June 10, 2025 • 28 mins
We’re back with another And Just Like That recap — and honestly? The metaphors are practically screaming this season. Carrie’s still clinging to the idea that Aiden 2.0 is going to magically give her the life she wanted 20 years ago (spoiler: he’s not), Miranda’s still out here collecting emotional chaos like it’s a side hustle, and Charlotte’s entire storyline continues to make zero sense for a woman who used to have an Ivy League admissions binder ready in preschool.
We break down the symbolism (rats in the garden, anyone?), the not-so-subtle commentary on aging and shrinking yourself to be “more desirable,” Seema’s battle with the "you’re too picky" narrative, and how this show refuses to let single, successful women just be without trying to humble them.
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Didology coach podcast and just like that recap.
Hello, Sarah. Hi, Krista.
Hi, All right. So people really aren't liking
this new season at all. They're not.
And while I obviously I'm going to say it's, it's obviously it's
not what it was, but I don't expect it to be.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't expect it to be what it
was. I'm finding what I like is I'm
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finding sort of the through waysand the threads.
I love the the symbols and the analogies and the metaphors.
True. That's that's what I like.
And this episode, I think had had a big one.
So the episode starts off with Carrie meeting Lissette, her
downstairs neighbor from her oldapartment.
And they're meeting for now, we all know between Lisette's style
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and her very drama fueled datinglife, we all know Lisette is
supposed to be a younger Carrie.Yeah, there's this great.
I did a, my I did a recap on TikTok.
And I have this photo and it's ashot from season one or two, I
think, where Carrie is down in the lobby of the building and
she's at the staircase. And she's looking in the mirror
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of the staircase. And in the reflection is Lizette
poking her head out from her door.
So there's Carrie looking in themirror, and she's seeing
Lizette. I just liked it.
I love stuff like that. So they meet for drinks, and
Lizette, who is a jewelry designer, gives Carrie this
really beautiful necklace she designed that had the numbers to
her old building on it. And Carrie loves it, of course.
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And Lizette is talking about modern dating and how terrible
it is. And she's the only relationship
she has with her phone is with her phone.
Yeah. And she's saying things like,
you must be so glad that you andAidan met each other before all
this, right? So then Carrie goes home and she
goes back to this, this, this apartment that's very old,
right? And she is out in the garden,
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sort of idyllic looking garden, and out of nowhere, a bunch of
rats come out from under a Bush.She freaks out and she has them
come in and tear up everything from the garden.
They have to do it all over again.
So we we see her in the in the episode, she's texting Aiden and
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she or she's thinking of textinghim and she writes out this long
text and then she's like, no, I'm not going to send this.
I'm not going to do this. So because she wanted to tell
him about the rats and she stopstexting him, I think because she
doesn't know if she's supposed to be doing this or not.
She does. The boundaries really aren't
clear, right? So somehow I don't know.
She turns around. Aiden's there, Yeah.
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I hated that. I hated the explanation too.
Like oh I just slipped in while one of the while the workers was
leaving. What?
Right. That's scary.
That's scary, Right. Right.
So she's so thrilled. You know, whatever they hook up,
he stays overnight. Wow, a whole night.
And in the morning, they're in the kitchen and she's at her
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table and she's reading a newspaper, which I thought was
really interesting. I thought it was great, sort of.
Again, it's I think it was a symbol of something.
Maybe meant to demonstrate growth in her character because
otherwise there there isn't any right other otherwise she's just
lucky. I think it has to.
I think it was there to be like,oh, she's not writing anymore
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because she's not just thinking about men anymore.
Well, she is writing. I mean, she does sort of resume
writing, Yeah. I didn't think anything could
give me the ick more than the phone sex, but Carrie Bradshaw
Historical fiction, it turns out.
Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad.
This was such a throwback to theSuffern episode too.
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It sort of. Was right, It sort of was, but I
think. It's just a rat with a cuter.
Outfit, right? I think what I interpreted the
newspaper, right. So you've got her going,
meeting, meeting Lizette, who isthe younger version of her, and
she has the necklace with her old apartment building on it.
And she's texting Aiden or not texting Aiden and thinking twice
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about it, doubting herself. And then she's in the kitchen.
She's reading a newspaper. And what I see this as is this
is Carrie very much struggling with letting go of the past of
moving or transitioning into this.
Not so much in every other aspect of her life, by the way.
But let me I'm going to give youanother example.
So she hires this gardener who'slooks like Tom Hardy, Hot as
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fuck, please. I guess he's coming back this
season, hopefully. And they're talking about the
garden and what she's looking for.
And he says, Carrie, I have one question that I ask all my
clients. What is your vision for this
garden? And she says, you know, I don't
know. I liked it the way.
I liked it the way it was before.
Yeah, she's not just talking about the garden, she's talking
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about her and Aiden. Right, right.
Well, and I think to some extenther her old apt.
I picked up a couple of instances this episode where it
seemed like she was feeling nostalgic for her old place.
Right. Yeah.
She, I think, really is longing for her old life, not broke
Carrie. She wants all the money, but she
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wants her old life. She wants her apartment, but
more than anything she wants to date the Aiden from 20 years
ago. Well.
Yeah, he's obviously better. Right.
And when they first got back together, they were, they were
dating as though 20 years hadn'tpassed.
They were just picking up where things left off.
And as we saw, Aiden pretty muchforgot that he had three kids
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until one of them nearly died. And he had.
What happened? I don't know.
It just sounded like he was in. He was like 14.
He got drunk, he was doing drugsand he crashed the truck.
Yeah, he almost died. It was.
It was bad. Oh, that he almost died.
Well, he said he had a. Truck without almost died into
a. Tree.
Whatever, it doesn't matter. That's.
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
So Aiden gets that wake up call and he's thinking, OK, I've got
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to stay focused on my kids. And he can so effortlessly say,
so wait for me for five years, right?
Carrie wants to wants the Aiden who didn't have kids and who
made her the priority. We all do.
Right. But she's right.
And she also doesn't like that she writes this, this kind of
heartfelt text about why she wants this new table.
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You know, I'm thinking of looking at this table for our
house or our place. I don't know how she phrased it.
And she sent you know, and it's you know, it's this and it's
that. And this reminds me of you and
this reminds me of me and this reminds me of us.
And she sends him a picture of it.
And when he replies, he just replies with a thumb down,
thumbs down table, right? So this now that this is how
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their relationship and how they're communicating, she's
like, wait, I want the aid and that wanted to talk about
everything, right? He doesn't want to do that
anymore, right, because you're not his priority anymore because
his life, both of your lives areat least his significantly
changed. And I'm thinking, but carries
didn't, right? Carries didn't.
No, right? She just has more money.
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She just has more money. That's it carries.
Life is still very, very much the same.
Carrie is still very, very much the same.
So I, I don't know, I liked the symbol and the symbol isn't
there. And I liked the analogy of the
rats underneath, you know, in the garden where you think
everything's look, this is this is so great, this is so amazing.
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But when you look underneath, it's not that great.
There are rats, right? It's the same thing as her
relationship with Aiden. On the surface, it looks,
especially to outsiders, it looks like things are so great,
but what's going on underneath isn't great.
Like there really is trouble brewing.
Even know if it looks good to outsiders, right?
I feel like Anthony, it was sortof like the, you know, the
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collective voice of the audiencein the last episode, right?
And her friends are pretty much just humoring her at this point.
You know, they're in their mid 50s.
Miranda just doesn't have the energy anymore to be like this
is delulu. Get a grip.
But also, now that we're moving to Miranda, I don't feel that
Miranda. I think Miranda feels too out of
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sorts. That's the other thing she
probably feels like she doesn't have a right to.
She doesn't. Have a right to have to be able
to say wake up Carrie. Yeah, you know.
He is bad for you. He is bad for you right after.
Listen, one word, Che. That's it.
That's all we have to say to Miranda to shut her the fuck up.
So I don't think she's in this place where Miranda can dish out
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that kind of criticism. Her and Charlotte both, I think
they both know this relation. This is not good.
And it could be Seema, but she'snot doing it either.
Yeah, Seema's too new is the problem.
Right seem as too new. But it it really should be her.
She's she's in a place to be thevoice of reason.
Now, in this episode, Miranda yet again shows that she's way
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more comfortable with people whoare below her station, right?
Because of the waiter. The waiter, Steve, was the
bartender. Che was a comic.
It was interesting the age gap with the the server because that
server was like, I don't know, clearly at least 20 years
younger. And it kind of gave me the ick
(09:16):
because if I saw a man hitting on a woman 20 years younger,
that would give me the ick. Yeah.
I care for it. Yeah.
And I think the reason for that is they they needed someone
relatively young in the role to play a wait, you know, a wait
staff person. Well, I'm glad nothing came of
it because. Right, but this is.
Yeah. But when she meets this, this
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BBC journalist, of course, she'sall these excuses why?
No, no, no, no, no, I can't, youknow, work and this and that
because she cannot be with someone on her level.
She can't, Miranda. I think I think this I so a
criticism that I've been seeing that people don't like of this
season is that people feel like Miranda has gotten lost.
(09:58):
Like basically Miranda got rewritten as Cynthia Nixon,
which should I think it's just she kind of did.
So there's there's some truth tothat critique for sure, but I
think it does make sense for hercharacter, you know, coming out
in midlife, like right how how would she know how to be a
lesbian? And not only, not only that, so
(10:18):
coming out and exploring her sexual identity interface,
changing jobs, changing careers,going back to school, going
through a divorce, that's a lot it is.
People are really under underplaying this is this is
just a whirlwind for her and she's hanging on for dear life.
Right. I think that's coming through in
(10:41):
the. In the I think so too.
But people, because they're so attached to the Ridge
characters, they're not allowingthese characters to change.
True, they're not. They want them all to be.
And I and I do. I feel like you know those
friends that when you start being really happy and
successful, whatever they try to, they try to drag you back
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down. I'm not familiar with that.
I've never been happy or successful but.
Whatever. You know what I mean.
When right like they don't want you to be happy because they
need you to be miserable like them, They don't or.
Whatever. Or it's a competition.
Or you know, right? Yeah, they don't want to see
these women happy at all. They don't.
They don't. No, I, I saw, I don't remember
(11:23):
if it was a video or something Iread because I've, I've been,
you know, partaking of various media and other people's review
of the show. But somewhere I encountered the
idea that, oh, Carrie just needsto be a cougar.
She needs to go after a young guy and just have fun.
And I was like that. I don't think that's it.
I don't, I don't think that's the way either.
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I don't think Aiden's it. I don't think Cougar's it.
I think Carrie has kind of been written into a corner.
She has. She has.
Simply because we had to kill off big.
Well, they didn't have what theychose to at first because the
allegations came out afterwards.Yeah, but we we had to kill off
big. Right.
He said he wasn't going to do it.
He wasn't going to do the show. He had to.
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They had to kill him off. He'd do with the the premiere,
but that was it. They want Carrie to be the
single Carrie who was dating, right?
And I think this is the other thing.
Yeah, it was fun watching Carriedate, but it was more
interesting. I think we learned more about
her when she was in relationships.
For sure, we learned a lot. Well, and most of the time she
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was dating, she was still preoccupied with Meg anyway.
Right, right. And I just feel as though they,
I don't, I don't know. I don't know.
Because part of me wonders if Samantha was was part of this
series, right? Yeah.
Would you still hate it? I don't think they would.
I don't. It's so hard to tell because
Seema obviously was brought in to bring a similar energy and I
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really do enjoy her character. I love her character.
But at the same time, she's too new to the friend group to be
the voice of reason, right? To tell Carrie she's being
delulu, Like she can't reign anybody in like Samantha would
have been able to. Right.
And I the other thing Samantha would have brought is she was a
little bit older and I think that would have been great.
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To see, I think so too, To see areally vibrant woman in her
sick. Yeah, especially I think it was
well, yeah, it must have been last season.
I think it was the first episodelast season.
It was basically the acknowledgement of 20 years
passing episode, right? Where Miranda, Miranda was like
critiquing. Sorry.
Charlotte was like, oh, Miranda,why, you know, why don't you go
back to red? And Miranda was like, I'm just
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trying to age gracefully, you know.
Do you remember that conversation?
Terry was like. Episode.
Yeah. Yeah, but I'm doing it right.
Right. That one.
I just feel like Samantha would have brought so much to that
conversation. But anyway, anyway, it's yeah,
it's hard to know what what we'dbe talking about if Samantha was
here. I do miss her though.
I do, and I also wish that they would do more scenes with one or
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both of the new cast members. Right.
We're not like we're not using them at all.
But they're they're, they're having their own storylines,
which is great. But I want to see them together.
I want to see we're missing thattoo.
We're missing that. Right.
Well, it's the whole initial critique, right, that there
were, there was no diversity in the show.
There still isn't because the show aren't interacting.
(14:18):
Right. Well, except for Charlotte and
Lisa True and Carrie and Seema. But there's something very odd
about how these women of color are not being incorporated into
this, Yeah, this, this clique. They don't go to the branches
right? Right.
And I, I wish they would. But now that we're talking about
Sema again, loved this storylinebecause so.
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Odd. I don't think it was.
OK, I was totally thrown off by Sid, because remember, Sid was
the surprise lesbian that went to the baseball game with
Miranda in season 1. Mm hmm.
Sid. Not Sidney.
Sid. I don't, I think they used Sid
and Sidney interchangeably, OK, in that episode.
OK. In any case, it was the same
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name. And so when Sidney popped up in
this episode, I was like, is this supposed to be that Sidney,
or did the writers really not like they didn't have a Jordan
or a Taylor? They've never heard another name
that could have been mistaken. It was a crazy choice.
I didn't to go with Sid again. Sydney and Sid because I think
they referred to her as Sid. But again, in any case, I loved
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this storyline or the subplot because I think it resonated
with a lot of single women, especially single women over 40,
where it's a woman very confident, knows what she wants,
has high standards, and everybody around her sees that
as sees her as the problem. Yeah, well, I think we all knew
that guy wasn't coming back fromthe bathroom, right?
Right, right. That was that was obvious.
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And when she first meets the matchmaker, the matchmaker tells
her you have to change your yourpresentation.
You know, these metallics, they're cold and the animal
prints make you look predatory and things like that.
But when the matchmaker does to Seema what Seema had just done
to all the men on her date, which is read them, and she
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reads her so well, Seema kind ofgoes, maybe I maybe I should.
Maybe this woman does know me. Maybe this woman, this stranger
that I've known for 3 1/2 minutes, knows me better than I
know me. Love that character.
The matchmaker, yeah, I did too.I did too.
I'd love to see her come back with Mary.
I don't care. Bring all these people back,
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please, because. And, and I think that's what's
so weird is the day players, theguest stars, yeah, are a lot
more interesting than the right the main character.
Kristen Schaal was in this episode.
She was great. Kristen Schaal.
The college admissions counselor.
Yes, who? Where is she from?
She's in everything. She's she's in everything.
She's in the Last man on Earth. She's the voice of Louise and
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Bob's Burgers. She's been a whole bunch of
stuff. So Seema agrees to make these
changes and wear pastels and straighten her hair.
If I see that again, I'll tell you again.
Really, I can't stand when they straighten woman's hair to try
to make them seem more approachable or less sema
already. Has like pretty straight hair,
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like it's got some bend to it, but it's like it doesn't have
curly hair. It's very.
Body. No.
It's a lot of body too, right? They made everything about her
smaller, including her hair. That's how I look at it.
They wanted her to shrink, They really did.
She looked basically the same but in.
I don't think she looked the same at all.
Not the same, not at all. And so she shows up to this date
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where this guy is, you know, he's he's really enjoying Seema.
And so Seema decides to tell him, well, this isn't really me.
I'm a lot more this and that. And he excuses himself to go to
the bathroom after he orders dessert.
And in comes the matchmaker, because she was watching.
Yeah. And she's saying, Seema, your
date, he he's gone, he left, he's not coming back.
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And again, the matchmaker is trying to make Seema feel as
though see, you know you lost a good one because basically, you
were you. When women hear enough times,
maybe you're too picky. It's near impossible not to
start wondering. Well, maybe I am.
It's near impossible not to start second guessing yourself.
For. Sure, right, and.
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There's a, there's an inclination toward humility, I
think, right in most decent people, right?
Most of us don't come out of thewomb like I'm flawless, right?
We all kind of realize like we're a work in progress.
So I think it's good to be open to hearing areas of potential
improvement. So I I get why she was open to
it. Right.
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In theory. In theory.
Until she met the guy and then obviously it wasn't, you know?
But what the reason why women are told they're too picky is
it's again, this is being told to women who typically have
their shit together and are independent and confident and
don't need male validation. And So what does society have to
do? But they have to take her down a
peg and they have to blame her because that's what we're
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responsible for, everything. Well, that and doesn't Miranda
say in episode one season 1 likethey don't know what to do with
us? Right.
Well, she's saying that about married women.
OK, they don't know what to do. Whatever, I think the matchmaker
probably was married, right? Team marriage, anyway.
Right, they don't. They don't know what to do with
us. Yeah, they don't know.
(19:19):
Yeah, they don't know what to dowith us, whether they should
feel sorry for us, envious, likewhether we're just there for
their entertainment. Correct.
Yeah, Seema, of course, tells the the matchmaker to go fuck
herself. And she goes off and she, you
know, remains herself. She goes back to her old who she
was. She remembers who she was
because for a second she allowedthis dipshit to tell her who she
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was. Right.
So we love. We love.
AI, which I think we all would have, we all would have done
right. We all would have been like,
I'll try something new. Right, right.
Tried it and she didn't like it.That's it.
Simple. So and then we come to
Charlotte. I'm so bored by Charlotte's
whole life. I'm so she is your stereotypical
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Upper East Side mother. What's happening with rock?
Are they as rock? Is the rock like not
transitioning anymore? Is Rocky transitioning?
I feel. Like I don't think, I don't know
that rock was ever transitioning.
Rock was just non binary. OK, Rock was not.
Trans OK. Rock just went.
It was such a it was such a central part of Charlotte's
story. Right.
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And I thought it was an interesting part of the story.
It was. I like when they throw things at
Charlotte that throw her off. Kilter.
So I guess this, yeah, I guess this time the thing that's
trying to throw her off Kilter is supposed to be like Lily's
future prospects, I guess. Maybe I don't, I don't know.
This whole thing with the college counselor, first of all,
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first of all, it's so unlike Charlotte and Lisa not to
already have that woman's phone number, right?
Have their children working withher.
I'm to believe that Charlotte and Lisa were both like, we'll
be nonchalant about this, it'll be fine.
Absolutely. You wouldn't.
Neither of them would. Correct, correct.
They've been planning for this since their kids were in
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preschool, not even kindergarten.
Right. So that whole storyline, I
can't, dude. I can't.
These are accomplished, educatedwomen, and when it comes to
being parents, they become absolute buffoons.
That's what I can't stand. It's Buffoon.
I just think it, it was an unbelievable plot point to be
like, Oh yeah, suddenly they're very hardcore.
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It's just not true to their characters, right?
They're both very intense all the time, especially about their
children. Yeah, yeah, it didn't make
sense. And how about the fact that she
was perfectly OK with the daughter making out with the
ballet dancer? Yeah.
Are we going to address that agegap?
I. Think he's only 18?
Maybe. I think he's only 18, but it's
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going to turn. Out yeah, she would, but she
would be fine with the making out right because last season
she bought Lily condoms to yeah,pretty.
Yeah, maybe, I don't know, maybein the wake.
Of you said people don't like the season, it's it's pretty, I
don't know, I'm pretty nonplussed about it.
Like, it definitely could be worse.
Obviously it could be better. But can we all just count our
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blessings and just be thankful we haven't seen Brady yet?
Thank God. Or Steve, and I love that
character, but they made them inso I mean, they just made the
men so useless. You know what, I would bet that
we're going to see Steve this season, but it's it's going to
be like we saw Steve the last time he and Miranda broke up
when he was dating that woman from Long Island.
(22:37):
The Tacky 1. Debbie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's going to be with somebody
tacky for sure. Right.
And had so happy. I hope so.
Yeah. I hope so because I I feel for
him. I really do.
Yeah, so to to sort of close offCharlotte and Lisa's story, it
was just a dumb storyline and I can't stand.
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And The thing is, didn't didn't she return to work?
Thank you. We did this whole thing about
getting Charlotte a job, right? And this whole bit about like,
oh, we got to get over eats because mom's not around for
dinner. Like, why aren't you ever at
work then? Right.
And when you are. Look at this bakery.
What day is it? Go to work.
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When you are at work, why are you looking up this college
fucking recruitment or whatever she does?
Why aren't you, you know, working, right?
Because you're a very smart person and you're very
accomplished and this was your dream job and you're excellent
at it. So do it right.
Why even at your job? Why are you being mom?
I mean, it's the same with Lisa,right?
(23:41):
I love Lisa do. I do.
But I also love that when she's working, she's working.
Fuck. Y'all go find your own lacrosse
stick. You go find your own tie.
I've got stuff to do. You plan your own goddamn
fundraiser? I have stuff to do.
But I have to assume that all ofthese interjections, right?
All of the ways that life breaksin, I have to assume we're
saying that with Charlotte and Lisa and their kids, because
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that is what happens to mothers who work.
They're, they're always kind of like 1 foot in one foot out, you
know? Yeah, yeah.
OK. That's fair.
That's fair. I just wish we could see
Charlotte work. I just who?
Otherwise, what was the point? Just show me more, show me more
than her just being a mother. And here's the thing, if that's
what she wanted right? Remember the cup with mug with
(24:26):
trays name on it, which I have figured out years later.
The fact that that it was Trey'sname on the mug and not hers was
how she has lost her identity and her identity became Trey at
this marriage. I didn't pick up on that when I
when I when that first aired many years ago.
But she chose, we know that she wanted to be a mother.
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She wanted to raise these kids, which was great if that's.
What she chooses. Phenomenal, right?
Right, I choose my choice. I choose my choice.
I choose my choice. You choose your choice again.
Oh wait, hold on. What about the scene when
they're at the restaurant because Miranda wants to ask the
the waitress out and and Carrie kind of goes, wait a minute, you
(25:07):
should have what? What does she say?
It's something that alludes to the bullshit bagels.
It did. Yes, it.
Really. Did it?
Really. Did and for Miranda not to call
back. I was pretty disappointed.
Right, right. We see there's so many
opportunities here, but Charlotte going back to work or
not working, whatever, it's great that that's what she
chose. But we saw her last year say,
(25:28):
hey, I don't want to be just this anymore.
This was fine for a while, but I'm not happy being just this
anymore. Play it about Charlotte and
Harry both in this reboot is like they're just not giving
them any story. They're not.
They're like this. I swear to God, if the only
conflict in Charlotte's life is Lily doesn't get into her first
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Correct, correct. One of them has to experience a
problem, right? Or there is no show.
I'm sure they will in later episodes, but that is the end of
this episode. You know what would have been
what would have been great? Actually A Lily abortion episode
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Come on, get on it. That's a freebie.
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Hello, Sarah. Hi, Krista.
Hi, All right. So people really aren't liking
this new season at all. They're not.
And while I obviously I'm going to say it's, it's obviously it's
not what it was, but I don't expect it to be.
Yeah, yeah. I didn't expect it to be what it
was. I'm finding what I like is I'm
(00:38):
finding sort of the through waysand the threads.
I love the the symbols and the analogies and the metaphors.
True. That's that's what I like.
And this episode, I think had had a big one.
So the episode starts off with Carrie meeting Lissette, her
downstairs neighbor from her oldapartment.
And they're meeting for now, we all know between Lisette's style
(00:59):
and her very drama fueled datinglife, we all know Lisette is
supposed to be a younger Carrie.Yeah, there's this great.
I did a, my I did a recap on TikTok.
And I have this photo and it's ashot from season one or two, I
think, where Carrie is down in the lobby of the building and
she's at the staircase. And she's looking in the mirror
(01:20):
of the staircase. And in the reflection is Lizette
poking her head out from her door.
So there's Carrie looking in themirror, and she's seeing
Lizette. I just liked it.
I love stuff like that. So they meet for drinks, and
Lizette, who is a jewelry designer, gives Carrie this
really beautiful necklace she designed that had the numbers to
her old building on it. And Carrie loves it, of course.
(01:45):
And Lizette is talking about modern dating and how terrible
it is. And she's the only relationship
she has with her phone is with her phone.
Yeah. And she's saying things like,
you must be so glad that you andAidan met each other before all
this, right? So then Carrie goes home and she
goes back to this, this, this apartment that's very old,
right? And she is out in the garden,
(02:08):
sort of idyllic looking garden, and out of nowhere, a bunch of
rats come out from under a Bush.She freaks out and she has them
come in and tear up everything from the garden.
They have to do it all over again.
So we we see her in the in the episode, she's texting Aiden and
(02:28):
she or she's thinking of textinghim and she writes out this long
text and then she's like, no, I'm not going to send this.
I'm not going to do this. So because she wanted to tell
him about the rats and she stopstexting him, I think because she
doesn't know if she's supposed to be doing this or not.
She does. The boundaries really aren't
clear, right? So somehow I don't know.
She turns around. Aiden's there, Yeah.
(02:49):
I hated that. I hated the explanation too.
Like oh I just slipped in while one of the while the workers was
leaving. What?
Right. That's scary.
That's scary, Right. Right.
So she's so thrilled. You know, whatever they hook up,
he stays overnight. Wow, a whole night.
And in the morning, they're in the kitchen and she's at her
(03:09):
table and she's reading a newspaper, which I thought was
really interesting. I thought it was great, sort of.
Again, it's I think it was a symbol of something.
Maybe meant to demonstrate growth in her character because
otherwise there there isn't any right other otherwise she's just
lucky. I think it has to.
I think it was there to be like,oh, she's not writing anymore
(03:31):
because she's not just thinking about men anymore.
Well, she is writing. I mean, she does sort of resume
writing, Yeah. I didn't think anything could
give me the ick more than the phone sex, but Carrie Bradshaw
Historical fiction, it turns out.
Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad.
This was such a throwback to theSuffern episode too.
(03:53):
It sort of. Was right, It sort of was, but I
think. It's just a rat with a cuter.
Outfit, right? I think what I interpreted the
newspaper, right. So you've got her going,
meeting, meeting Lizette, who isthe younger version of her, and
she has the necklace with her old apartment building on it.
And she's texting Aiden or not texting Aiden and thinking twice
(04:16):
about it, doubting herself. And then she's in the kitchen.
She's reading a newspaper. And what I see this as is this
is Carrie very much struggling with letting go of the past of
moving or transitioning into this.
Not so much in every other aspect of her life, by the way.
But let me I'm going to give youanother example.
So she hires this gardener who'slooks like Tom Hardy, Hot as
(04:39):
fuck, please. I guess he's coming back this
season, hopefully. And they're talking about the
garden and what she's looking for.
And he says, Carrie, I have one question that I ask all my
clients. What is your vision for this
garden? And she says, you know, I don't
know. I liked it the way.
I liked it the way it was before.
Yeah, she's not just talking about the garden, she's talking
(05:01):
about her and Aiden. Right, right.
Well, and I think to some extenther her old apt.
I picked up a couple of instances this episode where it
seemed like she was feeling nostalgic for her old place.
Right. Yeah.
She, I think, really is longing for her old life, not broke
Carrie. She wants all the money, but she
(05:22):
wants her old life. She wants her apartment, but
more than anything she wants to date the Aiden from 20 years
ago. Well.
Yeah, he's obviously better. Right.
And when they first got back together, they were, they were
dating as though 20 years hadn'tpassed.
They were just picking up where things left off.
And as we saw, Aiden pretty muchforgot that he had three kids
(05:44):
until one of them nearly died. And he had.
What happened? I don't know.
It just sounded like he was in. He was like 14.
He got drunk, he was doing drugsand he crashed the truck.
Yeah, he almost died. It was.
It was bad. Oh, that he almost died.
Well, he said he had a. Truck without almost died into
a. Tree.
Whatever, it doesn't matter. That's.
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
So Aiden gets that wake up call and he's thinking, OK, I've got
(06:06):
to stay focused on my kids. And he can so effortlessly say,
so wait for me for five years, right?
Carrie wants to wants the Aiden who didn't have kids and who
made her the priority. We all do.
Right. But she's right.
And she also doesn't like that she writes this, this kind of
heartfelt text about why she wants this new table.
(06:28):
You know, I'm thinking of looking at this table for our
house or our place. I don't know how she phrased it.
And she sent you know, and it's you know, it's this and it's
that. And this reminds me of you and
this reminds me of me and this reminds me of us.
And she sends him a picture of it.
And when he replies, he just replies with a thumb down,
thumbs down table, right? So this now that this is how
(06:49):
their relationship and how they're communicating, she's
like, wait, I want the aid and that wanted to talk about
everything, right? He doesn't want to do that
anymore, right, because you're not his priority anymore because
his life, both of your lives areat least his significantly
changed. And I'm thinking, but carries
didn't, right? Carries didn't.
No, right? She just has more money.
(07:10):
She just has more money. That's it carries.
Life is still very, very much the same.
Carrie is still very, very much the same.
So I, I don't know, I liked the symbol and the symbol isn't
there. And I liked the analogy of the
rats underneath, you know, in the garden where you think
everything's look, this is this is so great, this is so amazing.
(07:30):
But when you look underneath, it's not that great.
There are rats, right? It's the same thing as her
relationship with Aiden. On the surface, it looks,
especially to outsiders, it looks like things are so great,
but what's going on underneath isn't great.
Like there really is trouble brewing.
Even know if it looks good to outsiders, right?
I feel like Anthony, it was sortof like the, you know, the
(07:51):
collective voice of the audiencein the last episode, right?
And her friends are pretty much just humoring her at this point.
You know, they're in their mid 50s.
Miranda just doesn't have the energy anymore to be like this
is delulu. Get a grip.
But also, now that we're moving to Miranda, I don't feel that
Miranda. I think Miranda feels too out of
(08:12):
sorts. That's the other thing she
probably feels like she doesn't have a right to.
She doesn't. Have a right to have to be able
to say wake up Carrie. Yeah, you know.
He is bad for you. He is bad for you right after.
Listen, one word, Che. That's it.
That's all we have to say to Miranda to shut her the fuck up.
So I don't think she's in this place where Miranda can dish out
(08:32):
that kind of criticism. Her and Charlotte both, I think
they both know this relation. This is not good.
And it could be Seema, but she'snot doing it either.
Yeah, Seema's too new is the problem.
Right seem as too new. But it it really should be her.
She's she's in a place to be thevoice of reason.
Now, in this episode, Miranda yet again shows that she's way
(08:54):
more comfortable with people whoare below her station, right?
Because of the waiter. The waiter, Steve, was the
bartender. Che was a comic.
It was interesting the age gap with the the server because that
server was like, I don't know, clearly at least 20 years
younger. And it kind of gave me the ick
(09:16):
because if I saw a man hitting on a woman 20 years younger,
that would give me the ick. Yeah.
I care for it. Yeah.
And I think the reason for that is they they needed someone
relatively young in the role to play a wait, you know, a wait
staff person. Well, I'm glad nothing came of
it because. Right, but this is.
Yeah. But when she meets this, this
(09:37):
BBC journalist, of course, she'sall these excuses why?
No, no, no, no, no, I can't, youknow, work and this and that
because she cannot be with someone on her level.
She can't, Miranda. I think I think this I so a
criticism that I've been seeing that people don't like of this
season is that people feel like Miranda has gotten lost.
(09:58):
Like basically Miranda got rewritten as Cynthia Nixon,
which should I think it's just she kind of did.
So there's there's some truth tothat critique for sure, but I
think it does make sense for hercharacter, you know, coming out
in midlife, like right how how would she know how to be a
lesbian? And not only, not only that, so
(10:18):
coming out and exploring her sexual identity interface,
changing jobs, changing careers,going back to school, going
through a divorce, that's a lot it is.
People are really under underplaying this is this is
just a whirlwind for her and she's hanging on for dear life.
Right. I think that's coming through in
(10:41):
the. In the I think so too.
But people, because they're so attached to the Ridge
characters, they're not allowingthese characters to change.
True, they're not. They want them all to be.
And I and I do. I feel like you know those
friends that when you start being really happy and
successful, whatever they try to, they try to drag you back
(11:01):
down. I'm not familiar with that.
I've never been happy or successful but.
Whatever. You know what I mean.
When right like they don't want you to be happy because they
need you to be miserable like them, They don't or.
Whatever. Or it's a competition.
Or you know, right? Yeah, they don't want to see
these women happy at all. They don't.
They don't. No, I, I saw, I don't remember
(11:23):
if it was a video or something Iread because I've, I've been,
you know, partaking of various media and other people's review
of the show. But somewhere I encountered the
idea that, oh, Carrie just needsto be a cougar.
She needs to go after a young guy and just have fun.
And I was like that. I don't think that's it.
I don't, I don't think that's the way either.
(11:43):
I don't think Aiden's it. I don't think Cougar's it.
I think Carrie has kind of been written into a corner.
She has. She has.
Simply because we had to kill off big.
Well, they didn't have what theychose to at first because the
allegations came out afterwards.Yeah, but we we had to kill off
big. Right.
He said he wasn't going to do it.
He wasn't going to do the show. He had to.
(12:05):
They had to kill him off. He'd do with the the premiere,
but that was it. They want Carrie to be the
single Carrie who was dating, right?
And I think this is the other thing.
Yeah, it was fun watching Carriedate, but it was more
interesting. I think we learned more about
her when she was in relationships.
For sure, we learned a lot. Well, and most of the time she
(12:26):
was dating, she was still preoccupied with Meg anyway.
Right, right. And I just feel as though they,
I don't, I don't know. I don't know.
Because part of me wonders if Samantha was was part of this
series, right? Yeah.
Would you still hate it? I don't think they would.
I don't. It's so hard to tell because
Seema obviously was brought in to bring a similar energy and I
(12:48):
really do enjoy her character. I love her character.
But at the same time, she's too new to the friend group to be
the voice of reason, right? To tell Carrie she's being
delulu, Like she can't reign anybody in like Samantha would
have been able to. Right.
And I the other thing Samantha would have brought is she was a
little bit older and I think that would have been great.
(13:12):
To see, I think so too, To see areally vibrant woman in her
sick. Yeah, especially I think it was
well, yeah, it must have been last season.
I think it was the first episodelast season.
It was basically the acknowledgement of 20 years
passing episode, right? Where Miranda, Miranda was like
critiquing. Sorry.
Charlotte was like, oh, Miranda,why, you know, why don't you go
back to red? And Miranda was like, I'm just
(13:34):
trying to age gracefully, you know.
Do you remember that conversation?
Terry was like. Episode.
Yeah. Yeah, but I'm doing it right.
Right. That one.
I just feel like Samantha would have brought so much to that
conversation. But anyway, anyway, it's yeah,
it's hard to know what what we'dbe talking about if Samantha was
here. I do miss her though.
I do, and I also wish that they would do more scenes with one or
(13:56):
both of the new cast members. Right.
We're not like we're not using them at all.
But they're they're, they're having their own storylines,
which is great. But I want to see them together.
I want to see we're missing thattoo.
We're missing that. Right.
Well, it's the whole initial critique, right, that there
were, there was no diversity in the show.
There still isn't because the show aren't interacting.
(14:18):
Right. Well, except for Charlotte and
Lisa True and Carrie and Seema. But there's something very odd
about how these women of color are not being incorporated into
this, Yeah, this, this clique. They don't go to the branches
right? Right.
And I, I wish they would. But now that we're talking about
Sema again, loved this storylinebecause so.
(14:40):
Odd. I don't think it was.
OK, I was totally thrown off by Sid, because remember, Sid was
the surprise lesbian that went to the baseball game with
Miranda in season 1. Mm hmm.
Sid. Not Sidney.
Sid. I don't, I think they used Sid
and Sidney interchangeably, OK, in that episode.
OK. In any case, it was the same
(15:01):
name. And so when Sidney popped up in
this episode, I was like, is this supposed to be that Sidney,
or did the writers really not like they didn't have a Jordan
or a Taylor? They've never heard another name
that could have been mistaken. It was a crazy choice.
I didn't to go with Sid again. Sydney and Sid because I think
they referred to her as Sid. But again, in any case, I loved
(15:25):
this storyline or the subplot because I think it resonated
with a lot of single women, especially single women over 40,
where it's a woman very confident, knows what she wants,
has high standards, and everybody around her sees that
as sees her as the problem. Yeah, well, I think we all knew
that guy wasn't coming back fromthe bathroom, right?
Right, right. That was that was obvious.
(15:46):
And when she first meets the matchmaker, the matchmaker tells
her you have to change your yourpresentation.
You know, these metallics, they're cold and the animal
prints make you look predatory and things like that.
But when the matchmaker does to Seema what Seema had just done
to all the men on her date, which is read them, and she
(16:06):
reads her so well, Seema kind ofgoes, maybe I maybe I should.
Maybe this woman does know me. Maybe this woman, this stranger
that I've known for 3 1/2 minutes, knows me better than I
know me. Love that character.
The matchmaker, yeah, I did too.I did too.
I'd love to see her come back with Mary.
I don't care. Bring all these people back,
(16:28):
please, because. And, and I think that's what's
so weird is the day players, theguest stars, yeah, are a lot
more interesting than the right the main character.
Kristen Schaal was in this episode.
She was great. Kristen Schaal.
The college admissions counselor.
Yes, who? Where is she from?
She's in everything. She's she's in everything.
She's in the Last man on Earth. She's the voice of Louise and
(16:51):
Bob's Burgers. She's been a whole bunch of
stuff. So Seema agrees to make these
changes and wear pastels and straighten her hair.
If I see that again, I'll tell you again.
Really, I can't stand when they straighten woman's hair to try
to make them seem more approachable or less sema
already. Has like pretty straight hair,
(17:12):
like it's got some bend to it, but it's like it doesn't have
curly hair. It's very.
Body. No.
It's a lot of body too, right? They made everything about her
smaller, including her hair. That's how I look at it.
They wanted her to shrink, They really did.
She looked basically the same but in.
I don't think she looked the same at all.
Not the same, not at all. And so she shows up to this date
(17:32):
where this guy is, you know, he's he's really enjoying Seema.
And so Seema decides to tell him, well, this isn't really me.
I'm a lot more this and that. And he excuses himself to go to
the bathroom after he orders dessert.
And in comes the matchmaker, because she was watching.
Yeah. And she's saying, Seema, your
date, he he's gone, he left, he's not coming back.
(17:54):
And again, the matchmaker is trying to make Seema feel as
though see, you know you lost a good one because basically, you
were you. When women hear enough times,
maybe you're too picky. It's near impossible not to
start wondering. Well, maybe I am.
It's near impossible not to start second guessing yourself.
For. Sure, right, and.
(18:16):
There's a, there's an inclination toward humility, I
think, right in most decent people, right?
Most of us don't come out of thewomb like I'm flawless, right?
We all kind of realize like we're a work in progress.
So I think it's good to be open to hearing areas of potential
improvement. So I I get why she was open to
it. Right.
(18:37):
In theory. In theory.
Until she met the guy and then obviously it wasn't, you know?
But what the reason why women are told they're too picky is
it's again, this is being told to women who typically have
their shit together and are independent and confident and
don't need male validation. And So what does society have to
do? But they have to take her down a
peg and they have to blame her because that's what we're
(18:59):
responsible for, everything. Well, that and doesn't Miranda
say in episode one season 1 likethey don't know what to do with
us? Right.
Well, she's saying that about married women.
OK, they don't know what to do. Whatever, I think the matchmaker
probably was married, right? Team marriage, anyway.
Right, they don't. They don't know what to do with
us. Yeah, they don't know.
(19:19):
Yeah, they don't know what to dowith us, whether they should
feel sorry for us, envious, likewhether we're just there for
their entertainment. Correct.
Yeah, Seema, of course, tells the the matchmaker to go fuck
herself. And she goes off and she, you
know, remains herself. She goes back to her old who she
was. She remembers who she was
because for a second she allowedthis dipshit to tell her who she
(19:42):
was. Right.
So we love. We love.
AI, which I think we all would have, we all would have done
right. We all would have been like,
I'll try something new. Right, right.
Tried it and she didn't like it.That's it.
Simple. So and then we come to
Charlotte. I'm so bored by Charlotte's
whole life. I'm so she is your stereotypical
(20:04):
Upper East Side mother. What's happening with rock?
Are they as rock? Is the rock like not
transitioning anymore? Is Rocky transitioning?
I feel. Like I don't think, I don't know
that rock was ever transitioning.
Rock was just non binary. OK, Rock was not.
Trans OK. Rock just went.
It was such a it was such a central part of Charlotte's
story. Right.
(20:25):
And I thought it was an interesting part of the story.
It was. I like when they throw things at
Charlotte that throw her off. Kilter.
So I guess this, yeah, I guess this time the thing that's
trying to throw her off Kilter is supposed to be like Lily's
future prospects, I guess. Maybe I don't, I don't know.
This whole thing with the college counselor, first of all,
(20:46):
first of all, it's so unlike Charlotte and Lisa not to
already have that woman's phone number, right?
Have their children working withher.
I'm to believe that Charlotte and Lisa were both like, we'll
be nonchalant about this, it'll be fine.
Absolutely. You wouldn't.
Neither of them would. Correct, correct.
They've been planning for this since their kids were in
(21:09):
preschool, not even kindergarten.
Right. So that whole storyline, I
can't, dude. I can't.
These are accomplished, educatedwomen, and when it comes to
being parents, they become absolute buffoons.
That's what I can't stand. It's Buffoon.
I just think it, it was an unbelievable plot point to be
like, Oh yeah, suddenly they're very hardcore.
(21:33):
It's just not true to their characters, right?
They're both very intense all the time, especially about their
children. Yeah, yeah, it didn't make
sense. And how about the fact that she
was perfectly OK with the daughter making out with the
ballet dancer? Yeah.
Are we going to address that agegap?
I. Think he's only 18?
Maybe. I think he's only 18, but it's
(21:54):
going to turn. Out yeah, she would, but she
would be fine with the making out right because last season
she bought Lily condoms to yeah,pretty.
Yeah, maybe, I don't know, maybein the wake.
Of you said people don't like the season, it's it's pretty, I
don't know, I'm pretty nonplussed about it.
Like, it definitely could be worse.
Obviously it could be better. But can we all just count our
(22:15):
blessings and just be thankful we haven't seen Brady yet?
Thank God. Or Steve, and I love that
character, but they made them inso I mean, they just made the
men so useless. You know what, I would bet that
we're going to see Steve this season, but it's it's going to
be like we saw Steve the last time he and Miranda broke up
when he was dating that woman from Long Island.
(22:37):
The Tacky 1. Debbie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's going to be with somebody
tacky for sure. Right.
And had so happy. I hope so.
Yeah. I hope so because I I feel for
him. I really do.
Yeah, so to to sort of close offCharlotte and Lisa's story, it
was just a dumb storyline and I can't stand.
(22:58):
And The thing is, didn't didn't she return to work?
Thank you. We did this whole thing about
getting Charlotte a job, right? And this whole bit about like,
oh, we got to get over eats because mom's not around for
dinner. Like, why aren't you ever at
work then? Right.
And when you are. Look at this bakery.
What day is it? Go to work.
(23:19):
When you are at work, why are you looking up this college
fucking recruitment or whatever she does?
Why aren't you, you know, working, right?
Because you're a very smart person and you're very
accomplished and this was your dream job and you're excellent
at it. So do it right.
Why even at your job? Why are you being mom?
I mean, it's the same with Lisa,right?
(23:41):
I love Lisa do. I do.
But I also love that when she's working, she's working.
Fuck. Y'all go find your own lacrosse
stick. You go find your own tie.
I've got stuff to do. You plan your own goddamn
fundraiser? I have stuff to do.
But I have to assume that all ofthese interjections, right?
All of the ways that life breaksin, I have to assume we're
saying that with Charlotte and Lisa and their kids, because
(24:04):
that is what happens to mothers who work.
They're, they're always kind of like 1 foot in one foot out, you
know? Yeah, yeah.
OK. That's fair.
That's fair. I just wish we could see
Charlotte work. I just who?
Otherwise, what was the point? Just show me more, show me more
than her just being a mother. And here's the thing, if that's
what she wanted right? Remember the cup with mug with
(24:26):
trays name on it, which I have figured out years later.
The fact that that it was Trey'sname on the mug and not hers was
how she has lost her identity and her identity became Trey at
this marriage. I didn't pick up on that when I
when I when that first aired many years ago.
But she chose, we know that she wanted to be a mother.
(24:46):
She wanted to raise these kids, which was great if that's.
What she chooses. Phenomenal, right?
Right, I choose my choice. I choose my choice.
I choose my choice. You choose your choice again.
Oh wait, hold on. What about the scene when
they're at the restaurant because Miranda wants to ask the
the waitress out and and Carrie kind of goes, wait a minute, you
(25:07):
should have what? What does she say?
It's something that alludes to the bullshit bagels.
It did. Yes, it.
Really. Did it?
Really. Did and for Miranda not to call
back. I was pretty disappointed.
Right, right. We see there's so many
opportunities here, but Charlotte going back to work or
not working, whatever, it's great that that's what she
chose. But we saw her last year say,
(25:28):
hey, I don't want to be just this anymore.
This was fine for a while, but I'm not happy being just this
anymore. Play it about Charlotte and
Harry both in this reboot is like they're just not giving
them any story. They're not.
They're like this. I swear to God, if the only
conflict in Charlotte's life is Lily doesn't get into her first
(25:49):
choice Ivy, I'm not watching this show anymore.
Correct, correct. One of them has to experience a
problem, right? Or there is no show.
I'm sure they will in later episodes, but that is the end of
this episode. You know what would have been
what would have been great? Actually A Lily abortion episode
with Brady. Jesus Christ.
(26:10):
Brady's Oh my God. Listen, writers, get to it.
Come on, get on it. That's a freebie.
You're welcome. Right, that's a freebie.
You're welcome. Get all right, Get to yeah, Lily
and Brady back together, as muchas I hate Brady.
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I'm sorry. I have.
I had such a good idea just now.I have to share it.
OK, OK. You know how Lily is like
unintentionally but like kind ofa demon and a menace?
At least when she was like a toppler?
(26:52):
Yes. Like she hid the phone, Carrie
missed the call. OK, what if Carrie,
unintentionally, is the reason Lily doesn't get to go to the
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