June 4, 2025 • 50 mins
Summary
In this episode, Joel celebrates the milestone of 25 episodes of his true crime podcast, discussing the diverse aspects of crime he covers. He introduces the infamous Donald Henry Pee Wee Gaskins, detailing his early life, childhood trauma, and the development of his criminal behavior. The conversation explores the triad of serial killers, Gaskins' experiences in reform school, and his eventual rise to power within the prison system. The episode sets the stage for a deeper exploration of Gaskins' life and crimes in the next installment.
Takeaways
Joel celebrates reaching 25 episodes of his podcast.
The podcast covers a wide range of true crime topics.
Pee Wee Gaskins is introduced as a notorious figure in true crime.
Gaskins had a troubled childhood marked by abuse and violence.
The triad of serial killers includes animal cruelty, bedwetting, and fire-setting.
Gaskins' early crimes escalated from petty mischief to serious offenses.
He was sent to a juvenile correctional facility for his crimes.
Life in reform school was brutal and abusive.
Gaskins escaped multiple times from reform school.
He found work at a carnival after escaping reform school.
Gaskins had multiple marriages and children throughout his life.
He became a power figure in prison after committing murder.
The episode highlights the dynamics of power in prison life.
Gaskins' story will continue in the next episode.
Sound Bites
"We are now at 25 episodes"
"I try to focus on all crime"
"He was not that big"
Chapters
00:00 Celebrating Milestones and Podcast Growth
03:54 Exploring True Crime: A Broader Perspective
06:16 The Infamous Donald Henry Pee Wee Gaskins
08:18 The Early Life of a Serial Killer
14:16 Childhood Trauma and Early Signs of Violence
20:11 The Trouble Trio: From Mischief to Crime
25:19 A Descent into Darkness: The First Major Crime
29:56 Juvenile Delinquency and the Path to Infamy
31:17 The Troubling Past of Pee Wee Gaskins
32:32 Life in Reform School: Abuse and Escape
35:42 The Carnival Life: A New Beginning
39:23 The Dangerous Release: A Psychiatrist's Warning
43:20 Prison Life: The Rise of a Power Man
49:32 Divorce and Power: Pee Wee's Struggles
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Transcript
Episode Transcript
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What is going on everybody? Welcome to another edition.
You guessed it. You can't make this BS up.
And I want to say before I get started that guys, we have hit a
milestone. Already.
And that milestone is, is that we are now at 25 episodes, 25
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episodes, everybody. We are making it 25 episodes.
I just want to say thank you foreveryone that has been
supporting the podcast of True Crime.
I've reached out. To 1 of.
The notorious podcasters got a response back.
So we should be doing some work hopefully in the next couple of
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weeks or maybe a couple of months.
You know how people's schedule are.
I'm still reaching out to a lot of other podcasters as well.
I'm starting to figure out that I'm not that I'm I'm.
I'm like a diamond in the roof. Because most podcasters that are
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black that do true crime, they always focus on the crime that
is done in the community. I actually like to focus on all
crime of my crime that I try to focus on is not only just the
serial killers. But I also try to focus on the
illegal activities of when people get, you know, fall on
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the drug cartels. And I also like to look at the
scammers. I like, I like it all 'cause
crime is crime. And I feel like that to be a
true crime enthusiast, you need to be versed in all niche, on
all niche of the true crime genre.
And that's what I wanted my podcast to be about anyway.
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I didn't want it to be just about, you know, murder, murder,
murder, murder, murder or missing person, missing person.
I wanted it to be a very open conversation in the true crime
niche. And I'm cool with that.
So with that being stated, I want to tell everybody thank you
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once again. I did get a comment from a guy
that was also named. Joelle, which is.
Crazy, got the same name I do. Let me go into my comments
section. He left a comment, you know,
just doing his housekeeping before we get started.
I thought it was pretty cool, hesaid.
(02:39):
His podcast is absolutely fire. I love how Joelle really keeps
the audience engaged with all the details.
That is included in the crime. He commented on the betrayal in
the church. The Randy Stone case, Part 1.
I want to say thank you. So much Joelle for being a
supporter. I did reply back.
I hope that you like the reply that I did.
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Give you because yeah, we need all that we need.
Everybody to engage and tell me their feedback about what how
I'm doing and how they are liking the podcast.
So again, I'm on all platforms. If you see my podcasts and you
like getting you binging on it for your long commute to work or
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whatever have you, please take the take the moment to tell me
what you think about my podcast.You know, be respectful because
I am respectful back because we all adults here tell me what you
think about my podcast, what we need to work on, what we need to
do, or just how much you adore. But either way, just try to
leave me a five star review because it helps out with the
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actual discovery of the podcast because that way people can see
that my podcast is out there forothers to enjoy.
So today we are going to be talking about a man that is
infamous in the state of South Carolina, especially in the PD
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area. And if you don't know what the
PD area is, I'm from that area and I can tell you what it is.
It's the Piedmont area of Florence, SC Myrtle Beach, SC
Darlington County AKA Darlington.
Darlington Raceway. Let's see here, King Street
area, man it a Little River Myrtle on Myrtle Beach.
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Yeah, PD area to the Inlands. That's what it's all about, man.
So shout out to that area. Bennettsville, Bishopville,
yeah, all that part of the PD area.
If you hear the PD, that's what they talking about.
The great Piedmont area of SouthCarolina.
It's right in the middle of South Carolina.
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You can't miss it. Very, very great area to retire
from. I hope that they have more
opportunities. Than when it was when I was a.
Kid, but I do know it's a good retirement area.
So give me one second here. Let me pull my man's up here
that we're going to talk about the day, the man of the hour of
the guy that still gives people the chills when you say his
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name. All right, I'm talking about to
the point that people like, yo, this cat scares me type of guy.
And I think that you guys will pretty much respect this
gentleman being so near and dearas a legend.
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In the true crime niche, I feel like that if you're going to be
a true crime. Artist, you have to know this
name like you have to do a. Report on him.
You have to know his name, I mean.
I know a lot of. People say, oh, they don't mean
nothing. What do you mean?
Yeah, that's like one of the requirements him and a few
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others you want to do. Yeah, you definitely want to do
their name. Like you don't want to be that
guy that don't do their name so well.
With that being said, we're going to be talking about a man
named Donald Henry, Pee Wee Gaskins.
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That's right, Donald Henry. Pee Wee gasses this guy is.
One of the meanest men in America during his Infinity,
this man was just no one to playwith.
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People was scared to deal with this guy because of his
reputation. Now this is where.
You gonna really flip out about this gentleman?
Henry Gasses was not that big atall.
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OK, let's let's get this right. He was not that big.
He was not what you would call avery huge anything like that.
This guy stood at 5/2 and his weight as an adult was I would
possibly say between 1:35 to 145lbs.
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So he's not a big man, small man, but he has done a lot of
damage. So this is going to be Part 1
about it. So enough of me saying this that
in the third, let me go ahead onand jump into this story because
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you're about to find and meet the mugsy bowls of the serial
killer world and y'all know if you ever seen mugsy bowls play
ball or Isaiah Thomas. Not Isaiah Thomas on the
Pistons, but Isaiah Thomas, the namesake of the guy that played
on the Pistons short peep short guy but could really really
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really play ball. So let's jump into it so.
This 4 foot to. Inch I would say at this point
of the game, 135 LB. A redneck serial killer from
South Carolina and everything. Was one of the.
People that was on a main killing spree, OK And that
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killing spree lasted from 1970 to 1975.
At that time, what has been recorded and proven that Pee Wee
has deleted at least 13 people in the PD Florence County area.
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But according to Pee Wee's personal account in his
biography that he has said he has killed 110 people.
Now the only guy that comes close to actually proving that
feat or being as close to a Pee Wee Gaskins in murder is Samuel
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Little. And I definitely will be doing a
story on Samuel Little in the future on the podcast.
But I'm quite sure Samuel Littleand Pee Wee gasses.
That would be a good battle to see because both of them are
pretty much very evil and very good at their craft when it
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comes to doing this type of thing.
Let me go continue to keep goingon into this story.
Now, the person that wrote this book was named Wilson Earl.
He took the time to organize this whole thing.
He made it into a narrative and the book would not be released
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until Pee Wee Gaskins was executed.
That was what he wanted. And they also said, too, that
when it was time to take out PeeWee Gaskins for his crime, he
was so short he had to literallyclimb into the electric chair.
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Because like I said, he's a small.
Man like us, with the with the bodybuilder of a teenage man, of
a teenage little boy, but at thesame time he was just.
Brutal. Very, very brutal.
All right. So the one thing about it is
about a peewee. That was a known fact as well
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was that he was only 4 lbs at birth and that was why he got
the nickname Peewee. In fact, he didn't even know his
name was Donald until he stood in front of a judge at the age
of 13 and they told him that, yo, you know, this is your name.
You know, this your birth name. But again, Donna wasn't even his
birth name. Like I said before, his real
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name was, you know, and he didn't feel like it.
He didn't know that his name waswas Donna.
He always was called Pee Wee or Junior.
But hey, that's just how it was.So anyway.
We're going to talk about him being a part of the Parrot
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family. He was born on March the 13th,
1933 in Florence County, South Carolina, and his mother name
was Molly Perry. Now, he was known as Pee Wee
Perry throughout his childhood and there's not too much about
his father. They said that his father was
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only known as Mr. Gaskins. He ran like on store on the next
town over. He had some businesses, but what
I was told was been said around the campfire that Pee Wee
Gaskins father, real father, wasmarried and that he just
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basically had a fling with Pee Wee's mom.
And after that fling was over, like back in the day, that's
what they did, you know? Oh, I'm pregnant, my baby.
You better tell you better. I ain't mine.
I ain't the pappy. I got this.
Family over here. My nice wife go to church, look
good in the in the church dresses and stuff.
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I was back in the 30s and 40s and 50's.
The scandals were not like it isnow.
I think if they had Instagram and all that stuff, they would
probably would have just as bad scandals as we had.
But back then people pretty muchtight lipped, you know,
especially women. Women really didn't have a
voice. So if the man told them I ain't
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taking care of this baby and no,you better keep your mouth shut
and don't tell my wife what I got going on.
They just bit their tongue and did that what they supposed to
do. And they tell no one in town who
the baby father was. And sometimes they will look up.
And get a guy that they could possibly, maybe convince
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everybody that that was the father of the child.
So that's when his mother met someone that was a hardened
criminal in their 30s. But anyway, let me get back to
the story. Sorry I got sidetracked on the
writing. So by the time Pee Wee was five
it was already very apparent that something was wrong.
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He had a little bit of an animalmutilation hobby at five years
old. Now he liked to pull the legs
off bullfrogs murder nest full of baby birds and trap full
grown birds just so he could pull the heads off with his bare
hands. Now this was at 5.
Honestly though, you know it, You know he's like 2 feet tall,
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but he's got the strength of a lion, you know what I'm saying?
Now here's the thing about this.This is one of the triads that
they talk about in the serial killer world.
Now, if you haven't never noticed this and I'm not a
psychologist, but I'm just telling you what I have did deep
studying in is that there's three parts of that triad that
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makes you into a serial killer. First triad of that is you like
to hurt and kill animals. Now, when I say like the hurt
kill animals, I'm not talking myold Well, if you're a.
Hunter, you know and you like tohunt.
For you know, for food and stuffand eat animals like certain
game and all of a sudden you're just this evil person.
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Know what I'm talking about is achild that let's say, for
instance, the child sees a puppyand the puppy is don't have an
owner just out there roaming around in things of that nature.
Most people see a puppy. They're like, oh, that's cute,
that's sweet, that's cuddly mom,can I have the puppy?
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But if the child is like oh that's a puppy, I wonder how it
would look if I did. So and so to it.
To make it bleed or to make it die?
And they continue to do this with any animal they encounter.
Now, that's part of that serial killer triad that I'm talking.
So getting back to the story here.
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Oh, so there's not a lot of entertainment at five years old
in 1939 in South Carolina. I mean, the only entertainment
that was back then was the radio.
And you got to understand this is during the Great Depression
too. So you either had to have a lot
of money to have a radio, and you also had to be rich not to
be suffering in the Great Depression at that time.
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And you got to remember too, back then in the South, they
were still using outhouse. If you don't know what outhouses
is, this is where you go and usethe restroom.
It's like a porta potty. But people back then had this
attachment to the outside of thehouse that was the plumbing.
You go to the outhouse, use yourbathroom and do what you got to
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do, and you go back into the main house and usually they
would use, you know, buckets of water from a well or whatever to
flush it, you know, get rid of the waste or whatever have you,
and you'll be able to use the outhouse again.
Pee Wee Gaskins has said that his childhood was filled with
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physical and sexual abuse from the strings of his mother's
lovers. But relatives have said that Pee
Wee was lying that he didn't even get spanked, which was odd
for 1930 S Carolina. Now, I think that the reason why
he didn't get spanked, probably because again, his mother had
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other children she was raising and you got to remember, you
know, she had him out of wedlockfor another man.
I think the other children had different fathers too.
So you coming from that time, you know, as a woman with
multiple fathers and you not been married by one, I was
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extremely frowned upon. So yeah, back then they would be
considered as what you hear a lot of people say that is an
insult. And I'm just being 100, not
trying to be racist, but I'm just telling you what they
looked at it in the South. They looked at it look at him as
like his white trash. Now the family said not only was
he not spanked, he was treated very kindly by the whole.
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Family because of the. Fact that he was so cute and
because him being so cute and and small and full of stature
and had a nice smile that he could get away with anything and
all he had to do is just smile and get what you want.
Now, there's also a story that people told about his childhood
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that even if it isn't true, thatwe don't know for sure, but it's
at least tells you how he saw himself.
And he said that when he was a kid, he went to traveling, went
to a traveling carnival with hismom and his stepdad, a man named
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Hannah Hannah. Now, Hannah was again in his
life, but I don't know how long.So while they were at the
carnival, they swarmed by the reptile town, which boasted a
king cobra cobra as their main attraction.
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Now Peewee said that he watched as the Barker took a rat
out-of-the-box and dropped it inwith the snake, and the Barker
said a cobra will kill even whenit isn't hungry.
Peewee said that as the cobra start this prey, he caught its
eye and threw his own reflectionin the glass.
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Pee Wee's face lined up with thecobras and they were kind,
kindred spirits. And in that moment he was hard,
he was hard, he was aroused, andthat just what turned him on.
He liked the fact that this snake could actually do that.
Now again, like I said, a lot ofpeople think.
That this was. Fake.
But some people say that it was true.
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But that's that's just what it is.
Now here's the thing. He didn't get.
A beating from his mother and other people in the family, but
from the kids at school, they were always beating on Peewee
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because of his small statue and everything.
Now he did have a few friends. They all hung out in the old
abandoned shack. They called the they called it
the hideout. And this is what Peewee said
they did there. We would sit around and smoke
cigarettes. That we stole and bran about how
much we kept about. We knew about girls and we
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watched the older boys and learnand again.
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That's why it's going to be moreexplicit when I upload this.
Learn how to jerk off or cornhole or fuck a sheep or goat
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or chicken and we usually end upfighting about something because
we're all so horny, you know? So they have high eating
competitions. It'll be how many pennies you
can fit in your mouth. So basically it just goes to
show you that back then they didn't have no entertainment.
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And that's why a lot of people had a lot of babies back then.
A lot of girls, young girls is getting pregnant all the time
because there's nothing to do. You know, ain't a whole lot of
resources to tell you to wrap itup or whatever.
So everybody just getting busy at getting busy bad getting
busy. So if you don't know what
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cornhole is, when they said cornhole each other, it
basically means that you're pleasing another guy to
masturbate while he pleases you to masturbate.
Now what cornhole is. So that's what he was basically
saying what that meant. It's just just, it's just weird
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stuff because they they were born and had nothing else to do.
So now these guys are bonded by all this and they started
calling themselves the Trouble Trio.
Now at first the Trouble Trio was a lot closer to Porky's than
the Devil's Rejects. For example, the first time they
got in trouble with was for peeping into the outhouse at
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church. That's where you want the
peeping of the old outhouse and people.
We said the best part about looking and doing a little
peeping into the outhouse. You can see the vagina and the
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duty. My God.
Wow, that was fun to them really.
Soon they moved to a more. Serious crime, they do a little
bit of burgling here and there, then breaking the houses, stores
and cars for cash. And most of that money was spent
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on trips to Charleston. Now see where the South Carolina
ladies of the night gathered dueto the nearby military base,
which is still there today and functioning very well, is what
Pee Wee said about the experience.
That's how we all three lost ourpussy fuck cherries.
But there was something. God, that is so disgusting.
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So there's something good and it's so disgusting.
That's what he said. Yeah.
Pussy fucked cherries. It's just the little turn of
phrase like because you know, hecalls it when he has regular sex
with somebody, he calls it a love fuck.
It's just it's it's so fucking gross.
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Every bit of it. It's just like into the mind of
like a gross human being, gross,gross human being.
And he he has seen so much more gross than such a 5 foot 2
should be allowed to see. Yeah, it's.
Crazy, but there was something about them whores.
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That we didn't like. We agree that jacking off at the
hideout was almost as good. Marsh thought the hideout was
better than the horse. He liked cornhole the younger
boys letting them cornhole him, and he like to, excuse my
expression, suck Dicks. And that final three.
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I think Marsh was walking a different path.
In the rest of. The show too.
I would love to hear Marsh's cell pitch.
On this well, they're either having sex with women or going
back and jerking off and staringin the eyes of their male.
Friends. That is so crazy.
You can tell by this last statement that he was starting
to think of women as just objects because he kept calling
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him whore. So he he thinking of women now
as objects. He's not thinking of them.
As possible partnership or someone he can have relationship
so anyway. It's about to get real
problematic very soon. So when these boys were about
13, the trio crimes were moved from regular small time Bishop
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type stuff to an act of pure evil and disregard that years.
The boy started to wonder what would it be like to have sex
with a virgin? And so all of them lured
Marshall's sister now to their hideout and they.
Violated her and threatened her life if she told anyone.
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His own sister. But thankfully though she almost
immediately told her mother and the boys were rounded up by the
Marshes Marshes family and once they were caught they were hung
upside down and marched his backyard and were beaten
mercilessly until they were black and blue and bloody.
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Now I want y'all to stop for a minute and understand something.
This is how they did corporal punishment back in the 1930s and
40s in the South. Corporal punishment was brutal.
They will pick up anything to. Tear your behind up.
Your mother may beat your behindwith a metal clothes hanger.
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Just got whelps all over you fortalking smack your dad.
May. Took the.
Yeah, this is a true. Story I heard a lot of young a
lot of old heads told me their father did this back in the day
in those times. Took a fan belt off of their
truck or their car. They working on a old utility
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belt belt from that car park anduse it to wrap around their
children, spanking them with it until they straighten up.
So yeah, man, it was a different.
Time back then and they did not care how tall you got.
So you could have been 6 foot 6-7 or eight or 9 or even 10,
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towering over your father who might have been like 6 feet even
a six one. He didn't care.
He would still go at your behindlike he was five years old.
So anyway, at this point after that happened, so long after
they dropped out of school, but they already was dropped out of
school because they dropped out of school when it was 11 years
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old. OK.
So at that point they just on their own.
And again back then they did nothave no truancy laws where kids
had to come to school. They having that you know if you
didn't come back to school they would assume that you had to
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help out on your parents farm orland.
Now here's another tidbit about back in the day in the 30s and
the 40s and the 50s, if you notice a lot.
Of. That generation of families
would have large families, say large, large families coming to
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eat on Sunday or whatever the weekend on the detail.
And so with that being stated, having a large family like that,
these people were investing in the possibility of farming their
land or doing work around their property.
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So if you had a large set of children to do that, to work on
the farm, you got daughters to work in the kids in the house,
it made your life a whole lot easier.
So that's why a lot of black families especially had large
families in those time frames. So while.
Most people would have seen thisbeating of these boys and what
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they did to the girl would have went straight to the police and
pressed charges on for the on the what they did to the girl
and what the boy got done to himfrom the marshals and didn't
work that way. Back in the day it was
considered country justice affair.
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The boys were sent back loose. It would remind them that if
they commit a crime around that family again like that, it would
be worse. So that's why a lot of times a
lot of kids straighten up. Some kids would like Pee Wee
Gaskins. Wait till the heat settled down
and you know the town quit talking.
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Well, alright, I'm going to go solo.
I'm going to do something else by myself so.
Anyway, at this time he's 13 in 19. 48 on pee.
Wee committed a crime that was sent him to.
His first juvenile Correctional Facility, which right then was
considered the the boys form reform school back then when
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they called it. Now he was also getting smart
about his crimes. He would even say in the book
that the first the best time to rob a house was when the family
was either at a wedding or a funeral.
And on that day the family was indeed at a funeral.
One time though, but what Pee Wee didn't expect was that they
left the daughter behind. So anyway, when they walked in,
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the girl immediately recognized him, grabbed the hatchet and
started swinging it. Unfortunately though, Pee Wee
had was able to grab it from herand hit hit her square in the
head with the blunt end knockingher out.
Now the girl survived. She was a day able to identify
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it was Pee Wee and that's when they called him and they sent
her to South Carolina IndustrialSchool for Boys.
Now this is going to be a pattern for Pee Wee gassers
going to several of these facilities for bad behavior.
And it was also kind of interesting too, because Trey
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Reznor's grandfather, I also went to that school and taught
him all of the sounds industry as the industrial School for
Boys barking in this story came from showed up when she saw him.
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The reason why she freaked it out was because the story, the
story about the Trouble trio. Really scared the sister.
I mean, she heard rumors of whatthey were up to.
Now Pee Wee, on the other hand, is building this reputation that
would carry him throughout the rest of his life of South
Carolina as one of the meanest men in the world.
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So he basically got people just saying, yo, he was just mean and
awkward and he liked it like that.
All right, y'all give me one second.
Let me get a refresher right quick.
We will be. I will be right back.
Give me a moment. All right, I am back.
Sorry about that guys. I had to give me something to
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whip my whiskers a second. Get something in my whiskers all
right so anyway, while he was atthis special school, going to
get rehabilitated back in the and in the these schools were
known to be very violent towardsyoung.
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Men and even. Girls out of.
Sexual abuse went through back then, a lot of people talked
about. This essays was going going on
especially in the 40s and feet. Like I said as.
Soon as he arrived in that school, that reform school, he
became property of an older boy named Boss.
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Now they said Boss was very muchhow can I put dominant over
people. He would estate him regular and
was regularly traded for things as insignificant as cigarettes.
That's right. So after about a year of that,
Gaskins gathered up a group of four other boys that he were
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also being traded, and they all escaped together Now, while the
others. Were picked up almost
immediately. Gaskin was able to navigate his
way through the swamps enough tomake it all the way back home,
but he was caught and brought back.
But over the quarter of his fiveyears in reform school, he
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escaped like 4 times and each time it was because of the abuse
and how he was just tired of being someone's put you back.
Now on his last attempt to escape, he made it far enough to
join the travelling carnival. And very interesting to think
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about, you know, like, you know,this kid is being
institutionalized and now he's like on the road to live this
wild carnival lifestyle. So Pee Wee and his former
roommate and abusive. Boss had boss.
Boss had an uncle who worked at a carnival and was able to sit
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up peewee with a job as a rustabout.
Now this is the job where you are sit.
You're the person that sit up and take down the tents and rise
in huge town. And so he was in charge of
making sure that everything is put together properly.
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So everything tense rides are effectively work now.
Boss was there waiting for him ayear.
You know, they put the whole being traded for smokes and all
that. Nonsense in the.
Rearview mirror for now, and no a decade long friendship that
ended only when Boss shot himself.
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And they had a. Funeral.
Home after his entire family died in a trailer fight.
Lord Hammers. So with them being 17, they
still had their whole lives. Ahead of them, while they were
working at the carnival, people met a carny daughter named Mary,
and about her, he said. I was around her and I felt like
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a combination. Of a lamb who couldn't bleed in
a rhino with a four foot a hearton.
But he believed in that. He said I build a Mary.
You see his nice. I married her.
Yeah, but what did he feel like?A lamb that he couldn't bleed?
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A lamb that couldn't bleed a rhino Put the four foot hard on
it. So I guess that's people way of
saying it was romantic. So Mary became the first of Pee
Wee's six wives. And this is one of the odd
things about people when they came to his family or family 6
or or or families of the six wives, he wasn't, from what I
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can tell physically, he wasn't physically abusive to them now.
He was neglectful and ready to abandon them at any second.
But even after knowing everything he's done and even
believing all the bullshit and the final truth, one of his
daughters that was on a documentary has said that she
loved it. And according to later on the
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life what he did, he would travel, he had homes in
different states where he meet and he'll go and see his
different families and put in time.
He actually was weirdly responsible with his family,
which also, you know, kind of reminds y'all of the Gary Ridge,
the Gary Ridgeway and BTKI mean that's what they did.
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It's called separation of life from your actual your actual
psychotic tendency. See a lot of serial killers, and
again, I'm not a certified psychiatrist or psychologist.
A lot of serial killers want to have normal.
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They want to have normalcy, right?
So what they do is they create afacade to have a wife to go home
to, to, to, you know, feel completely normal.
Now, do they divulge all their secrets?
Like, oh, OK, I got to be wife now I'm going to tell her about
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how many people I killed or how often I think about killing
people. No, they don't.
What they do is they suppress itwhen they're around them and
they just. Play the role, but as soon as
nightfall goes or they're by themselves and that urge.
Hits they act on and I mean theyact on.
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So that's why a lot of these serial killers have these double
lives and their wives are never it's oblivious to what they got
going on. So all they know their husband
is out there or trying to. You know, get dressed or
something. Or tinkering the in the shop.
But that's how it was. Then he would go and he'll be
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around for his kids in a way. Yeah.
The daughters are like, you know, I kind of know he done all
them terrible things. But, you know, they would still.
He's still my daddy. That's what they call him.
I mean, that's what they looked at him at.
And he didn't do bad at his children.
You know, he just, you know, took care of him and just killed
other people when people was released about a year later
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because he, you know, decided that it's time to go back to
this reform school, finish up his time and so he could quit
being on a run. In 1950, psychiatrist who
examined Pee Wee wrote a letter to the prison officials.
And in the letter, he strongly stressed that Pee Wee was by no
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means ready to be released to the world, they wrote.
We consider him dangerous and also believe that he has the
homicidal tendencies peculiar toa paranoid type, so that this is
a really Doctor, real Doctor Loomis type, and that's what it
is. I mean he just trying to tell
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him like yo this man is not right.
But anyway, they ignored all that.
They're like, yeah, you'll be all right, you know, dude.
It's still got a whole life. Ahead of him, we let him into
the world, so being fresh out ofreform school, PV career options
was just limited. But that's all right.
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He got his lucky break when he ran into a friend of his from
the inside named Slicked Up, whogot him working with tobacco
fields. Hey, that people.
Hey, what's going on? Sneak.
Yeah, you may Remember Me for mylast name.
Lovely Bird. Yeah, but what's going on?
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And people you want to come withand get into the business of
cancelling. It's a lot of fun.
And then they say. You know they were doing a scam
so they've been working on cahoots with some local.
Tobacco farmers the two would still harvest the tobacco from
the barn, burn it down, burn thebarn down to hide the evidence
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of the theft, and then sell the tobacco upstate.
And there was nothing as cool and as satisfying.
As the smoke coming off of thosedelicious South Carolina tobacco
leaves, Absolutely. Now it was the process to pay
the boys to do it. They were getting the cut and
this is healthy insurance payouts because I remember this
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is a commercial type of contractthat they're selling hopefully.
Selling enough tobacco to make the products that everybody
needs to smoke and if. Everything ain't lining up right
then you got people that's goingto be giving you a problem.
But see, pretty soon slicked up got picked up along with one of
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the landlords. That happens that will you know
that one of the landlords and when you had to slicked up,
which it seems like it's too be difficult to pick.
So anyway, you got the old landlord had gone away with
slick duck. A new land owner came in and the
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new land owner, AKA land yeah, land owner, not landlord came
and the land owner's daughter. So one day as the daughter and a
friend were walking by Pee Wee while he was working, they gave
him a little bit of assess, justa little bit.
You know, nothing too terrible, you know, like, you know, you
don't tell me what to do, blah, blah, blah.
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So in retaliation, Pete Lee losthis temper and hit the girl
twice in the head with a ball. Beat him boy, and cracked us go
over it died. But for the crime assault with
the deadly weapon, Pete, we got five years.
Now people want to know why he had this hammer.
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It was like he had to run his tool belt and everything because
he also did maintenance and things of that nature too.
But nothing prepared Pee Wee on what he's going to have to go to
go through. In an actual prison.
Because in the 1st. Few weeks nobody said a word to
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him and Pee Wee has said that the purpose of this was to make
new me as new prisoners were known as scared and unsure so
they pretty much accept whateverfate befell them.
Once the shoe dropped and the shoe came in the former prisoner
that Pee Wee said had by self the size of his diet as name
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Arthur. The only normal name people
here, yes, and that is almost scary now because you know this
person got a nickname. As a name is not a.
Nickname so all good was or was what people we call a power man
now. This is how it works now this is
back in the now power man now and I want to give y'all
straight because some people that have been to jail and
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served time I've never been to jail.
Not going to say that I'm first in that language, but what I
have studied and researched and talked to people that have been
in jail. Power man.
Back in the. Day were considered to be like
the guys that ran the block or shot callers that ran the jail.
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Every jail has a shot caller or shot caller.
Most of the time it's more than one shot caller calling the
show. They work like a like a cops.
Now there are some prisons that don't have any shot caller but
one and he runs everything. That's one of your smaller
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prisons. He's the big fish.
Nobody's not going to test it. They already know what the what
what it's going to be. But anyway, he would like the
boss for the prison. At any rate.
Once Arthur claimed he he went from being new me to being
nobody, because now he became Arthur's boy.
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Now again, the word boy in prison in the term of when you
turn a hetero man or a man that was had hetero books or hetero
tendencies into a full-fledged female now in jail, what I've
heard these guys make, then theyturn these guys out.
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They make these guys stop wearing extra tight fitting
uniform pants. They make them start putting on
lipstick, start making them shave.
That's right, they make them shave all the time.
They can't have no hair on theirface.
None, because you are supposed to be representing beauty.
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A woman to death make up. The old 9.
So yeah, it's, it's real out there in the, in the, in the, in
the prison world when you becomea boy.
So anyway, he he did not like. Being in this situation.
And he felt like the only way hecould be out of being on the
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property of a power man was become a power man himself.
So a he might have been little, but he still have power to still
make decisions. So this is what caused people to
get his first murder. So he look for the biggest,
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strongest, most feared power manand found it in the form of a
violent psychopath named Hazel Brazel.
Brazel. So far, the meanest people have
been named like it's a Doctor Seuss book.
And that is it. You know, I mean, it's just
being honest, but apparently if you called him Hazel, he'll kill
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you. So you had to go with Brazel.
So Brazel. Everyone called him Brazel all
right, but since a pee wee was so.
Small. He had to be a little sneaky
about it. So now the course of a few weeks
Pee Wee ingratiating himself in the hair, he's just crew
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bringing hot cooked meals. Let's see here.
Let's see here. Trying trying to see.
All right, so he gave him oatmeal, all the stuff he liked.
So anyway, Pee Wee, I don't knowif he's working in the kitchen
or knew someone in the kitchen. He was able to go into the
kitchen and to get a knife. Now he knew that this is going
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to be a tough fight and he also knew that this man have two
people. I mean, she man, didn't have
two. People guarding him at all
times. But luckily for Pee Wee, one of
the guys elsewhere and Hazel wastaking a dump.
Nick. So Caroline, right, We have to
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get a totally new. So anyway, Hazel man is at the
door as he should sit Pee Wee onin because of the fact that
Hazel was taking a dump. And according to Pee Wee, Hazel
farted real loud and grunted andsaid, yeah, looked a little
pissy. And Pee Wee.
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Anyway, he bought us the Hazel. He pulled out the knife and
stuck it in Hazel's neck. And he then pulled it a prophet
with the Adam's apple and openedup.
All right, so it's the King's deal that Elvis, Elvis Presley
set the prejudice and even one of us is going to at least have
a heart attack on the toilet. Yeah, man.
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So anyway, when people got out of solitary confinement, they
had to put him in solitary confinement because of this.
He now is a power man. So I think I'm putting that work
to be A, to be a power man. We we had a school sale, school
settlement in state in jail including.
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Them that he was one of the goodguys we need to do what to do.
On the 19th we got some bad news.
His wife Mary was divorcing him so stuck around for a long time,
about five years. So he decided that he needed to
get picked up ASAP. What I tell you anyway, since he
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was a power man, he was able to call in a few favors, especially
in the barber's disposal sector.So he basically.
Got down into that and yeah, you.
Know anyway you're tired now y'all, so I'm about to.
I will have to. Get more Part 2 on the Part 2.
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We are going to talk about how he slipped off from the prison
trying to patch up things with his woman.
OK to be 48 minutes in, I want to say thank y'all once again
for rocking with me again. This is Part 1 of the series of
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Mr. Gaskins. Part 2 We're going to go in
death about him meeting his second wife and more scope than
he.
What is going on everybody? Welcome to another edition.
You guessed it. You can't make this BS up.
And I want to say before I get started that guys, we have hit a
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And that milestone is, is that we are now at 25 episodes, 25
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I've reached out. To 1 of.
The notorious podcasters got a response back.
So we should be doing some work hopefully in the next couple of
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You know how people's schedule are.
I'm still reaching out to a lot of other podcasters as well.
I'm starting to figure out that I'm not that I'm I'm.
I'm like a diamond in the roof. Because most podcasters that are
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black that do true crime, they always focus on the crime that
is done in the community. I actually like to focus on all
crime of my crime that I try to focus on is not only just the
serial killers. But I also try to focus on the
illegal activities of when people get, you know, fall on
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the drug cartels. And I also like to look at the
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crime is crime. And I feel like that to be a
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And that's what I wanted my podcast to be about anyway.
(01:56):
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I wanted it to be a very open conversation in the true crime
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So with that being stated, I want to tell everybody thank you
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that was also named. Joelle, which is.
Crazy, got the same name I do. Let me go into my comments
section. He left a comment, you know,
just doing his housekeeping before we get started.
I thought it was pretty cool, hesaid.
(02:39):
His podcast is absolutely fire. I love how Joelle really keeps
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That is included in the crime. He commented on the betrayal in
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I hope that you like the reply that I did.
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So today we are going to be talking about a man that is
infamous in the state of South Carolina, especially in the PD
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area. And if you don't know what the
PD area is, I'm from that area and I can tell you what it is.
It's the Piedmont area of Florence, SC Myrtle Beach, SC
Darlington County AKA Darlington.
Darlington Raceway. Let's see here, King Street
area, man it a Little River Myrtle on Myrtle Beach.
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Yeah, PD area to the Inlands. That's what it's all about, man.
So shout out to that area. Bennettsville, Bishopville,
yeah, all that part of the PD area.
If you hear the PD, that's what they talking about.
The great Piedmont area of SouthCarolina.
It's right in the middle of South Carolina.
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You can't miss it. Very, very great area to retire
from. I hope that they have more
opportunities. Than when it was when I was a.
Kid, but I do know it's a good retirement area.
So give me one second here. Let me pull my man's up here
that we're going to talk about the day, the man of the hour of
the guy that still gives people the chills when you say his
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name. All right, I'm talking about to
the point that people like, yo, this cat scares me type of guy.
And I think that you guys will pretty much respect this
gentleman being so near and dearas a legend.
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In the true crime niche, I feel like that if you're going to be
a true crime. Artist, you have to know this
name like you have to do a. Report on him.
You have to know his name, I mean.
I know a lot of. People say, oh, they don't mean
nothing. What do you mean?
Yeah, that's like one of the requirements him and a few
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others you want to do. Yeah, you definitely want to do
their name. Like you don't want to be that
guy that don't do their name so well.
With that being said, we're going to be talking about a man
named Donald Henry, Pee Wee Gaskins.
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That's right, Donald Henry. Pee Wee gasses this guy is.
One of the meanest men in America during his Infinity,
this man was just no one to playwith.
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People was scared to deal with this guy because of his
reputation. Now this is where.
You gonna really flip out about this gentleman?
Henry Gasses was not that big atall.
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OK, let's let's get this right. He was not that big.
He was not what you would call avery huge anything like that.
This guy stood at 5/2 and his weight as an adult was I would
possibly say between 1:35 to 145lbs.
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So he's not a big man, small man, but he has done a lot of
damage. So this is going to be Part 1
about it. So enough of me saying this that
in the third, let me go ahead onand jump into this story because
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you're about to find and meet the mugsy bowls of the serial
killer world and y'all know if you ever seen mugsy bowls play
ball or Isaiah Thomas. Not Isaiah Thomas on the
Pistons, but Isaiah Thomas, the namesake of the guy that played
on the Pistons short peep short guy but could really really
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really play ball. So let's jump into it so.
This 4 foot to. Inch I would say at this point
of the game, 135 LB. A redneck serial killer from
South Carolina and everything. Was one of the.
People that was on a main killing spree, OK And that
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killing spree lasted from 1970 to 1975.
At that time, what has been recorded and proven that Pee Wee
has deleted at least 13 people in the PD Florence County area.
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But according to Pee Wee's personal account in his
biography that he has said he has killed 110 people.
Now the only guy that comes close to actually proving that
feat or being as close to a Pee Wee Gaskins in murder is Samuel
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Little. And I definitely will be doing a
story on Samuel Little in the future on the podcast.
But I'm quite sure Samuel Littleand Pee Wee gasses.
That would be a good battle to see because both of them are
pretty much very evil and very good at their craft when it
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comes to doing this type of thing.
Let me go continue to keep goingon into this story.
Now, the person that wrote this book was named Wilson Earl.
He took the time to organize this whole thing.
He made it into a narrative and the book would not be released
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until Pee Wee Gaskins was executed.
That was what he wanted. And they also said, too, that
when it was time to take out PeeWee Gaskins for his crime, he
was so short he had to literallyclimb into the electric chair.
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Because like I said, he's a small.
Man like us, with the with the bodybuilder of a teenage man, of
a teenage little boy, but at thesame time he was just.
Brutal. Very, very brutal.
All right. So the one thing about it is
about a peewee. That was a known fact as well
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was that he was only 4 lbs at birth and that was why he got
the nickname Peewee. In fact, he didn't even know his
name was Donald until he stood in front of a judge at the age
of 13 and they told him that, yo, you know, this is your name.
You know, this your birth name. But again, Donna wasn't even his
birth name. Like I said before, his real
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name was, you know, and he didn't feel like it.
He didn't know that his name waswas Donna.
He always was called Pee Wee or Junior.
But hey, that's just how it was.So anyway.
We're going to talk about him being a part of the Parrot
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family. He was born on March the 13th,
1933 in Florence County, South Carolina, and his mother name
was Molly Perry. Now, he was known as Pee Wee
Perry throughout his childhood and there's not too much about
his father. They said that his father was
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only known as Mr. Gaskins. He ran like on store on the next
town over. He had some businesses, but what
I was told was been said around the campfire that Pee Wee
Gaskins father, real father, wasmarried and that he just
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basically had a fling with Pee Wee's mom.
And after that fling was over, like back in the day, that's
what they did, you know? Oh, I'm pregnant, my baby.
You better tell you better. I ain't mine.
I ain't the pappy. I got this.
Family over here. My nice wife go to church, look
good in the in the church dresses and stuff.
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I was back in the 30s and 40s and 50's.
The scandals were not like it isnow.
I think if they had Instagram and all that stuff, they would
probably would have just as bad scandals as we had.
But back then people pretty muchtight lipped, you know,
especially women. Women really didn't have a
voice. So if the man told them I ain't
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taking care of this baby and no,you better keep your mouth shut
and don't tell my wife what I got going on.
They just bit their tongue and did that what they supposed to
do. And they tell no one in town who
the baby father was. And sometimes they will look up.
And get a guy that they could possibly, maybe convince
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everybody that that was the father of the child.
So that's when his mother met someone that was a hardened
criminal in their 30s. But anyway, let me get back to
the story. Sorry I got sidetracked on the
writing. So by the time Pee Wee was five
it was already very apparent that something was wrong.
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He had a little bit of an animalmutilation hobby at five years
old. Now he liked to pull the legs
off bullfrogs murder nest full of baby birds and trap full
grown birds just so he could pull the heads off with his bare
hands. Now this was at 5.
Honestly though, you know it, You know he's like 2 feet tall,
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but he's got the strength of a lion, you know what I'm saying?
Now here's the thing about this.This is one of the triads that
they talk about in the serial killer world.
Now, if you haven't never noticed this and I'm not a
psychologist, but I'm just telling you what I have did deep
studying in is that there's three parts of that triad that
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makes you into a serial killer. First triad of that is you like
to hurt and kill animals. Now, when I say like the hurt
kill animals, I'm not talking myold Well, if you're a.
Hunter, you know and you like tohunt.
For you know, for food and stuffand eat animals like certain
game and all of a sudden you're just this evil person.
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Know what I'm talking about is achild that let's say, for
instance, the child sees a puppyand the puppy is don't have an
owner just out there roaming around in things of that nature.
Most people see a puppy. They're like, oh, that's cute,
that's sweet, that's cuddly mom,can I have the puppy?
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But if the child is like oh that's a puppy, I wonder how it
would look if I did. So and so to it.
To make it bleed or to make it die?
And they continue to do this with any animal they encounter.
Now, that's part of that serial killer triad that I'm talking.
So getting back to the story here.
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Oh, so there's not a lot of entertainment at five years old
in 1939 in South Carolina. I mean, the only entertainment
that was back then was the radio.
And you got to understand this is during the Great Depression
too. So you either had to have a lot
of money to have a radio, and you also had to be rich not to
be suffering in the Great Depression at that time.
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And you got to remember too, back then in the South, they
were still using outhouse. If you don't know what outhouses
is, this is where you go and usethe restroom.
It's like a porta potty. But people back then had this
attachment to the outside of thehouse that was the plumbing.
You go to the outhouse, use yourbathroom and do what you got to
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do, and you go back into the main house and usually they
would use, you know, buckets of water from a well or whatever to
flush it, you know, get rid of the waste or whatever have you,
and you'll be able to use the outhouse again.
Pee Wee Gaskins has said that his childhood was filled with
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physical and sexual abuse from the strings of his mother's
lovers. But relatives have said that Pee
Wee was lying that he didn't even get spanked, which was odd
for 1930 S Carolina. Now, I think that the reason why
he didn't get spanked, probably because again, his mother had
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other children she was raising and you got to remember, you
know, she had him out of wedlockfor another man.
I think the other children had different fathers too.
So you coming from that time, you know, as a woman with
multiple fathers and you not been married by one, I was
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extremely frowned upon. So yeah, back then they would be
considered as what you hear a lot of people say that is an
insult. And I'm just being 100, not
trying to be racist, but I'm just telling you what they
looked at it in the South. They looked at it look at him as
like his white trash. Now the family said not only was
he not spanked, he was treated very kindly by the whole.
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Family because of the. Fact that he was so cute and
because him being so cute and and small and full of stature
and had a nice smile that he could get away with anything and
all he had to do is just smile and get what you want.
Now, there's also a story that people told about his childhood
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that even if it isn't true, thatwe don't know for sure, but it's
at least tells you how he saw himself.
And he said that when he was a kid, he went to traveling, went
to a traveling carnival with hismom and his stepdad, a man named
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Hannah Hannah. Now, Hannah was again in his
life, but I don't know how long.So while they were at the
carnival, they swarmed by the reptile town, which boasted a
king cobra cobra as their main attraction.
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Now Peewee said that he watched as the Barker took a rat
out-of-the-box and dropped it inwith the snake, and the Barker
said a cobra will kill even whenit isn't hungry.
Peewee said that as the cobra start this prey, he caught its
eye and threw his own reflectionin the glass.
(19:31):
Pee Wee's face lined up with thecobras and they were kind,
kindred spirits. And in that moment he was hard,
he was hard, he was aroused, andthat just what turned him on.
He liked the fact that this snake could actually do that.
Now again, like I said, a lot ofpeople think.
That this was. Fake.
But some people say that it was true.
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But that's that's just what it is.
Now here's the thing. He didn't get.
A beating from his mother and other people in the family, but
from the kids at school, they were always beating on Peewee
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because of his small statue and everything.
Now he did have a few friends. They all hung out in the old
abandoned shack. They called the they called it
the hideout. And this is what Peewee said
they did there. We would sit around and smoke
cigarettes. That we stole and bran about how
much we kept about. We knew about girls and we
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watched the older boys and learnand again.
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Learn how to jerk off or cornhole or fuck a sheep or goat
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or chicken and we usually end upfighting about something because
we're all so horny, you know? So they have high eating
competitions. It'll be how many pennies you
can fit in your mouth. So basically it just goes to
show you that back then they didn't have no entertainment.
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And that's why a lot of people had a lot of babies back then.
A lot of girls, young girls is getting pregnant all the time
because there's nothing to do. You know, ain't a whole lot of
resources to tell you to wrap itup or whatever.
So everybody just getting busy at getting busy bad getting
busy. So if you don't know what
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cornhole is, when they said cornhole each other, it
basically means that you're pleasing another guy to
masturbate while he pleases you to masturbate.
Now what cornhole is. So that's what he was basically
saying what that meant. It's just just, it's just weird
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stuff because they they were born and had nothing else to do.
So now these guys are bonded by all this and they started
calling themselves the Trouble Trio.
Now at first the Trouble Trio was a lot closer to Porky's than
the Devil's Rejects. For example, the first time they
got in trouble with was for peeping into the outhouse at
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church. That's where you want the
peeping of the old outhouse and people.
We said the best part about looking and doing a little
peeping into the outhouse. You can see the vagina and the
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duty. My God.
Wow, that was fun to them really.
Soon they moved to a more. Serious crime, they do a little
bit of burgling here and there, then breaking the houses, stores
and cars for cash. And most of that money was spent
(23:10):
on trips to Charleston. Now see where the South Carolina
ladies of the night gathered dueto the nearby military base,
which is still there today and functioning very well, is what
Pee Wee said about the experience.
That's how we all three lost ourpussy fuck cherries.
But there was something. God, that is so disgusting.
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So there's something good and it's so disgusting.
That's what he said. Yeah.
Pussy fucked cherries. It's just the little turn of
phrase like because you know, hecalls it when he has regular sex
with somebody, he calls it a love fuck.
It's just it's it's so fucking gross.
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Every bit of it. It's just like into the mind of
like a gross human being, gross,gross human being.
And he he has seen so much more gross than such a 5 foot 2
should be allowed to see. Yeah, it's.
Crazy, but there was something about them whores.
(24:19):
That we didn't like. We agree that jacking off at the
hideout was almost as good. Marsh thought the hideout was
better than the horse. He liked cornhole the younger
boys letting them cornhole him, and he like to, excuse my
expression, suck Dicks. And that final three.
(24:41):
I think Marsh was walking a different path.
In the rest of. The show too.
I would love to hear Marsh's cell pitch.
On this well, they're either having sex with women or going
back and jerking off and staringin the eyes of their male.
Friends. That is so crazy.
You can tell by this last statement that he was starting
to think of women as just objects because he kept calling
(25:06):
him whore. So he he thinking of women now
as objects. He's not thinking of them.
As possible partnership or someone he can have relationship
so anyway. It's about to get real
problematic very soon. So when these boys were about
13, the trio crimes were moved from regular small time Bishop
(25:27):
type stuff to an act of pure evil and disregard that years.
The boy started to wonder what would it be like to have sex
with a virgin? And so all of them lured
Marshall's sister now to their hideout and they.
Violated her and threatened her life if she told anyone.
(25:52):
His own sister. But thankfully though she almost
immediately told her mother and the boys were rounded up by the
Marshes Marshes family and once they were caught they were hung
upside down and marched his backyard and were beaten
mercilessly until they were black and blue and bloody.
(26:12):
Now I want y'all to stop for a minute and understand something.
This is how they did corporal punishment back in the 1930s and
40s in the South. Corporal punishment was brutal.
They will pick up anything to. Tear your behind up.
Your mother may beat your behindwith a metal clothes hanger.
(26:38):
Just got whelps all over you fortalking smack your dad.
May. Took the.
Yeah, this is a true. Story I heard a lot of young a
lot of old heads told me their father did this back in the day
in those times. Took a fan belt off of their
truck or their car. They working on a old utility
(27:00):
belt belt from that car park anduse it to wrap around their
children, spanking them with it until they straighten up.
So yeah, man, it was a different.
Time back then and they did not care how tall you got.
So you could have been 6 foot 6-7 or eight or 9 or even 10,
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towering over your father who might have been like 6 feet even
a six one. He didn't care.
He would still go at your behindlike he was five years old.
So anyway, at this point after that happened, so long after
they dropped out of school, but they already was dropped out of
school because they dropped out of school when it was 11 years
(27:42):
old. OK.
So at that point they just on their own.
And again back then they did nothave no truancy laws where kids
had to come to school. They having that you know if you
didn't come back to school they would assume that you had to
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help out on your parents farm orland.
Now here's another tidbit about back in the day in the 30s and
the 40s and the 50s, if you notice a lot.
Of. That generation of families
would have large families, say large, large families coming to
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eat on Sunday or whatever the weekend on the detail.
And so with that being stated, having a large family like that,
these people were investing in the possibility of farming their
land or doing work around their property.
(28:43):
So if you had a large set of children to do that, to work on
the farm, you got daughters to work in the kids in the house,
it made your life a whole lot easier.
So that's why a lot of black families especially had large
families in those time frames. So while.
Most people would have seen thisbeating of these boys and what
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they did to the girl would have went straight to the police and
pressed charges on for the on the what they did to the girl
and what the boy got done to himfrom the marshals and didn't
work that way. Back in the day it was
considered country justice affair.
(29:27):
The boys were sent back loose. It would remind them that if
they commit a crime around that family again like that, it would
be worse. So that's why a lot of times a
lot of kids straighten up. Some kids would like Pee Wee
Gaskins. Wait till the heat settled down
and you know the town quit talking.
(29:48):
Well, alright, I'm going to go solo.
I'm going to do something else by myself so.
Anyway, at this time he's 13 in 19. 48 on pee.
Wee committed a crime that was sent him to.
His first juvenile Correctional Facility, which right then was
considered the the boys form reform school back then when
(30:11):
they called it. Now he was also getting smart
about his crimes. He would even say in the book
that the first the best time to rob a house was when the family
was either at a wedding or a funeral.
And on that day the family was indeed at a funeral.
One time though, but what Pee Wee didn't expect was that they
left the daughter behind. So anyway, when they walked in,
(30:35):
the girl immediately recognized him, grabbed the hatchet and
started swinging it. Unfortunately though, Pee Wee
had was able to grab it from herand hit hit her square in the
head with the blunt end knockingher out.
Now the girl survived. She was a day able to identify
(30:58):
it was Pee Wee and that's when they called him and they sent
her to South Carolina IndustrialSchool for Boys.
Now this is going to be a pattern for Pee Wee gassers
going to several of these facilities for bad behavior.
And it was also kind of interesting too, because Trey
(31:21):
Reznor's grandfather, I also went to that school and taught
him all of the sounds industry as the industrial School for
Boys barking in this story came from showed up when she saw him.
(31:41):
The reason why she freaked it out was because the story, the
story about the Trouble trio. Really scared the sister.
I mean, she heard rumors of whatthey were up to.
Now Pee Wee, on the other hand, is building this reputation that
would carry him throughout the rest of his life of South
Carolina as one of the meanest men in the world.
(32:04):
So he basically got people just saying, yo, he was just mean and
awkward and he liked it like that.
All right, y'all give me one second.
Let me get a refresher right quick.
We will be. I will be right back.
Give me a moment. All right, I am back.
Sorry about that guys. I had to give me something to
(32:27):
whip my whiskers a second. Get something in my whiskers all
right so anyway, while he was atthis special school, going to
get rehabilitated back in the and in the these schools were
known to be very violent towardsyoung.
(32:48):
Men and even. Girls out of.
Sexual abuse went through back then, a lot of people talked
about. This essays was going going on
especially in the 40s and feet. Like I said as.
Soon as he arrived in that school, that reform school, he
became property of an older boy named Boss.
(33:14):
Now they said Boss was very muchhow can I put dominant over
people. He would estate him regular and
was regularly traded for things as insignificant as cigarettes.
That's right. So after about a year of that,
Gaskins gathered up a group of four other boys that he were
(33:38):
also being traded, and they all escaped together Now, while the
others. Were picked up almost
immediately. Gaskin was able to navigate his
way through the swamps enough tomake it all the way back home,
but he was caught and brought back.
But over the quarter of his fiveyears in reform school, he
(34:01):
escaped like 4 times and each time it was because of the abuse
and how he was just tired of being someone's put you back.
Now on his last attempt to escape, he made it far enough to
join the travelling carnival. And very interesting to think
(34:24):
about, you know, like, you know,this kid is being
institutionalized and now he's like on the road to live this
wild carnival lifestyle. So Pee Wee and his former
roommate and abusive. Boss had boss.
Boss had an uncle who worked at a carnival and was able to sit
(34:51):
up peewee with a job as a rustabout.
Now this is the job where you are sit.
You're the person that sit up and take down the tents and rise
in huge town. And so he was in charge of
making sure that everything is put together properly.
(35:12):
So everything tense rides are effectively work now.
Boss was there waiting for him ayear.
You know, they put the whole being traded for smokes and all
that. Nonsense in the.
Rearview mirror for now, and no a decade long friendship that
ended only when Boss shot himself.
(35:35):
And they had a. Funeral.
Home after his entire family died in a trailer fight.
Lord Hammers. So with them being 17, they
still had their whole lives. Ahead of them, while they were
working at the carnival, people met a carny daughter named Mary,
and about her, he said. I was around her and I felt like
(35:57):
a combination. Of a lamb who couldn't bleed in
a rhino with a four foot a hearton.
But he believed in that. He said I build a Mary.
You see his nice. I married her.
Yeah, but what did he feel like?A lamb that he couldn't bleed?
(36:18):
A lamb that couldn't bleed a rhino Put the four foot hard on
it. So I guess that's people way of
saying it was romantic. So Mary became the first of Pee
Wee's six wives. And this is one of the odd
things about people when they came to his family or family 6
or or or families of the six wives, he wasn't, from what I
(36:44):
can tell physically, he wasn't physically abusive to them now.
He was neglectful and ready to abandon them at any second.
But even after knowing everything he's done and even
believing all the bullshit and the final truth, one of his
daughters that was on a documentary has said that she
loved it. And according to later on the
(37:06):
life what he did, he would travel, he had homes in
different states where he meet and he'll go and see his
different families and put in time.
He actually was weirdly responsible with his family,
which also, you know, kind of reminds y'all of the Gary Ridge,
the Gary Ridgeway and BTKI mean that's what they did.
(37:34):
It's called separation of life from your actual your actual
psychotic tendency. See a lot of serial killers, and
again, I'm not a certified psychiatrist or psychologist.
A lot of serial killers want to have normal.
(37:55):
They want to have normalcy, right?
So what they do is they create afacade to have a wife to go home
to, to, to, you know, feel completely normal.
Now, do they divulge all their secrets?
Like, oh, OK, I got to be wife now I'm going to tell her about
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how many people I killed or how often I think about killing
people. No, they don't.
What they do is they suppress itwhen they're around them and
they just. Play the role, but as soon as
nightfall goes or they're by themselves and that urge.
Hits they act on and I mean theyact on.
(38:40):
So that's why a lot of these serial killers have these double
lives and their wives are never it's oblivious to what they got
going on. So all they know their husband
is out there or trying to. You know, get dressed or
something. Or tinkering the in the shop.
But that's how it was. Then he would go and he'll be
(39:03):
around for his kids in a way. Yeah.
The daughters are like, you know, I kind of know he done all
them terrible things. But, you know, they would still.
He's still my daddy. That's what they call him.
I mean, that's what they looked at him at.
And he didn't do bad at his children.
You know, he just, you know, took care of him and just killed
other people when people was released about a year later
(39:26):
because he, you know, decided that it's time to go back to
this reform school, finish up his time and so he could quit
being on a run. In 1950, psychiatrist who
examined Pee Wee wrote a letter to the prison officials.
And in the letter, he strongly stressed that Pee Wee was by no
(39:48):
means ready to be released to the world, they wrote.
We consider him dangerous and also believe that he has the
homicidal tendencies peculiar toa paranoid type, so that this is
a really Doctor, real Doctor Loomis type, and that's what it
is. I mean he just trying to tell
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him like yo this man is not right.
But anyway, they ignored all that.
They're like, yeah, you'll be all right, you know, dude.
It's still got a whole life. Ahead of him, we let him into
the world, so being fresh out ofreform school, PV career options
was just limited. But that's all right.
(40:32):
He got his lucky break when he ran into a friend of his from
the inside named Slicked Up, whogot him working with tobacco
fields. Hey, that people.
Hey, what's going on? Sneak.
Yeah, you may Remember Me for mylast name.
Lovely Bird. Yeah, but what's going on?
(40:55):
And people you want to come withand get into the business of
cancelling. It's a lot of fun.
And then they say. You know they were doing a scam
so they've been working on cahoots with some local.
Tobacco farmers the two would still harvest the tobacco from
the barn, burn it down, burn thebarn down to hide the evidence
(41:18):
of the theft, and then sell the tobacco upstate.
And there was nothing as cool and as satisfying.
As the smoke coming off of thosedelicious South Carolina tobacco
leaves, Absolutely. Now it was the process to pay
the boys to do it. They were getting the cut and
this is healthy insurance payouts because I remember this
(41:42):
is a commercial type of contractthat they're selling hopefully.
Selling enough tobacco to make the products that everybody
needs to smoke and if. Everything ain't lining up right
then you got people that's goingto be giving you a problem.
But see, pretty soon slicked up got picked up along with one of
(42:06):
the landlords. That happens that will you know
that one of the landlords and when you had to slicked up,
which it seems like it's too be difficult to pick.
So anyway, you got the old landlord had gone away with
slick duck. A new land owner came in and the
(42:27):
new land owner, AKA land yeah, land owner, not landlord came
and the land owner's daughter. So one day as the daughter and a
friend were walking by Pee Wee while he was working, they gave
him a little bit of assess, justa little bit.
You know, nothing too terrible, you know, like, you know, you
don't tell me what to do, blah, blah, blah.
(42:49):
So in retaliation, Pete Lee losthis temper and hit the girl
twice in the head with a ball. Beat him boy, and cracked us go
over it died. But for the crime assault with
the deadly weapon, Pete, we got five years.
Now people want to know why he had this hammer.
(43:13):
It was like he had to run his tool belt and everything because
he also did maintenance and things of that nature too.
But nothing prepared Pee Wee on what he's going to have to go to
go through. In an actual prison.
Because in the 1st. Few weeks nobody said a word to
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him and Pee Wee has said that the purpose of this was to make
new me as new prisoners were known as scared and unsure so
they pretty much accept whateverfate befell them.
Once the shoe dropped and the shoe came in the former prisoner
that Pee Wee said had by self the size of his diet as name
(44:03):
Arthur. The only normal name people
here, yes, and that is almost scary now because you know this
person got a nickname. As a name is not a.
Nickname so all good was or was what people we call a power man
now. This is how it works now this is
back in the now power man now and I want to give y'all
straight because some people that have been to jail and
(44:26):
served time I've never been to jail.
Not going to say that I'm first in that language, but what I
have studied and researched and talked to people that have been
in jail. Power man.
Back in the. Day were considered to be like
the guys that ran the block or shot callers that ran the jail.
(44:47):
Every jail has a shot caller or shot caller.
Most of the time it's more than one shot caller calling the
show. They work like a like a cops.
Now there are some prisons that don't have any shot caller but
one and he runs everything. That's one of your smaller
(45:10):
prisons. He's the big fish.
Nobody's not going to test it. They already know what the what
what it's going to be. But anyway, he would like the
boss for the prison. At any rate.
Once Arthur claimed he he went from being new me to being
nobody, because now he became Arthur's boy.
(45:33):
Now again, the word boy in prison in the term of when you
turn a hetero man or a man that was had hetero books or hetero
tendencies into a full-fledged female now in jail, what I've
heard these guys make, then theyturn these guys out.
(45:57):
They make these guys stop wearing extra tight fitting
uniform pants. They make them start putting on
lipstick, start making them shave.
That's right, they make them shave all the time.
They can't have no hair on theirface.
None, because you are supposed to be representing beauty.
(46:19):
A woman to death make up. The old 9.
So yeah, it's, it's real out there in the, in the, in the, in
the prison world when you becomea boy.
So anyway, he he did not like. Being in this situation.
And he felt like the only way hecould be out of being on the
(46:41):
property of a power man was become a power man himself.
So a he might have been little, but he still have power to still
make decisions. So this is what caused people to
get his first murder. So he look for the biggest,
(47:01):
strongest, most feared power manand found it in the form of a
violent psychopath named Hazel Brazel.
Brazel. So far, the meanest people have
been named like it's a Doctor Seuss book.
And that is it. You know, I mean, it's just
being honest, but apparently if you called him Hazel, he'll kill
(47:23):
you. So you had to go with Brazel.
So Brazel. Everyone called him Brazel all
right, but since a pee wee was so.
Small. He had to be a little sneaky
about it. So now the course of a few weeks
Pee Wee ingratiating himself in the hair, he's just crew
(47:44):
bringing hot cooked meals. Let's see here.
Let's see here. Trying trying to see.
All right, so he gave him oatmeal, all the stuff he liked.
So anyway, Pee Wee, I don't knowif he's working in the kitchen
or knew someone in the kitchen. He was able to go into the
kitchen and to get a knife. Now he knew that this is going
(48:06):
to be a tough fight and he also knew that this man have two
people. I mean, she man, didn't have
two. People guarding him at all
times. But luckily for Pee Wee, one of
the guys elsewhere and Hazel wastaking a dump.
Nick. So Caroline, right, We have to
(48:26):
get a totally new. So anyway, Hazel man is at the
door as he should sit Pee Wee onin because of the fact that
Hazel was taking a dump. And according to Pee Wee, Hazel
farted real loud and grunted andsaid, yeah, looked a little
pissy. And Pee Wee.
(48:46):
Anyway, he bought us the Hazel. He pulled out the knife and
stuck it in Hazel's neck. And he then pulled it a prophet
with the Adam's apple and openedup.
All right, so it's the King's deal that Elvis, Elvis Presley
set the prejudice and even one of us is going to at least have
a heart attack on the toilet. Yeah, man.
(49:08):
So anyway, when people got out of solitary confinement, they
had to put him in solitary confinement because of this.
He now is a power man. So I think I'm putting that work
to be A, to be a power man. We we had a school sale, school
settlement in state in jail including.
(49:29):
Them that he was one of the goodguys we need to do what to do.
On the 19th we got some bad news.
His wife Mary was divorcing him so stuck around for a long time,
about five years. So he decided that he needed to
get picked up ASAP. What I tell you anyway, since he
(49:51):
was a power man, he was able to call in a few favors, especially
in the barber's disposal sector.So he basically.
Got down into that and yeah, you.
Know anyway you're tired now y'all, so I'm about to.
I will have to. Get more Part 2 on the Part 2.
(50:14):
We are going to talk about how he slipped off from the prison
trying to patch up things with his woman.
OK to be 48 minutes in, I want to say thank y'all once again
for rocking with me again. This is Part 1 of the series of
(50:38):
Mr. Gaskins. Part 2 We're going to go in
death about him meeting his second wife and more scope than
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