June 11, 2025 • 68 mins
Summary
This episode delves into the life of Henry 'Pee Wee' Gaskins, a notorious serial killer known for his violent crimes and chaotic life. The conversation explores his early life, criminal beginnings, relationships, time in prison, and the infamous coastal killings he claimed responsibility for. The host provides a detailed narrative of Gaskins' life, highlighting his manipulative nature, criminal activities, and the psychological aspects of his behavior.
Takeaways
Pee Wee Gaskins was known as the meanest man in the US.
He had a troubled childhood that influenced his criminal behavior.
Gaskins escaped prison by hiding in a trash can.
He had multiple relationships that often ended in betrayal.
His time in federal prison connected him with mafia figures.
Gaskins claimed to have killed over a hundred victims.
He had a specific pattern for his killings along the coast.
His criminal activities escalated over time, leading to more violence.
Gaskins' psychological issues manifested as a 'bothersome' urge to commit crimes.
He was able to manipulate those around him, including women and law enforcement.
Takeaways
Pee Wee Gaskins was known as the meanest man in the US.
He had a troubled childhood that influenced his criminal behavior.
Gaskins escaped prison by hiding in a trash can.
He had multiple relationships that often ended in betrayal.
His time in federal prison connected him with mafia figures.
Gaskins claimed to have killed over a hundred victims.
He had a specific pattern for his killings along the coast.
His criminal activities escalated over time, leading to more violence.
Gaskins' psychological issues manifested as a 'bothersome' urge to commit crimes.
He was able to manipulate those around him, including women and law enforcement.
Sound Bites
"You can't make this BS up!"
"He was a small man, but created chaos."
"He murdered for convenience."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Pee Wee Gaskins
05:06 Pee Wee's Early Life and Background
08:42 Pee Wee's Escape from Prison
13:43 Life at the Carnival and Criminal Activities
17:34 Relationships and Deceptions
21:40 The Tennessee Incident and Arrest
24:04 Life in Federal Prison
26:59 Associations with the Mafia
33:55 Post-Prison Life and Continued Criminal Behavior
42:42 The Complexity of Pee Wee Gaskins
47:06 The Coastal Kills: A Dark Journey
51:15 The Mind of a Killer: Pee Wee's Reflections
55:54 The First Kill: A Turning Point
01:00:16 The Claims of a Serial Killer
01:03:29 The Victims: A Grim Reality
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What is going everybody? Welcome to another edition of
You Can't Make This BS Up. This is your host, Joel Davis.
We are back once again trying. To get everybody activated on
this next episode, which we'll be discussing and continuing
where we. Left off about.
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You guessed it. Donald Henry, Pee Wee.
Yes, OK, if you don't know who he is, you will have to go to
Part 1 to get more of an understanding, but I will do a
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So with that being stated, let'sjump into the rest of Part 2.
This is going to be a mini series.
I don't know how many parts I'm going to have.
It is, but I just know that thisguy story is alone.
You you you just cannot do this story in A1 take without not
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giving it justice because you want to give all the details of
what he went through and you can't give it justice doing it
that way. So this is Part 2 of Donald.
Henry Peewee Gaskins, the meanest man.
In the US, so if you have not seen Part 1, I would do a fresh
(05:18):
recap. Current recap of Part 1.
So Part 1, we have noticed how Peewee Gaskins grown up in the
state of Florence, I mean in thestate of South Carolina city,
Florence, SC Florence County. Now I've told you that this
county is back in the day was Florence was always a nice sized
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town slowly growing, slowly building itself up.
While he was in Florence County.He was known to as a kid.
He said that he was abused. And by the way, trigger warning,
there is a lot of SSA and great involved in this.
I have to say it this way. So viewer discretion is advised.
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Alright, so I have to say it that way.
So that way you guys are know what's going on.
So if your sister do that kind of thing, you may not want your
children to listen to it or you may want to keep it in your
ears. But anyway, he said that he was
essayed as a child, but there's a lot of people that know his
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family personally said that was a lie.
That actually Pee Wee Gaskins had the best upbringing for that
time that any kid could wish for, that his mother did not
spank him and actually he was spoiled.
Now we also talked about the PeeWee Gaskins is not a big guy.
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So you may think that someone nicknamed Pee Wee.
You would think that it'll be like some big swole guy that's
about 6 foot 6 and 200 foot pounds.
No pee wee gasses is nowhere near that.
He is on record and I'm going about what I have researched and
what has been consistently brought up.
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He was about 5-2 and his weight was between 1:25 to 145 lbs
soaking wet. He was a small man.
Now I know you're asking yourselves, well, how can this
small man create so much chaos as being a serious.
Well, we will talk about that later as you go on into the
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story. But right now we are to the part
now that Pee Wee Gaskins is currently now in jail.
OK, He he's in jail and he has gotten word that his adorable
wife Mary is wanting a divorce. She's just tired of Pee Wee's
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antics. She's tired of of going back and
forth to to try to to, to take up.
For him in these. In the situation when he goes to
prison, she wants to be free. She wants to be free.
Yeah, that way she had. She just wants to be free.
She's tired of it now. Pee Wee doesn't like that type
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of situation because Pee Wee likes to be in and being in
control. He wants to be the one that says
I'm going to end this not you soI need to get home.
So you would ask yourself well how did Pee Wee decide to get
home? Well, Pee Wee knew that there
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was some guys at the trash compactor of the prison that he
worked at. And give me one second.
Here, show y'all picture of Oh Pee Wee.
My man's Oh Pee Wee, Yes. All right.
So we got that up there. And running so Pee Wee was like,
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I know what I could do. I could talk to these guys and
get them to help me get out of this place.
So this is what I'm going to do.I'm going to say, hey, man, you
know me now. I'm a power man.
He calls himself a power man because back then, I guess
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that's what shot callers was called in Pee Wee's era in the
60s, in early 50s, in the early 50s at this time.
So he tells. Them.
Hey man, I know so much for y'all.
I looked out for y'all this timefor y'all to look out for me.
So basically this is in the late50s.
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So they're like yeah, yeah, surepeople.
We got you man, what you need. And then you like, listen man, I
need you to make sure that y'allcould get me into that garbage
can. Now let me tell you how people
talk to talk real slow. Then they make sure you get me
in that garbage can and make sure that I can get loaded out
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so they won't find me. So they were like, yeah, sure
man, we do that, you know, You know, you, you pee wee baby, we
got you. So Pee Wee goes and get in his
trash can and hide. Now I want y'all to know that in
his trash can, you can imagine how disgusting it stinks in
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there. You got all this rubbish from
the kitchen, all this garbage, but he's in this trash can
covered stuff hidden. Now here's thing about the the
the guards, they don't check thetrash cans because for one of
the trash cans were ridiculouslysmall.
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We're talking about a trash can that may be 4 foot, a little
over 4 feet or right at 4 feet. So you would think in your mind,
ain't no way somebody going to be able to fit in that type of
trash can and get out because the average man back then was
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probably about right now five, 10511.
So that's going to be hard for someone there and that tall to
try to hide in no small garbage can.
So they're like, yeah, that why they don't even check it.
So anyway, my man's getting thistrash can.
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He waits for them to load him into the back of the prison.
Truck. Into the into the truck and
before you know it, he is wishedoff.
Now when he gets to the dog, thedestination of where this truck
is at, right, he's able to hop off the truck.
Now you would think that he did all of this.
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It's going to be like a, a, a fairy tale, right?
He's going to go and be like, all right, Anna came here.
Now I'm going to go to Mary and I'm going to tell Mary that it's
time for her to get her mind right and be with me.
That's not not how that went. By the time Peewee Gaskins gets
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to the location that he is at with that truck, he says to
himself, I don't think it's a good idea to go to Mary right
now because she wants a divorce and I'm on the run and she might
just turn me in. So I think the best thing I need
to do is get on the carnival andthat's what he did.
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Now, when people was on the carnival, he was the guy that
was set up the tents. They called in aroused, but he
also had got trained to be able to help out with the Ferris
wheel. And what does they call that
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thing the Ferris wheel in and back then they call it the
octopus ride, which is the ride that got all the the the all
stretched out with the strings. And you got that one centerpiece
and it's stretched out with the strings and it's got everybody
in a bucket and it goes round and round and round and round
and round. So yeah, so he was in charge of
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that too, because now since out of 10, the owner and the slash
worker that supposed to operate those things would be too drunk.
So yeah, that was his thing. Now while he's in there, people,
y'all remember Now Pee Wee mightbe small, but Pee Wee had the
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gift of gab when it came to women and he knew how to get him
a woman. That was no problem for people.
And at this time, Pee Wee had his eye on A1 particular woman.
And while he had his eye on thatone particular woman, he also
learned a new trait. He learned that he could strip
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and steal cars. That's right.
If you don't know what that means, that means he could be
able to steal the car, strip offthe parts that need to be taken
off the car and sell it or whatever and do the process
again. So people were feeling good
about itself. He was like, shit, man, life is
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good. You know, I'm in the carnival.
I'm I'm doing criminal activities, making money on the
side. Got a little honey that I got my
eye on. Yeah, things good man.
I can't complain right now. Now.
He also had a business partner, a a mentor and partners in the
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business of helping him steal these cars and it was a husband
and wife duo. And it also ran what you call
the girly show. All right, And when you talk
about the girly show, that's basically like back in the day
where the women would, you know,do their little dances where the
little sexy little skippy stuff,you know, which would turn in
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today being the strippers, but that's another story.
I digress. All right, so like I said
before, he still got his eye on this woman, and the woman he got
his eye on was named Junie AliceHolden.
He saw. Her, he was like, I gotta help
him. But then.
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Again and he got with the woman that marriage only lasts 3 weeks
because. Pee Wee got.
Bored. And he wanted.
To return to the carnival now side note, he will tell you that
in these relationships he was. Experienced.
Something. Called a bother AKA he gets the
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urge that he wants to. Do.
Crime or hurt people? He don't want.
To take it out on the people that he dealing with or he
loved, he would just go and leave.
And just. Don't come back to him.
Or if. You do come back to him, he make
sure you got it all out of his system.
But most. Of the time when it came to the
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women. He just didn't.
Come back to him, he just wouldn't did his thing.
Now while that is going on, he meets another woman.
This. Woman is named Betty Jean gates
that's right Betty Jean Gates and let me tell you any woman
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named Betty Jean is usually a mean ass woman so.
Either. That they are Damn, got a gift
for gas. But anyway, see was was a
contortionist. Now you don't know what a
contortionist is. These are women or men that
perform, you know, in the carnival, the circus, and they
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can contort their body to fit into anything super small, super
tight. They they're really good at
doing those type of performancesbecause of how they body is so
limp. But.
She went by. The stage name Zena from
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Xanabar. Now this is not pronounced.
Is not spelled with AZ, it's spelled with an X.
And. It's actually from a town from
South Carolina. And anyway, as soon as Pee Wee
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gets this relationship born withthe Xena female from Zenzibar
who real name is Betty Jean. She decided that she is.
Going. To hustle Pee Wee.
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Now she decided to. Tell.
Pee wee that she needed some money.
To get her. Brother out of jail in
Tennessee. And you?
Know she probably told a sad story, right?
My brother gonna. Need me and tell.
I love my brother so much. I mean, this is family.
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And you know, back then, that's what a lot of women love to say.
People was like, say less, baby,let's go to Tennessee.
Let's get your brother out of jail, OK?
Let's get that bail money and go.
And get him out so pee wee. All in love, ain't even thinking
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anything, checking out anything.He is on the road to head to
Tennessee. Now when they get to Tennessee,
Xena explained that she couldn'tgo to the jail herself because
right now, currently, she got a warrant out for her arrest for a
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forgery and larceny. In.
Tennessee and not dementia. She's an accessory to an armed
robbery in West Virginia and a Grand Theft Auto warrant that
they looking for her in Kentucky.
And she also got burglary charges in Virginia and armed
assault in Ohio. Now, I don't know about you.
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I don't know if that turned pee Wee on more because she was a
bad girl or pee. We should have just stopped for
a minute and say wait a minute here.
No, I'm all the way getting yourbrother out of jail and I'm in
towns where your ass is wanted and I'm also ran away and I know
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I'm hot. I don't think it's gonna work
out. I think.
I think that he should have said, baby, we got bought this
mission. We gotta go back to the
carnival. This ain't gonna work.
But anyway. You know, thinking probably with
his little head downstairs and everything else and seeing this
woman being a contortionist, andI'm quite sure she has done
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some. Extraordinary intimate.
Stuff to. Pee Wee.
Gaskins that he ain't never evenseen.
He decided and tell her OK don'tworry about it I'll go down into
the jail and I'll go handle it. So he go he pays the bail.
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Now as he's paying the bail he'salso was given a task by his
sweet love Xena AKA Betty G. She want him to deliver the
carton of cigarettes to hold herbrother over until he was able.
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To actually. See that the post of the bill
has gone through, so you know pee.
Wee took that money and the cigarettes and did as he was
told, you know. But there's.
A plot to his this shit that manthat he trying to borrow, trying
to bail out is nowhere near Betty Jean brother.
It is Betty Jean husband, I thought, and then hidden inside
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that package of cigarettes on packs and we inside of the
cigarette box, one of those cigarette packs got a race.
And so, by the way, by the time Pee Wee got back to the hotel
for this visit, the whole the husband already used that razor.
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To escape Xena. Out here on the low where nobody
can see her or Pee Wee, Gases atthe time stole the car that Pee
Wee drove up to. To 10.
Bust my man out of the jail got him in the car and well that's
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what problem before they were able to pull off the police were
waiting man and when that happens not only.
Did. Sheila stole the car and and
everything else she read it out.I'm quite sure about Pee Wee was
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the one that stole that car. That she.
Was hopped in driving in even though trying to get her
so-called. Brother.
AKA husband out. Of prison.
So all of a. Sudden Pee Wee found himself
arrested and it was like, Oh yeah, by the way, player, since
you went through state lines with this vehicle.
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That is considered a federal crime.
Now I want to tell you all a side note.
Back back in the day, back in the day, feds ways took a stab
at their crime, at their cases immediately.
They would not let the state getany kind of dibs on it.
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They wouldn't even let them helpthem consult well in few
episodes on few scenarios, but usually the feds is all on it.
So because it is Pee Wee goes straight to a federal prison in
Atlanta. Now one thing.
He said about being in federal prison that it was way more
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easier than the state prison. And he?
Really loved it and not to mention too he said that he
became friends with a group of guys he called the Wise Men, but
also while he was in federal. Prison, you know.
Pee Wee gained a lot of respect with the people he associated
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with and things of that nature and not to mention too.
He was able. To.
Be around the likes of real big time bosses as well that were in
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the mafia area and I'm about to talk about that in a few
moments. Second here, so 1 moment.
Here guys so. Anyway, while he's in there, one
thing that he. Has got acquainted with is the
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New York mafia boss Frank Castillo all right, AKA the
Prime Minister and the reason why?
They call him. That because he basically ran
New York in the Mafia underworld.
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Very. Diplomatically and he also was
no one to mess with when he cameafter you when he I laid down
the law or he came after. Now the reason why this was.
In the mid 50s when Costello gotpicked.
Up for tax evasion charges now Iwant.
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Y'all to understand in the 1950sthey did not have Rico laws for
organized crime for the mafia. They didn't come until like,
literally. The. 70s and and 80s.
The reason why? They could get.
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These guys with no Rico, I didn't think of Rico.
The only thing they could reallyhammer these guys on was with
taxes, tax invasion, because they know these guys had a lot
of money coming in illegally andrackets and stuff like that, and
they know these guys couldn't hide that money legitimately.
Because that was out of 10 I would doubt.
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That these guys had the knowledge back then.
To do something like that, but you know.
They you know. That that's how they got caught
up. It was a tax evasion.
So every time you turn around, that's how they would get them
back in the 50s and 60s. Yeah, so and so is a busted
today tax evasion. So they'll do.
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Their little time and go right back out but anyway while he's
in this Atlanta on prison and everything he was saying that
his reputation of being in the state prison in the Carolinas
and doing all the things he was doing in the anti he had going
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on always escaping and coming back escaping escaping.
It didn't travel to Georgia the next day it over you know what
I'm saying and over there the crime bosses was looking at him
like a hero. You know what I'm saying?
Like, yeah, man, you know, are we really?
We really like how you work now.When he said, he shook
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Costello's hand. You know he.
Said, you know, you have a little hatchet man, and that was
his reputation. That was his nickname.
They call him the Hatchet Man. You know what I mean?
But anyway, I don't know when I heard this story I'm a little
I'm a little suspect because y'all know in the first story we
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talked about how he tried to murder a girl.
With the hatchet. And we?
Know the mafia was real big on you.
Don't hurt women and children. You supposed.
To come back to only the men when you doing doing battle or
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doing hits. So it's kind of hard for me to
kind of believe that Costiello would be comfortable with
dealing with someone like Pee Wee Gaskins in that offense.
I mean, that's just me personally because like I said,
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these guys are really the the last Costa Nostra.
If you ever never heard of that they they they very strict on
their principles. And that.
Made principles about touching women and killing them or trying
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to kill them for no reason. They don't believe in that.
But we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll continue on.
But it's also information on hisbook, The Final Truth, that a
lot of this came out of. So anyway, everybody.
'S starting to think. You know in the book that when
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he said the group of wise men hewere really.
Talking about the Italian mobsters, which were wise guys
when he called them three wise men.
But anyway. The he we talked about that they
would pick his. Brain kind of like how to get
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rid of a body because y'all got to remember that this is how.
Pee Wee. Was known for on for further on
into these stories that he really knew how to make bodies
disappear, especially because a lot of it because there was a
lot of swamp area in Florence County even to this day still.
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In. The South Carolina area now Pee
Wee said that two months after Costello and him and his men
were released from prison. Pee Wee.
Got a package in the mail was anEnglish to Italian to Italian to
English Dictionary, $300 in an address in New York City.
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On Elizabeth St. AK.
Lily, now I do. Believe he got a care package
from the mafia but it was like acome to show up.
But on anyway, I really think that Pee Wee might have.
Associated with these guys and they probably did kind of know
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about his background and everything else, but I really do
believe really do think I reallydon't think that they offered
him a job. I really don't.
Now give me one quick second. Hold on for a second.
I gotta pull some up. All right, let me continue here.
Sorry I had to pull up this restof this script.
So anyway, now Pee Wee said he never made it up there to New
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York City for the offer that they gave him, but he did say in
his book that he wondered how different his life would have
turned out. If he would.
Have took them up their offer and going to New York and work
for them. But again, I really don't
believe this would have actuallyhappened.
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I wouldn't have believed. I don't think that his thing.
Pee. Wee Gaskins.
Had. A learning disability.
When? It comes to, you know, talking
and blending with people, right?But at the same time, he would
have went. To New York.
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And he would have. Tried to do some of the things
that he was trying to do. In South.
Carolina, I don't think Pee Wee would have last not to mention
to. Over there you got those guys
believe in structure and we already know that people we do
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not like to follow anybody's structure.
And he is. Likes to go out on the beat of
his own drum. I think he would have been a
cannon. And I.
Would I would have, I said back then I don't think Pee Wee would
have last not even two months before.
Somebody would have took him outbecause y'all remember now?
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Pee Wee would. Have went to New York and did
what they said. Let's say he would have did this
in the 60s, right? And, and I'm just saying this
before I get back into the main part of the store.
You got to. Remember too, you had upcoming
guys in that time frame too, like Robert Clinch on the
Iceman. Robert Kuklinski.
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I mean think about the big old Iceman would have been told that
he had to get rid of Pee Wee gaskets.
Pee Wee wouldn't stand a chance with Robert Good Glensko.
Robert would have went and wouldhave sized that guy up.
He. Would.
Have went in purposely would have put something to where he
would have took Pee Wee out before Pee Wee would even knew
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what was going on. So I don't think that they were
really going to. Recruit him for anything.
If. He.
If they did invite him to come up, he would have been more like
a crash dummy, like a peon, you know what I'm saying?
Because he's not full Italian and they're not going to make
him a made man. So yeah.
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I just. I just don't see it.
But anyway, getting back to the best of the story, so.
After the monster, the mobsters left Pee Wee Time in prison, he.
Said. Passed uneventfully.
Until. He was released in 1961 and upon
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release, he rented a trailer from his uncle Dewey Perry and
he lived with his cousin Marvin Perry.
So Pee Wee appear respectable ashe was out on parole.
Now, he got a job with a traveling preacher named
Reverend George E Todd. Now please keep that in mind.
Now, he was like the personal driver for Reverend Todd, You
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know what I'm saying? And.
He uses skills that. He learned in the carnival to
set up the revival tents and when he did set that up, while
while, you know, setting those revival tents and stuff up, you
would think that pee wee. Would be.
(34:55):
Around the Reverend. Maybe.
Basically maybe trying to betterhimself so he can not go back to
prison or do any kind of mischief and just behave on
parole. We talk about Pee Wee Gas cause
hell, Nah, Pee Wee ain't doing that.
Pee Wee was like, yo, here's thetown.
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No, I go out here and rob these houses.
You know, it's a small town. Everybody is trying to serve
God. Yeah, my dogs are barking.
Who's out there and what is it on my door?
I mean, alright guys, I am so sorry.
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I had someone come in and I'm not only.
Editing any of this? Because.
I'm just like everybody else in America.
I have a busy family sometime so.
The show. Must go on.
So anyway, during this time you got Pee Wee just looking for the
opportunity to rob the hell out of these people.
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So anyway, at this point he we about 20 though and he walk
around with it. Reverend, he got the robes on
and all this good shit. He.
Looking. Like an altar board?
Maybe a? Protege.
For the Reverend. Tide.
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With this small frame size but. That's just.
How people were playing the gamenow here's some other things
that happened in 1962, pee wee married his third wife, Jerry
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Dolores, but he did not have quite the same passion for her
as he had for. The previous two but pee.
Wee. Said that besides that.
She was gorgeous, she was fine. As hell to him, better looking
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than old women he had. So anyway he robbing these
houses and about a year. And Pee Wee.
Decided to once again upgrade his.
Fuckery and this. One again going to send him back
to prison. So one day he got Pee wee.
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He visited his mother, he stayedat home while she and his wife
went shopping after they left. Pee Wee decide almost on a
predatory type of search to get in some bullshit so he go visit
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the 12 year old girl next door who he knew was at home alone.
Now this is about to be graphic again.
Trigger warning. This young lady was raped by Pee
wee in her own bedroom. Now, when he was caught and
arrested the same day after, thestepfather turned his ass in as
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fast as he could and he knew. It was Pee Wee.
They got. Pee Wee.
So during that time Pee Wee he waited to be processed, this
joker jumped out of an open window box three stories up and
ran away. So anyway, he owned the run
again. So the reason why he didn't hurt
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himself jumping three stories high because first of all Pee
Wee was small. Second of all way, he jumped
that from the process and the where this put on the police
station where he was at or the jailhouse or wherever he was at.
The. Bush was so large, and him being
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so small basically broke a lot of the momentum of.
Caught. Or absorbed the momentum of the
actual junk. So anyway, Pee Wee, head over to
South Carolina border by the way, on the stolen 1960. 2 Ford
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Galaxy. That he.
Actually stole out the parking lot.
So anyway, he. Heads.
Over to the South Carolina border to the north.
Carolina area. Where he he heads.
To the Long Beach reservation. Now let.
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Me tell you about the Long BeachReservation if you haven't heard
of it. The long.
Beach Tribe Indians are in Robertson County in Scotland
County of North Carolina. Most of the time you can find
them in the following cities youcan.
Find them in, I want to say Max Maxwell.
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I may be. Wrong.
Maxine, North Carolina. I may be wrong.
I know they're in Lumberton, NC.I know they're also in some also
in Fayetteville, NC. These people skin are almost
like bronze and the women that are on the Lumbee tribe are very
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most of them I've ever came across the scene are very
gorgeous looking women. I'm being dead serious in the
face. They're.
Very. Gorgeous women, some even have a
nice figure if you into that type of exotic woman.
Now. When he made it over there, he
found him his exotic woman namedLanny.
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Oxy. Dyne another side note that is.
The Lumbee. Tribe, most of them are going to
be named two last things that are real major in the Lumbee
tribe that is Locklear and Oxy Dyne.
So if you hear anyone says I'm an Oxy Dyne or I'm a Locklear
and I'm from Lumberton, NC, Yeah, they are Lumbee.
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But I tell you what, you need tocheck out that Lumbee tribe
events because boy, when you go on the reservation they have
those special events is lit thatfood and that BBQ is lit.
All right, let. Me keep all going so anyway this
this once again, the five foot two Casanova done got her all in
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love. You know what I'm saying?
And you know she she really like.
What she? Saw.
She really did. She really liked what she saw
and she knew that, you know, this is this.
I could, I could work with with,with this, with this pee wee
guy, you know what I mean? So anyway, so anyway, once
again, this marriage, I don't know what it is about him in
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weeks, in the three weeks or thethree months.
His marriage only lasts 3 months.
And then pee wee, like, hey, listen, baby, you know, I gotta
go. I'm going to the store and I'll
be right back. But now he says he does this
because he got this heavy burden, this bothersome that
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stirring around inside of him. It.
Seems to be coming. From often the older that he
said he got and. He didn't know.
How to deal with it? So that's why he would leave.
That's why. He didn't want to hurt nobody.
So anyway. Again.
I got dogs bark in the background guys.
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So him being a full time criminal and him always
disappearing was. Just his MO now.
Here's some other things about Pee Wee that nobody doesn't know
about. Some more tales before we
proceed on. That y'all need to know about.
Pee Wee did not drink at all. He loved hanging out on Honky
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Tonk because I guess he's just like looking at the chaos.
So also too, another thing aboutPee Wee is that he was more than
just a mass murderer or a serialkiller, but he's more like a guy
that murdered. For.
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Convenience. There's always a angle for him.
It's either the angle to. Either satisfy.
The urge or. He's.
Scared. That someone's going to do
something. No, too much and it could ruin
it. Could see him back to going
behind bars and you'll. Understand this when you I'm
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going to try to put links. In the description when Peewee
gave his interview on the final truth in 1989 and 1990 and the
baby on the behavior science unit from the FBI and serial
killers in general. And then not to mention too, you
(44:13):
gotta look at he also had a veryspecial interview with Donahue.
Now if you don't know who Donahue is, you kids that's
that's way, way young Gen. Z kids.
Donahue was real big for us Gen.Xers and Millennials.
(44:36):
Before you had Jerry Springer, Maury Povy, you had Donahue.
And you also had, Oh my God, theother guy that just gets on my
nerves, man. Oh man, He a.
(44:56):
Spanish guy I got, I forgot whathis name but I know he was.
Wrong with jumping the comment. Section Y'all remember the guy,
the Spanish guy that used to be a lawyer and he had his own
show? I want to say Herrado.
I might be right, might be Herrado.
But anyway, yeah, those guys were the one that was in in the
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running along with Oprah Winfrey.
Those was the three main guys that was on there.
Before my telling all them started joining the clique.
But he also would say in the mind, in the final truth about
what it takes. To take a life, he said.
Get in the guts and balls to do.Kill.
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Someone just to please pleasure yourself is the only difficult
part. Once you've done the 1st and
come to know that real special feeling, you can't hardly wait
till another better idea comes and leads and pulls and pushes
you into what takes you up into another place and even higher
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than you ever been before. So basically if you hear that
response, it's like a drug addict, like a crackhead or even
someone that strung out on methamphetamines or heroin
chasing that first high. They get that first high off of
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doing something and they just addicted to it.
They chasing that high. They want that first one they
ever got. And that's what it seems like he
when he talks about murder, whatpeople was really talking about
also too. Is the concept of escalation
that pushes you to commit. That.
Official awful crime of murder. Because.
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Once you you, you do it at. What happens now?
Here's another thing that we. Talk about the next phase of.
What pee? Wee.
Gaskin does. And he?
Called it the coastal kills. So.
After Pee Wee was eventually rearrested.
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Because. His fourth wife decided to turn
him in when she find out all thestuff that he had done.
Now this is the Lumby chick. She was like.
Yo, I can't. I can't.
And he should have known that That wasn't going to sit well
with a woman. That's a Lumby, part of the
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Lumby tribe. They all about honor.
And they all. About doing not, you know, not
hurting people and things of that nature.
So anyway, he winds up going back to state prison.
And let me tell you, he finds out that the state prison, is it
what it was when he was back there back like 10.
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Plus. Years ago.
Ain't no such thing as Power mananymore.
They go about what your nicknameis, Player, and so since Pee Wee
had his nickname, that means youhad a reputation.
So that's. How that was, he said once again
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he imprisoned, he didn't like itin there was very boring
basically, and not to mention tohe had already.
Killed a. Man in their name, Hazel
Buzzell. And so, you know, he just felt
like, OK, and this ain't no nothing challenge.
But let me tell you, while Pee Wee was born, he was a model
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prisoner. He was so much of A model
prisoner that the warden took time and wrote a recommendation
that Pee Wee would needs to be back into the free world and he
could be absolutely productive. Isn't that hilarious, Ain't it?
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So anyway, 1968, he's 35 now. Pee Wee was back on the streets
of South Carolina now. During the.
Day. Pee Wee.
Got another job working as a roofer, you know, fixing on
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roof, smiling, talking to people.
Yeah, but when it came to nighttime pee Wee Gaskins was a
thief. Baby.
I'm talking about he's stealing cars and he's stripping him down
because that's what he know to do.
But he had that thing that he called the bothersome this.
(49:44):
AKA. That urge, it is growing strong.
I mean, he said. It was so massive it rolling
around in his gut. Up to his spine.
And his head down again, he saidsometimes he'll hurt to his
balls behind his eyes. Yeah, it don't seem like the
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media buddy that sound like to me that that, that ain't no
urge. That's more like.
Evil inside. Of you telling you that it's
time to go to work, play that what that is that.
That ain't nothing. Nothing medical can fix that
shit. So anyway, he was also, you
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know, just dealing with this hurt.
So with the coastal kills, as P we call them, began, but we go
into death about this. People said there is still no
confirmation that these coastal kills.
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Ever existed, but then again. But this, because you can't
confirm it, I wouldn't say it's not true because you're dealing
with someone like Pee Wee Gaskins.
I'm nothing. You can't put nothing past.
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All right, guys, give me one moment here.
I will return short. All righty.
So again, that's just my personal.
Opinion. I know a lot of writers has said
that they had talked about thesemurders based upon what Pee Wee
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had said, but they didn't have no facts to back it.
And I'm just going to tell you like this, I'm going to tell you
there's no facts to back it. But I'm not going to say that
it's not true. Because you got to remember Pee
Wee Gaskins did had a lot of time on his hands and him
traveling back and forth and. Leaving.
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The house and not coming back between spouses and other family
members that he was dealing with, young other women he was
dealing with. Yeah, I would not put it past
now. All Pee Wee wanted.
Everybody. To know and wanted out of all of
this and his legacy is to be known as one of the meanest.
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Men. In the history of the US.
And. He actually pulled it off based.
Upon the things he did. And that's.
Why he made sure that that book was released the way it was and
a lot of people think that he released the book after his
death because not only he didn'twant to be questioned about all
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the things that he stated in that book in crimes he was
involved. He didn't want to look like he.
Was not credible. I don't think that what it.
Was I think that the reason why?Me personally think that he
released that book after his death which is spoiler alert, he
does get executed. He does this because he wants he
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wanted to. Create that I'm still here
beyond the grave effect. That's what I personally think.
I think that he. Wouldn't.
Have cared he got interviewed because he could easily shut
down the interview if that was what he's afraid of now pee wee
said that this bothersome when it came to being a coaster
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killer that. He.
Left his house to prevent him from hurting any body in his
family and he would now. I want y'all to understand too
during this phase when he got out this last time here.
That he. Had acquired a lot of families,
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or I would say women that he was.
Dealing with and the women that he was dealing with on and off
the record, he was known to spend time with that family and
be at peace. He wasn't.
Trying to hurt nobody or think like that he was just literally
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enjoying his family. But anyway.
He. We.
Would drive by himself up and down the Carolina coast on high
US Hwy. 17 that's from Wilmington, NC to Charleston, SC
and it would also can lead you into the.
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The. Grand Strand, South Carolina.
Going towards Myrtle Beach then.He started picking up
hitchhikers. And.
That was really well known back in the late 60s all the way up
into the 70s. Now.
I know you guys going to ask before side note and I got every
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answer that well why the hell did people hitchhike back in the
60s and all the way up into the late 70s and possibly early 80s?
It was a different time back then.
Everybody wanted to hitchhike. Now most of the time it was
white Americans when I've researched and found out that
would hitchhike and get where they needed to go.
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But most of the time the the people that they hitchhike with
would, you know? Get to the location.
Drop you off, Wish you. On your way it was like a.
A A A rite of passage. Lot of kids would run home.
And pack their bags and Oh yeah,can I catch you around with you?
And they catch you around with this.
Person this person drop them offand sometimes.
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You all spark lifelong friendships.
Nope. Person might.
Say, hey, you know I'm in town. You need anything?
I got you, man. I'm yawning now.
But. Anyway, he said.
That he would, and this is a trigger warning, again, view his
discretion. His advice?
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He would masturbate while he thought about hanging all the
girls. That would.
Say no to him upside down by their feet.
And whipping them just like theyhad been done to him when he was
a kid. Now we talked about.
The. Whipping he got and that was for
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doing what he did with the younggirls, but that's another story
in Part 1. Don't want to sport Part 1 but
anyway. But what really stopped Pee Wee
every time from doing that was the threat of prison.
If the women. Went to the police afterwards
but one day a realization hit him what he actually called his
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quote UN quote miracle he was said that he took off to Myrtle
Beach one Sunday in 1969 when the pain again talking about
that urge it's so. Aggressive now, people said on
that day he picked up a girl, gave her the same proposition of
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money for sex, and once again the answer came back is no.
So Pee Wee said fine. But I got to turn down this dirt
Rd. 1st to drop you off and Pee Wee said.
He pulled over, stared at her and had his moment of
realization. He said quote, what I had to do
was kill her. I remember smiling to myself and
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wondered why I never thought of that before.
So when she reached down to get her duffel bag, Pee Wee said he
punched her in the side of the head three times.
And when she was out, he took off her belt and tied her hands
around her back. And.
There and here is where, let me let me see here and this and
(57:54):
here's where we all have. Have.
You like shook. So anyway, he would talk about
how it was hard for him to sleepand everything else.
So for the next week and a half to be able to get himself able
to sleep. And again trigger warning.
This is graphic. A few discretion is advised so.
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Anyway, to get himself to sleep he got her outside the truck and
on the ground and when she woke up he said he sliced one of her
nipples off but it put it between his front teeth and
smiled at her. And when she screamed, he said
he shoved it in her mouth and. Made her eat it.
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Oh my God. And then he.
Said that he put her back in thetruck and drove down to a marsh,
brought her back out. Bend her over and he shoved an
8. 11 inch blade into her vaginal area and sliced up and
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he said she still survived. Then he said he chained it to a
pipe pine limb with a heavy locking chain, dropped her into
the water with the pulley and watched as the bubbles no longer
rolls to the surface. And that's really the only way
where it does sound. Very true, because they were
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stripping. There is.
Something in the motion and withthe pill in the pulley in the
chain, that he had done again and again.
And I. Don't think whether or not.
He. Then made-up and and like.
Just crazy now he. Said he drove away, stopped at a
(59:46):
trucks cafe, had the biggest stake on the menu.
And. Drove all the way home.
That very night, playing the radio as loud as he could and
singing. Along with the whole time, well,
I think it was actually actuallya big state.
So anyway, at this time Pee Wee said, now let's start with one
(01:00:11):
of the big problems in this. So again he talks about get back
to what he said. About this part by his actions
on the podcast. On the book.
That he had 100 plus victims. Right.
There, he claims he said he picked up all the victims on the
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Carolina coast off Hwy. 17, and then he said he would dump
bodies at various places in the swampy areas.
Further inland. Near.
Towns like PD. Finley, Dove.
Bluff. And catch up town and.
See what else? But anyway, he swear out that he
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had dead bodies in the. Swamps all the way through now
when it comes to his victims. He said.
He had done everything to his victims.
That you can think of, from burning with acid to running
cables through the body and hanging them.
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A feeling. They're all.
Orifices but. Anyway, but on anyway with him
doing all this, you know. OK, here we go again, guys.
Hold on. River, It's not what happened,
buddy. Trying to record, I went.
Out there go. But but on anyway, he also
talked about his victim. Now he would.
(01:01:42):
Say that after running the cables through their bodies, he
would hang them in trees, fill in their overseas with this
molted plum bomb where he's getting up the way that that
means exactly it was led, so he would.
Take this lead, he melted and he'll put it inside of these
people, which is like crazy. And then he would talk about how
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they would die too quick so he wouldn't do that ever again
anyway. Then there was a woman named
Jennifer Bianchi. Well, he used a syringe to fill
the woman full of Drano and so. That being stated, it just
showed how twisted this man really is so.
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With the 170 so so to give you an idea from the.
Same man, Peewee gasket. With a. 173 mile stretch of Rd.
He starts. His killing spree from 1969 to
1975. OK.
That is a. Six year span.
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He said he killed 3 by Christmasin 1969 already, and then in
final truth he alternates throughout between saying he
killed an average every six weeks or around the 10th of each
month. For some reason it was always
around the 10th of each month that he started getting the
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bothersomeness. And when?
He would go out, it was basically near whenever he was
looking to pay out his rent or looking for his rent check.
So. This, this is just wanting to
tell you this is what this man is saying.
But that's a lot of dumping for that long.
But anyway, getting back to thisstory now, most of these women
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that he said he was targeting were people.
He basically thought was not going to get missed trying to
clear my throat. So here's another one that got.
Murdered at least half fence, but they begin in 1970 and
that's when people were 37 yearsold.
With. Patricia and off Brooks and
Janice Kirby, his own niece now.This.
(01:04:01):
One is real, according to Pee Wee.
'Cause he ran into Janice and Patricia one night at a local
burger joint where he found Janice and drunk had drunk and
drank a few too many beers. She passed out on and and stuff
with the girls were with they was they active on Pee Wee
(01:04:25):
could. They asked.
To on Pee Wee could take care ofher and.
He was obliged so again. You know, Pee Wee offered to
take take the girls. And get some coffee.
And when he did? Janice puked all over herself in
the car, so Pee Wee offered to take her back on the clean
(01:04:48):
herself up. And that's when Pee Wee said he
made a decision again. Trigger warning guys.
To rape them instead of taking them back to his house, he took.
Him out, he took them out to an old rundown tenant house that he
knew of out of the country, and he lured the girls into a false
(01:05:11):
sense of security. Then he.
Pulled a knife on Janice, putting it up to her throat, but
the attempt failed when Patriciaslammed Pee Wee in the back of
the head was a 2 by 4. All.
Right. And the two.
Ran. Out the woods, however, Pee Wee
soon caught up. He fired a shot in the air and
(01:05:32):
led him back to the house, but the.
Girls weren't done. After another struggle, Peewee
knocked out both girls. To to this.
Pistol rendering them both unconscious and half dead.
And that's what he said. He decided he had to kill them
(01:05:55):
now. He said we're going to see yes
and that and this. Is that you're going to say here
is true. This is what?
Shows normal serial killer thinking anyway after after he
did this so anyway. We're going to.
Wrap this up now for here. We're.
(01:06:16):
Going to go. Into further talking about what
he did to his. Nieces.
So anyway, I'm going to, you know what, I'm going to finish
it up. So after knocking out the girls,
Peewee left Janice at the house and locked Patricia in the trunk
of his car. And then?
He went to evade get home he knew of that, had a septic tank
(01:06:40):
and somehow managed to get the con cement lid off the top.
This is what? He said he did.
Next he planned to crack the score open to make sure she was
dead, but he decided that I would make too much of a big
mess, so he just lured her into the sludge and waited until, OK,
(01:07:02):
let me get sludge and waited until there wasn't any more
bubbles. They're not.
Push the cement lid back in place, you know.
So anyway, that way you put the bodies in it in the sip tank.
And we're going to get from there guys.
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So with that being stated, let'sjump into the rest of Part 2.
This is going to be a mini series.
I don't know how many parts I'm going to have.
It is, but I just know that thisguy story is alone.
You you you just cannot do this story in A1 take without not
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giving it justice because you want to give all the details of
what he went through and you can't give it justice doing it
that way. So this is Part 2 of Donald.
Henry Peewee Gaskins, the meanest man.
In the US, so if you have not seen Part 1, I would do a fresh
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recap. Current recap of Part 1.
So Part 1, we have noticed how Peewee Gaskins grown up in the
state of Florence, I mean in thestate of South Carolina city,
Florence, SC Florence County. Now I've told you that this
county is back in the day was Florence was always a nice sized
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town slowly growing, slowly building itself up.
While he was in Florence County.He was known to as a kid.
He said that he was abused. And by the way, trigger warning,
there is a lot of SSA and great involved in this.
I have to say it this way. So viewer discretion is advised.
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Alright, so I have to say it that way.
So that way you guys are know what's going on.
So if your sister do that kind of thing, you may not want your
children to listen to it or you may want to keep it in your
ears. But anyway, he said that he was
essayed as a child, but there's a lot of people that know his
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family personally said that was a lie.
That actually Pee Wee Gaskins had the best upbringing for that
time that any kid could wish for, that his mother did not
spank him and actually he was spoiled.
Now we also talked about the PeeWee Gaskins is not a big guy.
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So you may think that someone nicknamed Pee Wee.
You would think that it'll be like some big swole guy that's
about 6 foot 6 and 200 foot pounds.
No pee wee gasses is nowhere near that.
He is on record and I'm going about what I have researched and
what has been consistently brought up.
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He was about 5-2 and his weight was between 1:25 to 145 lbs
soaking wet. He was a small man.
Now I know you're asking yourselves, well, how can this
small man create so much chaos as being a serious.
Well, we will talk about that later as you go on into the
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story. But right now we are to the part
now that Pee Wee Gaskins is currently now in jail.
OK, He he's in jail and he has gotten word that his adorable
wife Mary is wanting a divorce. She's just tired of Pee Wee's
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antics. She's tired of of going back and
forth to to try to to, to take up.
For him in these. In the situation when he goes to
prison, she wants to be free. She wants to be free.
Yeah, that way she had. She just wants to be free.
She's tired of it now. Pee Wee doesn't like that type
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of situation because Pee Wee likes to be in and being in
control. He wants to be the one that says
I'm going to end this not you soI need to get home.
So you would ask yourself well how did Pee Wee decide to get
home? Well, Pee Wee knew that there
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was some guys at the trash compactor of the prison that he
worked at. And give me one second.
Here, show y'all picture of Oh Pee Wee.
My man's Oh Pee Wee, Yes. All right.
So we got that up there. And running so Pee Wee was like,
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I know what I could do. I could talk to these guys and
get them to help me get out of this place.
So this is what I'm going to do.I'm going to say, hey, man, you
know me now. I'm a power man.
He calls himself a power man because back then, I guess
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that's what shot callers was called in Pee Wee's era in the
60s, in early 50s, in the early 50s at this time.
So he tells. Them.
Hey man, I know so much for y'all.
I looked out for y'all this timefor y'all to look out for me.
So basically this is in the late50s.
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So they're like yeah, yeah, surepeople.
We got you man, what you need. And then you like, listen man, I
need you to make sure that y'allcould get me into that garbage
can. Now let me tell you how people
talk to talk real slow. Then they make sure you get me
in that garbage can and make sure that I can get loaded out
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so they won't find me. So they were like, yeah, sure
man, we do that, you know, You know, you, you pee wee baby, we
got you. So Pee Wee goes and get in his
trash can and hide. Now I want y'all to know that in
his trash can, you can imagine how disgusting it stinks in
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there. You got all this rubbish from
the kitchen, all this garbage, but he's in this trash can
covered stuff hidden. Now here's thing about the the
the guards, they don't check thetrash cans because for one of
the trash cans were ridiculouslysmall.
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We're talking about a trash can that may be 4 foot, a little
over 4 feet or right at 4 feet. So you would think in your mind,
ain't no way somebody going to be able to fit in that type of
trash can and get out because the average man back then was
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probably about right now five, 10511.
So that's going to be hard for someone there and that tall to
try to hide in no small garbage can.
So they're like, yeah, that why they don't even check it.
So anyway, my man's getting thistrash can.
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He waits for them to load him into the back of the prison.
Truck. Into the into the truck and
before you know it, he is wishedoff.
Now when he gets to the dog, thedestination of where this truck
is at, right, he's able to hop off the truck.
Now you would think that he did all of this.
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It's going to be like a, a, a fairy tale, right?
He's going to go and be like, all right, Anna came here.
Now I'm going to go to Mary and I'm going to tell Mary that it's
time for her to get her mind right and be with me.
That's not not how that went. By the time Peewee Gaskins gets
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to the location that he is at with that truck, he says to
himself, I don't think it's a good idea to go to Mary right
now because she wants a divorce and I'm on the run and she might
just turn me in. So I think the best thing I need
to do is get on the carnival andthat's what he did.
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Now, when people was on the carnival, he was the guy that
was set up the tents. They called in aroused, but he
also had got trained to be able to help out with the Ferris
wheel. And what does they call that
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thing the Ferris wheel in and back then they call it the
octopus ride, which is the ride that got all the the the all
stretched out with the strings. And you got that one centerpiece
and it's stretched out with the strings and it's got everybody
in a bucket and it goes round and round and round and round
and round. So yeah, so he was in charge of
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that too, because now since out of 10, the owner and the slash
worker that supposed to operate those things would be too drunk.
So yeah, that was his thing. Now while he's in there, people,
y'all remember Now Pee Wee mightbe small, but Pee Wee had the
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gift of gab when it came to women and he knew how to get him
a woman. That was no problem for people.
And at this time, Pee Wee had his eye on A1 particular woman.
And while he had his eye on thatone particular woman, he also
learned a new trait. He learned that he could strip
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and steal cars. That's right.
If you don't know what that means, that means he could be
able to steal the car, strip offthe parts that need to be taken
off the car and sell it or whatever and do the process
again. So people were feeling good
about itself. He was like, shit, man, life is
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good. You know, I'm in the carnival.
I'm I'm doing criminal activities, making money on the
side. Got a little honey that I got my
eye on. Yeah, things good man.
I can't complain right now. Now.
He also had a business partner, a a mentor and partners in the
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business of helping him steal these cars and it was a husband
and wife duo. And it also ran what you call
the girly show. All right, And when you talk
about the girly show, that's basically like back in the day
where the women would, you know,do their little dances where the
little sexy little skippy stuff,you know, which would turn in
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today being the strippers, but that's another story.
I digress. All right, so like I said
before, he still got his eye on this woman, and the woman he got
his eye on was named Junie AliceHolden.
He saw. Her, he was like, I gotta help
him. But then.
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Again and he got with the woman that marriage only lasts 3 weeks
because. Pee Wee got.
Bored. And he wanted.
To return to the carnival now side note, he will tell you that
in these relationships he was. Experienced.
Something. Called a bother AKA he gets the
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urge that he wants to. Do.
Crime or hurt people? He don't want.
To take it out on the people that he dealing with or he
loved, he would just go and leave.
And just. Don't come back to him.
Or if. You do come back to him, he make
sure you got it all out of his system.
But most. Of the time when it came to the
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women. He just didn't.
Come back to him, he just wouldn't did his thing.
Now while that is going on, he meets another woman.
This. Woman is named Betty Jean gates
that's right Betty Jean Gates and let me tell you any woman
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named Betty Jean is usually a mean ass woman so.
Either. That they are Damn, got a gift
for gas. But anyway, see was was a
contortionist. Now you don't know what a
contortionist is. These are women or men that
perform, you know, in the carnival, the circus, and they
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can contort their body to fit into anything super small, super
tight. They they're really good at
doing those type of performancesbecause of how they body is so
limp. But.
She went by. The stage name Zena from
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Xanabar. Now this is not pronounced.
Is not spelled with AZ, it's spelled with an X.
And. It's actually from a town from
South Carolina. And anyway, as soon as Pee Wee
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gets this relationship born withthe Xena female from Zenzibar
who real name is Betty Jean. She decided that she is.
Going. To hustle Pee Wee.
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Now she decided to. Tell.
Pee wee that she needed some money.
To get her. Brother out of jail in
Tennessee. And you?
Know she probably told a sad story, right?
My brother gonna. Need me and tell.
I love my brother so much. I mean, this is family.
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And you know, back then, that's what a lot of women love to say.
People was like, say less, baby,let's go to Tennessee.
Let's get your brother out of jail, OK?
Let's get that bail money and go.
And get him out so pee wee. All in love, ain't even thinking
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anything, checking out anything.He is on the road to head to
Tennessee. Now when they get to Tennessee,
Xena explained that she couldn'tgo to the jail herself because
right now, currently, she got a warrant out for her arrest for a
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forgery and larceny. In.
Tennessee and not dementia. She's an accessory to an armed
robbery in West Virginia and a Grand Theft Auto warrant that
they looking for her in Kentucky.
And she also got burglary charges in Virginia and armed
assault in Ohio. Now, I don't know about you.
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I don't know if that turned pee Wee on more because she was a
bad girl or pee. We should have just stopped for
a minute and say wait a minute here.
No, I'm all the way getting yourbrother out of jail and I'm in
towns where your ass is wanted and I'm also ran away and I know
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I'm hot. I don't think it's gonna work
out. I think.
I think that he should have said, baby, we got bought this
mission. We gotta go back to the
carnival. This ain't gonna work.
But anyway. You know, thinking probably with
his little head downstairs and everything else and seeing this
woman being a contortionist, andI'm quite sure she has done
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some. Extraordinary intimate.
Stuff to. Pee Wee.
Gaskins that he ain't never evenseen.
He decided and tell her OK don'tworry about it I'll go down into
the jail and I'll go handle it. So he go he pays the bail.
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Now as he's paying the bail he'salso was given a task by his
sweet love Xena AKA Betty G. She want him to deliver the
carton of cigarettes to hold herbrother over until he was able.
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To actually. See that the post of the bill
has gone through, so you know pee.
Wee took that money and the cigarettes and did as he was
told, you know. But there's.
A plot to his this shit that manthat he trying to borrow, trying
to bail out is nowhere near Betty Jean brother.
It is Betty Jean husband, I thought, and then hidden inside
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that package of cigarettes on packs and we inside of the
cigarette box, one of those cigarette packs got a race.
And so, by the way, by the time Pee Wee got back to the hotel
for this visit, the whole the husband already used that razor.
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To escape Xena. Out here on the low where nobody
can see her or Pee Wee, Gases atthe time stole the car that Pee
Wee drove up to. To 10.
Bust my man out of the jail got him in the car and well that's
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what problem before they were able to pull off the police were
waiting man and when that happens not only.
Did. Sheila stole the car and and
everything else she read it out.I'm quite sure about Pee Wee was
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the one that stole that car. That she.
Was hopped in driving in even though trying to get her
so-called. Brother.
AKA husband out. Of prison.
So all of a. Sudden Pee Wee found himself
arrested and it was like, Oh yeah, by the way, player, since
you went through state lines with this vehicle.
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That is considered a federal crime.
Now I want to tell you all a side note.
Back back in the day, back in the day, feds ways took a stab
at their crime, at their cases immediately.
They would not let the state getany kind of dibs on it.
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They wouldn't even let them helpthem consult well in few
episodes on few scenarios, but usually the feds is all on it.
So because it is Pee Wee goes straight to a federal prison in
Atlanta. Now one thing.
He said about being in federal prison that it was way more
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easier than the state prison. And he?
Really loved it and not to mention too he said that he
became friends with a group of guys he called the Wise Men, but
also while he was in federal. Prison, you know.
Pee Wee gained a lot of respect with the people he associated
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with and things of that nature and not to mention too.
He was able. To.
Be around the likes of real big time bosses as well that were in
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the mafia area and I'm about to talk about that in a few
moments. Second here, so 1 moment.
Here guys so. Anyway, while he's in there, one
thing that he. Has got acquainted with is the
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New York mafia boss Frank Castillo all right, AKA the
Prime Minister and the reason why?
They call him. That because he basically ran
New York in the Mafia underworld.
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Very. Diplomatically and he also was
no one to mess with when he cameafter you when he I laid down
the law or he came after. Now the reason why this was.
In the mid 50s when Costello gotpicked.
Up for tax evasion charges now Iwant.
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Y'all to understand in the 1950sthey did not have Rico laws for
organized crime for the mafia. They didn't come until like,
literally. The. 70s and and 80s.
The reason why? They could get.
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These guys with no Rico, I didn't think of Rico.
The only thing they could reallyhammer these guys on was with
taxes, tax invasion, because they know these guys had a lot
of money coming in illegally andrackets and stuff like that, and
they know these guys couldn't hide that money legitimately.
Because that was out of 10 I would doubt.
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That these guys had the knowledge back then.
To do something like that, but you know.
They you know. That that's how they got caught
up. It was a tax evasion.
So every time you turn around, that's how they would get them
back in the 50s and 60s. Yeah, so and so is a busted
today tax evasion. So they'll do.
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Their little time and go right back out but anyway while he's
in this Atlanta on prison and everything he was saying that
his reputation of being in the state prison in the Carolinas
and doing all the things he was doing in the anti he had going
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on always escaping and coming back escaping escaping.
It didn't travel to Georgia the next day it over you know what
I'm saying and over there the crime bosses was looking at him
like a hero. You know what I'm saying?
Like, yeah, man, you know, are we really?
We really like how you work now.When he said, he shook
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Costello's hand. You know he.
Said, you know, you have a little hatchet man, and that was
his reputation. That was his nickname.
They call him the Hatchet Man. You know what I mean?
But anyway, I don't know when I heard this story I'm a little
I'm a little suspect because y'all know in the first story we
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talked about how he tried to murder a girl.
With the hatchet. And we?
Know the mafia was real big on you.
Don't hurt women and children. You supposed.
To come back to only the men when you doing doing battle or
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doing hits. So it's kind of hard for me to
kind of believe that Costiello would be comfortable with
dealing with someone like Pee Wee Gaskins in that offense.
I mean, that's just me personally because like I said,
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these guys are really the the last Costa Nostra.
If you ever never heard of that they they they very strict on
their principles. And that.
Made principles about touching women and killing them or trying
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to kill them for no reason. They don't believe in that.
But we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll continue on.
But it's also information on hisbook, The Final Truth, that a
lot of this came out of. So anyway, everybody.
'S starting to think. You know in the book that when
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he said the group of wise men hewere really.
Talking about the Italian mobsters, which were wise guys
when he called them three wise men.
But anyway. The he we talked about that they
would pick his. Brain kind of like how to get
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rid of a body because y'all got to remember that this is how.
Pee Wee. Was known for on for further on
into these stories that he really knew how to make bodies
disappear, especially because a lot of it because there was a
lot of swamp area in Florence County even to this day still.
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In. The South Carolina area now Pee
Wee said that two months after Costello and him and his men
were released from prison. Pee Wee.
Got a package in the mail was anEnglish to Italian to Italian to
English Dictionary, $300 in an address in New York City.
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On Elizabeth St. AK.
Lily, now I do. Believe he got a care package
from the mafia but it was like acome to show up.
But on anyway, I really think that Pee Wee might have.
Associated with these guys and they probably did kind of know
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about his background and everything else, but I really do
believe really do think I reallydon't think that they offered
him a job. I really don't.
Now give me one quick second. Hold on for a second.
I gotta pull some up. All right, let me continue here.
Sorry I had to pull up this restof this script.
So anyway, now Pee Wee said he never made it up there to New
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York City for the offer that they gave him, but he did say in
his book that he wondered how different his life would have
turned out. If he would.
Have took them up their offer and going to New York and work
for them. But again, I really don't
believe this would have actuallyhappened.
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I wouldn't have believed. I don't think that his thing.
Pee. Wee Gaskins.
Had. A learning disability.
When? It comes to, you know, talking
and blending with people, right?But at the same time, he would
have went. To New York.
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And he would have. Tried to do some of the things
that he was trying to do. In South.
Carolina, I don't think Pee Wee would have last not to mention
to. Over there you got those guys
believe in structure and we already know that people we do
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not like to follow anybody's structure.
And he is. Likes to go out on the beat of
his own drum. I think he would have been a
cannon. And I.
Would I would have, I said back then I don't think Pee Wee would
have last not even two months before.
Somebody would have took him outbecause y'all remember now?
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Pee Wee would. Have went to New York and did
what they said. Let's say he would have did this
in the 60s, right? And, and I'm just saying this
before I get back into the main part of the store.
You got to. Remember too, you had upcoming
guys in that time frame too, like Robert Clinch on the
Iceman. Robert Kuklinski.
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I mean think about the big old Iceman would have been told that
he had to get rid of Pee Wee gaskets.
Pee Wee wouldn't stand a chance with Robert Good Glensko.
Robert would have went and wouldhave sized that guy up.
He. Would.
Have went in purposely would have put something to where he
would have took Pee Wee out before Pee Wee would even knew
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what was going on. So I don't think that they were
really going to. Recruit him for anything.
If. He.
If they did invite him to come up, he would have been more like
a crash dummy, like a peon, you know what I'm saying?
Because he's not full Italian and they're not going to make
him a made man. So yeah.
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I just. I just don't see it.
But anyway, getting back to the best of the story, so.
After the monster, the mobsters left Pee Wee Time in prison, he.
Said. Passed uneventfully.
Until. He was released in 1961 and upon
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release, he rented a trailer from his uncle Dewey Perry and
he lived with his cousin Marvin Perry.
So Pee Wee appear respectable ashe was out on parole.
Now, he got a job with a traveling preacher named
Reverend George E Todd. Now please keep that in mind.
Now, he was like the personal driver for Reverend Todd, You
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know what I'm saying? And.
He uses skills that. He learned in the carnival to
set up the revival tents and when he did set that up, while
while, you know, setting those revival tents and stuff up, you
would think that pee wee. Would be.
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Around the Reverend. Maybe.
Basically maybe trying to betterhimself so he can not go back to
prison or do any kind of mischief and just behave on
parole. We talk about Pee Wee Gas cause
hell, Nah, Pee Wee ain't doing that.
Pee Wee was like, yo, here's thetown.
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No, I go out here and rob these houses.
You know, it's a small town. Everybody is trying to serve
God. Yeah, my dogs are barking.
Who's out there and what is it on my door?
I mean, alright guys, I am so sorry.
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I had someone come in and I'm not only.
Editing any of this? Because.
I'm just like everybody else in America.
I have a busy family sometime so.
The show. Must go on.
So anyway, during this time you got Pee Wee just looking for the
opportunity to rob the hell out of these people.
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So anyway, at this point he we about 20 though and he walk
around with it. Reverend, he got the robes on
and all this good shit. He.
Looking. Like an altar board?
Maybe a? Protege.
For the Reverend. Tide.
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With this small frame size but. That's just.
How people were playing the gamenow here's some other things
that happened in 1962, pee wee married his third wife, Jerry
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Dolores, but he did not have quite the same passion for her
as he had for. The previous two but pee.
Wee. Said that besides that.
She was gorgeous, she was fine. As hell to him, better looking
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than old women he had. So anyway he robbing these
houses and about a year. And Pee Wee.
Decided to once again upgrade his.
Fuckery and this. One again going to send him back
to prison. So one day he got Pee wee.
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He visited his mother, he stayedat home while she and his wife
went shopping after they left. Pee Wee decide almost on a
predatory type of search to get in some bullshit so he go visit
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the 12 year old girl next door who he knew was at home alone.
Now this is about to be graphic again.
Trigger warning. This young lady was raped by Pee
wee in her own bedroom. Now, when he was caught and
arrested the same day after, thestepfather turned his ass in as
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fast as he could and he knew. It was Pee Wee.
They got. Pee Wee.
So during that time Pee Wee he waited to be processed, this
joker jumped out of an open window box three stories up and
ran away. So anyway, he owned the run
again. So the reason why he didn't hurt
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himself jumping three stories high because first of all Pee
Wee was small. Second of all way, he jumped
that from the process and the where this put on the police
station where he was at or the jailhouse or wherever he was at.
The. Bush was so large, and him being
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so small basically broke a lot of the momentum of.
Caught. Or absorbed the momentum of the
actual junk. So anyway, Pee Wee, head over to
South Carolina border by the way, on the stolen 1960. 2 Ford
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Galaxy. That he.
Actually stole out the parking lot.
So anyway, he. Heads.
Over to the South Carolina border to the north.
Carolina area. Where he he heads.
To the Long Beach reservation. Now let.
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Me tell you about the Long BeachReservation if you haven't heard
of it. The long.
Beach Tribe Indians are in Robertson County in Scotland
County of North Carolina. Most of the time you can find
them in the following cities youcan.
Find them in, I want to say Max Maxwell.
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I may be. Wrong.
Maxine, North Carolina. I may be wrong.
I know they're in Lumberton, NC.I know they're also in some also
in Fayetteville, NC. These people skin are almost
like bronze and the women that are on the Lumbee tribe are very
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most of them I've ever came across the scene are very
gorgeous looking women. I'm being dead serious in the
face. They're.
Very. Gorgeous women, some even have a
nice figure if you into that type of exotic woman.
Now. When he made it over there, he
found him his exotic woman namedLanny.
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Oxy. Dyne another side note that is.
The Lumbee. Tribe, most of them are going to
be named two last things that are real major in the Lumbee
tribe that is Locklear and Oxy Dyne.
So if you hear anyone says I'm an Oxy Dyne or I'm a Locklear
and I'm from Lumberton, NC, Yeah, they are Lumbee.
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But I tell you what, you need tocheck out that Lumbee tribe
events because boy, when you go on the reservation they have
those special events is lit thatfood and that BBQ is lit.
All right, let. Me keep all going so anyway this
this once again, the five foot two Casanova done got her all in
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love. You know what I'm saying?
And you know she she really like.
What she? Saw.
She really did. She really liked what she saw
and she knew that, you know, this is this.
I could, I could work with with,with this, with this pee wee
guy, you know what I mean? So anyway, so anyway, once
again, this marriage, I don't know what it is about him in
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weeks, in the three weeks or thethree months.
His marriage only lasts 3 months.
And then pee wee, like, hey, listen, baby, you know, I gotta
go. I'm going to the store and I'll
be right back. But now he says he does this
because he got this heavy burden, this bothersome that
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stirring around inside of him. It.
Seems to be coming. From often the older that he
said he got and. He didn't know.
How to deal with it? So that's why he would leave.
That's why. He didn't want to hurt nobody.
So anyway. Again.
I got dogs bark in the background guys.
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So him being a full time criminal and him always
disappearing was. Just his MO now.
Here's some other things about Pee Wee that nobody doesn't know
about. Some more tales before we
proceed on. That y'all need to know about.
Pee Wee did not drink at all. He loved hanging out on Honky
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Tonk because I guess he's just like looking at the chaos.
So also too, another thing aboutPee Wee is that he was more than
just a mass murderer or a serialkiller, but he's more like a guy
that murdered. For.
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Convenience. There's always a angle for him.
It's either the angle to. Either satisfy.
The urge or. He's.
Scared. That someone's going to do
something. No, too much and it could ruin
it. Could see him back to going
behind bars and you'll. Understand this when you I'm
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going to try to put links. In the description when Peewee
gave his interview on the final truth in 1989 and 1990 and the
baby on the behavior science unit from the FBI and serial
killers in general. And then not to mention too, you
(44:13):
gotta look at he also had a veryspecial interview with Donahue.
Now if you don't know who Donahue is, you kids that's
that's way, way young Gen. Z kids.
Donahue was real big for us Gen.Xers and Millennials.
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Before you had Jerry Springer, Maury Povy, you had Donahue.
And you also had, Oh my God, theother guy that just gets on my
nerves, man. Oh man, He a.
(44:56):
Spanish guy I got, I forgot whathis name but I know he was.
Wrong with jumping the comment. Section Y'all remember the guy,
the Spanish guy that used to be a lawyer and he had his own
show? I want to say Herrado.
I might be right, might be Herrado.
But anyway, yeah, those guys were the one that was in in the
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running along with Oprah Winfrey.
Those was the three main guys that was on there.
Before my telling all them started joining the clique.
But he also would say in the mind, in the final truth about
what it takes. To take a life, he said.
Get in the guts and balls to do.Kill.
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Someone just to please pleasure yourself is the only difficult
part. Once you've done the 1st and
come to know that real special feeling, you can't hardly wait
till another better idea comes and leads and pulls and pushes
you into what takes you up into another place and even higher
(45:58):
than you ever been before. So basically if you hear that
response, it's like a drug addict, like a crackhead or even
someone that strung out on methamphetamines or heroin
chasing that first high. They get that first high off of
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doing something and they just addicted to it.
They chasing that high. They want that first one they
ever got. And that's what it seems like he
when he talks about murder, whatpeople was really talking about
also too. Is the concept of escalation
that pushes you to commit. That.
Official awful crime of murder. Because.
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Once you you, you do it at. What happens now?
Here's another thing that we. Talk about the next phase of.
What pee? Wee.
Gaskin does. And he?
Called it the coastal kills. So.
After Pee Wee was eventually rearrested.
(47:07):
Because. His fourth wife decided to turn
him in when she find out all thestuff that he had done.
Now this is the Lumby chick. She was like.
Yo, I can't. I can't.
And he should have known that That wasn't going to sit well
with a woman. That's a Lumby, part of the
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Lumby tribe. They all about honor.
And they all. About doing not, you know, not
hurting people and things of that nature.
So anyway, he winds up going back to state prison.
And let me tell you, he finds out that the state prison, is it
what it was when he was back there back like 10.
(47:51):
Plus. Years ago.
Ain't no such thing as Power mananymore.
They go about what your nicknameis, Player, and so since Pee Wee
had his nickname, that means youhad a reputation.
So that's. How that was, he said once again
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he imprisoned, he didn't like itin there was very boring
basically, and not to mention tohe had already.
Killed a. Man in their name, Hazel
Buzzell. And so, you know, he just felt
like, OK, and this ain't no nothing challenge.
But let me tell you, while Pee Wee was born, he was a model
(48:36):
prisoner. He was so much of A model
prisoner that the warden took time and wrote a recommendation
that Pee Wee would needs to be back into the free world and he
could be absolutely productive. Isn't that hilarious, Ain't it?
(49:00):
So anyway, 1968, he's 35 now. Pee Wee was back on the streets
of South Carolina now. During the.
Day. Pee Wee.
Got another job working as a roofer, you know, fixing on
(49:20):
roof, smiling, talking to people.
Yeah, but when it came to nighttime pee Wee Gaskins was a
thief. Baby.
I'm talking about he's stealing cars and he's stripping him down
because that's what he know to do.
But he had that thing that he called the bothersome this.
(49:44):
AKA. That urge, it is growing strong.
I mean, he said. It was so massive it rolling
around in his gut. Up to his spine.
And his head down again, he saidsometimes he'll hurt to his
balls behind his eyes. Yeah, it don't seem like the
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media buddy that sound like to me that that, that ain't no
urge. That's more like.
Evil inside. Of you telling you that it's
time to go to work, play that what that is that.
That ain't nothing. Nothing medical can fix that
shit. So anyway, he was also, you
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know, just dealing with this hurt.
So with the coastal kills, as P we call them, began, but we go
into death about this. People said there is still no
confirmation that these coastal kills.
(50:46):
Ever existed, but then again. But this, because you can't
confirm it, I wouldn't say it's not true because you're dealing
with someone like Pee Wee Gaskins.
I'm nothing. You can't put nothing past.
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All right, guys, give me one moment here.
I will return short. All righty.
So again, that's just my personal.
Opinion. I know a lot of writers has said
that they had talked about thesemurders based upon what Pee Wee
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had said, but they didn't have no facts to back it.
And I'm just going to tell you like this, I'm going to tell you
there's no facts to back it. But I'm not going to say that
it's not true. Because you got to remember Pee
Wee Gaskins did had a lot of time on his hands and him
traveling back and forth and. Leaving.
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The house and not coming back between spouses and other family
members that he was dealing with, young other women he was
dealing with. Yeah, I would not put it past
now. All Pee Wee wanted.
Everybody. To know and wanted out of all of
this and his legacy is to be known as one of the meanest.
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Men. In the history of the US.
And. He actually pulled it off based.
Upon the things he did. And that's.
Why he made sure that that book was released the way it was and
a lot of people think that he released the book after his
death because not only he didn'twant to be questioned about all
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the things that he stated in that book in crimes he was
involved. He didn't want to look like he.
Was not credible. I don't think that what it.
Was I think that the reason why?Me personally think that he
released that book after his death which is spoiler alert, he
does get executed. He does this because he wants he
(53:07):
wanted to. Create that I'm still here
beyond the grave effect. That's what I personally think.
I think that he. Wouldn't.
Have cared he got interviewed because he could easily shut
down the interview if that was what he's afraid of now pee wee
said that this bothersome when it came to being a coaster
(53:31):
killer that. He.
Left his house to prevent him from hurting any body in his
family and he would now. I want y'all to understand too
during this phase when he got out this last time here.
That he. Had acquired a lot of families,
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or I would say women that he was.
Dealing with and the women that he was dealing with on and off
the record, he was known to spend time with that family and
be at peace. He wasn't.
Trying to hurt nobody or think like that he was just literally
(54:12):
enjoying his family. But anyway.
He. We.
Would drive by himself up and down the Carolina coast on high
US Hwy. 17 that's from Wilmington, NC to Charleston, SC
and it would also can lead you into the.
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The. Grand Strand, South Carolina.
Going towards Myrtle Beach then.He started picking up
hitchhikers. And.
That was really well known back in the late 60s all the way up
into the 70s. Now.
I know you guys going to ask before side note and I got every
(54:58):
answer that well why the hell did people hitchhike back in the
60s and all the way up into the late 70s and possibly early 80s?
It was a different time back then.
Everybody wanted to hitchhike. Now most of the time it was
white Americans when I've researched and found out that
would hitchhike and get where they needed to go.
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But most of the time the the people that they hitchhike with
would, you know? Get to the location.
Drop you off, Wish you. On your way it was like a.
A A A rite of passage. Lot of kids would run home.
And pack their bags and Oh yeah,can I catch you around with you?
And they catch you around with this.
Person this person drop them offand sometimes.
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You all spark lifelong friendships.
Nope. Person might.
Say, hey, you know I'm in town. You need anything?
I got you, man. I'm yawning now.
But. Anyway, he said.
That he would, and this is a trigger warning, again, view his
discretion. His advice?
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He would masturbate while he thought about hanging all the
girls. That would.
Say no to him upside down by their feet.
And whipping them just like theyhad been done to him when he was
a kid. Now we talked about.
The. Whipping he got and that was for
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doing what he did with the younggirls, but that's another story
in Part 1. Don't want to sport Part 1 but
anyway. But what really stopped Pee Wee
every time from doing that was the threat of prison.
If the women. Went to the police afterwards
but one day a realization hit him what he actually called his
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quote UN quote miracle he was said that he took off to Myrtle
Beach one Sunday in 1969 when the pain again talking about
that urge it's so. Aggressive now, people said on
that day he picked up a girl, gave her the same proposition of
(57:08):
money for sex, and once again the answer came back is no.
So Pee Wee said fine. But I got to turn down this dirt
Rd. 1st to drop you off and Pee Wee said.
He pulled over, stared at her and had his moment of
realization. He said quote, what I had to do
was kill her. I remember smiling to myself and
(57:30):
wondered why I never thought of that before.
So when she reached down to get her duffel bag, Pee Wee said he
punched her in the side of the head three times.
And when she was out, he took off her belt and tied her hands
around her back. And.
There and here is where, let me let me see here and this and
(57:54):
here's where we all have. Have.
You like shook. So anyway, he would talk about
how it was hard for him to sleepand everything else.
So for the next week and a half to be able to get himself able
to sleep. And again trigger warning.
This is graphic. A few discretion is advised so.
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Anyway, to get himself to sleep he got her outside the truck and
on the ground and when she woke up he said he sliced one of her
nipples off but it put it between his front teeth and
smiled at her. And when she screamed, he said
he shoved it in her mouth and. Made her eat it.
(58:41):
Oh my God. And then he.
Said that he put her back in thetruck and drove down to a marsh,
brought her back out. Bend her over and he shoved an
8. 11 inch blade into her vaginal area and sliced up and
(59:01):
he said she still survived. Then he said he chained it to a
pipe pine limb with a heavy locking chain, dropped her into
the water with the pulley and watched as the bubbles no longer
rolls to the surface. And that's really the only way
where it does sound. Very true, because they were
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stripping. There is.
Something in the motion and withthe pill in the pulley in the
chain, that he had done again and again.
And I. Don't think whether or not.
He. Then made-up and and like.
Just crazy now he. Said he drove away, stopped at a
(59:46):
trucks cafe, had the biggest stake on the menu.
And. Drove all the way home.
That very night, playing the radio as loud as he could and
singing. Along with the whole time, well,
I think it was actually actuallya big state.
So anyway, at this time Pee Wee said, now let's start with one
(01:00:11):
of the big problems in this. So again he talks about get back
to what he said. About this part by his actions
on the podcast. On the book.
That he had 100 plus victims. Right.
There, he claims he said he picked up all the victims on the
(01:00:34):
Carolina coast off Hwy. 17, and then he said he would dump
bodies at various places in the swampy areas.
Further inland. Near.
Towns like PD. Finley, Dove.
Bluff. And catch up town and.
See what else? But anyway, he swear out that he
(01:00:57):
had dead bodies in the. Swamps all the way through now
when it comes to his victims. He said.
He had done everything to his victims.
That you can think of, from burning with acid to running
cables through the body and hanging them.
(01:01:18):
A feeling. They're all.
Orifices but. Anyway, but on anyway with him
doing all this, you know. OK, here we go again, guys.
Hold on. River, It's not what happened,
buddy. Trying to record, I went.
Out there go. But but on anyway, he also
talked about his victim. Now he would.
(01:01:42):
Say that after running the cables through their bodies, he
would hang them in trees, fill in their overseas with this
molted plum bomb where he's getting up the way that that
means exactly it was led, so he would.
Take this lead, he melted and he'll put it inside of these
people, which is like crazy. And then he would talk about how
(01:02:07):
they would die too quick so he wouldn't do that ever again
anyway. Then there was a woman named
Jennifer Bianchi. Well, he used a syringe to fill
the woman full of Drano and so. That being stated, it just
showed how twisted this man really is so.
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With the 170 so so to give you an idea from the.
Same man, Peewee gasket. With a. 173 mile stretch of Rd.
He starts. His killing spree from 1969 to
1975. OK.
That is a. Six year span.
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He said he killed 3 by Christmasin 1969 already, and then in
final truth he alternates throughout between saying he
killed an average every six weeks or around the 10th of each
month. For some reason it was always
around the 10th of each month that he started getting the
(01:03:13):
bothersomeness. And when?
He would go out, it was basically near whenever he was
looking to pay out his rent or looking for his rent check.
So. This, this is just wanting to
tell you this is what this man is saying.
But that's a lot of dumping for that long.
But anyway, getting back to thisstory now, most of these women
(01:03:38):
that he said he was targeting were people.
He basically thought was not going to get missed trying to
clear my throat. So here's another one that got.
Murdered at least half fence, but they begin in 1970 and
that's when people were 37 yearsold.
With. Patricia and off Brooks and
Janice Kirby, his own niece now.This.
(01:04:01):
One is real, according to Pee Wee.
'Cause he ran into Janice and Patricia one night at a local
burger joint where he found Janice and drunk had drunk and
drank a few too many beers. She passed out on and and stuff
with the girls were with they was they active on Pee Wee
(01:04:25):
could. They asked.
To on Pee Wee could take care ofher and.
He was obliged so again. You know, Pee Wee offered to
take take the girls. And get some coffee.
And when he did? Janice puked all over herself in
the car, so Pee Wee offered to take her back on the clean
(01:04:48):
herself up. And that's when Pee Wee said he
made a decision again. Trigger warning guys.
To rape them instead of taking them back to his house, he took.
Him out, he took them out to an old rundown tenant house that he
knew of out of the country, and he lured the girls into a false
(01:05:11):
sense of security. Then he.
Pulled a knife on Janice, putting it up to her throat, but
the attempt failed when Patriciaslammed Pee Wee in the back of
the head was a 2 by 4. All.
Right. And the two.
Ran. Out the woods, however, Pee Wee
soon caught up. He fired a shot in the air and
(01:05:32):
led him back to the house, but the.
Girls weren't done. After another struggle, Peewee
knocked out both girls. To to this.
Pistol rendering them both unconscious and half dead.
And that's what he said. He decided he had to kill them
(01:05:55):
now. He said we're going to see yes
and that and this. Is that you're going to say here
is true. This is what?
Shows normal serial killer thinking anyway after after he
did this so anyway. We're going to.
Wrap this up now for here. We're.
(01:06:16):
Going to go. Into further talking about what
he did to his. Nieces.
So anyway, I'm going to, you know what, I'm going to finish
it up. So after knocking out the girls,
Peewee left Janice at the house and locked Patricia in the trunk
of his car. And then?
He went to evade get home he knew of that, had a septic tank
(01:06:40):
and somehow managed to get the con cement lid off the top.
This is what? He said he did.
Next he planned to crack the score open to make sure she was
dead, but he decided that I would make too much of a big
mess, so he just lured her into the sludge and waited until, OK,
(01:07:02):
let me get sludge and waited until there wasn't any more
bubbles. They're not.
Push the cement lid back in place, you know.
So anyway, that way you put the bodies in it in the sip tank.
And we're going to get from there guys.
(01:07:23):
Thank you all for hanging out with me.
We will definitely try to finishand give you all the the next
story next week again please. Listen to the.
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But till then, goodnight. I love you guys again.
This episode is dedicated to my great grandmother who would have
been alive today. She would have.
Been. About 94 years of age.
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So. God bless her for being my
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