The Goosebumps 2023 TV Series - Eps 1 and 2 - You Can't Scare Me!

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OK, we're recording. It's happening.
Hello. Mario.
It's happening now. I I had a question for you.
I I thought you you might know with your experience.
I have a possible answer for you.
So I, I was watching this show called The Pit.
Yeah, OK. I was watching doctors react to
it because apparently it's like one of the most like medically
accurate shows ever and. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen some

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clips of it on TikTok. It's good.
It's actually really good. I, I actually highly recommend
it. And there's, there's a little
twist that we'll get to later because it actually does.
There is a Direct Line from the pit to the Goosebumps TV.
Is one of the Catherines on Goosebumps is there isn't she?
Is there one of the one of the doctors in this is in isn't?

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I was like, why do I recognize this actress?
Oh, here's the thing, though. You probably recognize her
because she was in Star Trek. She fucking was.
Yeah, she was in Picard. Yes, she's in Picard and that's
probably where you recognize herthe most, but for me, I
literally just watched The Pit, so and I I highly recommend it.
It's actually really good. I forgot that she played like a

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major role in the first season of Picard, which I didn't watch,
but I I saw Red Letter Media talk about Yeah, so.
Yeah, her, her name Isa Briones.I I think that's how you
pronounce. The the for reference, Brandon,
we are discussed, we are talkingabout Margo, the 20, the very
much 26 year old high school. Student.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to look around.
We the entire time you were watching, you were like, this
woman is not 16. This is an adult woman without.
Being mean, she honestly looks older than 26.
She does she what I would say ismy my not be my Here's here's
my. I don't think she looks
necessarily barely my. She looks mature.
How old you know she? Looks mature like my, There are

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people like, like me, who when you were 26, you looked like you
were 15. And there are people like it was
always striking to me when I would meet people my age and I
would look at them and be like, wow, you look like an adult.
You look like an adult human. I look like a, a child.

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Like I, I, I don't perceive precocious like, and she to me
just looks like if I saw her, I would think, wow, that's an
adult woman. That's, that's like, that's a,
that's a person. And as opposed to oh, that's a
child, That's oh, that's a child.
IMDb, it said that she was 30. I'd be like, okay.
I think she looks younger. Than 30 to 30, then she looks

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closer to 30 than she does to a high schooler.
For sure, that I'll agree with. I don't mean to say she looks
old. She's a very She's an attractive
woman. She looks great.
Doesn't it matters that I think that she looks great?
She's you know, but I but she just looks not 16.
Yeah, she looks like she's in grad school.
She's also a great actor. She looks like she's in grad

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school. I agree with that.
And also, yeah, her, her acting in the pit was fantastic and her
acting and, and Goosebumps was, you know, it was OK.
She didn't. She wasn't really given a lot to
work. I'd say she does.
She does like. Perfectly fine.
She's perfectly serviceable. Like with everyone in
Goosebumps, the TV show for Hulu, Disney Plus, she is doing

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probably the best she can with the material she's given.
Like, yeah, you get the sense that this thing was kind of
slapdash, thrown together, but. Bob, what was your question with
the pit, Sorry. So my question is because of the
medical accuracy, I was confused.
You know how when we normally countdown for these podcast
recordings, I'll go 321 record or sometimes 123 record.

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Apparently they do that in the pit and where the in order to
move someone from one place to another that may have like
injuries or anything else in order to move them in one quick
motion, they go 123 or 321 and move.
And I was curious because I was watching a react from a Doctor

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Who said, I forget his name, buthe said that they don't do that.
That's one of the few things that the that the pit it gets
wrong. It's actually inaccurate because
they're training people now to do ready, steady, go.
Oh, they could be. I actually, I don't know.
I mean when? Because the reasoning for that

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is that sometimes when people count down, they get confused as
3211 you go or 321-GO. I mean, that's a very, I'll put
it this way, I, I would be, I would think that's a very
sensible decision to make. And I wouldn't be shocked if it
was becoming a standard of care or of training because as you

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said, yeah, that is a fairly reasonable common point of
confusion. And if you're being smart in
medicine, you're, you're removing failure points, right?
You're looking for failure points.
And that is one of them. And it's, I mean, it's kind of
surprising that it's taking thatlong for them to get around to
it. But then again, no, it's not,

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you know? They have bigger fish or fry,
but also I can imagine that thatwould like that could lead to
someone getting dropped. Yeah.
I mean, like if you are, I mean,it would be smart.
And I mean, if you are looking at failure points in medicine,
which you are often doing retroactively, like you're
looking for where are the, like the, the Swiss cheese model of,

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of failure, where it's like where are the, there are the
many points at which things can go wrong, Like where are the
holes in this care? And that is I, I would say a
pretty, probably a pretty commonone, But I and also a very easy
fix, you know, relatively speaking, there is a concrete
way to fix that problem. So, you know, I would, I would

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say that that makes a lot of sense to me.
Now, granted, I have been out ofpatient care for so long that I
don't know, like it. Like I don't know what we're
doing anymore. Like, you know, when we move,
when we, when we move dead bodies, we don't even countdown.
Let's do it. We just do it like it.
Like it. There is not even a count.
It's just like, OK, like we're just doing it.
Now personally speaking, can't say yes or no, but I would

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believe that. OK.
I just thought that maybe you would have some input on that
so. I mean, I have the last time I
like seriously moved a living person was honestly brand when
we were in high school, probablywhen we like football players
post post it collision. I mean like that as far as I can
remember, like I have had limited chance to to really move

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a living person. Even in Med school.
I I didn't really do it. I mean, more than it just didn't
come up and like I didn't have to work in the Ed and or I did
for like one night. Otherwise it didn't really
happen. And a lot of time, I mean like
in the hospital setting, usuallythere are staff and orderlies

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who are, who are moving people like that, you know, usually.
Fireman's carry somebody in Boy Scouts.
Yeah, I'm usually Med students and and doctors are not the ones
doing that. Whereas in the Ed it's like all
hands on deck in that kind of situation.
So they might be. What are their hands doing on
the deck? They're they're they're cleaning
it, they're giving a spit shine.Whereas, you know, and I mean, I

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do, I move bodies now relativelyfrequently.
But but again, we're not really worried about, I mean, obviously
we're worried about dropping them, but the distance from
moving a body is like literally from one Gurney to the other.
So like it's A and also we're not carrying them, we're
flipping them over probably. So like, you know, it's more

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like, OK, grab, grab this and roll towards you.
You know, although I have seen someone drop a dead body in
recent memory in like the past two weeks.
That it fart when I hit the ground.
No, it was really stupid. It was really, it was really
stupid. It was a thing that you could
only imagine. It was an extremely, it was a
moment of real human, a real humanity, but also real human

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stupidity where there was something was on top of the
scale. Like there is a, there is a
Gurney or there's a ladder on top of the scale because they
were doing some work in the back.
And you know, they usually put the body on the scale on the
Gurney to weigh it when it comesin.
And the person, the security guard literally said like, okay,

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don't use the scale. There's a ladder on it, so you
shouldn't use that. Give it a minute and we'll, I'll
come back and we'll handle it. We'll move stuff around, right?
And it's on security footage. This guy hears this, looks at
the ladder, which occupies 90% of the scale, and decides to put

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the Gurney on the scale anyway, which why would you do that?
And the Gurney can't fit on it. So it like, it like go like
puts, like, you know, it goes upat like a 40° angle.
And of course the body rolls immediately right off the
Gurney. And he's just standing there
like, huh, I can't. How'd that happen?
It's like. Someone do this to me?

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Who could have done this? Who did this?
It was so stupid. It's like speaking stupid.
Goosebumps, 2023. Scene 1 Harold Prologue It is
1993. Harold Biddle, a teen dressed in
flannel and blue jeans, walks into his house in the Pacific
North brand. I think we have to do an intro
before you can do say that. We have to like, say what this

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podcast is. Also, I have to quibble with you
a little bit because the goosebump, the wiki starts with
Harold Biddle lease Port Lawrence High School and goes
home. So skip that.
Fuck. Hey everybody, and welcome to a

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very relaxed and special episodeof You Can't Scare Me.
As always, I'm joined by Mario. Hi, it's me.
It's Mario. I'm the I'm the cool ghoul.
He's a very bass pal. It's a little, yeah.
OK, it's a little. Chill, that's a cool ghoul.
He's your bass pal. And Brandon, how you?
Doing Jesus died today on. 420 bro.

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He died for us like Luigi. Wait, is it?
Is it actually? Oh, it's Tuesday.
It's. 4/20 it is. 4/20 what? OK.
Yeah, you know what's really funny?
Jury nullification. Anyway, so.
Yeah. We're gathered here today.
Well, no, I'm not going. To say that again, we're getting
here today. Saying that and it sounds so

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weirdly religious, it's like. We're gathered.
Well, it is actually. Celebrated the Church of Robert
Lawrence Stein. Yeah, No, we watched a show on
Disney Plus because only season 2 of it is available on Hulu for
some weird reason. I don't know why that's.
Why you were confused? I watched a show that was

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certainly released on Disney Plus on my computer.
I mean the. Computation machine.
I did. I watched it and it was at one
time on Disney Plus. Period.
This is the period. In a way, we live in a post
scarcity world, which is to say that there's so much TV that
it's impossible to watch all of it.
But also we live in a post beingable to access it easily.

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World where you have to do fucking research to find where
you can actually watch the stupid thing anymore.
Yeah, that's really stupid. So yeah, we watched.
You know, technology is infuriating.
We watched. True, it's on purpose.
We watched let me, let me calculate.
We watched about 20 minutes of ads and also I am sorry 1st 2

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episodes of the Goosebumps TV show I.
Could not have made it better. Well, I think I I was saving
this for the podcast, so I'm gonna I'm gonna come right out
with it. I actually really enjoyed this
this show. I think it's good.
I didn't. I know you guys were talking so
much mess in the discord and I was like should I say something

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now or should I wait for the podcast?
Amen. Be honest.
I actually legitimately enjoyed this.
And I not only did I enjoy it, Iwatched more than the first two
episodes. I got kind of hooked on it and I
watched up until like the last two episodes.
Oh, wow. So I haven't finished it all the
way, but I did, I did go past our allotment.

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So yeah, I, I know I have a little bit more context for more
of the show. I have an idea for where things
go. And yeah, it's, it's perfectly
fine. I I was kind of I, I guess we
can get right into it if we want, but sure.
Yeah, you sound upset. No, I'm fine.
I'm mostly sure sure. I'm glad when people like stuff.

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Hey, listen, listen. I would rather, I'd rather all
of us not be negative about it. Yeah, no, but yeah, right out
the gate, like I really like a lot of the actors in it.
I, I don't know, Justin Long waskind of like, I don't know, but
Isa, Isa Brion, I, I think that's her name.

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Mark yeah, as Marcus. Yeah, Zack Morris.
I mean, all of the kids really did a good job.
And yeah, you can have some like, criticisms about like, you
know, a 24 year old trying to play a high school student, But
for what it is, I think it's totally fine.
Okay, I don't I don't think thatany of the cast gives a bad
performance. I think the cast is perfectly

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fine. Yeah, like I I have I have no
issue. And yes, well, it struck struck
me that Isa Brione as a recent Brione doesn't doesn't look like
she's in high school. That's certainly fine.
I have experienced that in my entire life.
Like that's that's media. That's like that's normal.
Yeah, although it is someone striking in that of several, the
customers do look like they could be in high school,

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although I'm sure they are equivalently older.
I don't know that for sure, thisa guess but.
Some people just look more mature.
Some people just look more mature than others.
Some people just can blend in amongst high schoolers and some
can't and it's fine. It's not a problem.
It's not a judgment on the show.It's like it just is what it?
Is it's also the way the production people like do her

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makeup and stuff that's awesome.Like she looks extremely put
together. She looks like a grad student.
But that's again it's not reallya problem.
Again, I think everyone in the cast does perfectly fine with
the material they are given, andthe material they are given is
not super good. Yeah, but my problem with the
story is writing. It's not not.
The actors are perfectly fine. Yeah, I don't have an issue with

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the performances. Yeah.
And I think that that's kind of where I was going initially,
where I was basically going to start into, you know, the story.
I, I think my major criticism right off the bat was that I
don't think this, I didn't thinkinitially that this properly
paid homage to Goosebumps because it's.
I I don't think it needs to be goosebumps.

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Like, I don't, yeah. I don't think this show needs to
be goosebumps at all, truthfully.
I would have been OK with them like just kind of like lightly
taking things from Goosebumps and making them into a story.
But I mean. That's basically what bigger.
Yeah, Yeah. The the bigger problem is more
like, I don't think that they spend enough time on their
threads because they're trying to like book it.

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Like I don't, I haven't. Seen, I don't think I don't
think that the first two episodes, for example, and I, I
can tell by by the general synopsis of the show, right that
like there, there are episodes that that they somewhat drop
this facade of adapting stories directly.
But like I I don't think the first few few episodes need to

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be even in pretend adaptations of stories.
Yeah, they should have just set the people up before they
started getting into it. Really, because like we we book
it through the evil, evil cameraand we really book it through
the haunted mask. You know what I mean?
Woof, Like I, I both times I waslooking at the runtime and I'm

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like the, the, the camera still has not appeared.
And I that's that's understandable for the first
episode you got set up to do, but in the second episode it's
really perfunctory and and it's because they're trying to like
like get through it, right. It seems like they're going to
do like one haunted object per episode.
Bob, you would know we don't, but I think that they need to do

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a little bit more than that. We should probably talk about
the premise of the show and justkind of do a do like an overall
like sort of like synopsis. Mario, did you say that you had
a? Well, I have the the the wiki
open and also Brandon took notes.
I think so we whatever how I mean, I can give we can give a
the synopsis on the fuck and wiki is.

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It is 1993, yeah. No no no no.
The the synopsis on the wiki is 123456789101112131415161719. 23.
There's like 40 paragraphs of synopsis for the first episode
of the show. It is it probably at least 5

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pages worth of synopsis This show this.
The wiki gives you what was happening when every licensed
music track is playing. For example, when Unholy by Sam
Smith and Kim Petrus is playing,Isaiah and James order food, but
when it's cashed, only Nora gives them saltines.
They eat the saltines. So if you want a full play by

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play, the wiki is here for you. What a waste.
What a waste out of my own notesas well.
Does it say I'm trying to find the page that you're on?
You know, like that? That would be perfect because I
there is something that happens in it is one of the wildest.
I'm seeing a lot of people say, Oh, this is for the individual

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say cheese and die episodes. OK, The reason I I say this is
because this is a a mild spoiler, but for a for later in
the show, there's something it'sincredible that they're saying
what's happening during songs that play because there is
something amazing that happens in the 3rd to last episode of

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the show. Right, you're not talking about
the the part where they play terrible lie.
No, that was incredible. I have some.
OK, so one of the top reviews onRotten Tomatoes for this show is
incredible. Here, let me read it exactly
because I have the link open. It is an excellently
soundtracked supernatural mystery and the soundtrack is

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before we even talk about what the show is, the soundtrack is
wild. Like not only do they end the
first episode with with goosebumps, like which is just I
get those goosebumps every time I need that Heimlich.
It's it's it's swings from appropriate to probably the

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quintessential example of it being wildly inappropriate is
during the an emotional day Numa, where a certain event
happens that I will not spoil, but it's it's it's really
impactful. It's like the entire thing that
the whole show is leading up to like sort of an emotional
catharsis. And then as it's happening, the

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lyrics I got hard in the back ofyour car start playing.
And it's not like you can't hearthem.
It's not like it's that those lyrics happen underneath someone
talking they. Just before the catharsis, it's.
Like. It's, I forget.
Oh yeah, it was like 3 futures. Yeah. 3 Futures by Torres Yeah,

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the the lyrics start. I got hard in your car in the
parking lot of the Masonic Lodge.
Those lyrics happen. Powerful lyrics.
Powerful lyrics. Those those lyrics happen at in
a wildly inappropriate moment. So I'm excited for us to get
there. But that's good.
That's getting ahead of things alittle bit, I mean.

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Hell of a hell of a story with words they're telling there.
Though it's true the Music Choice is wild.
But yeah, getting a little bit ahead of ourselves there.
So yeah, really this story is about, it's about a bunch of
high school kids, right? Yes, that's true.

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And some adults, yes, and also. Let me, let me set the stage.
Yeah, let let let Brandon, Brandon set the stage for us,
set the. Stage yeah, yeah, I try I I'm
gonna I'm gonna use this thing you.
Did the work? Did the set the stage do?
Do the work. Yeah, you did the.
Work and I ain't reading all this fucking synopsis.
Here's. The the stage setting.
OK, I was I wasn't Googling fastenough and I'm using Firefox so

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I was gonna Google the synopsis to the Kung Fu Panda movie and
start that off. But just just insert that in
your head here the the synopsis for kind of cool.
Brandon makes a funny joke wherehe reads something other than
his notes. Got it.
Everybody laughs, everybody applauds.
Okay, all right. Episode 1 Harold Prologue It is
1993. Harold Biddle, a teen dressed in

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flannel and blue jeans, walks into his house in the Pacific
Northwest and interacts with several Goosebumps themed
objects. The doorbell rings, but no one
is there. When he answers, unseen forces
push objects around the room andcut the power.
He lights a candle. The cuckoo clock cuckoos.
He backs into the basement, falls onto a blanket which
catches fire by the candle, and he burns to death.
Outside, the house explodes intoa fireball, which forms into a

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spooky face. This is Goosebumps.
Skipping over it a bit, but yes,it it must be noted the
goosebumps like directly referenced items and objects in
here. You've got a Hobbit mask.
You got the cuckoo clock of Doom.

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Doom and the camera. Say cheese and die camera.
And they eat some worms or thereare some worms.
It's not immediately apparent, but there are worms and that is,
and they do come into play later, yeah.
Also playing during that scene is RE Ms. Drive as he comes
home. So, you know, it's not that the
90s and his basement, and I don't know if they addressed

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this Bob in a later episode thathis basement is apparently
coated entirely in gasoline because that candle hits that
carpet and it lights instantly like it lights so fucking.
I will. Say.
There is nothing. There is no mention of gasoline,
but I will say that there may bea reason that that weird shit

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happens in in that house becausethere is a thing.
There's also there I should mention there is a haunted
object that is a direct reference to a Goosebumps book
that that is in that house that we do not see that you can maybe
infer if you look at the episodelist.
Well, the not only the episode list, but also the literal promo
image of the show which shows Slappy the dummy is on it there.

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There is a slappy he be slappinghe is.
Literally his face is center of the image promoting the show.
So Slappy the dummy is in this somewhere.
Yeah, I forgot about this terrible promo art Is it's.
Just so don't. Don't you worry, kids, if you
thought maybe he wouldn't be. No, this is Goosebumps.
After all, for some reason we'renot able to get away from
Slappy. I don't know why.

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Like, like come on, give me a curly.
Like what the fuck? Slap happy.
Like I'll take Monster blood as the mascot for.
Well, guess what? Monster Blood's in season 2,
man. Ray We kind of maybe sort of get
monster blood a little bit at the end of episode 2, but not

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the. Explosions.
Yeah, the goop. Yeah, the goop, but it's not
it's see here's. The thing I haven't read Kook
Clock of Doom, so I don't know if that is a thing from it or
rather if I have read it, it's been, it's been years,
obviously. If I remember correctly, no.
And that's the other thing that should be noted.
These episodes are like the first episode, say cheese and
die. We at a certain point start to

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deal with a camera that takes pictures of people that are like
in the process of dying or in like really terrible fright.
Things get much looser. Like I think that the the the
episodes that are closest to thebooks are probably the haunted
mask or like a modern version ofhaunted mask and say cheese and
die. Cuckoo clock of doom is has

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nothing to do. Like it's a completely different
like sci-fi OK for the cuckoo clock of Doom because if I
remember correctly the cuckoo clock of Doom is more about
rewinding back time in time. Yeah, and not being turned into
A and not being turned into a goop, man.
Yes. So the thing that's happening
there is basically the cuckoo clock.

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I started it, I started watchingor I skimmed through it out of
curiosity as to what. So I know that they are double s
created by time looping. Yeah, so the time loop double s
those are and whenever they get hit in the head, much like
zombies, they explode into into Oh yeah, that was the other
thing really cool that they put trouble fluid in the show.

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That's actually really cool. Like I was shocked.
Brandon, were you shocked? I'm always shocked, especially
when I stick a fork in an electrical outlet.
Before we before we get too far ahead, let's just let's wrap up.
Let's wrap up the OR continue with the narrative.
Sorry I'm just I'm just imagining Brandon as that one
patient in house who like as soon as house comes in he has

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like a knife and immediately sticks it into an electrical
socket and dies like getting outof the house.
We should all be so lucky. I'm a Marvin home alone too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're Marv.
You're you're. Exploding into a into a curly
basically. Oh yeah, goosebumps, Curly.
Not in this show. I like that the skeleton opens

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his mouth and screams in that movie.
It's it's etched into my brain. Marv the skeleton.
It's so good anyway. Yeah.
Tell us what happens next. Take us away. 2023 Nora Bakery
We cut to 2023 at Nora Parker's Bakery. 2 teens order breakfast.
These are Isaiah and James. Isaiah is a sports guy, football
star kind of guy and James is gay and their best friends.

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Nora says the card machine doesn't work.
She offers them saltines for free since they have no cash and
the teens do not know what saltines are.
The teens not know what saltinesare.
As they leave, another teen, Lucas, jumps out of the second
story window of the shop on a skateboard and eats it hard.
I hate this character for the record.
The others ask if he is OK. He spits out a mouthful of blood

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and says he is chilling. Nora runs out and says not this
again, stop jumping out the window on your skateboard and
seen there is a pep rally. And so I, we after the this
scene, we cut to the pep rally where Isaiah does a thing that
no teenager has ever done and gives a rallying speech about
sports. But I was going to say I, I, I'm

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glad Isaiah is not a bad person because we've already done the
football star is like an assholestory a million times.
We've done it a million times we've seen it, We've been there.
However, it's sort of a problem for me that, or rather, I don't,
I, there's something off about the way these kids are written

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in a way that feels like we're trying to write them with like
as little friction as possible. Like I, I, I just cannot fathom
this character, Isaiah hanging out with this character, James.
I can't fathom it. I, I literally, and I mean,
that's me, man, That's me. I was a teen in the 2000s,

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right? I'd lived a different life.
You know what I mean? I, I lived a different life, but
I, I just can't fathom these twopeople hanging out.
I'm just watching them. Like, no, Nope, don't see it.
Don't see it at all. Like just Nope, Nope.
These people are just so completely different and like in
all their interests. And then like, Nah.
I'm not saying that quarterback can't be friends with.

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With a mascot for the team like it, it can happen.
Yeah. It just probably doesn't like.
The QBs, I mean, we were, we were sports Med trainers.
So we worked like with these people all the time.
And they were, the QBs were not friends with us.
They were more like the kinds ofguys that might like that they
watched sports and they liked sports and they cared about
sports and they wouldn't know what any of this stuff is that

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we like. And they we, we didn't hate each
other, but we also didn't interact.
We had different worlds. And yeah, I mean, like, I, I
don't, I don't mind that much. This is very like prestige TV
show Argon named characters are going to be palling around all
the time, but it's just sort of taken for granted that they're
all best friends or that these two are best friends and there's

(28:57):
like they don't do stuff together except for participate
in plot events. But you know, whatever minor
sins this feels like, you know, it's like, why a fiction?
That's fine. It's fine and it's it's also
funny that you mention that because in Cuckoo clock of Doom,
what was his name? James Express and he has an
interest in sports. Yeah, yeah, he, he doesn't know

(29:18):
anything about sports. And it's like your best friend
is a is a sport. Yeah, it's just a weird sport.
Like I could see him being friends with Isaiah's girlfriend
Allison that I. Would buy.
Completely. I would buy that 100%.
But it comes out later that theyare the opposite of that.
And you know when they spoilers inevitable eventually break up

(29:42):
because of something that his girlfriend does, which is really
shitty. Yeah.
He James like breathes a sigh ofrelief.
And was like, you guys were. She was terrible.
She was awful so. Interesting, interesting.
Pep rally. Pep rally.
Pep rally. Probably the worst thing about

(30:04):
the show. Certainly bad.
I certainly not good. It's not like it's overtly
terrible, but it's like a machine gun of just like, what
kind of writing are we dealing with here?
And I really feel like it doesn't do a service to the rest
of the show. But yeah, please continue.
Yeah, we cut to the teen school,Port Lawrence High, where a pep

(30:25):
rally is occurring. The coach introduces football
teen Isaiah, then sits down nextto his daughter, Margot.
She is also a student, and she is looking very much not like a
student, like a teenager here. She has brought a book to the
rally because she has no school spirit and because she is in her
mid 20s, she is not actually that much older than everyone
here. We've talked about it already.

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Isaiah gives an incredibly long pep rally speech.
An unnamed girl is recording thespeech on a gimbal.
James in the Titans mascot costume humps the air and is
chastised for this. He is humping them to victory,
he replies. A random teen sits next, sits
next to Margo, tries to strike up a conversation by saying that
football players suck. Huh?
Apologizes that this was insensitive.

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When she doesn't respond, he quickly adds no one sucks,
everyone's got their stuff, Margo says.
No one sucks. What about Jeffrey Dahmer and
Andrew Johnson? Football players suck.
Cunt That. That was like insensitive.
Sorry. No one actually sucks.
No one's got their stuff. No one sucks.

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You, you stand by that. So like Jeffrey Dahmer, like he?
He's a cool dude. No, no, no, he's not.
Or, like Andrew Johnson, he he, he's a chiller.
Fuck. What a weird choice, Andrew
Johnson. What a weird choice.
Yeah, there's like, yeah, I guess.
To put with, to put with JeffreyDahmer, Yeah.

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Same same, same time, same kind of guy.
Same sort of general vibe. Yeah, Isaiah calls over his
girlfriend, who is not named. They hug.
Isaiah thanks the person recording the speech as Susie,
but her name is Isabella. That's detention, Yeah.
You go to the detention. Wait, did they actually kiss in
the scene I. Believe they.
I believe they Smit. They kissed later I think.

(32:08):
I thought so too, I had to rewatch it.
Maybe you're, maybe you're right.
Even then they just hug. Maybe let's get real close to
one another. Mario on the lookout for people
swapping spit. I'm just checking for smooches.
I'm just I'm. I'm.
Maybe you don't have to wait that.
Long eagle eyed watching Goosebumps 2020.
Three or who's who's kissing in this scene?
You better. Not kissing.
No better save some room for Jesus on this show.

(32:29):
Jesus and RL Stein hello and. RL Stein.
Hello Bob. You can spoil the this for me
because, well, we'll get to thisin just a SEC.
OK? Any, any reflections on the pep
rally scene? Bad scene.
I forget the scene a little bit because it kind of introduces us
to Isaiah and like like who he is like his his general vibe.

(32:52):
We are the Titan's long ass speech but.
Yeah, that's the problem. It's just too fucking long.
Like it goes on too long. Yeah.
No, no teen has ever done this. So pep, pep rally happens and we
cut to we cut to party planning,right?
Because a a troll. A troll.
A troll troll. Troll has has.
We're we're in the school hallway.

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Yeah, yeah. Wait, wait, wait.
Mario. Mario, Mario.
Yeah. Do you mean a literal troll?
Well, Bob, maybe we'll get there.
Someday. Fascinating.
The yes, the literal troll has has sabotaged Allison's
Halloween party. Which it was stupid anyway, but
anyway, yeah, sorry Grant, take it away.
Take it away, Take it away. After the rally, James and

(33:35):
Isaiah are talking. James sees a boy he likes named
Sam. James is gay.
Reminder, this is how we know heis gay and everyone is okay with
it. James says Sup.
Sam says Sup. Isaiah says Sup, Sam walks away
bemused and James upgrades Isaiah for butting in.
We are about 5 Subs away from having something substantial I
can tell my therapist about. He says the head writers of the

(33:56):
show are in their 50s. And boy, you can tell.
Well, kids these days. That's my that's my greatest
take away from at least these first episodes.
Probably the rest of the series,if I were to watch it, is God
these are adults writing teenagers.
But that's the other thing aboutit is I would say that the
bigger problem is. And they also don't write

(34:17):
adulterate good either. Well.
James's character is like, he really doesn't have, like, the
thing that you could say about how do you do fellow kids apply
that to, like, gay people? Yeah.
Yep, yeah. For.
Sure, whole character. He has nothing else.
He's gay. Other than going on other than
he is gay, that that is it. And it it's it the the failures

(34:41):
of the writing really come to come to fruition like later.
It really should to stand out where it's just like, OK, I know
exactly what this character is going to say before he says it.
The show struggles with Comic Relief in general.
It's not funny. I mean, I know that's being I'm
being. I'm not saying the entire show

(35:02):
is abysmal, whatever. It has its strengths, but one of
them is not comedy, and James isoften used as a vehicle for
comic Comic Relief. A little.
Pithy remarks and he's not funny.
There were a couple jokes that Ilaughed quite a bit at and
there's. One joke that got, I mean
episode 2. Also, I like I think the show

(35:23):
really finds its footing and episode 4 go eat worms because
Lucas. Lucas's character I I just wish
that there was more of Lucas. Lucas is a really entertaining
character and if they leaned on him for more of the humor it
would it would totally work better I think.
But and it's it's, it's not the character, it's not the actors

(35:44):
either. Like it's like you can tell that
like James has got charisma. Like all these guys have
charisma. They can all be comic actors or,
or they could tell a joke. It's just the awkward writing.
And at this point? Yeah, now my favorite joke is in
episode 2 when the possessed Justin Long is visiting Nora's
coffee shop and she tells him that he's her son's favorite

(36:08):
teacher. And he says, OK.
Nathan Brat, I'm the new Englishteacher.
My son loves you. I mean, well, he said.
He's not the worst. Which is really the.
Highest compliment you can get from him these days.
OK, I thought that was very funny.

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OK, yes, OK, so the unnamed girlfriend returns.
This is Allison for the for the listener, this is Allison.
She will be named. She shows a TikTok where someone
has edited a pig squealing soundover her speech.
We can see that the girlfriend'sname is Allison from the
username, but again, this is notsaid aloud for some time.

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Allison wonders aloud who could possibly be trolling her as
Isabella lurks around in the background.
Yeah. I.
Yeah, Isaiah has called him to the coach's office.
He is on academic probation. Unless he gets an A on the Oh,
he's not. He's not the coach's office,
it's the guidance counseling's office.
Yes, please get that right. Fucked up.
The only real adult at the school is the guidance

(37:10):
counselor. That's it.
There's a nurse in one scene. The the guidance counselor is
not named here either, I think, but his, he is Colin.
This is Colin. That is the end of school
scenes. I've got a bell here, a little
bell here that I I will ring whenever there's off screen gay
shit. Off screen gay shit.
It's gonna happen soon, OK? Just wait for it.

(37:31):
All right? All right, that's that's the
Disney Hallmark. You can tell it's Disney if if
they're I don't know. I haven't seen the rest of the
show but. Well, now I will say that I'll
say this. Yeah, I, I have, I skipped 3
episode 4 a little episode 3 a little bit there is on screen
Geisha. So there it does happen.
OK, OK, OK. That's good, at least at at some
point. That's a good thing.

(37:51):
It's a good thing. Yeah, once.
Yeah, it happens one time. I mean, it has one time, but I
mean, yeah, maybe it happens again later.
But you obviously, as you know more than I do so.
Yeah, in that episode. Well, I.
Would say there is there's there's some slight on screen
gay shit in episode 2 but it's very minimal.
He he. Well, it will will minimal
minimal. OK Battle House day.

(38:13):
Cut to the Battle House, which is being renovated by Isaiah's
dad, Ben, for the benefit of thenew English teacher, Mr. Brat,
played by Justin Ball. Mr. Brat As of the first couple
episodes, Geelong is easily the most fun character to watch.
Mr. Brat inherited the house andthe two discussed that Harold
Biddle died and the parents disappeared.
After Brat attempts to force hisway into the basement with a

(38:35):
crowbar and cuts himself somehowthey leave to get medical
treatment. Brat's blood on the floor is
pulled into the basement door, which slowly starts to open.
Troubling fluid indeed. Troubled fluid appears.
It's there. This is Goosebumps.
Ben and his wife, unnamed, are arguing about whether Isaiah is
good enough to get a full ride sports scholarship to sports.

(38:57):
Dad says, yeah, he's really good.
And mom says, oh, so I'm just stupid?
Is that what you think? I'm just the dumbest idiot in
the world and no one could ever doubt that our son is the Jesus
Christ of football. That's what you think, husband,
If that is your real name, yeah.Yeah.
Isaiah walks into the contrived argument as his mom says you
can't hang the future of your family on your son.

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Dad and Isaiah share a brief awkward chitchat.
Mom says nothing but looks bemused.
This might be the only scene with Isaiah's mom in it.
I was wrong, but I might be verywrong.
I don't know. But she hasn't been named
Backyard. Any any reflections on on the
occasional contrived arguing so that we have drama?
I think that it is not so good, this part.

(39:42):
I think it's not so good. I mean, you got to give him
something. So in fairness, you got to give
him, you got to have some conflict.
And it it is important in the scheme of the episode that
Isaiah knows that he has to playin this game and do well, right?
Yeah, there's a major, you know,the scaffolding.
I think, like, the real problem is that the show doesn't want

(40:04):
any of these people to, like, have flaws.
And so, like, we get some. This is not the worst of them.
There's some really contrived arguments in Episode 2.
Where like we have to have the characters not be like friends
for a SEC because then then theywould help out and then certain
things wouldn't occur. But because no one has any like
flaws, actually they're all nicepeople, generally they all have

(40:25):
to be like misunderstandings or like kind of like Adam Sandler E
plot device E arguments or misunderstandings just to move
things forward. We'll get to, I think, one of
the worst ones later in the first episode.
There's one that's like really bad.
You you say that and I don't think you know how.
No, I know you don't know how right you are.
Like like one of the premises, One of the things that I thought

(40:49):
was going on at the beginning isthat there was like some kind of
a prank being played on Biddle. And that's why you know his, you
know, because there there were hints in the first step in in
this episode where Biddle like gets Ding Dong ditched by
fucking demons. And we see one of the doors of

(41:11):
his house like open and close assomething goes inside.
And it's like, oh, in my head, it's like, oh, this is like a
prank gone wrong, you know? Yeah, that's, I mean, I'll put
it this. OK, If if, if I if I may, if I
may make some some sweeping generalizations and and and
summarize a lot of stuff very quickly.

(41:31):
I also thought so our flashback shows being Ding Dong ditched
before the house catches on fireand Satanis comes out I fully
and then so Biddle is is awakened by the blood of Mr.
Brat. But the blood of Christ.
And he begins plaguing our our cast as as sort of this ominous

(41:55):
ghostly figure. And because of the way he was
acting towards our cast, specifically a few characters,
and later towards one adult, I assumed that he knew or thought
that the kids in 1983 had murdered him in some capacity.

(42:15):
Yeah, probably in an accidental thing gone wrong.
I suspect as the story goes on that becomes more complex, but
that was fully my impression of it.
And that I mean also because Nora at the end of episode 1
comes out and says some absolutefucking absolute dog shit about
how the sins of the fathers are being visited upon their.

(42:36):
Yeah. Which is how normal people talk.
But everybody, it was just a bigmisunderstanding.
And the I'm gonna here, I'm gonna save us all a little bit
of time here. Yeah, I'm gonna cut straight to
the my my notes on the final episode.
The ending, the denouement. Yeah, of the entire series.
One mist dead, gone. But another mist remained.
A worst mist. A mist that fogged men's minds.

(42:59):
The mist of misunderstanding. Luckily, this mist was just a
metaphor and wouldn't really affect things much.
I. Like that?
Except for the preceding events of the last 10 episodes.
But back to your your original point, yeah, that if there was
one major criticism I would haveis that yeah, there are no like

(43:20):
really there there, yes, there there is a character who who has
wildly misunderstood what's happening and there are, but
there are really no bad people other than like Slappy and
that's it. Like Slappy is a demon fucking
thing. You know, obviously it's yeah,
it's Slappy. It's why one of the reasons why

(43:41):
I do not care for Slappy, he is incredibly one note.
I'm a little fucking deep and oopa doopa Doo quote Slappy.
But the the thing that's weird is that your criticism is it it
it's so wild that a person can misunderstand what's happening

(44:02):
that badly. Granted, whatever I'm I'm
talking I, I shouldn't be sayinganything because I got way too
far. But I do have a.
You are more right than you know, I will say.
That this is a whole genre of crap writing and it's it's so so
common. It's especially common I think
in like why a fiction? Because like they want us very

(44:23):
badly to like these characters. It's like important to them.
And also like, this is the, it'sgot that like, kind of like the
Disney skung on it where they'rejust afraid of making anyone
unlikeable, right? None of the reasons why the
actual problems. Yeah, it's, it's, it's also
like, it's a thing where it's like, well, we don't want to
make our gay character bad because then people will think
we're being bitten, like saying something about gay people.

(44:45):
We can't make any black characters bad for the same
reason. And let's just go extend that to
every person 'cause we don't want the teens to think that
we're talking badly of them. Like the closest they get to
being, like, critical in like a kind of gnarly way is Lucas,
because he's like an idiot. A dumb idiot.
Yeah. And like, all I was a child.

(45:08):
All children are idiots, OK? They're works in progress,
That's fine. That's like that.
That's not even a problem. You can depict them being
stupid. Honestly, that's one of the
appeals of Goosebumps is that kids are just stupid.
And that's one of the fun thingsabout it is that, yeah, normally
in a Horror Story, you would be,you know, you have the the
constant like, why the fuck is that character doing that thing

(45:31):
that makes no sense? And you know, the fucking common
cinema sense bullshit of just like, you know, that's
unbelievable but or that's not realistic, but it's kids doing
dumb shit. And it's like the most
believable thing in the world isfor a kid to do something
fucking stupid. But that's one of the flaws of
the show is like I was talking to Rachel about it because

(45:51):
Rachel was watching it with me and she was saying that this is
this has way more in common withsomething like Fear St. than
something like I. Agree.
I agree. What I was thought watching and
we'll actually this is we'll getthere as a sort of summative
point, but I agree this feels much more like they were trying
or wanted to adapt a Fear St. story but Netflix snatched that

(46:12):
right up. But we'll get there.
I'll save that point for later. Instead I'm going to say
speaking kids being stupid. If I may quickly summate the
next scene, Brandon because Isaiah is freaking out about the
game and the the stakes riding on it.
He needs to ace a history test that he doesn't know about to

(46:35):
stay off academic probation. His neighbor Margo finds him
moping in the yard and she speaks in a childish language
with him, revealing they have been friends for a long time
and. What was that language?
It was. Like I, I forget what you would
call that exactly, but he. Gibberish or I forget.
No, it's it, it's, I mean it's like a, it is like a fake.

(46:57):
Language wittegong. Udegu Odegay.
Our secret language? Really.
Wittigi Altaguye Zutagus to get Wittiggins.
To the gum pittagong. Well, we're not 8 anymore.
Wittagong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But this part is fine. Isaiah basically says he has a

(47:18):
lot writing on this test he hasn't studied before, and he
asks Margot if she'll let him cheat, and she says yes for the
sake of their friendship. OK.
The funniest part of this, though, is that when they
discussed this, Margot said how much of the Constitution have
you read? Their exam is just the
Constitution. I, I, I can't remember very much

(47:39):
about like how, what kind of history stuff we learned when we
were in high school, but like, Idon't remember us having to
memorize the Constitution. And I also don't think the
majority of Americans know. That's.
Yeah, that's what it does. That's not a thing they teach in
school I. Specifically remember getting
quizzed on we were tasked with, I think it was actually extra

(48:02):
credit to remember like to recite as much of the
Constitution as we could and if we could get through the 1st
paragraph. And that's why the We the People
song, the Constitution song fromSchoolhouse Rock is like stuck
in my head forever. Because.
That's how I remembered it. We the people in order to form a

(48:25):
more perfect union. Establish justice, ensure
domestic tranquility. It is really sad that the task
was like, memorize this shit instead of learn.
Like, yeah, OK, yeah. I mean.
The articles are really important, actually, and it's
important for people to understand what the powers are
because like, that should be dictating things like maybe like

(48:47):
our smart listeners surely know.There are seven articles that
respectively describe the bicameral legislature, the
executive branch, the judiciary,the states, the process for
amending the Constitution, a bunch of random bits and bobs,
including the Supremacy Clause and the process for ratification
and amendment. That there are 20, 7 amendments,
that the first ten are called the Bill of Rights and followed
the passage of the Constitution three years later.

(49:10):
Our smart listeners know all of that for sure, and what they all
mean too. But most people don't.
Also, it's 2025, the Constitution does not matter.
It doesn't matter anymore. But but I just I it beggars
belief. It's one of those belief.
It's one of those like again, 50year old men writing a script
for teens where it's like their their tests, their history test

(49:33):
was the constitution. They just had to read it.
And then there's a test on it like.
I will say again, I did have this.
Well, you had to. You had for extra credit to
recite the opening parent. But the full test was actually
on the Constitution. It was about the Constitution.
Exactly. I believe the concept of a test
on the constitution. I just mean when you usually

(49:57):
history class for kids you don'thand them a copy of the
constitution and say read it. Read it.
Do it. It's 100 question test on this.
Yeah, that's that's a fairpoint because like the Constitution is
also written in a way where I even when I was and it was like,
hey. You wouldn't feel free this
mean? Like I don't know what.
Right. It's not written in modern

(50:18):
English. Oh.
Yeah, they're in Congress. Congress.
Yeah, it's. Like like it's just I mean, I'm
sure they meant to or the wording could be just changed to
how much have about the constitution have you read like
but it's instead it's just like.Oh OK, the test is just the
question. What is the constitution and the

(50:39):
majority of the children answer.There is a president who has
either all the power or no powerdepending on whether you want
him to be blamed for problems. And there are a bunch of other
people who might do stuff too, but probably less stuff.
Unless you want them to be blamed for problems I guess You
can't blame people for not knowing that much about a system
of rules that is so routinely ignored.

(51:01):
Skipped route, right? Violated by powerful rich
people. Maybe if they've been given a
test in the Constitution in highschool, they'd know.
But lest you think that it mattered or there might be some
kind of conflict, the the cheating happens without any
issue whatsoever because their teacher is just asleep.
So don't worry about it. Yeah.

(51:21):
I think we're getting too real for 4/20.
Yeah, we, we need to, we need tochill this back out.
Let's let's take a well, hey, let's chill, but let's take a
vibe shift here because after the test, it's party time, baby.
It's Halloween time. Halloween.
Party. Did we mention that it's
Halloween? Yeah, Isaiah asks Margo to help

(51:42):
him cheat on the history test. She agrees there are no
consequences, that it works. Oh I didn't realize that like a
lot of the show was was dumped on October 13th in 2023.
That. Makes.
Sense. That makes sense.
I mean, it's a fine listen, it'sa fine Halloween piece of media
if you I guess like. If you're if you were like a kid

(52:04):
that grew up with like Halloweentown or whatever and you wanted
some like why a spooky media, but right before Halloween, I'm
not going to yoke anybody's Jones.
You could do worse than this. Yeah, you could do worse.
Yeah, you could definitely do worse than this.
Halloween party it's happening the costumes choices are.
As a cat girl. He's a sexy cat in a later

(52:26):
episode. Allison is Kill Bill Bryant.
There's no universe where Allison has watched Kill Bill.
There's there's hey, listen, shedid some great work in that
costume. If this is a this is a real
teen, I'd say I'm impressed for the work you put into this.
However, I don't believe that teenage girls in 2023 were
watching Kill Bill or even know what that is.

(52:48):
Look, I just don't believe it. I'm sorry, maybe that's close
minded of me but I just don't believe they watched it.
Well, they didn't watch any of the Marvel movies because
apparently no one knows who Thoris.
Yeah, well. Except for except for Geelong,
John knows. Jay Long knows.
Our boy. Jay Long knows.
Why Millennial? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(53:11):
That was one of the comedy bits is that Isaiah has brought a wig
to be Thor. It's a blonde wig and the rest
of his costume is just cargo shorts and being shirtless.
Yes. So it's a it's a bad costume
objectively, but also no one gets it or they really just also
I think I think they also just think it's a bad costume is part
of the problem this is. True.
Yeah, shirtless with wig doesn'tusually give Thor.

(53:32):
Although I'll grant, I'll also say.
Did he have a hammer? He did.
No, he no, he had a he had a very small hammer.
He had like a regular working hammer or something.
He had something in his hand, but it was not Thor's hammer,
which probably would have been ahelpful tool besides the wig to
have. If I honestly, if there were
anything I was going to use for a Thor costume to convey that
it's Thor would probably be hinge really on having a hammer.

(53:57):
Like the? The number one feature of the
costume would be that I. Mean you you could you could
stick anything into like one of those boxes that 24 packs of
soda cans come in and just like the and it would look better
yeah yeah I mean he's a he's AI.Don't I don't blame them for not
having football guy be crafty orwhatever, but it's.

(54:20):
Yeah, fair enough. Although he does have a tool
shed and safety goggles so he could that's.
True. Yeah, all these guys have a
fucking tool shed. What the hell?
They have like an entire tool room they can craft.
So they go to the at the party at the Bittle house.
They arrive early, although so does Margo and.
And she's wrong to do that. Even though they said the start
time I was 8. You're supposed to just know you
arrive an hour late. That's such a 50 year old

(54:42):
writing a young person thing. Nobody just does.
Nobody intentionally arrives late to parties.
It just happens. Like it's just like a thing you
do when you're young, like, yeah, and when you're old too.
It does not just to just do it, but the power goes out and they
have to go in the basement and they find mysterious magic items
and when Isaiah goes to the breaker, he finds the evil

(55:05):
camera. Did you see what was on Isaiah
phone as he was looking around? Like what the hell was that?
Does he have just have the creepiest wallpaper?
It looked like to me his screen was broken, is what I thought I
was like, is his phone broken orsomething?
Yeah, it was like, it was weird,you know?
His art was strange. I thought like, yeah, I thought
it was like a. Camera for for a minute, but.
For a second, I mean, I I thought his screen was broken.

(55:26):
It was. And it was like the, yeah, like
the the IT was causing the picture to be fucked up.
That would be, that would be fun.
But if, if it's fucked up, that would be cool if it was like
broken because, you know, as a, a guy who had a brother in who
was a footballer, he, his, his phone was always broken because

(55:48):
of all of the, the, the physicalstuff that he would be doing.
It wouldn't be that weird to do that for young people because
they often break their phones asyou adults, but they also can't
afford to buy a new one. Yeah, it's a nice subtle like,
like, yeah, it's a very, it's a humanizing thing.
That would be fun. But yeah, no, he just had some
weird like, I don't know what the hell that was.
I don't know, but he finds the camera, he takes he he comes

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back up in the basement. Spooky fake out scene happens.
Also, we have skipped, I should say, Margot arrives and there's
some conflict here between Margot and Isaiah and Allison
because Allison is insecure about Margot being good friends
with Isaiah and also the fact that she didn't know she was
invited to this party because I didn't tell her.

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And also Margot is she oh man, another fucking 50 year old
writing script thing because shelike Isaiah tells her she can't
come to the basement and she's like, OK, well, very patriarchal
of you. It's like, read the room, read
the room, Margot, read it just like.
Also fuck they didn't phrase it as stay out of the basement.
I know. Well, well, well, well.

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It's spoilers that Season 2 Bob.Fine.
That's that's. I'm putting it out.
There, Ross from Friends is the dad instead of the basement.
The guy who shouts PEVAT is the yeah is a goosebumps material.
Brandon, what happens to this party?
What's what's what's the next thing that happens at this
fucking party? Isaiah finds the evil camera.

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The basement door closes. He takes his girlfriend's
picture. Margo explains that the song Hey
Ya, which came out before she was born, propagated the myth of
shaking a Polaroid picture. It is notable that this did not
come out before the actor Margotwas born.
It almost did, but definitely before this teenager would have
been born. I presume people still listen to

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Outcast Outcast rules. Later, the party has started.
Lucas asks if Margot is sexy. Keanu Reeves, though she is
wearing a brown trench coat and no glasses.
At that moment, Strange Isaiah finally says his girlfriend's
name out loud. Wow.
He says it also in a very funny way.
He says. Allison, I can't do this
anymore. Allison, he's like, I mean, I'm

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proud they told me what her nameis.
I could say it now. And it was really weird for me
having to talk around it this whole time.
So, yeah, so while Isaiah and Allison are arguing about
Margo's presence and the fact that Isaiah withheld the the
information he had invited her, which is.
Yeah, I I agree to Allison's point here, that it it is weird
that he didn't tell her. It's weird.
I agree. She's correct.
Yeah, she's correct. Margo also says that it's bad

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that he didn't do that. So they're they're both correct.
They're both omnipotently correct, Correct.
They can do no wrong. But Allison or Margo's there in
a what she is calling a spy costume, which is just a trench
coat and sunglasses, and Lucas comes over to her because he's
attracted. He's into her.
He's like, hey, what are you, a sexy Keanu Reeves?

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What? What?
Lucas again, what? Like what?
Keanu Reeves. What is that?
What is that? He is supposed to be like the
brain damaged guy so. I mean, he's.
Dumb, he said. Words but like, is he?
Is he referencing the Matrix because he I mean there's a
woman on the cover of the MatrixDVD like like there's like.

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Trinity is a fairly well known character from the Matrix.
Yeah, she's wearing a black suit.
This one's wearing a brown trench coat.
And at the moment he says it, noglasses.
Maybe she was supposed to already be having the glasses on
because they do look like MatrixI.
Think you guys are looking for logic from the character who
moment in a couple seconds will ask if anyone wants to see him

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eat a worm. So.
Yeah, well, I actually there. He doesn't ask if anyone wants
to see me in a worm. He literally walks up to Isaiah
and says do you want to watch meeat a worm?
And Isaiah says yes. Yes, that's pretty good.
That was that was funny. Also, minor spoilers, he does
not eat the worm. Later it cuts away, but later in

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another episode, Isaiah will say, Oh yeah, he chickened out.
He didn't actually eat the worm.I feel like he watched it.
You want to see me eat a worm? And then he's just like, no, I
can't do. It OK, all right?
I feel like we saw him do it, but I guess you know.
He didn't quite no, he it did look really gross.
It was like wet and dripping andhe was holding it and and.

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Yeah, he, I should say he, he approaches Margo.
His approach to this girl, he's interested in a super.
Now this one, I'll grant you, may be realistic, is to show her
a cup full of worms he found in the kitchen.
Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
It's funny as they cut around toit because when he's talking to
her the cup is extremely obviously fully empty.
Yeah, until, until we get the close up on the cup completely

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full of worms. Anyway, Kids partying, Mr.
Bratt. Here Mr. Bratt arrives.
It declares it is his house and tells them to get out, but he is
being kind of chill about it. Allison walks off into the woods
and sees a shadowy figure standing there.
She turns and he is standing in another place.
She runs, and now it is Harold in front of her who bursts into

(01:00:59):
flames. That's the end of that scene.
This scene was foretold by the, by the, by the picture, by the.
Camera. We'll later find out that the
the picture that was taken usingthe evil camera foretold that
Allison would have a freak out in the.
Yeah, she would. She would be looking
uncomfortable. She'd be looking scared in the

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woods. OK, comfortable.
It was so hard discerning like aMargot's expression, like what?
And then later you realize what's happening, but when you
see both of the pictures of. The pictures.
And Allison, it's just like, what do they do?
Are they just look? Yeah, so Isaiah, Isaiah

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eventually looks these photos. I forget exactly.
It's like after the party, afterthe Woods sequence.
Happens. Yeah, for.
The I mean like the next day he's he looks at the photos that
have been taken and recognizes the face she's making is the
face he saw in the woods, but that her making those he as he
when he finds her. But yeah, he finds.
Her but but but it is interesting yes unlike the

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camera in the book where the picture is they take are very
clearly something is is wrong right the picture is taken of
Allison and Margot are honestly.Innocuous.
Like they're just like two womenlooking uncomfortable, which
which would be what would happenif you flash the polar right in
their face randomly as well. So like.

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Yeah, it's kind of a failure of visual storytelling.
Like they should be doing something that's pretty easy to
see. I think.
Like they probably thought, should we make Margot's face
look like, puffed up in red or whatever, but like, no, no,
we're not gonna. Well, it's an interesting thing
because it provides them with plausible deniability that there
is anything supernatural at the camera.
But then later it's established that no one else can see the

(01:02:42):
photos, so there's there is no reason for this like.
We have, we have the, the, the boy, the Herald is, is like on
fire everywhere. People are seeing him.
And granted, this is early, so we don't know exactly how, how
direct things are gonna get, butstill, I, I mean, I think at the
very least, like I don't think that the teens would see those

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Polaroid pictures and be able toconnect them to like life
events. They're just too big.
Yeah, yeah, you could just say they're just bad photos, yeah.
Yeah, I will say that the the failures that we're pointing out
are fixed when Isaiah eventuallytakes a pic, gets a picture
taken of himself and. Florida, that is, It is direct.
Yeah, and it's very obvious, like, oh, that's not good.

(01:03:25):
Well, so I think you have to kind of, I had to kind of pause
to look at the picture to see the broken arm in it.
But like, like I, oh, you didn'tsee it.
I thought there was blood in it too, but.
I did. There is.
I mean, I think they show up pretty fast and I don't.
I didn't immediately read it as him having broken his arm.
I had to go back and look at it.But you are correct then in the

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subsequent photo that that, you know, So as Isaiah learns.
Well, I guess, yeah. What next?
What next happens is that Margo eats the peanut butter, the
peanut candy, right? And she she's bit Margot sees
Biddle in the hall and then she while she's getting a candy bar
and he maybe either she accidentally ordered but buys

(01:04:08):
the wrong candy or he magically ghostly gives her the wrong
candy. But she's allergic to nuts and
so she eats nuts and then she has an allergy attack.
But don't worry, Isaiah is here to give her EpiPen.
Because he saw he remembered thepicture and was like, oh fuck.
And then ran over there. Yeah.
Hang on this briefly. We skipped something important.

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OK, yeah, Isaiah and James are talking about how James did a
gay make out with Sam off screen.
That's my off screen gay shit. I figured.
I figured the fact that we did not see James in the in the
party and the fact that he referenced it.
And once I found out what they were doing with episode 2 with

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the with the character that was about, I assumed we would later
see what James was doing at the party.
And I assumed that perhaps this would happen on screen and I was
correct in that. Yeah, once you get to the second
episode and you realize what they're doing narratively, it's
like, oh, OK, so paying attention to the what happened
at the party is actually. We are following these
characters through stuff that happens at the party.

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Yeah, and we're. Encountering, encountering their
own, each of the four evil objects, they were shown in the
beginning of the film as being encountered by a different team.
And we are shown. Yeah, yeah.
They're they all housed in the woods.
They went into the house in the woods basement and I know each
of them picked one out. Yeah, I.
Was going to make a reference tothat with the stay apart gas.

(01:05:32):
Cabin in the woods. Sorry.
It's a little cabin in the woodsy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I should say, right before
this happens, immediately preceding Margot encountering
Harold and choking on the candy bar, right before this is where
as Isaiah examines the evil pictures after Mr. Bratt brings
back his backpack from the house.

(01:05:53):
So. Oh.
Right, Mr. Bratt shows up at school.
Yes, yes, yes. One of my notes is that Isaiah
examines the evil picture and the very next scene is
delivering on this because like they were, they had to rush
through. Like I I'm kind of surprised
that they were able to cram all of this crap into the first
episode. They have the setup for our
characters and the evil camera plot is completely in the first

(01:06:17):
episode. It's very fast.
They blaze through, say, cheese and die.
Blaze through it. Thank you for sticking with the
4:20. I was, I mean, you're so
welcome. Not intentional, but yes. 420
blaze it. But yeah, Mr. Bratz is at school
in a funny scene with Justin Long.
Yeah. Trying to be a cool teacher.

(01:06:38):
Kind of trying to be a cool teacher.
Yeah. Strange sequence.
I mean, it, it feels like a scene that exists so that Isaiah
can look at the pictures. Like, like is, is sort of what
it feels like there. And to establish that Mister
Bratt is the English teacher, the new English teacher.
It's it feels like a strange scene.

(01:06:59):
Like what what Justin's Long Long's character is asking
Isaiah to do is to tell the kidsat school that his house is
occupied now, but the only person that has access to his
house is Isaiah. Like Isaiah literally has keys
to his house because his dad is working on it.
That's the only reason anyone has been inside that house in
years. So I don't.

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It's a strange sequence, but yeah.
So the Margot begins to be allergic, an allergy attack and
she is saved by the EpiPen. I will say I don't know, I guess
I wanted to talk to talk about this a little bit earlier, but
it works here too. The the effects in this show are
actually pretty, pretty good. Like they kind of fall apart.

(01:07:44):
A little, yeah. I think it looks fine.
I think it looks pretty good, yeah.
I think the flame effects on Harold look pretty good.
Yeah, I think they're done pretty damn well.
For a streaming kids horror show, yeah, looks great.
I mean, it looks pretty solid, yeah.
Brandon, what the fuck did you just post in the discord?
He posted a little the one of the dogs has blaze it.

(01:08:07):
OK. Fart says 4/20. 420 Oh, I didn't
see the dog. The discord cut it off.
I didn't see the four. 20 Sorry I meant to post this earlier.
There was a sitting in the in the buffer a little time.
So this was This is Luigi in a cross of ice.
Bomberman crucified Gabu man Gabu man crucified I.
I'm sorry, I don't. I don't fuck with Digimon, but

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what what is happening? Why you?
Fight for your sin, Bob. Is that real?
That's real. That really happens.
Yeah. He died for our sins and I.
Don't know that he gets, I don't.
Know you know the story. I don't.
Know I don't fight for that reason, but he is certainly
crucified. And then wait wait wait wait.
Is this your? Comment The tale of Jesus Christ

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but. No Digimon is the.
No, no, I wish God, I wish so Isaiah realized.
Isaiah realizes this camera is cursed, so he goes to James, who
nearly hits him with his Jeep and also takes a picture of him
with the. Camera his Rubicon.
His Rubicon, Yes, that's right. I scratched my Rubicon bro, he
says. Bro.

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And then he takes a photo of himwith the evil camera and says
it's stupid to think the camerasare cursed.
Although knowing what I know about the third episode of the
show, we know that this is in fact evil James or something.
Goop James in this scene. This.
James this. James is made of goop.
So now we have of course a picture of Isaiah with a broken

(01:09:32):
arm playing football. So now he knows, Oh no, if I
play football tonight in the biggame, I will break my arm, which
will be a problem for my career and my scholarship.
I'm going to be haunted as fuck.I'm going to be.
Haunted as fuck. I'm going to be haunted as fuck.
Bro, to be to be clear. To be clear, Mario was
describing a compound fracture. It is a compound fracture.

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Yes, it is. He has a bone sticking out,
retreating out. We both screamed compound
fracture the second that we saw it.
So it's a problem, but he has toplay because he needs to be
scouts at the game. He needs a scholarship.
This is a big deal. So he's conflicted.
He goes to Margot and I'm. I got to talk about the scene.
This scene pissed me off OK. This is the like most contrived.

(01:10:19):
This is the most contrived scene, right?
So Isaiah has this very day saved Margot's life by
administering. Literally just finished saving
her. Life maybe, maybe an hour ago,
right? Which she acknowledges.
Which she beginning Yes, she is like thank you so much.
I'm so glad to see you. I really appreciate what you
did. He comes up to her freaked out.
OK begins talking about how the camera has cursed him, but he

(01:10:41):
tries to show her the photos andof course, Oh yeah, try to show
James photo as well. But if no one else can see the
photos, they just blank photos everyone else.
OK, yeah, so they don't but but it's the conflict here is not
that Margo doesn't believe him because I want to stress that
when he says I'm really sorry she's like I can't believe
you're you're doing this to me. I can't believe this.
He goes, I know it's not, I don't believe it either.

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And she goes. Not that.
The issue is not real quick, real quick.
Yeah, the listener guess OK, We've, you know, it's a
contrived argument. What is she going to do?
What is the tack she's going to take against Isaiah in this
moment? Isaiah's problem.
Save her life. And came up to she.
He has come to her. Her friend hit it.
They are friends. They are good friends.

(01:11:24):
They are neighbors. He's come up.
Trump. Yeah.
He came up to Margo freaked out and he's got a problem and she
has a problem with him though. What is the problem that she is
going to bring up Predict? Predict now why is she going?
To be mad at him? Why is she going to dismiss him?
So I want to say again, she's not objecting to the fact the

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camera is haunted. In fact, the statement she makes
implies that she believes the camera is haunted, and she
objects to the fact that Isaiah keeps bringing his problems to
her. She she says you always make
everything about you. What on the day he saved your

(01:12:06):
life this. Fucking camera is cursed.
This is a ghost camera. He's like.
Margo, I found a bunch of diamonds in my backyard.
You always make everything aboutyou.
Yeah, absolutely. Like the from the We Need
Conflict Now Writer's Handbook. It's like, if you need conflict,
just have one of your charactersgo insane.

(01:12:28):
Just go insane and start like needling a person for the
following list of things that you don't have to have written
before at all. You could just have them say it
and then run away. Yeah, I'm not being contrarian
rebuttal turn to Bob, but legitimately I I don't see the
problem here. I think knowing the the you, we

(01:12:50):
already get a little bit of their interactions before this.
We already kind of understand that maybe there's some
unresolved stuff going on here between Isaiah and Margo.
And I think that really, I thinkMargo, Margo does a poor job of
explaining it. Margot waiting for Margot.
But the the thing that's the subtext here is that Margot's

(01:13:12):
really, really mad that Isaiah wants Margot in his life, but
never in the way that either of them want them in their lives.
I mean, I can say textually in this scene, what she says
specifically is that he she thought he was coming over to
make sure she was OK and she is mad that in fact he came over to

(01:13:35):
tell her about the fact that he was about to break his arm due
to a ghost camera that's trying to kill him, which is a problem
and with. Her mind, no matter what it is,
it's a problem. And yet again, Isaiah only
thinks of Margo in terms of likea person who can support her and
help her help him figure out howto solve his problems.

(01:13:57):
I see. I can see that and.
I recognize that. It should be noted that they
have fallen out of being like close.
They still have these unresolvedfeelings, but they have fallen
out and the only reason that they that they started hanging
out now is because of Isaiah needing help with his test.
That's the entire. Reason.

(01:14:18):
You are totally right. You are totally right.
In in like tying that moment together with the only reason
that Margo went to the party is because Isaiah wanted to thank
her for help for helping him cheat on his test so that he can
go to this game and potentially,you know, solidify his future

(01:14:39):
with scholarships. I think the reason this scene is
like this is it like, I think they totally knew all of that
and either it just needed a second pass or this is a
consequence of the fact that they have to cram all of this
crap into the first episode and they have to just book it so
fast. They don't have time to like
really set up this conflict. Because from the way the episode
is put together, it's like Margoand Isaiah are good friends and

(01:15:03):
he saves her life. And then the very next scene,
she's just suddenly like bringing up a bunch of stuff
without actually bringing it up very quickly.
This this scene is very rushed. It's they have to rush through
it and so they can't like properly give all of this its
time. I have no issue with this
conflict and I totally, Bob, I Iget it.

(01:15:24):
Yeah, I I agree that that's there.
It it is there. It is there, and that's totally
fine. My bigger issue is the way this
scene is written. It makes it sound like Margot
fully believes the camera is haunted but also just said I
don't want to make that my fucking problem.
You need to. You need to handle your haunted.
Camera your fucking it's a haunted.
Camera. That's the problem I have with

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the scene. It is very funny to me that we
have been talking for like 20 minutes about like what takes 30
seconds in the show and my next note is Isaiah goes home and
destroys the camera. Period.
Yes, there's nothing to say about that.
He does the right thing, that's the correct.
Thing to do he does the not justthe correct thing, he does the

(01:16:07):
safe thing because he puts on safety goggles before he
destroys his. Guests.
Yeah, I love. That I love that so much.
I love that so much. It's like no other protective
gear. Not even.
I don't think he was he wearing gloves.
I don't think he was wearing gloves.
I don't think he was, but. I also pours lighter fluid on it
and sets it on. Fire.
That's right. That's right.
But he's got the glasses, safetyglass.
And that was on a workbench, right it?

(01:16:27):
Was like presumably his dad's shed.
I mean, I like. The Last of Us.
I thought that scene was really good.
That is exactly what I would think A-Team would do, minus the
part where they exercise workplace safety.
Yeah, yeah. Silly though it is that they
definitely were like, OK, well the actor playing Isaiah for
sure has to wear a safety golf isn't this scene because we're

(01:16:50):
going to be like. That's everything you need.
He didn't. He didn't wear a respirator even
though there was an open flame. That's true.
Come on guys, game time. Baby.
Isaiah is playing the football at half time.
Isaiah finds the camera in his locker.
They do the shot. They do the Dolly zoom.
It's good, I love it. Yeah, everybody looks.

(01:17:10):
It looks so good, Yeah. I liked it.
Yeah, he begins to panic. He tells the other players to
protect the QB instead of do thefootball.
Things start to go badly in the game.
He tries to call time out, but Harold is the referee and he's
on fire. The field catches fire and
everyone around him turns into demons.
I thought the effects look pretty good in this scene.
I agree. Yeah, only Isaiah.
They can see the demons though. Nora sees that he's freaking out

(01:17:33):
and understand and inherently understands that something is
wrong. Isaiah is tackled and receives
the fainted compound fracture. I thought the effects were cool.
I thought it was like it was interesting that as the camera
goes, I guess you can make the Imean it's, it doesn't matter.
It's stupid. The rules don't matter with the
fucking camera. It was just funny that like,

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Biddle appeared because of the like the in the the Allison and
Margo have both been affected bythe camera and both of them were
affected by Biddle. And they just had Bill show up
and stay out of the hallway. Whereas Isaiah gets his finger
shaken and Bill sends him to hell.
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, sends him straight to
hell. It's an escalation, to be sure.

(01:18:14):
All the football players being like zombies and like, yeah,
that's. Fun.
I also thought it was it was funny or what I was thinking
while watching it was like so the the fire hell demons were
replacing appeared to have be beoriginally they appeared to just
be the other players in the field.
So I thought he was like hallucinating that right?
And I really couldn't quite tellif he was still actually playing

(01:18:37):
the game or not. Like if the events were that
were happening were him being pursued by hell demons
completely in his mind, or if hewas being pursued because he was
literally carrying the ball. But then a bunch of hell demons
crawled over the ground and I was like, well, that's too many
men on the field. Ref You gotta you gotta throw a
car on that one. You.
Gotta you gotta blow a whistle on that one ref.

(01:18:58):
That's way too many boys in the field.
Harold. Harold was the ref.
He wasn't doing his job. That's true.
Yeah, but I mean, like, who watches the watchers?
But yeah, exactly. But so Nora also sees like you
can in the way they shoot Nora, she has like flames of her
glasses, yes. So I couldn't quite tell if Nora
did actually. Well, also Biddle looks directly

(01:19:20):
at her. Yeah, she and she, she recalls
this in a later scene as well. So like, she, she, she is aware
that Harold is there. She sees in her mind, like him,
on the field, on fire. At least that part she sees.
So yeah. This is actually one of the more
interesting aspects of the show.If you want me to, maybe.
Spoil it, lay on me, just hit mewith it.

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Nora is basically like, I don't even know what you would call
her. I think I would probably call
her like a sensitive. OK, so she's she's a little,
she's sports, she's a little bitsidekick, not.
Only that, but there's a really subtle thing that later on, like
when they talk about like when Nora was a teen with her friends
and all of these kids parents attheir school there there's a.

(01:20:04):
Scene where she where Nora walksin to Biddle talking to Slappy
and Nora immediately like takes everything at face value and
kind of immediately knows what'sgoing on and runs out and to get
her friends to tell them like hey this is fucked.
This fucked situation is happening like this.

(01:20:24):
Oh so so much like Margo, she also instantly believes in in
curse. But it's it but that it's, it's
it makes sense because immediately Slappy like look,
it's it's a scene that you'll you might miss.
So it's like it's, it's important to catch this because
Slappy turns to her and goes, there's something weird about
that girl. And so it's like an, it's like

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a, a hint that like she's something is she's got some
sensitive stuff. She's like a medium or
something. She's got mini chlorians.
So she's, yeah, she's got mini Chlorians.
Three dogs in a trench coat. She's three dogs in a trench
coat. I mean, I, I definitely, I, I
definitely gathered from this scene, at least there is some
meaningful connection between her and Bittle.

(01:21:06):
That is the my immediate take away knowing nothing else is
that she And also, I mean, from the next scene, we're in the
hospital where we find out that Isaiah will recover from this
injury, but it will take months.And Isaiah, I mean, it's not
that I I understand his reactionbecause he's a teen and it's
frustrating. But it is very funny where he
like gets shitty with his dad about his dad being like, you're

(01:21:27):
gonna make a full recovery. And he's like, that's too long.
It's like, yeah, man, what do you want me to fucking do about
it? I can't unbreak your arm.
I can't. I can't like the first time.
And the dad says we'll find a way to pay your tuition.
And the mom now is like, yeah, everybody's, everybody's having
conflict. Conflict in this scene.

(01:21:47):
Yeah. And then Nora shows up and is
like, Ben, Isaiah's dad, we haveto talk.
Biddle has come to pay for the sins of the father.
He's on this, the blood of the son.
And it's like, what the fuck, Nora?
And weirdly, Ben reacts like, oh, fuck he.
She's right. Next episode though, he does not
agree like. Yeah, we're gonna have to get

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the crew together, Yes. And I thought, oh, wow, the
parents are, like, on board withthis.
This is like a Freddy Krueger thing.
Like, oh, the parents know we'regoing to have to fight this
ghost. No, it is like a Freddy Krueger
thing with parents reject the fact that he's back.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then we get I get those goosebumps every time.

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Importantly, the way that she phrases this to Ben in the
hospital. Laid on me.
It's very silly. Yeah, she's she in the hallway,
Nora stops Ben and tells him what?
That she saw Harold and that he's come to pay them back for
what quote we did to him. So again, this is when when Bob
was saying he thought that they were setting up for it, like
they fucking killed Harold or whatever.

(01:22:50):
I assume that's. Yeah, I assumed that from this.
Yeah, yes. That they were being monstrous
teens and turned into an accident that killed him or
something. Yeah.
I mean it's a little wrote, but I would be my assumption.
At the very least, they're hiding something.
They're. Complicit in some.
Way, and I think they explicitlystayed at one point that our

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lives will be ruined if the truth gets out.
Yeah, the the final thing that happens in this house is Mr.
Brat is at the Biddle house. He will just standing there
turns to ashes and flies up intoMr. Brat's whole nose and mouth
situation. Yes, he is possessed.
Then you get those goosebumps every time.
Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.
I get those goosebumps every time I need the Heimlich.

(01:23:36):
I need that Heimlich. Can I quickly ask y'all a
question? Yeah, uh huh.
OK, I got a couple questions. One How do we feel about the
intro to this Goosebumps show? Oh, you mean the the episode
intro the episode the the the the the goose ink on page income
page, Yes. Yeah, it's straining across a

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page. I think it looks very
professional. I don't feel anything.
Sterile. I think.
It's sterile, I think. That's why it sucks.
Yeah, OK. I yeah, I think it's a little
boring. I think that the original TV
intro is perfect. Yes.
Like, why not like let's let's play up the nostalgia, you know,
the the whole show there. Needs to be a dog barking

(01:24:19):
evilly. I need the dog bark, bark, bark.
I need the bark, bark, bark, bark.
Yeah, come on, it says. Very sterile.
Feels a little bit too. It feels a little too prestige
TV to me for what we're getting here.
It could be way more fun. Yeah, it could be way more it.
Would be more, yeah. Yeah, I think that's probably
one of the qualities I like least about the show is it's

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just I wish it had more fun, a little dry.
And it's a little sterile. It's just a little sterile the
whole time, like. Yeah, I think one of the things,
the cinema sensification of media has really sucked because
I feel like things are trying tobe way more realistic now.
Yeah. I wish that they would just have
fun with it. I wish that people like could be
a little bit more whimsical and not necessarily.

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I mean, not to get ahead of, notto get ahead of the things, but
this is my the thing that Brandon and I are talking about
when watching this is who is this for?
Yeah, Like who's the audience for this?
Like it gives YA, but there's times where it seems like it's
aiming higher or lower. Like it's they've chosen to
adapt Goosebumps, which is a children's book.

(01:25:22):
I mean, in our target audience, 12 years old.
OK, right. Because it's right.
But they've aged everyone up andthey've made it, You know, it's
not exactly a cool Goosebumps that fucks, but it's definitely
a cool Goosebumps that like makes out a little bit that does
kissing, you know, it does kissing, smooching in it, you
know, So that's kind of weird. So it's not really a show for

(01:25:44):
the audience of people who wouldbe reading Goosebumps, a book
series that is still being published.
It's probably be a little bit too YA for the people who
watched or read Goosebumps as kids the the prime market I
would think. That to answer your question, I
think that it's for multiple audiences and you know, it's

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playing with our expectations and it's also speaking to
multiple different audiences. I don't think that anyone
specific audience would get everything out of this, but I
think that if you're watching itas an older millennial who grew
up with Goosebumps, you'll get something out of it.
And then if you're watching it as like a, you know, a team, I
think that we are correct in ouroriginal criticism that this is

(01:26:29):
a little bit more ya than I think Goosebumps is known for or
should be known for. I think Goosebumps over the
years has kind of shifted to being more like way more YA than
it originally was. And I don't know if I agree with
that because the premise of Goosebumps is really just kind
of like it's, it's a little bit more zany than something more

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realistic and, and grounded likeFear Street.
I was talking to Rachel about I haven't really read Fear Street,
but according to Rachel, like Fear Street is is way more about
like the real dangers of like being a teen.
It is and like it. Is it is there is much less
supernatural. Stuff like your your boyfriend
being a murderer, yeah, and stuff like that.
And that's that feels. We've all been there, yeah.

(01:27:12):
There is there is much less supernatural stuff in Fear
Street is a thing I know about it now.
Interesting. The Fear St. movies at Netflix
had a bunch of. There's time travel.
There's magical time. There's but tons of supernatural
shit on it. In fact, it's entirely.
Sometimes I wonder and I'm I'm not presuming to know anything
because you know, I'm so far away from any like anything even

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close to the roduction of these sorts of things.
It feels to me sometimes like the writers and the people
working on it are kind of like bored with the idea of justice
writing kids media and they likeare trying to plus it up in some
way to make it interesting to themselves.
It's like when I hear this script and they've got like
little, little jabs staring at Jen's ears or something like
that, like the guidance counselor joke or someone like

(01:27:55):
something that happened that I can tell my therapist about.
I'm like, who's this for? Is this for us?
Is he a? 50 year old writers of the show.
There's a there's a line one of the kids specifically criticizes
like millennials. I forget exactly what the
criticism was and I forget if itwas in this episode.
But yeah, the they're the kids do throw a jab at millennials.

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But then there's also a later episode where the possessed
Biddle through his the person he's possessing says like that's
the that's the problem with kids.
You kids these days. You can only like ingest short
form stuff. Your your attention spans are

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shot. YouTube has ruined it for you or
something along those lines. And it's like that doesn't even
make sense because is has Biddlebeen alive this whole time?
Like is. Is.
How does Biddle know that? Yeah, what does he know?
How does he know what a YouTube is?
Yeah, he says. YouTube's because it's funny to
plot and to make something plural.

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It's also just like again, and the thing I said earlier, it's
like, I feel like I understand, I say this recognizing fully.
There's a lot that goes into it and it's more complicated than a
general, a sweeping generalization I'm about to
make, but it just sort of feels like they could have just not
done. This.
This they could have, they couldhave just they could have called

(01:29:21):
it goosebumps, some colon, something else, you know what I
mean? Like or, or not even Goosebumps
and just not had the goosebumps parts to it, you know, like they
it, it feels just so perfunctoryto have these parts.
Yeah. I'm glad that people got paid to
work on it. That's true.
That's true. Yeah.
Glad Jess and Long got a paycheck.

(01:29:42):
Even if I don't like it, I'm glad, yeah, I'm glad that these
people got work. If it makes you feel any better,
the second season is called Goosebumps.
The Vanishing So. It is, but also they adapt a few
stories there. Yeah.
Which is like what? I don't understand.
I really wish that because you, you, you are tuning into

(01:30:03):
something. I think that's a very real
criticism of not just the show, but like the what Goosebumps
means to people, like what the brand is.
Because I think that a lot of people when they think of
Goosebumps, they they think of when they're writing for it and
especially for the show and the writers of the show, they think
what is Goosebumps? And then they look at the past

(01:30:23):
and they look at past books and they're like, oh, Goosebumps is
its history. Goosebumps is the haunted mask.
It's, you know, stay out of the basement.
It's monster blood. It's all these original books
that that came out. But really, if you drill down to
it, if you get right down to the, to the core of it, what
Goosebumps is, is it's the the Twilight Zone for kids.

(01:30:50):
Yeah. And I, I really wish that more.
I really wish that they opened up the IP to like really lean
into that instead of just retreading the same territory
that. Yeah, like what if they had just
done a new anthology show, whichI recognize RL Stein has done
several of those. Haunting Hour is 1 but like, why
not just bring back the Goosebumps label for an

(01:31:13):
anthology TV show like. Well, I think we can all pretty
pretty safely guess that the reason this project happened in
the 1st place was. And again, these are the the
showrunners. The writers are 50.
They didn't grow up with Goosebumps.
They were in their 20s when Goosebumps was just getting
started and it would have been athing they were aware of.
Probably as a cultural phenomenon, but more from the

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perspective of a person that might have to buy their kids
some Goosebumps books someday asopposed to or see them at a
Scholastic book fair as A to people that would care about
them specifically. They probably saw Fear St. and
said can we look we can adapt another IP in this area.
How would we do it? Well, let's take a look at the
books. OK, these are children's books
with horror stuff in them. We could do, I kind of want to

(01:31:56):
do like AI don't know, like a Stranger things overarching
storyline thing, cuz that's way easier to write and we wouldn't
have, we would get to reuse all the same actors.
Yes, that's just a thing I hate about and about media now is we
have to do that shit. Yeah, it's, it's 100% production
focus 1st. And like I don't even think that

(01:32:16):
it's like there's, there's aspects of the production that
are pretty good. But like, I mean, I think
everybody knows in the deep in their heart of hearts, somewhere
down there, they know anthology stories, anthology shows, they
rule because it's just like way more value for money.
You get to see a lot of cool stuff you get.
And like these overarching storylines are often not very

(01:32:36):
compelling, you know, like they're pretty basic because
they have to be because we're trying to stuff them into this.
We're, we're, we're filling up the sausage and we have to hit
our points and stuff. And so it leads to like all
kinds of weird pacing. I understand why people think
that they can do this. I understand why they try to do
it, I just don't think like it. It often doesn't really work.

(01:32:57):
So to something you point, you said Brandon, which I think is
extremely on point, the fear St.comparison or they saw Fear St.
actually Fear St. this into production like before the fear
St. thing came out or the deal was made and fear St. had been
in production help for like years.
I'm literally just learning this.
But what I bet they said was that they saw or what happened

(01:33:20):
is they saw Stranger Things yeahand said we need to do a 90s one
for 90s kids. I.
Think there were a ton of projects that bloomed in
people's brains when they saw Stranger things.
I mean, there's always nostalgia.
Nostalgia based TV shows and movies have always been a thing.
Back to the Future was like literally a A2 Fer on on that.

(01:33:43):
And like it is one of very, verymany.
I'm sure every single guy, everysingle writer in Hollywood is
like, I want to do, you know, a nostalgia thing about my
childhood or, or whatever. They, it's just like, it's a,
it's like we have an audience. They're, they're always aiming
for an audience. And picking a particular time
period and, and representing that in some way is like
shorthand for I'm appealing to this audience.

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And also if you do it in two time periods, you're appealing
to two different audiences. It's it's like a natural thing
for a writer to care about, I think.
Also, I I just was going to say a thing that drives me crazy is
that and and horror podcasts do this too.
A lot of horror media and media in general does this because
they know that anthology format is not the most marketable form

(01:34:25):
of media. Even though to me it seems like
it should be a no brainer that like one off episodes are the
easiest thing for people to. Watch yeah, especially if you've
got a legacy A. Bunch of legacy franchise, yeah,
however. They're worried about retention.
Yeah, because if I'm not listening to fucking 100 hours
of shit, like that's just makes me not want to engage with it,

(01:34:46):
with your content. Right, Yeah.
However, I think that in the streaming format and also I, I
think they just, people just learned this.
And also I think writers have a difficult time like restraining
themselves from doing this in the case of podcasts.
But they'll start with the idea of doing an anthology and then
they'll decide that the the telling an overarching narrative
is like the the more compelling story, which it's like in the

(01:35:09):
case of this show, I would say the overarching narrative is
more compelling. But it's mostly because in the
1st 2 episodes and maybe the first four, it's that they so
they are forced to minimize the anthology story to such a degree
that of course it is less compelling than the overarching

(01:35:32):
narrative because the story is given like no time to breathe
and and no time to be lived in. Yeah, so I do think they're
trying to like, I I do like thatthey're trying to make a
goosebumps that they're still trying to do the the episode
stories. They're way too fast.
They're it doesn't really fit. But I was just imagining a

(01:35:53):
version of this where they didn't really where the stuff is
just kind of there superficiallyand it's the Herald narrative
and that just at this point thatit would seem like so empty to
me. I'd be like, where's the
goosebumps? We all be criticizing it for not
being goosebumps enough. I don't think it's perfect.
I think it's kind of messy and definitely too fast.
But I do appreciate that they were trying.
I don't know what I feel. I feel conflicted.

(01:36:14):
I feel conflicted. I think if the Goosebumps stuff
wasn't there, I think that the overarching narrative wouldn't
feel super compelling now. Maybe the characters with flaws
and stuff. Maybe it gets more humming
later. I should clarify.
But, and I don't think, I mean, it's not like I'm saying it's

(01:36:35):
doing a disservice to the original because like that would
imply the original was astoundingly good, which it's
it's not. I mean, like we've we've, we've
both read and watched much of Goosebumps and we can tell, I
can tell you it's, I mean, it's fine for kids, probably not
great, not great for adults, youknow, like charming, but not

(01:36:55):
good. And although it I would say it
had more character to it than the way this is present did to
your earlier point, Bob about itlike the the the title sequence
and just kind of generally it tome, it feels a little sterile,
but it's certainly less. I mean, this is better plotted
than an episode of Goosebumps from the 90s.

(01:37:15):
Like, you know, like, Oh yeah. And that's one of the reasons
why I like it, I think because we, you know, for what
Goosebumps is, Goosebumps isn't,I hate to say this on our
Goosebumps podcast, but Goosebumps isn't that good.
No, it's not. I mean, no, no, no, no, no.
Much of this podcast has been learning that it's frequently
bad. From the from the perspective of

(01:37:37):
older people reading. Them that's what I was going to
say. Like, yeah, you know, we when we
were kids, this was the shit. And it was really cool to be
into horror media as a kid. Yeah, I think Goosebumps is like
foundational horror media for kids.
And that's valuable in a different way.
Like even though we're adults and we're reviewing them and as
adults and we're talking about how like, you know, how their

(01:37:57):
flaws from the perspective of anadult, like thinking, how would
I write this? This feels, you know, that
here's there, there are these problems for it.
And even if sometimes it would be like this would be
frustrating for a kid, it's still valuable for those things
to exist. I don't think that people that
work on children's media get enough credit for for doing what
they're doing. That stuff is important.
It's really about it. It's nice for people to write

(01:38:19):
things for kids and no one should take, you know, our very
often heavy criticism of narratives aimed at younger
people as like, this is bad, this has no value, This is
trash. We say that, but like that's
from the perspective of of an old man.
I'm very glad these things existand I hope that there's stuff
like this still coming out today.
Teaching kids like how horror works and, you know, giving them

(01:38:41):
babies first exposure to how suspense scenes work.
It's cool, it's nice and it makes our lives better.
So I and for what it's worth, I,I don't, I don't hate this show.
I have, I have certainly seen worse IP resurrection type
shows. Yes, I don't think it's this is
the best or most compelling one,But also, you know, I don't, I

(01:39:04):
don't even necessarily know thatI'm the target audience for it.
This feels. Go ahead.
If you like this show like, I would say that a better version
of this is probably the Sabrina reboot.
I was thinking of the Sabrina reboot.
Because this shares a lot of DNAwith that.
Like a surprising amount. The Chilling Adventures of

(01:39:25):
Sabrina and you guys were sayingthat like I think that this that
the Goosebumps show definitely like, you know, owes its, you
know, existence to Stranger Things in some part, but I also
think that it owes its existenceto the Chilling adventures.
Of it's a fairpoint that's a. Fairpoint yeah.
And like the whole Netflix, likelet's let's revive a bunch of

(01:39:46):
IPS and the dark side of which is shit like the Avatar movie.
Yeah, the the darkest side, the the saddest side.
Yeah. I just think that they're, I
think the, the core question is what is Goosebumps like?
And I think that a lot of the criticism of this show can be
like distilled down to like what, what is it and how can it

(01:40:09):
properly exist? And I think that the, like, I
think the anthology idea is like1000% on point.
I think that you can do an anthology series.
I think that the the the this show.
The the newer show, the 2023 show like plays with it because
the first few episodes are basically modern versions of the

(01:40:31):
original. So like the haunted mask is
probably the most the best example of this because it's it
has the entire episode to to breathe.
And we learn like the the way that the haunted mask, the way
that it works is very similar tohow it works in the book.
And I, I think that this is probably the best example of

(01:40:53):
this. However, it's still bogged down
by the the overall story. It's still.
Like, yes, I was going to say. I was going to say.
Yes, but what I'm saying is, is that if we were get to get close
to that, this episode would be like the the closest we could
get to that. And I'm, and that's kind of what
I'm but what I'm trying to say is like, you can still do an

(01:41:15):
anthology series and have like an overarching narrative in the
background happening. And I think that that's a really
interesting and compelling way to do a story like this.
However, the background story that should be happening in the
background is like the four in the foreground.
And I think that that's probablythe biggest criticism.
That that yes, that is my I agree completely yes, that the
the background story is the focus in this show.

(01:41:37):
Right. It's it should be the frame
narrative, not not the whole show.
Right. And when you realize that
actually the Goosebumps TV show,I really wish that they didn't
put Slappy in the in the poster,because that kind of gives it
away in a way that because at a certain point you realize that
this entire show is basically one giant reboot of Night of the

(01:42:02):
living dummy. And once you realize that, it's
like, oh, the like the least compelling Goosebumps story.
I'm not kidding. I do not like like Slappy.
And this is one of the reasons Ithink I don't like Slappy is
because at what point did Goosebumps just become the, the,
the story of Slappy the dummy over and told over and over and

(01:42:25):
over again? Like, I'm tired, man.
Like the, the, the, the movie had something to do with this.
Although I think the movie does a bunch of really fun and cool
things and cute things with the IP but it's just like God fuck
I'm so sick and tired of Slappy the goddamn dummy.
I could have been worse. They could have rebooted The

(01:42:45):
Curse of the Mummy's Tomb. That's true.
I'll take it honestly. I have great news.
The second season is apparently,well, from what I can tell, all
stay out of the basement. Is the like the the equivalent
thing they're doing interesting.Although it may also be body
body squishers or squeezers, I'mnot sure.
OK, well there I can see that there's there is a thread

(01:43:07):
between the stay out of the basement and yeah.
There's something there. Speaking of that, let's let's,
let's just let's just sort of, let's sort of do it.
Let's just do a top level. Let's just do a top level
discussion of Haunted Mask. Yeah, I, I was going to say like
one of the, if you remember fromhalf an hour ago when I
initially started talking about the haunted mask, I asked like,

(01:43:29):
I have a couple questions for you all.
Yeah, Sure, sure, sure, sure. The other one is, who else
thought that this character in this episode, that this episode
centers around, whose name I forget, Isabel.
Isabel. Or Isabel.
Who else thought that this was like a let's get invisible
thing? Because she is invisible?

(01:43:51):
Like no one interacts with her. She says it a.
Lot. She's really getting a lot.
Yeah. So I think that again, so top,
top level, top level this episode is the haunted mask
ignoring the overworking plot. I'm not even getting that right
now. I'm just going to talk about the
plot this episode, and I'm goingto do it.
I'm going to do it quick becauseI'm going to tell you what I

(01:44:12):
don't think it's very good, but I'm not going to do it.
Disservice did it OK, do 20 sentences.
All right, OK, All right, I'll give it.
OK. So in the last episode, we
learned that the AV girl is is there is an AV girl for the
football team She was recording with the pep rally.
OK. This AV girl is the troll being

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referenced by Allison in the previous episode.
We learned this. We learned this instantly.
It's like the first thing we learned.
Not that it was a big secret because she's in the background
of every scene they talked aboutthe troll in.
And then I think that's bad. I just mean that they do, they
actually do set it up. So to their credit, it is
actually there. That's a good thing.
It becomes relevant very quickly.

(01:44:54):
It's she's goosebumps. Rorschach is what?
You're right, She's she is there.
It's not a bad thing that you can tell this.
It is actually good writing. But they reveal to you
immediately that she is an online troll.
Yes. She show her typing the.
Troll the messages and literallyher screen name is your fav
troll. OK, yeah.

(01:45:14):
All right, All right. Ignoring that part, we'll talk
about that part. But she tries to get Allison's
party cancelled. But of course, as we know, it
goes off. She finds out where it is
because, as we saw, she's behindAllison in the scene where they
discuss where the party is beingmoved to.
And so she, at the encouragementof her little brother, I'll talk

(01:45:35):
about him later, goes to the party wherein she finds the
haunted mask. In this version of the show, the
haunted mask is like a blank plaster face featureless play.
Like a baby doll. Like a baby doll is sort of
yeah, sort of like a stranger's mask.
Puts it on and for about 5 seconds has a personality.

(01:45:59):
At this party she has struggled with the fact that she is unseen
at school, doesn't have many friends or any would appear, and
is ignored and not respected by her peers and also the adults
around her. So she puts the mask on and
becomes a cool person. We it would appear.
It would appear for the one scene it happens a.

(01:46:21):
Really really bizarre feeling scene.
Yes, yes, an awful scene. She's wearing this goofy baby
mask and the the diegetic music makes her to be out to be all of
that. And everybody is like spellbound
by her. Yeah, she does the like, finger
on a person's shoulder walk around thing.
Yeah. To Isaiah, who is, who is

(01:46:42):
bewitched by. Well, she does it to Allison as
well, so apparently she is. Either the mask has brought out
has allowed her to reveal her latent bisexuality, or the evil
mask makes you gay. On screen Geisha.
Hard to tell. Hard to tell.
I don't know if it's brought up later, but hard to tell him this

(01:47:03):
scene, whether or not that's inherent to out to Isabella or
if that is the spooky mask makesyou gay.
From the moment she puts on the mask to the end of the scene is
like 40 seconds. It's.
Wild. It's wild how it doesn't work
like and again, it's one of those things where if you
weren't doing a bunch of stuff with your frame narrative, you

(01:47:24):
would give more time for this scene to breathe.
That wouldn't need it to be longer.
She needed for sure. Like it's such a strange
premise. She needed to have like
everybody in the party legitimately like enter her.
She needed to do something cool.She needed to do a keg.
She just walks in the room and people were like, whoa, what a
hot babe. She's wearing the same costume
as before and but now she has a very disturbing baby face on.

(01:47:47):
So like, it doesn't really read to me.
Like either, like if the if she's supposed to be like
appealing to all these people, it's it's she's wearing a
vampire costume. It's a.
Pretty standard costume. And a weird babyface.
And it's like, I could buy you could write the scene in such a
way. This is 100% a consequence of
the fact that they had to book it through the Yes the episode
narrative. She she then resumes her.

(01:48:12):
Also extremely fucking funny. After the party she goes home
and the mask has a smile on his face.
Right, but because it is this kind of mask, all I can think of
is the scene in scary movie 1 where the ghost face mask is
smoking weed 420 and it has likea goofy I'm high face on.

(01:48:34):
That's all I could think was theway the ghost face mask is a
very boring like that's all I could think, you know?
I'm glad that's funny you mentioned that too, because
Isaiah Howard at certain moments, the his inflection and
the way he acts sounds a little bit like very Wayansy Wayans.
Wayans brother yeah, kind of vibe to it.

(01:48:56):
Yeah, kudos to him on a very convincing American accent.
Marcus voice actress is also British, is she not?
She is definitely not American, I I feel.
Confident she's Issa Issa or Issa Briones.
She was born in London. Yeah, she's British.
Wow, I I figured she was British.
I thought she must have been. Oh, her family moved to LA when

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she was young. So she probably, yeah.
I was like, she doesn't she, shesounds like she's, she's not
like trying so hard or whatever.She's a kudos to that.
She's a Great American accent for Auk based teen or kid young
actor regardless. So the next day she goes to
school and has an issue wherein Lucas destroys her dad's $3000

(01:49:41):
drone which she decided to use to film the football practices.
For some reason she has. She goes the guidance counselor
with Lucas and at the encouragement of the mask, sort
of choose out Lucas and the guidance counselor.
She's very mean to them. Although in fairness, Lucas is a
fucking idiot and destroyed a $3000 piece of equipment, so I

(01:50:07):
can't really say she's not rightto be pissed off at him.
And also that she's not right that that $5 a week, she'll
he'll never repay that fucking he'll never pay that back.
That's a bad. The guidance counselor suggests
a payment plan. He says I can pay $5, which it's
like, no, actually that's bad. No.

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So anyway, she's grounded because the drum was her dad's.
Oh, really? Quick, I do want to say
something about this. The principal's office, guidance
counselor's office. Sure that Lucas is in the room.
So when when she finally leaves after flipping out and saying
some probably true but very hurtful things right about Lucas

(01:50:49):
and to the guidance counselor because of the, you know, the
whispering of the evil mask. Yeah, she leaves the room and
Lucas says something like, so amI?
Am I off the hook or whatever? And it's like, Oh my God, It's
the first time that one of theseteens has been allowed to be a
piece of shit. Yes, to their credit, Lucas is
allowed to be shitty in the scene.
Yeah, like he, he was like he obviously doesn't care.

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He like reads like a real teenager.
It's like if he's supposed to bethe kind of like like messed up
Stoner kid that keeps fucking upand doesn't like have
responsibility and doesn't take responsibility for his actions
or whatever. We all knew that kid or were
that kid. That's true.
Like this is a this is this reads as a teenager.
Now, granted, that comes after he begins talking about how he

(01:51:30):
was thinking about the robot uprising or some shit while he
was doing it. Yeah, she's extremely unfunny
and not good. Let let your characters have
flaws, please just let your kidsand the kids and not just that
they're like lol so random or really goofy or they're really
forgetful man or something like that.
Like actual teenager flaws. But write your teens like teens.

(01:51:53):
A little bit I will say, and you're right, I I wish that they
did that. However, this character.
Has flaws or well, he has has stuff going on.
Has, yeah, has stuff going on. Also, this would be after the
party wouldn't it? So this so this is after he has
been involved in the go eat worms thing.
No. No, it's not.
We we go back in time this. Is we go back in time and
remember he does not eat the worm.

(01:52:15):
No, but I mean, I just mean thathe at this point, wouldn't he be
involved in his own Goosebumps story?
As this not yet this this is before the party.
This is I said drone still not broken the drone.
Scene No no no no. The.
Drone scene is for sure after the party 'cause he literally
wants to watch the footage of the of.
The that's why, yeah, that's why.
Right, sorry. But so.
But it's still not he. He is not in in his own

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Goosebumps story. He is not at Go Eat Worms level
yet. OK.
So he is not in some way being compelled by worms.
Got it. OK.
Not yet, no. He's still his own person.
He's still being affected by hisown personal stuff.
I mean. He may come across as a Stoner,
but he is not. He is just, well, how do I say
he is avoiding? Well, they say that the very the

(01:53:01):
very next scene is the guidance counselor talking to his mom
with whom he is having an affairand she mentions that he is not
handling the death of his dad well and or appropriately.
I didn't remember if that's likerevealed in this.
Episode or appropriately to her vision of what he would be doing
that he is self-destructive. Yeah.

(01:53:22):
Yeah, yeah. So his obviously him being
annoying shitty teen is coming from something right?
Yeah, no, I wasn't saying that was a flaw.
I was saying that's good that hehas any flaw.
I. Agree even even if he didn't
have like a reason to be that way.
You know, teens are are like, even if they don't have like a
dead dad in the family or something that dramatic, they're

(01:53:43):
they're works in progress. And like, one of the things we
were complaining about in the first episode is that like, I
like, we're like these don't really feel like people because
they're all too nice. Yeah, no one can make a mistake.
Right, whereas Lucas is allowed to make mistakes, is the.
And also Isabel is Isabella. Isabella.
I think Isabella is an Animal Crossing character.
I I'm the one that said it, so it's not me.

(01:54:04):
Well. It is Isabella in on the wiki
that shall not be named. Yeah, I I mean, I originally
called her Isabelle. Which is the name of the
Isabelle? Isabelle.
You're saying the opposite. No, OK.
Yeah, you are. Correct, but I forgot what I was
going to. Say, I mean, she is also a
flawed, She's a flawed character.

(01:54:24):
Yeah, and that's what that's thethe thrust of this episode is,
is her flaw, is her life sort ofreflecting on her.
Well, that is the thrust of the 20 minutes she gets on screen.
And I will say that it feels like especially with this and go
eat worms and what's the next episode?
Cuckoo Hawk of Doom. A lot of these episodes have to

(01:54:48):
do with like putting a magnifying glass on the flaws of
either the kids or the parents of the kids.
And I think the the Cuckoo Clockof Doom specifically calls this
out. Go Eat Worms is entirely about
Lucas and why he is the way thathe is because he's a Stoner

(01:55:09):
without being a Stoner. He's he's he's basically, yeah,
handling the the death of his father really badly.
So. And so, yeah, so to, to, to, to,
to put a cap on our Isabella plotline.
Following the grounding she she puts the mask on again and goes
to Lucas's residence and fuckingdecks him into a garbage can and

(01:55:34):
then beats the shit up with a skateboard, which was great and
then which was great. I love that.
Didn't super love the mask. At that point the mask
transforms and makes her into anactual troll.
Wow look at that. Doesn't look great in my
opinion. But you know, OK if someone
disagrees, fair enough. That look as good as the

(01:55:54):
original mask in my opinion. Oh no.
Oh no. Looks, I mean one it's kind of
it's if this I'm not I'm not saying the CG itself is bad it's
not it's you know streaming quality, but I mean the design
of the the face to me is a little bit a little sterile
again, it's. Yeah, if this was like a suit
that they made, like physically or like a rubberized, whatever
that that material is, you'd be like, you want to, you probably

(01:56:18):
want to throw some like some color.
Yeah, it's. Just like like that unfinished.
It just looks like a if you thought of troll in your mind
and then also remove some detailfrom it.
Like, you know, it's like it hasa big nose, has sharp teeth,
Should have had 20 years. It should have been green,
green. It should have fucking looked
like a World of Warcraft troll. My my opinion.

(01:56:38):
That would have been cool. Yeah, yeah.
It's weird that it's flesh tone.Yeah, it is a flesh tone that's.
All that's actually that's my only problem.
Make it green. Green.
If it were green I would say oh it's the haunted mask like.
Yeah, or or a troll. Or a troll.
Yeah, even, but. I do like the Gollum esque look
to it in certain scenes. I mean, I would say.

(01:56:59):
It's a model looks good. I would say it's good fine.
It's. Gollum it's why isn't like the
the haunted mask is one of thoselike iconic and things yeah like
if you're doing this specifically to call back to the
haunted mask yeah, just make hergreen.
Did they not make her green because they wanted her like
arms to like blend with the the?I have no idea.

(01:57:21):
I don't know. I think that I think there were
a couple of times where they've made decisions that were like
misguided, in my opinion, where they're trying to like, they're
like the tone is occasionally like, we want this to be
believable. Like with the pictures that
don't read in the first episode.It's the same thing.
It's like, you can go a little harder than that.
We we are like by the end of that episode, a dead child has

(01:57:43):
fully possessed a a teacher by by burning alive and running up
his nose after he set a a a firea a football field in into hell
world. We don't need this to read, you
know, read as realistic. You can go harder.
You can be fanciful. Yeah.
And make the goblin green. Make the troll green.
You're not going to make it lookexactly like the haunted mask.

(01:58:05):
It shouldn't look like it's a flesh tone.
That's it. Doesn't matter that it looks
like a person. Following this, Margo and Isaiah
arrive because they want to talkto Lucas's mom.
We can discuss the overworking plot separately if you if you so
desire, but just to get the pin on the haunted mask part.
She goes home where she trashes the kitchen.
Her brother. I don't even know her brothers

(01:58:25):
name, if he is named is there athome alone.
He calls her, realizes that it'sher because he thinks she's out
and he's trying to get her to come home to save him from a
burglar or something. She pursues him in a treehouse
and then before she can hurt himhe's like it's me.
And then she's like Oh no what have I become?
And takes the mask off, and thenthey throw the mask on a river.

(01:58:47):
This runtime of this part of thestory is probably cumulatively
maybe 20 minutes. Generously.
Generously. I think it's probably less.
Of a 45 minute. Of a 45 yeah, the the and and
the structure is fine and I haveno issue with the the I mean
like the the troll thing is a little bit OK on the nosey, but

(01:59:12):
OK, fine, fine, fair enough if you want to make your story
about Internet trolls OK all right fine.
I mean I don't think it's great,but it's it's not it's not
nothing. There's there is a vein of story
there. You could, you could mine, but
the greater problem is that it'sjust like it has no time to to

(01:59:32):
build up. Like she puts the mask on,
becomes bisexual. OK, she has an argument at
school and then she puts the mask on and immediately becomes
a troll monster and tries to murder Lucas.
And then she goes home and takesthe mask off because because her
brother appeals to her and she loves her brother.

(01:59:55):
We've never seen. They have interacted, but it is
not really clear that they're very close, you know, You know
what I mean? Like he.
Appears for the first time at the beginning of this.
Episode He is also staggeringly written not like a child,
aggressively unchild he He talksabout the whims of fate like the
child, but he also talks about the history of vampires.

(02:00:18):
He's how they never go out of style.
He's a 12 year old is like, yeah, man, like when I was in
1976 when I was a child originally.
He is the most clearly written by a 50 something year old adult
that that child could ever be. They make no pretense that he is
a child in this in this. She says Isabella says to to her
kid brother. I've just so I just feel like

(02:00:40):
I'm invisible. And he he gazes up into the sky
and says would that it were so simple.
Yeah, he it's just a strange, it's strange because these are
non characters. There's even a part, the part we
were talking about where we werewatching it when when Isabella's
mom is on the phone with her estranged dad.

(02:01:04):
I guess they're going through a separation or something like
that. And she says, I just wanted to
talk to you about the situation with Isabella and how you would
handle it. Like that's not.
Yeah, I'd just like to prompt you for the fact that we are a
strange. I would just like to prompt you
for your opinion on Ari Isabella, our daughter, and what

(02:01:26):
is going on with her situation. Yeah, an out loud.
E-mail We did not have time to flesh this character out.
This wanted to get this one on the screen we have.
No time. Yeah, Yeah.
Again, it's I, I understand whatthey're trying to do and I fully
appreciate, like I think that itis right generally for them to

(02:01:46):
be trying to do episodes that are like self-contained, that
are, that are one particular story.
It's just the frame narrative taking so much time makes it
impossible, and they have to runthrough it so fast that it's
impossible to make these people feel like humans.
The final 5 minutes of the haunted mass story feel
extremely unearned, and I'm not,and that is a consequence of it

(02:02:09):
not having given given enough time in the episode.
The the beats are all fine. They could work fine.
They just don't have enough timeto do it.
And that's my criticism of that episode.
Did we did? Did we talk about how he could
jam on an egg sandwich? No, we did not talk about Biddle

(02:02:29):
at all. OK, he could jam on an egg
sandwich. Justin Long, fully possessed by
the ghost of a child from the 90s, goes to school and has a
funny, you know, men in black body walk scene.
And then he also sort of threatens Isaiah in a locker
room by dressing as a referee and sort of intimating his

(02:02:53):
knowledge of Isaiah's family history.
And then he goes to get an egg sandwich at Nora's Bakery and he
says, she says we're closed. And he says, aw, man, I was
really hoping to jam on an egg sandwich.
And I'm sorry, we're we're actually closing.
We're not open for dinner. No shoot I.

(02:03:17):
Was really hoping to jam on an egg sandwich.
He also hears the song 9 Inch Nails song Terrible Lie playing
on the PA and he's like I love this song.
I'm a kid in the 90s. That was when we were sending
you the messages about no cap. We were like, did any kid in the
90s say I want to jam on an egg sandwich?

(02:03:40):
Yeah, maybe they did. I mean, the guy, the writers
were like in their 20s during the 90s or what?
They where were they? No, no, yeah, yeah, they were.
They were like actually coming out of high school.
One of them and one of them is in their 20s, so maybe they
would know. I was just trying to think what
would I have said if I was eating an egg or wanted an egg
sandwich probably please. Give me an egg sandwich in 2004

(02:04:01):
or two. I want a horf that I want a horf
that sloppy yolk. Mom, I horf on that glory until
my egg go. That's what we would be like,
Bob. Bob.
Yes, your your. Thoughts.
How would you have said I want to eat that egg sandwich in high
school? Rod in hell, rot in hell, rot in

(02:04:24):
hell. Should we?
Say a prayer or something. Rot in hell.
Rot in hell, Rot in hell. Rot in hell.
Rot in hell. Rot in hell, Rot in hell.
For those who don't know when they throw the mask into the

(02:04:46):
river. Oh yeah, you're right, you're
right. They're.
Just like yelling rot in hell atit and it's supposed to be funny
and it's not. It's just way too like like 1
rot in hell would have been fine.
But anyway. But yeah, in terms of like this
episode, I thought I didn't think it was bad.
I, I thought that it was, you know, for what I thought goose

(02:05:08):
of the goosebumps show was goingto be, I thought that it was
going to be more of this. But obviously with like the, the
story that's happening in the background, like way more in the
background with the haunted maskactually taking up a, a good
portion of the story. And I think that it would have
been served better had it done that.
That being said, I think it's still maintains a lot of the,

(02:05:29):
the, the core idea of what the haunted mask is, which is more
than I can say for the next episode, the cuckoo clock of
doom. But you know, I, I like how I
think we're skipping over a lot of stuff and that's fine.
I, I don't need to go back and like rehash it.
But I will say that there is a lot of there's a lot more
context being given to in certain scenes for why Isabella

(02:05:51):
is like, really fucking mad and why she kicks the absolute shit
out of Lucas. Well, he broke his $3000 drone
for, I mean to be in a very stupid way.
She also gets grounded and her phone is taken away and she's
not able to use her computer forhomework.
And yeah, the response to how the hell am I going to do my

(02:06:14):
homework is her mom's basically saying like, you're going to do
it. Like, you know, we can do that.
Your long hand, long phone. I mean, she absolutely.
I just mean that literally there's not a lot of time spent
on her struggling to function without a phone or laptop
because the next fucking scene is her going to kill Lucas.
Yeah, yeah, right. Because I mean, like there is an

(02:06:35):
extremely unfair teenager momentwhere her mom is like you're
she's like Lucas broke it. It was some other random kid
broke the drone. It wasn't me.
And her mom was like, well, it was your responsibility.
It's something, really. I mean, she did take her dad's
$3000 drone to school to film football practices without
permission. So I mean like, admittedly, I
can't say that she's entirely really wrong.

(02:06:57):
Isabella fucked up here. In fact, I don't know why
Isabella did that, but just giveit her character.
I don't I guess see, I mean I. Guess like the implication is
the reason that she's like trying to do all of this stuff
to like stand out visible and she wants to she wants.
The professionalism of this workwould in some way illustrate
that she's has value as a personI can get.
That we can see the stuff that'sbehind these characters.

(02:07:20):
I just don't think like they they definitely don't have the
time. That's.
Yeah, that's the thing to bring it out in a way that makes
sense. And like, I think they do a a
decent job for how little time they've got.
It's just like impossible honestly.
If they were. You couldn't, you couldn't
without an extra 30 minutes to Imean, they would might, you
know, that's. It's just a fun.

(02:07:40):
This stuff is there. It's in there.
It's just it needs more time, inmy opinion, Yeah.
Yeah, I think that probably my favorite part of this episode
was when Alan, Isabella's younger brother, is like
basically hearing something going on downstairs in his home.
And so he walks downstairs to investigate and he sees Isabella

(02:08:01):
transformed by the mask like smashing shit and.
He picks up the the the homeland.
Yeah, the landline, yeah. And dials, which you know, yes.
Yes, which? It's like. 50 year old man 50
year old man in a 12 year old body.
But you know, a couple things. One, someone needs to teach this
kid how to dial 911. Sister's number.

(02:08:25):
Yeah, not sister's number. Second, I actually I like that
scene. It came across perfectly fine.
I think that it's ridiculous that he didn't call 9/11 911.
I think it's. I think it's, I think it's a
very adult writing the show to assume that a child his age
knows his sister's phone number in any capacity.
Like, I don't know my brother's phone numbers and I used to have

(02:08:46):
to dial them like with the number, but I I mean like it's
whatever. It's certainly, it's certainly
is pedantic 100%. However, it does sort of jive
with the general feeling of these people don't know how to
write children in a in a very different way than RL Stein.
Do 12 year olds get cell phones?Do parents give the they they
do? Yes, fucking hope not.

(02:09:07):
Yes, they do. They do.
Yes, and that's why society is. Fucked.
And that's why the world's gonnaexplode one day.
Yeah, for the for the listener, if anybody is like slightly
older or younger than us, the year that every person got a
cell phone was 2004, and it was mostly the Nokia brick phones
after that point. That's why the world has fallen
off a Cliff. We all got the ability to become

(02:09:29):
idiots on the momentary basis. Now I'm 50 years old.
My, we're gonna see with the scene with the trash in the
kitchen, Bob. God, I hope not.
Okay, my favorite scene in this episode was, well, I thought
Justin Long walking in the hallway was funny.

(02:09:50):
I thought it was funny. I feel like an interesting weird
little maybe thing leftover froma previous draft is that when
Justin Long is possessed by Biddle the teen, he goes in the
bathroom in the school and Biddle specifically says through
the mirror help me find him. OK implying that Biddle would be

(02:10:14):
is like going to cooperate to find him, but instead he just
takes every Justin Long's body and becomes a monster mash.
It's. It's it's like an invitation to.
It's like they're gesturing at an overarching narrative that
they're not going to tell us about.
Yeah. It's not a it's not a huge
criticism. It's I don't mean that as like a
oh, show show bad. I just mean like a kind of funny
way of wording that if I were a,if I were a ghost that was going

(02:10:36):
to that's your body, I probably wouldn't start with the pretense
that we could work together on it.
I probably feel like I'm fuckingtaking over, man.
I'm a ghost. Yeah, it is a little messy, but.
It's not a real criticism, it's just a silly little bit of a
dialogue there that I thought was funny.
My favorite moment in the whole episode was easily the the the

(02:10:57):
part at the party where Isabellais wearing the mask and
everybody's like bewitched by her.
Yeah, because it's so bizarre that like, it, it actually like
breaks through of this is like an A Goosebumps IP revival for
me. And it's so strange and so
weird. It's very so doesn't work, but
in a very fanciful way that I was.
I was really excited by it. I was like, oh, yeah, this is
weird as hell. I don't know.

(02:11:18):
This doesn't make any sense to me.
Yes, yes, they all love her weird baby mask.
Everyone, please, more one of us, please.
Bob, here's I have a genuine question.
First was watched more of the show.
Did they address Isabellae sexuality at all and the rest of
the show? I would say what do you mean by

(02:11:42):
address? Like whether?
She confirm or deny whether comeup that she is bisexual in the
show. It's never overtly addressed,
but she does, I believe develop she it's inferred.
I think she has a thing with wasIsaiah.
Yeah, OK. So like no.
No, OK, OK, so let's let's so sono, then I I was just I was just

(02:12:04):
curious if mask make you gay or not.
That was that was all. That's I just thought it was
funny. Do mask make you gay?
Do mask make you gay? Do haunted mask make you gay?
Gay bye. Wow, queer.
Do mask make you queer? Sure.
Hello. Do mask.

(02:12:25):
Do mask make you bye. It's just it's just funny.
It's just like a. Buy Now.
It's just like a. Famously, the G in LGBTQ plus is
Goosebumps stands for Goosebumps.
The G, The G, the OG. In any case, I hope I don't
sound like I'm being too negative at this show.

(02:12:46):
I didn't love it and I think there's.
Probably that. I think there's worse things you
can do with your time than watchit.
I mean, it's like, yeah, there'sworse media in this earth than
this thing again, I. Hope I don't come across as I
love the show and am complete loves the goose. #1 Goosebumps
23 offender Bob is here I. Just thought it was a good time.

(02:13:10):
It's not. It's not terrible, you know, it
kept me like going. Some of the later episodes are
actually legitimately. Now again, granted, I have not
watched the rest of it. I haven't watched the rest of
it. So like there's, there's
mysteries abound in there, like.I'm also very happy that there's
a difference of opinion on this because sometimes it feels like
when we're all reading kids media and it's like not very

(02:13:32):
good. And it's also we're adults and
we're reading kids media and it's like this, this sucks,
blah, blah, blah. And all three of us are like,
man, man, man, man, man, man. It's, it's nicer to have a
change of pace. It's nice for us to have a
discussion on this recorded discussion, you know.
I did like that they didn't waste a bunch of time in
episodes 2, episode 2 with the kids, like doubting a

(02:13:55):
supernatural element because it's one of my least favorite
parts of media when they do thatbecause like Margo pretty well.
Again, an establishment of one. She believed in the haunted
camera Immediately Margo immediately is like, wow, it's
fucked up. That looks like Margo and and
Isaiah both see a picture of Biddle from from Nora, and
immediately they're like, oh, that's something, something

(02:14:18):
Spooky's going on around here. Yeah, doubting the supernatural
in one of these types of shows or in the in horror media in
general is like an utter waste of time.
Like a huge waste of time. You get like 1 scene of that and
you should just make the supernatural thing so obvious
that nobody even wastes their time questioning it because that
is is like a cul-de-sac a total waste of time in in supernatural

(02:14:40):
media. You should be using that time
the spooky guys appear. I thank you Goosebumps 123 for
that. Yeah, they didn't waste their
time on that shit. Thank you.
Yeah. The parents do doubt Nora in the
end of the episode. When, When I Yeah, Isabella,
there's James's house. There's a bit of unfair parent
upbraiding. But I think we are meant to see
the parents are, I mean, we, we are meant not to like the

(02:15:01):
parents in this moment, in this moment.
So you know. Yeah, this is more of why we
thought, like, we haven't seen the rest of the show.
We thought that they had actually like, fucking killed
that kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they like, threaten Norawith like, losing, losing
custody if she talks about Biddle to anyone.
And I was like, yeah, whoa, whoa.
It's knowing where things go andwhat actually happened really

(02:15:24):
kind of make me question like they were so adamant about
making like the the inferring that the the parents were like
murderers in these scenes that Ithink they were.
I think they forgot, like, wait,the parents like, not to spoil
it, but that's not what happened.

(02:15:45):
Like, I won't say anything more,but like, it's just weird
knowing stuff and then looking at these scenes and then being
like, yeah, we're going to take your kids away.
It's like, I think that look, I think that part of that was also
maybe having to do with Lucas's mom, whose name I forget, being

(02:16:07):
like a sensitive. I think that and especially
since Isabella's mom is a doctorand so she which was weird
because I thought she was like anurse at 1:00. .0 I think she
was a nurse. Yeah, because she was putting on
scrubs and. She's wearing scrubs and what?
Yeah, but no, it's revealed later that she's she's a she's a

(02:16:28):
doctor and she's able to prescribe medicine and to a
character. And yeah, it was, it was like,
it's all over the place. But, you know, would you rather
them do that or, you know, introduce another character,
give them another scene so that it takes up even more time?

(02:16:49):
And I don't know, a lot of this is a lot of the problems with
the show can really, like Brandon was saying, can really
be traced back to just having tobook it.
Yeah, it's, it's it's, it doesn't.
Have enough time. I think like I think like most
of the like, if you were trying to write this show, I think that
it what the worst thing you could have done is completely

(02:17:10):
try to avoid the episodic format.
Like I think it's it it like if you had the haunted mask before
episodes in a row or something like that, I think that'd be
kind of bad. So they are trying to do the lip
service to the like the episodicnature of the original books.
I just think that it's kind of apoor fit.
Either the episodes needed to belonger or, as we have all
suggested, like they should havebasically had the first episode

(02:17:31):
just entirely set up the frame narrative and deal with that
stuff. And then they could have started
in on the episodic stuff that probably would have been a
better fit, and then downplayed the the Herald stuff quite as
much. I don't know.
It it it would need reworking. Yeah, it's not.
It's not really dreadful for what it is and I'm they could
have done a lot worse for sure. There is a worse version of this
show for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(02:17:52):
How do we feel about Trouble Fluid at the end of this
episode? I thought that was funny.
I, I thought that was, I was like, oh, I was, I was, I was
intrigued by it. I'll put it that way.
It intrigued me. For people.
It was a pretty good hook. Yeah, for people who don't know
Isabella and what's his name, James, John's Jacob.

(02:18:12):
Jacob Heinberg, Schmidt, They'replaying pool in their basement
and Isabella, you're. Both bad at it.
It's it's the fucking balls in such a way where it shoots
directly at John's Jacob Jungleheimer Schmidt's head and
he explodes into yellow goo, which they make a joke out of it

(02:18:34):
that Rachel and I both giggled at in multiple episodes that
this goo canonically smells exactly like watermelon Jolly
Ranchers, I believe. The goo kind.
I love to eat watermelon Jolly Ranchers while I ride in my
Rubicon. Yeah, they should have had the

(02:18:55):
goo people do product placement and like that's that's the tell
is that they're all talking about Pepsi, which they love.
I'll say this, the the goo explosion did make me want to
watch the next episode, so that's a pretty solid hook.
It woke me up after the after the scene where they all shout
go to hell. That was yes, if it if the show

(02:19:18):
had ended on the go to hell scene, I would have confidently
said I have no interest in watching the rest of this.
Please God no. It reminded me of the Shadow of
Light or whatever the name of that.
Like that mean project where people we have the.
There was a forum poster that wrote a crappy Legend of Zelda
movie like like fanfic script orwhatever and then a bunch of 3D

(02:19:41):
animators back in the day made the video off of it.
At the end of it taunting Link is taunting Gannon after he gets
the master sword multiple and they do like multiple cuts of
the same shot of him holding thesword forward and going.
So it's just, Oh, no. Goodbye again.

(02:20:07):
And but whenever they do that, whenever a movie belabors a
scene, I think of that and I always in my head, I almost I
think I said it aloud even when we were watching it in the I was
like, goodbye Gannon I. Think.
I think I vaguely remember what you're talking about.

(02:20:29):
It was like back when it was really impressive that people
would do this and they were wasting their time, like dunking
on this stupid kid and his bad script.
Like, it seemed. It felt like something awfully
to me. Yeah, You know what I mean?
We can only be excited enough towork really hard on something
for dunking on someone. So, yeah, that's the Goosebumps
2023 Season 1 TV show. We Yeah, that's just the first

(02:20:55):
two episodes. I guess we should end this with,
like, do we recommend people watch it?
And I think for me, I think you guys should keep going.
I think I think you will be pleasantly surprised by the
quality and it getting picked upa little bit later.
I would say that if you are a fan of Goosebumps, you probably

(02:21:19):
have already seen this, but but I would say it it is, it is at
least a curiosity. You could do way worse than
watching one episode of it at minimum.
And you know it's a professionally put together
show. It's not.
It's why I'm why I'm criticizingits writing.

(02:21:39):
I'm I, I criticize it not because it's irredeemably bad,
because I can see the flaws therein where a better script
might exist. But I think it's at least worth
a look if you're, if you're a fan of Goosebumps or you want
some new spooky, not scary horror thing for a time when you

(02:22:01):
you know, if you're like Halloween 2025 and you're like,
what do I watch? I don't know, I don't want to
watch. What spooky thing can I watch?
Well, Goosebumps 2023 is like Halloween themed.
There's literally a Halloween party in it.
So you could do way worse in that regard.
It would be worth a look. I'll say that I have my problems
with it, but it's not it's not ano from me.

(02:22:22):
Cool. Brandon.
I thought that it was all right.So far, you know, I've, we've
noted her problems with it, but I don't think like it's
terrible. I think like they're definitely
trying. They have avoided some of the
biggest pitfalls I think that they could have done with the
adaptation. I think I wish it was a little

(02:22:43):
more goosebumpy. I don't mind that it's not like
like little kids or whatever, but I do wish it was a bit more
a little bit more goopy, a little more green.
I'm glad we got the the very bigyellow goo at the end of the
second episode. I hope it gets goopier.
I. Yeah, I want some for more goo,
honestly. We need more people to do.
This there's more goo. OK, that's good.
I mean, there are multiple of these, these John Jacob

(02:23:08):
Jingleheimer, Schmidt's running around and so yeah, there's more
goo. I appreciate I I would I like
that there's any goo and they can only more goo would only
improve it. Put it that way.
I mean it is goo spums. Everyone go watch the light of
courage. That is the name.
The light of courage. That's it.
Yes. Yeah, I remembered.

(02:23:29):
I haven't seen this in forever. Oh my God, 18 years ago.
We're going to die, guys. One day we all will.
That's one of the, yeah, that's one of the things that talked
about the the new Goosebumps show is it just reminded me of
my mortality, that time is inescapable.
And that's true. I get those goosebumps every
time I think about that. Mario, huh?

(02:23:50):
I'm choking. God, he was always trying to
make everything about him. Stop making all about you, Bob.
Oh, what? You want your EpiPen?
Well, no, you have to do it. This is one problem you got to
fix yourself. I need that Heimlich God damn it

(02:24:11):
I need. Oh, you're right, you need that
Heimlich. I'm sorry.
You know how to give yourself a Heimlich maneuver.
Yep. It's cool.
Choose your own Heimlich. Choose your own.
Give yourself, give yourself Heimlich.

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