waiting for.
And of course it came at theend of the two weeks because when
else would it show up?
So that's when I thought, 24hours, I'm done.
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But I love that you saw it inhalf an hour.
How fast it really is.
Yeah, those are great stories,aren't they?
And what.
What if somebody doesn't likethe sign and ignores it?
Like you said, it's just goingto stop because we aren't.
We're getting our.
In our own way.
Well, I think it's a riskbecause what you're showing is a
lack of trust.
But I can't say for sure it won't.
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You won't get any more answers.
But if you ask and you don'tdo anything with it and you ask and
you don't take a step and youask and you ignore everything, why
would it continue?
That's true.
Yeah.
I mean, it could.
I suppose anything is possible.
But I have found with peoplethat when they start to not trust
it, then they start to notlisten to it and then it all kind
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of dissolves and they stopeven looking to try it.
I think that's what happensmore than.
It's not like the universe ispunishing you.
I think the energy for tryingthat kind of stuff dissipates.
Sure.
You actually work with clientson all of this and you have some
additional information about.
Do you have an audio course onintuitiveedge biz?
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Yes.
If you put A slash and theword sign.
You'll get that program on howto ask the universe for sign and
get an answer in 24 hours.
So that's exactly.
It's a super easy half houraudio that tells you exactly what
to do and how to make it workfor you.
And it always works becauseyou're going to get an answer in
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24 hours, yes or no.
Excellent.
Gosh, I could use that every day.
Yeah.
So that's a free audio course.
Yeah.
Oh, cool.
So it's intuitiveedge biz sign.
Correct.
Exactly.
Love this.
People need to reach out toyou, Ronnie.
And you've got a podcast, too,that people can listen to where you
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cover a lot of other reallycool goodies.
Yeah, you know, right now I'mreally interested in magic, but when
I talk about magic, what Imean is the magic of the universe,
the synchronicities and thingslike that, the, you know, directing
your energy with emotion, thatkind of thing.
So some people might call itmanifesting, you know, the synchronicities
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of everything falling intoplace somehow magically.
I'm really into that.
And I just want to say thatwhat I have seen lately for myself
and my clients is that if youtake any step, steps to make changes
for yourself on a spiritual orpersonal development path right now
in all this insane chaos, themagic is very strong in your favor.
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So if you take even thetiniest step forward to improve something
in your life or learnsomething, or stretch yourself in
some way, or get past a fearand try something.
I have found that the magic isso available right now that people
are getting just.
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They're having amazing resultsand experiences.
So I just want to leave peopleencouraged to try to stretch in whatever
way feels right to them,because there are big rewards for
the people who are making an effort.
That's something everybodyneeds to hear.
We love positive messages like that.
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It's like, there is hope.
Yay.
Oh, there is.
Big time.
Big time.
And your podcast is calledBreathe Love and Magic.
Yes.
Yep.
It's a lot of fun.
So I talk about all kinds ofmetaphysical, mystical, you know,
topics.
Healing, intuition, pastlives, divination, all kinds of stuff.
It's really fun.
Where do people reach out toyou, Ronnie?
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Well, you can find me on LinkedIn.
Believe it or not, I hang outa lot on LinkedIn.
I like it.
There's.
I do have a following onInstagram that's kind of small, but
that's okay.
And you can always find myphone number and email me through
my website.
And your website is whatintuitiveedge biz B as in boy I Z
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Cool.
Ronnie, you have some terrific insight.
You made my day.
Oh, thank you so much.
It's really been fun talkingto both of you and sharing these
stories.
It's been so awesome.
I can't thank you enough.
Well, thank you, Ronnie.
It's been a really good hour.
We want to pick your braindown the road again anytime you cover
a lot of really interesting topics.
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Do you ever get that spideysense or feeling in the pit of your
stomach that something justisn't right?
We all do, but many of usignore it.
This has been referred to asour gut instinct.
Instincts are a natural partof being human.
But too many people don'ttrust them or dismiss them.
They're a guide that helps usmake decisions.
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Since Cornell University sayswe make at least 35,000 decisions
every day, we can use all thehelp we can get.
Our intuition is spot on inhelping with that.
Ronnie Ann Ryan is anintuitive guide who works with women
to rise to their next level.
She helps clients conqueruncertainty and trust their gut with
her soul wisdom path.
(01:25):
Her website is intuitiveedge Biz.
She's the host of the popularpodcast Breathe Love and Magic.
It's ranked in the top 5% globally.
She's also a best sellingauthor of six books and has appeared
on ABC, NBC, Fox, NPR, theBBC, Yahoo News, and MSN dot com.
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Ronnie has been our guestbefore and we're excited to feature
her again to tap into herterrific insights.
Welcome back, Ronnie.
It's great to have you back onthe show.
Thank you, Shelly.
Kathy, I'm glad to be here.
Yeah.
Welcome back.
This is gonna be so much fun.
I love your insight and gut instinct.
Wow.
We all have it.
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Why do you think so manypeople don't trust their gut, Ronnie?
You know, I think people are afraid.
They don't want to tell anyone.
They don't want anybody tothink they're dumb to trust that
people think of it as hooeyand woo woo.
And they don't have practiceor support around them or other people
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who believe in that.
And so it just feels very iffy.
Yeah, I know I've beenseriously guilty of not trusting
my gut.
I've let my mind rule insteadof my gut and ended up wishing I
hadn't.
And that certainly came to thedecisions I made with men.
Yeah.
So.
Well, it's really good whetheryou're, you know, regardless of what
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you're using it for, it'simportant to listen.
And I remember when I was onmy fourth date with a guy who I really
liked, and we were sitting inthe park and he's telling me all
the things we could do thatsummer, you know, in future dates.
And loud and clear, I heard inmy head, which, this is unusual.
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Once in a while I get theseloud and clear messages, but I heard,
you are not special to him.
Now, you can't get any clearerthan that, can you?
No, you can't.
No.
But did I listen?
No, I did not.
Because I thought, oh, that'smy fear talking.
That can't be true.
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And of course it was true.
I never saw him again afterthat night.
But I had a chance to listen.
And I had enough of thoseexperiences where I finally thought,
you know what?
When I start hearing thatstuff, I'm just going to pay attention
now.
Mm.
I'm stubborn.
I guess I haven't always listened.
But when I think back, I'd hadthose instincts and I'd had those.
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The spidey sense.
I think some people, I don'tknow, maybe we need to define it.
What is gut instinct?
What is gut instinct?
And how did we stop using it?
Oh, well, isn't that a good question?
So our intuition is coded intothe DNA because you needed it for
survival.
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We all needed it for survivalback in the days when we were cavemen
and women.
And so that was all about survival.
You had to have good instinctto know, was there an animal lurking?
Was there a rival tribe lurking?
What kind of danger was happening?
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You needed it for survival.
But in addition, on the flipside of the, you know, idea that
something could be harmful, onthe flip side, there was when is
it best to plant crops?
Or where is the best place toharvest such and such, or where should
we make camp for the tribe orthat kind of thing.
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So it worked for both sets of objectives.
How to do something the bestand also how to stay safe.
And so, you know, here inmodern times, most of us live in
some kind of structure building.
And that has taken us awayfrom our, you know, innate instincts
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and intuitive abilitiesbecause we get very rational and
we just stick to what we knowand what we can touch and what we
can see and what seems real.
But originally the intuitionwas real, too, and that sixth sense
was vital.
Oh, yeah, animals use it,don't they?
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
They say horses are really intuitive.
So I know somebody who doesequine therapy, and she tells amazing
stories about how intuitivethe horses can be.
They know who they can trust,don't they?
Yes, for sure.
Of course, they also know.
Oh yeah, look at dogs, right.
When they.
Oh yeah, somebody bad, likegot bad vibes, comes around, they'll,
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they'll growl.
Yeah.
But if you're good, they'lljust come right up to you, so.
Right, yeah, that's actually.
I used to think that that wasa good way to judge a good guy dog.
Yeah, yeah, right.
The dog judge.
That's funny.
Not exactly though, becausesome men just know what to say to
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get into our hearts and our heads.
Yeah, yeah, very true.
So you think because we'vegotten too scientific, we've gotten
away from the gut instinct andour intuition because it can't be
measured or something.
Well, they're actually doingthings now to measure it.
And there's all kinds ofscience that's starting to show up
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about the truth of these othersenses that we have.
And there was a book by DeanRabbit, I think, called Real Magic,
and he did a ton ofexperiments or compiled results from
other people's experiments,talking about remote viewing and
using, you know, two footthick walls to make sure that nobody
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was cheating and all this kindof stuff.
And they're starting to proveit all over the place.
But a lot of times, you know,like the government has done tons
of research on this, but theydon't want you to actually know.
Oh, right.
You know, So I think a lot ofit is based on what's rational, what's
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logical, what makes the mostsense versus instinct.
It's gotten.
We'll call it poo pooed anddust it off and put in the corner.
Right.
Oh yeah, go over there.
Now, we're not going to listento you, but it really makes a difference
in my life.
It makes sense.
I think children have betterinstincts or they follow them.
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They can sense things thatadults ignore.
Absolutely.
Because they haven't been shutdown yet.
Oh, that's just your imagination.
You know, stop being silly,blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
Kids are still wide open andthey say it often changes around
the age of seven.
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But that would depend on thefamily, Right, sure.
What they're hearing.
Absolutely.
That makes total sense.
Yeah.
Kathy, you trust your instinctpretty well, don't you?
Oh, my goodness.
My instinct has saved me manya time.
Many, many, many.
But the strong one that'sreally, really remarkable is when
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I was doing that careerplanning workshop.
It was a three day course andat the end the lady, the facilitator,
had sent me to this programcalled Women Building Futures where
big companies sponsor women toget into the trades.
And I Think, I think it was aWednesday when I left that career
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planning workshop and I wasgoing to go the next day, the Thursday,
and it was so loud, it's likea voice scream, no, go Friday, go
Friday.
And it was so loud and it was so.
It took me aback.
I'm like, okay, okay, I'll go Friday.
Geez, calm down.
And I'm really glad I didbecause had I gone the Thursday,
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I'd have missed the goldenopportunity of a lifetime.
Because on the Friday morningis when imperial oil or ExxonMobil
were there for the first timeoffering a pilot project to.
For 16 women to take a 12 weekheavy equipment operator course.
I'd have missed the boat completely.
So I'm very glad I listened tothat because I went the Friday morning
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and it turns out I went earlyand I was the very first woman to
even get the offer.
And I didn't know what a haultruck was at the time.
I said all I saw was 10 dayson, 10 days off.
I said, I'll take it.
Yeah, you hit the lottery withthat decision there, Kathy.
Yeah, that's a good one.
That's a great story.
Oh yeah, I'm so grateful I listened.
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So, Rani, I see that you'vegot a list of how intuition shows
up.
Visual, audio, kinesthetic, knowing.
Could you go through some of that?
Because that might help peopleso that they know that they're actually.
It's their intuition and theyneed to listen or see it or something.
Okay, good, good one.
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So those are the Claires.
That's what people call them,the Claires.
So the first one would beclairvoyant, and that is seeing.
And that's people who, youknow, sometimes they see things with
their eyes open that aren'tnecessarily physical or they might
see things in their mind'seye, you know, in their brain.
It could be like a movie orsomething like that.
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So that's clairvoyant.
Then there's clairaudient,which is when you can hear.
And so you might hear like thestory I told or the story Kathy told
where, you know, she heard amessage loud and clear and so did
I.
And we made different choiceson whether to pay attention or not,
but that is all about hearing.
And, you know, I.
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It's hard to say exactly whatthe source of these, of the messages
is, you know, which we'll talkabout after.
So the next one is, let's see, clairsentient.
And that's feeling.
So that's more kinesthetic feeling.
And so you just get asensation in your body.
Maybe you get chills or theseprickly feelings, or you feel hot
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all of a sudden, or cold.
So that's clairsentient.
And then there's claircognizant.
And that's knowing when youjust know something.
Like, sometimes I just get abig block of information.
I'm like, whoa, where did thatcome from?
That would be Clair cognizant.
Or people talk aboutdownloads, you know, that's Clair
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cognizant.
Now, there are some others,and I'm not as familiar with their
name, but I can tell you whatthey're about.
There is a Claire that's aboutthe sense of smell.
And a lot of times mediumshave that one where they can smell
someone who has passed away,but they can smell their perfume
or a cigar or something like that.
And there's also a sense oftaste, which might also be.
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Mediums might also encounter that.
I had a sense of taste oncewhen I ate pomegranate for the first
time.
Like, I love juice, thepomegranate juice.
But the first time I had thoselittle seed pods or kernels or whatever
they are in my mouth, I justfreaked out.
And so I was like, what isthat about?
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And so that was about sense oftaste and stuff.
And, you know, it's a longstory what I think that was about,
so we could talk about thatlater, too.
And then there's also onethat's for psychometry.
And psychometry is when youhold an object and then you can read
the energy through holding itin your hand, you know, through the
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sense of touch.
I don't know what.
I can't remember what thatone's called either.
So there's at least eight.
And they might be more.
You know, they seem to come upwith more over time.
But those are the ones thatcome to mind right now.
That's really fascinating whenyou're talking about psychometry.
I remember there was somebodythat I knew that could get vibes
off of your jewelry, but ithad something that was actually given
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to you.
I remember handing a ring overthat I'd gotten in Ireland.
And the visions she got weresomething from the 1800s with little
kids running around and theirboys in their knickers and stuff.
I'm like, wow.
She said.
And she looked at me, shesaid, this wasn't given to you.
She said, I need somethingthat was given to you.
And then when she did, when Igave her a ring that was given to
me, she named my grandmother's name.
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It was just really amazing.
I Mean, I'm like, whoa.
This was information thatshe'd never had.
I love psychometry.
I've had a lot of fun and luckwith that, and I don't have that
requirement.
I can, like.
I took a class once, and thewoman just put out a bunch of objects.
Statue, a teapot, a watch.
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You know, jewelry is reallygood because it's often made of metal,
so it really holds the energy.
But I did great by justholding the things, and, you know,
you have no idea.
You just write it down,whatever you get, and then you move
on to the next item.
And I did really, really well.
I like psychometry.
I find it a lot of fun.
And before I really had myclear audience going, I was doing.
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Looking at people's photos andtelling them stuff about the people
in the photos and then doingpsychometry so that somebody would
sit down at my table in theold days in a psychic fair, and I'd
say, well, why don't you giveme your ring or your watch?
And I would hold it.
But I didn't necessarily seesomething about the past or something
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about the previous owner.
It was much more because I wasfocused on, what does this person
want to know or need to know?
That was my intention and focus.
Okay.
I've had many, many visions ofthings, like premonitions of things
that have.
Not just premonitions, butclear, clear visions of things that
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were happening that wouldhappen in the next few moments my
whole life.
I'll give you a reallypowerful one, is I was modeling in
New York when I was 19, andI'm in a part of New York where I'm
completely lost.
And those were back in the daywhen there was no gps, right?
Yeah.
And I needed to call mymodeling agency, and I needed a quarter
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to use the payphone, and Ididn't have any.
And I really needed to get intouch with the agency.
And I'm like, well, what am Igoing to do?
And I'm kind of lost.
And so my intuition, like, asI'm walking in an area that I know
nothing about, I get a clearpicture, like, clear of my finger,
my first finger, and my thumbgoing into a telephone booth and
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pulling out a quarter andlooking at it.
And that's all I saw.
Then the vision was gone.
And then my intuition was sostrong, it said, turn left.
So I'm like, okay.
So I turn left, and one blockup there across the street, there
was a pay phone.
And I'm like, no way there.
You gotta be kidding me.
So I'm at the jet.
Right.
Just because I'm curious.
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So I cross the street, I go tothe payphone, and I put my finger
in there and lo and behold, Ipull it out.
It was exactly what I saw.
There was a quarter.
Wow.
As I.
I'm like, I.
I'm looking up the pay phonejust because I'm in shock, right?
Somebody had engraved in the payphone.
Thank God.
Like, thank you, thank you,thank you.
Wow.
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Intuition is coded into our DNA.
We needed it for survivalthousands of years ago.
It's called gut instinct, andour ancestors trusted it.
Today, too many of us don't.
Ronnie Ann Ryan is talkingabout how to harness that intuitive
strength that we all have tosucceed and prevail in life and avoid
bad situations.
She's an intuitive guide andthe host of the popular podcast Breathe,
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Love and Magic that's rankedin the top 5% globally.
Ronnie's been giving ustremendous insight on why we should
trust our gut.
These are some of the things.
Would you say that that'srelated to what you call gut instinct
or spidey sense and all of that?
Ronnie, you know.
Yes, because.
Well, first of all, your gutis connected to your brain.
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It's considered your secondbrain by science.
And there are between 100 and500 million neurons between your
gut and your brain.
Now, people talk about, youknow, trust your heart, listen to
your heart.
The heart has 40,000.
Now, I don't know which oneyou want to listen to, but 40,000
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versus 100 to 500 million.
I'm in favor of the gut.
And so the gut instinct isoften about safety or surety, that
kind of thing.
Your gut instinct is tellingyou which way to turn.
My gut has screamed at me, andI didn't realize that they had 500
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million.
There are 500 million neuronsin our digestive tract.
Why do we have neurons thereas well as our heart?
That's just interesting.
I know.
We'd have to ask God, I guess.
Yeah, yeah.
What were you thinking whenyou built us?
Yeah.
You know, do some peoplemistake that for indigestion?
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I mean.
Oh, that's quite possible, I guess.
We know it's just one of those things.
And you can ignore it, or youcan use it to your advantage and
you get to choose, which is awesome.
I remember, I think, that theneurons in my guts screamed the loudest.
It was a number of years ago.
It was a guy I was dating, andI got this distinct feeling that
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his sister, who he wasemailing, was not his sister.
I was right.
And I had to look into this.
It was just like, it wouldn'tgo away.
It's like this is this nagging feeling.
It's like, come on, Shelley,look into this.
Yeah, well, good for you forlooking into it.
One of my favorite stories isI was a dating coach for a long time,
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and in the beginning, youknow, it was not that easy to get
clients or whatever.
So I had met this matchmaker,and we had done an event together,
and he reached out to me andhe said, hey, I'm going to open an
office in your town.
Would you like to run it for me?
And I thought, what a greatdream this is perfect, because then
I can Meet the people.
I can match them up, I cancoach them.
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I thought this was ideal.
I was so excited.
He said, all right, I'll callyou next week and we'll talk about
it.
Great.
So the next week he said, I'mso busy this week.
Let me get to you the next week.
And the next week he said, oh,I'm so busy.
I promise next week.
And so then the third week, hedidn't have time.
And the fourth week he finallycalled me.
And all I could think of was,this man is never going to be around
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to support me.
I'm not going to know what to do.
He's going to leave me hangingup to try.
I don't have a good feelingabout this, so, you know, I'm going
to say no.
So he called me on the 4th andgoes, okay, I'm ready to talk.
I'm like, yeah, I've thoughtabout it a lot and I'm going to pass,
but thank you so much for the opportunity.
And he was like, what?
I said, yeah, I don't thinkit's right for me, but thank you.
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Well, fast forward five yearswhen he was arrested for fraud.
Ooh.
And they had to close all theoffices down.
I was so glad I didn't get involved.
And I did meet the woman whoran the office in my town.
She was really lovely, but hehung her out to dry all the time.
And so, yeah, it really helpsto listen to your intuition.
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Yes.
For love, for safety, for whatever.
It's put there for a reason.
Yeah.
Oh, for sure it is.
It absolutely is.
So you say that trusting yourgut is your best resource.
Intuition is natural.
And people have.
Everyone has that ability.
How do people know if it'sfear or intuition that's guiding
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us?
Because I'm sure people aregoing to dismiss it and say, ah,
I'm just fearful, you know.
Yeah.
And I've done that too.
You know, my experience hasbeen, if you're getting a warning,
pay attention, because that isoften a warning for a reason.
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It's coming to you through,you know, I don't know, spirit or
the energy that you're pickingup because, you know, all thoughts
and emotions, it's energy.
Because everything is energy.
There isn't anything thatisn't energy.
And so when we're picking upinformation, we pick it up through
our senses, but we can alsopick it up because we just feel the
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energy and that's that feeling.
It is the clear, sentient.
So that's why it's actually so normal.
That's how we're constructed.
And if you think about howwe're mostly water, that means things
really vibrate in us.
You know how sound travelsmuch faster over the water than over
the land.
So we are a lot of water.
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So we can pick up all kinds of vibes.
And that's really what is happening.
So if you get a warning like,you are not special, this man, that's
when you pay attention.
Or he's not dialing the numberof his sister, then you pay attention.
Now, let's take another incident.
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Let's say you're trying todecide between should I do this or
should I do that.
Then it's much harder becauseyou don't know if fear is getting
involved or what's happening.
So sometimes it helps whenyou're emotional.
It's very hard.
Yep.
That's when it's the hardest.
And that's why people pick acard or do the I Ching or use the
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runes or stuff like that,because that will still give you
the energy read without yougetting all in your head about it.
Right.
That's why people seek advicefrom other methods.
Or they pray.
Absolutely.
Yep.
Yep.
Prayer is a great way to getthe guidance that you need.
So.
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So how do you know if it'syour fear talking?
I think it's usually your fearif it's a warning about something.
But if you feel like, I can'ttake that risk, I can't build that
business, I can't take thatloan, I can't do this, I can't do
that, that might be youtalking yourself out of something.
Because that's not necessarilya warning.
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Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, I've talked myself outof stuff before.
Yep.
Yeah, we all do.
We all do.
And, you know, sometimes it'sprobably a good thing.
So it's not always easy to know.
Exactly.
But that's why I recommend practice.
Because if you really wantyour intuition to work, you need
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to practice.
And then the other thing Irecommend is to keep track.
So I think you need anintuition journal.
And here's what you do.
I'm not going to tell you towrite pages, just write bullet points.
So let's say you want to know.
You know, I want to go on thiscruise, on this date, to this place.
Is this the good thing for me?
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And then you tune in, howeveryou would tune in.
You just get quiet your mindand then allow the information to
come however it comes best to you.
And then write down the answeryou get.
Yes, you should go.
May is good, Ireland is great.
Whatever it is, then, youknow, if you book the trip or whatever
you decide to do, and thenafter you go, you go back to that
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page and you say, had a greattime, everything worked out.
Or maybe I should havelistened to my intuition or whatever
it is.
But there's no big journaling requirement.
But if you write it down nowyou have evidence.
And so when you practice andyou write down your results, you
will build up evidence to seewhether you're accurate or not.
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How accurate are you?
What happens when you follow through?
What happens when you don't?
And I also say practice onlittle stuff like don't pick the
biggest thing happening inyour life and start there.
You know, like, should I breakup with my partner?
Uh, that's too big to start with.
You want to start with thelittlest things to get good at it,
to trust yourself, to build upsome experience.
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So you might decide to choose,you know, to figure out what's the
temperature outside before youlook at your phone or a thermometer
or what time is it?
Or one of my favorites is tothink about the path you want to
take.
What route are you going totake in the car to go wherever you're
going and then plug it intoyour gps, see if you match what the
GPS says.
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So these are all ways to testyourself and build your skill and
write down a series of resultsso that now you have evidence.
Because this is one of thoseamorphous things, you can't touch
it, you'll forget or you'llsay nah, or you'll just discount
it or whatever.
But if you keep track, and youknow, I'm not trying to make this,
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you know, a pressure situationor whatever, just little chicken
scratching notes to yourselfof when you're practicing.
You will find how well you'redoing and over time you will be able
to trust yourself more and more.
I think if you're seriousabout learning to your intuition,
that learning to use it, thatis a fantastic method to build up
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skill and that will help, youknow, is it fear or am I just talking
myself out of something?
Sure.
It's hard to tell.
Sometimes it is.
I know you have somethinglisted called the traffic light method
to practice intuition.
Yes.
Okay, this is fun.
Let's say you're trying todecide, should I do this?
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And it's a yes or no question.
Right.
So, you know, should I go outto dinner tonight with Sally?
Okay.
So close your eyes and youimagine seeing a stoplight and what
color is it?
Now I hope you focus on greenor red, but Once in a while, you'll
see yellow.
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So if you see green, then youknow, you should go.
Green means go.
You see red, then you mightwant to reschedule or pick another
night or a differentrestaurant or whatever it is.
Or maybe you shouldn't behanging out with Sally.
I don't know.
But if you see yellow, thatcould mean you don't have enough
information.
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Or like the yellow light would be.
Proceed with caution.
Or you need more information.
And it's not the.
Or it's not the right time tomake a decision.
So that's why I try to getpeople to just focus on green and
red so that you don't have toget confused with what does yellow
mean?
You know, so that's how I do it.
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And it's fun.
It's super fast, and it'sreally easy.
It makes sense.
Yep.
I like it.
I like it.
Yeah, it's a good one.
Is that the only method, or isthat probably the most straightforward
one?
Oh, there's so many.
There's just 10.
I was gonna say I use.
I use that.
That technique with eating cookies.
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Red.
Step away from the cookie, Kathy.
Well, I'll give you anothereasy one.
So let's say you're trying todecide between two things.
You can imagine holding one inyour left hand and one in your right
hand.
And then you could see, is oneheavier than the other?
Or does one feel better inyour hand than the other?
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Or sometimes what I do is Ivisualize light, and I'm like, which
one shines the brightest?
Because that's the one withthe most energy.
So I'll just see a thing ineach hand.
It doesn't even.
I don't even have to know whatit is.
But one's going to light up.
And so whatever one lights up,that's where the energy is.
That's the best one for you.
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So that's why it's shining.
So that's another way of doing it.
And then if you had a bunch ofthings, let's say you had five things
to choose from, which couldreally make you crazy, right?
When you.
When you start to have a lotof choices, I shut down.
So.
But if you have a lot ofchoices and you don't have a lot
of time and you just have tomake a decision, and that's it.
Then you can imagine a stagewith spotlights, and you put your
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five choices up in a straightline, and then you just imagine which
one gets the spotlight.
And it's amazing what you cando with these super simple, really
fast exercises to help youjust make a decision.
Because that's why we talk.
You know, you talked aboutdecisions right at the beginning.
A lot of times I use myintuition for decisions.
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You know, what's the bestthing on the menu for me to eat?
What's not going to upset my stomach?
You know, like, sometimes it'sobvious and sometimes it's not, and
I'm glad I asked the question.
Or, you know, what do I needto buy at the grocery store?
What am I forgetting?
Or whatever it is.
There's.
I mean, with 35,000 decisionsin a day, you got a lot of things
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you got to decide on.
Oh, gosh, you know, it's.
It's very helpful.
And one of the things, like,I'm driving, and I'm going to Trader
Joe's, which is a grocerystore, so I'm going to Trader Joe's.
And I always turn right at the light.
Always turn right.
You could turn left, but Idon't like to go that way.
So as I'm approaching thelight, there's so much traffic on
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the right, I can't really getover there.
And I finally just give up andgo, okay, fine, I'll go left, because
that was open.
So I went left.
And as I went left and then Iwent past the intersection where
I would have come in from theother way, the road was closed.
Wow.
So I was very grateful that Ipaid attention to the signs that
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were happening in front of me,which were clearly pointing me to
go left.
Sure.
And so I did.
And so that's how.
I mean, you can use yourintuition, you know, all day long,
and you don't have tonecessarily turn it on and turn it
off.
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Did you know that the gut isyour second brain?
According to science, it'sconnected to your brain.
Scientists say there arebetween 100 and 500 million neurons
between your gut and your brain.
That verifies the validity ofgut instinct, which is often about
safety.
You should pay attention tothat annoying little twinge you get
in your gut when it happens.
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Ronnie Anne Ryan is anintuitive guide author and the host
of the popular podcastBreathe, Love and Magic.
She's sharing why gut instinctis so important and how it can help
us be successful in life.
You said there are a lot ofstudies being done about gut instinct
and all of that.
How accurate is it?
And how much of an edge do weactually get when we really start
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tuning into it?
Wow.
I wish I knew the answer tothat question about accuracy.
My personal experience is thatit's really accurate.
And it sounds like Kathy saidsome pretty accurate stuff and it
sounds like you've had somepretty accurate.
Yeah.
So I think it is prettyaccurate once you get used to it
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and can easily discern, isthis my fear or is this a real situation?
And I think the best cases arewhen you're getting a warning.
I always tell my clients or mystudents, if you get a warning, you
pay attention.
Because what's the downside?
You know, I mean, there's noharm to paying attention to a warning.
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Yes.
I tell that to my daughter allthe time.
And she's got the sameintuition as I do.
She's very keen on it.
And we talk a lot aboutspiritual matters and she has told
me countless stories.
She says, mom, thank you somuch for showing me how to tap into
her.
Her own intuition because itsaved her disasters.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
But the key is you have to listen.
Yeah.
To your own self.
That own, that own.
You have to believe in it andfollow and trust yourself.
Trust your gut.
Yeah.
And that's why I tell people,write it down.
And then you can go back and look.
And it's very rewarding to do that.
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You almost have to get yourmind to get out of the way.
Because if you really wantsomething and your gut's saying,
no, don't do this.
You're going to overrule thatgut feeling because you want it so
badly.
Yeah.
It happens to all of us.
Then you get an experience ofknowing that, oh, I should listen
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to that.
And that's another.
Even though that's a negativelesson that could help you in the
future tremendously becauseyou're like, all right.
I learned that lesson, like,years and years ago when I was first
opening up to my intuition.
I was sitting in my livingroom, and I had an L shaped living
room dining room.
So where I was sitting in theliving room on the couch, I could
not see my dining room table.
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And I had candles lit, and Ihad tin foil under the candle holder
because in case the candlefell out.
And I was being cautious.
So I'm sitting and reading,and I hear in my head, which was
so weird, table is burning.
I'm like, what?
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Table's burning.
What?
Now?
The normal person wouldprobably get up and look, right?
But it was the beginning of myintuition, and I really wasn't paying
that much attention.
And even though I heard itloud and clear, I decided that was
nonsense.
And I didn't go look until Ieventually had to go use the bathroom.
And so I got up and I left.
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And sure enough, one of thecandles had fallen out of the holder,
rolled off the tin foil, andwas burning a nice black mark into
my antique oak table.
Oh.
Oh, goodness.
Pay attention.
Yes.
And you know what?
That was a good lesson for me.
I needed that lesson,unfortunately, because that was a
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big char mark to look at allthe time and remind myself, when
you get a message, especiallywhen you get a warning, pay attention.
Yep.
I can't tell you how manywarnings I have ignored.
Not.
Not in recent years, but whenI was much younger, you know, you
get bullheaded aboutsomething, it's like, I'm gonna do
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this.
And I had the instinct and thegut feeling saying, this is a bad
idea.
I did it anyway.
It's like I want to defy.
Be defiant or something.
Learn the hard way, right?
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
I'm good at that too.
Yeah.
I had one time.
I was 18, me and my mom werein Montreal on the subway going to
a new dentist for myself in apart of northern Montreal that I
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had never been before.
And as we're waiting for thesubway, I got a clear vision of a
convertible Cadillac.
I saw buildings.
I saw a stoplight.
I saw my mom on the ground.
I saw blood everywhere.
And it shook me so bad, IStarted to shake.
And I'm like, oh, my God.
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And my mom didn't know.
She looks at me, she says,what's going on?
I said, mom, I think you'regonna get run over.
I said, we can't go.
We can't go.
And it was so powerful, and Iwas green and just pale and sweaty.
And she says, okay, well,let's just sit down.
So we waited until threetrains went by, until this feeling
finally left.
And I said, okay, I thinkwe're good.
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So we get on the train, andthen we get off at the.
At the stop.
Now, remember, I'd never beenin this part of Montreal.
So as we're coming up, up ontothe street, we get out of the stop
area, and, oh, my God, if itwas the exact vision that I had seen,
I said, mom, this is it.
You'd have been hit.
You'd have been run over right here.
It was to the T, down to thecolors of, like, everything.
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So I'm really, really gladthat I listened to that one.
Wow.
I bet that's amazing.
Yeah.
That it freaked me out.
It freaked her out, too.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But at least you listened.
Yes, yes.
So actually, ever since thenis why I started listening to them,
because it was so powerful andit rocked me to the core.
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And I knew that there'ssomething deeper inside of me or
a gift that I might have thatI need to pay attention to, that
it's not just some, you know,oh, whatever.
No.
So I've always, always paidattention, especially since then.
Well, you know, the thingabout all of this stuff that we're
talking about is that we arespirit and we are the divine spark.
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And we forget that all thetime because we're just, you know,
we're human and we're workingand we're doing all these things,
and, you know, we're busy, andwe're not connected, necessarily.
Necessarily.
Not everybody might not beconnected to nature, and we're not
conscious in the moment, andwe're just doing our busy thing.
And that's not how it always was.
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That's how it is now.
But, you know, in eons goneby, people were connected to the
earth.
And there was a natural rhythmof when everything happened.
And there were ceremonies thatwent along with the time of year.
And so people were more intouch with.
With the natural instincts andhearing messages and following through
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on things or whatever, becausethey were more connected to spirit,
and they knew they were a partof everything, and they knew the
divine spark ran through them.
And so it Wasn't any bigsurprise when they got a message
or they knew something orthey, you know, were told something
or they saw a vision orwhatever it was.
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You know, they worked hard.
You know, think about theNative Americans who, you know, did
peyote so they could havevision, so they could see and know
what to do about bigsituations, right?
And so we've just become inmodern life very detached from all
of that.
That's actually normal, but wedon't consider it normal anymore.
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So here we are talking aboutall these weird stories we have,
but they're actually really normal.
It's just that we're notconnected to it in the way that we
used to be, in the way that wewere meant to be.
And that's what's reallyexciting about being alive at this
time.
Because so many people arehaving these big awakenings and there
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are so many more people whoknow about their intuition and are
looking for non religious spirituality.
And not that there's anythingwrong with religion, but they're
looking for additional avenuesor whatever.
So it's just, I find it very exciting.
And you can have fun with ittoo because you could say, well,
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show me the path or show methe way or give me a sign or you
know, like I have a freeprogram that's all about ask the
how to ask the universe forsign and get a message in 24 hours.
And I've really used that,that because, you know, when you're
faced with a big decision,sometimes it's really hard.
And the first time I used it,I couldn't decide if I should move
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to the town I'm in or not.
And I had done all theresearch and I looked at the traffic
patterns and I looked at theprice of things and I, I just, I
couldn't do any more researchor thinking or pros and cons.
It wasn't getting me to an answer.
So I thought, that's it, I'mjust putting it out to the universe.
And I, so I decided, and thisis part of my method, I decided what
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did I want to see and when didI want to see it by?
So I wanted to see pink roseor roses and I wanted to see it in
24 hours.
Well, that same day, after Imade this big pronouncement to the
universe or my spirit guidesor whoever's listening, my higher
self, I got in the car and Idrove to visit my friend Kim.
I was going to pick her up ather job, we were going to go to lunch.
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So as I'm driving, I Passedthis picket fence that had tons of
pink roses hanging over likeit was.
The rose bushes werecompletely loaded with pink roses.
But I looked at them and Isaid, those aren't the right color
pink.
So, okay, so then, you know,you can laugh at yourself afterwards.
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So then I went into thebuilding to pick up Kim, and sitting
on the coffee table, there wasone magazine, and on this one magazine
cover was one flower which wasthe exact color pink rose that I
wanted to see.
Okay, so that's how I decidedto move to the, you know, the town
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I live in, because I couldn'ttake the decision process anymore.
I wasn't getting anywhere.
And so I made three of thebiggest decisions in my life that
way.
And I did get an answer in 24 hours.
And I can also tell you thatI've gotten some no's because I didn't
get an answer at all in 24 hours.
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Now, if you're going to dothis kind of thing, then you have
to make an agreement withyourself that you're going to follow
it.
And the reason is because ifyou always ask your higher self or
spirit or your guides or yourangels, whoever it is, or God to
help you and give you ananswer, and then you don't pay any
attention to it, the answeris, will stop.
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Because you're getting in yourown way and you don't believe it
anymore.
And you're, you know, itdoesn't hold validity for you.
So it's good to just make anagreement that if you ask for a sign
and you get one, that you'regoing to follow it.
That's my advice.
So it's just as simple asasking for a sign.
I like to pick the sign andpick the time frame.
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Like, what'd you say?
I said, can I share a really.
Good story about asking for a sign?
Yeah.
I was really in a bad stateback in 2009, and because of my intuition,
my spiritual beliefs and allthat, and I've always had very clear
visions and things.
And I said, okay, God, I amsick and tired.
I don't want a vision.
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I don't want.
I don't want my intuition.
I don't want a dream.
I want a physical sign that Icould see with my own two eyes, right?
I said, that's it.
I need a sign that it's.
That I need to change, thatsomething needs to change in my life.
I want to see it.
And I was kind of like, mad.
I was, you know, tired and within.
I said, so there.
I'm not doing a Single thinguntil I see that sign.
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Well, 30 minutes later, I'm ona bus, I'm headed to work for the
night shift at the hospital.
And son of a gun, if I don'tsee on a big billboard sign, it was
just a white sign and bigblack letters.
It's time to change.
It is a Nike advertising.
Love it.
Yeah, that's my sign.
That's my sign.
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That's your sign.
Yeah.
Well, that worked great for you.
And congratulations.
You probably have more trustthan I do.
I feel like if I don't knowwhat the sign is, how will I know
when I see it?
Like that one was clear.
But sometimes people aregrappling with, well, what did the
hawk mean?
Or I saw a squirrel or I sawpansies or.
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And what?
You know, and then they haveto interpret it and whatever.
And I'm like, I'm notinterpreting anything now.
You were lucky.
You didn't have to interpret either.
And the other thing is, thefirst time I did this, I was foolish
enough to say, I need, youknow, two weeks.
And then I tortured myself fortwo weeks waiting for.
And of course it came at theend of the two weeks because when
else would it show up?
So that's when I thought, 24hours, I'm done.
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But I love that you saw it inhalf an hour.
How fast it really is.
Yeah, those are great stories,aren't they?
And what.
What if somebody doesn't likethe sign and ignores it?
Like you said, it's just goingto stop because we aren't.
We're getting our.
In our own way.
Well, I think it's a riskbecause what you're showing is a
lack of trust.
But I can't say for sure it won't.
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You won't get any more answers.
But if you ask and you don'tdo anything with it and you ask and
you don't take a step and youask and you ignore everything, why
would it continue?
That's true.
Yeah.
I mean, it could.
I suppose anything is possible.
But I have found with peoplethat when they start to not trust
it, then they start to notlisten to it and then it all kind
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of dissolves and they stopeven looking to try it.
I think that's what happensmore than.
It's not like the universe ispunishing you.
I think the energy for tryingthat kind of stuff dissipates.
Sure.
You actually work with clientson all of this and you have some
additional information about.
Do you have an audio course onintuitiveedge biz?
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Yes.
If you put A slash and theword sign.
You'll get that program on howto ask the universe for sign and
get an answer in 24 hours.
So that's exactly.
It's a super easy half houraudio that tells you exactly what
to do and how to make it workfor you.
And it always works becauseyou're going to get an answer in
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24 hours, yes or no.
Excellent.
Gosh, I could use that every day.
Yeah.
So that's a free audio course.
Yeah.
Oh, cool.
So it's intuitiveedge biz sign.
Correct.
Exactly.
Love this.
People need to reach out toyou, Ronnie.
And you've got a podcast, too,that people can listen to where you
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cover a lot of other reallycool goodies.
Yeah, you know, right now I'mreally interested in magic, but when
I talk about magic, what Imean is the magic of the universe,
the synchronicities and thingslike that, the, you know, directing
your energy with emotion, thatkind of thing.
So some people might call itmanifesting, you know, the synchronicities
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of everything falling intoplace somehow magically.
I'm really into that.
And I just want to say thatwhat I have seen lately for myself
and my clients is that if youtake any step, steps to make changes
for yourself on a spiritual orpersonal development path right now
in all this insane chaos, themagic is very strong in your favor.
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So if you take even thetiniest step forward to improve something
in your life or learnsomething, or stretch yourself in
some way, or get past a fearand try something.
I have found that the magic isso available right now that people
are getting just.
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They're having amazing resultsand experiences.
So I just want to leave peopleencouraged to try to stretch in whatever
way feels right to them,because there are big rewards for
the people who are making an effort.
That's something everybodyneeds to hear.
We love positive messages like that.
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It's like, there is hope.
Yay.
Oh, there is.
Big time.
Big time.
And your podcast is calledBreathe Love and Magic.
Yes.
Yep.
It's a lot of fun.
So I talk about all kinds ofmetaphysical, mystical, you know,
topics.
Healing, intuition, pastlives, divination, all kinds of stuff.
It's really fun.
Where do people reach out toyou, Ronnie?
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Well, you can find me on LinkedIn.
Believe it or not, I hang outa lot on LinkedIn.
I like it.
There's.
I do have a following onInstagram that's kind of small, but
that's okay.
And you can always find myphone number and email me through
my website.
And your website is whatintuitiveedge biz B as in boy I Z
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Cool.
Ronnie, you have some terrific insight.
You made my day.
Oh, thank you so much.
It's really been fun talkingto both of you and sharing these
stories.
It's been so awesome.
I can't thank you enough.
Well, thank you, Ronnie.
It's been a really good hour.
We want to pick your braindown the road again anytime you cover
a lot of really interesting topics.
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Thank you, Ronnie.
Thank you.
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