Episode 21: Unsung Realities: Shifting Work Weeks, Modern Dating Dynamics, and Social Media's Algorithmic Influence

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(01:06):
How y'all boys feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Feeling good.
Man 21 is a beautiful numberman I'm exhausted.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
I know we exhausted.
This man hit us with theexhausted.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
So you with.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Bernie, you know, bernie Sanders, trying to put in
that 32-hour work week.
How you feeling?
Ooh what?
How you feeling?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
But I mean 32, but are you getting paid for 40?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
And you're working 32?
, because a lot of people aregoing to have some problems if
you try to throw that 32 at themthough.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
But they paying us for 40.
I mean, I used to do shit.
Actually I used to work four,but I worked four tens.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Well, that's what.
It's not official yet.
He's been talking about it, buta lot of people have been
saying they'd rather do four,10s, like they'd rather do it in
four days.
And consider Friday becomeslike your weekend now, where you
almost have a three-day weekend.
So it's being talked about.
I mean, I guess if the economydon't, if inflation don't keep

(02:03):
going up, I think it's cool, butI don't know if people are
going to be able to survive offthat.
32.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
So where is Bernie's influence On actually making
this happen?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Work, life, balance and stress.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I don't know politics , so I don't know where when his
positioning is.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Oh, I ain't dig that deep.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Like to make this happen.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
All I know he's working on.
I can't tell you what oh, Iain't dig that deep, like to
make this happen.
All I know he's working on Ican't tell you what the
inspiration, I don't know.
I seen a few clips of himtalking about it, and he talked
about work-life balance howimportant it is today's time,
like I believe the 40-hour workweek was.
It was written in 1940.
And he said, we're in 2024 now,like what worked in 1940, and he

(02:48):
said we're in 2024 now.
Like what worked in 1940 won'tnecessarily work today.
So that's where theconversation is coming like.
This is something we probablyneed to revisit.
Um, like, a lot of companiesnow are giving pto personal time
off.
So, like you use it how youwant to use it, whether it's a
vacation, whether you need amental break for yourself today
and you want to hit the resetbutton but I think, like PTO, a

(03:09):
lot of companies are justrolling with PTO.
When you use your time off howyou want to use it, right, that
works.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I'm happy about that.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I've been.
I had my complaints for that.
For a minute PTO I've been.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
I had my complaints for that for a minute PTO.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
No, just how much work hours are demanded from
people.
I've lived my whole life as anartist here in work.
People complain about work andexhaustion.
So hearing that for so long,hearing that for so long, for

(03:49):
hearing that for so long, youwonder where the if there would
be solutions to come in play tochange that and how, how that
would even look right, right,you heard of vto.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
No, uh, volunteer time off.
That means like, let's just say, I don't know, yeah, volunteer,
that's from the company though.
So let's just say like, again,I used to work for a
distribution center and theworkload is low for today.
Now they can send people homefor the day.
Now it's volunteer time off.

(04:21):
If you like to go home, but youdon't get penalized, you still
get your PTO time for it.
Like you work for today.
You don't get the hours, butyou get that PTO hours like you
work for the day.
So it's volunteer time off.
You can sign a list.
And then the way it worked forour company was what they call

(04:43):
it seniority.
So if somebody has seniority,they'll be called on that list
first but it's not kind of don'tlike you said.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
So if someone come to me and asked me to go home a
little early today, but it won't, I won't be penalized, but it's
gonna come from my, my, my PTOtime that I accumulated I'm
supposed to use for whatever Iwant to use it for.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I don't.
That'sto, VTO.
You don't use it.
So the company is saying, hey,we got too much people working
today.
The workload is low.
Who would like to go home?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Right, but you still get credit for your eight hour
shift.
Like, let's say, if I left infour hours, am I still getting
credit for the rest of the fourhours?
Correct for VTO, and there's acertain amount of time you guys
would accumulate for the year.
How does that work, though?
How do you get vto, or is itjust like you get five days for
the year?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
no, no, no, you don't give it to you, so they don't
give you time for it.
They're just saying at thebefore the shift starts they say
, hey, the workload is lesstoday than what we thought it
would be, so we have too muchpeople here.
The only thing they give youcredit towards is your PTO Cause
you know you got to work foryour PTO hours.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
So they just given you like, hey, you were supposed
to be here for eight, they'regoing to give you your hours
that you're accumulate for thatday for your for added onto your
PTO time.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Oh, interesting, I never heard of PTO before.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Okay, yeah, it was cool.
It was cool, okay.
You just don't get paid foryour.
You don't get the eight hourson your check.
Okay, how about that?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Gotcha, gotcha.
Well, man, you know, we got toget that bread, man.
So work that got to come, man,we got to get it one way or the
other.
Work gotta be work, man.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
yeah that's what's up .

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Just gotta rest up my g that's what it is back so you
could bounce back.
Um, there's something beenfloating on the internet, man, I
know I kind of put it in thechat with y'all boys and I I
want to touch base on it.
But uh, the first main topic umI want to touch base on is,
like the man versus womanmaintenance and um, I, I feel

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like you know, just saying backin the day or even today, you
feel me, if you want to feel,you know you got a shawty or
something, you feel like youwant a cash apple, you want a
zella, 100 or 150 out the blue,you would think you you doing
something Right.
And now they trying to say,like man, that 100, 150, we used
to say that ain't fun to donothing.

(07:12):
We got to step it up and we gotto Triple it Just to say, hey,
man, hold that down, go, go do alittle something, something.
So Now I just want to Kind oftalk to you about the woman
maintenance.
I'm going to run down some ofthe things they need to do for
maintenance and I'm going togive you all some prices and
then I just want to get yourinput like, hey, do they need to

(07:33):
understand that you feel me,what you give, they just should
be thankful for what they'rereceiving.
Or should you not send nothingat all if you ain't able to
match?
Or what these other?
I don't know what Ballas isdoing or maybe they need to get
with athletes.
But let's run down the list withfirst wax.
A wax is like $60.

(07:54):
Nails and toes Nails and toesis $75 to $130.
And I know I've been hearing alot of females complaining about
the salons going up in theirprices.
So I know, like the CVSs andWalgreens be having these little
nail kits where, if you do someYouTube and you can pull it off

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now, if you got you in a quickrush and you just need to look
decent for about a week, they begetting these little packages
and they be doing it themselvesnow.
So I know that that's beenjumping in a lot more.
Uh, bloggers are talking aboutit.
So you got that.
Um, hair, that's 80 to 400.
Okay, facial, that's 60 to 150.

(08:37):
We talk about the bras, theeyebrows, that's what.
12 to 30.
Getting that maintained.
Some people got it tattooed on.
Not a lot of maintenance there.
And, last but not least, ifthey on them last program, where
they getting it done every twoweeks.
You're talking about 80 to 120.
So they saying that hundredthat we be sending ain't ain't

(08:58):
enough, no more.
That 150 you sending it ain'tenough, no more.
So this is where we at.
That was the one thing I wantedto talk about, because I feel
like a fella.
We ain't really that much, man.
Besides getting the cut youknow what I'm saying we don't
require a whole lot.
You got hair.
Sometimes you can get your hairdone dreads.

(09:19):
You got to get that twist.
I know that could take a littlebit more time, but I feel like
the mail maintenance is sominimum so is that replaced with
a home-cooked meal and doinglaundry and cleaning the house?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I've seen a sign that says cleaning your home and
taking care of your kids is nota gender role, it's not a job,
it's just something that we justhave to do.
Okay, but um, yo, I'm not, I'mnot me personally.
I'm not paying all that.
Bro.
I'll pay for somebody lunch.
I'll give you 30 for lunch.
I'm sorry, but no, I want toget on the maintenance.

(09:56):
Real quick.
Hold on before we go, though.
Okay, I want to get on themaintenance okay, okay I want to
use me as an example before wego forward.
Okay, well, we get I, we getcuts what every two weeks?
And then a tape the next twoweeks, right?
So what?
Our prices went up like $35,$40, now maybe $50 some places.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
So you're getting a tape, or you're getting a tape
every two weeks.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I used to get a cut every.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, now Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Now okay.
So when I had a low cut, it wasa cut two weeks, then the
following two weeks you get ittaped.
Yeah, the following two weeksyou get a cut.
Now, the way the, what I feltwas like you know what I used to
have dreads.
I feel like I spent kind ofless, but it still adds up at
almost at the end of the day,because when I, when I get a
retwist or a tape or a cleanupwas what every two, three months
, so I kind of pocket the money,kind of saved it, because it

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kind of maybe adds up to thatalmost the same price anyway,
right, right, to get it all done, but that's on that end and and
just on the on the having hairon your uh, on your head, but,
um, it still kind of adds up.
But I feel like it was you wasburning more money, you know,
every two weeks or every othertwo weeks getting your hair done
, getting your hair done and getyour tape done.

(11:09):
Over what?
At least 100 something, dollars, 150, getting that shit done.
Well, for the prices now backthen?
No, because it was like 15, 20back then.
For what's that?
A cut in the tape or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Now I think you're at 25, uh, for like a cut, and
then if you have a beard, you'reat like 35 for a cut with a
beard.
That's no enhancements, that'snot considering a tip, right
right.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
So man, look, I'm me coming up my pockets.
I ain't giving no lady no moneyfor no maintenance.
Man, I'll give you 30 for lunch, but what is lunch?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
But what if she throw it like she's doing it for you?
She want to make sure she feelgood, her confidence, when y'all
step out.
She might feel like you, onefly guy, your hair twisted up,
and for her, the thing she'sasking for, she's trying to
compete, because you might beout there looking at these other
women who got thosecharacteristics, those, uh,
characteristics or those traitsdone, those features, and she's

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trying to compete.
What you're gonna say then?
I'll be honest I would.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I would do it, but it's not gonna be every time I
would, because I thought I would, because I know I have.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
You know what I'm saying yeah, yeah every time,
bro, they're hoping for you tocome out the pockets all the
time with that dude well, Iguess that's the biggest thing,
like how often you know what I'msaying, because that is a lot
of bread, though that is a lotof bread, and if she and if
she's managing it, she's doingit like bi-weekly, that's a lot
of bread plus me, oh man.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
and then the date, bro we are 800 in the hole
already, bro.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
This is just dating.
No, this wasn't even dating.
This could be.
I don't think nobody should be.
No one ain't spending that muchwhen they dating.
I mean now we in a time wherethe males kind of like, if we
dating, like if I pay for oneand we go on a second date, the
opposite sex paying for theother, now I think people
starting to kind of understandthat we just date in life

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because the women been gettingfree meals, that narrative been
pushed so much that I think alot of guys done caught on to
that.
Like hey, if we go on a seconddate, then the next person pay.
Oh, we're not going to a fancyjoint, we're going somewhere
where we have to really talk um,that's been a new thing like a

(13:30):
coffee shop.
I know that's been talked abouta lot, like going to a coffee
shop, not going to a fancy dinerfor the first, uh, date.
Uh, because once again, man,some of these girls, man they do
this three, four times a weekfor a free meal and they out of
there because I used to start itoff with ice cream.
Man, ice cream I like to startit off ice cream, let man Ice
cream.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I used to like to start it off with ice cream.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Let's go get some ice cream.
Lord, I ain't been to.
No, I know.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I've been turned down one time like that, but it
always worked.
But it always worked Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I just don't know if I don't know how I feel good on
the first date, just licking acone in front of a girl the
whole night.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yay, my first date just licking a cone in front of
a girl the whole night yeah,like what, what, what type?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
what am I are you insinuating?
I won't be able, I won't beable to, to keep myself from you
know.
Just, I don't know, trying tolick the cone in front of you
know what.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
So you, you get in the cup, bro, and you, you got
the spoon ice cream, or you'regoing to go.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Nah Dre, don't lick in the cone, he all in the face
with it.
He put the sprinkles on it.
He like he got his pinky up, helooking dead in the eyes.
He got it creaming down on hisknuckles.
He know what he doing and heain't spending much, lord.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I'm not going to take it for coffee.
I don't like coffee like that.
I don't drink coffee.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
You don't drink coffee at all.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Very rare, very rare.
Okay, you know what I'm saying,but for me, bro, if I drink
coffee, that bitch going to haveme up for the next 15, 16,
maybe 18 hours.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
It's like a monster to me.
What, um, why are you taking?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
her someplace cheap, if I can ask.
Bro, we we're getting to knoweach other.
I think we should grow intothat.
Like we should go into a biggerwe should grow into a bigger
restaurant.
You know what I'm saying?
Because it can go there.
But why would I?
Why would I take you anywhereelse?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
So it is about the money with you.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Are we getting to know me here, or are we getting
to know my pockets here?
Am I getting to know?
I'm trying to get to know her.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I'm saying, even if you went somewhere expensive.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I'm kind of creating a vibe, a little smaller vibe,
where we can grow into, ofcourse, going to the big
restaurants.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
It sound like he's trying to create a vibe or he's
doing it for the economical sake, because he started off.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I get where you're going.
I'm going out based on you,yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
It could be that too, because you're like, ooh, you
know what, maybe, yeah, okay,okay, okay, I see where you're
coming from Spend the 120 on thefirst date.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
That was my button, that was my button you.
But like make Did you hear that.
Because now I'm feeling like asa person who ain't going to be
involved.
If I can't you, you know, keepup with it, then I wouldn't even
initiate.
If I can, if I can't affordeven the things that they may

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suggest us doing like they mightwant to go on a hike or
something like that I'm like, oh, I ain't even got no sneakers,
so now you got to get thingslike you got to be able to
afford.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Just in, engage in the opportunity so you would,
you would, you would pick thingsthat you can keep up with, like
if you, I would already havethe.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I wouldn't want the money to be an issue in that
okay, like something, and weknow us, we know what's
convenient.
But if you're dating a personand you saying to yourself, oh,
I'm getting to know this person,I want to see them every week,
we ain't hunching yet or nothing.
So we staying over in Netflixand not every time we linking up
, we going somewhere, like thefirst four months.

(17:14):
Okay, I know I'm a need to havea budget about 120 to 200 every
week just to be able toparticipate and engage with this
person.
Now if you ain't got that extramoney.
If she's oh, I want to see thismovie, you got to make excuses.

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And we've all probably and I'massuming we all have been here,
but I feel like most of us beenthere where it was like, man, we
hollering at a chick and shewant to go somewhere and do
something.
Oh, the fair in town, you wantto go there.
You like, oh, this is a badthat land on a bad week, I know,
for the fair you might not needby 4, 4, 60 or something like

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that, that just to pull it offand you're like, nah, now you're
making, you're making excuseswhen you really can't afford it,
like sometimes that'd be a bigcase listen.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
When you first meet him, what first?
When you first acting for a dayto go out on a date you don't
put it out right there and thenput what out?
Straight up if I'm going to.
That's why I said with the icecream hey, I would like to take
you out for some ice creamsometime.
Would would you like to go here, right there and there I would.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I would automatically so that's, that's your you.
You throw that out there,you're putting it out there
instantly and shut it down.
Shut it down, that's it sothat's it, though there's no
other date and you ain't going.
What does she make a suggestionon it?
Maybe she want to go toCheesecake.
She want to go to Red Lobster?
Yeah, then okay, but you'regoing to suggest ice cream

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Because it's more of a, itallows y'all to have a
conversation.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
It allows you to get to know each other better.
I'd be like Grandpa I don'tknow if you're a care partner or
something like that.
If you're going to pull the inthe van to take me on this date
by ice cream, it's adorable, Iain't mad at it.
But I just don't know theintention of um approaching a

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woman, not in modern times.
I'm not talking about what mayum be accepted like
traditionally.
In modern times it makes senseto be able to afford to date
because it costs just goingoutside.
Just going outside, it costsboth people and so if you

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engaging and you approaching her, it's going to cost her,
because what it takes for awoman to get ready, that ain't
what it take a dude, we mightget some clippers from Walgreens
and touch ourselves up just tolook decent, throw on a hat.
They got to get.
If they want open-toed shoes,there's so much expected of them

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that we also put on them,because we're going to talk
about their feet if the feetbusted, we're going to talk
about their feet if the feetbusted, we're going to talk
about them hands if the handsrusty.
So it takes them so much justto say, alright, I'm going to
see.
If you even bought something,she went and spent you know $200
.
I done seen people do it.
Or they got a date coming upfrom the waxing for the

(20:23):
appointment.
They spending $200 plus just tosee you and they might not give
you no coochie Ooh, that ain'teven in their plan.
They just want to be right,that's expensive.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Well, see, I think this would have to be.
When we talk about the list Iran down and what you're
spending, I would think, ifyou're not already in a
relationship, this would besomebody you're trying to be
exclusive with.
Because it took me a minutey'all when I thought dating.
When I heard the word dating, Iassumed that's people that went
together.
That's what I assumed, likefive to up, like at least five.

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Six years ago I thought, whenyou say yo, I'm dating, I'm with
somebody, like until you know,as I talk to more people when
they say they're dating, datingmeans you're seeing people.
You know what I mean.
You got a rotation.
It may be two, it may be five,it could be whatever.
When you're dating, you're justseeing people until you guys
create that contract to beexclusive.

(21:21):
Because that's why I was likewell damn, I was so confused.
I was like oh so when you'redating, you're allowed to see
other people.
It's like, oh so when you'redating, you're allowed to see
other people.
It's not cheating when you'redating, when you're exclusive.
Now we're making thiscommitment.
All right, I'm cutting everybodyoff.
You the one, right?
So I guess that's another thing.
I just wanted to be clear onthat when we're talking about

(21:42):
this.
So I think, when you're goingto be exclusive, when you're in
a relationship I don't know ifsomeone's going to need all
those things happening every twoweeks but I think fellas
contributing to they ladiesmaintenance if they're unable to
do this on their own.
I could see guys shootingwhatever.

(22:03):
What cash happens there Nowthem requests or what you're
sending is so quick and easy,but that is a lot of bread in
today's time when most peopleworking two jobs are are trying
to survive in the economy thatwe got right now a whole lot of
bread.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
That's why I emphasize modern times.
In modern times, what it takesa woman to look how we expect
them to look, even just in basic, not even heavy makeup and
brows and stuff.
They might just buying the toolsto do it and some of the um,
the, the ointments, just for the, the face and all this stuff to

(22:38):
look like how we want oh lookit costs a lot of money and I'm
I'm on the side with y'all, butI also see what they spend and
I'm like, ooh, you can save alot of money just not even
talking to dudes because you canlike all right, I can let the

(22:59):
coochie go fuzzy for a minute, Ican.
You know, I can wave a nice wig.
I got put on the press on.
Ooh, it's a lot.
Yeah, I, I can't even be mad ifthey ask him, um, if they even
ask him for some money, if weexpect them to look like that

(23:23):
well, that's why I make it easyto be like, hey, I'll be, like,
hey, look, I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I want to go catch this movie.
Would you like to come?
I don't try to make it realdifficult, bro, to keep it nice
and simple, and that's what Ibelieve.
That's how I do it, bro soyou're going to ice cream.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
You, mr, I pick, you like this.
You, mr, I pick, and mr coleI'll do that, I'll do it, I'll
do it too, yeah, yeah, I thinkyou'll do that.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
You'll get up the 128 doing the I pick night.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
No no, no, understood , but, but so I'm.
I'm asking what you like toattend.
You know what I'm saying, so,but but here's what I heard.
Guys, the person that askedtheir person to go out should be
the person to pay the bill.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah even if it's the girl.
I do that.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I do that like today yeah, she asked you to go out.
She should pay the bill.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
But if I ask someone to go, hey bro, let's go.
I don't know if I'm catching upon lunch with somebody If I
talk to my fam hey, let's go out.
They know that's what it is.
I don't even spend a lot oftime in the kitchen, so me and
my son got this thing.
We be playing.
He be like I be like I'm goingto go cook what you want to go
eat.
They'd be like they name andI'll take them and they'd be
like I said so how was my food?

(24:32):
Wasn't it done eating?
I'm always like how was my food?
And then every time we leave arestaurant, he'd be like man,
your cooking was good, dad, man,your cooking was good.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
So that's.
Yeah, I should be taking careof him.
You're a wholesome guy, though,because you bought my food a
few times just because you said,hey, we're going to link up,
we're going to talk Like.
It felt like a business meeting.
I thought he was gettingreimbursed by somebody.
All right, you take thereceipts and everything.
No, no, no, I got it.
You good the receipts andeverything.

(25:12):
No, no, no, I got it, I justthink.
Is there anything he asked?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
you dude.
I'm like no, we ain't dating,but drago, I want to ask you
something.
I want to ask I've been askedthat from a female um- drago, I
want to ask you something.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Um, and it's not judging you, but you said when
you I'm going back to when yousaid you ask if they want to
attend.
When you're saying that, whenyou're setting it up that way,
that invite are you making it?

Speaker 2 (25:41):
to where they have to pay their own side.
Oh no, no, I'll be like look,I'm going to go.
No, of course not.
That means I'm asking you tocome with me and I'm going to
take care of it.
Yeah, I would like you to gowith me and I'm going to take
care of it.
Yeah, I would like you to gowith me to to watch this movie.
Look, I want to watch thismovie.
Would you like to go with me?
I would like you to come withme.
Yes, it knows.
No, it's.
If it's a no, it's no it iswhat it is.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
So I try on the list.
No more, that ain't the placeto go.
No, more.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Hey, listen, get right, I don't care.
I'm telling you what the mealcan be really nice price, come
on yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I like cheesecake, bro.
I don't like how they putcheesecake on that list like it
ain't here.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Bro, that's crazy to me, that was wild.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
It ain't really as expensive as has been the
reputation, say CheesecakeFactory.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Well, no, I guess you know, maybe six months ago the
ladies was trying to create anew list of places we supposed
to take them.
Like, we can't do the RedLobsters, no more, we can't do
the Cheesecake Factory.
They want these high-endrestaurants where you, where you
gonna leave spending about ayard per person oh, per person
yeah I mean if you got it, if itain't no hey I ain't, I ain't.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Once again, we in the dating world slab I mean, if
you committed with somebody.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I ain't got that.
I think there's no rules.
Do what you do.
We just still talking.
Dating Folks dating in 2024they wanna go to these Fancy ass
restaurants.
They want, they want everything.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
See, I wouldn't.
And this me.
I'm not Traditional by anysense, but I would skip.
I would skip the Like thetradition, I would Skip the
modern Dating process.
I would try to do that and justbypass that and go straight to

(27:39):
stuff that's making sense forboth both of us give us an
example bro.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, I'm about to say I'm thinking, but what you
mean, uh?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
this me, I'm making it up, so don't camera world,
don't hold me to thispermanently, but I might just
engage um um platonically for aminute and then we flirt and
stuff like that.
And it's not.

(28:09):
It's not.
There's no intention for it togo anywhere directly to a dating
phase.
But you build in this ummomentum to where y'all um
learning each other platonicallyas friends, to where there's no
pressures of either of uslooking extra good when we
seeing each other.
Are we talking like a lot of umum interaction, whether it be

(28:36):
through texts and phone callsand coffee shops, maybe some ice
creams, maybe like, do thingslike that, but not making it
formal, and then it get into apoint like all right, well, now
we know what each other's tryingto do.
Then you just broke downeverything I would say we make

(28:56):
our goals to to go to that andeven if we don't end up together
, that may not be the goal, buthopefully I helped you with some
things and hopefully you helpedme with some things and it just
benefited our regular life.
It didn't.
It never had to step into thedating side of things and it can

(29:16):
even be a long-term um goal.
Another, like hey, maybe wewant to go somewhere on this
date, this day, you know, fourmonths down the line, but it's
not.
I would really try to avoideither of us investing in the

(29:36):
dating concept of spending moneyand, more so, being in the
process of us trying to buildsomething, even if it's just as
friends and stuff like that.
Like, I wouldn't even want youto.
If I know your situation andthis you're assuming you knowing
the person, you getting to knowthe real person really well,
right then I wouldn't even wantto put you in a situation to

(29:58):
where you spending x amount ofmoney to come see me or I'm
doing this, and then we reallyfind out and we learn about each
other.
Like, hey, none of this ain'teven make sense to our true goal
and we spent, you know, eightmonths doing this.
We ain't even together, no more.
But we you end up looking backat what you spent and what kind

(30:22):
of put you back?
Sometimes the dating process,all the experiences in the spin
you, when it's all said and done, when it don't go the way you
want, you look back and you'relike man, that was a setback and
that's what I would be tryingto avoid.
That's what I would be tryingto avoid.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
It sounds like some nice human being stuff.
Slav, it sounds good whatyou're saying.
I guess if you could findsomebody who's willing and who
understands that concept, thatsounds amazing.
I just know they say the datingworld is hard.
I don't know if you got peopleout there willing to slow it
down and grow with each othergenuinely and not just be in

(31:06):
competition Because I know whatmy friend got going on yeah,
they got to be out there andcompetition because I know what
my friend got going on.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, they got to be out there too.
Then it's people that's more inthe world where they got the
highest salaries, they can doall those things.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
That part not even a problem.
So if it's women out there,it's people that's hustling,
getting it working, two, threejobs and all this and they got
it.
Their standards obviously goingto be totally different, but
I'm speaking for the averageperson to where, even if you do
got it, but you have some plans,I'm not trying to let me engage

(31:42):
, me stepping into your lifebecause I like you, you look
good, I want to get to know you,hang out with you and build
something intimate.
I don't want that.
And now it's throwing what yougot going on off and in four
months we figure out it ain't,it ain't clicking.
And now you're like, man, Iwaste.
I waste a lot of time with thatdude, I missed out on other

(32:04):
opportunities.
And those missed opportunitiesbe for real.
You can, yeah, you can miss outon some real great things.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Hmm, I'm with you.
You set a mouthful, then Ithink If you can find somebody
out there like that, that's dope, that's dope Cause I.
It sounds like horror storiesnowadays when I talk, when I
hear people talk about datingtoday.
Man, they be like man, it's sohard out here, boy, like If you
ain't locked something in backin the day.
It's just hard out here.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
You don't know who you're getting.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Because you don't know what the internet did to
brand new people.
Now, if you can remember peoplebefore internet, now you feel
like you might know them, youright.
But post internet, I don't knowwhat you've been exposed to.
And now, when you left, now,when you left, your the
situation that had you groundedand who you came in as now you a

(33:00):
whole nother person, and insome cases that might be better.
You might get a better versionof somebody else's ex and they
somebody else's ex might getwith you and they a whole new
person, they completelydifferent than what they was in
the situation that they thoughtthey was more comfortable in.

(33:22):
I guess it could work both ways.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, I guess that saying they say, one person's
trash is another person'streasure.
You know what I'm?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
saying One person's treasure is another person's
trash.
But even you can make if yougot the nice aroma you can make
all treasure into trash, alltreasure into trash, all
treasure into trash.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That's not what the world need more trash, I mean if
you got the right aroma, youcan make all trash into trash.
There we go, there you go,there you go.
Crack that back and reverse.
He like this dude Just manuallyreversed it.
He didn't get that From Spice,neither.

(34:15):
That's an Eric B reverse.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
If you got the rice aroma, you can turn any trash.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I almost spit the water Out my mouth.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Drago just was letting you go To Drago like
yeah that's alright.
That's alright, come on now.
Come on now, cause I'm like,wait a minute, what's the last
thing?
I'm glad you was payingattention.
Yeah, I am, I'm listening, I'mtaking notes here, I'm trying to
.
Trying to give some friends.
I got some friends and I'm I'mtrying to play this back, this
episode back, and be like Lookyou, you need to listen to this
marker, to this marker, becausemy dog, airbuse, is not game.

(34:50):
Maybe this is what y'all doingwrong.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Hey, drago was just riding with me too.
Man, you see him.
Thank you, global, you knowwhat I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
He just eating his tassel.
We interrupted his dinner.
He just like man, I'm eating.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
What that is, oh man.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
That was the beet salad, the beet salad, the beet
salad, you got the wholetraditional Haitian plate With
the beet salad.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I ain't know nothing about the beet salad.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
You gotta give me the address to y'all joint too.
I haven't been there yet.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Oh, you slacking.
I was there the other day.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Nah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Good, good, good.
Another thing I want to talkabout.
We gonna talk about your, youralgorithm, but this is just near
and dear to me, you know, beingactive.
And Another thing I want totalk about.
We're going to talk about youralgorithm, but this is just near
and dear to me.
You know being active andseeing where music is going.
I wanted to talk about musicvideos and you know how
important are they in 2024?

(35:43):
Back in the day, we all know wehad 106 and Park.
You had MTV Jams, mtv Countdown.
Know we had 106 and part.
You had mtv jams, mtv countdown.
We had a lot of platforms.
When you did a video, these uhplatforms will showcase this
video.
And before youtube really tookoff like that, um and videos was
important for an artist.
They carried you like you knewif you did a record, you did a

(36:05):
video, it would help it travel.
Now reels and short formcontent and the iphone 13, 14,
15 or whatever you're workingwith um have taken over where,
uh, a lot of people are shootinguh videos or freestyles or in
the studio performances andthey're releasing a lot of one

(36:27):
minute clip uh shorts or reelsor teasers, however you want to
call it.
So just I wanted to kind of getyou guys input on music videos,
like how important are they toan artist in today's time and do
you need to spend the five, thesix, maybe ten bands to do a
video, or can I spend maybe acouple of thousand and create 50

(36:51):
short clips, and will that bemore effective than a four
minute video?
Just from you know, maybepersonal experiences or maybe
some of the artists that youfollow do you see what they're
doing and what do you think isgoing work for an artist today?

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I would say, um, from our artistic expression.
Videos are important for thecraft, but economically for a
project in its budget, I don'tsee it being worth spending what
we historically was spending onmusic videos because you have

(37:34):
smaller budget, almost no budget, clips being more effective
than the big thing.
So if if that's the case andit's showing to be, and you can
crank it out your volume isincreased on it, then why would
you spend so much money, energyand resources and campaigning on

(37:56):
one video when you can havemore results with much less?
And so that's for me me sad toadmit, from my artist mind,
because we grew up loving musicvideos, shooting them sometimes.

(38:17):
But it's like the, theconsumer's eye, it.
You ain't wowed by a musicvideo, even if it's amazing.
You're like all right, they dida good job with this music
video.
Next, because you may bewatching it through a, a feed,
for the most part these days, or, obviously, if you're going to

(38:39):
youtube.
But we could watch things onceand never revisit before if
somebody had a dope video.
Some videos I done seen a fewtimes.
I seen Bombs Over Bad Dad, missJackson.
There's a lot of videos I canremember.
We saw it a lot because, forone, mtv was going to make sure

(39:00):
you seen it.
You was happy every time itcame on platforms.
We were seeing the video in onelifetime.
We might have saw one video ahundred times Today.
That's not happened.
You're not even not even yourexpectations right.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
So to your point.
I agree with you.
100.
You hit you.
We could go to the next topic.
I like exactly how you broke itdown, because I feel the exact
same way.
So when it comes to a musicvideo, I feel like you.
You, you know you don'tprobably have to do as much, but
an artist should have a musicvideo in your resume, like you

(39:39):
should accumulate.
I have a a decent amount.
Maybe you ain't doing them,even if you do two, two times a
year.
I feel like an establishedartist should have that because
it gets to show you and yourcreativity.
But to me, eric, we're soconsumed Like I done, seen dope
one minute clips that I tell.
Well, even when I talk to ayounger artist, I'm like yo put,

(40:01):
make your video make sense,give us more than two locations,
three locations, one background, and what you're saying isn't
matching.
Like what you're saying Ishould be seeing somehow in the
music video.
But today it's almost like letme just get in front of a camera
with an outfit and I'm good, soit doesn't stick.
And you got some people whowill spend I mean, they will

(40:25):
kill a minute, real Like they infour or five locations
switching outfits, camerarunning behind them.
They just maneuvering in a oneminute clip and it's way more
exciting than a longer videowith a bigger budget.
So I almost think we got to lookat music videos like three
minute reels, like that firstminute you watch it should be

(40:47):
that action pack or that lit thenext minute same way.
So you got to look at it likethree to four different reels
instead of just a music video,because you got 30 second clips
that could kill a four minutevideo and I just think we see so
much when we stroll, westimulated so much from people
doing different things thatyou've got to bring it or you to

(41:10):
your point.
I'm gonna watch this thing onceand be like, ah, that was cool,
and I never get back to it.
So that's one thing I've beentrying to work on with my
upcoming projects is like I wantit to look like four reels
that's mashed together, so youlike, you vibe and you in tune
the whole time, because youdon't know what's going to
happen next.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, I think you're right on that, man.
Um, you got me thinking aboutthe old days, like the michael
jackson usher videos and but thereels make so much more sense
because we're, of course it'sshort, it's 30 seconds sometimes
be the most dopest, and longerthan these three minute videos,
but it still got me going backbecause how they used to throw

(41:54):
Michael in our face on VH1 andMTV and we would get so glued to
it.
I don't know, I think we'redifferent because we was.
We grew up in those times.
I still do like the videos butagain, like you just said, it
has to make sense.
I like the storytelling.
Again, like you just said, ithas to make sense.
I like the storytelling, I lovethe storytelling.

(42:14):
And, um, um, again, it bring meback to michael, because
michael was telling a story,like he did his video thing, but
he went back to the story.
It it connected to anotherstory, connected to another
story and it was like his old,all of his music connected and
playing.
But, um, you're right,everybody just stands in front
of the mic just hanging.
They're telling the story, butit doesn't give us what we need.

(42:37):
You're right.
Yeah, man, but I do like theshorts because there's some
people that do it.
So right, I guess that's whatwins.
You're right.
Yeah, three-minute shorts couldactually get it done, but
nobody would know.
Well, nobody would really know.
It'll keep you still locked in,but when it's all in one,

(42:58):
because we're still locked in,they won't really know unless
you drop the shorts, first maybe, and then you.
You know that would be.
That's very creative.
Actually, that's kind of dopeman.
I don't even know.
We should be talking about it,you.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
You should just be doing it right now.
People doing it that way.
Are you explaining, yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Maybe not around, maybe not in our presence, maybe
people we don't know about it,not on our timeline or in our
circle, but I would think maybeit does exist.
But at the same time, you know,these are the gyms that I wish
I could.
If there was a platform thatwas even local and I could tune

(43:34):
in and get gyms and learn andapply.
I think it's just veryimportant that we have somewhere
to go to get this information.
You know I'm saying so.
That's that's why I reallywanted to talk about it, because
even myself I was battling whatto do next and how do I promote
a project?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
example y'all did it right like uh, uh, that was the
dirt on my shoes, was a step onmy shoes, what?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
was the name of the dirt allergic to dirt.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, I did that video right.
I feel like that was done right.
Um, the one with you, with uh Hman uh in Haiti, that was got
clean, the visuals, like I likethe videos.
I don't know, maybe it's justme, but, um, here's the question
I want to ask.
Let's get, let's get back tothat.
Are they still giving videoAwards?
Music video.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Awards, the VMAs might still exist.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, I think they best perform.
Yeah, I think there is a bestvideo of the year or correct.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
You know I'm saying because I think every award show
was giving one away anyway fora video right back in the day.
Yeah, I don't know if they'redoing it now.
I haven't seen a video.
I haven't seen an award show ina while but we have more um
avenues to consume media.
True, but nobody's getting anaward for it.

(44:55):
It's almost not a competition,no more, because it was more of
a competition because there wasan award back in the day.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Before there was a time where, through the
directors and the budgets andthings like that, it was a goal
to have the best music video.
Right now, I don't think whenpeople making music videos they
are, you know, trying to makethe best music video ever.

(45:22):
I don't mean, I don't thinkthat's a goal at all.
If anything, the sometimes itfeel like the music video is the
last resort of something likesomething might have went viral
and it took off and i's, youknow, doing numbers, is doing
good, and then you know a coupleof months later they finally
give you the video and then thealbum coming out.

(45:44):
But that's not even a priorityif the music or viral clips can
do its thing.
I'm feeling like the usage ofthe intention of the music video
.
You can feel those intentionsin other places for cheaper,
probably more creatively.

(46:04):
The budget may not be there,but you can't doubt some of the
creative ways that people havehad their music or their content
engaged with you when it's inother places.
So video, like just to havesomething visually exciting, is

(46:27):
no longer even limited to music.
We placing mute, we puttingthis emphasis on music and
visuals being important but notrealizing visually is spread
across a much wider spectrum.
If a kid growing up or if ageneration growing up and
they're in this um, they're inthis um to where you know just

(46:51):
people who funny on social mediais what they visually want to
see, that generation may noteven care about music videos
because you're competing withattention and the time you have
within that time frame of theirlife and what they have

(47:12):
available to entertain with.
If it's a kid like watching,it's a whole generation of kids
like watching sadly satisfyingvideos.
They like watching.
You know, other people playvideo games to the gaming world.
Other people play video gamesto the gaming world you got this
attention that have nothing todo with a music video and its

(47:36):
song, but they're just as muchas your problem as a music video
artist.
It's just much of your problem,even though it's outside of
your category.
It's all our problems in thatsense.
Yeah, but they always say, well, it all comes back around.

(47:56):
So something might show up towhere, oh no, we really do like
videos.
But what I will say?
To throw this in there, inthere, at least the it'll make
the music have to be good,because now if I watch a video,
I must have to like the song towant to go check out.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, if the song hot for me and then they drop
videos, I gotta watch the video.
That's, that's how it is for me.
The song gotta be hot first.
Yeah, it's songs.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
I like I didn't even know they had music videos me
too.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I was like they got a video to this right, I just, I
just.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
That's probably making us we probably feeling
old, because AJ ain't free orTerrence and Roxane ain't
presenting to us.
Right, so we ain't know.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Do we need the platforms back here?
Yeah, I would say 100% yes.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
I said this on a few podcasts we messed up, we messed
up, we messed up by saying wedidn't need the system, we
didn't need the labels, wedidn't need these executives,
these gatekeepers.
Now I'm feeling like we do.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
So you know what's one thing on BET that they just
brought back and speaking ofit's a different world but Comic
View.
They brought Comic View back.
Oh, that's Remember how muchnew talent we used to discover
on top of the.
So Mike Epps is the regularhost, but they're bringing back
Comic View on BET.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Really yeah.
Now where would I watch BET?
I got the app, the app.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I got the app.
The app.
I got the app BT Plus.
That's the only way we would beable to.
No, I mean, you got regular TVIf you got.
Xfinity or AT&T regular TV youshould be able to have.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Regular TV still exists.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
When I say regular, we're talking about yeah, I'm
talking about cable.
I'm sorry, but maybe I shouldsay cable.
Okay, I ain't talking about thebasic antenna out the window
and you got the five, tenchannels.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
But yeah, that's my podcast, intelligence.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
When you ask a question, it's not a smart
question because you know, butthe viewers get the answer yeah,
yeah, you right, you right.
So yeah, I call that podcastintelligence.
Podcast intelligence they kindof slightly act stupid.
Just to give you theopportunity to respond to
everybody, they got regular tv,yeah, so then you kind of get,

(50:15):
oh yeah podcast intelligence Idon't have.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I just got apps, so I'm consumed with apps, but yeah
, when I was watching bt.
I was like damn um, knowingthat comic view, because I used
to tune in the comic view.
I thought that was dope and italso made me think like man.
Maybe somebody gonna come backand be like man.
We need a place where we canwatch tv, like music videos
again.
This is gonna be strictly formusic videos, um, and it's just

(50:41):
showing music videos.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Uh, we'll see what if that, if that comes back around
we need something that'sdifficult to ignore, like when
you you couldn't ignore vh1 MTVBT.
It might have been one more yousay MTV vh1 BT.

(51:05):
Yeah, I feel like it was onemonth, but it was like the main
one.
No, trl was just a show on MTV.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
That was a show on MTV.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, that was a show , you couldn't ignore it I think
we had the Box or the Views orsomething like that.
That was on TV.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
But you had those that was for music that you
couldn't ignore.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
So what was coming through there was it was going
to be amplified and it was goingto be appreciated.
Uh, now, the downside to thatyou kind of give uh, you give
certain platforms a little toomuch control, but I'm not mad at
superstars returning to thoseum platforms that you just can't
ignore hell no um, becauseright now it's just certain

(51:49):
things that is going missed,like really amazing artists,
music songs, the basementfreestyles was like epic.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Like those legendary?

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Is that back?
No, I just was.
As Eric was talking about theplatform, I just thought I
remember how that was something.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I tuned into when you knew somebody was a guest
they're going to go in the boothPretty much Because they sat
down with them.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Yeah, they could have been almost everything that
would podcast.
Now we would say podcast beenexisted because people have been
doing it for the longest,because now just doing
interviews is considered apodcast.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
No matter how you do it, no.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I mean and something I kind of noticed shout out to
Shannon Sharp, because Club ShayShay just won Best Sports
Podcast, but Club Shay Shayinterviews more than athletes,
so I thought that was different.
You would think it would justbe athlete-driven, but he's
touching rappers, producers,artists, comedians.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
He's all over with Club Shay Shay.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
You know, and it's considered a sports podcast.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
I ain't mad at him getting that own award.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Oh, no me, neither Me , neither he's putting in that
work.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Like you said, it's broader than that, but his
background says, hey, it's fromsports and I did my thing.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
And did you hear the line where he said he made more
money with the Cat Williamsinterview than he did in any
year playing football?

Speaker 3 (53:27):
It's crazy, I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Oh, he said, since y'all talking smackacking, let
me go ahead and put it out there.
He finally, uh, he kind ofthrew that line out there and
that went like uh, it went viralfor sure on my timeline and
people started trying to findhis salary when he was playing
for like denver and the ravens.
But that interview definitelyuh, because I know Cat Williams
just went on Joe Rogan's show.
I don't know where the viewsare with that, but I know it's

(53:56):
going to do good, you're goingto pull them up.
Yeah, I'm just going to see thenumbers on it, but I don't know
if there's an interview that'sdone what Cat Williams and
Shannon Sharp did.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Nah man within hours over 35 million.
Come on man Right, five hoursit uh.
Nah man within hours over 35million.
Come on man right.
Five hours in 35 million views.
Come on, not even a music video, music videos had to take years
to get up.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
You know what I'm saying I am surprised, I didn't
know listen I didn't know cat.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Whatever cat williams got is so unique because
there's people that's um in some, in some arenas you may
consider bigger than catwilliams that can't do them
numbers yeah, I just think I'msaying across all genres,
whether it's tech, whether it'slike you can do an interview

(54:48):
with bill gates, he won't.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
He might not do the numbers that Cat Williams did,
and it's $14 million in twoweeks for Joe Rogan.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
That's a lot.
That's a lot of views, that's alot.
And they had a really goodpodcast that I watched.
I probably watched the wholething.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I missed that one, oh wow.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Oh no, it's a great one.
If you thought the ShannonSharp one was on something, you
watch the Joe Rogan one.
You're going to be like, oh,cat Williams, he's somewhere
else.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah, okay, okay, I can see that Because I felt like
it was more.
Shannon Sharp was a little morepersonal with the topics and
stuff like that, but I felt likewhen I saw clips of Joe Rogan
it was just everything Like theyreally talked about the topics
and stuff like that.
But I felt like when I sawclips of Joe Rogan it was just
everything Like they reallytalked about the world and
dementia it was just a lot ofstuff Like what's out there.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
They go far.
Yeah, it is nice.
It's reassuring for people thatjust have they question more.
So there's reassurance to comefrom people as big as them that
you know, probably in spaces youcould only dream of, and to be
able to talk about some of thestuff and the theories and the

(55:59):
concepts, to kind of normalize.
It is soothing because youdon't feel like you would be
tripping.
For those who think like that,you don't feel like you're
tripping because you're like,all right, these two well-known
people discussing it.
So, hey, it's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
I don't have to feel weird about thinking or talking
about or researching or wantingto know about some of these
things because it's out thereand cat just seemed to me like
he talked, that he could talk toanybody, like he would
entertain, like if somebody wason the street, let's say if
somebody was homeless.
I can see Cat having afour-hour conversation with this

(56:37):
person and learning, like beingable to teach this person and
still learning from her.
Like he just seemed like he'sso well-rounded, though, like it
don't matter what.
You could talk about anythingwith Cat and he has an
experience.
He can guide you, he gonna giveyou some gems, he just gonna
I'm like man, what can he?

Speaker 3 (56:55):
What don't he know, the Joe Rogan one Take him to a
Even higher level.
Yeah, because he keeping upwith concepts that you can only,
that people can only speculate,that go beyond Like him as a
comedian.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yeah, oh, wait, wait.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Oh, even as somebody that's just creative.
And then he broke down how hewas, how he read these books,
and I'm a book reader too, I waslike that makes so much sense.
And I can see how he actuallydid read this many books and how
it was, how he was going as alittle kid, going to these
libraries checking them out andjust going through them.

(57:34):
Going through them, goingthrough them, I'm like that
makes so much sense.
And then he started breakingdown the books he read.
So now this me in my mind,peeking into his mind, I'm like
the programming within his mind,just on what he remembered,
just on what he read, just onwhat he, he actually know about

(57:57):
and able to apply to in today'stime.
And so people who can go back tosome of the um, the historical
accounts and things like that ofhistories and and narratives
and trajectories and sciences,and then see where we at today,
people who have read, who haveprocessed this stuff, then back

(58:21):
then, before some of the stuffcame about now in your mind, you
like I read this, I read aboutsome of this stuff when it
didn't exist.
Now I'm living in some of theexistence of many of these
things.
So now imagine all the otherstuff I read at the same time.
That ain't necessarilyperceivable.
If this came to be, then thesethings have to have come to be

(58:46):
because they're too connected.
Anybody else won't, and I soundlike I don't even know what I'm
talking about.
But anybody else who or wouldconnect those things and have
lived through the changes to beproven, would say man, it's
unbelievable sound like y'all.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Yes, it's unbelievable.
So he was talking how he wastalking and he was going to some
of these books and things likethat.
I was like, oh, I would havenever known.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I would have never known.
Yes, sir, yes, sir, well, shoot, that was number two.
And then gonna let you I'mgonna let you Bring us home With
the what you wanted to get outand your studies and tests.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Oh yeah, so I've been .
I've been experimenting Onmyself For like the last Three,
four years, so With the.
So I want to talk about the andhow I put it in chat.
The, the algorithm Abuse Did I?
So I want to talk about how Iput it in chat the algorithm
abuse.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Is that how I worded it.
You kind of made it soundcooler in the text thread the
algorithmic A harassment, ohyeah, algorithmic, the
harassment of the algorithm.
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
So in these algorithms, how they are
structured, it typically wouldgive you what you want to see.
And when you know what you wantto see, you're going to see it
and you'll be happy with it.
Like if I'm slowing down overtitties and titties keep popping
up.
I'm not really mad when I'mseeing stuff that's pleasing to
the eye.
Seeing stuff that's pleasing tothe eye, okay.

(01:00:34):
So now, after a while, thealgorithm is attempting to be
your friend so much and alsostill hold the uh, the
diversification in there thatyou start you starting to see
your algorithm be an extensionof, like, even your subconscious
okay of things that youslightly want to touch on, but

(01:00:55):
it still kept moving and nowit's there.
So I had two pages.
I had, like a page I made thatain't really associated with
anything that I wastraditionally connected to.
So when I moved so when I startplaying with my other page I
had to retrain the, the feed um,what is it?

(01:01:15):
The discovery feed?
Yep, I had to retrain that bymarket marking a whole lot of
stuff, whether I slowed downover it, not just marking a
whole lot of stuff, so it didn'tshow me anything, because you
will.
You'll get to this point, towhere your algorithm is arguing

(01:01:36):
with you.
It's like mad at you for notwanting to look at certain
content.
And so I'm seeing this in myexperiences with my feed, to
where I'm having to, um, deletecertain things out just so I
don't have to see it saying theopposite of what I want.
How?

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
are you deleting?

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
You say oh, I'm not interested, not interested.
On IG.
Right, yeah, on IG.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
You say I'm speaking specifically to IG.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
You hold it down, it'll say not interested.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
The post or the video of the post you post.
You can hold it down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah, you hold it down and then at the bottom, or
the three dots you hit at thebottom it gives you options.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Said not interested yeah and you say you say not
interested, so okay, it itnaturally or I don't know if
it's naturally, I'm justassuming it naturally.
If you say, say you're into thewellness world, which I like,
looking at some of themotivational things and stuff
like that, if you're clicking onpeople who are saying some good

(01:02:37):
motivational stuff, you willalso get, I want to say, some
people who don't deliver thatintent.
Well, so you'll have one person.
So say you'll be liking thisperson or people that's
equivalent to them and they'resaying some really positive dope
stuff.
It's on point, it's it's it'sinspiring you, it's lifting up

(01:02:59):
your day, it's just somethingyou would love to see on your
timeline.
Then all of a sudden, theopposite of that will pop up,
for whatever reason, I don'tknow why.
It's almost like your, yourfeed, your algorithm feed, is
arguing with each other.
So now you got the people whodeliver.

(01:03:19):
Well, you got.
I want to.
I'm not going to call them um,artificial, but I'm gonna say
certain someone else's deliverymight be completely like more
aggressive, more disrespectful,like more controlling, more
manipulating and things likethat.

(01:03:40):
You have to be able to kind ofresonate with the person's
intent or the post intent, andthen they can get real
disrespectful post-intent andthen it'll get.
They'll get, they can get realdisrespectful and you'll see
just mean, mean stuff.
Be on your timeline and you likeI'm not speaking in the
discovery section, I'm like man,this ain't what I really want
to see.
Then you might see a post ofyou know, let's say, a beautiful

(01:04:07):
black woman.
She's just beautiful, it ain'tover sexualized or anything.
Now, all of a sudden you'regonna see all of the hoochie
stuff too.
You'll start coming, you likethat ain't what I was.
That's not.
That wasn't my intention withthat.
I wasn't trying to see thatright there.
Then you might see certainthings.
So it's trying so hard toplease you, but it's also

(01:04:30):
feeding you the it's becauseit's not human.
It.
It's not doing a good job atfiltering out what end up
becoming disrespectful.
So the the part of you thatknow your intentions.
Now it got me in a place whereI'm like man, if I see a
beautiful black woman, I'mscared to like the picture or

(01:04:54):
slow down on it, because now I'mgoing to have to deal with my
timeline Also having the stuffthat's more.
That's not.
It's over sexualized.
Like versus just oh, this isjust a beautiful woman.
Yeah, she might.
She not trying to overdo it,but now I'm finna, see all the
other stuff that's not showingthe version of what I want to

(01:05:16):
see.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Her keep popping up on your timeline.
Now you don't like one picture.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
And now I see sierra like non-stop um, yeah, um, and
so it'll be that you get itdon't know what's actually
offensive in the categories, andthen you might not know if the

(01:05:41):
people that's making the contentthey can be put in categories
that might not even be of thesame um intent.
So you will have people that'sinspiring the um link to the
algorithm.
That's also the people that'soffensive that's that's trying

(01:06:05):
to be like the inspiring peopleunderstood so you'll rather it's
the keywords or whatever thecase.
Like that, it gets verycombative and you like that's
not, um, that makes it a full,not a full-time, job.
But I constantly, if I want togo to my feed, I'll have to
either either one just not be onsocial media, which that's hard

(01:06:28):
to do.
You, you, you do want toparticipate with it because it's
a lot of dope stuff on thereyeah but you have to constantly
go and service your um discoveryfeed and really go and clicking
into the not not interested onthe things that you don't want
to see, so it can slowly get itright.
And then then it slowly, myfeed slowly started getting it

(01:06:51):
right, more so on my secondarypage than the page that I have
years and years.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
So let me get this straight.
So when you see something crazyor something that you're not
really trying to look for, go oninto not interested.
If something does pop up thatain't your cup of tea, don't
stay on it long Right, becauseit they start to pick up that.
Okay.
He likes, yeah, thesemotivational speakers.
He likes fitness, he likesWhatever it was right.

(01:07:18):
Okay, so that would be Numbertwo, and anything else you done
to clean what I saw you doing.
That helped, but you can't Likeit Also liking the stuff you
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
So you got things like birds, nature, you got some
stuff you ain't going to getwrong at all.
Like, if I throw, you getsomething in there, like that
can kind of be a buffer between,so you won't keep seeing so
much of a chunk.
So you won't keep seeing somuch of a chunk, Like if I like

(01:07:50):
beautiful women, I don't wantit's eight beautiful women back
to back to back to back and likethat's just showing.
That's all what it is.
Okay, I want some birds in theresome nature, some architecture,
like you can.
You can go into those hashtagsand click on it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
You can follow that.
I had, I had something likethat.
You're right.
You're right, it does do that.
You know how you see the kidsplaying with the dogs and it's
all cute and stuff.
I like it.
But I'll go to the next.
And then, next thing, you know,I see a dog running attacking a
kid and another dog's trying toprotect the kid.
You're so right about that.
You are so right about that.

(01:08:27):
Yes, I do hit the notinterested.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
I didn't even know about this.
I do it a lot.
I do it a lot now, I do nothingabout the not interested.
I just taught me something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
I need to go check it out, but if you're not
sensitive to that and it don'tbother you what you see on your
timelines and your discoverysection, if nothing don't bother
you you good.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
No, it's the stuff I'm into for the most part, but
I do see the op like I can seehow I can get a little raunchy,
if you want to use that word.
Like how I can like it's notexactly the same, but they
trying to throw something elseyeah um, but even for us, well,
like even every exposure clip, Iyou know we take our time when
you know when the team isposting the content.
But you, you know there is aadd topics or category for
Facebook, even IG.
So I do want to make sure thateven with our show I'm trying to

(01:09:13):
associate those keywords so wedo at least pop up on the right
feed.
It's not like unnecessary, butyou're going to get, you know,
entertainment, you're going toget celebrity talk, you're going
to get it's a talk show, it's apodcast.
So maybe I think some of that.
There's a little error on thethe content creator not
assigning the category, becauseI can tell you Facebook and

(01:09:35):
Instagram when you post.
Now you can attach it to put it, to help it identify what kind
of video it is.
Right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
So what I say about Instagram it, it, do it,
instagram it, it, do it, it itdo it do its job really well, so
that's so.
So this is what my experimentis in and that's why I attach it
to the subconscious, because Ihad to be honest and be like you

(01:10:05):
, kind of asking for some ofthis stuff.
Uh right, they not giving younothing that you ain't asking
for.
So I have, I have to umintentionally use that not
interested section just to cleanup what the subconscious might
pull in through the?

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
um, the suggestions and I tell you what?
Let me tell y'all, boys, what Idid.
Real, I I don't follow a lot ofcelebrities, because I used to
follow a lot of celebrities,right, yeah, and the reason why
I did that no matter what, theystill come up on your timeline.
Why follow them?
And they still come up like Idon't follow y'all.

(01:10:44):
You mentioned sierra.
I like sierra a lot but I don'tI follow on facebook but here
we go.
If I double tap a Sierra now, Iget something else on there Hold
up.
I was trying to keep my pageclean because when I be live
sometimes I show my page but Idon't want nothing crazy to show
up on the timeline, so I'llmove my browsers just to make

(01:11:09):
sure not a piece of booty showup on the line when I'm live,
bro.
But if you do like celebrityshit, bro, it eventually pull in
the rest with it, bro.
Eventually it does it, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Your follows influence that as well, because
my page I had for years.
I follow so many, it have somuch history on me that it know
it know my I would say the oldme and how I interact it, it's

(01:11:43):
hard for me to change the um,the, the discovery feed, and I'd
be trying, I'd be like boy,this original page.
do not want me to want anythingdifferent.
I go to the later one.
I got it's much easier.
So I could say what sucks isthe people that deliver content.

(01:12:09):
Very well, and this way, a partof my experiment says that
certain people could be punishedfor putting good content.
And then you have.
You know, I'm going to say anexample for us.
Say, we did a podcast, ourproximity, you know, after a

(01:12:31):
while, a hundred other peoplemade a podcast within the same
proximity.
Okay, now there is acompetition to in a competition,
but also a fight over theattention within that space of
just that category of thepodcast, and the platform knows

(01:12:52):
this, but it's trying to do itsbest at sharing it.
So, even if you're deliveringthe best quality content or
something somebody else needs,you can be punished because
you'll end up upliftingeverybody else.
And if they're I want to saymore more aggressive or can even

(01:13:15):
even um, engage in a negativeway, they can be rewarded over
you so some of these wellnesspeople that I might follow and
they're.
They are really amazing at whatthey're saying.
Now, guess what?
I'm going to get a whole bunchof people who are horrible at it
, and some of them might betrolls in some sense, but the

(01:13:40):
algorithm is trying to match it,so it's matching the
conversation as well.
So you end up getting a personcoming under them that's saying
they're opposite of the otherone.
You end up seeing this linkageand it turned into one
conversation and it can throwyou off because you're like all
right, now, now that's mefollowing the guidance of the

(01:14:00):
people.
That's really good.
And you listen.
You're like, wait, one personsaying this, yeah, then this
person saying this, oh, but thenthis person like this.
So you're trying to like whatyou do like.
And then you're like wait, myfeed is now engaged in the
argument and it's beingcontradictive.
And then you really startseeing the people who ain't good
.
So now you're like who Iwouldn't say ain't good?

(01:14:22):
They don't fit you.
But it can throw you offbecause you want you are wanting
to see on your social mediacontent that make you want to
stay there and feel comfortablein there without being too
offended or having to engage andbe entertaining, and stuff that
just ain't really helpful atall for where you at.

(01:14:46):
And I started to feel bad forthe ones that do things well,
because I'm like man, I want tolike your content but I'm going
to have to pay for it Becausethe algorithm is going to start
sending me other stuff that Idon't want in my feed and I
would like to like it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Some people you can't even follow.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
It's like it hurts you because you're like man.
I want to like this.
I want to support it.
I want to follow it.
I like it hurts you becauseyou're like man.
I want to like this.
I want to, you know, support it.
I want to follow.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I want to do that but you ain't trying to see muscles
all on your timeline, yeah, andthe person.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
And the person might not even know that, hey, I like
what you got going on, yeah, butyou don't know what it's gonna
cost me yeah and what I'm gonnahave to fight yeah in the
algorithm world.
Yeah, just to support whatyou're doing and watching what
you're doing, I'm gonna have tosee so much of everything else

(01:15:41):
and it make you kind of get awayfrom you know, supporting what
you would like to supportbecause you, you know the
algorithm do it so good, butit's the human side of things to
where we're pushing.
We're making content that canprobably be offensive and be

(01:16:06):
used in the algorithms to juststill generate what its purpose
purpose is, whether it's ads orjust attention or whatever that
uh case may be.
So I say that to say sorry if Idon't be liking certain people,
pictures and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
That uh now you, you, you, this was, um, I don't
think a lot of people are awarehow it works.
I think it was a really goodobservation and a good study.
Right, because it's a goodstudy?
Because I, I know what the ar2like when these acts be asking
you, hey, do you want this?
Uh, will you allow this app totrack you?
Or, you know, allow or notallow?

(01:16:41):
But like it's so powerful, eric,because, like even the, the,
the retailers, the bigindustries out there, when, when
those folks do accept, like wewas being taught by Boar's Head,
their meat distributor incheese, like they have data on
people, like they got reportsout there that tell you, ok, if

(01:17:02):
you got off this plane, let'ssay, like they know the
individual, if they got off thisplane in this city and they
come from this field, forwhatever they know, they would
go to this hotel, they go tothis gas station, they go to
this coffee shop in the morning.
Like it is so much information,like they literally get to know
you without knowing you.

(01:17:22):
And that's that informationthat companies want to buy.
Like if I was so close or if I,whatever product I had to sell,
I would know that, oh, oh, theylike this car.
They can literally set up atrap, knowing that, ok, from
this hotel to this gas station,I need to put my business right
here this is what they like.
And it's like I was, like I knewit's one thing to know what

(01:17:45):
kind of city, how old and whatphone they was using.
Now I'm like they know, knowyou how powerful that is for a
company to have that information?
It's the algorithm outside ofthe phone if you start to kind
of think about it, because nowit knows what you like.
Um, so very powerful data outthere, man, very powerful what
they doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
But hey, question so if I watch a video for over five
seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
It's like saying I like it.
It knows, yeah, you're gonnaget more of it.
To eric's point you're gonnaget more of it.
That's how my tiktok works.
I watched one video of thisdamn alligator eating uh, uh one
of them uh gazelle one of themgazelles at the goddamn edge.
And then I stayed long enoughbecause I'm like where's that?
where's gonna come.
It grabbed that sucker dog outof nowhere and all, all of a

(01:18:29):
sudden, dog, I got the DiscoveryChannel on my TikTok.
Now dog, I got all animalsgetting giraffes running and
bulls running.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I'm like, I didn't like it.
I just watched that bit longenough.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I'm like God damn it.
And then one dude got me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
It starts off with the Discovery guy voice All the
next thing you do is yeah, andit starts off with the Discovery
guy voice All the next thingyou do is yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
And then another one got me was the cleaning the cars
.
The dude took the whole insideapart the cleaning.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
I watched that all day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
And then I was just like damn, this is impressive.
The nigga took off thedashboard.
Now, all of a sudden, I'mgetting these videos.
I'm like oh my god Bro, it'sall.
Asmr bro Am I, they ASMR bro AmI.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
They're cleaning in the cracks in the bed, yeah,
yeah, and then the sound effect.
Yeah, all-ass ASMR bro, theydon't say not one word.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Yeah, some categories you can't go wrong, like the
ASMRs.
You're not going to see nothingthat's too far off in the ASMR
category.
Certain things like bike ridersand stuff like that, certain
areas just ain't going to getwrong.
Yeah, bike riders and stufflike that, certain areas just
ain't going to get wrong whenyou get into specifics like
whether it's politics, whetherit's music there's certain areas

(01:19:40):
that the memes that just gotquotes of astrology stuff that
get very very specific, it'llstart feeding you so much and
not everybody and this is mejudging, but not everybody
qualified to do some of thisstuff.
Well, and I'm like you.

(01:20:01):
You see how the unqualificationcan damage and really shape a
perspective around stuff.
I say this by um, the astrologypeople.
You know how to.
They'll read certainastrologies and they'll give
their opinions on them, how theyare most I won't say most,

(01:20:22):
there's many that be the onesthat's most entertaining, I'll
say they'll depict these signsin like a negative light, like
they'll.
They'll be judging it, they'llbe grading it correctly, but
instead of seeing the positive,expressing it and explaining the
sign positively, they'reexplaining like the negative

(01:20:46):
stuff which ain't even ain'tnecessarily true because the
circumstances could make, let'ssay, a Virgo come off like not
somebody you would want to cross, but that's because of the
circumstances.
They don't have nothing to dowith what a Virgo really is,

(01:21:14):
have nothing to do with what avirgo really is.
And so you grading it off ofthe circumstances, of certain
reactions, and putting it outthere is, that's how that sign
is.
And now you got a lot of peoplefrom the following accepting
that as them, when really that'snot what they are.
That makes sense, yeah, andthen it started.
It started shaping stuff and Istarted seeing nothing but the

(01:21:36):
negative side of things.
And now it is some people thatdo astrology will present the
beautiful side, but, right, theyare outnumbered by the ones
that can be very entertaining,that can be very um, you know,
theatrical, or just got the timeand the following, or whatever

(01:21:58):
the case may be, and they dovery good, the performance is
very good, but it's not.
It's not um.
Showcasing the beneficial sideof the intent is really just
looking at it like, hey, I'mgoing to put a bunch of Scorpios
in this condition.
Then, based on how they behavein circumstances, that's not

(01:22:22):
suitable for them.
Now we're going to take thedata and that's how we're going
to describe the Scorpio.
That's how we're going todescribe the Scorpio Really.
It's unfair, because you can'treally describe any sign or any
character trait and grade themoff of horrible conditions.
That wouldn't make no sense.

(01:22:43):
I'd make you weigh some highheels and tell you to run a 4-4,
and they'd be like, oh, he'sslow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
That's a crazy analogy for it, but absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Yeah, he running slow , that's all I'm saying to you.
I'm like, oh you ain't going tomention that you made him wear
high heels.
He had to put his hands in hispockets.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
That's just the way they are.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
One of the changes that they did that I do enjoy a
lot, because I remember one ofthe companies was sitting in
court.
I don't remember which socialmedia it was, but they were
saying out in China, way outthere, the algorithm would
always show them something, alife hack or something positive

(01:23:32):
on their feeds, and we weren'tgetting that down here in the us
.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Tick tock, yeah, tick tock in china is not the same
tick tock that we have over hereis what they say okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
So I think the other medias, the other social medias,
heard that and they changed itup.
Like I get a lot on my feed, alot I like, I love the life
hacks.
I get a lot of good life lifehacks, a lot of like the ways to
cook a good, you know, quickbreakfast or things you should
be aware of, and and your health, and I get a lot of that, not

(01:24:01):
just because I like it, but wedidn't.
I didn't used to get none ofthat back in the day, but I'm,
I'm I'm hoping it's not just me.
You know what I'm saying, thatthat's seeing the life hats and
um, showing videos that ladiesshould be aware of signs that
people leave on your car, andsaying that you're being tracked
and all these other um, youknow, these videos that can help

(01:24:22):
people in their daily lives.
I didn't used to get that backin the day.
Um, I don't know if these guysdid something now the rhythm to
you know, to make it more visualand on people's feeds, but I
think that's one thing that Ireally like that they're doing,
you know, especially with thecooking stuff, with the food and
stuff like that.
That part is real dope to me.
But yeah, that's the onlychange I've seen that has

(01:24:44):
happened over the years.
That, I think, is dope when itcomes to social media and you're
talking about, like theInstagram and Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
You're seeing this on .
Because, you don't got contact,I don't have contact.
Okay, well, maybe the worldwon't have it soon, or at least
the US.
We'll see.
We'll keep y'all posted.
Well, I wanted to touch base onthat on the next episode.
Hopefully we'll see.
I don't know if they're goingto make the decision by then,
but I know they're reallypushing, they're really pushing
the band that.

(01:25:10):
So we'll see, uh, what thattakes us, man, and uh, that's
all.
Uh, that's all we really gotfor the day, man.
I, you know we really wanted tokeep it not too too crazy long
and catch up and touch base andgive content.
But, um, you know, we'll goback to some interviews after
this episode, for sure, and youtuned in to another episode of
exposure and we are it's morethan just a podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
It's exposure.

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