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February 22, 2023 • 15 mins

Imposter Syndrome may be a real thing, but it isn't something you just have to live with. Learn to identify imposter syndrome and then utilize the right tools to help you overcome it so imposter syndrome won't hold you back ever again.

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Welcome to the show.
Today we're talking aboutimposter syndrome.
Yay.
How much fun is that?

(01:30):
I actually, I know this is apretty popular topic with a lot
of y'all out there and I haveavoided talking about this for
a, for many podcast episode.
And the reason I've avoided itis in my world, in my space, in
my experience, I, it's been alittle bit overdone.
I've heard it so many times andI didn't really think I had
anything to add on the topicbecause I think that imposter

(01:53):
syndrome is a little bit highlevel and everything that we
talk about here and um, thatI've taught on and taught on
tech is it's much more specificand really not as high level.
But I heard Seth Godin onWhitney Johnson's podcast,
disrupt Yourself and I, he wastalking about imposter syndrome
and I decided that I do havesomething to say on it.

(02:15):
And Seth this great, he alwayschallenges the way I think about
education and learning.
And of course love Whitney.
She does great work, superinteresting.
So I will link to that and theshow notes.
So one thing that I think is areally important piece in
imposter syndrome is that if youare doing something that
requires growth, right?
You are stepping into a newversion of yourself and so many

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of you listening are gettinghired in tech, but then you've
gotten hired.
So now what's next, right?
So then after my students, I cantell you that after they get
hired in tech, oftentimes theywanna work on financial peace in
their life or relationships intheir life or their
surroundings.
Maybe they wanna level up theirhome or do a remodel and then
quite frankly they wanna to growin their career.

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Like, okay, I got hired, but nowhow can I be great at this?
How can I be, you know, advancedin my career?
So those are some of the thingsthat come up.
So, you know, there's alwayssomething in our life that we
can be striving for and a goaland to really push ourselves.
And when growth is needed,there's always going to be the
opportunity for impostersyndrome and to feel like we are

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not the person who is beingcalled to do the task that we're
being called to do.
So I want to talk to you abouthow it's okay that you feel that
way and then how we can kind ofwork through it and what it
really means to be an imposter.
And so the term, fake it tillyou make it is very common.

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And I've been given this advicetoo, and I think it is
well-intended advice that's veryunhelpful.
So when we are, let's sayconquering imposter syndrome,
faking it till we make it is abad strategy.
So that can really harm usinternally and personally, it
might get us through the moment,it can get you through the

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moment, but it really can hurtyou personally and leave you
with feelings that happiness orreally almost like a painful
level is part of growth.
And growth does requirediscomfort, but it does not
require unhappiness or typicallyor pain.

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So it doesn't have to be thatpath.
And so I would encourage youthat faking it till you make it
is not a helpful solution.
So if that's true, then how dowe conquer imposter syndrome or
move through imposter syndrome?
So I think acknowledging thefirst piece that I said that

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when we have growth, we aregoing to feel like when we are
shooting for growth, we have agoal.
We want to become a differentversion of ourselves.
That requires that we thinkabout ourselves in a new way,
which can often make us feellike an imposter.
So the first piece to that isthat if we can break down and
not view ourselves as animposter, that's a much more

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helpful way to pursue this.
So what do we wanna do?
We wanna step into that newversion and step into that
discomfort.
When we step into that, werealize I'm uncomfortable in the
moment, but I will not alwaysfeel that way.
I can show up in this discomforttoday and I might feel

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uncomfortable today and tomorrowand the third time, but by the
fourth and fifth and sixth time,I'm not gonna feel like that.
It's actually gonna feeldifferent for me.
It's not gonna feel the sameway.
And oh, by the way, as Icontinue to show up, and maybe
it's 10 or 12, I don't know howmany iterations, but as by the
way, as I continue to show up,what I'm doing is building the

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skills necessary to convince mybrain and really to become that
in, in reality, I'm not animposter.
I am that new version of myself.
So I no longer am new to tech.
I've grown in my tech career.
I'm no longer someone who wantsto get out of debt.
I am out of debt and I am savingfor retirement.

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I'm no longer someone who livesin this home.
I live in a new home, inbeautiful home with the space
that I need in the neighborhoodthat I want for the schools, for
my kids.
So, so those are, that's whatyou're stepping into.
And the question is, how muchdiscomfort are you willing to
feel along the way?
And as long as you're willing toengage with it and accept that

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I'm not an imposter, I'm justnew, right?
Kind of going back to thisconcept of new, I'm new and I'm
gonna do it and I'm gonna do itagain and I'm gonna do it again
and I'm gonna keep showing upuntil it works.
That's part of this piece.
And so if you want to say, well,I feel like an imposter, but I
don't think that is actuallygoing to help you.
But whatever it takes to keepshowing up in that way, that is

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how you actually conquer it.
That's how you actually overcomethe imposter feeling is you
become that version, you becomethat goal of yourself.
And not only are we steppinginto it, but we are taking
action around it.
Let me give you an example.
So a couple of scenarios whereyou can feel like you're not,
you know, you're not worthy.
You guys, are you guys from mygeneration, Wayne's world, we're

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not worthy.
Okay, sorry about that.
, if below 30, don'tworry about it.
Or 35 when we're in a room andpeople are talking about things
and we just do not know whatthey're talking about.
Let's, for example, say one ofthe 1 million tech acronyms,
right?
But we don't know what peopleare talking about.
Are we taking action throughthat?
Are we asking the question?
I'm sorry, what are you talkingabout?

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Now, actually, an acronym was abad idea cuz if you can just
Google that quickly.
So save your questions forsomething bigger.
But the point is that someone'stalking about a topic you don't
understand and so you're gonnaraise your hand, you're gonna
ask a question, you're going tosay, excuse me, actually we
don't raise our hands in thework world.
I don't allow my children toraise their hands at the dinner
table.
I'm like, this is not school.
I get why teachers need to doit.

(08:11):
But in a workroom, in, in ameeting, you don't have to raise
your hand typically.
So, but you ask a question, yousay, I don't really, can you
explain what you mean by that?
And chances are someone elsewants to know that too.
But even if they don't, beingwilling to take action around
that.
So you feel like an imposter,you're nervous cuz you're like,
whoa, what are you talkingabout?
I don't even get it.

(08:32):
But you're gonna take actionthrough that and you're gonna
ask an uncomfortable questionand say, you know, I could
really use some clarification onthat.
That is taking action throughdiscomfort.
That is helping you conquerimposter syndrome.
Now, another component of thisis, you know, some of you are
listening to me and you'resaying, okay, that makes sense.
I can totally do that.

(08:52):
But here's another importantpiece, and I even have a freebie
on this, so we'll link to theshow notes.
But it's like how to solve yourown tech question.
So one of the things that isimportant when you're getting
started, just ask the question,don't worry about it.
But as you grow and improve, youwanna ask a better and better
question.
And what that requiresoftentimes is a little bit of

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behind the scenes work.
So are you taking action tolearn about the topic at hand?
And that's what's always trickywith tech, is that your topic,
right?
Are we learning UX ordevelopment?
I mean, those are very broad ingeneral.
Usually it has to do with, areyou learning about the problem
that your product is solving andare you learning more about your

(09:35):
product?
Like it gets really specific.
And that is just something thatyou can't grab off a YouTube,
you have to like do your ownwork on it.
And so again, going back to thisimposter syndrome, are you
sitting down doing the work?
Because if you're feeling supernervous about asking a question,
well, at the beginning that'snormal.
But if you're still feelingsuper nervous three months in,
don't freak out, don't worryabout it.

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Just do more work.
Do more work around that placethat you have fear.
So I just coached on this thisweek actually, and it's, and
it's Marcus Aurelius's conceptof the obstacle is the way, and
this is a little esoteric andkind of, you know, philosophy,
but whatever the point is thatthe place where you have the

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fear that's giving you amessage.
So maybe Tony Robbins is abetter way to, he'll say
emotions are messages.
So that fear, it's okay, but itis telling you that you need to
do some more work on thatspecific thing.
So let me be clear.
Most of my students say tend tooverwork and do a lot of
different things.
No one is saying that you'relazy.

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What we are saying is that youmay not be doing the right work.
So the area that you most needto do the work on is the area
you have the most fear on.
That's an indicator that youcould learn more information.
It's not a hundred percent true,there are other reasons, but
it's usually fairly true thatthis is the area you need to do
work at.
Another piece in this.
So in the imposter syndrome,when you're feeling like people

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won't help you, this is againkind of the obstacles, the way
conversation.
So remember, you need acommunity around you, you need a
network, you need mentors, youneed peers, you need all of
those people in end, you needthem to support you, to help you
to go through the fear.
And when you do the actual workyourself, there is nothing more

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powerful.
So if you're thinking that, butif someone will show it to me,
that is not going to help youovercome imposter syndrome as
much as doing the work yourself,coming up against a roadblock,
solving that roadblock, doingthe work, solving it.
And you might think, but it's soeasy for them.
But you putting in the time todo that work will help you
understand it at a level that isvery different than consuming

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information from a video, fromYouTube, from someone live by
asking a great question.
So yes, you wanna ask greatquestions, that's important, and
you wanna do the work yourselfso that you understand what the
important questions are.
Now if that's feeling cyclical,what I just talked about, if
that's something like wait or so, do we ask great questions or
do we do the work?
Yes.

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And you wanna go through that,it's a cycle.
You wanna keep doing that cyclethat is gonna move you up, as
Whitney Johnson would say, moveyou through the S-curve.
It's gonna move you up in yourintellect around it, and it's
going to reduce your feelings ofimposter syndrome.
So I like to say, think ofyourself as becoming a master.
And a lot of times my studentsdon't have that lofty goal.

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They're like, I just wanna get ahurting tuck.
I don't need to be a master.
But actually the way to break inis to just embody it and learn
it and think about it and do itand have a little bit of an
obsession over it in a way thatbuilds your knowledge base to
the point where you are the onewho people are like, wow, she
really knows her stuff, shereally knows what's going on.

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The more time you spend in thatcycle of doing the work and
asking better questions and thengoing back and doing better work
and then asking betterquestions, the more time you
spend in that space, the moreimposter syndrome will reduce.
But remember, when you're juststarting out, that's going to
feel really uncomfortable.
But as you keep cycling throughthat, doing the work, asking

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better questions, doing thework, do you just keep showing
up the same way?
And those feelings get reduced.
You're going to the same place,you're going to the same
environment, you're goingworking with the same people,
you're doing all the samethings, but it's not feeling so
overwhelming and you're notdoubting yourself so much.
And so that really is animportant piece to imposter

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syndrome.
So remember to step into that.
So you wanna do the action withfull ownership.
You wanna do the action as youare building your own knowledge
base, but you want to have thepeer support and mentorship that
you need to get you to take thataction, not in such a fine line.
Because think about it, ifyou're doing the work, you might

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think, oh my gosh, I have aquestion.
Let me just go call Raquel mymentor.
She will know the answer.
And while that's all fine andgood, an even better way to do
this is to say, Raquel, I'mreally working through this
problem, this challenge that Ihave.
You know, I could use youremotional support and what

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guidance do you have for me?
So instead of going to her forthe answer, go to her for the
support and guidance.
That's a beautiful way to useyour community.
And talking a lot about being,you know, being the mentee and
asking for mentorship.
But remember, you also wanna bea mentor and help people in that
same way.
And there is someone who isbehind you.

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If you've already started,you're getting hired process,
maybe they're still thinkingabout it.
Whatever that relationship is,you being a resource for other
people will also help you toovercome imposter syndrome
because you understand and arecommunicating the value that
you're providing, you're recommunicating that out into the
world.
And so it's like telling yourbrain, oh look, we do know

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something, right?
Think that's an important piece.
So I guess I did have quite abit to say on imposter syndrome.
I'm kind of happy I waited thislong to talk about it because
when I say it's overdone, I meanit is a real thing.
It's just, it's just, I've heardit a lot.
I think that sometimes we go tothat place, we're like, I just
feel like an imposter.
But that is, that's a problem tobe solved.

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That's not a throw your hands upand what do we do about it?
That is a problem to be solved.
You do not have to live yourlife that way.
And I hope this episode hashelped to guide you in that
experience.
Hey, I'll see you next time.
Thanks so much for being here.
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