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May 29, 2025 40 mins

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Deesha Philyaw tells the story of The Secret Lives of Church Ladies 

Along the way she covers: 

Being in the Norton Anthology of Literature 

Jamaica Kincaid's story Girl 

The ways Church Ladies is proudly Black 

Ways white supremacy shapes the stories we read and tell 

Misconceptions about race in publishing 

Revision for her novel 

Boundaries 

Her brilliant agent and unorthodox publishing moves  

Learn more about Deesha here

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