243: From NFL to IVF- Corey P.

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And welcome back to the Young Dad podcast with your outside
grill in mowing the lawn, changing dirty diapers.
Or maybe, just maybe, you finally got a moment to sit
back, relax and listen to your favorite podcast.
Wherever you're at, whatever you're doing, thanks for being
here and thanks for tuning in. Today I'm joined by Corey
Parchman, a former NFL player turned into a real estate
developer, author and fatherhoodadvocate.
He's the president of Core Par Development, a leader in

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revitalizing communities throughpurpose driven housing.
He's also the founder of the IVFPlaybook for Men, a multi
platform support hub dedicated to helping men navigate with the
emotional, relational and financial toll of infertility in
IVF, Corey's mission is powerfulto create generational wealth,
support resilient families, and empower men to show up fully.
So if you're excited for this one, I know I am going to grab

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your juice box, grab a snack, and let's welcome Corey to the
show. Corey, welcome.
How you doing Jay? Thanks for having me.
Course, man, super excited to have you.
I think you're well, I don't know if if he played in the NFL
or not. He might have, but I think you
may be the first, if not the second former NFL player I've
had here on the show. OK.
All right. So the other one I'll be.

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I'll be memorable if I'll be memorable once I leave this
show, right? I hope so.
I hope so. The other only other one, and
I'm not sure if he played in theNFL or not, but Art Eddie, he
hosts the Art of Fatherhood podcast.
OK, No, I don't know art. No.
I'm not sure if he he played or not, but he's a really cool dude
too. But anyways, enough of that.
So let's start with first your NFL career a little bit.

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You played for the Jaguars and the and the Packers.
You were a wide receiver, correct?
Yes, wide receiver. Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.
And Green Bay were the main two teams, but I spent a little bit
of time with the Colts, Saint Louis Rams and Oakland Raiders.
But the main, you know, when you're explaining the elevator,
it's too hard to explain everything you played for.
So you can't explain the tail end, the beginning, the tail end

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of your career. Who drafted you?
It's all the undrafted free agent by the Jacksonville
Jaguars. Yep, in 2002, Tom Coughlin was
the head coach. Very cool.
Well, let's Fast forward to 2025today.
Who's your team now? Well, I tell people all the time
that I just want to see a good game at this point in time.
What's really cool now is I havea lot of teammates or guys I

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know are now coaching in the NFL, or I even have some, which
those guys are older than me, but I have some who have kids in
the NFL. So I kind of follow the guys
that I played with that are currently coaching.
And some of the guys, a few of the guys that have kids that are
playing in the NFL. So just want to see a good game.
I don't have a team I cheer for.Of course, Jacksonville is very
dear to my heart. But yeah, yeah, definitely just
want to see a good game. I.

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Hear you What are your thoughts on what are your thoughts on
fantasy football? So fantasy football was kind of
coming along when I was playing.I remember when I was, not that
long ago when I was playing, butit was coming along.
And a guy I know on the car dealership, he told me he was
going to draft me for his fantasy team.
I was like, yeah, if you want towin, you probably have a big

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idea draft me because I'm not going to give you any points as
a wide receiver. But I think it's a good way for
people to engage with football. I think it's a way to keep them
connected. I've never really played myself,
but definitely I've seen enough uproar about it.
That is something that's good for the league and it's good to
keep you connected and it has ithas your casual football fans
interested also. So that's a good thing.

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You want to bring as many peopleas you can into the tent.
Well, that's kind of, and what'sfunny is why everybody hear
about football polls and officesor anything like that.
The women tend to win all the time.
So I think it's a matter of sometimes just skill of our luck
of winning those family footballleagues.
I think so. I think so.
But you know what they say if you, once you get the women in,

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then that's when your your business or your sport or
whatever you're working on really takes off is once you get
the women bought in kind of thing.
And I know, I know the women at my office right now.
I work in mental health and I know the women this year they
are, they're already asking about it.
They're already asking if we're going to do a league this year.
And I'm like, it's June. They're like, yeah, but I'm just
trying to like start preparing and stuff and I'm like, this is

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crazy, but cool, cool. Yeah, I tell my wife all the
time, you know, guys like us arepeople like me.
Women are female. There are are are die hard
football fans are played it you're going to watch.
It's when they can get that casual fan, they engage.
That's when you got a winner right there.
People like her when they can get her engaged into a storyline
and get her engaged into, you know, some of the games, then

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that's when you bring an extra audience in.
So you you got us a score audience automatically.
But if you can bring that casualfan in to become a core fan,
then you've you've done something.
Huge difference. And then what are your thoughts
on sports betting Because it wasn't really a thing when when
you were first in the league. No, that was the reason why I
don't do it now is because, you know, when I was playing it was
a big no, no. Even talking about betting.

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You would see like these postersin the locker rooms all the time
and say don't bet on it. So you know, that's kind of
inbred in me right now at this point in time that, you know,
just never ever done it even in college, you know, yourself
signs in the locker rooms talking about no gambling, no
betting. So from that standpoint, I've
never entertained it personally myself.
I think it's once again a way tobring fans into it.

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But I think what NFL figure if there's only money to be made
off of, let's make money off of it.
So I think that's why they kind of got on, boy, it's going to
happen, right? It's like almost like drugs
like, well, we legalize it, we can control it more.
So I think that's kind of the thought process.
But like I said, it never would have thing when I was playing
and and now I'm not playing anymore.
It's still not a thing for me. But you know, I think people do
like it, though. Love it, love it.

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All right, and then last football related question here.
We'll probably have more as we get into it, but who is your
20252026 season, the Super Bowl pick?
Who's your Super Bowl matchup right?
Who's your matchup in June rightnow going into the going into
OTAs and mini camp? Yeah, well, I'm going to give
you a long answer. Don't give you my answer.
I think the biggest thing I always know is football season

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is a long season. So, you know, I can predict this
team because they look good on paper.
But you know, 2 injuries are, you know, a a bad start.
You know, those things happen. So, you know, I do like, you
know, Lamar Jackson and the the,the the Ravens.
And of course, I have AT Martin is a is a quarterback coach was

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my roommate in Oakland. So I'm really, really cool with
him. So I'm a cheer for them based on
him and also what they have out there.
And also a good friend of my aunt Aaron Morehead, who's a
wire super coach for Green for the Philadelphia Eagles.
So those two teams right there because I have like some close
friends that are are coaching and plus they have good teams.
Also, if I have a great team right now, Raven, Eagles, yeah,

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I think that would be a great Super Bowl.
I like it. And then if you had to pick a
team that you just really want to be there, warrior, sleeper
team, who do you think people are sleeping on in the NFL this
year? Sleeping on once again, it's a
tough, I don't think people are sleeping on, but I don't know if
they're the favourites right now.
I think that Washington have a good and Washington and Houston
Texans, there'll be good young quarterbacks out there.

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And I think when you have that nucleus little good young
quarterbacks, then you always have an opportunity to play.
I live in Indianapolis, so of course I would love for the
Colts to be able to right the ship.
They have a great young quarterback.
Anthony Richardson have a lot of.
Talent Jones was their future. I'm playing, I'm playing, I'm
playing, I'm playing. Yeah, I've, I've hoped David
Jones is a backup. I think if he's starting, then

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we have more troubles than than I think we are bargaining for.
Not saying he's not a good quarterback.
What I'm saying is we drafted EdRichardson for a reason in the
first round. Playoff game.
He's won a playoff game, OK. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, come on now. But same time you drafted the
guy the first round and he had this long trajectory to go up.
If he's not playing by now, thenI think that it's not going

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away. You would like it.
So it's not that I'm saying theydon't not a good quarterback.
I think if anybody that plays NFL good quarterback, but I'm
saying is if your first round draft pick isn't I.
Know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.
No, I think something's. Going on that, you know, so I'm
always, you know, rooting for, you know, the, the, the, the
young guys to, to be able to turn things around because once

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again, we're in a league now where I, I know why it's like
this. So people are expecting
quarterbacks to to be great right now.
And it's because you have the quarterback in the Washington,
you have the quarterback in Houston are doing those things.
But you know, think about the entire league.
Most quarterbacks don't start out like good.
I mean it still takes a while for them to develop.
But when you have two quarterbacks that have that
great start, then they're not expecting you do the same thing,

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which that wasn't always the case.
Think about Peyton Manning when he first started, I think Peyton
Manning led the league interceptions, you know, things
like that. So I think that because of
expectations are changing with your first round draft picks
now, the more pressure is to perform right now.
So I think that's what Anthony Richards is going through also
some health issues also. So I think those things aren't
in its favor of the expectationsplus the health issues.

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So we'll see. But you know, like I said, it's
always good when the city's buzzing.
We're buzzing right now because of the Pacers are doing great
and you see the electricity going through the city and you
can transfer that same energy into football for 1817 weeks,
then that's an amazing feeling around the city.
Heck yeah. Heck yeah.
I think, what is it, Game today's June 19th.
I think today's Game 6. I think Game 6 is today.

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Yeah, Game 6 today, so yeah. Winner go home, winner go home
for the Pacers. So we'll see if how they can see
if how they can get it today. Yeah, it's good to see.
Like I said for you, there's so much energy in the city.
I think that's what people realize that when you have a
winning team, you know, it brings everyone out and even you
once again, your casual fans areyou.
I'm OK with people to dip on a bandwagon.

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It's OK. I think that at the end of the
day, energy is energy and good vibes, good vibes.
So whether you were day one for first game of the year or didn't
start watching the game 80, I think it's OK.
Just though being a fan of beinga fan, that's OK.
And I love what Indy did back when they hosted the All Star
game. I think y'all did y'all did it
right in Indy, the airport was decked out, you know,

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transformed the airport into court and they just the city
went all in and love to see whenthat happens for, for sports.
And it's like really like we're going to, we're going to go all
out for this. We're not going to scam.
We're going to we're investing in this.
We already were hosting this. So let's let's make it worth
that kind of thing because we'rea small market and we got to we
got to make it. We got to show everyone that we
deserve to have more of these and small markets can do this

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kind of thing. And I think the NBA playoffs
this year are a huge testament of that to small markets.
Just they're better than we think.
The Thunder have been a rebuild for the last, you know, 7-8
years to get to where they're atnow, to get all the pieces, to
move all the pieces, to make allthe moves.
They play the long game to get there.

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I think they have a great team, great core, great building.
A lot of those guys that are on the bench right now, they're
going to go off and get massive deals, huge paydays and for
agency, which is really cool to see.
It's great because they can justreload through the draft and
they'll be fine. So they'll be able to keep their
overhead low and just keep keep doing really great stuff.
They have three first round, three first round draft picks
coming up. You know, that's general

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manager. I mean, he got to be amazing.
I mean, he's the one who draftedHarding, drafted Kevin Durant.
You know that the Westbrook, youknow, so this guy has a track
record right now of of being great.
So you put that with three more first round draft picks.
Who knows what he's going to do,you know, but at the same time,
I hope that they come up short this year so our Pacers can can
be the Champions. And, and back to the hosting

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thing. You know, I think that we've
always been great at hosting things.
I think we really showed that during the Super Bowl.
We host the Super Bowl and one thing that's unique about, you
know, by me playing for the football, be able to travel and
go to All Star Game, Super Bowl 1 unique thing about
Indianapolis. Everything is located centrally
downtown, like all the Convention Center.
Everything is in one place. Normally when you go to All Star
Game or Super Bowl, have drive 6-7 miles to each venue.

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All our venues are centrally located, which make it's
convenient so you're not stuck in one place.
So if you go to an event and it's like, well, I want to go
somewhere else, it's a walk across the street or down the
street. It's not I got to happen a cab
or get an Uber and go across town.
So that would make Enapa so unique and great is everything
is centrally located to where all the events are happening
downtown in one area. You can jump from place to place

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and that's the pretty amazing for the city.
That's awesome, that's awesome. Those businesses must boom when
they're in the thick of it. That must be so fun though.
Must be such a fun time down there.
That's why we want like this boots.
I hope for the Colts to be good because once again, that's
another eighteen weeks of great time or 18 plus weeks of great
time. So you always depend on the

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market. It's interesting when the I was
in Miami at the time and LeBron was planned for the Miami Heat
and I'd gotten word for some investors that, you know, you
should buy now in Cleveland downtown because once he left,
you know, it all dried up. So when he was in Miami a year
or two for he left, I got the word that used to be buying up
some from real estate or about some businesses in downtown
Cleveland because he's coming back.

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And once again, this is maybe 2 years before he came back.
And of course, he came back and those restaurants and bars took
off again. Wow.
Yeah, yeah. That's so cool, man, What a what
a story and what a some good Super Bowl picks there.
And you know, these cities, somecities just really depend on

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their on their teams to to do well.
And I would love to see Anthony Richardson do well.
Several of my fantasy teams would love to see Anthony
Richardson do well. My dynasty squads would love to
see it. I love how you pick the three
teams of really young quarterback.
We saw we saw what happened withStroud.
He had a great rookie season. Then he had a sophomore slut.
We're going to see what Jade andDaniels is in year 2.
I think he's going to be great. I think the commanders are going

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to be great. I think everything they've done
since firing who, whatever his name is, we're not going to say
his name, but since they made the organizational change, top
down leadership, that organization is well is set up
for success now going forward. And then same for the Texans and
whatnot. Like these are three well run
organizations now. Not sure what the Texans are
doing with their own line. They want to trade everyone and
make CJ Straw's life harder. But we'll see, we'll see.

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And then Richardson, I really hope he works out.
He has all the talent in the world.
He has all the arm talent in theworld.
I think he's just really got to put the pieces together mentally
and not not a during the middle of a game and take on more of a
leadership role. And I think that comes with
time, and I think that comes with age, and I think that comes
with maturity. Yeah, yeah.
Because I think what a lot of people miss is you're a young

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guy, you're coming out of college, you're, you know,
202122 years old. You don't even have a fully
developed brain. And you're going into the NFL
and the pressure is higher. The money's bigger, the stakes
are higher, more fans, you know,more pressure, more attention,
things like that. And I think we got to realize,
like these young men are just young men and they're young and

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they're just starting out. They don't have fully developed
brains. So they're going to make some
stupid decisions like Shoulder Sanders driving 100 miles an
hour again at midnight as well. So we'll we'll see what happens.
But yeah, those teams are exciting.
Yeah, I think that, you know, often those expectations are put
on, you know, athletes for a number of reasons.
But at the end they're still human beings and they still make

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mistakes. But I think that me and a former
athlete myself, I have a little bit of grace and a little bit
more. I empathize more with those guys
because what you just said, I don't think people understand
the pressure that is put on athletes.
And I couldn't imagine a day with Instagram and social media
how much more. So you take what I went through
as a player or a scene of the player in times about 1000 where

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everything is under a microscopenow and everyone have a comment,
they want to have a place. Everyone has a have a thought
process, you know, you know, normally when you know where you
had you made a news stations andCBS, Fox, ESPN were the only
time you heard commentary about athlete.
Now there's so many platforms, so people have so many ideas and
thoughts and opinions about things.

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And you know, that's why I do appreciate LeBron, Michael
Jordan and Kobe, my favorite players.
But, you know, I don't know if Iknow for a fact Michael Jordan
didn't go through the scrutiny that LeBron has gone through.
And this is not me debating who's better, who's worse.
Up the the point. The point is a lot more
scrutiny. You know, with Michael Jordan,
he quit talking like he has beenSports Illustrated.
They made an article about he didn't like and he totally cut

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them out. He was able to do that and
eliminate the entire media source.
Now if a player does that, they get fined.
Now if a player does that, they don't talk to the media, they
don't answer questions. Now they get fined.
It's like these guys don't want to talk.
I, I feel bad for like NFL players like right after like a
big loss or something or tough loss or heartbreaker, like, oh,
go sit in front of the microphone actually and answer

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questions like give these dudes some time to process.
Like, you know, go talk to the winning team.
That's fine. But give give these men some
time to process what just happened and then.
It's not a, you know, it's not about you.
It's about that, that, that how much time that network has on
TV. You know, they want to get you
out because they only have a certain amount of time to, to,
to broadcast thing. It's, it's, I want to get out
there as fast as possible and things are fleeting.

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There's one thing that other foreign players talk about.
It's the access that, that, thatthe median has right now.
It's just good to get to the curse.
It gets in the curse because these guys are making awful
media attention. You're making more money by
doing advertising and getting exposure at the same time.
There are sort of like, for example, one thing that you
know, I, I don't really like is when they show so much of the
sideline action and you see likea guy, 2 teammates arguing,

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argue with the coaches. That's been going on for
centuries, but now you actually see it.
It's like, oh, what's this function are these guys are out
of control. Players have been arguing with
coaches and each other on the sideline for years and it's it's
part of the game. But now you're actually seeing
it because the cameras are zooming over there and catching
it. It makes it seem like it's a
storyline. That's not really a storyline,

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just a part of the nature of thegame.
We're very competitive when we play.
It's a competitive, intense moment.
Everyone wants to win. So a lot of things come out
during those times and it's not necessarily you're.
Grown men though, too. You're grown men.
Like that's how grown men interact at the same time,
especially when you're all hypedup like you're saying here, like
you're going to say some stuff and you may not like it in the
moment, but after I'm sure like in the locker room, once

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tensions are cooled and the moment's over, I'm sure both
parties I'm sure happened to youmore than once.
I'm sure both parties went to each other and be like, yo,
look, that was my bow is a little out of line there or you
know, other side of that is likeyo, you good man, you good
understand, understand all all good events.
Well, kind of thing like no harm, no foul was a moment you
good. I'm sure that was the
conversation majority of the time.

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Nine, 9% of the time it was a hug and a high 5 afterwards.
Like I get it, I know and you move on and you like develop
that relationship, which but once again, for when it's
broadcast, it's taken out of context so much, you know that
those guys are fighting out of controls.
Like Nah, that's part of the game.
If you only seen that half of what went on behind the scenes,
you probably wouldn't. And that's how men interact.

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Like all these sportscasters that are men.
No, that's how men interact. That's how the bond grows.
You know, if you ever played anysport competitively, like my
highest level I got to was D3 baseball.
And even then it's like you still have that fire, that
intensity. You get into it with a teammate
here and there, you know, you push or maybe get into their
space and say some things you don't mean.
But then after the game, tensions are lower.

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You're in practice a couple dayslater, next day or whatever it
it's chill. You're laughing about like, man,
I really effed up yesterday or dude, you were kind of a kind of
a Dick yesterday. And you're like, yeah, I know.
I know, I know my. Bad, my bad.
It's all good. It's all good.
So that's how it is I mean, you act like that's not sports
culture, but that's that that's sports culture.
That's just what it is not hurtful.

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We're not trying to hurt each other.
We're not trying to you're not trying to tear each other down.
I'm sure there are those instances where there are some
dudes that are that are out out out for blood.
But you like you just said 99% of the time it's you know, we
good, we good, we good kind of thing that later so.
I think that what people realizeis like football is probably the
ultimate place where it happens at because, you know, football

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is one of the sports in most professional sports.
That's football where everyone knows you had to work hard to
get there. You know, you can't fringe your
way on an NFL team. You can't know somebody to know
somebody know somebody to get ona team you have.
To You can't Brody James it. You can't Brody James it.
Even though with the Bonnie James thing, I think that if you
look at his stats, he's probablydid better than any other person

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drafted in his place. We tore up the G League.
He tore up the G league. I will give him props.
I will give him props. He tore up the G league.
I think he's I don't think he's NBA ready yet.
I think he needs another year 2 in the G league.
Let him develop, let him really refine his game.
And I think LeBron needs to be out of the league for him to to
get, you know, respect and. A little bit, but I don't think

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that's going to happen. So I think Bronny's just he's
not set up for success. I wish he would have stayed in
at USC for another year or, or find his game even more shown.
You know, he come back from thatinjury, not injury, but from
that heart condition that he hadto go through and everything
and, you know, work his way back, get his, get his itself
back up to strength. Because I don't think he's
fully, I don't think he was fully healthy last season.

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Even then coming back, you can see it in his game a little bit.
He got real comfortable towards the end of the season playing in
the G League and what not. He was more free, he was more
flowing. But beginning of the season he
was on a minutes restriction. They were holding him back.
He wasn't, he wasn't, you know, hustling.
He wasn't given 110% like you would on an NBA4.
He just wasn't there all the waytowards the end of the season.

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You saw the confidence start to build and build and build, which
I wish he could have done at USCand not having to jump between
the Lakers and the G League all season.
I think that was bad for his psyche.
And I think they they look, he messed him up a little bit, but.
Hopefully about that for a minute.
I think that, you know, I think if you said to yourself like
we're we're the best training ground at USC or the G League or
NBAI think they have the best training.

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I think that if I was going to say about say, OK, where can I
get the best training at? Where can I get the best
competition at, where I get the best service at, I'd probably
say the league is hopefully thatspotlight isn't on him as much
as he developed. That's the problem.
That's why you would say stay atUSC because the spotlights on B,
you can develop and there's no spotlight like in the NBA.
But in NBA that's better training, but it's more

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spotlight, so you can't develop naturally.
It's tough because everyone likeat USC, if he's learning how to
dribble, it's for example, no one's going to see that and he
gets better and better and better as an example.
But in NBA, if he's learning howto do certain things, it's a big
spotlight. So it's going to be criticized
over and over and over again. Which is why I think he should
have stayed at USC to refine those parts of his game that

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needed the work. So then he could jump in and
play for the Lakers legitimatelyand play 12 minutes a game, 15
minutes a game and produce, shoot 30% from the field, maybe
25% from three and you know, 85%from the line and still be
productive in that role. And I don't think people would

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have had a problem with that. It's like, Oh yeah, we know he's
not LeBron, but he's still a productive NBA player with room
to grow still like his game got better.
He, he popped off for 30 points off the bench shot one night.
You know, he hit 7 threes. He just popped off kind of
thing. That's the spark we want to see
because he developed and had that coming in already.
I I just don't think his bag's all the way there.

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Yeah, yeah, we'll see. We'll see.
We'll get get get a kiss some time and we'll see.
Like I I heard earlier in the conversation, those guys are so
young, their brains still developing, the minds
developing. Let's give them an opportunity
to see. Especially for the NBA.
Yeah, for the NBA. Like these dudes are 1819 years
old still coming out. Get into this versus the NFL
where dudes are 22/21/22 at times.

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I mean, RJ Harvey's like 50 for the Broncos.
You know, you know, I I ran somewhere that it it there's
some guy in college football nowwho's like on his 70 year
eligibility something crazy. You're about to I.
Think he just graduated. I think that was the backup
tight end for Penn. Penn State.
OK, OK, OK. What was that about like a 70

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year eligible? Because they had because the
transfer portal now, which I would love to get your thoughts
on the transfer portal Nil and just do shipping around like
Quinn. Yours went.
I think Quin yours is now down in he's in Miami.
He's with the dolls, yeah, but he bounced around a bit like
these dudes in the NFL, they're getting a little older and
they're coming a little bit morerefined.
And you also see that happening for the MLB, some of these dudes

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that are like getting fast tracked Paul schemes.
I mean, he spent less than a year in the minors, but he
already came in well refined because he spent four years in
college, maybe 5, I think because he could.
He had eligibility and he carried over and he just, you
know, played it out kind of thing.
So what do you think of like thetransfer portal, NIL and then
how some of these athletes are coming in a little bit older and

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things like that? Yeah.
Well, it's interesting because, you know, you'd like to say,
well, back in my day, we persevered through it as far as
transferring and that was one ofmy stories.
You know, I I I went to Ball State University once again.
I was even in there. I was in the eligible my first
year being there. So, you know, I had Division One
talent, you know, in high school, I mean, I was getting
recruited by every single body in this country.
But once they stopped on grades were horrible, they stopped

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recruiting me. So you go to a Ball State, which
is fine. I mean, they gave opportunity,
but they asked you there, you'relike, OK, I probably could play
at Ohio State of Michigan. So do you transfer?
Those are the thoughts that you have because back when I play,
say back in my play, but when I was in the college, you had to
sit out a year if you transfer or if you went down a level, you
could play immediately. So that kind of detour a lot of

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us from playing, but same time might be staying.
I persevered through everything and it made me a better football
player and a better person because of that.
So those are the good things that but would staying at the
same time. I understand why guys might want
to leave, but I do understand also that the transport portal
is so full. A lot of guys don't even make it
out of the transfer portal. I've heard story or nightmare

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stories about how guys open to the transfer portal didn't
redeem the cost they had cost they had and then the school
thought they were going to end up getting someone else.
So they end up being out on the limb with nothing.
So those are the sides. I think people should look at
those numbers and say, OK, all right, I want to put a plan, put
a plan together on the transfer portal.
Understand I'm going to put my name in.

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I had a kid that I was mentoringat Ball State and we had a
conversation. And then, you know, within the
end of the year, like I'm leaving.
I'm like, where you going? I don't know yet.
I'm like, but you've already established a a nucleus with
this coaching staff and you've already been here for two years.
You're going to push the reset button.
And that decision he made. And I think that if they have

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more counsel, more advisors around them, which guys probably
don't, they would probably thinktwice before they would transfer
because the grass is not going to be greener necessarily on the
side. So I think that if they wish
there was some situation where they could have more mentors, A
neutral person that can talk to them about it, the transfer.
So that's going to make gifts and curse to everything.

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And I think that the gift of theopportunity to transfer, the
curse is you may not get opportunity to transfer.
You may get out there and get stuck.
So I don't know how they can rein this thing in.
I wish if I had one rule though,you're going to transfer one
time. This jumping around every year.
I think it is so unstable for somany different reasons.
So I think if they were the rule, I would like to say they

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can transfer once, not just every time you feel like you're
not getting opportunity here. So that will be my my only thing
about that as far as the NIL madis that's the wild, Wild West.
I was talking to my agent the other day and it's how they're
having to start the process now with high schoolers.
You know, initially my agent would work with, you know, once

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you're in college, you prove yourself.
He's now starting to have to work with high schoolers and
high schoolers are asking for a crazy amount of money.
So I don't know how they're going to wrangle this thing in
because the tube without of the toothpaste, but it definitely to
be regulated somehow some way just so there could be some some
order involved. Because right now it's the wild,
Wild West. You know, you got high

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schoolers, they're asking for about 80 K to go into the Senior
High School to think about goingto your college.
You know, you have those things going on.
And a lot of it is to be told it's that the handlers, the
family members and the AAU coaches and the coaches and who
are actually driving this numberlike it is they're influencing
these kids. I mean, these kids know what the
value of money, but they don't understand the value of these

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agents do or these these AAU coaches do.
So that's where there has to be some sort of regulation because
there's so many outside source people who are just taking
advantage of these kids opportunities and actually ruin
it for them. I think that we need to show
more, more of these stories where guys careers are being
ruined versus the highlight reel, the clean your, you know,

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even with him, he should have stayed at Ohio State.
I think that he should have backed up one year, 2 year in
the midnight. But him going to I think it's
time for his career a little bit.
And that's it's my opinion. But I do think that we need to
talk more about these guys who are transferring, who aren't
having a success necessarily that it seemed like you can have
once you transfer. Yeah.

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No, I think you, I think the guys who stick it out that can
show that they can be a four year player or three-year
player, whatever they need without, you know, whatever.
And maybe they get moved around on the depth chart or something.
Like like I think a perfect guy in the example from this last
draft, wide receiver and Mecca Abuka from Ohio State, he stuck
it out. But dude, he played behind JSN,

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he played behind Mark Harrison, he played behind you name him in
the last four or five years, Garrett Wilson and I think he
was a fourth, fifth year guy too.
But he he had every opportunity to go somewhere and be the dude,
like the dude he if he would have transferred anywhere, he
would have, he would have been the dude.

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He still had great draft capital.
He landed in a great spot with the Buck.
I'm sure he could not be happier.
He gets to be the next dude up after Chris Godwin and Mike
Evans here in the next couple years and show out.
Kind of like JSN kind of had to wait, wait a year or two before
he became the dude in Seattle like he is now.
But I'm a big Seattle Seahawks guys, so I'm a big JSN stand.

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That's your vote. My good friend Jason Barnes as
an NFL scout out there, Seattle inside, inside on what's going
out there. But anyway, I wonder outside a
friend of mine that plays for college visited 1 college
basketball team. He just transferred out.
And the reason why he transferred out is because they
brought in they, they, they actually brought in two more
transfers. So I think that's the other flip

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side of it too, is where, you know, you have guys that are
trying to stick it out and then the coach will bring it in two
more players. And, you know, you would say,
OK, let's say it's competition, but if you bring in two players,
your idea is for them to play right away.
Yeah, it doesn't bring them. In intentionally, yeah.
And then the other side of that is these high school kids are
not getting up for opportunity to get recruited because you
what happens, what's happening now is coaches are saying, I

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rather bring in a guy had a two year college starter at running
back versus Senior High School starter.
So those things are often times,yeah, give me that JUCO.
Kid, give me that JUCO kid that just tore it up for a couple
years versus versus high schooler who who may not be
nothing. Yeah, yeah, that's the biggest
thing too. So you have that where I have a
few friends where their sons were were were really good in

(30:27):
high school, but they really gotrecruited because that that
they're like we're waiting on the transfer port, waiting on to
see who's who's going to open upbefore it give you an offer.
And then most of the time they have to go to like a division
two or Division Three school to go play it.
And right away and then the trickle down effect, that is now
your division two schools, Division One AA school.
The schools are now farm leaguesfor Division One schools.

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So it's been a snowball effect in so many ways on how it's been
affected. You know, I got a friend of mine
that coaches at Western Kentuckyand I said, you know, they lost
eight players. And the eight players they lost,
nobody recruited them at all outof high school.
They recruited and developed them.
And all eight players have transferred to Division 1A
schools. So yeah, it's just been a

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trickle down effect in so many levels with the transfer portal
and then IL. So it's, it's it's, it's just
interesting. Interesting to see.
It's really interesting to see. It sounds like, you know, Ball a
little bit, Corey, but let's go into something you also know
really well about and that's idea.
Yeah, you wrote and have published the IVF Playbook for
men. Can you take us through what

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inspired that, the story behind that a little bit?
I could talk ball all day. This isn't a sports podcast.
This is a dad podcast. I'm sure dads will appreciate
hearing the perspective of a former NFL guy and a man like
yourself who knows ball the waysthat you do from behind the
scenes. It's really interesting to me.
I could ask you questions all day about locker room and stuff
like that, but I really want to talk about IVF here for the
second-half of our podcast because that's what I brought

(31:51):
you on for to talk about. Because I, I honestly, I can't
think if I've had a conversationwith about IVF.
I've know I've talked about child loss.
I've know I've talked about spousal loss and I've talked
about child, yeah, that child loss as well.
But I've never talked about IVF and the creation of life this
way. And so I think IVF is great.
I think what the, what has been said at a federal level by

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politicians and whatnot is greatfor IDFI think it's great for a
lot of families. I think there is an infertility
crisis in our, in our country that we're not talking about
because we, we don't want to talk about them.
We don't want to talk about the reasons why we're having an, an,
an IVF crisis or not an IVF crisis.
I'm sorry, a fertility crisis because of the food and the

(32:37):
chemicals and things like that that we're putting in our bodies
that are lowering our fertility rates and making it harder for,
for men and women to deceive children naturally without
medical intervention. So I think that's a whole other
conversation, a whole nother rabbit hole to jump down.
But that's my take on IVFI thinkit's great.
I think it allows opportunity for families that wouldn't
otherwise be able to. And I think it's 100% needed

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because we are in a, you know, asteep, steep decline in
fertility and whatnot and for children being born and our
population going down, going thewrong way versus up.
So anyways, enough of all that take us through what is part of
the IVF playbook for men. Thank you.
Well, I think the, the biggest thing that inspired it was, you
know, the journey that I went onand my wife put on, you know,

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and it's something that you talked about before.
It's not talked about. I think it's not talked about
because no one really knows about it.
You know, even through our process of going through it, you
rarely shared it with people, friends and family because they
didn't understand it. So what happens is you kind of
only share it with an isolated amount of people who are
actually going through it because there's so many integral
parts with IVF, there's so many moving parts there.

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And to try to explain it to someone who's not going through
it, it's tough. You know, it's one of those
things where you you try to mine's with male factory
infertility. So of course, no one's in the
locker room talking about male factor infertility.
It's not coming up at the at thebar or coming.
What is? Male factory infertility then.
But, but basically it's in a nutshell, it's when when the
it's the male having the issue on the when males aren't able to

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the the wife is fine. The bait is fine.
It's the husband having the issue.
And mine was a male factor issue.
And, and truth be told, if you don't notice that 50% of all
infertility issues are male factor, the automatically
assumption it's it's the woman, the woman, something going on
with her. No, it's, it's male.
And mine was called a somatic meaning I produce, but it's not
coming out pretty much in a in anutshell.

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So it's figuring those things out.
So once again, who do you talk to about that?
Because it's such an unknown thing.
So if you go to talk to your friends about it, they're going
to give you perspective based onwhat they think they know.
So for example, you tell your friend you're having issues,
they're like, well, just spin around and eat three eggs and
jump and it'll be okay. You're like, it's not not even
close. You know, it's a medical thing,

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so I call it your. Yeah, yeah.
So it causes you to recoil and not even want to talk about it
to anyone else. So I think that's why it's not
talked about readily outward because once again, no one
understand it unless you're actually going through it.
It's the foreign thing. So that's kind of one of the
things why I wanted to put this book out here, because there's
so many men going through this right now.

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And once again, you feel isolated.
And that's how kind of how I felt as a male isolated going
through this issue. You know, my wife was willing to
talk to me at any point in time,have conversations, all those
things. But same time you wanted to have
that other perspective from someone else who can understand
what you're going through of themale.
You know, the guilt of a saying that the reason why we have in

(35:29):
this entire process is because of me, because I'm the weak
link. I'm the weak teammate here.
And my wife never said that one time.
But internally you're going to turn live that you know that I'm
the weak link. Especially being a former
athlete, you're always trying tofigure out, OK, how can I get
better and make my team better? But you know, I'm the one making
our team and worse, quote UN quote.
So I was trying to figure out how to navigate through that,
but then also trying to navigatewatching your partner go through

(35:52):
so much. You know, people don't know when
women go through IVF, you're taking shots every day, you're
going to doctor's appointment every other day, you're getting
blood drawn. You're doing so many different
things to make this thing even possible.
So you live with that guilt of I'm putting my wife through all
of this stuff and it's not a waris me story.
It's a reality. And then we had, you know, 4

(36:14):
unsuccessful transfers. And what that means is basically
we had transfer that didn't work.
It's it's mostly a miscarriage. So basically had four
miscarriages. So think about that.
You feel the guilt of a it's male factor.
So it's your fault. You feel the guilt of you're
putting your wife through all this and they're going through
so much and then you have a losson top of that.
So how do you navigate that space of dealing with your own

(36:37):
grief? But also, you know, helping your
partner out who's doing the brunt of this, You know, my wife
is going through it physically and mentally.
So I was trying to navigate thatspace between the support my
wife who deserves it so much, but also support myself.
So I can't support her. So the book kind of just walks
me in through that process for the on the flight there on the
island. You know, you have these crazy

(36:58):
thoughts as me. I'm here at one point in time I
thought to myself, how about I just get a divorce for seeking a
start a family with someone else.
You know, that's how wild a thought you have while you going
through this. You would say that's wild,
Corey, like Corey, I would even say that's wild because I think
that's, that's 100%. I, I would say that's a normal
thinking. I think men think that for way
less in some situations. You know, it's like, man, I

(37:21):
should just it. I think our our solutions in men
are a little too, too narrow andtoo narrow sided.
Sometimes we think, Oh yeah, that person just be better off
if I just, you know, remove myself or, you know, remove
myself in the situation here or,you know, take myself out of it
here kind of thing. I think a lot of men those are
those are very common thoughts. I don't think those are any any

(37:42):
of your thoughts here that you're thinking.
I don't think they're crazy. I think they're normal.
Yeah. And the way that you're
normalizing them in the playbookas well is just is so impactful.
That's what's great. You're saying this to me now,
but think about how you internalize with yourself.
It was so, no, I hear you. I hear so great to hear.
It's so great to hear you say that because had I expressed it,
I would have heard it from you. And I'm like, OK, this is OK.
But often as me and we don't talk about stuff, we eternalize

(38:05):
it and keep it all in. And therefore everything I'm
thinking in my head, I'm the only one thinking that.
But now I'm talking to someone else on you, Jay.
You say that's not crazy. So now I feel better, like, OK,
maybe I'm not. And that's kind of what helped
out a lot is I did meet a guy who was going through the same
thing at the same time. And, you know, just have that
conversation. We thought we were soul mates
because we were able to understand each other,

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understand that this side of IBF, you know, as a male, the
thoughts you have and those things.
So once again, that's kind of why I created so people like
you, Jay, can be more, you know,educated.
So you can't talk to a friend that's going through it, you
know, because what people, you know, going through this and you
know, and like I said, if you talk to to the people, they'd be
like, oh, I went through it, I'mgoing through it now.
It's more common than we think it is.
So what I'm trying to do is educate the men going through

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it, but also a family members also, so they kind of kind of
get an idea of what that person may be going through.
Yeah. No, I, I think that's important
to have because you don't know the things you don't talk about,
right? And no one can know the things
you're going through if you don't talk about them.
And I think it's important to have conversations like this on
platforms like mine and others that you've you've done on and
other things you've done to be able to start to normalize the

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conversation. And I think it really helped
from someone that's in your unique position of having played
in the NFL. So there's like there's a hyper
masculinity like aspect to just like you in general stereotype
because you played in the NFL. You look like a big teddy bear
to me, Corey. I want to be intimidated.
I'm sure you could outrun me andtackle the crap out of me if you

(39:31):
really wanted to, but you won't.You look like a pretty nice guy.
I could. I'll take the hit, though.
I'll take the hit, though. I probably couldn't guard you.
You would break my ankle. Probably.
But hey, hey, it is what it is. It is what?
It is. Thanks for the comp, I
appreciate it. I'm a baseball player, OK?
So you're going to run all over me?
Baseball is my favorite sport actually.
Hey, good as it should be. But you know, I think your

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position is really unique, right?
People see an NFL guy talking about this and I think that's
why when when an athlete or a former athlete, professional
athletes talk, I think more people listen.
Like if LeBron wants to come outand talk actually about, you
know, a book he's read more than5 pages of, then people will
will listen, right? If he actually wants to have a

(40:13):
real unscripted conversation, you know, unpolarizing
conversation after he's retired,which I think he will, about
mental health or something, or stuff he struggled with or
fatherhood, things like that, people will listen and they'll
be like, whoa, I relate to that.Or if, when Michael's on the on
the microphone next year broadcasting, people are going
to tune into more games. But if he starts to talk about

(40:34):
any like real life stuff like mental health or what he went
through with the battles or, youknow, the financial struggles
that he went through with the Hornets or anything like that,
and he opens up about that stuff.
People be like, you know, I struggled in business too.
Like I, I get that, like I get that kind of thing.
And people will understand it like different, like if they go
listen, they'll be like, oh, youknow what?
Actually, I remember that. I felt like I went through that.
And I think it's really cool with athletes like yourself and

(40:55):
others talk about these things because it it carries a
different weight. And I think it's, you know,
you're already doing it. But I think more athletes need
to do it right. Because I remember correctly, I
think I heard it one time someplace.
But NFL players are like require, like in their contract,
depending on the organization tobe part of like their
communities or be part of like these causes and things like

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that. Because like now NFL players
have like my cause, my cleats, Ithink.
And so they're like required to be a part of some foundation or
involved in the community in some way, shape or form getting
back, which I think is great. Yeah, most.
So I don't see any required, butI think most guys feel
comfortable doing because just like me when I was young, some

(41:38):
young NFL player came and talkedto my school or some young feel
like, so you want to give back. I think that you kind of pay it
forward when you do that becauseyou know as a kid how much it
meant to you when someone came and talked to your school or
someone came, you went to a camp.
So that's kind of why a lot of NFL players do give back.
It's because most of them know how it felt, so they want to
give that back to someone else. And most of them had those those

(41:59):
situations where they had an interaction with an NFL player
or athlete and change their lives.
So I think they want to be the one to do that with another kids
life, which is amazing. But also what I want to do also
do is redefine what masculinity is.
I think that come from football player, the assumption is going
to be masculinity is I can run through a wall, I'm tough.
No, masculinity is it's coming different ways.
And one of the ways I want to talk about it being vulnerable

(42:21):
and being open and talking aboutthings that are not comfortable
and being able to share things. So that's kind of what my
mission also is to redefine masculinity and what it looks
like and having the ability to talk about things that that's
uncomfortable and talk about things that, you know, really
feel strongly about. So that's kind of my, my, my
thought process on why I want tostart this and what you said
before it is so important about these guys are very influential

(42:44):
because they seem like superheroes, right?
Because they're playing professional sports, but when
you realize that a superhero wasjust like you, it makes it makes
you feel good. You're like, oh wow, he's going
through that or he went through that.
Wow, let me think about those things too.
So I think it's a place for those guys to open up because
once again, I think it's going to cause an impact because of
that influence they have over people.

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Absolutely. And I, I love what you're
talking about here with masculinity because I think now
more than ever in 2025, masculinity is depends on who
you talk to is how they're goingto define it, right?
And I think there's a weird divide between real masculinity
and then when someone wants to conveniently say, when a woman
wants to say, oh, that's toxic masculinity right there.

(43:27):
It's like, no, no, I like the episode that just came out today
on the podcast. It's June 19th.
I just had a conversation with afriend of mine, Paul.
He hosts the Come on Man podcast.
He gets some pretty hot takes, some pretty strong takes.
I like dating and things like that, but a lot of women will
comment on his stuff and talk about his stuff.
Be like, oh dude, you're toxic, this is toxic masculinity.
Things like that. Stuff like I think part of

(43:49):
Andrew Tate is pretty toxic, butI think there's a lot of good
points that he has when it comesto masculinity too, and being a
man and just being tough and things like that that mainstream
media will define as toxic masculinity.
But then also there's a side that you can't be too, you can't
be too soft, right? You can't be too vulnerable.
You can't be too emotional. You can't be too, you can't, you

(44:12):
have to be strong enough, but you can't be too strong.
You can't have too much strength, but you, you can be
scared, but you can't have fear or too much of it.
You got to have enough money, but you can't have too much
money because if you had too much money, then that's, you
know, going to be a bad thing inthe end, right?
So it's all like everything's misconstrued.
And I don't think there's a there's very few positive
masculinity narratives out there.

(44:33):
I think to me, if we just oftentimes the one who have the
voices are the ones who being extreme, whether it's one end of
the platform another, I think that those are the ones who are
the loud doesn't have the microphone.
I think a lot of us are in the middle somewhere.
I think majority of us men are somewhere in the middle.
But I think the ones with the loudest platforms, we're not in
loudest platform with the microphones are just the
loudest, are extreme. I think that that's what gets

(44:56):
people attention, the more extreme you are.
But if you go and judge most of America, most of men period,
we're all somewhere in the middle.
You may sway back and forth a little bit one way or another,
but we're not an extreme. And I think that's what happens,
especially in this space right now, social media, all of them
are set up for you got to be on one end of the perspective or
the other or you're not getting any looks of clicks or anything

(45:17):
like that. So I think that's what we hear
all the time. But I've tried around this world
a lot. I meet a lot of people and I
don't meet these extreme people that I hear online.
I just don't. I just don't meet them.
But once again, I just think that they're the ones who have
the loudest microphone right now.
And I think the algorithm is setup for them to be able to get
clicks because that's what movesthe needle.

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But like I said before, I travelaround us where I meet.
I'm talking to you right now. I have no stretch of matter.
I think you're extreme, you knowwhat I mean?
But I just think that those are the ones who get the most
attention. But in my travels, my day-to-day
communication with people, men and women, most of us are
somewhere in the middle. And every now and then we may
slide one way or another, but not to these streams that you
and I see on on Internet right now.

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And I think that's the Internet too.
That's that's what goes out there and what media does to
create the division, right? To create like the narrative,
like, oh, let's let's hyperize this so then we can use it to
talk about this and then use it to talk about this to create a
storyline, right? People like good storylines.
They like big things and captureyour attention, things like

(46:21):
that. But the things we don't talk
about are the important things like this.
This is a very important topic. Friend of mine, Kelly Kelly Jean
Pierre, he hosts the he hosted the miscarriage dad podcast.
Is that what? No, that's what he hosts now.
He used to host the Welcome to Fatherhood podcast, but now he
fully committed to the miscarriage ad podcast.
Like that's a that's an important show right there.

(46:42):
That's an important, important one that I think more men need
to need to listen to just to just to understand what what
another man might be going through just to say, Hey, you
know, actually listen to that podcast and you know, they
understand kind of what to say, what not to say.
And they and we understand ultimately, Corey, if you came
to me and be like, hey, man, I'mfreaking struggling.
Like, wait, you can't get the words.

(47:03):
I was like, bro, I'm like, listen, I'm good.
I'm here for you. Like let me listen to you.
Like just talk to me, man. I'm here for you.
Like it's good. Like you don't got to you don't
got to find the word to say it acertain way.
Like just just talk, man. I'll listen kind of thing.
I think that's what we need moreof in the end for topics like
this, for for IVF, for child lost, for when you as a man are

(47:24):
dealing with infertility issues.When you have those thoughts and
you know, it'd just be better ifI was out of the picture.
Yeah, stuff like that, which I think are very normal thoughts
in all this. But you.
Validated though, you validated those thoughts.
I mean, this podcast, you validated a thought I was
having. But once again, if I'm isolated,
not having a conversation, obviously internalized,
internalized in all of it. That's why I need that way more

(47:44):
men need to be able to be on theother side of the conversation
and be comfortable. Like you're saying here, like
that change of masculine to be comfortable with the
uncomfortable conversations, right?
Be comfortable just listening. Be comfortable taking your dad
hat off and your your man hat off and you know your practical
advice hat and just listen. Just listen, right?
Because we, we're men, we love to fix.
We want to fix our, our, everyone in our lives.

(48:05):
We want to fix everyone around us.
We want to fix everything aroundus.
Sometimes the best fix is just listening.
Yeah, just listening. Yeah.
And that's actually, that's whatI found out through this idea
process with my wife. You know, sometimes she wanted
to talk about things. I want to discuss things and she
didn't want to answer. She just wanted to get it out
and discuss. You know, often times when we
would talk about things in the beginning, I'm trying to find a
solution to that or trying to give her answers or thoughts.

(48:28):
And she's like, no, sometimes. So then I learned that that's
the that's part of it, just listening and everything that
always required and advice. Everything doesn't always
require your opinion. Sometimes just listening is
therapy. And that probably helped us out
the most when I was just listening because sometimes just
wanted to event and then sometimes I just wanted to event
with no judgement and we deal with each other.

(48:49):
We gave her the free space to dothat.
There was no judgement at all because in a split moment, I
stood my emotion. You may feel a certain way, you
might get it out and say it, buthow you feeling right now?
But then that may be a fleeting feeling and an hour later you
don't feel like that anymore. But we never held that against
each other just like, OK, I thought you felt move on.
So there's been a good point there.

(49:09):
You definitely have to be a goodlistener and give people the
space to express themselves and and validate how they feel and,
and don't try to always give them advice on what you think
without this listening is great.And that's where in the book I
talk about when talking to friends and family members, you
know, set the parameters for it.I get a quick story like said,
we had situation where we had miscarriages and you tell

(49:31):
someone that we, we, we had a transfer waiting to hear results
of if it heck or not. They're calling you every two
minutes. You hear anything, you hear
anything, you hear anything yet it's like, no, I haven't heard
anything, but you're waiting forthe doctor to call you.
So every time the phone rings, you have that excitement.
Maybe it's the doctor, but it's a friend calling because they
don't understand it. So that's what I mean when I
talk to people about IVF, make sure you set the parameters on

(49:55):
with your friend and family members on the situation.
I mean, if you choose to share with them, set the parameters
because people don't understand and and no one did this out of
spite or anything. They're trying to help out the
best way they know how. But once again, it's a delicate
situation. So I tell people in the book,
make sure that you set the parameters for the conversations

(50:15):
versus let people just kind of like go all over the place.
Got you. No, that makes a lot of sense.
You got to you got to set those boundaries right.
Everyone needs to need those boundaries.
They need to understand the kindof their place in all of it.
And you know, I think the best way you can, you can know this
is beyond just you having to setthe boundaries as a couple
waiting and whatnot, is that if you're on the other side of this
and you're the family member, you're the friend or something.

(50:37):
And you call me up, you say, hey, Med word.
We just did transfer. We're waiting to hear back.
The best thing I can say in thatsituation is Corey, that's
amazing, dude. Happy to hear that.
Let me know how I can support you.
I'm here for you either way. I'm here for you if it if it, if
it's successful or unsuccessful,But you let me know when you

(50:58):
need support and how you need support.
And I got you, bro. Yeah, yeah.
And that's it. And that's it.
Then you go on to have a conversation about sports or
whatever, right? You leave it there, you do
something and then you'd be like, dude, do you need a like,
do you want to go out? Do you want to, you want to hang
out? Do you want to hop on a game?
Do you want to do you want to chat kind of thing?
Then you just offer, you know that, that then you just offer

(51:18):
the friendship, right, the relationship kind of thing to
take the mind off of it. Because I think the best thing
you can do as a support to someone is if you're, if this is
the situation, I'm just friends with you and you call me, you
tell me everything be like, look, do you do you need to,
because I know, especially if I know history too, and I'm
supportive, like look, I know last time was a little rough.
Do you do you want to go do something?

(51:38):
Do you want to go catch a a minor League Baseball game?
Or you want to go, do you want to just go look around Lowe's or
something, like just to just to help have a distraction or
something that's going to feel supportive or get your mind off
it. You want to go hit, hit some
golf balls. You want to go to the batting
cage or something like offer like offer your time and then

(51:58):
offer your just like good vibes and like your positivity to
them, right? But then just be supportive and
just let them know research and like, look, I'm here for you
either way, man. Like I got you.
Let me know, let me know how I can support you.
And then just offer that supportand then to offer your
friendship, right? Offer your time and things like
that. I think that's the best support
that everyone can give. And guess what?
That's all free support. You don't got to give free life

(52:20):
advice. You just got to be supportive
and kind. Yep, Yep, Yep.
So all good thoughts and, and those are the things I also
discussed in the book. Also those things and even on
the website that we have, it's the same concept.
We're giving advice to friends and family members on, you know,
how to support in this process And the reason why I waited to
after, you know, we have a beautiful son that's now six

(52:41):
months old. The entire process because it
took me time to process what we just went through.
It took me time to figure thingsout.
I could never give out any advice while we're in the middle
of it because I was still tryingto figure things out.
So this is the months after, youknow, we had our son that I was
able to process this and be ableto feel comfortable with
expressing everything I've felt.And it even reopened some

(53:02):
thoughts and feelings I forgot Ieven had.
But it's going to require, you know, it required me to open you
the muscle that I didn't know how to use.
It required me to understand what a teammate really is.
And in the sports analogy, a teammate is someone who is
supporting the team by making plays, supporting team by, you
know, doing all kind of extra stuff.
But sometimes a great teammate is being a good cheerleader, you

(53:25):
know, being a good support system.
So I had to learn that because alot of this process, once I did
my part, I was on the sideline. It was my wife taking all the
shots, my wife going to the ultrasound like that.
So it's being a great supporter,but figuring out how to support
people in the way they want to be supported.
Now, how you think they should be supported?
Ask them what do you need from me like you said before and let
them lead the way and let them show you how.

(53:46):
Because once again, you never know how someone's feeling like
what they're going through. So you want to make sure you let
them take the lead on how they want to be supported or how you
can help them out and support them.
So you mentioned that you, you have a six month old and then
this, all this will wrap up after this, but you meant you
have a six month old now. What big your your biggest joy,
your biggest surprise or biggestlesson learned about fatherhood

(54:09):
now that you're you're in the trenches now?
Well, I will tell you this, my wife and I went through 3 1/2
years of IBF, went through 4 miscarriages.
So you learn to appreciate it. I'm sure all dads appreciate
having a kid at the same time. What we went through to get him
here, it makes me appreciate even more.
And just when he, you know, whenI hang out with him and see like

(54:30):
the, the growth every single day, you know, he's getting
bigger, he's making anything. And then they need party, the
healthy boy and he's hitting allhis Marks and cues right now.
He's rolling. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's
making raspberries. He's doing all those things.
And now I can be, which I wantedto be the dad.
My dad passed when I was nine years old.

(54:51):
But this guy, my dad left an amazing mark on my life just in
nine years. And I carry those things with me
to this day about perseverance, about working hard, about
avoiding a free lunch, all thosethings.
So now I can pour that into my son.
So even now at six months, I'm talking to him as if he's 26
years old. You know, we're having like
conversations because I wanted to make sure that I can give him

(55:11):
as much as I can while I'm here.Hope I'm here for another 200
years. But if not, I didn't waste a
time or a second, you know, pouring into him.
So we go on walks every single day.
You know, we hang out every day and I'm having conversations
with them and I'm reading to himevery single day.
So that's been the biggest joy, to be able to share my
experience that I've had being abusinessman, being an NFL

(55:32):
player, all those things as a young age.
And right now he just listens and just smiles.
So that's pretty no push back atall though.
All my advice is great advice atthis point in time, right?
That is, man. Heck yeah.
That's amazing, man. Yeah.
Of course, congratulations on a successful IVF journey and then
hopefully you know, if you guys do decide to more, hopefully
more continue success, more continue healthy pregnancies and

(55:54):
whatnot as you guys continue to grow your family as well.
Because I'm telling you, even though people say who's better
than one, it really depends on the day.
I have two myself, but it reallydepends on the day.
When did you decide? Quick question, when did you
decide to have another one? Like at what point in time do
you decide to have another one? My big thing personally that I
would, my advice if you have oneyou're looking at expanding is

(56:17):
get your first one out of diapers, get the get the first
one off the off the latch off the boob, get them out of
diapers and get them potty trained.
You accomplish those three things then or if you're close
to accomplishing those three things, then start.
The process yeah because I so 1 of this.
Circumstances as they are, right?

(56:39):
Every circumstance is different.100% understand that maybe you
have to have more urgency and you know, do a have them, you
know, a year apart, have them two years apart, things like
that or whatever your circumstances and whatnot is you
got to do what you got to do andthat's OK too.
There's nothing wrong with that.My advice if you're able to and
it's fine, you're at the age andresources, things like that, is

(57:00):
to get one out of diapers, get them potty trained, get them off
the boob. So then some of those like needy
bonds are like broken and then they're less, you know, they're
less needy and they can see you more as a, as a help and more as
a, they actually can take on more of a, a big sister, Big
Brother kind of role because they are capable of grabbing a

(57:21):
diaper or grabbing something or help being a help.
And those little kids that age right around 3-4 years old, they
love to be helpers. They love to help and they're
going to love to take care of the, the little baby too.
So it's really, it's a cool experience.
Yeah, appreciate it. I, I ask that question because
like at this point in time, we're, we're, we're in the
trenches of like sleep and things of that nature.

(57:43):
I'm like, at what point in time,the people side, I do this, I'm
gonna do this again. I'm gonna push the reset button
and all this progress we just made.
So just curious on that thought process.
This like it's been a joint experience, but it's been an
experience. Like I said, he's finally been
able to sleep through the night and it was the point in time.
It was like every two hours he would get up, Yep, at night.
And it's the continuous thing. So yeah, yeah, we're we're

(58:06):
turned that corner, knock on wood.
So everything is been good. Yeah, I hear you, man.
I hear you, man. OK, well, Corey, this has been a
great conversation. I do want to jump into the Dad
Zone real quick if you have a couple extra minutes.
The Dad Zone is just some fun, lighthearted questions that we
that I like to ask every guest that comes on the show before we
close this one out officially. So first question in the Dad
Zone here, who are three people,dead or alive, that you wouldn't

(58:27):
like to invite over for a dinnerparty?
Definitely my dad if I could, you know, definitely invite,
invite him over for a dinner party.
Of course, my brother. But I I say celebrities
definitely Charles Barkley, liketo have him over to pick his
brand. I think he's hilarious guy,
probably like Dave Chappelle. My number one would be Jay-Z,
but yeah, those. Things are definitely that's
awesome. That's a party right there.

(58:49):
That's a good time you. Learn so much and laugh at the
same time. Yep.
Yeah, I, I noticed that a lot, alot of people will pick someone
like serious, they'll pick someone they just like, really
admire, like whatever, like profession they're in, someone
that they look up to. And a lot of people will pick a
comedian just to keep the mood light and keep it going.
Yeah, keep the party fun and light hearted.

(59:10):
So that's really cool. What is your guilty pleasure
food or what was kind of your your cheap food while you were
in the league? Man to this day M&M's man M man
I can eat 2 pack large king sizein an accession names of my
still my cheat to this day. Hey love it.
You're going to be real. Helpful peanut mouthful When

(59:32):
you're potty training, Yeah, when you're potty training, I.
Heard I heard Peanut talk about Cheerios, Yeah.
Yeah, but no, I potty trained mymy youngest daughter when she
was potty training. I potty trained her with with
Skittles. OK, She would get one skittle
for peeing in the toilet and shewould get 2 Skittles for pooping
in the toilet. Wow.
OK, Good, good, good. So that's a hat right there.
Briber kids to potty train them.Yes, they're definitely getting

(59:52):
guy turn them on to peanut M&M's, definitely.
Yeah, I'm going get them going early.
Yeah. Second last question here in the
down zone, does pineapple go on pizza?
Yes. Right then.
All right, then I. Love what happened on my pizza.
Okay, I guess NFL, NFL, former NFL players are.
It's probably the head trauma, honestly.
I'm just messing. I'm messing here.

(01:00:13):
And then last question here, last question here.
What is one piece of advice thatyou would give to a young dad?
Let's say he's 18 to 22 years old, super young, just starting
out his fatherhood journey. Be intentional about whatever
you do, be intentional and know that that child's watching
everything you say and do. It's important real quick.
I owned a priest, all boys preschool in my hometown at age
of three to five and I realized that those kids watch everything

(01:00:34):
you do and they mimic everythingyou do.
So definitely make sure that you're doing everything that you
want him to be doing in front ofhim.
Awesome. Well, Corey, thank you so much
today for this conversation on football, IVF for opening up,
for sharing your story and it I can tell it truly all comes from
the heart. Thank you all comes from the
heart and I love that. I love that about you.

(01:00:54):
I love that look, the story thatyou shared today, mother, we got
to talk ball and IVF. What a what a time combination
combination. Great combo.
So to our listeners, check out IVF playbook.com or IVF Illumla,
IVF Playbook for man.com. And then Corey, is there also
your coreyparchman.com website as well.
Good place. Yeah, they can find, look, they

(01:01:15):
can learn a lot about me personally on the coreypart.com
website, the IVF for men play with Men website.
They have everything IVF from a blog, from updates online
course, also their videos and also the podcast.
So everything just look up IVF Playbook for men.
You'll find a podcast, you'll find the book, you'll find the
website. Everything's else name the same
thing. Love it.

(01:01:36):
And then I guess very last thinghere, does the do either of the
websites have your current fortytime on them?
My current 40 time is the last 40 time I ran which is a 4/2 so
I haven't run one since. So hey, don't work.
It's still good. Yeah.
No one can prove. I can't run that right now.
No one can prove. That love it 4242 speed Get them
out there. Get them out there.
Who needs a receiver? Call them up.
Call them up. I know I I I I-1 route left in

(01:01:58):
me left. I have a goal route left in me.
So if you might need to receive I got 1 route left, you need one
play you call me up you. Got that?
You got that Terrell Owens on the Seahawks special right there
or that Jerry Rice on the Seahawks show.
I don't know why they always come to Seattle.
I don't know why, but I don't know.
I didn't give my pick earlier. I did want to shout out my local
Seattle Seahawks. I'm predicting a Seahawks,

(01:02:20):
Raiders, Super Bowl this year most because I just love my man
Pete. I'll always love Pete, you know,
and Pete we trust and, you know,shout out to him and love that
what he's going to do there withthe Raiders and how he's going
to totally change the organization around, you know,
top to bottom, just with his leads.
Who's your quarterback in Seattle?
Sam Darnold, OK, this thing, I'mpretty sure it's going to be

(01:02:41):
Jalen Millro about halfway through the season.
That dude's a dog. That's a dog right there.
Why did you guys give him a Gino?
I mean, I thought he's doing pretty good.
He was, but they wanted they he wanted more money.
They didn't want him. We were able to get Darnold on
the cheap and then draft Millro and we also traded DK.
So then we brought in Cooper Cupand so, you know, we just wanted

(01:03:03):
to move things around a little bit and, you know, shake it up
because, you know, why not? Mike McDonald wanted, I think
Mike McDonald wanted to create more of his system, his culture.
He wanted to, you know, send thePete guys back to Pete because I
mean, he traded them to the Raiders, Gino.
And I think Gino really wanted to be there too.
From what everything I read is that Gino wanted out if they

(01:03:23):
didn't pay him and Gino requested to go to the Raiders
as well and then to go reunite with Pete so.
There were Gino is right now in the Raiders.
Yeah, he's starting for the Raiders, so.
OK, OK. Yeah, Other than that, I think
that's everything. Corey, this has been such an
amazing conversation. This has been so fun.
I've, I've loved every second ofit.
It's been so fun. I know our listeners will love
this. And to our listeners, you listen

(01:03:43):
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