August 20, 2024 • 20 mins
In this episode of the Words for Change podcast, we delve into the complex relationship between Christianity and politics, sparked by a powerful quote from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.: "The church must be reminded that it is not the master or servant of the state." We explore how faith communities can engage with political systems without losing their spiritual mission. The discussion touches on historical perspectives, including the civil rights movement, and modern challenges, such as political endorsements in churches. We also reflect on how the teachings of Jesus, particularly John 18:36, inform our understanding of Christian engagement in politics. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation that challenges the way we think about the church's role in shaping societal values.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, welcome to August 20th.
Today it is Podcast Tuesday.
Thank you once again for tuningin to the Words for Change
podcast as we begin discussingChristianity and politics, or
religion and culture.
This is a very important topicthat we're going to cover today,
(00:21):
that a quote from Dr MartinLuther King really sets the tone
for this episode, and he saidthis the church must be reminded
that it is not the master orservant of the state.
Listen to that.
The church, rather, is theconscience of the state.
(01:04):
Okay, so before we get started,let's talk about our news.
What's happening in the newstoday for our news segment man?
So much going on.
The Democratic NationalConvention has kicked off in
Chicago, of all places, and VicePresident Kamala Harris has
been given the reins byPresident Joe Biden.
(01:28):
He gave an emotional speechlast evening talking about how
he has given his very, very bestto the political scene, to his
presidency.
He highlighted hisaccomplishments over the past 50
years in public service, whichis quite a long time that he
gave America his best, and theDNC clapped for him all night.
(01:51):
Among those in attendance wasformer Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton, as well as manyothers.
Major protests happened outsideand those protests were around
the Israel in Hamas situationthere.
That is still causing a lot ofpain and a lot of news.
(02:14):
Former Congressman GeorgeSantos pled guilty to federal
charges, served as a congressmanfor New York a Republican and
he's facing at least two yearsin prison after pleading guilty
to wire fraud and aggregatedidentity theft charges.
(02:34):
He was charged with 23 felonycounts on various lies and
schemes and apparently he wastaking money from donors and
using it in ways that he shouldnot.
And I think what this does isit leads us further to this
understanding thataccountability within our
political system is becomingmore a reality.
(02:57):
So we keep our eyes on thatthere.
In the economy, most Americansare worried about losing their
jobs.
A new government report offereddeep insights to how Americans
are feeling about their jobs.
28% of Americans said that theyare looking for new jobs in the
past four weeks.
(03:17):
Unemployment unemployment hasreached 4.3%, which is a little
increase from the month before,and Several news organizations,
like the New York Times, reportthat economy data is validating
how Americans are feeling abouttheir job situation.
So that's what's happening inour news.
(03:39):
So when we look at what'shappening in the world, we focus
our attention on what our majorquote said in the very
(03:59):
beginning from Dr King.
Look at what's happening in thenews and, by the way, let me
just say this what we're taughtis that the church should
typically be apolitical, thatyou have people in congregations
who are on all sides of thepolitical aisle, and so we
shouldn't necessarily have ahard stance or a hard line about
(04:21):
where we stand political.
Now, there are certainviewpoints about that.
Some people who say no, thechurch is, should be very much
involved in political processes.
Ie, if you think about the1960s, civil rights movement was
primarily spearheaded At leastthe face of the civil rights
(04:43):
movement was primarilyspearheaded by preachers who had
a very different perspectiveabout the church.
Right, but I want to look at ourscripture verse, for the day
comes from John 8, 36.
Jesus was having a conversationwith Pilate, and Jesus said to
Pilate that my kingdom is not ofthis world, that if my kingdom
(05:04):
were of this world, then myservants would be fighting, that
I may not be given or deliveredover to his persecutors, but my
kingdom is not of this world.
Now, there's very differentinterpretations that we can have
about that scripture verse.
One interpretation we can haveis that this is proof that Jesus
(05:29):
said we should not participate,or at least his kingdom was not
necessarily concerned for thisworld.
But if you look deeper into theactual context of what Jesus
was getting at there, he wasstating this to a political
entity, the governor of thatRoman province, pontius Pilate.
(05:53):
Jesus was persecuted by apolitical system that was sort
of had fire lit under them fromthose who hated him and I'm not
going to get into like aparticular ethnic group because
it definitely caused issuestoday.
Some people would say, no, myBible says that Jesus was being
(06:19):
delivered up to the Jews.
Some people see that asanti-Semitism.
Some people would actuallyinterpret the scripture in many
senses as anti-Semitic in somany ways, and that is not my
angle here.
But simply the fact is thisthat Jesus' message was to his
(06:40):
people.
There are many, many differentinterpretations of what, how
Jesus' message intertwined withthe political system of his day
in which it did.
Jesus spoke truth to power aswell.
Now, I don't care if you are aconservative theologian or a
(07:03):
liberal theologian or if you'resaying somewhere in the middle,
trying to be balanced, but whatwe're getting at I want you to
understand as our listener isthat Jesus here in this text it
is.
It is no matter where you stand.
Jesus here in this text wasmaking an argument to a
political system, was making anargument in front of a Roman
(07:27):
governor, which was a politicalmove as well, and it had effects
on that government.
Jesus was making his appeal tothese individuals and this was
all in a climate by which theRoman government had power and
(07:51):
control over that area ofJerusalem.
So, even though we could makethe argument that there was in
this scripture verse from Johnright, that John is not trying
to communicate a political Jesuswhich I don't think that's what
John was trying to do, rightbut if you understand the gospel
(08:13):
of John and the Johanninecommunity, that the Johannine
community right is, was renownedfor being this separate kind of
community.
Biblical authors and biblicistswill tell you that the gospel of
John, and also 1st and 2nd Johnthe Johannine community is what
they call it in the biblicaland religious scholarly world
(08:38):
was focused on separatingthemselves from the current
climate during their day, sortof as a separate community that
will remain faithful to God andChrist or faithful to its
understanding of Christ.
This is now I'm talking aboutfirst and second John, third
(08:59):
John, and so they took theircues from, from the gospel of
John, as well as others of thatday.
So here in this segment butwith John 18, 36, we hear Jesus
says our kingdom should not bein this world.
But does that mean we shouldnot be involved?
Well, I think there is adifferent approach here that we
(09:21):
should look at.
So this leads us to a veryimportant question, and that
question is this what and howshould Christians engage in
politics?
What and how should Christiansengage in politics?
(09:43):
And I want to start out bysaying, or laying the groundwork
here, and say that there'ssomething very important that we
should understand that Jesuswas a revolutionary, that the
church should be revolutionaryas well, but we should always
(10:04):
start with Jesus, ourrevolutionary attempts.
And what I mean byrevolutionary it's sort of a
word that could be taken out ofcontext.
When I say revolutionary, I'mnot necessarily talking about
protests or sort of like the1960s viewpoint, but in in.
(10:25):
You know, the church has alwaysbeen involved in in social
issues and most Christians ofthe day don't understand how
Christians should view politics.
And one author, nt Wright hesaid this, a New Testament
author that I listen to and readquite a bit.
He said in the 18th centurythere were a lot of Christians
(10:46):
in political thought, and overthe last two to 300 years we
sort of have ignored that.
But we need to sort ofre-engage with that.
And that re-engagement beginswith this sort of this kind of
political theology.
And this political theologysays this we are not Christians,
are not in the world to link upwith a political party
(11:06):
believing that that politicalparty is our salvation.
Christians should be in charge,sort of like you know the
religious right will beproponents of, nor on the left
side, depending on where you are.
I'm apolitical, not only as amilitary personnel.
(11:26):
I don't support not necessarilyeither political leaning.
I'm more so interested in notriding on the backs of horses
and donkeys, but alsorepresenting God's kingdom on
earth.
Now, that can be quite tricky,but what we're getting at is
(11:46):
that what God designed thechurch to be, an example of the
new creation.
And this is where I personallyhave an issue, as you may have
as well, with how a lot ofchurches will see that following
Christ means being involvedwith the political party, and
(12:09):
that is not New Testamentscripture.
The church fathers in the firstcentury and before that did not
consider that to be the case.
Right what Jesus was talking tohis disciples about was not
being connected with thepolitical party, but to be
different, to be a community, acommunity that looks different
(12:32):
and a community that shows theworld, amidst all the turmoil,
what the church should be andlook like, what community, what
human community should be andlook like, how compassion should
resemble itself, how loveshould be demonstrated, how
mercy, how justice in the worldshould be demonstrated.
(12:54):
This is the signs that Jesusgave to Caesar during this time.
This was the sign that hisdisciples demonstrated right.
They didn't connect themselvesto a political party, not
necessarily.
When Jesus was in the Garden ofGethsemane, peter reached for
his sword as his captors came totake him.
(13:14):
Peter cut off the high priestservant Malchus ear.
And what did Jesus say to himin response?
My kingdom is not of this world.
If it were, then could I notcall for a legion of angels to
come and aid me?
But that's not what my kingdomis all about, that I'm not
(13:37):
concerned about theprincipalities and powers in
this human way.
Another text Jesus said inMatthew in the world, amongst
the Gentiles, there are peoplewho rule over others, but in the
kingdom this is not the case.
So this is the problem that Ihave with my evangelical
(13:58):
brothers and sisters that welink ourselves immediately with
the religious right, or this isa problem I have on the liberal
side that we believe that, hey,we link it ourselves with this
sort of justice motif, that weare doing God's work.
Now you may fall as my listener.
(14:19):
You may fall at either end andthere are more arguments that
can be made on both sides.
But if we're talking aboutJesus and we're talking about
where we fall and where weshould fall, I take the words of
Dr King as a quote, that wespoke in the very beginning,
that the church is not themaster of the state, that the
(14:41):
church is called to be theconscience of the state.
We are taught to be not leaningnecessarily on one political
side but to be neutral.
Why?
Because we have people who are.
We serve people on both sidesof the aisle and the church
should be the same.
I remember being a part of acongregation and I myself could
(15:02):
be very opinionated, but I hadto remain silent on a lot of
political issues because we hadpeople who were part of our
congregation were on both sidesof the political aisle that we
were careful not to offend, tonot draw people away.
So if we reflect upon this kindof political theology, then
(15:24):
this provides a clear roadmap ofhow we should look forward.
Right, that we should not putour hope and faith in political
parties.
Right, and an awful lot ofChristians are doing this.
They're getting into the dirtygame of politics because it is a
dirty game of politics and youknow it's a political season
(15:44):
right now.
And what's problematic isinstances like when political
candidates go to churches andwhen they do that and they stand
in the pulpit and they say votefor me.
Right, which is they may notsee that verbally, but their
(16:05):
very presence in that pulpit,that the pastor and church
leaders allow them to be in thatspace.
Right, is an endorsement.
Right, they only come duringthe year, during the political
season, in a presidentialelection year, when they need
votes.
Right, this is the dirty gameof politics In the church.
(16:26):
We have to be very, verycareful and I would say to you
any church that does that, youshould be suspect.
Right, because what they'redoing is drawing a hard line and
saying this is God's politicalparty.
You think about what Jesus said?
Right, that my kingdom is notof this world, right.
(16:48):
So when we play the dirty gameof politics.
We're teaching people whichside of the aisle they should
stand on, when all politicianshave one goal what?
To get elected.
Right, that's their goal.
But this is not what Christiansshould do.
That we shouldn't split theapple this way, so to speak.
(17:08):
Right, that the Bible doesn'ttell us which side to vote on.
Right, jesus said in MatthewGospel all authority in heaven
and earth has been given to me.
So what does this lead us tothink like that?
Jesus is the one that hasauthority, and we should look to
the New Testament to give usguidance and look to the Holy
(17:30):
Spirit to give us guidance.
I'm not saying we have a blindeye.
You can see through thisepisode.
We've talked about what'shappening in our world today,
but, more importantly, god isthe final authority, and God is
calling us to be a communitythat demonstrates what justice
(17:51):
and truth should look like, whatcommunity, what love, what
mercy, what grace, what thesethings should look like, and
that's what's most important.
(18:26):
Okay, so the next logicalquestion is this how should you?
I want to hear from you, howshould you participate in
politics?
How should you engage inpolitics?
I want you to hear.
I want to hear from you, uh, atthe top.
There's a link at the top ofthe description where you can
send a note or email.
It'll go directly to me and Ican read it and I can address
that.
So I would love to.
(18:46):
It's called fan mail.
It's at the top.
So, right here in thedescription, at the top, you'll
see a little link and you canclick on it and you can just
send me a message.
You'll see a little link andyou can click on it and you can
just send me a message to let meknow your thoughts on this
topic.
If this topic resonated with youor gave you at least another
perspective, I would love tohear from you about this topic.
And in closing, I would saythis I would say that we in the
(19:11):
church must understand that, yes, it is true that the church is
not just about going to heaven.
Right, the church has somethingto say, but the angle by which
we talk about it should be Jesusfirst.
Jesus should be the baseargument by which we address all
(19:33):
of these issues, and we need tolook to Jesus to be the ethical
example of how we engage theworld in politics.
That's the question I'll leavefor you and that we hope to pick
up in the next episode.
See you next time you.
Hello everyone, welcome to August 20th.
Today it is Podcast Tuesday.
Thank you once again for tuningin to the Words for Change
podcast as we begin discussingChristianity and politics, or
religion and culture.
This is a very important topicthat we're going to cover today,
(00:21):
that a quote from Dr MartinLuther King really sets the tone
for this episode, and he saidthis the church must be reminded
that it is not the master orservant of the state.
Listen to that.
The church, rather, is theconscience of the state.
(01:04):
Okay, so before we get started,let's talk about our news.
What's happening in the newstoday for our news segment man?
So much going on.
The Democratic NationalConvention has kicked off in
Chicago, of all places, and VicePresident Kamala Harris has
been given the reins byPresident Joe Biden.
(01:28):
He gave an emotional speechlast evening talking about how
he has given his very, very bestto the political scene, to his
presidency.
He highlighted hisaccomplishments over the past 50
years in public service, whichis quite a long time that he
gave America his best, and theDNC clapped for him all night.
(01:51):
Among those in attendance wasformer Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton, as well as manyothers.
Major protests happened outsideand those protests were around
the Israel in Hamas situationthere.
That is still causing a lot ofpain and a lot of news.
(02:14):
Former Congressman GeorgeSantos pled guilty to federal
charges, served as a congressmanfor New York a Republican and
he's facing at least two yearsin prison after pleading guilty
to wire fraud and aggregatedidentity theft charges.
(02:34):
He was charged with 23 felonycounts on various lies and
schemes and apparently he wastaking money from donors and
using it in ways that he shouldnot.
And I think what this does isit leads us further to this
understanding thataccountability within our
political system is becomingmore a reality.
(02:57):
So we keep our eyes on thatthere.
In the economy, most Americansare worried about losing their
jobs.
A new government report offereddeep insights to how Americans
are feeling about their jobs.
28% of Americans said that theyare looking for new jobs in the
past four weeks.
(03:17):
Unemployment unemployment hasreached 4.3%, which is a little
increase from the month before,and Several news organizations,
like the New York Times, reportthat economy data is validating
how Americans are feeling abouttheir job situation.
So that's what's happening inour news.
(03:39):
So when we look at what'shappening in the world, we focus
our attention on what our majorquote said in the very
(03:59):
beginning from Dr King.
Look at what's happening in thenews and, by the way, let me
just say this what we're taughtis that the church should
typically be apolitical, thatyou have people in congregations
who are on all sides of thepolitical aisle, and so we
shouldn't necessarily have ahard stance or a hard line about
(04:21):
where we stand political.
Now, there are certainviewpoints about that.
Some people who say no, thechurch is, should be very much
involved in political processes.
Ie, if you think about the1960s, civil rights movement was
primarily spearheaded At leastthe face of the civil rights
(04:43):
movement was primarilyspearheaded by preachers who had
a very different perspectiveabout the church.
Right, but I want to look at ourscripture verse, for the day
comes from John 8, 36.
Jesus was having a conversationwith Pilate, and Jesus said to
Pilate that my kingdom is not ofthis world, that if my kingdom
(05:04):
were of this world, then myservants would be fighting, that
I may not be given or deliveredover to his persecutors, but my
kingdom is not of this world.
Now, there's very differentinterpretations that we can have
about that scripture verse.
One interpretation we can haveis that this is proof that Jesus
(05:29):
said we should not participate,or at least his kingdom was not
necessarily concerned for thisworld.
But if you look deeper into theactual context of what Jesus
was getting at there, he wasstating this to a political
entity, the governor of thatRoman province, pontius Pilate.
(05:53):
Jesus was persecuted by apolitical system that was sort
of had fire lit under them fromthose who hated him and I'm not
going to get into like aparticular ethnic group because
it definitely caused issuestoday.
Some people would say, no, myBible says that Jesus was being
(06:19):
delivered up to the Jews.
Some people see that asanti-Semitism.
Some people would actuallyinterpret the scripture in many
senses as anti-Semitic in somany ways, and that is not my
angle here.
But simply the fact is thisthat Jesus' message was to his
(06:40):
people.
There are many, many differentinterpretations of what, how
Jesus' message intertwined withthe political system of his day
in which it did.
Jesus spoke truth to power aswell.
Now, I don't care if you are aconservative theologian or a
(07:03):
liberal theologian or if you'resaying somewhere in the middle,
trying to be balanced, but whatwe're getting at I want you to
understand as our listener isthat Jesus here in this text it
is.
It is no matter where you stand.
Jesus here in this text wasmaking an argument to a
political system, was making anargument in front of a Roman
(07:27):
governor, which was a politicalmove as well, and it had effects
on that government.
Jesus was making his appeal tothese individuals and this was
all in a climate by which theRoman government had power and
(07:51):
control over that area ofJerusalem.
So, even though we could makethe argument that there was in
this scripture verse from Johnright, that John is not trying
to communicate a political Jesuswhich I don't think that's what
John was trying to do, rightbut if you understand the gospel
(08:13):
of John and the Johanninecommunity, that the Johannine
community right is, was renownedfor being this separate kind of
community.
Biblical authors and biblicistswill tell you that the gospel of
John, and also 1st and 2nd Johnthe Johannine community is what
they call it in the biblicaland religious scholarly world
(08:38):
was focused on separatingthemselves from the current
climate during their day, sortof as a separate community that
will remain faithful to God andChrist or faithful to its
understanding of Christ.
This is now I'm talking aboutfirst and second John, third
(08:59):
John, and so they took theircues from, from the gospel of
John, as well as others of thatday.
So here in this segment butwith John 18, 36, we hear Jesus
says our kingdom should not bein this world.
But does that mean we shouldnot be involved?
Well, I think there is adifferent approach here that we
(09:21):
should look at.
So this leads us to a veryimportant question, and that
question is this what and howshould Christians engage in
politics?
What and how should Christiansengage in politics?
(09:43):
And I want to start out bysaying, or laying the groundwork
here, and say that there'ssomething very important that we
should understand that Jesuswas a revolutionary, that the
church should be revolutionaryas well, but we should always
(10:04):
start with Jesus, ourrevolutionary attempts.
And what I mean byrevolutionary it's sort of a
word that could be taken out ofcontext.
When I say revolutionary, I'mnot necessarily talking about
protests or sort of like the1960s viewpoint, but in in.
(10:25):
You know, the church has alwaysbeen involved in in social
issues and most Christians ofthe day don't understand how
Christians should view politics.
And one author, nt Wright hesaid this, a New Testament
author that I listen to and readquite a bit.
He said in the 18th centurythere were a lot of Christians
(10:46):
in political thought, and overthe last two to 300 years we
sort of have ignored that.
But we need to sort ofre-engage with that.
And that re-engagement beginswith this sort of this kind of
political theology.
And this political theologysays this we are not Christians,
are not in the world to link upwith a political party
(11:06):
believing that that politicalparty is our salvation.
Christians should be in charge,sort of like you know the
religious right will beproponents of, nor on the left
side, depending on where you are.
I'm apolitical, not only as amilitary personnel.
(11:26):
I don't support not necessarilyeither political leaning.
I'm more so interested in notriding on the backs of horses
and donkeys, but alsorepresenting God's kingdom on
earth.
Now, that can be quite tricky,but what we're getting at is
(11:46):
that what God designed thechurch to be, an example of the
new creation.
And this is where I personallyhave an issue, as you may have
as well, with how a lot ofchurches will see that following
Christ means being involvedwith the political party, and
(12:09):
that is not New Testamentscripture.
The church fathers in the firstcentury and before that did not
consider that to be the case.
Right what Jesus was talking tohis disciples about was not
being connected with thepolitical party, but to be
different, to be a community, acommunity that looks different
(12:32):
and a community that shows theworld, amidst all the turmoil,
what the church should be andlook like, what community, what
human community should be andlook like, how compassion should
resemble itself, how loveshould be demonstrated, how
mercy, how justice in the worldshould be demonstrated.
(12:54):
This is the signs that Jesusgave to Caesar during this time.
This was the sign that hisdisciples demonstrated right.
They didn't connect themselvesto a political party, not
necessarily.
When Jesus was in the Garden ofGethsemane, peter reached for
his sword as his captors came totake him.
(13:14):
Peter cut off the high priestservant Malchus ear.
And what did Jesus say to himin response?
My kingdom is not of this world.
If it were, then could I notcall for a legion of angels to
come and aid me?
But that's not what my kingdomis all about, that I'm not
(13:37):
concerned about theprincipalities and powers in
this human way.
Another text Jesus said inMatthew in the world, amongst
the Gentiles, there are peoplewho rule over others, but in the
kingdom this is not the case.
So this is the problem that Ihave with my evangelical
(13:58):
brothers and sisters that welink ourselves immediately with
the religious right, or this isa problem I have on the liberal
side that we believe that, hey,we link it ourselves with this
sort of justice motif, that weare doing God's work.
Now you may fall as my listener.
(14:19):
You may fall at either end andthere are more arguments that
can be made on both sides.
But if we're talking aboutJesus and we're talking about
where we fall and where weshould fall, I take the words of
Dr King as a quote, that wespoke in the very beginning,
that the church is not themaster of the state, that the
(14:41):
church is called to be theconscience of the state.
We are taught to be not leaningnecessarily on one political
side but to be neutral.
Why?
Because we have people who are.
We serve people on both sidesof the aisle and the church
should be the same.
I remember being a part of acongregation and I myself could
(15:02):
be very opinionated, but I hadto remain silent on a lot of
political issues because we hadpeople who were part of our
congregation were on both sidesof the political aisle that we
were careful not to offend, tonot draw people away.
So if we reflect upon this kindof political theology, then
(15:24):
this provides a clear roadmap ofhow we should look forward.
Right, that we should not putour hope and faith in political
parties.
Right, and an awful lot ofChristians are doing this.
They're getting into the dirtygame of politics because it is a
dirty game of politics and youknow it's a political season
(15:44):
right now.
And what's problematic isinstances like when political
candidates go to churches andwhen they do that and they stand
in the pulpit and they say votefor me.
Right, which is they may notsee that verbally, but their
(16:05):
very presence in that pulpit,that the pastor and church
leaders allow them to be in thatspace.
Right, is an endorsement.
Right, they only come duringthe year, during the political
season, in a presidentialelection year, when they need
votes.
Right, this is the dirty gameof politics In the church.
(16:26):
We have to be very, verycareful and I would say to you
any church that does that, youshould be suspect.
Right, because what they'redoing is drawing a hard line and
saying this is God's politicalparty.
You think about what Jesus said?
Right, that my kingdom is notof this world, right.
(16:48):
So when we play the dirty gameof politics.
We're teaching people whichside of the aisle they should
stand on, when all politicianshave one goal what?
To get elected.
Right, that's their goal.
But this is not what Christiansshould do.
That we shouldn't split theapple this way, so to speak.
(17:08):
Right, that the Bible doesn'ttell us which side to vote on.
Right, jesus said in MatthewGospel all authority in heaven
and earth has been given to me.
So what does this lead us tothink like that?
Jesus is the one that hasauthority, and we should look to
the New Testament to give usguidance and look to the Holy
(17:30):
Spirit to give us guidance.
I'm not saying we have a blindeye.
You can see through thisepisode.
We've talked about what'shappening in our world today,
but, more importantly, god isthe final authority, and God is
calling us to be a communitythat demonstrates what justice
(17:51):
and truth should look like, whatcommunity, what love, what
mercy, what grace, what thesethings should look like, and
that's what's most important.
(18:26):
Okay, so the next logicalquestion is this how should you?
I want to hear from you, howshould you participate in
politics?
How should you engage inpolitics?
I want you to hear.
I want to hear from you, uh, atthe top.
There's a link at the top ofthe description where you can
send a note or email.
It'll go directly to me and Ican read it and I can address
that.
So I would love to.
(18:46):
It's called fan mail.
It's at the top.
So, right here in thedescription, at the top, you'll
see a little link and you canclick on it and you can just
send me a message.
You'll see a little link andyou can click on it and you can
just send me a message to let meknow your thoughts on this
topic.
If this topic resonated with youor gave you at least another
perspective, I would love tohear from you about this topic.
And in closing, I would saythis I would say that we in the
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church must understand that, yes, it is true that the church is
not just about going to heaven.
Right, the church has somethingto say, but the angle by which
we talk about it should be Jesusfirst.
Jesus should be the baseargument by which we address all
(19:33):
of these issues, and we need tolook to Jesus to be the ethical
example of how we engage theworld in politics.
That's the question I'll leavefor you and that we hope to pick
up in the next episode.
See you next time you.
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