Charting the Course of Comedians with Michael Calvin Jr.

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All right. Yes, yes, yes. Well, what's going on, man? This is your man,
Buddy Romig, and we are back at it with another episode of the Yeah Buddy podcast.
And this episode is brought to you by the Comedy Cash Cow Competition.
So if you are a stand-up comedian, you want a chance to win $1,000 and start
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That is going down May 25th, Vacaville, California, Comedy Cash Cow Competition.
All right, y'all, Let's get into it. Let's get to this episode.
You know what I would do on the Yeah Buddy podcast.
Every episode, I try to break in with one of my friends in the entertainment business.
We chop it up, see what we got going on, talk about our journeys in the entertainment
business, just crazy stories and things that we've learned along the way.

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And this episode is like no other. This episode, we got my good friend.
We got a stand-up comedian.
He is host of the Say It Loud comedy show at Laughs Unlimited.
He is a podcaster with his own podcast called Blunts and Bullshit.
I I want y'all to give it up right now for my good friend, Mr.
Michael Calvin Jr., y'all. Hey, hey, hey, hey. How we doing?

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Good, man. Good. How you doing, Mike? Pretty good, sir. Pretty good. Pretty good.
So what's going on with you, man? What's going on? You got a show tonight up
at the Guild Theater? Yes, sir. Tonight we are live at the Guild Theater.
Shout out to Drew Burks for the booking, DJ Soup, and DJ Soup on the ones and
twos. Shout out to the whole Guild Theater family.
Tonight it's Jarrell Parker, Drew Burks hosting, and myself.

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Myself and your headliner is Hannibal Thompson out of the Bay.
Shout out to Hannibal and Jarrell and Drew and everybody. Nice.
And what's the next Say It Loud show?
The next Say It Loud comedy show is actually March 21st. And we have Kevin Tate.
Kevin Tate will be your headliner.
As seen on Comedy Central, tour with Kevin Hart, big guy out of L.A.,

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has a lot of the Chocolate Sunday reels, a lot of the reels that they do.
A lot of his have gone viral, over 100,000 views, the whole nine.
So, yeah, this Thursday, Kevin Tate, get your tickets now.
Nice, nice, nice. Oh, and all March birthdays are in for free with a valid ID.
So, if you're born in March, just have a valid ID and you're in for free.
Dope, dope. Yeah, yeah, slide three, March. March, what was it?

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March, what was it? March 21st, Life's Unlimited.
Show starts at 7 o'clock. So, yeah, you've been doing, you've been a stand-up
comedy, doing the same life for a minute.
Like, how did you get started into stand-up just in general?
Started into stand-up like as far as like what
what how did i get interested or just kind of like what was
it something yeah like what was it that made you like just get into like

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do you remember like your first like stand-up performance yes i
do i remember so like growing up as a kid like i watched my dad was a big eddie
murphy fan so like i watched a lot of eddie murphy growing up so like trading
places coming to america harlem nights the golden child so 48 hours like that
that was a lot of the stuff that like my dad would watch.

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And it was something, it was a moment that we would share together.
So like as a child, I would watch that. And then when a deaf comedy jam first
came out, I was in like middle school.
And what I would do is I would stay up late at night and I would take my little
VHS tape and I would record all of the deaf comedy jam episodes.
And then like I would spend like the whole weekend like watching it.

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Like I'd wait till my grandparents went to sleep and then I would be up watching
it. And then by the time Monday came around, when it was time to go back to
school, like I would literally have their sets memorized.
So like when I would go to school on Monday, I would be, I would imitate whoever
I thought was funny and I would just like do their sets.
So like in hindsight, that's where it all started.

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So my dad, my dad's interest in Eddie Murphy kind of led me into like when house
party came out, Martin Lawrence was like Martin Lawrence was who caught my eye
and house party, even though he had a small role, he was the DJ.
And so then then he was a host of deaf comedy jam.
And so then I started watching that. Then I found out he was a standup comedian

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and then like Martin like took off, like the whole Martin Lawrence thing became a thing.
And so Martin was a big comedy influence. I followed everything Martin as a kid.
Then fast forward to as an adult.
How did I get into stand-up? Like, it was always something that interests me.
Shout out to my boy, Andre Bailey.

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I've known Andre since I was a teenager. Like, I was 15 when I first met Andre.
And Andre had already started doing comedy.
Wow. When I was in my early 20s, I want to say was when Dre first started.
Dre's four years older than me. Four or five years older than me.

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So like Dre was all so Dre had started doing doing comedy and so I had I had my own interest,
and so I started trying to figure out like where the open mics were and stuff
like that and then I saw Mike Epps stand up and I don't mean this in any disrespectful
way at all but like um in my early 20s that's like when like Mike Epps started

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doing all the movies with with Ice Cube,
So I saw Mike Epps stand up and like when I would watch Mike Epps and all of
his movies, I was like, bro, I act like that in real life.
Like, you know what I'm saying? But he's getting paid millions of dollars.
And I was like, that is cool as shit.
Like, it looks like like it looks like all Mike Epps does is be himself all
all day long and he gets a bag.

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So I was like, man, if I could do that, if I could just do that,
that's what I would want to do for the rest of my life.
And it's no disrespect to Mike Epps, but, like, Martin Lawrence,
Bernie Mac, Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, like, all of those people,
like, you kind of get, like, a God syndrome, you know what I'm saying?

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So, like, you look up to them, and you're like, I'll never be that.
So, like, but seeing Mike Epps, I was like, bro, if I could do that,
you know what I'm saying?
Like, I know I could do that, because he just seems like he's being himself.
So, like, I could be myself. self.
And so seeing Mike Epps do it gave me the, the motivation to feel like I could do it myself.

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And like, I don't mean that in like, I'm not shitting on the brother.
It, he actually gave me the confidence to be myself because it looked like,
you know what I'm saying?
As much as I feel like, you know, Kevin, well,
Bernie Mac and all them and Kevin Hart, et cetera, like they're all being themselves
it just seemed like there was a level and even at the level he's at like i'm

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not shitting on it it's it's super dope but like he was the one that made me feel like all right,
you you could probably get us a try yeah you he's one of those type of people
that you just kind of like i get what you said he's that person that you look
at he'd be like oh i could do it like yeah i could i could do this and shit
like that but it's not like disrespectful though because you see yourself in

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them yeah yeah you see yourself yeah you see yourself in them you're Like you look at it,
like I said, everybody has that different type of person, like look like just on TV screen.
Cause those are the people that we, you know.
We don't really fit into like, we see ourselves like in the entertainment business
because, or, you know, occupying this, this realm to some, to some capacity.

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Right. We just, like, you just look at that one person that you see on the TV
screen and it just, it just, it's just like a light bulb hits.
Yeah. He's like, fuck. Like, yeah. I could like, oh damn. Okay.
I see the way he's moving. He has similar, similar personality,
similar characteristics to me to where I'm more like, okay, all I gotta do is
just kind of like not copy his, like what he's doing, but just that,
that work ethic and stuff.

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Yeah, like, like he's doing something that I'm like, okay, oh yeah,
I can do it. Like he cracked the code.
Like, and it just, it just flips that switch on you. You're like, that's it.
It's wild. Yeah. Yeah. So like seeing him and then, so like I started writing
and then shout out Dre actually referred me to my first open mic,

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which was at, uh, oh my God. That's so disrespectful. Vincent.
Oh, oh, it was that. No, no, not Vince's guy.
Dang it it's in rancho that's so trash
i'm i'm on an interview i can't remember the first place i did comedy
at it was right over there in rancho
like you can go over the overpass jb's no no it's it's a it's a it's like a

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biker bar oh i know what you're talking about but it's changed names so many
times though it's like yeah i know what you're talking about see all the og
is gonna be mad at me too for for not getting it right but like all right so
the first place i ever did comedy at It's like right over,
God, it's going to hit me too.
But so like Dre referred me to my first open mic, which was over in Rancho Cordova, like tucked away.

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Like if you're getting off of the freeway off of 50, it's like right off of
the freeway. It's like right there.
So at that time I was, we're working at the motel, which was on the other side
of the freeway. At that time it was a quality in.
So I was writing, and this was when like the Michael Vick dog thing happened.
So like, I was writing a bunch of jokes about the Michael Vick dog thing. Right.

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So I go to, I go to the open mic and like, I get there and I'm just kind of
looking around and I walk in and, um, I see the little sign up sheet or whatnot.
And so I just kind of like walk by it, but I got my notebook and Patrick J walks
up to me, shout out to Patrick J and he's like.
I don't know him at that time but he walks up to me and he's

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like hey he was like are you are you uh are you
are you here for comedy and i was like yeah i'm here
to do that comedy i'm here to check it out or what or whatnot and
he was like are you signing up i was like yeah i
don't know i'm still trying to figure it out and he was
like oh all right he was like what's up i'm
patrick jay and he sticks his hand out and i'm
like what's up i'm mike calvin and like he

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he doesn't even shake my hand bro he literally spins off
and is like i'm i'm assigned
you up and he spins off and like
i'm sitting there i still got my hand out right and i'm like i'm
like this bitch ass nigga i'm like
i bet like all right so we in here with like
haha niggas you know what i'm saying so i'm i'm

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on that hype like i'm coming from the streets and shit i'm on i'm
like all right so niggas is jokes in in here so
and then i'm thinking telling myself i'm like
all right well bet he's the only one that knows my
name so like if they call me it's not like i gotta get up you know what i'm
saying i i can sit there and be like that guy left so you know a bunch of other

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comics are are there they're signing up you know open And Mike starts,
boom, people start getting up on stage, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Dre, so throughout the night, Dre shows up.
Dre's like, oh, oh, oh, what's up, Mike? So I'm like, oh, what's up,
nigga? I'm like, ah, fuck, now two people know who I am.
So then Dre starts introducing me to, like, the people that he knew and shit.

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So I'm just kind of like, yeah, yeah, what's up?
So at this time, Shane Murphy was the host.
Shane comes up to me and Shane's like, are you, he's like, are you Michael Calvin?
And I was like, yeah. And he's like, all right, well, you're next.
And I'm like, all right. And he's like, so is there anything that you want me to say?
And I was like, I was like, no, I'll just say my name, like Beyonce.

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You know so
he goes on stage and he fucking
roasts me bro he goes on stage and he's like he's
like ladies and gentlemen oh my god you guys are
inferred a treat this this man oh
my god he stopped doing cocaine and
flew all the way from dallas texas to do

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comedy for you guys guys give it up for michael irvin
i mean michael calvin so so
like at this time i'm short-haired i
ain't got the dreads like i ain't got the glasses and shit so like he's fucking
clowning me so like i go on stage and i was like i was like yeah i was like
ladies and gentlemen give it up for or no i was like yes i'm not the only celebrity

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here tonight give it up for your host,
the dancing guy from the Six Flag ads.
And I was like, and so like, they started laughing and then.
I was like, I was like, it's funny that he was bringing up football.

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And I started talking about all of like my Michael Vick bits and just my bits
were basically about how Michael Vick's homeboys weren't shit.
Because like if you have a friend that's worth a hundred million dollars,
like what else do you have to do but go to jail?
Like if I have a friend that's worth a hundred million dollars,
like, bro, like I don't care if it's on film. Like, bro, that's me.
Like, I don't, I don't even know why we're still talking about all this video.

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You have like, that's literally me on film. like take me to jail.
Like, I'm not even sure why we're talking about this. Like, I don't even know
this Michael Vick guy. I don't care if I have his shoes and jersey and all this
other signed paraphernalia on. This is just crazy.
This is a strange coincidence. So I had a pretty good set. So I got off stage,
like they were clapping.
And then I get off stage and Shane comes up to me and he, he,

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he's like, Hey man, that was a great set. Like how, how long have you been doing comedy?
And I was like, bro, that was my first time ever on stage. And he was like,
for real and he was like man you you got a good
stage presence so you should keep at it and i was like all right cool and then
when i got off stage like a lot of the other comics were like said the same
thing they were like how long you've been doing it and i was like bro this is

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my first time ever and they were just all like what and so like that was the
first time and that was 2006.
2006 2006 was the first time i got on stage yeah i think he was at the first
mic that i had went to up at the San Juan Club or North San Juan Club. I can't remember.

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Somewhere there off the church. In Roseville? No, it wasn't in Roseville.
It was in like Citrus Heights area.
Citrus Heights area. It was named Kevin Porter used to do it.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Kevin Porter. Yeah.
Jesus, buddy. You been in the vault because, yeah, I forgot about that, Mike.
Yeah, we was doing the little gig right there off of San Juan.

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Yeah, it was somewhere in the Citrus Heights area. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. in Carmichael area.
Shout out to Kevin Porter. Yeah, we was doing an open mic out there.
Yeah, that was funny. Yeah, that was, yeah, first open mic and then,
yeah, put me on my first showcase up there.
We did some competition. I can't remember who was all up in there. Yeah.
But yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was first open mic. Yeah, first showcase I

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went to and stuff like that. So yeah, I remember.
Yeah, that was with, yeah, yeah, with Corey Calvert. Shout out to Corey Calvert.
Yeah, oh yeah, that's what y'all was doing.
That was my first like, like put on or like see like, like the whole like blunts and bullshit crew.
All these, even had the shirts on and everything. I was like,
oh, these niggas. Like, this was like a, like, like, like not even like a month

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at the car. I'm like, oh, these niggas is like cash money out here.
Shout out to Fat Partner. Fat Partner made those t-shirts, man.
Shout out to my homeboy, uh, Stefan Williams, man. Shout out to Fat Partner, Big Smoke.
So yeah, for the people that don't know, blunts and bullshit, So back in the day, man,

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Me, Corey Calvert, my partner, Big Smoke, we used to meet up in the morning
and just smoke, smoke, blunts and talk shit.
Cause like I was always up early. Like I was up early. I would drop my daughter off at school.
And so during the day, I just had free time.
So like they would come through in the morning, we'd be smoking and talking shit.
And then one day

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smoke was like nigga i'm i'm i'm i'm
going live and we was like all right and so we just
started just cutting up and we did it once like the views went crazy and so
then like we was like fuck it let's do it again and then just like it kind of
became a thing and then shortly along the way i had met my brother javon whitlock Shout out to Javon.

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Yeah, shout out to Javon. Shout out to Amy Rogers.
Because, yeah, shout out to, God, I don't want to do that to her.
The chick that used to be with the glasses with the short hair.
Oh, my God, what's her name? Oh, my God, that's so foul.
Because she was a part of it, too, and I don't want to. Oh, I know who you're

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talking about, but I don't remember her name. My God, I can't remember her name.
Jesus. But, yeah, she also was a part of the short hair classes.
Oh, fuck, I can't remember her name. But so the show turned in.
Well, it turned into, like, an actual, like, real, like, podcast.
Like, we went from just, like, going live on Facebook in front of my apartment.

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And then we started, like, we went inside. Smoke made a theme song.
Blunts and bullshit. shit. So he made the song and then, then Javon came on and then Amy came on.
And so then like every morning we would go on at 10, 10 30.

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And then we'd go for about an hour, hour, hour and a half.
We'd just be smoking and just like before the show, we'd like go on Twitter
and see what was trending or just like random topics that were on in, in the news.
And then we just more or less like a riff and talk about everything that was going on.
And, you know, we had a good little run. Like at first it was me,

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Corey, it was me, Corey, and Smoke.
And then it was me, Corey, Smoke, and Amy.
And then Smoke started getting busy with his life.
And then it became me, Javon, Corey, and Amy.

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And then, you know, life happens, people move, et cetera, et cetera.
And then it just became a me and Javon thing.
But Fat Padma had already made the song. So, like, at that point,
it was just me and Javon rocking. So, like, every morning, 10.30, we was on it.

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We was just on the topics.
We'd film at his dad's house, at his parents' house, at my house.
Like, if we had shows on the road, like, nigga, we was filming in the car.
Like, it just, yeah, the grind was crazy back then.
Like, we was putting it in. We was getting it in. Shout out to the whole Blunts and Bullshit family.

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Without all of them, it couldn't have been what it ended up being. No, it was dope, bro.
I remember those were, that was the time, like I said, y'all had,
not only was you doing like the busted bullshit, but you were also doing like skits in between it.
Really kind of just, like, like just doing everything then with the whole.
Doing the Say It Loud show too, still putting like, putting other comedians on too and stuff.

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Yeah, shout out to, yeah, Say It Loud comedy show.
Speaking of, like, yeah, I guess we can talk about that. So,
for the people that don't know, I guess kind of talk about myself.
So, I've been doing comedy now since like 2006
so the way i got
so that's how i told you guys how i started doing comedy my
my first open mic i've been in a

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bunch of different like comedy groups shout out to my boy
leaf the first comedy group i was ever in was cowboys and cannabis it was me
a comedian named leaf aka troy goings oh shit what was the white dude oh my
god i'm forgetting people's names that's so So, so trash.

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He was a, he, he, he was like a real cowboy, like a fucking redneck too, like a redneck cowboy.
Like, and he, it was me, him, and I'm trying to remember who the other fucking
part of the cannabis was, but it was, but we were in, in, in that group.
And then, so when like I first started doing comedy, Leaf was literally the
only one that was booking me.

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So like every, every, everything that Leaf did, he was putting me on,
we actually did a live taping of that.
Well, not a live taping, but we recorded it.
So like, there's a Cowboys and Cannabis DVD out there that I'm on.
And then after being part of the Cowboys and Cannabis, I was still on the grind inside doing comedy.
Actually, excuse me, let me backtrack because big shout out to Sean Peabody.

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I want to give a big shout out to Sean P. Sean P was somebody that I met at my first open mic.
Sean P. was literally one of the first comedy OGs that, like,
took me under his wing and, like, put me on the road, took me to open mics,
like, introduced me to comedians in the Bay Area.
After my first open mic where I did my first set, I met Sean P.

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And then, like, we went to Denny's or anything like that. I met D.D. Tyler.
I met B.T. Kingsley, Ellis Rodriguez, E. Clark.
I want to make sure I'm not forgetting nobody.
So like Mikey Winfield. So like Sean P.
Sean P. had a whole little crew called the True Grinders. Right.

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And so like we would literally we would hit like four or five open mics a night,
bro. Like, so we'd go from Sac, we'd leave Sac and go to the Bay.
And so like, we'd go to the Bay area and then out there at that time,
Jesus, the Bay had like four or five open mics a night.

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So like literally we'd go down there and we'd do one show and like Sean P used to get at me.
Like Sean P used to be like, I mean, that was luck.
Like you was, I mean, you was lucky, but I mean, we're going to a new show.
Like, I don't know if you, you, you, you, you, if you can do it again.
And I used to be like, the fuck, nigga, who you talking to?
Like, so like Sean would be getting at, at me.

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So like every open mic that we went to, he'd be like, man, you,
you just lucky. Like, I don't know.
Like, so I'd be literally going up there trying to kill.
And like, it, it was all in, in good fun, but like, he would always be like, I don't know, bro.
Like, can, can you follow him? Like, he's, he's funny. Like,
I don't know. You just been.
And so like, he would always do that. And so Hit the Bay, he started a whole

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like true grinder movement,
which I want to say the true grinder movement was before I joined the Mikes,
which the Mikes was another comedy group that I was part of.
And a shout out to the Mikes, which was started by Michael O'Connell. Rest in peace.
Michael O'Connell randomly messaged me one time saying that there was like,

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he had saw that there were a bunch of Mikes in the comedy scene,
a bunch of different guys named Michael.
He was like, we all have different styles of comedy. Like, how would you feel about being in a group?
And I was like, fuck it. I'm like, sure. Like, you know, I'd been in a group
before and it had worked out.
So the group originally was Michael O'Connell, Mike Sinclair,

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Mike on the mic, who used to be at the Rivercats.
Mike Betancourt. Am I missing? Mike Sinclair, me, Michael O'Connell,
Mike on the mic. Who am I forgetting?
Mike bencourt mike bencourt mike on
the mic michael o'connell myself mike sinclair

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so that was the original five so we
did our first we actually were on tv we did good day
sacramento which was my first ever tv gig was on good day sacramento we had
our first show at laughs unlimited shout out to laughs unlimited did the show
the show was a success then mike on the mic started working more or at the Rivercats

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for the games. He was doing the mic on the mic thing.
So then it was just me, Mike Sinclair, Michael O'Connell, and Mike Bencourt.
And then the mics took off. We had t-shirts and the whole nine. It was pretty cool.
It was a mic logo with a microphone that said the mics.
Okay, dope, dope. Still got some t-shirts, too. Shout out to the guys.

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So from being a part of, like, beat on multiple teams and every team,
like, you know, played like a different level,
you know, from whatever your role may have been when you were doing the campus
comedy to, like, now, like, being, like, I guess you say you be,
like, the full force, like, behind the blunted bullshit.
What are some of the things that you look back on and say, like,
these are the important things that I learned from the benefits of,

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like, working with the crew, but then also, like, like the pros and cons?
I would say, in my experience, the groups that I was a part of,
there were different pros and cons.
So just in a group dynamic, right, if we're just going to talk about working
as a group, right, we'll start with the negative, right, because that's easier.

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So the negative is that it's a group project. it.
So at the end of the day, everything has to be agreed upon or else you don't move forward.
Right. So the bad thing about being in a group is you pick up other people's bad habits.
Right. So like if one of us lacks ambition, that could literally spread amongst the group.

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Right. If if one of us has a bad attitude, that can spread amongst the group.
So in a group dynamic.
The moment it becomes about an individual, it ruins the group dynamic,
because now it it makes the other people in the group feel like they're just

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peons and just at the end of the day, nobody wants to feel like they're a peon. Yeah.
Like, because even in a group dynamic, right?
Like if you're on the Warriors or the Bulls, like everybody knows who Michael
Jordan is and who is Steph Curry.
Right. But at the same time, don't make me feel like I don't contribute or just

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I'm somebody that's just tagging along.
Like there are things that I contribute to the team that makes Michael Jordan
or Steph Curry better because I'm on the team.
So you have those moments like
that or you have somebody who's not steph
curry or michael jordan and they think they're steph curry and michael jordan
so then it throws off the group dynamic because we as

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a group know who the who might be the
star is yeah and now somebody else is trying
to like he's just jordy pool yeah exactly you know i'm saying you're you're
bro you're you're stop it we've been doing this before you i got here so it's
one of those things where that's the negative about the group dynamic is is
you pick up other people's bad habits either.

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Intentionally or in in intentionally now the pros about being in a group is
that marketing a group is easier than marketing yourself right because the thing
about marketing a group is that.
When you're marketing yourself, the conversation stops if I don't like you, right? Yeah.

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So like the moment I don't like Michael Calvin Jr., this conversation's over.
But if I'm talking about the mics, I'm part of a group dynamic.
And then most people genuinely think of when they think of a group,
they think of diversity.
They think that there's literally like you guys are put together because all
of you guys bring something different to the table.

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So what I found with booking and marketing, it was easier to book the mics in
comedy clubs and theaters and stuff like that.
It was easier to book the mics than, than it was to book my Michael Calvin jr.
Because once we research Michael Calvin Jr., if there's anything,
we can nitpick the things that we don't like about Michael Calvin Jr.

(28:16):
But in a group dynamic, you know, first of all, I'm an individual representing a group.
So just that within itself, you give the, it gives the impression that you're
more business savvy, I would say.
Because since you are part of a group, like I said before, the positive is because
everything you're doing, you're in agreement on.

(28:38):
So it's not like one of us is, is, is, is just freestyling by himself.
You know what I'm saying? Or even if one of us is freestyling,
it's because you're the best freestyler.
So go, you know what I'm saying? So it's, everything is, or,
or organized chaos would be the best way to put it.
So that's the best part about being in a group is that you can hide yourself

(29:03):
as an individual and focus on on selling the group aspect of it,
because I can sell the mics.
And I can highlight all the things the mics do and have done and not make it about my part.
You know what I'm saying? So that to me was one of the things that I've learned,
which has helped me with everything that I've done.

(29:25):
Like as far as with the sale out comedy show, smoking joke show,
all the other different open mics and stuff that I've had. And even like you
said with Blunts and Bullshit, like I've learned how to work as a team and make
it about the team and not necessarily about my individual preferences.
Yeah, because I think when you're doing things like that, like you're marketing,

(29:46):
like you say, you're marketing like the mics or marketing smoking jokes.
What you're really, what you're doing is you're creating a brand with every group.
And when you do that, like when you're creating a brand, you
don't approach it from the same point like how you say like booking yourself because
you're doing from like a very selfish or selfless standpoint
whereas but like with your brand you're building up a business
so you have to make business decisions and that's

(30:09):
the most important part of like being in the entertainment business
yes is the business aspect of it and learning it to some capacity to where like
you know where you could you could fit into that realm because as a comedian
you have to understand just how important and being able to conduct yourself
in a professional way will help get you so far ahead in this game. Oh yeah, definitely.

(30:32):
Like I agree with that a thousand percent, which is also when you're thinking
about the team dynamic, you tend to avoid doing personal things that affect the group, right?
Like, so here's the weird thing about comedy, right?
Is that you get into the business because, you know, it's a free speech thing,
But you can find yourself putting yourself in a position where you're not saying

(30:58):
certain things because you're not trying to, you know,
ruffle any feathers or razzle-dazzle anybody,
et cetera, et cetera. But, you know.
I feel that that's where the challenge is, is that, no, you got to find a way
to say what you're trying to say.
Just your problem is your choice of words at that moment.

(31:19):
You're avoiding the challenge that comes with creating something that comes with that. Yeah.
And, and nah, it's not about not say that it's say that you just got to find,
you just got to find your way to say that.
And, like, for example, and shout out to Mario Hodge, because he posted something
about this the other day.

(31:40):
He was talking about how when Black comics, like, go extra hard in front of
white people, like, and then you get just, like, nigga, nigga,
nigga, all in front of white people, and it's down to third.
And then, like, that's annoying.
And then I've also seen Black people pump fake in front of the white people,
because they, like, like, now, all of a sudden, you don't want to do it.

(32:00):
You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what you've been doing.
So now you get to the point where now it's time and now you pump faking.
So in my opinion, I feel that's the comedy grind, right?
Is you learn how to be yourself in all environments or you avoid the challenge
because in every different open mic and in every different comedy book and it

(32:22):
has its own set of challenges.
So what most comics end up doing is you fall into your comfort zone and you
only go to like these type of rooms that have this type of environment or that
type of environment where the challenge is being to go anywhere and do your thing. So.
The benefit of being in a group is that that group will normally put you in

(32:47):
places where, as an individual, you might not have been able to get to.
So working with the mics, like, we did a show, Jesus Christ,
it was in the middle of nowhere up north, like, past Auburn or something.
It was a theater show. I want to say we only had, like, 20 people or some shit
that showed up, but we still did it, and they breaded us out.

(33:08):
It was a pretty good payday. Shout out to wherever that place was.
And but it was all you know all white people
we're in the middle of nowhere and just i've never
felt the need to tailor my comedy to any individual
crowd like yeah as a comic you might in the
flow of it create some things you know

(33:28):
but i'm not pulling back on nothing like
i've i've crafted this in a way that it should
work everywhere and and that comes from being
in a group where you know different because
when you're in a group everybody is supposed to be
helping with the bookings so the people that
might like a buddy that make that call for the booking

(33:51):
might not have been somebody that would have been fucking with me you
know i'm saying but now i gotta make sure that in a
group dynamic i'm not throwing this whole thing off yeah and
then also you don't want to become like the guy
you know i'm saying like i'm not trying to be the black guy
yeah in in the group like i'm not trying to be the weed guy like oh when he
comes up here we go you know so and that's what the that's what the journey

(34:17):
with your writing is that you know which again if you want to be the guy that's
your thing like i i don't knock it but i've always looked at,
developing the craft so wherever i go i can do this yeah and i'm not gonna and i'm not,
watering it down nor am i blackening it up you know what i'm saying like.

(34:41):
Like i'm a nigga 24 7 so being a nigga
around some niggas i ain't nothing new and so it's not
like i'm uncomfortable or being watered down about it just like when i'm in
situations where there's not a lot of niggas like it's not like all of a sudden
i don't know how to conduct myself or use a vocabulary that these people can't
relate to or if i feel like like, niggin' it up in front of these people. Like, whatever.

(35:07):
No, I remember talking about just, like, just going to different rooms and just
being funny, funny, funny, funny. Like, going back to Andre Bailey.
Like, the first time I went to touch a class, I did all right.
But, yeah, Andre Bailey, he just pulled me to the side. He's like,
yo, bro, just people is people.
He's like, just make him laugh and shit. At the end of the day,
just make him fucking laugh and shit, bro. Yeah. Like, that's...

(35:31):
See, people don't get it. And when I do interviews like this,
like I always try to point to this out, like,
doing like black audiences have a higher
standard for comedy than most crowds
because most black people only relate
comedy to their favorite comedian
and in most cases black people are literally comparing you to a fucking legend

(35:55):
you know what i'm saying like their favorite is a kevin hart or like bernie
mack dave chapelle dion cole like they're literally comparing you to to somebody
who in their field, they're the fucking shit.
And here you are, somebody I've never saw before. I had to pay $20 to get in this bitch. Nigga, go.

(36:17):
Like, I ain't trying to see all the dancing and all that. Nigga,
I dance better than that.
Nigga, I got that outfit. Like, you know what I'm saying?
So, like, in general, like, black out and then, you know, black people in general,
they got to work harder to get their money.
And all the stuff we deal with is just being black. So, like,
there's that part of it. So when it comes to now, I'm supposed to just give
you some laughs, nigga. Like, nah, nigga, you got to get this.

(36:41):
Ain't no ain't no giveaway laughs in a black audience.
Like, you got to bring that. You got to bring that work. Well,
but again, when you look at it from that perspective, right?
Because I'm a fan of comedy. I've been to comedy shows like before I was doing
comedy, like, bro, I'm judging you to the highest scale, whereas anybody else,

(37:03):
I'm not doing that with them.
So literally my bar for them is lower. And in my experience,
and this is no disrespect to white crowds or anything like that,
but just they're sometimes you're going to deal with audiences that their only
engagement with a black person is coming to see their favorite performers.

(37:24):
So that's his, this is literally their moment where they can say they have a
black friend, you know what I'm saying?
So when you look at it from that perspective, the bar is a bit lower.
They've never, they've never saw that dance, you know, they don't, they don't.
They're trying to put together, like, what does it mean? Like,

(37:44):
does the shirt mean something? Does the pants mean something?
There's a deeper meaning.
Yeah, like, everything is deeper when just, like, nah, bro, these are just dance.
Yeah, this is just, this was the outfit I put on all the way here.
Like, it's not that deep. Whereas with, you know, with black people,
nigga, I got all that, nigga. And mine is better.

(38:05):
So, there's that. that but i i love it like which
is why a great show gives you a good
mix of everybody you you got people that have
high standards of comedy you have people that are that might be easier to entertain
so that's what makes a good crowd how do you take that approach and apply it
to when you're doing the say loud comedy well let's go back to like how the

(38:27):
say loud comedy show even and like got started. Aha, I bet.
So shout out to Jennifer Canfield, owner of Jennifer Canfield and her family,
Laura and Skip, owners of Laughs Unlimited.
So rest in peace to TV Entertainment, my homegirl, Tavena Crocker.

(38:48):
So my homegirl, Tavena, she had a brother that was trying to do comedy.
God, why can I not think of his name? I'm forgetting so many people's names, bro. That's so trash.
But her brother was trying to do comedy. And I had already kind of had my foot in the game.
So she put her first show together at Tommy T's. So we did a show at Tommy T's out there.

(39:12):
Show was a success, packed out the whole nine.
So fast forward to she wants to do it again at Labs Unlimited.
So, excuse me, she invites me to have a mixer.
With the owner with the owner so like they're having drinks etc etc so we get
to meet the owner to tvs kind of telling her about how she wants the show to

(39:34):
run etc etc introduce me i'll be the host first time i make jennifer you know
etc etc show date is on the date that the show's on so boom,
on the day of the show the show starts at eight i get to laughs at like seven
though like i get to laugh something limited at like seven o'clock and when
i get there like the club is like kind And like, I don't really see anybody.

(39:57):
So just, I walk in and I just kind of sit down.
I got my material, just kind of writing.
And then Jen walks in and I remember her from the mixer. And I'm like,
hey, excuse me. I was like, I'm sorry.
You remember me i'll be the host for
tonight and she's like yeah and i was like so curious
like is there any like drink specials or any

(40:17):
like announcements you want me to make while i'm on on on
stage and she like double looks
at me and she's like are you serious and i
was like yeah and she
was like she she was like you might be my
favorite host and you and you you don't even even fucking work
here and i'm still and then you know

(40:38):
jen like she's real sarcastic like she's tall
like she's thick so like this whole conversation i'm just kind of like i'm like
am i fucking up right now i was like am i in trouble like i feel like i feel
like i'm doing the good thing right here right so she's she's like she's like
yeah actually you know there's There's a show coming up, blah,
blah, blah, blah. So I get that.

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And so shout out to TV. We do the show.
Show goes well. I have a great set. At the end of the night,
she books me to host at the club.
Not that weekend, but for a future date.
So that was when I got my first weekend at Labs.
So the Say About Comedy show comes about when I had brought a cat.

(41:23):
I brought a cat. Shout out to Steve Fury. I was working at Laughs and I brought
Steve Fury to do a guest set at Laughs Unlimited because I was telling him,
I was like, bro, I'm hosting and I think that I could get you in.
You know what I'm saying? I'm doing pretty well. So I just come up and do a guest set.
So he comes, does a guest set, fucking kills it.

(41:46):
Steve Fury, funny comic, you know what I'm saying, does his thing. Still doing his thing.
So he kills it. Jen books him.
Couple months later down the line me and her having a like conversation after
like a comedy competition And she's talking about how like some of the competitions
don't produce people that work at the club She's like I've been doing these

(42:08):
competitions and just sometimes people win the competition,
but they don't fit the weekend club setting and.
She was like and then sometimes comics you you guys refer your friends Which
I get it like if you're working at a club Why not hook your, your friends up?
And she was saying that, but the problem is that you guys lose credibility with

(42:29):
me when you book people, when you send me people that aren't funny and like,
but that's your, your, your, your friend.
But at the same time, it changes my opinion on your opinion of funny because
you sent me somebody who's not funny.
So now I can't necessarily trust the referral. referral.
So like, as we're kicking around, she just kind of spit, spit balling the idea.

(42:52):
And I was like, well, what if I had a comedy show that was for people that didn't
work at that was specifically for people that didn't work at the club,
but it wasn't like a competition.
It was more or less like an audition show.
And she was like, all right. She was like, sure. I'll give you a date,
blah, blah, blah. She gives me a date nights over. I go home.
She calls me the next morning and is like, your idea kept me up.

(43:15):
And she was like, Cause I feel like you would really have something that,
that could work if you just, if you could, like, if you were open to some things
that I won't want to talk to you about.
So, bro, we had about a two hour conversation about from a club owner's perspective,
like what it takes to be successful, like what, what on their end they need
to see as far as revenue turnout, et cetera, et cetera.

(43:39):
Marketing ideas, blah, blah, blah. So I get off the phone with her,
call Mikey Winfield. Shout out to Mikey Winfield. Oh, yeah.
Another comedy OG big bro.
So I call Mikey and I tell Mikey, I'm like, hey, bro, like Jen's letting me do a show.
Like, what should I do to make this like show pop?

(44:01):
And Mikey's like, that's dope.
He's like, that's dope. He's like, congratulations, bro. So then literally I
get another two hour conversation where Mikey is literally just giving me the business.
Mikey's like, bro, you got to understand that everything is a representation of you.
If the toilets don't work, that's a representation of you because it was Mike's

(44:24):
show that we went to and the toilets didn't work.
If the comics are making rape jokes nigga
that was your show where they were making those creepy jokes
excuse me if the flyer's trash it's your like it's your flyer that's trash so
mike taught me that everything about the show is a representation of you and
you have to think about that when you're putting it out there and not only that

(44:48):
he's he mentioned how nine times times out of 10,
I'm going to be doing a show where the people aren't going to know the comics that I have on the show.
So to get around that, I had to have something that was giving back to the crowd,
like something that made them feel like they were getting something out of going
to the show to see some comics that they've never, never heard.

(45:12):
Before. Yeah. So like Mikey was telling me all, all that and just like,
so boom, get off the phone.
With Mikey and then it was just like to the drawing board. So like I was coming
up with a bunch of different ideas, but prior to getting the show at laughs,
shout out to Terrence and.

(45:33):
Man, Brother Given. They had an open mic that I won, and I became the host,
and I was hosting it in downtown Sac, in Tropicana.
I think that's what it was called, whatever.
So prior to that, I was doing an open mic comedy competition.
Saul Trujillo won the competition at that one that I had. Shout out to Saul. Oh, yeah.

(45:55):
So fast forward to, I get the show at laughs.
Howard is already making my flyers because we were doing that thing.
And so I was trying to think of a name for the comedy show and just,
you know, different things kept coming to me.
And then just, I had had an interesting set a couple of weeks prior to that with another comic.

(46:18):
And like in this particular situation, we were doing a show in Folsom and we were smoking a blunt.
And this nigga was talking to me about how he felt like he should have known
that the show was going to be kind of weird because I was on the show and I
was like trying to get where the nigga was going with what he was saying.

(46:38):
And he just said that I wasn't a black comic. This nigga saying this shit took him out of you.
And he was just saying, well, like, you're not like a black comic.
I was thinking to myself, I'm looking at this nigga. I'm like,
nigga, I'm going to hit you in your face right now.
But so we're smoking and whatever and I'm just listening to what he's saying and just,
long story short that particular night I had a better set than him and he had

(47:00):
to follow it and that particular night he had a rough night,
so at that particular time I'm thinking of a name for the comedy show I'm like
trying to think of something so like James Brown starts playing like randomly
it was when the James Brown movie was out and so it was just say it loud I'm
back and I'm proud say it loud.

(47:20):
And I was just like, boom, like say it loud.
So in essence, it's say it loud. I'm black. I'm proud. Yeah.
But just say it out. So it was subtle.
I said, niggas, welcome. Say it loud.
And so I was, to this date, it was going on 11 years ago. My first show,

(47:43):
Marcus Miles, Cheryl the Soccer Mom, Anderson.
Oh, God, Cheryl the Soccer Mom. Carlos Rodriguez.
Mars Parker. Shout out to Mars Parker. It was on my first ever Say It Loud comedy show.
And yeah, my first show was in August, and we was on and popping.
And so, yeah, the first comedians that were to ever get booked at Loud's Unlimited

(48:08):
for a paid weekend is Chris Riggins.
Chris Riggins, Des Henderson, and Eric Murphy were on the third ever Say It
Loud comedy show that I ever had.
And all three of them got passed on that show.
And Chris Riggins is still doing comedy. I'm not sure. Des, shout out to Des.

(48:30):
I'm not sure what Eric Murphy's still doing right now, but anybody who's ever
saw Chris Riggins, he's a beast and just...
Every time i see chris's success like to me i'm i'm
like it's not it's nothing new to me because like
i've i've known since i saw the guy like nah chris is
a beast like chris riggins is a monster so shout

(48:50):
out to chris like for real for real no yeah me and chris was in a actually we
was in a movie together no last year about the year before stuff like that it
was funny it was a movie about like stand-up comedy that's right that's right
i was just playing myself just performing comedy that he's up like he roasts
me a little bit like that but he was playing the host of the
of the comedy competition. Shout out. Yeah.

(49:10):
Hey, shout out to the gang, man. Shout out to Chris Riggins, man. Yeah. Yeah.
Just talk to him. I say, yeah, Chris do early big things. That was,
that's what's up. Good to see. I don't care.
Like I'm, I'm telling him all like every chance I get, if he's available,
I try to have him when I do the anniversary show in August.

(49:30):
Like I, I always try to have him be the headliner because number one,
I feel like without him, I wouldn't have had the show that I had because he
was literally the first one Jen ever picked from a sale-out comedy show was Chris Riggins.
So, like, and the whole point of my show was to help comics get paid weekends.

(49:51):
So just, like, I don't want to, just, yeah. Like, I just, yeah.
Every time Chris does something, it's not a surprise to me.
It's literally like, bro, you been that guy.
And, like, ever since I first saw it, And just like, I'm happy to see more people
see the talent that he has.

(50:12):
Cause yeah. Like, so anytime I get the anniversary show and,
and if he's available to headline, he's always who I got closing it.
And then not only that, not only is he part of the success of the show,
like he's a beast. So, like, every time he's coming, like, it's not like you're
gonna get the same jokes.

(50:32):
He got a whole new get-down, and it's always fire. So, shout-out to the guy.
Well, yeah, shout-out to Chris. And so...
You've been doing it for how long again? What was it? You said by like 11 years or 2006, bro. Yeah.
18 years, 18 years. Yes, sir. So that's like one of the, like one of the longest
running like comedy shows.

(50:54):
Oh no. The sale out comedy show is going on. This year will be,
this year will be 11 years.
Yeah. So I mean, yeah, but still, yeah, that's still one of the longest running
comedy shows just around the Sacramento that I can remember. Yeah. Yeah.
Touch of Class has been the only thing that's been going longer than the Say It Loud comedy show.
Yeah, Touch of Class is the institution, though. That's where it teaches.

(51:16):
Every comedian I've had on this show, it always comes back to just the Touch of Class.
It's just the type of institution that it is for comedians.
Man, bro, let me tell you about the Touch of Class, man. Shout out to B.T. Kingley, man.
B.T. Kingley was the first ever creator of the Grown and Sexy Comedy Night.
And like man when bt was

(51:39):
the host let me tell you it was you know
that prime documentary where they were talking about how lit
it was at the little chocolate sundaes or whatever they were
doing thing bro bt had that popping in
sack like literally the touch of
class would be like 100 plus every sunday
bad ones homie like some of the

(51:59):
baddest females you done ever seen like in and like
everybody like it was literally like grown and
sexy like you had to come fitted like what no coming like
how some people just come to roll to the cut like nah bruh not
on that night like you fuck around and not be dressed right
like you you don't even want to get on stage because everybody looking so
bt would have that thing popping

(52:21):
like this 2006 seven ish like
and bt was like bt kingsley
was the nigga like for real for real like he
had that thing popping and so like not only
that bt's a beast so he was on stage dropping fire and then bringing niggas
up so fuck around and not be even if you couldn't ride the wave and you got

(52:46):
drowned shout out to dj rip one them niggas were dropping bombs when you you
was on stage and be like Like,
niggas started bombing you while you was on there. Oh, man.
Niggas would turn your mic off and have a nigga come get you. Bruh, it was real life.
Night at the Apollo, like, nigga, you get roasted.

(53:06):
And then not only that, BT gonna get on stage and then get on you for bombing.
And then he might do another five, ten minutes of nigga super duper fire and
then bring the next nigga up. So, like, bruh.
So, literally, all night, you could fuck around and, like, I done seen cats
be like, nah, I ain't going up. I ain't going up.

(53:27):
I've went there on nights and seen stuff and been like, nah,
I don't feel like I got the glow tonight.
So i didn't see plenty of cat turned fade down
so you know what i'm saying when it came to the to the touch back
then and then andre bailey became
the host and kept it going and then

(53:47):
at that time that's when tristan started nutty monday shout out to
tristan johnson and then yeah man like
i'm like back in my early grinding days like to touch a class on sunday and
then when trist started nutty mondays like bro literally sunday monday you had
to bring your a game brother like you had to bring your a game and not just
a game as far as comedy you better be dressed right or you're gonna get your

(54:09):
feelings hurt because they're gonna talk about your outfit too,
it was it was black comedy but we we talking about ashy fingers i'm talking
about last year's fits like oh yeah bro you was getting it and but it was all
it was all love man it was all love so So, like, you looked forward to it, bro.
Like, you looked forward to it. You know you was going to get,

(54:32):
you know you was going to become, like, it's just going to make you a better comedian. Heck, yeah.
It was. But just not only that, like, bro, like, Cats was coming through.
Like, when, like, the Rodney Perrys, the, the, the, the.
Like, all of the people, like, before they became big, like,
Tiffany Haddish, like, niggas was coming through there to the touch.

(54:52):
Like, BT was bringing people, like, you know what I'm saying?
So, like, it was a bunch of little, like, big name, like, people that are big
names now that slid through to the touch.
Like, hell, BT was instrumental in having the whole Kevin Hart,
Heart of the City thing at the touch of class when that thing happened.
And so, you know, like BT put on for the city and he did all of it at the Touch of Class.

(55:18):
So a lot of things that are still going now, he was the foundation for that.
So even when I got my chance to host the Touch of Class, like shot out to Beltroy,
Tia, the whole Touch of Class family.
You know what I'm saying? Like when I had my opportunity to host,
I did my best to try to bring back the BT style.

(55:39):
All like i was clowning niggas like
if niggas wasn't funny i was talking about them like it was
like yeah so yeah i was a little aggressive with
my well in today's comedy environment what i
was doing was a little aggressive but at the end of the day like if you're a
comic you you get it like i'm having fun with you i'm not belittling you i'm

(56:00):
not bullying you it's all these are just chucks so and that was a comedy environment
i grew up in so shout out to sean p like i grew up with, are you sure you can follow him?
Like, I don't know, bro. I mean, you've been lucky lately.
I've done it to you.
Shit. I do it to Javon all the time. No matter where we go, I'm like,

(56:25):
bruh. I'm like, I don't know, my nigga.
No, bruh, you've been lucky lately.
He'd be like, alright, nigga. So yeah, shout out to the gang,
man. Yeah, and one thing I did notice, because like BT, he's out there in LA,
he's hosted like Chocolate Sundays.
And there is something that I noticed just like, because I went down to LA last
year. And he's in the Sprite commercial. In the Sprite commercial, yeah.

(56:49):
But there's just something about like, I don't know, like there's like something
in the waters out here, like, especially like you said, during that time,
that just bred a lot of beast.
A lot of beast that like came for that period of time. Because like,
not even like just for a period, but like.
And in SAC, you're talking in like the Bay Area, you're talking like,
you know, Mario Hodges. We're talking about like, you know, the Rico,

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the Grays. We're talking about the Reginas.
We're talking about, like you say, Tristan. We're talking about Lance Woods.
We're talking about Mikey Winfields. All these comedians that Carlos Rodriguez,
all these comedians that are something about, there's something about out here that just.
Anthony K. Anthony K. Like all these things that you're talking about,
just how the way the times were, you could just definitely see. Insane wings.
Insane wings. But yeah, you see just how a bunch of like there's a there's a

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strong community of comedians.
I like my father is really out here. Just fucking funny.
Yeah, I actually got I got that one time when I was in.
I did a show in Denver and one of the cats I did a show with.
He was I did the show. I had a guy fucking killed it that night, too.
And afterwards he was like, so Sacramento.

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He was like, yeah, he was like, do you know Lance? So I was like,
yeah, I know Lance. And he was like, yeah.
He was like, wait. He was like, there's another guy out of there.
I was like, Kyrie Shabazz. And he was like.
Kyrie's the other one too, yeah. He was like, Kyrie's from SAC?
I was like, yeah. He was like, no. But he was like, he has an afro.
And I was like, Mikey Winfield.
And he was like, yeah. He was like, yeah. He was like, man.

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He was like, you Sacramento guys are pretty good. And I was like, damn.
I was like, that nigga, that's a murderer's row right there.
They're Mikey, Lance, Kyrie, like, yeah, man, yeah.
Happy to be mentioned in any time those three get mentioned because,
like, we all have the people that we're chasing.
So, like, in terms of, like, my Sacramento icons or people, like,

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I look up to, Lance, well, Mikey Winfield, well, in no particular order,
Mikey Winfield, Lance, with Kyrie, Shabazz, because, like, they doing it.
They doing it, doing it. Shout out to all three of those guys.
It's definitely the Sacramento Kings for sure right there. For sure, for sure.
But then even the, cause she said like they had kept it hard for a bit,
the heart of the city out here, the touch of class.

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But there's just, I don't know. Oh, and shout out to, you know,
I can't say Lance and not say Tony Roberts.
Like, man, shit, shout out to Tony Roberts, one of the greatest motherfuckers
to ever get on the stage. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Like, yeah, Tony Roberts, legend. Make sure you see Tony Roberts live.
Shit, I'm not, let me not fucking, yeah.
Monster. Sorry. Sorry. I looked right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Since we mentioning people, yeah. Tony Roberts, beast.
Yeah. No, it's definitely, like I said, we're definitely fortunate.
And sometimes, say, the one, like, we was talking about, like,
applying, like, putting that work and stuff like that.
Like, one of the things that I think that I took away, like,
not taking advantage of is just understanding the fact that we are lucky to
be the president of so many communities where we could just soak up the type of game to where,

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like, going back to how you were saying to me, like, with the Mike Epps situation,
like, this is the person who, like, clicked, right?
Like, oh, this made me want to do it. Like, we got them in abundance out here
compared to, like, other, unless you're talking about L.A., New York.
Okay, Ben. On that note, since we're talking about soccer mental work ethic,
the three people I mentioned, right, Kyrie, Lance,

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and Mikey Winfield, as a person who has like saw their arc, right,
saw when they were, you know, doing the regular open mics like the rest of like all comics.
And then like now they're on tours, they're in theaters, they're in arenas,
they're in movies, they're, you know what I'm saying?
Opening for big names and are big names within themselves.

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So like, people don't know this, like, unless you saw it.
I've saw Lance Woods stand by the door at the end of the night and take everybody's
cell phone and ask them to follow him on Instagram.
Like every show, every open mic, Lance would be right there at the end of the

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night, taking people's phones, typing it in, follow me, follow me,
follow me, follow me, follow me, boom, follow me, follow me, boom, boom, boom.
So like that type
of dedication and you see where a person's success
is like bro like i saw lance do
that with my own eyes and i used to be a be i'd be
like nigga i am not doing that like that is fucking crazy like you're gonna

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fucking like and just to see where he's at with his followers and with his grind
and his ability to pack out shows like bro discipline and that's something you
can learn from mikey winfield every Every time Mikey Winfield comes out to an open mic,
Mikey Winfield has a notepad and a pencil and a pen.
And Mikey Winfield is literally writing until the time he gets to,

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until he gets to, to the stage, he is writing, writing, writing, writing, writing.
He'll entertain you, be polite, the whole shit. And then he's going to get right
back into his groove of writing.
And then he's going to get on stage and he's going to perform some of the most.
Master crafted comedy you are ever going to fucking see.

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Like I say it all the time. Like Mikey Winfield is a fucking,
he's like a comedy sensei because it's going to be, you never know where it's
going to go, but it's going to be funny because Mikey can get gutter.
He can get like, he can get clean, like just everything about Mikey's style is just perfection.

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So, and just to see somebody who, even when I first started doing comedy,
he had already he had had a certain level of
success like one time me and javon were in vegas and
we just randomly saw mikey winfield on a
fucking on one of the marquees on a vegas on
one of them vegas casino things and we're like oh he's really that nigga like

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like what the like damn like and just you would never know because he's so polite
he's so cordial he's so respectful so just like Like,
to see his grind and see his success,
it's one of them things where, like, bro, when you see it up close, you're not surprised.
Like, y'all are late to the party. Like, some of us have seen it firsthand.

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Kyrie Shabazz, like, man, his writing is fucking crazy. Crazy.
And like, I remember there was a time and this is no knock,
but just there was a time where people were saying that they felt he was a joke
thief because he was doing, you know, how you can remix a joke or just your
perspective on a joke is, is the same as something. Like if,

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if you're making a fat joke, right.
Some of what you're going to touch on, somebody's heard before,
but just, you might've, you might've got to the same destination,
just took a different route.
Right. So like at that time, he was getting hit with that, man,
his fucking writing now you would never, you would never in your life confuse

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him for being somebody else.
And his writing is so fucking phenomenal.
If you've ever gone to like, watch his, go to his Instagram page and watch his clips.
Like, bro, them jokes are, are mastercrafted. Like for real,
for real. So again, sensei cut on the shit.
Same thing with Lance.

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Like these dudes are masterful with those words. Like.
And I'm not knocking nobody who I may not be mentioning, because I know how niggas get in a feeling.
But I'm just saying that as far as people who are from Sacramento,
people that rep Sacramento or are from Sacramento, like in terms of the success
that they have being a guy from Sacramento, those are the three people that I'm like, all right,

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that's the beaten path that you're trying to follow.
Yeah, definitely would say, like, let's say going back to how you're saying
with starting up Say It Loud, giving comedians opportunities and stuff like that.
That's the same type, like the work ethic that you put to that,
like you even took Say It Loud show out to Vegas.

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Doing shit out in Vegas.
Yes. Once upon a time, the Say It Loud comedy show was in Vegas,
but it was called, oh God, what do we call it?
It was called Comedy Night at the Chocolate Lounge. but it was basically a co-production
of the sail out comedy show shout out to cynthia stager.
So the way the vegas thing came about was speaking of bunsen bullshit the little

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live podcast we were doing we had a guy that used to regularly watch the show
he was out in nevada he worked out a bar his bar had had a comedy night so he
invited me and javon out there to do the comedy night,
we met the host of the comedy, Manfred Haim. Shout out to Manfred Haim.
And so Manfred was telling us that he had a show in Vegas that since we were

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doing the show Monday, we could follow it up and do the show Wednesday.
So we were like, all right, bet. So we do the show at the bar,
had a good time, had a great set.
At the end of the night, we met Cynthia and come
to to find out she had you know she had dibbled and dabbled and
watched blunts and bullshit here and and there so you

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know she was like oh yeah i'm happy to finally meet you like me i
meet i meet meet you guys the comedy being there she was
like our our turnout is hitting this some sometimes but she was like you guys
will be paid regardless so we're like cool so we we we get there and we get
So the show's at the candy factory on the Vegas Strip, it was at the candy factory.

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And upstairs from the candy factory is a room called the Chocolate Lounge.
So like they would do the show up there.
So when we got there, Manfred told us that like, we could get anything on the
menu half off. And he said that.
It's the same menu as what they have downstairs, but since we're ordering it

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upstairs with the comedy show, everything was half off. So we're like, all right, fuck it, bet.
So, like, we get there, and he's like, he starts, like, he pulls us to the side,
and he's like, dude, we haven't had a turnout in, like, a long time.
He's like, like, it's kind of hit and miss, but y'all are paid regardless.

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So, nigga, me and Javon is like, nigga, I ain't come all the way to Vegas to
not do the show, nigga. Like, fuck that.
So just mind you were on the Vegas strip, like we're in front of the Bellagio,
what's the Bellagio and the Vito or Vito, whatever it is.
And then like, there's a mall behind us. So like he goes upstairs, I go downstairs.

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We just start grabbing people like, Hey, we're about to do a comedy show upstairs.
It's free, yada, yada, yada. nigga i literally go
into the candy factory and i'm like hey look everything y'all
paying for right here like if y'all go upstairs y'all can get that
for half off and it's and you get comedy show
and they're like for real i was like yeah i was like they ain't they ain't gonna

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tell you i was like but just y'all could take that upstairs and you know what
i'm saying you ain't gotta pay the full price and then like one of the chicks
was like well who's on i was like i'm performing and my boy.
And then her partner was like, fuck who's performing.
If it's half off, we're going.
So she takes him upstairs. Boom. I go upstairs.

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Javon is recruiting people, got people coming in.
So, wow. We get about 15, 20 people up in that G thing.
We get the show going. They get the show popping. Javon kill it. I kill it.
So at the end of the night, Cynthia comes up to me and, and like,
I'm, I'm telling business out.
I'm personally, but whatever, this is how the show came about.

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So she comes up to me and she's like, can, can I talk to you guys after the show?
And we're like, all right, cool. Yes. And you know, we're thinking we're about
to get, well, about to pay us. And so like, yeah, cool. So.
So she pulled me to the side and she's like, look, she's like,
we've been doing the show now for about a month and a half.
And she was like, this is the biggest turnout we've ever had.

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She was like, and she was like, I'm not even sure. Like, she was like watching what you guys did.
She was like, she was like, I've literally been trying to ask him to do that as the host.
And he just hasn't been doing it. She's like, and I'm not even sure why.
She's like, you, you, you, you guys don't even live out here.
And you guys were able to, to what she was like, round up like 20,

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30 people in like, what, 15 minutes.
And she was like, she was like, so I say all that to say, like,
how would you feel about, about running the show?
And I'm just like, lady, we live in Sacramento.
Like, how the fuck am I going to run a show in Vegas? But I'm a nigga.
So never know. Always. Yes.

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I was like, am I a nigga? I was like, I was like, I don't know.
Like if we're going to be coming all the way back and forth,
like we're probably gonna have to have more, more money.
Like, I don't know if like the budget that we have right now would cover it back and forth.
So she's like, all right, what if I, and then she threw out a higher number
and she was like, what if I could get you?
She's like, I can try to get you guys this. She's like, but I can for sure get this.

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She was like, but I can try to kick it up and, and, and, and,
and try to get it. Would you guys be interested in doing it?
I was like, nigga, yeah. Like, answer it all, always, yes. So, yeah, we said yes, boom.
So now, at this particular time, we're doing Blessing Bullshit,
Monday through Friday, the podcast.
We had the Say It Loud comedy show on Thursday. We were also,

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at this time, doing the Say It Loud Sunday show at Monty's Lounge in Rancho,
excuse me, which was an open mic.
Like, shout out to everybody at Monty's Lounge.
I hate the fact that I'm forgetting motherfuckers' names right now.
Because my guy with the glasses, big beard, that's my nigga, ran the whole thing.

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And gave me a great opportunity. That was one of the ones where,
like, the work ethic was there. Just we couldn't get the result right.
But just thankful for every opportunity that I'll get.
But we were doing the sale out Sundays. We had the Sailout Comedy Show on Thursday.
We were doing the Sailout Sunday every first and third Sunday.

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The Sailout Comedy Show is the third Thursday of the month. And we were doing
the Vegas show every second and fourth Wednesday.
So we were literally going to Vegas twice a month from Sacramento and we were
running the show in Las Vegas.
And we were booking people like the whole nine. Shout out to Chris Sosa.

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Shout out to Kenesha Buss. Shout out to Saul Trujillo, shout out to you, buddy did the show.
Shout out to DJ Soulja.
Shout out to Tay Livingston. Shout out to Big Tay. Tay pulled up.
Melvin Washington and a bunch of other people that came up. Sean Grady.
So just, yeah, we had the Vegas comedy show, bro.

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It's something that when I think about it now, I didn't put the energy into it.
Well, not energy, but just I don't think I celebrated that success as well as
I should have looking back on it now. Cause yeah, we were living,
me and Javon were living in Sacramento and we were running a show on the Vegas strip and yeah.
And like, we literally had that thing going for about two, three, three months, I think.

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Like we, we had it going and then just, you know, the money we couldn't,
it wasn't balancing out.
And then just you know we was broke
trying to make it happen but just in hindsight wasn't no
trying cause niggas was out there every other week and yeah
slept in cars slept in the train station like

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sometimes got a room like yeah bro the grind was real like we was out there
Vegas trip shout out to the guy for real for real and yeah some might think
that story's a bit shady but yeah whatever like what was I supposed to do no
no No, we all go through that. We all...

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You got to take those opportunities on our journey just because,
like, that's what you're going to learn from. Like you say, you don't say yes.
I mean, you don't say no. You say yes, you know, just to see what could happen
because you're going to take away something that you could learn from it because you.
Nigga, you don't remember, bro, we literally spent the night in that man's house.
I remember that. I remember that.
No, I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that drive.

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I remember all that shit.
We spent the night in the nigga's house, bro. I remember we were driving. All three of us.
I remember i drove the whole way in there but then the one time i like i get
out the car that we just popped the tire in the back i was like oh oh yeah we
got the flat on the freeway bro.
Yeah that's what i'm saying bro talk about it man no he is no we was i know

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i know exactly what you're saying bro like that grinded asshole but you take
advantage of the opportunity because,
fucking buddy's like you never know when he's stepping over over this
story i i i ain't gonna gonna let let him do
it nah buddy a humble motherfucker i'm not gonna put fuck all
that we were driving all the way to vegas yes
buddy was the driver the whole time remember when we seen the carrots
i was about to say all the fucking carrots on the road like look

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at all these fucking carrots bro so like we're
on the freeway and like a carrot truck
like tips over random truck random
carrot truck so like literally bro the freeway
is stacked about as high as
a fucking second grader of carrots literally
like cars are running over there is

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the rose was orange all orange like because there's
carrot like we're literally having to drive slow so that
we can smash the carrots or just we're already driving over the carrots that
were already smashed and like there was literally people like scuffs like piles
of carrots pushed off to the the aside the carrots It's tipped over and when

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we were on our way to Vegas, literally,
fucking the back tire popped.
And and literally buddy like down the hill like going downhill yeah yeah so
we literally had to we had to get off into the lane and like i ended up walking
down the freeway to like block and show that we were changing the tire because

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it was him him and javon like yeah bro we was,
thugging out there on on the side of the road we we had to put the spare on
like we either doing in the show, we was asking for tips just to pay for a new
fucking tire, just to get back.
You know, speak hard.
All right, so, fuck it. You know what? If people are going to watch that thing,

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let's give them some free game.
So, if you're ever on the road, this is my heads up.
This is my tip to help run your bag up. It's not...
It's actually polite to ask for a tip when you're performing when you're on the road.
So when you're on the road, ask for it. Be like, hey, we're on the road.

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We're here from Sacramento.
Just if you guys enjoyed the show, hey, go ahead and leave us a tip.
If you're interested, we'll pass a hat around, you know, whatever you can give, you know, da, da, da.
If you're really good at a sob story, you know, if you want to tell a true one,
tell a true one. If you want to, you know, paint outside the lines,
hey, it's your paintbrush.

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So you know there it is there because yes yes
the hell we did and yes we
we got an extra tire we got a room we had extra
food on top of what we got paid to do the gig so get paid young nigga get paid
yeah out there thugging man for real buddy was out there matter of fact we i
still got the picture of all of

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us in front of the vegas line me you and javon oh yep yes sir yes sir Uh,
and then outside of even just like the, the, the Vegas shows,
like, cause like we, if we're talking about like work and things like that,
you, you do do a lot of producing and things like that. Producing a lot of shows,
a lot of shows you're always.
Even like with the weed show. Right.

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Smoking jokes. Smoking jokes. You were doing a show. Were you doing a show before smoking jokes?
No. A weed show? Nah. We were just. Nah.
Like I had did like shows where like. Oh, nah.
I want to say. No. Yes. Yes. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, that's.
You're right. Yes, we did.

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We had did cannabis and comedy. Yeah. Cannabis and comedy. That wasn't me, Javon.
Shout out to King Life, me, Javon, King Life, and some other little weed vendors, Corey Calvert, Amy.
We were putting together like weed and comedy shows where you could like smoke weed after the show.

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There were vendors there so you could get your cannabis needs and whatnot,
as well as enjoy live comedy.
Fast forward we we did a couple shows it was hit and miss fast forward to the
pandemic the pandemic happened the whole world was shut down and one of the
guys who was putting on private,

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like cannabis pop-up shows he had we had toyed with the idea of collaborating
to do like a cannabis and comedy show and just you know we had just it was something
we just kind of kept bullshitting with each other like yeah i'll talk to you
about it i'll talk to you about it you know and see us in passing.
Then the fucking pandemic happened and we was like, he was like,
so you don't want to do it? I was like, fuck yeah, I'm tired of being inside
my house. Like, I'm ready to do comedy wherever.

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Excuse me. So, he, seeing as he had the pop-up venue, he was seeing a healthy turnout of, of people.
So on his end, he would market the show and I would book the,
the lineup, put the comedy together.
Boom. So, when we started doing the first one, it was called the Smoking Joke

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Show. It was smoking jokes.
During the pandemic, we were actually doing two shows. When it first started,
we were doing an early show at 7.30, and then we were doing a late show at 9.30.
But weed heads, that 7.30 show would always start at like 8,
and then the 9.30 show would fucking around start at like 10 or 11.
Or no, I want to say we started off doing it at 9 and 11.30.

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Because we were doing an early show and a late show. But then we started doing the early show earlier.
But when we first started doing it, we were doing two shows a night every other Friday.
Every second and fourth Friday, we were doing that Smoking Dork show,
which was, yeah, we was getting a nice little turnout. It was comedy and cannabis.
And just basically, you know, for people that indulge in cannabis,

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you can smoke and enjoy the live show.
Put on some great comics, too. Even put on people that you might not have expected
to see in that type of an environment.
They were on the flyer, so I guess, you know.
Yeah, I guess they'll perform. Well, no, they perform.
They just weren't people you would have expected to see in that environment.
Oh, like the smoking environment? Yeah. Because they're not, okay.

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Lance did. Lance and Mikey Winfield did the show.
Oh, yeah, they don't smoke at all. Not at all. Not at all.
Matter of fact, we tried to book Kyrie, but Kyrie left because it was too cloudy for him.
He was like, bro, I can't do this. He was like, it's too thick in here.
But yeah, it was like shit. Lance, for the people that were there when Lance

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was there, Lance went crazy.
Lance was stupid. We literally had to pull Lance off the stage. Shout out to Rico.
Like, Lance went in.
Lance was literally killing for, like, two straight hours, bro.
Lance was... Yeah, he could do it. Yeah. Lance was... We literally had to pull him off the stage.

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That shit was... People was laughing the whole time.
They was like, let him go! We was like, nah. We was like, bruh,
he done already, like, bruh, this shit is 1 in the morning, nigga.
This nigga still cooking. Like, the hell? Like, shit.
Lance will go on a Chappelle run. Fuck outta here.
But, yeah, shout out to the Smoke Mugga Joke family. You know what I'm saying?
Shout out to everybody. everybody that was affiliated with the Smokin' Jokes show.

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What made you want to do, like, do a smoking show?
Because, I mean, even though, like you said, it was during the pandemic,
it didn't necessarily have to be, like, a weed show.
What is it that made you just want to go out there and do something different?
You want to know what? At the time, we were doing the Bunsen Bullshit thing,
where we were just kind of smoking on, you know, it was just a podcast.
The funny thing was that it just kind of happened.

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Like, it wasn't something that we were necessarily trying to do.
It's just that we were smoking on the thing and we would talk about like who
or where we got the weed from.
So if there were particular, you know, vendors or companies that we had got
it from, we'd give them a shout out.
And then that kind of opened one door that opened another door.

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And then the conversation about just collaborating about doing a comedy show
with people that their business was, you know, providing people's medicinal cannabis needs.
So like on my end, my specialty was throwing comedy shows on their end.
Their thing was I got a bunch of people that like to buy weed and I think it

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would be cool if they had somewhere where they could enjoy their weed and get
some laughs. So, and then just in general, like, as the laws have changed throughout
the time, like, you know what I'm saying?
It's, it's become a lot more, it's a, it's a lot less of a regulated environment.
Like, you have more opportunities to be open about the fact that that might

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be something that you engage in.
And so as marijuana has become legal, you know, you kind of realize you might
have been ahead of the curve with some of the things that you were doing.
Because, like, I saw that on the bill now. Like, there you go.
There's petitions for like legalized cannabis bars where right now you can go
to the bar, to a cannabis bar and you can indulge in smoking. With cannabis, yeah.

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Yeah. So just on the one hand, me and the people that we were rocking with,
we might've been ahead of our time with all that.
But yeah, like the one thing I will say though about like cannabis environments
versus like alcohol environments is that in all of the cannabis environments I've been to,
the threat for violence isn't

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really there you know i'm saying like the fact that
everybody's smoking weed everybody's either to themselves or they're super chill
or like they're like hippies you know what i'm saying so for the most part they're
on they're on a love vibe and then everybody here doesn't want to blow the spot
up you feel me so it's not like a bar where.

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Or like a music environment where everybody might
be there to fucking turn up you know what i'm saying so like in most
cases the environment tends to be more relaxed
friendly so just and
then like i will say the difference between a weed crowd and an alcohol crowd
is that the weed crowds get the jokes a little slower saying like that delayed

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reaction yeah yeah so you gotta ease up with the punch lines a little bit don't
don't get too creative because you might lose them but yeah Yeah,
it was just an idea that I think that people on their end were good at what they were good at,
and then they felt I was good at something on my end, so I collabed the two.
So it was dope. What do you think is that testament to being able to,

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because that's one thing with, say, with comedians, is being able to have that
relationship with them.
With the venue owner to make that relationship work with doing something that,
you know, they may not be used to.
Because if you're even, like, if we're talking about for the aspect,
like, let's say, like, your business, you handle the business end.
I'm going to handle the comedy end. What are some of those things that you learned

(01:25:15):
from being able to, like, you're that person that's talking to these venue owners
and being able to maintain good relationships with them?
Well, the first thing is that I look at if we're able to get a friendship,
that's an added bonus, right?

(01:25:37):
Like, I never go into a business deal looking to be friends,
like, because at the end of the day, like, you're not my friend.
We don't know each other. Like, there's not a real, we don't know each other. Like, we're both here.
Our mutual agreement is making money, right? Right.
So I try to keep the main thing, the main thing, which is how do we make money together?

(01:25:59):
You know what I'm saying? And whatever our agreed upon split is, et cetera, et cetera.
So like I mentioned with the Say It Loud comedy show, like before I even had
my first show, I heard from what a business owner wanted from the business.
And also on their end, what they do that makes them successful.

(01:26:24):
Right. So like at the end of the day, you're supposed to make money.
Now, no matter how much I might like you, if I'm not making any money with you,
then like, you know, whatever.
This is this is just a time yeah you know what i'm saying so
like i keep the main thing the main thing which
is i focus on how do we produce revenue

(01:26:46):
on said night for said amount of time for whatever so i keep the main thing
the main thing and just on my end i try to make sure that whatever i say i'm
going to do i follow through on and if not over deliver like i'm punctual.
I make sure that like, whatever I'm doing, I'm open about it.

(01:27:08):
So like from the creation of the flyer, like just everything I'm,
I'm, I believe in clear community, clear communication upfront or in the process,
because I don't want to wait until it's the night of,
and then get hit with something unexpected,
nor do I want the people I'm dealing with to feel like I'm giving them something

(01:27:29):
unexpected last minute.
So like I mentioned with being in a group, right, you want to make sure that
your bad habits don't become somebody else's bad habits.
And then when you're thinking about a group dynamic, you want to make sure that
on your end, you've covered all of your, your bases.
So just, if nothing else, I'm not going to be the problem in this business arrangement.

(01:27:51):
Like if we're trying something and it doesn't work, then I mean, it just doesn't work.
But if it doesn't work, it's because the business didn't work.
And we can, and on the flip, we can actually walk away friends because we can
agree that this isn't working.
Yeah. Whereas, you know, because we're friends, we're continuing to do this failed experiment.

(01:28:15):
Now you just fill it with resentment. Yeah. Yeah.
So every time you see me, I'm, I'm a reminder of this failed thing that we're still doing.
So it's like, so on, on my end, whoever I'm, I'm, I'm doing business with,
I try to get a clear understanding of what it is they want from me on my end.
And if it's something I feel I'm capable of doing, then I agree to it.

(01:28:39):
If it's not something I feel I'm capable of doing, then I don't do it.
Unlike other people, I'm okay with walking away from a deal.
Like I'm not going to, like I've taken bad deals and then I've,
I've taken bad deals just cause I wanted to take a deal.
And then I've also taken deals that were, you know, negotiated and then just
all in all, like there's always going to be a winning give and take.

(01:29:03):
Cause just at the end of the day, like I'm not a big enough name to have demands, right?
So it's all negotiating, but just even with the negotiating,
you can get your demands met up front, which is, this is what I'm going to do.
If this isn't what you're interested in, then no thank you.

(01:29:23):
Which for the most part, like before I had the Say It Loud comedy show or when
I was shopping, doing comedy, like, you know, people thought I was trying to
do a rap show and I'm literally like, no, I don't rap.
And then so just change the whole perception
that you had because like what your perception
was was i was about to bring a bunch of weed smoking hennessy motherfuckers

(01:29:47):
in here to like basically possibly be some gang shit like you know you know
what i'm saying like you're thinking the whole rap you're thinking they think
about all the negative things that come with a rap show and i'm like well first
of all i don't even do music and i actually do comedy so like Like,
the whole type of people I'm going to invite to your venue,

(01:30:09):
even if they are that type of person, they're not going to be that type of person
on that night. Yeah, we're not bringing that energy.
Comedy's not the environment you go to to create chaos.
You know what I'm saying? It's an art form where you're coming to sit,
listen, laugh, listen, laugh, sit.
It like at no point does this does the

(01:30:32):
at no point is the audience required to
like dance and give it energy like literally all you're
supposed to do is sit and listen to it if it's funny you'll
laugh if not you'll you know wait for the next person to
do it better so y'all are supposed to talk but they still do it anyways but
that's on them now right yeah it would be a fuck around and get lit up but just
yeah so to answer the question just yeah keep keep the main thing the main thing

(01:30:56):
and and have a clear understanding of what the main thing is and everything
else will work itself out.
So, yeah, before we do a wrap up this episode, like I said, we do play this
game at the end of every show called, you know, the Mount Rushmore.
Mount Rushmore is just your four convenient inspirations that have,
you know, motivated you or, you know, you feel are the greatest in what they do.

(01:31:20):
Bet. So, yeah, we, we, we, we had this conversation on the phone.
So like, all right, bet. So, I'm going to give you, so, like,
I'll give you my childhood teenage four.
Mm-hmm. Then I'll give you, like, my four...
My four that as an adult, they're my four like icons or whatever,

(01:31:44):
or the four right now that I think are the greatest.
And then I'll give you the four that my personal favorites of people that I've worked with.
I bet. So as a kid, my Mount Rushmore, Eddie Murphy, Martin Lawrence, Bernie.
And this one's going to, so Bernie, Eddie, Martin, and this fourth one's going

(01:32:05):
to throw everybody off. Andrew Dice Clay.
Like I liked, I liked how,
uh, masculine and how machismo like he, like he, like his persona,
like he's a bad-ass and like, I liked, I liked his aura as a kid.

(01:32:26):
I liked the fact that he was like, he was an asshole.
He wasn't trying to be your friend and just shut up and listen.
So like that, that part of it. So like as a kid, I was a big dice fan.
So those four are the kid as an adult, Dave, Tony rock, excuse me, Dave,

(01:32:47):
Tony Roberts, excuse me, Dave, Tony Roberts, cat, cat Williams,
Dave Chappelle, cat Williams, Tony Roberts, Deon Cole, Deon Cole's father.
So those are my four favorites as an adult.
My Mount Rushmore of personal people that I have met and worked with.

(01:33:12):
I can't say Tony again. Sorry, I said Tony, a legend.
But personally, Mikey. Mikey's one of the dopest motherfuckers I ever saw.
Riggins. Definitely Chris Riggins.
Well, yeah, shit. Lance and Curry, like, shit. Like, those would be,

(01:33:34):
like, those would be the four that I'd put up there.
Niggas I personally like working with. Shout out to the gang.
Javon Whitlock. You feel me? Shout out to the whole family. Tristan Johnson. Shit.
Rico. Fucking shit, shit, shit, shit, shit.
D-Rap. Cookie. The whole Say It Out family. Shit. Kells.
Fucking, who am I forgetting? Sammy Eden. Shout out to Sammy Eden. Sammy Eden, my dog.

(01:33:59):
Mars Parker. Shit. Asia May.
Oh, yeah. Shout out to the fam. You feel me? For real. Shout out to Mario Hodge, too.
Gang, gang. All Beast, man. All Beast. Oh, B.T. Kingsley. Shit.
Let me not forget B.T. Kingsley.
D.C. Irvin. Shout out to D.C. Irvin. I'm a personal fan of D.C.

(01:34:20):
Irvin. Love D.C. Shout out to D.C. Irvin.
You know what's funny? Because even like a couple of those comedians that you
just named and stuff like that,
like they could like be like legit like
other people's like mount rushmore's like guns just
because there's just just going back to how you say elder there's just a
lot of a lot of strong comedians out here and not only sacramento but like i
said extend out to the bay area there's just something about that that that

(01:34:43):
that circle that energy that we just that that synergy where we give off with
each other to where we just be able to just create some of these strong comedians
if you're able to take advantage you know me and going out there me and them,
Oh, and Regina Givens.
Everybody that was part of the mics, let me not fuck around with shit on my crews.
The mics, shit, the cowboys and cannabis, like, everybody that I've ever had

(01:35:08):
the pleasure of doing a group thing with, man. Shit, we're all legends.
You dig. So, yeah, before we do, yeah, we wrap up this episode.
Where can the people follow you at?
You can follow me on my personal page at Michael Calvin Jr. on Instagram,
at Michael Calvin Jr. on Twitter slash X.
Or you can follow the comedy promo page at Say It Loud Comedy.

(01:35:30):
That's the page I do all the promos for the show and everything.
So, yeah, that's where you find out about free birthdays, free ticket giveaways.
We're going to start doing some comedy competitions. Shout out to Dries and
the whole Rock the Crowd family where you can always catch the Say It Loud comedy
show streaming on the Rock the Crowd app.
So go ahead and you go ahead and download the Rock the Crowd app.

(01:35:52):
So go ahead. If you have Google's, if you have Google Play, if you have an iPhone
and all that good stuff, yeah, we're available. We're out there.
Big outside of America too, man. Shout out to everybody that follows the streams and the updates.
You know, we're out here. Also, be on the lookout, man.
Blunts and Bullshit might be, not might be, just it's in the process of coming

(01:36:13):
back, man. It's definitely backed by popularity and demand.
Yes, so yeah. For sure. Check out the Say It Loud show, streaming.
It's streaming everywhere.
Yes, sir, yes, sir. The only live, well, the only comedy show that I know that
after it's done, you can catch it again.
So, you know, even if you're not able to come out and catch it live,
you can tune in to rock the crowd and.

(01:36:37):
You know, see what we do, baby. Although, you know, things do get edited.
So, like, you know, the live show is the live show. It's better to come if you're
in or around the Sacramento area.
So I just want to point that out there because, you know, if niggas get edited
or anything like that. Yeah, cut out.
There is a showroom floor. A cutting room floor, my bad.

(01:37:03):
But yes, sir, man. Shout out to everybody, man.
Shout out to my family. family, mom, dad, yes, love you, mom,
dad, shout out to my sisters and brothers, the whole shit.
Everybody, I'll name them, because they would put and get on me,
shout out to Derek, Ashley, Cara, Tiffany, Xavier, Joshua, my brothers and sisters,

(01:37:25):
you dig, my nieces and nephews,
Jaden, Jordan, Ryan, Adrian, London.
Oh, shout out to my London.
Shit, I said Adrian, I said London. J, Jordan, Jaden.

(01:37:46):
Yes. Boom, man. Shout out to my guys. Shout out to you. My daughters,
the A-team. Shout out to Avren and Ayana, my babies.
Love you. Shout out to Buddy for having me in this motherfucker.
Gang in the building. Yes, sir.

(01:38:29):
Y'all the next episode you catch us streaming everywhere we out.

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