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September 8, 2025 63 mins

Could mold, Lyme, or other hidden pathogens trigger an immune response so powerful that it actually rewires the body’s defenses? 

In this highly informative episode, Dr. Christian Navarro-Torres of CIRS Lab takes us on a deep dive into Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS). He unpacks the science of how biotoxins from water-damaged buildings, bacteria, and chronic infections can drive the immune system into a constant state of dysregulation. You’ll gain clarity on the most effective testing options for diagnosing CIRS, hear the latest research linking it to neurological decline, and be inspired by real stories of remarkable recovery. Whether you’re a patient, caregiver, or simply curious, this episode delivers cutting-edge insights to help you understand CIRS and discover hopeful paths toward healing.

Episode Highlights

· What is Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS), and what causes and symptoms define it? (4:04)

· Do you need a genetic predisposition to develop CIRS? (14:56)

· How is CIRS diagnosed, and why is it so challenging? (17:28)

· What can trigger CIRS? (23:09)

· Why does CIRS make it harder for the body to fight Lyme, Babesia, and Bartonella? (25:47)

· How common are tick-borne infections, and what makes them difficult to diagnose? (30:45)

· What is the best test for Lyme and coinfections? (36:51)

· What is Dr. Navarro-Torres’ personal story of recovering from CIRS? (40:13)

· What does the latest research reveal about CIRS? (45:21)

· How is CIRS linked to neurodegeneration? (50:53)
· What’s the newest way to complete NeuroQuant testing? What did imaging show in a patient whose brain began to heal from CIRS? (57:39)

Links mentioned in interview:

Visual Contrast Sensitivity Test: https://www.vcstest.com

Ritchie Shoemaker, Dennis House, and James Ryan, Structural brain abnormalities in patients with inflammatory illness acquired following exposure to water-damaged buildings: A volumetric MRI study using NeuroQuant®: https://www.survivingmold.com/docs/Structural_Brain_Abnormalities_in_Patients.PDF

Start Here tab: https://changetheairfoundation.org/mold-water-damage/

IGeniX Inc.: https://igenex.com

Dr. Dale Bredesen’s books: https://www.apollohealthco.com/books/

Get in touch with our guest:

CIRS Lab: https://www.cirslab.com

CIRS Research Foundation: https://cirs-research-foundation.org

Instagram: @cirslab

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CIRSlab

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cirslab

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