Hulkamania Forever

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to Wrestling Discussions. I'm your host, Ashley Jane, here
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tune in for new episodes every other week. Hey, how
was everyone doing? And before I begin to show, ma
heart and prayers to go out to the family and
friends of Paul Cogan. He was definitely a pioneer for

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pro wrestling, especially during the Golden Era, and he would
be deeply missed and never forgotten. And I would also
like to have a moment of silence.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Welcome everyone to this bonus episode of Wrestling Discussions. I'm
your host, Ashley Janey, and as usual want to I
just want to thank God for blessing me to do
another bonus episode and thank you all again for your
support and patience. I truly appreciate it that today's episode
is going to be a tribute celebrating a career and

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legacy of the Hall of Famer Hall Cogan, who was
one of the greatest legends of all time to lace
up a pair of wrestling boots, put on an amazing
show for the fans, participate in matches we can only
dream of main event multiple WrestleManias, especially wrestle Mania three
when he had an historic and main event match that

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still talked about to this day with another legend slash
Hall of Famer, the late Great Andre the Giant Hall.
Koger also aspired many superstars that we grew up watching,
like the rock Stone called Steve Boston, Triple H Booker,
T HBK, Seawn Michaels, the seventeen time World Champion John Cena,

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and many more current superstars than we see today. So
he definitely opened up many doors for various superstars and
his legacy will forever live on to inspire many more
talents that we see in the near future. And I
also have a special guest to participate in this tribute
episode as well, and I'm sure you all are familiar

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with him by now because he has made some appearances
in the past. He is also a fan of Hogan.
He lived through the Golden Era and he knows way
more about Hogan than I do, so please help me
welcome back my dad's wrestling discussions and how are you today.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
All right, that's good. Yeah, yeah, we're just ready to
go ahead and just you know, just basically make this
a celebration episode, just celebrating his legacy and everything he
did for the Bisness.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah yeah, you know, you know, I grew up watching Cogan,
probably at the age of.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Maybe nine, somewhere around that.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Age is when I actually got into wrestling. And see,
back then it was the WWF, the World Wrestling Federation,
So I recalled the first time I ever saw Haul Cogan.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
He was wrestling the iron Ic.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
This is when he first won the World Championship title.
This was in Madison Square Garden like in the early eighties,
and he beat the Iron Chic. He became champion, and
you know, he basically represented you know, the federation like
a true champion. I mean, he took on all challenges,

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he didn't duck anybody, and he had some great historic matches.
One that would forever stand out to me was WrestleMania One.
Actually when he teamed up with mister T and them
guys went against Rowdy Roddy Piper, and I think the

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other person was maybe it was Big John stud but
this was WrestleMania one, the very first one tag that
with Mister T so that was a very historic WrestleMania.
Of course, they won, and then as time went on,
Hawkgan became more popular. You know, everybody was chasing him

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trying to get his titles. So I think going into
the next WrestleMania, he started having problems with King Kong Bundy.
I remember that because King Kong Bundy actually broke his
ribs prior to WrestleMania. So Hawk Cogan got revenge back

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on him in WrestleMania two inside of a steel cage
and Hawk Hogan beat King Kong Bundy. So I have
so many, you know, moments of just watching his career.
He was definitely something special to watch, you know. Moving
on to WrestleMania three, of course, the historic moment with

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Andrea Giant slamming somebody that's five hundred plus pounds, that
was incredible. You know, just to watch that, I was
stun I think I flew out of my seat because
I didn't even think he can pick up this man
five hundred plus pounds and slammed him to the canvas
in Pentum. That was history. I don't think prior to

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that match, nobody has ever slammed Andrea Jones because he
was just too big.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
But you know what I found that, I found that
that holding body slammed him more than.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Once he did. You know, I want to say somewhere
like in the beginning they had it was world class wrestling.
This goes back man far, you know, world class. I
think this is when Andre the Giant was already popular,
you know, hal Cogan was just coming into his own

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around that time. But they did have a few secret
matches that a lot of people didn't see. And I
know they did have one where I think it was
like it was a bloody match, both of them was bloody,
pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Then from there they became good.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Friends, and you know, him and Andrea.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Giant became like brothers.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah you know so, I mean you you wouldn't have
never thought in a million years that they would have
went up against each other.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, and then and then wasn't that when Hogan was
still the good guy and Andre the hell.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, Andre was still a hell. You know, Cogan was
the good guy. And I think the way it was
you know, scripted, of course, Andrea Giant became jealous of
hall Cogan's popularity because with the fans and just you know,
the World Wrestling Federation, hal Cogan was basically that brand.

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Andre got giant, I mean, Andre got jealous. Andre felt
like he should have probably been bigger than haul Kogen. Yeah,
so what he did was, you know, Hall Cogan used
to wear this chain across all the time on his chest,
and sure enough, Andre told that cross off. I never
forget it, and hall Cogan broke down crying. And I

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think Roddy Roddy Piper had this thing called his talk
show was called the Piper's Pit, right, and he was
instigating the match, and you know, he adds hal Cogan
was he gonna wrestle Andre because of Andre tyrn a
cross off his chest and all of that.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
So haul Cogan emotionally crying hard.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I've never seen anything like this, and he accepted that challenge. Wow,
and he really didn't want to wrestle him because him
and Andre were like brothers.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Right now, now, didn't they make that match Offisher at
Saturday Night's main event?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
They sure did. Okay, okay, actually that was the signing
of the contract. I'll never forget it. On Hall Cogan
came to the ring. They set the table up in
the ring and everything, and Andre just kept giving him
this stare down. They had a stare down probably by
a good ten minutes. Uh huh. You know, Hall Cogan,

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I'll never forget you know, those his words. He was
like signing, if you're going to sign it, right, we
still he's saying it. And then that was the contract
on the WrestleMania three.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Okay, nice? Yeah, So now what would you said would
be some of well, besides wrestle manni your three, what
was some of your favorite Hogan matches besides that one?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh wow, there's quite a few of them out there.
I think you know one that stands out was on
Big John Stud. Big John Stud was actually one of
the most biggest wrestlers in the World Wrestling Federation outside
of Andre the Giant, but John Stud was like second
to Andre, so of course that became a rivalry him

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and Hall Cogan, Big John Stud wonting his belt. So
I think they wrestled I want to say Saturday's Night
Maine event and Hull Cogan beat him. He slammed him,
of course, and you know he won that title. Another
one that stands out to me was when he wrestled Kamala. Kamala,

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I think hall Cogan was kind of afraid of him
because Kamala just had this dirty way of wrestling. He
would always bite you. Yeah, you know, so him and
hall Cogan wrestling and Saturday Night's Maine event, and you know,
Kamala was getting the best of him and slapping his
stomach and all of that. And eventually hall Cogan always

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found ways to win. And that's what made him so
great because even when you thought you getting the best
of him, he always found a way to win the matches.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, he did.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
But one that I think as a kid, and I
don't really tell a lot of people this story, but
I want to say I could have been around maybe ten,
ten years old or whatever when this happened. But him
and mister wonderful Paul Orndolf, right, you know, they were
good friends too. So eventually, you know, hall Cogan's popularity

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just became so much for all of the other wrestlers
that was his friends, they were jealousy started to set in.
So Paul, mister Wonderful started getting jealous of the attention
that hall Cogan was getting. And sure enough, Saturday Night's
main event, they you know, they team up, you know,
they had a tag team match, and then Paul Ornedolf

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trading on him. I never forget it. He man put
his head and gave him a power drive. You know.
So a lot of people people couldn't believe it because
they were supposed to be the best of the best
as far as friends go. So he trained on them
and sure enough, going into that next WrestleMania, I think
they faced off against each other, and of course hal

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Cogan beat them. Oh yeah, So he had a lot
of people that was trying to come after his title
because of jealousy.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Mm yeah, because he was the real deal back then.
I mean he pretty much okay, he pretty much made
the Golden Era.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah he did. You know, hall Cogan meant so much
to wrestling if you really think about it. We had
a lot of great wrestlers out there, you know what
I mean. Of course, you know, my favorites are always
hall Cogan, you know, Rick Flair, Lex Luger. But when
you talk about hal Cogan itself, he was like in
the class by himself. If you really think about it,

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hall Cogan was bigger than Rick Flair. You know, you're
talking about two different wrestling organizations. You had the WWF,
then you had the NWA that was up and coming.
Rick Clair was actually the Hulk Hogan of the nw A,
So him and Hawk were probably the most two famous

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wrestlers that were out there back then. And of course
the dream match was to see them guys wrestler. Eventually
it happened some years down the line, but I think
both of them was much older than so, you know,
I mean, the match happened, but it wasn't like they
were in their primes when they actually did it.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Got you was this at w CW. This was at
w c Okay, that makes sense. Then, yeah, they was
pretty much on their way out SA the next when
he was up on at w c W, he was
pretty much way out.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
So yeah, you know, so that was the whole thing.
So many different wrestlers was up and coming, but a
lot of the federations, you know, they kept basically trying
to figure out way on how to compete with each other.
So of course, you know, WWF was like the top
wrestling organization. So you had the NWA. You even had

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the UWF that was the Universal Wrestling Federation. You had
world class wrestling. You had so many different federations out there, yep.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And to the WWE pretty much bought out everything.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah. Yeah, WWE brought everybody out on. Of course, Vince
McMahon a smart businessman, and you know, wrestling has been
going for years, and truth be told, I think Vince
McMahon has done an incredible job holding it down for
all of these years you talking about it. I mean,
I'm ten years old when I first started wrestling. I

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mean when I first started watching it, So you look
at it now, I'm fifty something, you talking forty something plus.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Years, right, Yeah, and at that point I think he
had took it over from his dad.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
And I would have to say some of my remember
were moments with Hogan as a kid. This is when
he would make sporadic comebacks and stuff like that. I
remember when him and Sean Michaels was teaming up together.
This is back in two thousand and five, so I
remember one moment they were celebrating the ring, you know,
just being happy that they want the match. The next thing,
you know, Sean Michael super kick Togan and I'm like,

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whoa wait a minute, and this is when Sean turned
Hill and this is when I just became a die
hard Hogan being at the time. And then when they
had the historic match has Summer Slam in two thousand
and five. Even though it was a bloody match because
Sean Michaels busted him open, Hogan still came back and
won that match. Yeah, that would have to be a
memorable moment. Also too, when him up the Rock went

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against he jumped at Russell Mania eighteen.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, I remember watching that match and I was really surprised.
I mean, that was actually like the dream match. You know,
he wanted to see the Rock because during that time,
The Rock was up and coming, so you know, everybody
wanted to see this up and coming star go up
against this nugga star. It was almost like Kobe Bryant

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versus Michael Jordan. Everybody wanted to see that match. And
sure n'tough they got the match and the Rock beat him.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
And you know what's crazy at the end of the match,
and w O got mad at him for sportsmanship.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, And you know, I tell you that's that's the
one thing that I can always say that was good
about Hulk Hogan. He always showed good sportsmanship. He did
anytime somebody beat him. Of course, I think the one
that stands out in everybody's mind is the Ultimate Warrior.
Oh yeah, in WrestleMania, when the Ultimate Warrior beat him,

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and you know, he showed great sportsmanship. And that was
when I can honestly tell you he lost straight up
head to head the Ultimate Warrior out.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah he did, and he got them yep.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
And see again, you got to look at most of
those losses that he was getting at the time. You know,
he was out of his prime. The Ultimate Warrior was
in his prime where he beat Hogan and.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Then too they was looking for somebody, someone to succeed
Hogan too, and they just felt like Ultimate Warrior was it.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, And the Ultimate Warrior was supposed to be the
guy that would take his spot and on him. I
think at the time when he did win the title,
I think he he held his spot down as long
as he could. But that's just the whole thing about
wrestling hot. It's hot during that time, so you know,
they want to make sure that they have somebody good

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holding that title exactly. Yeah, because because at the end
of the day, it's all about what the fans want
to see, so they got to make sure that they
make the right person champion and.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Then what brings money too to the title. So yeah,
that's how they do. And another thing, when I was
a kid coming up, I used to call him holding
hunk instead of.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, I mean it's this guy here, man. I think
he touched a lot of people, especially because, like I say,
I recall, you know, making championship belts. I was making
you know, t shirts, cutting them halfway just.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
So I could rip the shirt.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Off once I had to cut in there already, it
was easy to rip the rest of it off. And
you talking about somebody I actually, you know, was so
much of a wrestling fan. I started wrestling my friends
in the neighborhood. We actually started copying wrestling. We even

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became some of those famous wrestling names, and we tried
to you know, be them. We was pretending to be them,
you know, acting out and doing something everything. We even
went as far as with face blood and we started
promoting our own matches, you know. Yeah, so we was
doing it all. So it just goes to show you

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how much wrestling meant to a lot of people. Because
everybody was trying to copy it.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh yeah, there was. I was even trying to copy
when I had knocked my brother's too foul.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah. And then it was time and I was trying
to do the atomic legs leg drop his finisher, and
I hurt my butt doing that.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
And I'm gonna tell you the one thing that stands
out to me. I want to say, I think haul
Cogan was on this TV show.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
I don't know if it was Haraldough maybe it was.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I don't know if you were. You weren't even born
when I think he was. Though. Harado was like this
news caster, you know, he would always tell people wrestling
as fate, it's not real. So a lot of wrestlers
took wind of that and they got mad. I wanted
to say hall Cogan was the special guest on his show,

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and hall Cogan just flapped the ness out, like is
the real file? Is that real pile? I mean, then
I think he busts his nose or something. It was
a lawsuit foul.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, yeah, was.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Red as a strawberry. Oh wow, oh yeah, Hogan, man,
I want to say, Hawk did it to him? Yeah,
I remembered correctly.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, I think I've seen a documentary about this. I
want to say, he has slammed him and I think
he had hit his head on something.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, but he but he also hit him with something too.
I don't know what it was. But yeah, they got sued.
Yeah because because back then, you know, nobody really wanted
to put it out there.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Wrestling was actually scripted.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Everybody wanted to, you know, make sure that they kept
it as real as they possibly can.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
So, see, this is what people didn't understand. The wrestling
maneuvers are real, but it was scripted. So a lot
of people thought the moves that we were seeing in
the ring were fake. They was not fake. They were
actually real.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I mean, if you sit back and think about it,
Hawk Hogan damaged his body pretty bad all of the
falls that he took. If you look at all of
the restlers today, half of them can't even walk, you.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Know, back's gone, knees gone, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
So those maneuvers was really real and it was beating
their bodies up, but it was just scripted. Right.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
It's like they knew when it was coming, basically, right,
they knew when.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
It was coming, but it wasn't gonna change the fact
that the move was actually real.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Exactly, you're gonna still following their hard man yep, exactly,
Yeah that makes sense. And now what would you say
would be some of your favorite movies that he played in?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Wow, the first move. I was so excited about No
Hols Bird. That was the first movie. I went to
the show and saw it and I'll never forget it.
That's when he went against Zeus. You know Tiny Listers
character who we know in the movies Friday is Debo.
He actually came into wrestling, you know, back then, and

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you know, he was challenging hall Cogan because back then
they was trying to fan anybody that was big or
somebody that could become a big.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Name after hall Cogan.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
So they put both of them together and they really
didn't get along. And even when they shot the movie,
they was having problems in the movie Wow. You know,
yeah a lot of people didn't know that, but hal
Cogan didn't like Tiny Lister. They actually did the movie,
but I mean they had problems with it. They wanted

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Zeus to be somewhat of a big name like haul
Cogan and rock Hogan. Having that He's like, look, you know,
I'm the big name around here. And I'm not gonna
let this person, you know, take my spot. Of course,
they failed the movie, and the movie did good at
the box office. I know, I went and saw it.
And then when they started wrestling against each other, I mean,

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it just really got kind of sloppy. I think I
think Tiny Lister was probably I don't even think he
wrestled a good year. Because after they finished the movie,
of course they came back. He did cameos, and him
and Hawk Hogan, you know, had they little fights and
stuff in the ring or whatever, but it never really

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became anything big, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah yeah, But I mean at least the movie was releasing,
it was a success, But I wanted did they ever
rekindle things with them?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Who knows? I don't know. I mean, it's sad to say,
but both of them are, you know, deceased now, so
nobody knows what really happened between But I do recall
it that they they had some beef when they were
filming that movie. Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, but I may have to YouTube that. Did they
ever reconcound? Okay? And and then what was the first
video game you got where Hogan was in the game?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Wow? The first video game? I want to say it
was w w Maybe it was just wrestling, w w F,
a w w E wrestling, but he was in it.
I forgot which one it was, but I want to
say it was w w E.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh wasn't it like what did you like a stick
Man or something?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Oh? Yeah? The graphics wasn't nowhere near the way they
are not. So it was a WWF game, but the
graphics weren't nowhere near the way they are not.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, because I think you used to joke.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
They were they were, Yeah, And I'm gonna tell you this. See,
this is what a lot of people forget too. Paul
Cogan was so popular he had his own cartoon, you know,
rock and Roll Paul Cogan, right, It was called Rock
and Roll Wrestling. Cogan was the star of the cartoon.

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So you had all of the old school restlers, Captain
lu Albano, the Junkyard Dog, all of them guys was
in that cartoon. That's just how popular the w WF
was that most of their characters became cartoon characters on CV.
I used to get up every morning and watch it

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every Saturday morning, Rock and Roll Wrestling.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Wow, do you remember what network it came on? I
know seven, okay, yeah, okay, cool? And then how long
did you think it? How long did it last for?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I want to say probably about a good year or so,
because you know, they had some of the little how
can I put it the way they had is scripted
in the cartoons is it wasn't like you know we
saw it on TV when.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
They was wrestling. It was mostly like kids.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
He was actually like with kids, and the kids would
have a problem and then he would just try to
help them solve the problem and oh, you know, help
the kids get alan and all of that. So it
wasn't an actual wrestling cartoon. So he wasn't wrestling nobody.
He was just working with kids. He had his own gym,

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and you know, the kids would come there and work out,
and you know, some of the other wrestlers would be
in their training because remember he always talked about saying
your prayers, training and eating your vitamins. So he basically
scripted the cartoon around that. So a lot of kids
would come to his gym. And you can actually YouTube

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it and just look at just putting there Hal Cogan's
Rock and Roll Wrestling cartoon and you will see it.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay, yeah, I'm a deathly check it because of course
I never knew that.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, watched that. Man. I used to get up every
Saturday morning early to watch that cartoon.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Mm hmm with your bowl of cereal probably, oh.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Man, yeah, bowl of cereal.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I probably had some wrestling underwear at that time, right right.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, that's how big it was back then. Yeah. Yeah,
but I would have to say the first video game
I got while Hogan was in there was Wrestling the
eighteen on the game cube. Yeah, that was the one
me and me and Jacari had, so, yeah, we'll play
that game. And I think he was Hollywood Hogan at
this point. I don't think he was the regular Hole Colgan.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
And then of course the second one he was back
to Haul Hogan because he had the orange and it
I'm sorry to red and the yellow then and then
I remember you had got us this game called Legends
of Wrestling. This is when they made him. That game.
Game was horrible. That me trying to fight the wrestler,
I'm fighting the referee.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, and the buttons was all messed up.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, that game was.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And I think what that game was all about was
they was trying to keep it as realistic as they
possibly could because back then the wrestlers were able to
attack the referees.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, you know, so they could slam the referees if
they felt like the referees were wasn't, you know, on
their side or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
So right, yeah, but it's like I was shrining not
to fight the reference still, and then they kind of
fought too slow on it. It's like if they do
a sledg tremer like that, they're doing this, It's like, yeah, yeah,
that game it was crazy though, but I got to
say eighteen and nineteen was the best games he was in. Yeah,
and I remember when my brother was had did Royal

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Rumble and I think he was brock lessler. So hul
Hogan came out to the ring on the game and
then before Hogan could get in the rink, he kicked
him and made him believe and they said he eliminated
that's what they said.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
So so back then that that was their way of
trying to keep the game realistic exactly. I saw they
was trying to, you know, really change it up to
where it could be as realistic as possible as far
as what we would see them do on TV.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Is that yep. And then now he's a non lockable
character now because I think the last best wrestler game
I played on the Xbox was WWE two K fourteen,
So you did twenty I think it was at the time,
twenty five years of wrestle Mania, thirty years WrestleMania. I
had to do everything with Houlgan. I did one, two,

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Wressell Mannia three four for all of that, and I
locked all the Hogans and stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
And it's funny because, as you know, I got a
PlayStation five, which I don't even play it. Yeah, you know,
it's just basically just sitting. I want to say, the
last time it's even been played was when you was here.
Uh huh, I think I played with it since then.
The graphics so on here is what you've seen. The

(29:14):
graphics on here is unreal.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh I'm sure they look just like you played it.
You played it, they looked just like themselves. And also
w C W. Mayhem, that was another game he was
in and I used to play. That was on the
Nintendo sixty four. That was when he was Hollywood Ho
and then.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Wow, yes, yeah, yeah it was. It was so many
different games, so many different systems, but this PlayStation five
that I get. I think they outdid themselves with this
because oh yeah, the graphics on here, I mean they
look so realistic, it's unreal. Yeah, you know, and just

(29:52):
just to see how far wrestling is gone. They making
billions of dollars.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Oh yeah, they for all of yep. And what's cool,
I mean, what's cool about it is it's like TKO
took over and it's like this is still making his money.
Of course Triple H is making his money. It's like
they're making money each and every day, every single hour,
you never know. Yeah, so yeah, it has come a

(30:20):
long way though.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
And I think Triple H, you know, stepping in there
for Vince McMahon, I think that was a good move.
And the reason why I say that is because Triple
H understands the business. I mean, he's been a champion, yeah,
you know, and he's also a legend, so he understands
what needs to be done to keep.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
The fans happy.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Because at the end of the day, that the fans
not happy, then wrestling loses a lot of money. So
he has to make sure that, you know, everybody is
is right as far as what they bring into the
ring and making sure that these matches are quality, the
matches that the fans would want to see. More importantly,

(31:04):
they got to make sure that they have the right
person carrying you know, the organization. I agree, yeah, you know, because,
like I say, you know, you had John Cena, who
I thought did an incredible job when he was champion.
He was the face of the w w E and
he held it down pretty good. Then I think from

(31:26):
there you had let's see after him, Roman Reigns, I
want to say, became kind of the face of the
w w E. H And then you know, he did it,
you know, a pretty good job. I think he probably
was champion the longest of anybody. And then of course,

(31:49):
you know, he had to deal with some of his
physical health issues, and I think that's something that led
to them happened to make a change with him because
he needed some time off to address his health, which
I think was pretty smart.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
And then and there they turned.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
It over to Cody Rhodse and I thought, you know,
Cody did pretty good and up until last year's WrestleMania,
as you know, well, this year's Wrestleminga, I wasn't happy
with that because I definitely didn't want to see John
Cena win. It's it's the way that he had won,
and I just didn't think they needed to turn it

(32:29):
back over to him. I don't think John Cena should
be the face right now is the champion, I agree.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I mean, well, I knew he was gonna beat a
seventeen times champion, but I didn't know. I didn't think
that outcome was gonna be the way it was. I
know he's healed now, but I just felt like the
outcome should have been better.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, and then too, the match. You know, honestly, I
wasn't happy with the match. I don't. I really don't
think it was a good match at all. I really
didn't like it. I mean, I felt like it should
have been scripted a little different. There's no way I
would have let John Cena beat him that. That wasn't

(33:10):
a good way for him to lose that title.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Nah, you know, especially you know with it being wrestle Mania,
you think Wressellmania should have a big outcomes, a bigger,
better outcome.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
And the fact that he's still champion right now, it's
it's unreal to me. But I also know SummerSlam is
coming up. I believe they're supposed to face each other
in SummerSlam, that's correct.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
My hopes is that they give it back to Cody
because John Cena. First of all, he don't even look
right as the champion at all. I mean, he just
really don't. I mean, he needs to just really retire,
you know. I mean physically, he does not look in shape,
you know. I mean it looks like he's just just

(33:58):
all wrinkled up out there.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
You know. Yeah, he ain't. He ain't in two thousand
and six suns.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
No, No, not at all. Yeah. If anything, you know,
I would have went on and probably you know, gave
it to somebody else, you know, somebody else that was
up and coming.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Mm hmm. I agree, yeah, But you know how they're
trying to do it though. And then, like I said,
I had already knew he was going to become the
seventeen time champion because they kind they were trying to
succeed him from Rick Flair. That's how he was doing.
But I don't think but I think he may not.
I think he's going to retain that Summer Slap but
lose a Survivor series.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
The question is if that happens, who.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Does he lose to Cody Rhodse.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
So no, I'm saying so but so SummerSlam. You think
Cody Rhodse is gonna get the.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Title back, No, I think he's gonna. John Cena is
gonna retain.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Okay, then he'll get him in the.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Next one correct Aviva series. That's what I think is
gonna happen because John, I mean, he done dece is
and I think that's when he may turn the babby
face a turn to a babby face again.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
After that, yeah, they might skip it like that. And
you know, like I said, I just think I can
see why, you know, Roman Reigns probably don't have the
title anymore because I think there's a concern as far
as his physical health.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
If he becomes the champion, can he.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Really do a lot of wrestling. So that's probably why
they don't want him having a title right now. Cody Roose,
I know there was some talk about his back. His
knees are in pretty bad shape from what I know. Yeah,
they've said so you just got to look at it.
A lot of these wrestlers now, if you think about it,

(35:46):
Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes, they are actually old to wrestling.
If you think about it, they've been wrestling for some years.
That's why now they bodies are starting to break down.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Jades can't even walk straight no more.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Now they said his hip is out of line.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, so at some point he's gonna have to retire.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
So it's like now they have to be thinking about
some of the young guys, you know, maybe one of
the USO brothers. You know, I think they seem to
be pretty good with the fans. Who else is out there?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
The guy that's from Chicago here, Oh seeing Punk?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, see him Punk? You know, maybe take a look
at him. If you a champion for a little bit.
They they're gonna have to figure this out because if
Cody Rhodes can't stay healthy, Roman Reigns can't stay healthy,
Sena is on his way out. So now who really
becomes the face of wrestling because it's been Cody Rhodes

(37:01):
for the longest.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, but yeah, I think it could It could be
seen because he he will challenge Gonther as SummerSlam on
next Sunday, So yeah, he's definitely he has a chance
to be the champion. But I think what they're trying
to do is they're trying to set Sammy Zaane to
be thenther to be the guy.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Now you y you think that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, I think he's gonna possibly win the Rumbo next
year and go on to to be the champion. I
could see him possibly being the next guy.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, I like him. So yeah, we'll see though.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting because they definitely got to
fan somebody to take that spot because if them guys
can't stay healthy, you gotta have somebody with that belt
that the fans is gonna want to see. Is that
because you still got to keep a mand all of
their events. You're talking about wrestle Mania and all of that.

(37:57):
So it's like wrestle Maney is the super Bowl of wrestling,
so you have to make sure that you have the
right people in place in order to make the fans
want to even come out and support it.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Mm hmm yeah, I agree. I agree. So, now, like
going back to Hogan now, and what would you say
would be a shocking moment but that you witnessed with Paul.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Holgan as far as wrestling, Yeah, okay, in general, Okay,
so we'll say in wrestling, it was probably when he
lost to the Ultimate Warrior. No, nobody saw that coming,
you know. And to be honest with you, I think
they did a great job with that script because nobody

(38:40):
ever thought he was gonna lose to the Ultimate Warrior.
And it was a pretty good match, you know. The
sports the sportsmanship was there when he lost, you know,
and that was big.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah. And and and you know what, I remember finally
watching that match, and it looked like Holgan kicked out
at three and the last he lost.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, it was close, but he lost. Yeah, so because
they replayed it and you can clearly see the shoulder
was still down.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Uh, and then he was outside of the ring crying
and stuff because he don't want to get the title.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
The one thing he said at leastsmanship.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
I think there was probably only another shocking thing too,
was I've never ever seen Haul Cogan scared of anything.
The first time I ever saw fear in his eyes
the first time he saw the Undertaker. I will never

(39:41):
forget it. He came out with Paul Beer. I never
for this is when I want to say he made
his debut. I think the Undertaker made his debut this day,
and Paul Cogan just happened to be in the ring
or something. Sure enough, the lights went out and that
man came down the owl and you know he was

(40:02):
walking on top of them ropes. Al Corgan was looking terrified.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because he'd be undertaken there. Used
to look real scary back then.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, you know. And not only that, I must say
the Undertaker was well, he was skilled too, and that's
what a lot of people don't know about him. He
was very skilled. I mean he had some skills to
walk on a rope like a tight line. The way
that he did.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
It, yeah, and not far.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
That was amazing and a lot of people can't do that.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
So he was.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
So he was very athletic to me. Yeah, because he
used to play basketball too.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah. You know, so he was doing a lot of
you know, big things because when he came in, he
actually took wrestling by storm.

Speaker 6 (40:53):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
You know, I mean he came in and he became
a big name. I mean we saw what he did
witham Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I mean if it was like I said, it was
a beholder, then the Undertaker WrestleMania would.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Not be where it was that No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
You know, you think about it a whole game. Main
have been in like what for WrestleManias or five WrestleManias
in a row, and then you have the Undertaker with
an impressive streak nobody would ever duplicate again. Yeah, so
yeah those.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Gay Yeah, And what's amazing to me is I'm surprised
that the Undertaker never really became the world champion. And
he didn't really I don't even know if he ever
did he did.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I mean, he is a multiple, multiple time WWE champion,
but I don't think he wanted as many times or
held it as many times, hold.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Right, and he didn't really hold it that loan like
the times that he did win. He didn't hold it
that long.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Okay, yeah, that's true. Yeah, but at least we could
say he wanted. He had an impressive WrestleMania street he did.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I mean, that guy had a great career, he did.
He had a great career. I think seniors had a
good career. You know some of the guys that I
actually missed, you know, I missed Edge. I think Edge
his career ended too soon, of course we know how
because he had some bad injuries.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Oh but he came back he on a w right now, Okay, yeah,
he's still around him and Christian.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
And see that's the whole thing again.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
They going to all of these other wrestling you know,
organizations instead of being in the w w E. So
you got the ae W and you got is it
somebody else outside of them? Yeah? So yeah, so that
so that's just the whole thing that this is when
you know your career is going down. When you when

(42:50):
you leave the w w E and you're not able
to come back there and you start going to ae
W and all of those other organizations. That's when you
know your career is going down.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, or that you're on your way outter don't forget.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Well, that you're real that you're on your way out
to do it?

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah, because don't keep you on. Ae W is decent,
but of course w W is to go right now. Yeah,
so we can't sleep on it because you look at
how well they promote their events, how they could sell
out an event like that. You know, how they can
get people, how they can attract people just like that,
you know they still doing well though.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I'm gonna tell you what's funny. I don't even I've
never seen a w I've never watched it. None of that.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, I've seen it though I've seen a little bit
of it. It's decent, but it, like I said, it was
never compared to W.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I've never seen none of the wrestlers. I don't let
me rephrase it. I don't know none of the wrestlers
now and I've never watched it.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, but we know that's where Jay Cargill came from.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, but you know, and that was big for her
because truth be told, I mean, she was probably the
biggest name in ae W actually her name, her name
was bigger than the guys. She was actually the main
person over there, because that's all they ever talked about

(44:15):
was this Jamee Krgill. They never talked about none of
the guys over there.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, never, that's true. And then I would have to
say a shock and the hold of the moment for
me was where he had came. He had made an
appearance at WrestleMania, and I think he was celebrated with
the Rock and Stone coach Steve Boston. So yeah, I
would said that was the surprise because nobody expected for
him to come back. Yeah, and then he had got

(44:43):
inducted into the Hall of Fame in two thousand and five,
and he had made that appearance and he had beat
up and I think it was Muhammed her Son at
the time. He beat up along with Davari, his manager.
So that was a memorable, shocking moment because nobody didn't
see that coming.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah him, you know, it's it's it's so many great
moments of Hull Cogan. I mean, this guy was definitely
a great wrestler. Of course, I can't speak too much
in terms of his personality who he was outside of
the ring, because you don't think about it. We were

(45:19):
actually looking at two different people in the ring. He
entertained us. So that's the Hull Cogan I know in
the Hall Cogan that I think I would always remember.
But I do know outside of the ring he's had
a lot of controversy his life and you know some
things that you know, people didn't really feel too good

(45:43):
about him, you know, and I think Rick Flair summed
it up the other day when they interviewed him, which
Rick Flair took that pretty hard with Hull Coogan because
I'm in hope were pretty good friends, and you know,
there was talk of, you know, some racist remarks that
Hawk Hogan has made about blacks that a lot of

(46:06):
people didn't like. I actually recall you know what was saying.
It was something about his daughter. I think she was
on the verge of dating a black guy, right, and
Hawk Hogan didn't like it, and he referred to him
as the N word. So, you know, that caught everybody's

(46:26):
eye when public. You know, he tried to deny it,
but he couldn't deny it because it was recorded. So
you know a lot of people looking at that too.
But I just tend to look at it like this,
I would put you know, I would prefer to just
try to remember the guy that entertained this. I honestly
believe a lot of them got flaws because racism is

(46:50):
something that I think we're gonna always have to deal with.
It's not going nowhere. You know, people can pretend to,
you know, be a certain way, but behind closed doors,
you really don't know who they are.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
You know, they just showing us what we want to
see on TV.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
But behind closed doors, you know, we really don't know
who these guys are. We do know he was a
Trump supporter, you know, when Donald Trump, you know, was
running for you know, Resident hal Cogan was like one
of the leading the campaign. He even came to the convention,
did spoke up for him. So and we know what
Trump stands for, you know, so that I can honestly

(47:35):
say as a hall Hogan fan. And when I say
a fan, I want to make sure that everybody understands
when I'm talking about who's going to be listening. I
was a fan of haw Hogan the wrestler. As far
as hall Hogan's the man, I wasn't really a huge
fan of bet because once I learned of some of

(47:56):
the things that he has said about black to me,
being a black man myself, that really didn't sit well
with me.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Oh yeah, I don't think it sat well with nobody
of color. So I just hope he had apologized for
those comments, you know, even though it's not going to
justify that it was okay, because it wasn't. I just
have to clear up his image after that and apologize.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
For that, Yeah, because you know, people make mistakes or
whatever the case, whatever way he was feeling.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
I mean, because I was always told that people.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Speak on what they truly feel, So in that moment,
he really he probably really felt that way. But I mean,
not just Haulkogan, but It's probably a whole bunch of
other wrestlers that might be the same way he is
outside of the ring. We would never know it, because
you gotta remember they showing us a different internship of

(48:53):
them on TV.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Right, we don't know who they are personally, Yeah, you
know so, But otherwise I always say, you know, I
was a huge fan of the wrestler.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Paul Kogan was a huge wrestling fan. Yep.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Same here. You know, as far as the person goes, no,
but as far as the wrestler, yes.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, I mean the man entertained everybody. I'm here to
tell you, you know, God rest is the soul and
I talk. I'm speaking to my grandfather now, you know.
But my grandfather, you know, he used to order pizzas
for me every Friday, the Saturday nights man, I'm sorry,

(49:34):
you know, every Saturday, rather because Saturday Nice Man event
was coming on almost every Saturday.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
It wasn't like it is right now that they was
doing this almost like every Saturday, right, yeah, every Saturday,
my grandfather would get a pizza for us from Reggio's.
I'll never forget it. And watch this.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
It came on at ten o'clock at night.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like maybe eleven or twelve then.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
M Yeah, didn't stay on for like an hour or two.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Stayed on for about a good hour.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Oh okay, it's kind of remind me of Sunday Night.
He is Saturday Night Velocity. When I was growing up,
it was it was, you know, wrestling three matches only
four hours.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, you know, so like I say, you know, just
coming up man, just wrestling. I mean, I was just
crazy about wrestling. Like I say, you know. The one
thing that you know, I would always be able to
say is that I was able to see a lot
of my favorite wrestlers in person. But Haul Corgan was

(50:47):
one that I never got an opportunity to see in person. Okay,
He's definitely one I would have loved to have seen
wrestle live.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Oh wow, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I never got an opportunity to see him wrestling. But
I saw Rick Flair and Rex Logan and all of them,
the Horsemans I used. I saw them guys rested so
many times.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Oh yeah, because it was at the seven, correct, I.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Never got a chance because you know, Hall Cogan, you know,
they came to the Rosemont Horizon a lot. That's where
the WWF always came. But uh huh, I never went
to none of the matches. Excuse me. I think as
time went on, I got connected with the n w A,

(51:33):
so I left the w w F while Hogan was
still there. I became a diehard Rick Flair fan. Yeah,
horsemen and all of them. So I started going to
the matches. My sister probably took me to every wrestling
match that ever came here to Chicago. She made sure

(51:53):
I was there.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Oh yeah, And I think you told me this story before,
because you and my cousin catched the chicken pox on
one of those wrestling sure did.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I'll never forget. That was the night that Lex Lugar
was going up against Hawk of the Road Warriors, and
we had good seats. We actually had seats over there
where they come out, and Lex was so terrified a Hawk.
I'll never forget. The music came on, Hall came out.

(52:26):
Uh uh you know. Then Lex ran out the ring
and Lex purposely got hisself disqualified because he didn't want
to wrestle Hawk because Hawk wanted him bad, you know.
So yeah, man, we just found out probably later on
that that night we had chicken box had no idea.
But we was at that match with the chicken box.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Wow, because you said you had a bump on your
neck and you had the pop.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah, I touched it.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
It's not like, you know, the regular bump, like if
you got a bump on your face, if you touched it,
ain't gonna pop, right, just gonna be there. But the
chicken pop like when if you touch it, it's gonna pop.
But the crazy part about it is they started to spread.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Oh yeah, and they itch real bad.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I mean it got to the point where, man, I
didn't know what was happening to me. They made me
feel so weak, man, I can't even put in words.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, and I'm glad they got a vaccine for it now,
because it seemed like back in those days that they
even have a vaccine for the chicken pox.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
They did, But I called him some way. I caught him.
As a matter of fact, all of us call him.
I think the only person in the house that didn't
catch the chicken pox was my sister Sherry and my grandfather.
They were the only two that didn't get them. And

(53:55):
to me, that was unreal. Everybody got it, you know, dollar,
I ain't got them all three of the kids got them,
Courtney Marlin and meets your nine You. Mechi is a baby.
Mechi is probably about a good wow, maybe a good
three months. So she had to put booties on his

(54:20):
hands to stop him from scratching his face. Oh man, man,
we had them chicken pox for man, maybe a good
two two or two or three weeks or so.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
That's agonizing that that's it's like you rather to have
a cold and chicken.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah. We had to take oatmeal baths, like me and Courtney.
We used to have to get in the bath to
it with oatmeal, the oat meal that you eat, yep,
because the oat meal is you know, that used to
you know, kind of help with the scratching and the irritation.
But and we had to put this coler man lotion
on us to stop us from itching so much. Oh,

(55:04):
it was unreal. I'm here to tell you I wouldn't
want it again. I think right now, me being in
my fifties is called something else now shingles. Yeah, shingles.
It would be considered shingles, which yeah, I think I'm
gonna go ahead and get the vaccine for that, Yeah,
just in case, because I couldn't even imagine trying to

(55:30):
deal with that at my age.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Now, Nah, you don't want so because yeah, because they said,
well after you catch the chickapasta, shingles virus is in you. Yeah,
so yeah, I definitely look at a getting it yep.
And I would say what was your favorite quote that
whole again would say before a match like the answers,
he would say, brother, you know what you know something
mean gene or what you're gonna do with hawker Mania

(55:54):
runs wild on you?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
That one there, you know what you're gonna do when
hawker Mania runs wild on you?

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
That that was the same everybody lived for, you know,
because anytime he said that, everybody was excited, especially because
everybody was brother. Yeah you know, of course, you know,
make sure you say your prayers, you train, you eat
your lineys. Because during that time he was promoting health
and wellness.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
You know, the kids looked up to him.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
So his whole name was say your prayers, do your exercising,
and take your vitamins.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
So he was really pushing that hard. So everybody like that.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, now can you appersonate those quotes?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You know one that I used to always I used
to actually do it in the in the mirror all
the time, just the way he used to say, just
brother all the time, because you know, every everybody was,
you know, brother, like he would always he used to remember.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Mean, yeah announcer, Yeah you know something mean Jeane.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I can't wait, brother, when I get in the ring,
I'm gonna snatch him.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I used to do this all the time, so it
was always brother. Yeah, everybody was that, you know. So
I would always do that all the time. You know
I used to do that around the house. Your auntie,
you used to think I was crazy. I used to
do it.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
I used to walk around with my underwear on, with T.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Shirts on and in the mirror acting like him. So yeah,
you know I was a huge hawk Hoggan fan.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
I mean hey, he was, like you said, he was
pretty much to Michael Jordan of Rustling.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yes, he was. He was nobody greater than him. I
mean he we we definitely lost a great one. Yeah,
we did that dude. That dude was really something special.
You know when I when I speak of it from
just entertainment, he was all of that. He he really
entertained us.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
M Yeah, he did didn't miss a beat either.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
And I think one thing that stood out to me
was his introduction music to this day, to this day
as we speak right now, because I just heard it
the other day. Any any time that music comes on,
it gives me chills, yeah, because everybody got excited when

(58:25):
you heard that music. To me, it's almost like the
the Chicago Bulls introduction when Michael was playing he pumped
up when they heard it with that real American song.
Oh man, that's that was the song there. You know,
everybody got excited when they heard that, especially when he
did the video for it.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Oh yeah, I heard about that. It's still on YouTube
to this day. It was.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I watched it yesterday.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Oh okay, yeah, Now do you remember when that when?
When when was that release of the video?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Wow? This this hat have been like.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
In the early eighties okay, somewhere around.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Eighties, eighty five eighty because the.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Song is oh yeah, oh yeah, the song.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Is though, So I want to say they did this
like probably in the early eighties.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Okay, yeah, yeah, and it's still popular to this day.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, very popular.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
And I was and then what would be a funny
how Colga moment for you?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
A funny how colder moment for me. Let's see. Probably
he I think he was getting ready to wrestle. I
think it was Paul arrendlef he was getting ready to
wrestle Paul Arren and he was talking to Mean Zing

(59:54):
and he said to the fact that he had to
call Sylvester Stallone, you know, to motivate him and let.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Him know that it's gonna be alright or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I'll never forget that. And he said, I had to
call my main man, Sylvester Stallone, you know, because it's
no better time to go to war right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
So yeah, Actually that was some time after he did
Rocky three.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
When you talk about something funny, Rocky three was definitely funny.
When he played Thunderlips. Oh yeah, I thought the man
was to be that big, you know. I mean it's like,
you know, I mean, I've always felt like the body.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Can only get so big on his own, but Coogan
was huge.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yeah. I mean, if you look at the movie, his
head was the size of a TV.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Big. And you know what's funny this make man did
not want him to do that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
No, not at all because the reason why they didn't
want him to do the movie because I think they
knew one they was afraid that it was gonna expose
wrestling in a negative way, but it did the complete
opposite of what they thought was gonna happen. It actually

(01:01:15):
made Hogan even bigger by doing the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yes, I agree, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Too, I think Vince McMahon was afraid that hall Cogan
was gonna leave and going and going to Hollywood. That's
why he didn't want him to do it, because you know,
once he get a taste of that, Okay, if I
can make money doing this, and I'm sure because I
know Sylvester Stallone spoke out about him passing the other day, right,

(01:01:44):
and he said haw Cogan was definitely a talent. You know,
he talked about, of course Rocky three when they filmed it.
He said, he said Hogan had what it took to
going to Hollywood, basically what we're seeing now with the rock.
So Vince McMahon knew haul Cogan at that time was
his moneymaker, so he didn't want to mess that up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Right, hal Cogan had Vince McMahon right away.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
He wanted him because he was the marquee person in
the w w F at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Yeah, I agree, and that was actually I was gonna
say that too. That was a funny moment too of Holgan.
It's like in the movie when he was about to
get ready to I mean get ready to fight and
they announced Slash cares of course Rocky by ball, but
he got mad when the Craft started sadding with him
and not said of a pill. He was like, don't
you He played that role.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Of course, and actually Slash said yesterday what people don't
know in the movie when hall Corgan threw I want
to say that the rough out the room. Yeah, to
a crowd of people, you say that was real. He
told him to just go all out, do what you

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normally would do. And when he was out there punching people,
he was really hitting him. Oh wow, because you remember
some of the punches when he was hitting people and
they was flying across that ring. He was hitting him
for real. Oh wow. Slide told him don't just go
ahead and do you because they wanted it to be
as real as possible, Like when he threw Rocky out

(01:03:25):
the ring. That was real.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Yeah, but I'm sure they trained on how to safely
execute that stuff though.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Well, you know what the way Slide put it because
into the way he talks. That man didn't get beat
up for real and a lot of his movies. I'm sure, yeah,
you know, because I didn't know that dog lunger and
put him in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Oh well, I didn't know either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
He said he hit him just real hard or something,
and something happened with his breathing or something, and they
had to stop the filming for two weeks. Vester Stallone
was in the hospital for two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Oh wow, yeah, yeah, I mean so it was with
shortness of breath or something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
It was something with shortness of breath and something else
when he took that punch to the chest.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, well, and then that dude was big
though still to this day.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yeah, you know. I was just watching Creed two the
other day, which is one of my favorite movies. Oh okay,
you know, I can't I kind of like the Creed
to Creed two was alrighty, Creed three, I didn't like.
I think that's something they could have just kept that
in a book somewhere and never even filmed it. It

(01:04:48):
was stupid and didn't even make sense, you know. But
Creed two was my favorite. Oh okay, yeah, Creed one
was alright too, you know, of course, because it exposed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
A different side of Rocky.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
You know, Rocky of course got sick and his character,
Donna's was, you know, taking care of him. But Sly
actually originally wrote that script where he was supposed to
die in the first Creed. Oh wow, he wasn't even
supposed to survive the cancer that he had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
In there, he was supposed to die. I watched the
interview when he said it. But what happened was when
he wrote it that way, some of his partners didn't
want him, didn't want him to die out like that. Okay,
so they told him like, no, I don't think that
would be a good idea. Man. We really need to
keep you relevant, right, Okay, So obviously they knew they

(01:05:49):
was going to do a Creed too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Okay, think about it, had they'd have done Creed too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Donas goes up against Drago's son Rocky trains Apollo.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Creed's saying, what better way?

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
That makes sense?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah? So so he couldn't die in the first Creed, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah? And I heard they're supposed to be coming out
of a Creed for Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I don't know, I haven't heard anything about Creed four,
but I know Creed three.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Slide didn't want.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
He didn't even direct this, so yeah, no, he didn't
even direct.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
He didn't even direct three. So the thing is is
that obviously they was on different terms with that movie.
So I don't know, how do you do Creed four?
I mean, I think the only thing that stood out
with me. Remember, Donas is old. He old now, so
he really can't fight nobody again unless they gonna try

(01:06:46):
to drag him out like they did Rocky.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
But to me, who else is he gonna fight?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
You know? It just it wouldn't even make sense because
he's already fought his most toughest challenge and that was
Drago's son.

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
There was nobody even this guy that he fought in Rocky.
I'm sorry, and Creed three he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
No Drago, Nah, it was somebody he grew up with.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, you know, so that that didn't make sense. But
I tell you this, I think what would make a
good Creed four if they should do it? A Dina's
daughter was trying to box. I don't know if you
remember the ending credits of it before it went off,

(01:07:34):
she was in the ring, you know, throwing punches and everything. Yeah,
and she was. She was moving pretty quick in the
way she was throwing them punches.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
That was that was something big. So I say this
to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
They could probably script that to where his daughter becomes
a boxer. Yep, and he trains you know, the daughter. Now,
what would really be big is that if he did
Creed four and he got the real champion of boxing

(01:08:12):
right now, Clarissa Shields. You I don't know if you
know who that is. She's actually the Ladies heavyweight champion
right now. So let's just say, for instance, he got
Clarissa Shields to do the movie, but he found somebody
else to play his daughter. Then that daughter can fight

(01:08:33):
Clarissa Shields.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
But the question becomes who wins in Hulu.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Or if they could do it, or if they could
do two matches like they did a Creed too, have
it to what his daughter take the loss first and
then she win the second time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yeah, you can do it that way too. Yeah, Because
I mean the way his daughter was moving towards the
end of the movie, I'm like, you know what, he
might be able to script something with that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, and it might be better than what he did the
last one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, So that that was really the only thing that
stood out to me that I think that he could
possibly do a creed for with.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Oh okay, I mean that one. You never know, right,
So now back to and again, how did you feel
when he went to w CW.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
It didn't feel right because the way I looked at
hull Kogan, I mean, he was definitely a WWF guy. Yeah,
you know, but again it's like, you know, so many
different federations were coming about, Like again, you had the NWA,
you had the u WF, you had World Class, So
all of them was really competing with each other. So

(01:09:45):
it was really all about where they was going to
make the most money, because that's basically what it was.
You know, if he goes over to the u WF,
how many fans can he put in the seat? You know,
I mean what people really take to him the way
he was in the WWF. But because haul Cogan was
such a big name, no matter where he went, you know,

(01:10:09):
the fans was gonna follow that anyway, right, So that
that was gonna work. You know, if you put him
in the you know, w w E, it was gonna work.
W c W re it was gonna work because he
was still a big name. Yeah he was, But to
me he was definitely WWF for show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Oh yeah. But they said that with w c W
that was more of a business move though, you can tell.
And then the amount of money they was paying them
basketball contract money, yeah they were, yeah, And then they
had to kind of put an end to that because
it's life. That's too much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah yeah, you know. So the thing is is that,
you know, these guys are taking.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
These hard falls yep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
You know, I mean injuring their bodies. You know, bucks
needs shoulders. You know, if you really look at it,
their lives is not really good after they retire because
I mean, their bodies are so beat up. You know,
hal Corgan had about twenty something surgeries.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
That's a lot of surgeries.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
His back wasn't no good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
He could barely walk. His knees was gone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yeah yeah, say, I mean that that body took a
lot on top of the steroids that he was using too,
because you think about it, that man was huge, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
And then they could mess with your heart too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Definitely, So you think about it, there's no telling, you know,
the steroids probably had something to do with what he
went through too. M.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Probably.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Yeah, the steroids can kill you down the road because
you have to deal with the side effects of them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
That you think, because you got to look at how
long was he used in steroids? Haul Cogan was wrestling
for years? Yeah, because what stands out to me is
that when he did w CW. When he went to
w c W, I don't know if you notice, look
how small he was. Yeah. Do you remember when he

(01:12:21):
debuted m M.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I looked at it on YouTube, but I think at
that point he was probably trying to have kids, so
that's probably why he got off of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
No, I think what he was he was trying to
get it out of his system, them steroids. That's so yeah,
because I think what it was is that he went
on a draft spell. I've heard this in bodybuilding that
most bodybuildings that use steroids they have to go on
a draft spell because they can't keep using it because
at some point it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Break their bodies down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
So I think at the time hal Cogan went to
w c W, he was, you know, trying to dry
out a little bit. M. Because you can clearly see
if the man didn't have a muscle nowhere, Nah he was.
He was just long and wrinkled. M yep.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
But yeah, then that can affect your testosterone level too. Yeah,
yeah all that. Yeah, and how did you feel when
he when he joined the nWo Scott hall Man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
You know what, I really didn't like that because the
hall Cogan that you know I grew up on was
never heal. You know, hall Coogan was always a good guy.
So when he turned Hell, I don't know, that just
really didn't look right on him. Yeah, a lot of
people were shocked about it too. Yeah, but you know
what the whole thing is. You know, it's a business.

(01:13:44):
So you know, turning him hell probably made money mm hm.
You know because nobody ever saw him bad. I never
saw hallcokan bad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
You know, so you're turning him hell was. It's a
money maker. Sometimes you gotta change. That's just like with
the Rock. But the Rock is so good he can
go heal or a good guy. But for Hogan, no,
Hogan should have never went here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Oh yeah, you know, kind of like how they're doing
with John Cena, making him money by being here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah, you know that that whole thing with John Cena.
To me, it's just flat out crazy. Yeah. I can't
even watch wrestling home moment when that man won't that title.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
I just can't even watch him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's all right, Yeah, yeah, we'll see now.
Do you remember where you were at when you found
out that Hogan was going into the two thousand and
five Hall of Fame and the twenty twenty Hall of Fame?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Wow, I think I was. I was at home watching
TV when they announced that he was going into the
Hall of Fame, okay, and I was thinking to myself,
it's about time. Because what I don't like about the
WWE they wait too long to put people in the
Hall of Fame. Too long, you basically waiting for these

(01:15:10):
guys to be almost deceased, you know, before you even
think about putting them in there. So that's why I
think it was good that, you know, he did get
in at the time he did, yep, you know, because
you just never know. I mean, these guys, you know,
bodies been beating up from fall all of them falls

(01:15:31):
in the rings, hurting their backs and all of it.
So you know, he should have been in there. To me,
I thought he should have been in before five. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
But you know what they really had because I know
in nineteen ninety three was the first Hall of Fame,
but I think they had took a break and got
back into it in two thousand and four. Yeah or yeah,
So that probably explains why he got in in O five.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
But you know, because I'm gonna tell you the most
called Rick Flair got in the fastest of anybody. And
the reason why I say this is because when Rick
finally retired, if you think about it, maybe a year
or two later he was in the Hall of Fame.
He didn't even wait that long. Rick got in quick, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
But I think when he was going to wrestle his
last match with Sean that was when he got in
that year of OA.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Yeah, so I mean it was coming, but I think
what it was was that Rick Flair just couldn't let
it go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
You know. Rick told the whole world in his documentary
that he was addicted to that life. He was addicted
to wrestling. If you really think about it, wrestling destroyed
a lot of their lives. Yeah, I did, you know,
because you think about it, you on the road almost
three hundred and sixty five days a year, so they

(01:16:53):
was away from their families. You know, a lot of
them ended up, you know, becoming depressed. You know a
lot of them started using drugs and all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Yeah, and then with the pain, with the pain.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah. So you think about it, you're talking about the drugs,
the steroids, because how many restlers committed suicide. Quite a
few of them did, mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Yeah, it's really It's sad though.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
But it didn't bout yourself up. That's one of the
reasons why I like The Rock. I have the utmost
respect for him because The Rock is smart. The Rock
basically did an interview I just saw it here recently
where he talked about his father, you know where he
was starting him off, Rocky Johnson, who I know very

(01:17:46):
well because he was in the w w F and
dude had a body out of this world. He was
really fit. So The Rock felt like as Tim went on,
you know, he was like, man, I'm beating my body
up like this, you know. I don't know then when
the Rundown script came to him, because that was the

(01:18:08):
first movie he did, so once he did the Rundown,
I mean the Scorpion King it was one. I don't know.
I thought it was a rundown. But when he did that,
he was thinking like, Okay, well man, maybe this is
something I can do too, because see the Rock was
thinking about why not do both because he already knew

(01:18:29):
wrestling was only gonna be for so long. Because he
said he didn't want to have his body beat up.
He had just had a little girl and he wanted
to be able to enjoy his time with his daughter.
He didn't be beat up, so that's why he's really
not rested. But then to look at him, he's making
millions just doing movies. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
And he got in the he is a partnership. He
got a partnership with TKO two.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Yeah, so you know having it then I think he
has a partnership with.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
W W two right right yeh tk O W the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Yeah, so just having that partnership, you know, shoot, I
can't really gotta do too much. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
He good. He stepped for life. He basically did his dudes,
because when you look back at the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
What are those called reality shows they did it with
hall Cogan and his family, you can clearly see that
hall Cogan was having some issues with his family and
the reality show. You know, I used to watch ye,
and to me, you saw the division that was starting

(01:19:43):
to happen between him and his wife. You saw the
division that was starting to happen between him and his daughter.
Then you saw the division with him and his son
because Nick started using drugs mm hmm. Then his daughter
she got to the point where she wanted to start

(01:20:03):
being out more and she wanted to start dating people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
You know. And then his wife, I mean, she got
to the point where I think they just disconnected from
each other, and eventually, as everybody know, they divorced.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Yeah, but he had got remarried again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, and he got remarried again. He married sons. Wow,
that girl, I think she was like maybe forty.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
He was older than her.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Way, Oh yeah, I think she was like forty years old.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Matter of fact, he ain't. He hasn't been married that long.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
He just married her like maybe a year and a
half ago. Oh yeah. And then so so you think
about it, he married this girl when he was sixty nine,
she was forty. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
I don't know, but I mean, but at least she
was with him until the end though.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
All right, So now his wife did him so wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Yeah. I saw it on the documentary though that I'm
not a documentary on the TV series. It was when
him and his daughter went out to dinner and he
just broke down crying about it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Really yeah, uh huh, she did run. She did that
man so wrong, it ain't even funny. Yeah, took all
of his money.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
That was wrong. It's like she took every dame out
of him.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Yeah, and Linda was crazy anyway, because if you look
at the reality show, you can clearly see she just
wanted that man for his money. That's all that was.
I don't think there was nothing more than money.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yeah, but that's not good though. Yeah, and I wonder
how she took the news.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Who knows. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Yeah, So now we're gonna have some fun. Now we're
gonna play some Hanker Mannia Trivia's ask you some questions
and you just tell me the answer. So at WrestleMania one,
who did Hogan and mister t Face in a taxi match?

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
I see it. I know it was Roddy Rowdy Piper.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Uh. I don't know if it was Big John stood No,
oh wow, I don't know who his partner was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
You had you just talked about him too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Was it King Kong Bundy?

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
No, but all ye yep, mister Wonderful Yeah, so it was.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Mister Wonderful and the Roddy Roddy Piper.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yeah it was okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, now just
hit me, yeah who it was? Okay? So at WrestleMania too,
a holgana King Kong Bandi in the cage match. What
city did that match take place in?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Wow? You got me mayor was it Chicago?

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Mm hmmm mm hmmm, it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Wasn't it was it in California?

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Yep? It was what part?

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Wow, it wasn't in Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
I don't think it was in Cali.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Wow? Mm hmm yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Yuh well Cogan from Venice Beach, California.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
I don't know if it was. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
No, it's what a Staples Center was at a yeah,
uh huh. Because because they was on they was pretty
much on a mini tour with that WrestleMania. They did
one in another city, then they did the second one
in another city, and then they closed that one out
in La Okay, yeah, okay. So at WrestleMania three, when

(01:24:08):
he faced Andre the Giant at the Potomac at the
Pontiac Silver Dome. How many people were in attendance? Was
it A eighty one thousand, B seventy eight thousand or
was it C ninety thousand?

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
I want to I think it's A because the A
you said was eighty three.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Thousand, eighty one thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Eighty one thousand. I think it's A. M h no,
and then it's gotta be C. Then it's the second one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Yep, seventy eight thousand people.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Man, Okay, I guess that was that was a hard
one there, because yeah, I don't I didn't remember how many.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
People seated in there, but yeah, okay, So what year
was the movie No was Bar released? Was it A
nineteen eighty five, B nineteen eighty seven or C nineteen
eighty nine?

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Wow eighty nine?

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Yep, CE eighty nineteen eighty nine. Yeah. Now, now what
was his name in the movie Rocky three? Yep, Donderlitz okay,
ultimately mail yeah, ultimately yep? Uh huh yeah. What event
did Holgan and the Undertaker have their first match with

(01:25:35):
each other?

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Saturday ninth event?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Uh? Uh no, it's the pay per view that happens
in November summer slam.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Mm hmm, oh wow, you got me now backlash.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
It's in November and it's right before Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Always was you got me with that one? It ain't
Summer Slam.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
It's start with a S though, but it's in November.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Oh wow, it's not Summer Slam. Starkad no, no, okay,
you gotta give me the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Not survive the series nineteen?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Okay? Now why how could I have to get that
with the s right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Yeah? And how long was holding the champion for? Was
it A one thousand, four hundred to seventy four days
B fifteen hundred days or was it c One thousand
and three hundred and seventy five days? It had to
be b mm hm close. Hey, yep, A thousand, four

(01:26:55):
hundred and seventy four days, So he was the most longer.
He was a third longest reigning champion.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Mm hmmm. I ain't that's something uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
And I think Roman reigns probably surpassed them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Yep. Now, which, because I had just talked about this too,
which Summer Slam that Hogan and Sean Michael's Wreussell when
Sean was a heel.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
It's Summer Slam. But I don't I don't recall which
one that is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Yep, well, I'm gonna give you a hind That was
the same year he made it into the Hall of Fame.
Oh five, yep, uh huh yeah, actually my favorite Hogan match. Now, okay,
now what led to who Cold? What led to Hogan
and montrem and Randy Savage happened to match her wrestle
and your five?

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Because Randy Savage turned on Cold that's so?

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
But why? But what else?

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Is because because it was because of Elizabeth and he
was jealous of the relationship that him and Elizabeth had.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yeah, that's true. Okay, yeah, because I watched the video
about that. Now, he had got mad with Holgan for
going backstairs check on her, and he had left some
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Match that day. You know that was funny because I remember,
like yesterday Ashley watching that because I didn't miss no Saturday.
Nice man. So when Elizabeth no matter of fact, he
was thrown on top of her and knocked her our conscience,
yes and all Corgan picked her up while Marandy montre

(01:28:37):
Man was getting beat up by you know the guys
in the ring. I forgot who they was facing. But
he carried her back to the dressing room. Moncho man
was getting to old yep. And then they went to
the back and he was like, Elizabeth, try and talk
to him, sister him, and he took that thing and
hit him upside his head. Yeah, and Corgan was walking

(01:28:59):
around trying to find him, yelling his name. I'll never
forget that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
And I and then I heard that Holgan came back
to the match and Randy didn't even sack.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Him in did you just finished?

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
And didn't you slap him at the end for that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Yeah? You know, but yeah, it's crazy. It was and
I and I think.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Hogan won that wrestling your five? Yeah, all right, now,
which WrestleMania did the Rock Chalchogan?

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
We just talked about it. Four oh no, you got
to up some you gotta go up. This is when
the Rock was in the picture now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Maybe like eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Eighteen. Yeah, that was when the n W turn on him.
I'm talking about because he was shaking in scot I
was like, what you're doing shaking his hand because he
had just had a match with Steve Austin and lost,
so he was mad about that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
He said, you don't shake nobody's hands right, Yeah, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
The rock came to help him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
So last question, so Hogus theme song for real American?
Who was the singer of the song.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
I just saw that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
Readinger and Readinger close, man, I just saw that Wrangler Reddinger, Riddlinger.
I can't pronounce his last name, you know, I'm close
to it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Yep, you are.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
You have to give it to me because I just
saw it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
So it's Rick Duringer yep. Yeah, that so got the
first name.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
I would have never.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Durger. Yeah, I heard he caught. He wrote the song
with another writer. Yeah, yeah, that was a song. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
And you know what, thanks to Haull Cook and Hull
Coogan made it a classic. Yeah, he did it for
his thing, So you really think about it. Should he
should have been paying Hull Kogan some money for making
that song? Nice? Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
And they still I'm sure they still making money.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Off that song, yeah they are.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, that's a classic.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
It's like when now when you hear that beat drop
that is over with, it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
You get chills, just your your blood start pumping and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Uh kind of like how when when it was when
Dusty Rose came back that time you had took me ic. Oh, yeah,
everybody just.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
That was crazy. But see to me that that took
me back because I've already seen Dusty. I meant Dusty
Rhodes and person sitting down at the table.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Oh wow, how was he?

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
So Dusty was cool? That day that I went, all
of the wrestlers was sitting at the table.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Uh, what do he say to you?

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
He just basically shook my hand and you know, I
just moved down and I think, you know, Hawk and
all of them was down.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
There, Rick Flair that same day, all of them was there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
So you think about I saw Dusty Rhoades wrestle so
many times at the U C. Pavilion and used to
do it all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Yep, yeah, because that was part of the Four Horsemen.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
So wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Okay, So what did Dusty say to you when you
first saw because.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I never he just he just said. I just shook
his hand and he just you know, just spoke. You know,
so many people was in land. It was like you
had to work your way down the table guys, and
Ric Flair was there. Then Hawk was there and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
You said, Hawk said, how are you doing in school?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
What do you say?

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
He said how you doing in school? He said, what
do you saying? How you doing in school? I said,
I'm doing good. His makeup on and everything, Oh wow,
that was represented.

Speaker 6 (01:33:06):
Roll bone.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
No, Rick just had his hair. But I think he
was like in a suit, if I want to correct.
He had on a regular suit and his hair was long.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
Okay, ye, yeah, well that's cool though. So, like I said,
it's just so many memories with and I know that
the wrestling world took a huge loss.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Yeah, you know when like I said, again, when you
look at it from a wrestling standpoint, you know, yeah,
Cogan man a lot of wrestling. He's brought a lot
of wrestling. And if it wasn't for him, it wouldn't
even be no wrestling going on right now, it wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
That's so true.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
You know, he basically started all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Yeah, I mean he was the foundation of it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Yeah, the foundation definitely. So you you ain't never gonna
change back exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Is that It's like when you think of wrestling, it's
like you automatically thought of yeah and the Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Anytime you think of wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
You have to think, yep, he paved the way.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Yeah, yeah, he paved the way. For a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Yeah, he did people that we still see today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Yep, yep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
So is there anything else you want to leave with
the listeners?

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Well, I would say this, you know, just you know,
wrestling has really been something, you know, special for years.
I've been a huge fan, you know, all my life.
And of course, you know, wrestling will never be the same,
you know, because when you lose special people like a
Hahull Cogan, you know, it's it's it's it's devastating. Because

(01:34:40):
even though he wasn't wrestling no more, I used to
enjoy the cameo appearances that they gave us sometimes even
when they wasn't wrestling. So that's something that you know,
I would definitely miss with him.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Oh yeah yeah, But I'm just miss the energy he
bought to the crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
His energy was was unreal. I mean it's like he
pumped you up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
I mean it's like again, when you hear that theme
music real American, it's like you felt invincible yourself. You
felt like you got stronger when you heard the music
that it made you strong and mentally it was like
some sort of it was a motivational boost for you
and it just made you strong when you heard it?

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Oh yeah, it's just like the Rocky Thing song.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
I mean you just you feel that, you know. Yeah,
So Harkgan's theme is gonna forever be there. It ain't
going away. You're probably finna hear more of it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, because it's a lot of video surfacing right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Now with him.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Yeah, uh huh yeah, but then some I'm gonna check
out though. But like I said, he will be missed
in the rest of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Yes, he definitely will be missed. You can't. We can
sit here and talk about hang Kogan all night. You know,
that guy was really something special. I think the whole world,
you know, took a big hit, you know, when we
lost him, you know. So, but he'll never be forgotten.
And I think that's the special thing about special people

(01:36:18):
like that. As far as in entertainment, we would forever
be able to see glints of him, videos of him,
they gonna forever be out there, so we would always
be able to have those great memories of watching him
entertain us exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
Yep. And thank God for the peacock appen Oh yes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Yeah, I'll probably go And I think I probably watched
WrestleMania too. You know I love that one with him
and King Kong Bundy. Yeah, because he beat but the
way he won him and King Kong Bundy was on
their way out the cage. Yeah, all you had to
do was either step to the canvas before the other
person did. And he stepped out before Bundy be.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Mm and he won. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
It can't come Bundy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Like even when he was training, he was loosening up
his back before he came out to the match.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
The doctors was back there because his back was messed
up some awful.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Oh yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
His back was gone. Yeah yeah, and he can he
kept like, oh he was pain before the match. If
you watch it, and if you watch it on Peacock,
you're gonna see.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
It, yep, because if you think about they put he
put his body through a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Yeah mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Yeah. So I definitely appreciate you for coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Definitely even do.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
This episode because it's like I do. It's only a
couple of things pieces I know about him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
And oh yeah, anytime. You know, I've been a wrestling fan,
as you know, I grew up on wrestling. So even
though you know I may not watch it as much today,
I can always go down memory lane because I was
able to see a lot of legends wrestle.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Uh huh, you know, and he was definitely a legendary guy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Oh yeah he was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
So yeah, definitely rest in peace to hole Gan. Yes
all call game yep, yep, all right yeh but uh yeah,
Like I said, thank you so much again for stopping by.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Oh, anytime, anytime you want to do it. Well, I'm
always willing to talk about wrestling. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Yeah, that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Yep, all right, love you okay, love you too, Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
So that's gonna do it. For this bonus episode of
Wrestling Discussions, I would like to thank my dad again
for stopping by to share his memories about Hogan and
everything he's done for wrestling. His legacy will forever live
on and he would never be forgotten. And I want
to thank you all for tuning in and I hope
you all checked out my latest full episode of It

(01:39:00):
Didn't Leave So Soon, Part four, and I will be
releasing another episode this Thursday about my predictions for Summer
Slam that will feature some guests, So please tune in
and tune in to Summer Slam on August second and
third on the Peacock app And if anyone is interested,
I still have merched on my website and I will

(01:39:21):
leave all that info in the box. So again, thank
you all so much. God bless you all, Stay safe
and rest in peace to the immortal hat Colgan.

Speaker 5 (01:40:05):
What with bay, uh with bay, Bay.

Speaker 6 (01:41:28):
With pay, with Baba.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
With pay, a.

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
With pay, Bay.

Speaker 6 (01:42:38):
With bay, with bay

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
With bay, It's

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