August 26, 2025 • 34 mins
This week, Sarah and I had what I’m calling our “first fight” — over women getting engaged to their AI boyfriends. That debate led us straight into AI psychosis, grief, loneliness, and one very messy story about a woman who claimed she fell in love with her psychiatrist. It’s about empathy, boundaries, and why real connection matters more than any chatbot.
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(00:10):
Worth the Wait podcast. Hi, Sarah.
Hey. I want to talk about something
that happened with us and it hasto do with women getting engaged
to their AI boyfriends. Then this opens up the
conversation to the woman who fell in love with her
psychiatrist. I'm looking at these women who
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are they have AI boyfriends and.I've said.
That's what they tell us. And I said, I told Sarah I I
will always have a a sympathy empathy for people who feel
lonely, right? And I said to me, this is, you
know, this is either a trauma response because interacting
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with humans has just caused themso much pain, or they are just
profoundly lonely. And that was that was where I
was coming from then. And I was hearing a lot of about
AI psychosis. Yeah.
And we, we talked again last week about this, the fear.
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See, The thing is, Chachi PT, they can't, they can't tell what
they don't know if you're manic,they don't know if you're feel
experiencing some kind of full blown psychosis.
Chachi PT doesn't know that. And So what could end up
happening is the ChatGPT could end up fueling, let's say you're
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having delusions, could end up fueling the delusions, could end
up telling you things that lead you to hurt yourself.
Now, the AI psychosis obviously is going to lead into the woman
who fell in love with her therapist, but it's also going
to lead into, you know, we've seen stories like this, right?
The woman who believes she was being stalked by the feds.
(01:56):
Fucking Coco Briscoe. We've seen this right time and
time again, and this one. I feel this is a little
different. This feels different to me.
Yeah, because it's brand new. And I, I think it's important to
note here that AI psychosis is not a clinical term.
It's so new that, you know, obviously a psychiatrist,
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psychologists are talking about it, but AI psychosis has a term
I think came out of TikTok. Really.
I believe so but if if not TikTok it's it's somewhere from
the zeitgeist. It's not a not a clinical term.
It's not a diagnosis. OK, so this woman, her name is
Kendra Hilti, and she came on. She's an ADHD coach.
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Allegedly. Allegedly Yikes.
And she comes. She starts this series this
multi part series about how she fell in love with her
psychiatrist. I want to say it's 18 parts.
It's a lot, it's a lot, Ha ha, it's a lot.
And you really, you really got to be committed, really got to
be in it. And she's talking about this
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psychiatrist that she was seen once a month and he was
basically there to monitor her meds and he was an attractive
guy and she. Allegedly.
Found herself allegedly and she found herself attracted to him
and pretty soon over time, she she was she was saying that's
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when the you know, the obsession.
I couldn't stop thinking about him.
I was constantly daydreaming, which to me, we just spoke about
this, that to me I was like, that's limerance.
That's that. This is sounds like limerance to
me. Sure does.
Right. And so eventually she tells him
that she's attracted to him. And initially I thought, OK, so
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that means he's going to stop treating her.
He didn't. And initially I thought, God,
that's really bad. And I did again, not doing the
research. After doing research, realizing
it's probably he's going to stick this out because if she is
experiencing, say a manic episode or psychosis, he, he
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wants to treat her. That's job, right?
To, to make sure she doesn't hurt herself.
But the way she talked about their interactions, she's
talking, she she tells him one night about how she had a very
erotic dream about how they hooked up in his office.
Yeah. And he got like visibly
uncomfortable. And she said, and I, I just, I
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know it's because he looks like I, I caught him.
It's like I, you know, I called him out because that's something
that he's done. That's a, that's an image he's
had in his head. And that's when you really start
to to realize this woman is, I don't know.
I don't, you know, I'm not a therapist.
I'm not, I don't, I can't diagnose her.
But the more she talked about this relationship, the more it
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was so clear how delusional she was.
She's going through something. Yeah.
I mean, I, I think we can. I think it's probably safe to
say she's spiraling. Right, Yes, yes.
And she's talking about how because they always used to meet
online, I'm sure for a reason. And she finally says, oh, I
didn't realize you see people inperson.
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Can I come in person? And he agrees.
And when she sees him for the first time, she like goes over
and gives him a big hug. And listen, if you've ever been
to therapy, which she hasn't, which I think is a is it, it
plays a part here. If you go to therapy, you know
there's boundaries, right? You just you don't, you don't
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cross them. You don't, it doesn't get
personal. You don't do that.
This also she'd never wasn't therapy.
This is not a therapist. This is a psychiatrist, right?
That's an MD. She felt as though the fact that
he continued to treat her meant that he returned the interest.
Right, and I think it's important to note that that is
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despite knowing that he was onlyseeing her via zoom only.
The reason she got an in person appointment at all is because
one day the receptionist messed up and let slip that he had in
person appointments. As far as Ken Trudeau, this dude
was a Zoom psychiatrist only andso she slithered her way in
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there. And so eventually of of course,
because I'm assuming he wasn't returning, he wasn't matching
her energy as the kids say. Well, according to her, he
wasn't matching her energy, right?
She, well, she alleges, basically is that he's like an
emotional vampire, right? That he, he gave nothing, but he
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loved it. He sucked up the attention.
Right, right. He just loved, he loved like how
into him that she was and he gotoff on it.
And, you know, she eventually started calling him an abuser
now. She sure did.
Now she did that thing that I really, really hate is when she
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leads to a little breadcrumb trail to his identity.
And of course. He got doxed.
Immediately, guys, don't, don't,don't look.
He got doxed immediately. Immediately.
Yeah, you can very easily find out who he is.
Right. But now here's that.
Here's one of those extra layerswe were talking about.
He's a man of color. And it became very clear
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throughout all these, these and her, she's having these lives
and she's doing the, all the, the, the multi part series.
It's very clear he is nothing like she said he is.
She's, she's falsely accusing this, this man of color of being
an abuser, of taking advantage of his position of authority and
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thinking nothing of it, thinkingnothing of what she could be
doing to this man's. Career to his reputation if I
recall right Right. Doesn't she open this whole
series by saying it's fine, It'stime someone finally talks about
how men will go to Med school and study psychiatry and become
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doctors literally just to prey on women?
Like that's, that's her opener. So she's, you know, she's, she's
personally targeting this guy. But also, and I mean, listen, no
one's more upset that she's making me defend all men in
general than me, but she's goingafter men in general saying
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like, you know how you know why men get into the mental health
field? Because they're predators.
She's, she was just a woman scorned and she wanted, she
wanted revenge. And it, it just became very,
very clear. And you're, you're in this
situation and you're watching this.
And I, I don't know if she's experiencing any kind of
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psychosis. I don't know, right?
But that does not mean she's notresponsible for her behavior.
This is my question about the whole thing, and This is why I
sort. I sort of feel ambivalent about
giving her any more attention. I would not recommend watching
the TikTok series. I didn't even watch the whole
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series. I did see the first couple.
But I do wonder, are people gassing her up for their own
entertainment or do you think people actually believe her?
Here's the thing and I brought up that stocked by the feds
lady. Now this was a woman who claimed
that she had an affair with someguy who like older guy who was
on a reality show and that she found out he was married and she
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contacted his wife and when she did that he he like had her put
under, you know, watch from federal.
Agents, you know, something veryreasonable like that.
Something very reasonable like that.
And when I tell you, I mean the,the amount of people in her
comments like, Yep, no, I'm totally being stalked too.
(10:04):
And I'm this is totally real. And you can tell there's a lot
of mentally ill people who find these stories and they latch
onto them. And it's that's just it, right?
Right. It's disturbing.
It's. Disturbing and that I think was
and that was Kendra's goal when she started recording right
because she said Oh no one's talking about this.
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So she was specifically looking for people who would agree with
her, and I guess she found some percentage of them.
But I also think a good number of people are just like cruelly
watching for their own entertainment.
Yes, and that's that before we get into that, because that's a
very important topic, but Kendralost her job because of this
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good right. And because she like started
trauma dumping in the into a class about this and the owner
of the studio or the manager of the studio found out and was
like, hey, you know, can we can we meet?
Can we talk about this? And Kendra was like, no, So
Kendra basically fired herself. But of course, what did she do?
What did she do? I'm sure she was the victim.
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She was the victim. And of course, people found out
who this woman was, right? And they were all contacting
her. And I think a lot of people were
like, hey, we really feel bad about this.
But see, when I hear these stories immediately it's Coco
Briscoe 100%. Yeah.
But the difference, and this is what I was looking into, I like
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how do you tell if someone's legitimately experiencing some
kind of psychosis and and, and and malingering right where
they're faking it? It's.
Super hard to tell on the Internet because everybody is,
you know, projecting an image onthe Internet.
So I feel like only her psychiatrist, if she has one,
only her family and friends right, would really be able to
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know. Right.
I can't tell her she's being authentic.
I can't. I can't either.
Are you talking we're talking about Kendra here.
Yeah. Yeah, I can't.
I can't either. That's what's so concerning.
And it's the same thing with stock by the feds.
Now the difference. She does seem authentic to me.
She does. I don't know.
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I don't know what the situation is there.
I really, really don't. I know that there's a lot of
there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on with with
the stock by the feds woman, butI agree there there seems to be
some legitimate issues going on.But the thing that stuck out to
me when I was looking into how do how do you tell the
difference? And one thing that they said to
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look for is inconsistencies. And this was this was how I knew
Coco Briscoe was just fucking flat out lying, right?
Because she's talking about, Oh,I'm being gang stalked by these
bartenders and they spoke of violence against me.
Yet she would go to these bars knowing that they would be
there, knowing that they might be working there.
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And so that was a huge like whatthey're saying and what they
were doing there was there was there were two totally different
things. So almost like she was bullying
them. Almost like she was stalking
them. That's weird.
Yes, we have. If you do a search for, do a
search for Coco Briscoe on Spotify or wherever and our, our
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interviews with the people, I'llcall them her victims will come
up. It's, it's an insane story.
But as far as Kendra goes, a lotof mental health professionals
started coming out saying, you know, it's really dangerous the
way people are enabling this. And a lot of you are enabling if
you're on entertainment, But then there are other people who
are identifying with it, most likely because of their own
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mental illness. Correct.
And that is this is TikTok is the fact that TikTok never
intervened. You cannot you cannot get their
pages taken down like these people actively weaponize their
platforms to go after people they don't like.
And I'm glad at least that the Kendra Hilti situation seemed to
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have been nipped in the bud pretty quickly, right, because
people were very quickly going what's going on here?
They were, they weren't buying into it as the way they did with
stock by the feds and Coco Briscoe.
And I think maybe they learned from these situations.
Like, hold on, wait a minute. And a lot of these mental health
professionals are saying that and I agree, making fun of it.
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Listen, I don't like what she's doing to this guy whatsoever.
And I think she should be held accountable for that.
But making fun of her also, I'm,I'm also not OK with, you know,
because you're, you're making fun of someone who's deeply
mentally ill. I mean, here's what I'll say
about the the psychiatrist. I don't think this is his first
rodeo. You know what I'm saying?
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Like I said to you via text yesterday, like if everyone who,
quote UN quote fell in love withtheir psychiatrist got dropped
by their psychiatrist, nobody would have one.
I think he's been, I think a he knew this was coming and because
right, how could he not? Yeah.
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And BI think, you know, I think he's capable of managing this
himself. Like it's, it's not going to,
it's not going to ruin him. I hope not.
I hope not. He's going to be all right.
This thing, this kind of thing happens all the time.
Not usually to this scale like this made the national news.
Yeah, right away, yeah. Because it was getting so many
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views right. But like I said, there is that
layer to this of here's a white woman falsely accusing a man of
color, right? Well let let me go back to
something else real quick too. OK so I I have a couple of
examples where I had been aroundpeople in in the throes of
mania, didn't know till after. Yeah, that's what's, that's
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what's so scary is you. You might not be able to tell.
Yeah. You know, when people hear
psychosis, they think, oh, they're, they're off the walls
and they're just crazy and they're babbling.
No, no. And that's like this Kendra
person, I won't say she's convincing because I don't think
this is an act. I think there's there's she's
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going through some kind of mental health crisis.
It might be an act, not the mental health crisis itself, but
the, you know, a lot of people have have been speculating that
it's a manic episode. I I don't know if it is.
I feel like that is part that might be an act, But again, I
don't actually know her in real life.
And I just told you I wouldn't be able to tell so.
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Yeah, I, I mean, to me, it seemslike things with her are very
heightened, right? For sure.
And I think that is that, that is a, a red flag.
Everything's very heightened with her I this just feels like
escalation. Exactly, and that's that's
actually why I'm saying I can't tell if she's sincerely
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struggling with mental health orif this is all just because
she's she wants revenge. I have to say, Kendra gives me
Cocoa vibes. Yeah, me too, right.
Where if this doesn't go her way, she's going to do
something. She's going to, then it's going
to be, she's just going to keep the story going and going and
going and and. Seems that way.
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Right. And that's what I and really
it's that it's the escalation that scares me.
And I don't know, like you have a lot of a lot of therapists on
this app saying, I really hope the psychiatrist, I really hope
he has some kind of security, like they're all legitimately
concerned for this. Man, I bet he does now.
I bet he does now, but they're legitimately concerned for this
man. Oh yeah.
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I mean, sure, sure. Which just tells you what
they're seeing with her right now.
The other part to the story is she relies heavily on ChatGPT.
Yeah, heavily on chat. A little name.
But the I think even the chachi PT was like bro, this is this is
above my pay scale. I don't.
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I can't. Eventually, right?
Eventually, but this is where the AI psychosis comes in
because that chachi PT was fueling her up.
It was, it was, it was being very affirming.
Very. Yeah, just very comforting.
Like I said earlier, right. It was, it was basically telling
her like, oh, you're so perceptive and there's a there's
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a term for this and it happens all the time.
Yeah, it was. It was basically just confirming
what she already believed. And then there was another one
she used the name was Claude. And they were talking about her
saying you're an Oracle and you have this army of followers and
you know, you're you're startingthis movement.
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She was believing it. She's playing it on the live.
I mean, it just it so scares me how these platforms do not
intervene and how these people will gas these people up.
Like, you know, she's mentally ill, right?
And and the same thing with Coco.
Like dude, you knew she was justbeing fucking vindictive and you
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and you totally played along. What's also scary is these
people, they attract equally mentally ill people.
Now, what do you think is behindthese women with the AI
boyfriends and getting engaged? What do you think that's about?
Well. Like you said, it's obviously
loneliness and just frustration.Or a it could be a trauma
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response, right? Yeah.
Now, do you think that's dangerous?
I think it is worth noting that as far as I saw, it seemed to be
women in heterosexual AI relationships.
I did not see. Did you you see any examples of
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lesbian couples? No.
So that feels important, right? That women are, you know, again,
because of loneliness, trauma, or sheer frustration.
Are deciding fuck it AI is my boyfriend now.
Right, But there's, there's, andthis is you brought this up and
then I brought it up back to you.
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Women are pressured. They're they really are made to
feel like if you don't have malevalidation, your, your life is
just meaningless. You just have no value.
Women end up buying into that and thinking that something's
wrong with them. But also, you know, they feel
like they're missing out, right?They're missing out on all the
other milestones that other women get.
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You know, they get to get engaged and they get this and
they can. And this is their way of having
those milestones, because these things are given such importance
in our society, you know, and. Yeah, that's a good point.
And I, I mean, I'll even take itfurther and say it's not that
they feel like they're missing out, they are missing out,
right, because they're not having those experiences.
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But I feel like the problem is, you know, there are experiences
I don't get to have either, right?
Like nobody can have all the experiences, right?
It's just that, like you said, societally we've placed
disproportionate value on this handful of experiences that all
seem to be related to. Men.
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Being in a relationship with a man.
Right, Yeah. I mean, like I said, I will.
I will always have a very, very deep sense of empathy for
anybody who feels lonely, right?Like they're there's something's
driving them to do this. I was thinking up of it up to,
you know, as long as it can get them through the day.
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OK, but what if they start suffering some kind of going
through some sort of mental health crisis?
What if, what if they have a depressive episode?
What if the chachi PT encouragesit or fuels it and does it
because they can't identify it? So this is kind of like drugs,
right? It's, it's kind of like
substance abuse. Like, yeah, we we might be like
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when we look at the the options,we might be inclined to say when
someone is suffering, like, hey,whatever gets you through the
day, right? Yeah, whatever gets you through
the day. But then it becomes a bomb and,
and it does become a problem because you never deal with the
issue. So you asked me a few minutes
ago, like, did I think it was dangerous for women to be
involved in this Reddit thread where everyone has an AI
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boyfriend and they're sharing photos and I don't know, talking
about their vacations or whatever.
I, I think I think yes, but alsonot yet, right?
Because like you said, it's, I do agree with that sentiment.
Like, OK, whatever gets you through the day, right?
But that doesn't satisfy me because it it also presumes that
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there is an off ramp to some other better option.
And I know that there's a doctorshortage.
I know that we don't have enoughmental health support.
So in a lot of cases, like I'm not sure what to tell these
women to do instead because it'snot like we have ample resources
for everyone who needs them. Yep.
And it's not like mental health care isn't extremely expensive.
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That's what I mean, right? Like it's it's just it's a
resource issue. Yeah, it's it's not as simple as
you've got to go to therapy. Do you think, don't you think if
people could afford therapy, if people could have, you know,
they would go I. Hate to say this but therapy
really is a luxury good at this point.
Yeah, it really. At least here it is, Yeah.
Yes, in America, I mean, as so many things are food medication,
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right? Yeah.
So. I mean truly like I, I'll like,
I'll use myself as an example. Like you think I would love to
be in therapy, bro. Who has the time?
Truly, who could take the time off?
Work they. Work 9:00 to 5:00, bitch.
So do I. Right.
Yeah, it's. So does everyone.
Yeah, it's, it's not easy. And that's, and that's the other
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reason too, why I was saying, you know, maybe they're just
lonely and maybe it's somebody to talk to and makes them feel
seen. And I, I know that's how I felt,
but I also, I think I don't know.
It for sure is that I, I don't think anybody would disagree
with you on that take on it, right?
It's just that, like I said, forme, the reason it the reason I'm
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not content to let it stay thereis because it exposes some
pretty deep cracks in our infrastructure.
Yes, but what I will say is feeling seen.
It is, I think, one of those transformative experiences and
and I that that was how I felt with Sam and I really hope
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people aren't like, Oh my God, this is the dog.
Why? Why is she?
I hope people understand like the soul dog connection and all
that. But I think so.
Feeling seen, it's so healing, you know?
And rather than these women having like the AI boyfriend, I
would much rather see them just talking to each other about
feeling lonely. Yeah, that does seem better,
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right? Like a real community, even if
it's only online. Right, Even if it's only online
and you know, I'm just, I feel like I'm missing out and why
isn't anything working out? And I totally understand how
it's really sad and it's hurtfulwhen you're somebody who's
looking for a relationship and nothing's working out and you're
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seeing everybody and you're seeing it on social media and
everyone's getting engaged and everyone's so happy, I mean.
And make it look so easy. Right.
You know, it's just, it's not just AI, it's social media.
There's so many things that justattack our mental health and our
self esteem. Yes, that's.
Right. And like, of course people are
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going to turn to anything that'sgoing to make them feel seen and
make them feel less alone. It's just a lot of people don't
understand. It's, it's basically just
telling you what you want to hear because it's, you know,
you're giving it all. It's all your data It's hearing.
Literally how it's it's. Literally how it's programmed.
So I guess what I want to say islike, I think that finding a
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community of people online, if you are somebody who's maybe a
little, they rely a lot on Chachi PT for support or to feel
seen. I would encourage you not
necessarily to stop chat ChatGPT, but to certainly alter
the way you use it and become more aware of what the dangers
are, but also actively seek out some kind of community or start
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one yourself. Yeah, because it's kind of like
what I say, talk about dating apps.
That's not that shouldn't be theonly thing you rely on.
You need other be out in the wild, be out there talking to
people, meeting people. I feel the same about, you know,
if you're feeling sad or if you're feeling lonely or if
you're longing for connection, you know, you can get it online,
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but definitely try to to or or you can get it from a platform,
but also try to try to get it from people.
Yeah, well, I think online is isa fantastic place to start
though. Absolutely, Absolutely.
Because honestly, who who's evergoing to be like I have enough
friends. Right.
Especially. I'm not taking any more.
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Right. Especially as you get older, you
know, like there are so many Reddit communities for women
over 30, women over 40, you know, single.
There's there's just so many different communities online
that you could probably find that you could start.
If you're enterprising. Right or start.
There's so many different ways and I, I talk about my true
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crime discord all the time has changed me.
My has changed my life. I'm so grateful for it.
This community of women that don't just support me, but
absolutely tell me when I'm wrong.
And I'm so lucky because as muchas I didn't like having the
disagreement with you, I feel sograteful that I'm friends with
somebody who felt they could, who cared enough to take the
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time and be like, listen, this isn't good.
Here's why. This is why I feel that way
because a lot of people would have just been like go fuck
yourself but you weren't right and I to know that I have people
like that in my life. We also met online.
We also met online. That's right, we did.
She used to comment on my She's a comment on my blog years ago.
(28:26):
Circa O 8. Circa O 8 and listen my God,
it's been almost 20 years. Yeah, I think so.
Well, I, I don't know if it was literally 2008, but that feels
like the right era. Yeah, 2008 to 10:00-ish.
Yeah, yeah, 20 years, let's say 1515 is right.
But this is the type of relationship you can find
online. I have never had anybody in my
(28:48):
life that sees me. And not just sees me, but wants
to make sure I feel seen the waySarah does.
I've never met anybody. Like I'm going to fucking cry,
God. And I And every time I whenever
I cry on these things, the retention goes down.
Listen. Listen.
Well, then it's not OK. It's not OK.
Listen. The people have spoken.
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The people have spoken. You can find real community,
real friendship, real support online.
Can I give a shout out to a service that I just became aware
of literally yesterday? Yes.
It's actually called rentafriend.com.
OK. And most cities have this
service available now here. Here's why I'm shouting it out.
(29:32):
I haven't tried it, but I may. If you have, if you want to do
Co working, if you have an errand to run, you can rent
somebody for just an hour. I I think an hour is the
smallest increment that you can rent somebody if you're like new
to the area and you just want someone to show you around.
(29:54):
You could use this if you want to practice any kind of social
skill, right? Yeah.
This is a safe and very low stakes way to do it.
But also meaning that from a youknow, from what I understand,
you don't have to ever see each other again.
But. But if you genuinely hit it off
(30:16):
like they could stop charging you, now you have an actual
friend. Right, right.
So now I'm going to look, I'm going to look into that.
And if you don't want to rent a friend, you could sign up to be
a rental friend, right? And get that coin, babes.
Oh. You get, oh, you get paid to do
it. Yeah.
Oh, look at that. I don't, so I don't know.
(30:38):
I feel like everybody sets theirown hourly rate.
So the the figure that I heard in this video I was watching, I
think somebody said it was like 30 bucks an hour.
I feel like that is a steal. Yeah, to have some, yeah,
definitely to have somebody to, like hang out with, you know,
just make sure you make sure youuse it properly.
(30:58):
Don't use it as therapy. Well, yes.
Right, that too. And, and obviously, you know,
you want to take safety precautions and all that kind of
stuff, but yeah, I just, I heardsome really good examples of
people using US. Like somebody said they had
concert tickets and then, you know, they're they're plus one
couldn't go. So they, you know, they still
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wanted to go to the concert, butlike didn't want to go alone.
So they, they found somebody that they they, you know, seemed
cool. OK, it could be that.
Or again, like you can rent someone, you know, once a week
until you have an actual friendship with them.
Like, I don't know, it's it seems like a great idea.
I think so too. Yeah.
Well, I like ending on that note, a positive note, uplifting
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and and a good recommendation. We have a great episode coming
up in two weeks, I believe September 9th.
We did an interview, we'll call it, with Doctor Britt and we're
talking about dating and relationships, not just romantic
relationships when you're neurodivergent and some
workarounds and you know, some of our main struggles and, and
(32:04):
how can we, how can we navigate them as people who are dating or
using dating apps? I'm really excited about it.
It's so enjoyed talking to her. And that'll go up September 9th,
I believe is the date. Just so that you guys know, we
are taking next week off becauseof the holiday and because
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Get a Labor Day. That's fine.
I get a Labor Day too, and I really wanted Britt's episode to
get the placement and the attention that it deserved.
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Worth the Wait podcast. Hi, Sarah.
Hey. I want to talk about something
that happened with us and it hasto do with women getting engaged
to their AI boyfriends. Then this opens up the
conversation to the woman who fell in love with her
psychiatrist. I'm looking at these women who
(00:30):
are they have AI boyfriends and.I've said.
That's what they tell us. And I said, I told Sarah I I
will always have a a sympathy empathy for people who feel
lonely, right? And I said to me, this is, you
know, this is either a trauma response because interacting
(00:51):
with humans has just caused themso much pain, or they are just
profoundly lonely. And that was that was where I
was coming from then. And I was hearing a lot of about
AI psychosis. Yeah.
And we, we talked again last week about this, the fear.
(01:12):
See, The thing is, Chachi PT, they can't, they can't tell what
they don't know if you're manic,they don't know if you're feel
experiencing some kind of full blown psychosis.
Chachi PT doesn't know that. And So what could end up
happening is the ChatGPT could end up fueling, let's say you're
(01:33):
having delusions, could end up fueling the delusions, could end
up telling you things that lead you to hurt yourself.
Now, the AI psychosis obviously is going to lead into the woman
who fell in love with her therapist, but it's also going
to lead into, you know, we've seen stories like this, right?
The woman who believes she was being stalked by the feds.
(01:56):
Fucking Coco Briscoe. We've seen this right time and
time again, and this one. I feel this is a little
different. This feels different to me.
Yeah, because it's brand new. And I, I think it's important to
note here that AI psychosis is not a clinical term.
It's so new that, you know, obviously a psychiatrist,
(02:19):
psychologists are talking about it, but AI psychosis has a term
I think came out of TikTok. Really.
I believe so but if if not TikTok it's it's somewhere from
the zeitgeist. It's not a not a clinical term.
It's not a diagnosis. OK, so this woman, her name is
Kendra Hilti, and she came on. She's an ADHD coach.
(02:42):
Allegedly. Allegedly Yikes.
And she comes. She starts this series this
multi part series about how she fell in love with her
psychiatrist. I want to say it's 18 parts.
It's a lot, it's a lot, Ha ha, it's a lot.
And you really, you really got to be committed, really got to
be in it. And she's talking about this
(03:05):
psychiatrist that she was seen once a month and he was
basically there to monitor her meds and he was an attractive
guy and she. Allegedly.
Found herself allegedly and she found herself attracted to him
and pretty soon over time, she she was she was saying that's
(03:26):
when the you know, the obsession.
I couldn't stop thinking about him.
I was constantly daydreaming, which to me, we just spoke about
this, that to me I was like, that's limerance.
That's that. This is sounds like limerance to
me. Sure does.
Right. And so eventually she tells him
that she's attracted to him. And initially I thought, OK, so
(03:47):
that means he's going to stop treating her.
He didn't. And initially I thought, God,
that's really bad. And I did again, not doing the
research. After doing research, realizing
it's probably he's going to stick this out because if she is
experiencing, say a manic episode or psychosis, he, he
(04:08):
wants to treat her. That's job, right?
To, to make sure she doesn't hurt herself.
But the way she talked about their interactions, she's
talking, she she tells him one night about how she had a very
erotic dream about how they hooked up in his office.
Yeah. And he got like visibly
uncomfortable. And she said, and I, I just, I
(04:30):
know it's because he looks like I, I caught him.
It's like I, you know, I called him out because that's something
that he's done. That's a, that's an image he's
had in his head. And that's when you really start
to to realize this woman is, I don't know.
I don't, you know, I'm not a therapist.
I'm not, I don't, I can't diagnose her.
But the more she talked about this relationship, the more it
(04:54):
was so clear how delusional she was.
She's going through something. Yeah.
I mean, I, I think we can. I think it's probably safe to
say she's spiraling. Right, Yes, yes.
And she's talking about how because they always used to meet
online, I'm sure for a reason. And she finally says, oh, I
didn't realize you see people inperson.
(05:14):
Can I come in person? And he agrees.
And when she sees him for the first time, she like goes over
and gives him a big hug. And listen, if you've ever been
to therapy, which she hasn't, which I think is a is it, it
plays a part here. If you go to therapy, you know
there's boundaries, right? You just you don't, you don't
(05:34):
cross them. You don't, it doesn't get
personal. You don't do that.
This also she'd never wasn't therapy.
This is not a therapist. This is a psychiatrist, right?
That's an MD. She felt as though the fact that
he continued to treat her meant that he returned the interest.
Right, and I think it's important to note that that is
(05:56):
despite knowing that he was onlyseeing her via zoom only.
The reason she got an in person appointment at all is because
one day the receptionist messed up and let slip that he had in
person appointments. As far as Ken Trudeau, this dude
was a Zoom psychiatrist only andso she slithered her way in
(06:21):
there. And so eventually of of course,
because I'm assuming he wasn't returning, he wasn't matching
her energy as the kids say. Well, according to her, he
wasn't matching her energy, right?
She, well, she alleges, basically is that he's like an
emotional vampire, right? That he, he gave nothing, but he
(06:44):
loved it. He sucked up the attention.
Right, right. He just loved, he loved like how
into him that she was and he gotoff on it.
And, you know, she eventually started calling him an abuser
now. She sure did.
Now she did that thing that I really, really hate is when she
(07:07):
leads to a little breadcrumb trail to his identity.
And of course. He got doxed.
Immediately, guys, don't, don't,don't look.
He got doxed immediately. Immediately.
Yeah, you can very easily find out who he is.
Right. But now here's that.
Here's one of those extra layerswe were talking about.
He's a man of color. And it became very clear
(07:32):
throughout all these, these and her, she's having these lives
and she's doing the, all the, the, the multi part series.
It's very clear he is nothing like she said he is.
She's, she's falsely accusing this, this man of color of being
an abuser, of taking advantage of his position of authority and
(07:55):
thinking nothing of it, thinkingnothing of what she could be
doing to this man's. Career to his reputation if I
recall right Right. Doesn't she open this whole
series by saying it's fine, It'stime someone finally talks about
how men will go to Med school and study psychiatry and become
(08:17):
doctors literally just to prey on women?
Like that's, that's her opener. So she's, you know, she's, she's
personally targeting this guy. But also, and I mean, listen, no
one's more upset that she's making me defend all men in
general than me, but she's goingafter men in general saying
(08:39):
like, you know how you know why men get into the mental health
field? Because they're predators.
She's, she was just a woman scorned and she wanted, she
wanted revenge. And it, it just became very,
very clear. And you're, you're in this
situation and you're watching this.
And I, I don't know if she's experiencing any kind of
(08:59):
psychosis. I don't know, right?
But that does not mean she's notresponsible for her behavior.
This is my question about the whole thing, and This is why I
sort. I sort of feel ambivalent about
giving her any more attention. I would not recommend watching
the TikTok series. I didn't even watch the whole
(09:21):
series. I did see the first couple.
But I do wonder, are people gassing her up for their own
entertainment or do you think people actually believe her?
Here's the thing and I brought up that stocked by the feds
lady. Now this was a woman who claimed
that she had an affair with someguy who like older guy who was
on a reality show and that she found out he was married and she
(09:44):
contacted his wife and when she did that he he like had her put
under, you know, watch from federal.
Agents, you know, something veryreasonable like that.
Something very reasonable like that.
And when I tell you, I mean the,the amount of people in her
comments like, Yep, no, I'm totally being stalked too.
(10:04):
And I'm this is totally real. And you can tell there's a lot
of mentally ill people who find these stories and they latch
onto them. And it's that's just it, right?
Right. It's disturbing.
It's. Disturbing and that I think was
and that was Kendra's goal when she started recording right
because she said Oh no one's talking about this.
(10:26):
So she was specifically looking for people who would agree with
her, and I guess she found some percentage of them.
But I also think a good number of people are just like cruelly
watching for their own entertainment.
Yes, and that's that before we get into that, because that's a
very important topic, but Kendralost her job because of this
(10:50):
good right. And because she like started
trauma dumping in the into a class about this and the owner
of the studio or the manager of the studio found out and was
like, hey, you know, can we can we meet?
Can we talk about this? And Kendra was like, no, So
Kendra basically fired herself. But of course, what did she do?
What did she do? I'm sure she was the victim.
(11:10):
She was the victim. And of course, people found out
who this woman was, right? And they were all contacting
her. And I think a lot of people were
like, hey, we really feel bad about this.
But see, when I hear these stories immediately it's Coco
Briscoe 100%. Yeah.
But the difference, and this is what I was looking into, I like
(11:32):
how do you tell if someone's legitimately experiencing some
kind of psychosis and and, and and malingering right where
they're faking it? It's.
Super hard to tell on the Internet because everybody is,
you know, projecting an image onthe Internet.
So I feel like only her psychiatrist, if she has one,
only her family and friends right, would really be able to
(11:55):
know. Right.
I can't tell her she's being authentic.
I can't. I can't either.
Are you talking we're talking about Kendra here.
Yeah. Yeah, I can't.
I can't either. That's what's so concerning.
And it's the same thing with stock by the feds.
Now the difference. She does seem authentic to me.
She does. I don't know.
(12:15):
I don't know what the situation is there.
I really, really don't. I know that there's a lot of
there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on with with
the stock by the feds woman, butI agree there there seems to be
some legitimate issues going on.But the thing that stuck out to
me when I was looking into how do how do you tell the
difference? And one thing that they said to
(12:36):
look for is inconsistencies. And this was this was how I knew
Coco Briscoe was just fucking flat out lying, right?
Because she's talking about, Oh,I'm being gang stalked by these
bartenders and they spoke of violence against me.
Yet she would go to these bars knowing that they would be
there, knowing that they might be working there.
(12:57):
And so that was a huge like whatthey're saying and what they
were doing there was there was there were two totally different
things. So almost like she was bullying
them. Almost like she was stalking
them. That's weird.
Yes, we have. If you do a search for, do a
search for Coco Briscoe on Spotify or wherever and our, our
(13:19):
interviews with the people, I'llcall them her victims will come
up. It's, it's an insane story.
But as far as Kendra goes, a lotof mental health professionals
started coming out saying, you know, it's really dangerous the
way people are enabling this. And a lot of you are enabling if
you're on entertainment, But then there are other people who
are identifying with it, most likely because of their own
(13:42):
mental illness. Correct.
And that is this is TikTok is the fact that TikTok never
intervened. You cannot you cannot get their
pages taken down like these people actively weaponize their
platforms to go after people they don't like.
And I'm glad at least that the Kendra Hilti situation seemed to
(14:05):
have been nipped in the bud pretty quickly, right, because
people were very quickly going what's going on here?
They were, they weren't buying into it as the way they did with
stock by the feds and Coco Briscoe.
And I think maybe they learned from these situations.
Like, hold on, wait a minute. And a lot of these mental health
professionals are saying that and I agree, making fun of it.
(14:29):
Listen, I don't like what she's doing to this guy whatsoever.
And I think she should be held accountable for that.
But making fun of her also, I'm,I'm also not OK with, you know,
because you're, you're making fun of someone who's deeply
mentally ill. I mean, here's what I'll say
about the the psychiatrist. I don't think this is his first
rodeo. You know what I'm saying?
(14:50):
Like I said to you via text yesterday, like if everyone who,
quote UN quote fell in love withtheir psychiatrist got dropped
by their psychiatrist, nobody would have one.
I think he's been, I think a he knew this was coming and because
right, how could he not? Yeah.
(15:10):
And BI think, you know, I think he's capable of managing this
himself. Like it's, it's not going to,
it's not going to ruin him. I hope not.
I hope not. He's going to be all right.
This thing, this kind of thing happens all the time.
Not usually to this scale like this made the national news.
Yeah, right away, yeah. Because it was getting so many
(15:33):
views right. But like I said, there is that
layer to this of here's a white woman falsely accusing a man of
color, right? Well let let me go back to
something else real quick too. OK so I I have a couple of
examples where I had been aroundpeople in in the throes of
mania, didn't know till after. Yeah, that's what's, that's
(15:57):
what's so scary is you. You might not be able to tell.
Yeah. You know, when people hear
psychosis, they think, oh, they're, they're off the walls
and they're just crazy and they're babbling.
No, no. And that's like this Kendra
person, I won't say she's convincing because I don't think
this is an act. I think there's there's she's
(16:20):
going through some kind of mental health crisis.
It might be an act, not the mental health crisis itself, but
the, you know, a lot of people have have been speculating that
it's a manic episode. I I don't know if it is.
I feel like that is part that might be an act, But again, I
don't actually know her in real life.
And I just told you I wouldn't be able to tell so.
(16:42):
Yeah, I, I mean, to me, it seemslike things with her are very
heightened, right? For sure.
And I think that is that, that is a, a red flag.
Everything's very heightened with her I this just feels like
escalation. Exactly, and that's that's
actually why I'm saying I can't tell if she's sincerely
(17:05):
struggling with mental health orif this is all just because
she's she wants revenge. I have to say, Kendra gives me
Cocoa vibes. Yeah, me too, right.
Where if this doesn't go her way, she's going to do
something. She's going to, then it's going
to be, she's just going to keep the story going and going and
going and and. Seems that way.
(17:25):
Right. And that's what I and really
it's that it's the escalation that scares me.
And I don't know, like you have a lot of a lot of therapists on
this app saying, I really hope the psychiatrist, I really hope
he has some kind of security, like they're all legitimately
concerned for this. Man, I bet he does now.
I bet he does now, but they're legitimately concerned for this
man. Oh yeah.
(17:46):
I mean, sure, sure. Which just tells you what
they're seeing with her right now.
The other part to the story is she relies heavily on ChatGPT.
Yeah, heavily on chat. A little name.
But the I think even the chachi PT was like bro, this is this is
above my pay scale. I don't.
(18:07):
I can't. Eventually, right?
Eventually, but this is where the AI psychosis comes in
because that chachi PT was fueling her up.
It was, it was, it was being very affirming.
Very. Yeah, just very comforting.
Like I said earlier, right. It was, it was basically telling
her like, oh, you're so perceptive and there's a there's
(18:29):
a term for this and it happens all the time.
Yeah, it was. It was basically just confirming
what she already believed. And then there was another one
she used the name was Claude. And they were talking about her
saying you're an Oracle and you have this army of followers and
you know, you're you're startingthis movement.
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She was believing it. She's playing it on the live.
I mean, it just it so scares me how these platforms do not
intervene and how these people will gas these people up.
Like, you know, she's mentally ill, right?
And and the same thing with Coco.
Like dude, you knew she was justbeing fucking vindictive and you
(19:13):
and you totally played along. What's also scary is these
people, they attract equally mentally ill people.
Now, what do you think is behindthese women with the AI
boyfriends and getting engaged? What do you think that's about?
Well. Like you said, it's obviously
loneliness and just frustration.Or a it could be a trauma
(19:34):
response, right? Yeah.
Now, do you think that's dangerous?
I think it is worth noting that as far as I saw, it seemed to be
women in heterosexual AI relationships.
I did not see. Did you you see any examples of
(19:55):
lesbian couples? No.
So that feels important, right? That women are, you know, again,
because of loneliness, trauma, or sheer frustration.
Are deciding fuck it AI is my boyfriend now.
Right, But there's, there's, andthis is you brought this up and
then I brought it up back to you.
(20:15):
Women are pressured. They're they really are made to
feel like if you don't have malevalidation, your, your life is
just meaningless. You just have no value.
Women end up buying into that and thinking that something's
wrong with them. But also, you know, they feel
like they're missing out, right?They're missing out on all the
other milestones that other women get.
(20:35):
You know, they get to get engaged and they get this and
they can. And this is their way of having
those milestones, because these things are given such importance
in our society, you know, and. Yeah, that's a good point.
And I, I mean, I'll even take itfurther and say it's not that
they feel like they're missing out, they are missing out,
right, because they're not having those experiences.
(20:57):
But I feel like the problem is, you know, there are experiences
I don't get to have either, right?
Like nobody can have all the experiences, right?
It's just that, like you said, societally we've placed
disproportionate value on this handful of experiences that all
seem to be related to. Men.
(21:19):
Being in a relationship with a man.
Right, Yeah. I mean, like I said, I will.
I will always have a very, very deep sense of empathy for
anybody who feels lonely, right?Like they're there's something's
driving them to do this. I was thinking up of it up to,
you know, as long as it can get them through the day.
(21:39):
OK, but what if they start suffering some kind of going
through some sort of mental health crisis?
What if, what if they have a depressive episode?
What if the chachi PT encouragesit or fuels it and does it
because they can't identify it? So this is kind of like drugs,
right? It's, it's kind of like
substance abuse. Like, yeah, we we might be like
(22:02):
when we look at the the options,we might be inclined to say when
someone is suffering, like, hey,whatever gets you through the
day, right? Yeah, whatever gets you through
the day. But then it becomes a bomb and,
and it does become a problem because you never deal with the
issue. So you asked me a few minutes
ago, like, did I think it was dangerous for women to be
involved in this Reddit thread where everyone has an AI
(22:24):
boyfriend and they're sharing photos and I don't know, talking
about their vacations or whatever.
I, I think I think yes, but alsonot yet, right?
Because like you said, it's, I do agree with that sentiment.
Like, OK, whatever gets you through the day, right?
But that doesn't satisfy me because it it also presumes that
(22:50):
there is an off ramp to some other better option.
And I know that there's a doctorshortage.
I know that we don't have enoughmental health support.
So in a lot of cases, like I'm not sure what to tell these
women to do instead because it'snot like we have ample resources
for everyone who needs them. Yep.
And it's not like mental health care isn't extremely expensive.
(23:14):
That's what I mean, right? Like it's it's just it's a
resource issue. Yeah, it's it's not as simple as
you've got to go to therapy. Do you think, don't you think if
people could afford therapy, if people could have, you know,
they would go I. Hate to say this but therapy
really is a luxury good at this point.
Yeah, it really. At least here it is, Yeah.
Yes, in America, I mean, as so many things are food medication,
(23:38):
right? Yeah.
So. I mean truly like I, I'll like,
I'll use myself as an example. Like you think I would love to
be in therapy, bro. Who has the time?
Truly, who could take the time off?
Work they. Work 9:00 to 5:00, bitch.
So do I. Right.
Yeah, it's. So does everyone.
Yeah, it's, it's not easy. And that's, and that's the other
(24:01):
reason too, why I was saying, you know, maybe they're just
lonely and maybe it's somebody to talk to and makes them feel
seen. And I, I know that's how I felt,
but I also, I think I don't know.
It for sure is that I, I don't think anybody would disagree
with you on that take on it, right?
It's just that, like I said, forme, the reason it the reason I'm
(24:23):
not content to let it stay thereis because it exposes some
pretty deep cracks in our infrastructure.
Yes, but what I will say is feeling seen.
It is, I think, one of those transformative experiences and
and I that that was how I felt with Sam and I really hope
(24:46):
people aren't like, Oh my God, this is the dog.
Why? Why is she?
I hope people understand like the soul dog connection and all
that. But I think so.
Feeling seen, it's so healing, you know?
And rather than these women having like the AI boyfriend, I
would much rather see them just talking to each other about
feeling lonely. Yeah, that does seem better,
(25:08):
right? Like a real community, even if
it's only online. Right, Even if it's only online
and you know, I'm just, I feel like I'm missing out and why
isn't anything working out? And I totally understand how
it's really sad and it's hurtfulwhen you're somebody who's
looking for a relationship and nothing's working out and you're
(25:28):
seeing everybody and you're seeing it on social media and
everyone's getting engaged and everyone's so happy, I mean.
And make it look so easy. Right.
You know, it's just, it's not just AI, it's social media.
There's so many things that justattack our mental health and our
self esteem. Yes, that's.
Right. And like, of course people are
(25:48):
going to turn to anything that'sgoing to make them feel seen and
make them feel less alone. It's just a lot of people don't
understand. It's, it's basically just
telling you what you want to hear because it's, you know,
you're giving it all. It's all your data It's hearing.
Literally how it's it's. Literally how it's programmed.
So I guess what I want to say islike, I think that finding a
(26:09):
community of people online, if you are somebody who's maybe a
little, they rely a lot on Chachi PT for support or to feel
seen. I would encourage you not
necessarily to stop chat ChatGPT, but to certainly alter
the way you use it and become more aware of what the dangers
are, but also actively seek out some kind of community or start
(26:34):
one yourself. Yeah, because it's kind of like
what I say, talk about dating apps.
That's not that shouldn't be theonly thing you rely on.
You need other be out in the wild, be out there talking to
people, meeting people. I feel the same about, you know,
if you're feeling sad or if you're feeling lonely or if
you're longing for connection, you know, you can get it online,
(26:54):
but definitely try to to or or you can get it from a platform,
but also try to try to get it from people.
Yeah, well, I think online is isa fantastic place to start
though. Absolutely, Absolutely.
Because honestly, who who's evergoing to be like I have enough
friends. Right.
Especially. I'm not taking any more.
(27:16):
Right. Especially as you get older, you
know, like there are so many Reddit communities for women
over 30, women over 40, you know, single.
There's there's just so many different communities online
that you could probably find that you could start.
If you're enterprising. Right or start.
There's so many different ways and I, I talk about my true
(27:38):
crime discord all the time has changed me.
My has changed my life. I'm so grateful for it.
This community of women that don't just support me, but
absolutely tell me when I'm wrong.
And I'm so lucky because as muchas I didn't like having the
disagreement with you, I feel sograteful that I'm friends with
somebody who felt they could, who cared enough to take the
(28:02):
time and be like, listen, this isn't good.
Here's why. This is why I feel that way
because a lot of people would have just been like go fuck
yourself but you weren't right and I to know that I have people
like that in my life. We also met online.
We also met online. That's right, we did.
She used to comment on my She's a comment on my blog years ago.
(28:26):
Circa O 8. Circa O 8 and listen my God,
it's been almost 20 years. Yeah, I think so.
Well, I, I don't know if it was literally 2008, but that feels
like the right era. Yeah, 2008 to 10:00-ish.
Yeah, yeah, 20 years, let's say 1515 is right.
But this is the type of relationship you can find
online. I have never had anybody in my
(28:48):
life that sees me. And not just sees me, but wants
to make sure I feel seen the waySarah does.
I've never met anybody. Like I'm going to fucking cry,
God. And I And every time I whenever
I cry on these things, the retention goes down.
Listen. Listen.
Well, then it's not OK. It's not OK.
Listen. The people have spoken.
(29:09):
The people have spoken. You can find real community,
real friendship, real support online.
Can I give a shout out to a service that I just became aware
of literally yesterday? Yes.
It's actually called rentafriend.com.
OK. And most cities have this
service available now here. Here's why I'm shouting it out.
(29:32):
I haven't tried it, but I may. If you have, if you want to do
Co working, if you have an errand to run, you can rent
somebody for just an hour. I I think an hour is the
smallest increment that you can rent somebody if you're like new
to the area and you just want someone to show you around.
(29:54):
You could use this if you want to practice any kind of social
skill, right? Yeah.
This is a safe and very low stakes way to do it.
But also meaning that from a youknow, from what I understand,
you don't have to ever see each other again.
But. But if you genuinely hit it off
(30:16):
like they could stop charging you, now you have an actual
friend. Right, right.
So now I'm going to look, I'm going to look into that.
And if you don't want to rent a friend, you could sign up to be
a rental friend, right? And get that coin, babes.
Oh. You get, oh, you get paid to do
it. Yeah.
Oh, look at that. I don't, so I don't know.
(30:38):
I feel like everybody sets theirown hourly rate.
So the the figure that I heard in this video I was watching, I
think somebody said it was like 30 bucks an hour.
I feel like that is a steal. Yeah, to have some, yeah,
definitely to have somebody to, like hang out with, you know,
just make sure you make sure youuse it properly.
(30:58):
Don't use it as therapy. Well, yes.
Right, that too. And, and obviously, you know,
you want to take safety precautions and all that kind of
stuff, but yeah, I just, I heardsome really good examples of
people using US. Like somebody said they had
concert tickets and then, you know, they're they're plus one
couldn't go. So they, you know, they still
(31:19):
wanted to go to the concert, butlike didn't want to go alone.
So they, they found somebody that they they, you know, seemed
cool. OK, it could be that.
Or again, like you can rent someone, you know, once a week
until you have an actual friendship with them.
Like, I don't know, it's it seems like a great idea.
I think so too. Yeah.
Well, I like ending on that note, a positive note, uplifting
(31:42):
and and a good recommendation. We have a great episode coming
up in two weeks, I believe September 9th.
We did an interview, we'll call it, with Doctor Britt and we're
talking about dating and relationships, not just romantic
relationships when you're neurodivergent and some
workarounds and you know, some of our main struggles and, and
(32:04):
how can we, how can we navigate them as people who are dating or
using dating apps? I'm really excited about it.
It's so enjoyed talking to her. And that'll go up September 9th,
I believe is the date. Just so that you guys know, we
are taking next week off becauseof the holiday and because
(32:26):
honestly I need AI, need a little bit of a vacation.
Get a Labor Day. That's fine.
I get a Labor Day too, and I really wanted Britt's episode to
get the placement and the attention that it deserved.
So we will return on September 9th.
You can send your questions to us.hello@datologycoach.com.
(32:46):
Make sure to follow us on TikTok, YouTube and Instagram at
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(33:07):
and subscribe so that you can get the bi weekly bonus episodes
plus the behind the scenes content that we're going to
start doing. Because we're editing a lot of
these episodes and we're going to start maybe like posting the
stuff that we remove for. Behind the scenes, the cutting
room floor. The cutting room floor and the
spicier stuff that we don't talkabout on the main feed.
So patreon.com/worth, the wait show.
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Bog witches, warlocks days. Value your time.
Decent find community. Please find community.
Or start one. Or start one.
Which is the same thing. Right.
We're gonna have to. We're gonna have to change that.
Bog witches, Bog warlocks. Bog days please find community.
How about this? How about this?
You're already in one. Here's your community.
Here we are. We are.
(33:51):
Here we are your community. Oh, that's true.
We really. Are we are?
Join the comments. Talk in the comments.
Let us know. Tell us who you are.
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