A High-Flying Episode: From Air Force to Tennis & Jeopardy

Friends, it's not often that we get to chat with someone as diverse in interests and experiences as our guest on today's episode. We're in for a real treat as we sit down with Pete, a seasoned Air Force pilot, tennis enthusiast, and trivia whizz! Pete walks us through the intricate dynamics of his family's tennis tournaments where he plays alongside his father and daughter, proving that love for the game transcends generations. 

Pete’s story pivots from Air Force pilot (Tom Cruise is jealous) to his job as a Pilot flying 787's, to family tennis matches. He opens up about the profound impact of 9/11 on his career and the airline industry and delves into the rewarding experiences of teaching brand-new pilots in the Air Force. As though that’s not enough, Pete shares his experience playing pickleball, his foray into mountain biking during COVID, and his ongoing quest to up his tennis game. 

But wait, there's more! Closing the chat with Pete, we shift gears and explore his experience with the Jeopardy online test and audition process. Who knew that the man who can handle a fighter jet at Mach speed would also find himself in the fast-paced world of television game shows? Join us for this heartwarming conversation that’s as much about family and tennis as it is about embracing new challenges.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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you.
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(00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, pete, thank you for coming.
my friend You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I know We don't even want to say what time it is.
It's very late.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
It is It's late on a Friday night.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, and here we are .
Yeah, here we are.
So, and you are the first guestI'm going to have no notes on.
So you know, what's funny isI've been going through this
thing where I tried to likeprepare, you know, really, like,
well, let me learn all aboutthem.
I would even like Google peopleI know like Adam or some
outside Googling them And then,as it kept progressing, i had

(01:11):
less and less notes to where,like, i'd have no notes And it's
like, well, i'm even having anotepad, like maybe your guests
are getting worse and worse.
No, it's just like we're justtalking.
It's like you know who cares.
I mean, you like to talk anyway.
So, this one's going to bepretty easy.
Yeah, we've had a lot of somegood debates, yes, good talks.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
We like talking about everything, actually True.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, i'm gun controlled.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, politics.
And then we went to aliensAliens Last time, religion,
sorta Yeah, and we might have toask you an aliens question
today because you are a pilot.
We're going to have to get intothat.
But let's start about you, pete.
So I know your wife, i knowyour daughter.
I don't know your son too well,well, he's following your

(01:55):
footsteps.
Yeah, so he's going to lawschool right now.
He's just graduated.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Oh, I'm sorry, That's right Oh he just graduated.
Yeah, he's studying for the baras we speak.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh my gosh, and when is he taking the bar?
July, is it?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
July Yep, july 26th or 27th, i think.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Is he taking a?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
bar prep class or anything.
Yep, that's what he's doing.
He's living at grandma's.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh cool.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
And he's got the eight hour a day.
You know bar prep class?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, and do you know which one Is it?
Barbara, or?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I think it's not that one, it's the next one, every
other, a lot of his friends tookBarbary Yeah.
And I think he opted for theother one.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, i forget.
There's another one that'spretty big and I can't think of
it for some reason, right now.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
And he went to law school out in New York.
He did in Brooklyn Law School.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, it's called Brooklyn Law School.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay cool, And he was doing some cool intern stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yeah, his last internship and it will be his
job now He's got the offer.
So, it's working withshareholder litigation, where
they represent shareholders inmerger situations, to make sure
that the company that was takenover was valued correctly.
And so I think sometimesthey'll go find their own, like,

(03:07):
well, that doesn't look right.
And sometimes people will cometo them and usually it's class
action and they'll just say youshould have got 25 bucks of
share instead of 22 or whatever,oh, and then the lawsuit will
be, So you revalue the companyand then make sure the
shareholders get what theyprobably should have had?
Wow, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I think it seems like it's a pretty good entry into
mergers and acquisitions.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, totally We'll see, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, i'm happy for him.
I think it's a good space Ohthat's so cool And his office is
in the.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Empire State Building .
Is it really?
That's pretty cool.
Oh my gosh, isn't there like arun there like up the stairs
kind of thing, or no?
That I don't know.
He didn't tell you about that.
I think he's a good shape.
You could probably do it?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, I'm sure you could Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Sure, there's always been one at the gosh.
What is it?
The US Bank Building in LA?
Is that the tall building Thatsounds right?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I'm almost positive there's a stair run there that
I've always wanted to do.
Yeah, it seems pretty cool.
Okay, so let's start with alittle tennis.
I do want to go back to yourfamily, obviously, but you're a
4.5 USTA rated player And youdon't know your UTR probably.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I looked a while back , it's like between 6.5 and 7, i
don't know 6.7, something likethat.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
And you've probably not played any tournaments.
I don't think It's been a while.
Yeah, Wait, we played a doublestournament.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, but that was pre-COVID, was it really?
That was La Jolla.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Honestly, i didn't know.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
it was that long, i think the last thing I did was
some family stuff.
I played with my daughter Yeah,that's right And my dad, both
last summer, about a year ago.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh, I didn't know that Which was fun.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
You know it's great playing with your family.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Like literally a father-son.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, we did the Nationals for five or six times
Maybe.
I think about four or fivetimes actually, and I think we
won one set out of five or sixmatches that we played.
But you know, it's a little bitdifferent level up on the
Nationals.
And then last year my daughterand I also played the

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father-daughter Nationals andhad three matches because they
were groups that you played, soyou were guaranteed the three
Same thing.
I don't think we won a set, butwe were fairly competitive.
I didn't feel bad, i didn't feelfully outclassed, so that was a
lot of fun.
It's, like I said, just great,yeah, being able to do that.

(05:34):
It's a different mentality, youknow, because you have the
deeper bonds and stuff fromfamily stuff And like you
probably know that I have a bitof a temper, but it's just with
those family members.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
I just don't.
It doesn't show, because youknow it's just more fun than
anything else.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So no, husband, wife.
You didn't talk about thatActually.
that is not true.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
We did do husband wife.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
And I did that same tournament in La Jolla.
We did husband wife and one,one and last one We did fairly
well, we actually match uppretty well together.
She's, she's a four, oh, andI'm a four five.
So we can't really do leagues.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well, we could, but no, you're right, though That's
like a nine five.
Oh no, i'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Look at my bad.
So we'd have to go up to nine.
Oh, to the nine.
Oh, that's right, we might be alittle bit outmatched at that
point.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
You know why, though, cause sometimes the a lot of
times I've seen it It's the fiveoh guy, the four oh girl, and
the five oh guys.
You know they can be prettytough, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
So yeah, um, you know I'm expecting to be moved down
to four or anytime else.
So if that happens we'll beable to do the eightos again.
Oh, that'd be cool, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I don't know, you probably want to go down then,
just to do that, Aside from thehit on your ego?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
it wouldn't be too bad for us or for me?
Yeah, for you.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Well, for you, it would only be helpful because
you can still play four or fiveleague.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, and then you could start playing some eight.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's just really all ego.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, yeah, totally, it doesn't really matter.
I know it's funny, because mywife got moved down one, one, uh
, one year.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
and she appealed it to what are you doing?
You just beat three, five, andthen we could play.
Yeah, It was the same scenario,but it was the same thing, you
know who wants to get moved down.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's no good.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
And uh, so there's that And it's possible.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
You know I haven't been struggling a little bit in
leagues so far, so um, see, Idon't even know how they do that
, because I mean you've won some.
you play dubs only, right, Ordid you play singles too?

Speaker 3 (07:35):
It's been a while for singles, probably pre-COVID
again.
So yeah, all dubs and You werewinning some, though right.
I was but God it's beenprobably two seasons, I think.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Since you wanna match in leagues, shoot, i know,
right, okay, well, maybe then Idon't know how they do that.
Maybe we should talk aboutconfidence.
I think that's a thing you know, If you wanna talk tennis
things maybe confidence.
All right, I'll make sure towrite that down in my notebook.
Oh my gosh, I didn't know that.
Well, yeah, Denise was tellingme we wanna play a husband wife.

(08:07):
I just haven't found one yet.
So probably La Jolla hasmultiple ones.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, and it just happened this week actually.
Oh, it did.
Yeah, i know I wanted to spreadthe word up here, but I ended
up not being able to playbecause I was out of town for
some of it and then mydaughter's hurt too, so we ended
up not doing it.
But our Joey Ballaweg, whowe've had on the show, and his
dad, they played the father son.

(08:32):
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think they won.
It went made the finals lastyear or the year before.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Tougher draw this year, so I think they won one
and lost in the second round.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
But that's cool.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
They're just a great team.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh yeah, We love how they play.
Yeah, I mean both really goodplayers.
Yeah, they were saying likethere's a lot of D1 kids and
then some older, the dads, whoare really amazing too.
So it's just tough.
You said your wife's a 4-0.
I haven't seen her playing alot.
Is she still playing?
She plays so to back up alittle bit.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
We moved down a couple of three years ago,
almost now down to Encinitas,which is in San Diego County,
and she's in a couple of threeleagues, so she plays really
four or five times, oh really,and she's improved a lot And oh
my gosh, you know it's her thingAnd I love it, you know so, no,
that's so cool.
I think we should play more.

(09:29):
Sometimes I'll go play with herand her friends and it's fun
for me.
Yeah, yeah So, but yeah, she'sdoing great, she's playing well,
and we really should go out andplay some more.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
So you haven't done any San Diego, you haven't
joined any San Diego leagues.
Well, our league is San.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Diego, yeah, i know, because we play at a fall brick,
which is Maybe you are playingSan Diego league You don't tell
us.
Actually, that is true, Oh youare.
I had my first try level match.
Oh wow, this season is trylevel.
It just started last week.
What does that mean?
Well, try level is there'sthree levels and one, it's all
doubles.
So there's a like for ourleague.

(10:06):
it's one team of three, five,one four, oh, and one four, five
.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
And so That's how the team makeup has to be, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
So we've got you know three or four of each level and
you know you make your lineupAnd so I played the first match
and continued my losing streak.
but but no, it's fun, so I'mplaying.
it's out of like ocean side,the team I'm on.
The guy find me through UTRactually, oh really, and I
hadn't met any of these guys.

(10:36):
but it's a nice way to you knowfight some more guys down where
I live.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh heck.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, that's cool, cause I still like I come up
here.
You know it's about an hourdrive and.
I'll come up here on Mondaynights when I can and play with
my friends my guys, my teammates, or Yeah, And it's a little.
sometimes it's a little bit ofa thing, especially the
traffic's getting horrible andstarting to get to be more like

(11:01):
an hour and a half.
But you know I love the guys.
You know most of the guysyou've had on the show already
are from our team and you know.
I just so fortunate to be a partof this group, And so I make
that trip for that.
You know, I love catching upwith everybody, you know like
we're doing tonight, but yeah,but yeah, it's about time I find

(11:24):
a little bit more down therefor the, and I'm starting to So.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
And you playing?
I know we played pickleball atone time and went out there a
few years ago, but are youplaying any pickleball?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I think my name came up and some pickleball
discussion earlier on thepodcast.
Did we say it Like Pete's doingthis, i'm like I don't want to
be the champion of pickleball,but I do play.
But it's a different vibe forme anyway.
Like, tennis to me is more of asport and I take it a little
bit more seriously.
I'll, i don't drink beer when Iplay tennis but I do.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
when I play pickleball, i play big ball.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
For example.
You know so but it's fun.
It's a decent workout and but Ikeep it there for now.
And yeah, tennis to me I take alittle bit serious, more
seriously, and you know There'sno tournaments at your place.
No.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Like no one puts on any.
I mean, you got what?
Four courts.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well at our actual where I live, there are yeah,
yeah.
And then in Encinitas, where Ilive, there's a club called
Bobby Riggs That used to be atennis club And it's all
pickleball now.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Wait, they took out all the courts in the back too.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yeah, I think there might be two left, two in the
back, yeah, and the rest is allpickleball And it was a very
it's.
it's a pretty well known placein the pickleball world.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
You know, what's funny is that's the first place
I think I really saw likeorganized pickleball Cause when
I was playing, maybe even stillin the four, five league.
we went out there and Iremember those two front courts
like they had a little coffeeshop or wherever it was the pro
shop Yeah.
And I just heard a lot ofsmacking going on That was the
pickleball I'm like what is this?
And I think they converted thatfront court.

(13:01):
So now you're saying theyconverted all of them.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, I think the two tennis courts are in the back.
I believe I haven't been.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh man, they're probably trashed I rode my bike
over there once just to seeabout pickleball.
I just sat there for an hourand watched And watched
pickleball.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I asked everybody like how does it work And?
they're like yeah you pay 10bucks an hour for a court And I
don't know if it's still thecase.
I was a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
But I was like, wow, this is serious And it's you
know.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
it's only 10 times more now.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Oh yeah, it's nuts.
I honestly I make a joke Like Ialways talk about like ice
cream food and pickleball everypodcast and I don't want to, But
I just can't get it.
I don't get pickleball And Itry to watch it on YouTube And
the other night I was likeliterally trying to watch some
pickleball And it was like thebest pickleball point ever And

(13:52):
it was just dink, dink, dink.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
And it was like this is no exaggeration.
I think it was a 50 rally pointAnd I'm like what is this?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, that's like the strategy you know with the
kitchen and all that.
Yeah, yeah Is to just like dinkit over until somebody pops one
up just high enough so you cansmack it at their right hip.
I think that's the whole game.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh really, the right hip.
Yeah, i guess Why the right hip?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, if you're right handed, if you're left handed,
it'd be the left hip, cause it'shard to.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you can't hit aforehand.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
It's hard to get your hand down there for the back.
That's so weird.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
And that's just me without a lesson, So you know,
are you kicking anyone's butt atall Like in pickleball?
My wife, if I have to, yeah ofcourse.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I need now.
I actually ride my bike up.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
There's a park in Carl's bad that has, it's fun.
There's like two challengecourts and four more social
courts, and so I'll go play atthe social courts and you just
put your paddle up in the lineupand whoever's next you play
with.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Put your court, you put your quarter up on your
street fighter.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, it's like putting the quarter on the pool
table, right.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Or the pool table.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
So, but it's fun.
You know it's getting to bepretty crowded though, so you
play a game, and if there's morethan I think, eight people
waiting, then all four play, andthen you all get off the court,
okay, and then you're in thequeue as they say Yeah, sit
around for 15 minutes and thengo play again.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
So you went straight to pool.
You'd never played arcade games, like me.
No, street fighter NBA jam Doyou know?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
no, I'm way older than you.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
So what would you have played?
Dungeons and Dragons.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Not even no waiting for that.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
That's after you too.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I was like Pac-Man and Marvel's.
Well, i did play Marvel's in agreat school.
Oh, okay, i know the chacks,but I could probably be okay,
yeah, okay, yeah, see, you knowthe move.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I know it too, though .
Yeah, we forgot to talk aboutyour daughter, so tell you know
she obviously played a lot oftennis.
She's not playing anymore, orNo?
she?

Speaker 3 (15:55):
well, right now she's kind of hurt.
She's got some shoulder stuffgoing on that has been lingering
since her soccer days, So she'sa kind of all around athlete.
She played both soccer andtennis in high school and a lot
of club soccer and didn't leavea lot of time for trying to get

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ranked in the USTA or in thejuniors.
So with that she kind of choseher path to be a college athlete
for soccer, which she did.
She played there at UC SantaBarbara and did quite well.
But so you know, tennis took abit of a backseat.
but she's graduated almost twoyears now and getting back into

(16:40):
tennis and it's nice And she'sstarting to hit once or twice a
week with a couple guys orwhatever that are around.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I think she's just on a break now because the
shoulder's acting up again.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Shoulder from tennis.
No, I think she actually gotkind of crushed in the soccer
game once and separated it.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
And I think the rehab wasn't a priority because of
it's not really a big thing insoccer, But oh, that's true, huh
.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
So it's time now, and she's smartly taken care of it
And I think once that's taken,care of.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I think she's interested in you know competing
again, and then she shouldcause she's got great strokes,
she's great athlete.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Wow, i remember her.
Yeah, she's tall too.
She's six feet.
She's six feet, yeah, lefty, ohwow, yeah, so she's a presence.
Oh my gosh.
Wow that's so cool, and let'stalk about what your work, a
little My work.
Maybe we'll get into aliens, ormaybe you can't talk about it

(17:46):
publicly.
We'll see, we'll see.
So, tell me a little about yourwork.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Well, I am a airline pilot for United.
Airlines and I work out of LosAngeles.
I fly international on the 787as a first officer.
Is that the biggie?
The?
biggest, it's not the biggest,but it's a wide body.
So you know, you get the dualaisle and we, you know, do all

(18:13):
the international.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's not a double decker, No it's not that big.
We don't even have thoseanymore at United.
Oh.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
The biggest one is a triple seven And then this is a
787.
And out of LA we fly mostly toAustralia and Tokyo, London,
little bit of trans cons, youknow, like New York, maybe
Chicago occasionally, And so The87 is smaller than the triple

(18:44):
seven.
Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, that doesn't make sense to me, right.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
The 90 cents is huge.
Yeah, no, I don't even know ifthere is one, but Oh, okay, I
agree it doesn't quite makesense The number is bigger 787.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Oh, that's weird.
I think it's just newer, Ohokay.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Nice, don't get it.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
So you got into that because you used to fly in the
Air Force too, Yeah, so tell mea little about that I went out
of high school.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
believe it or not, I went to the Air Force Academy
for college.
Straight out of high school,yeah, so they just lead you down
the path generally to, at leastin that time, to be a pilot.
When was this Uh.
I graduated in 88.
I'm way older than you.
Wait from high school, no fromcollege.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Oh, from college.
I was gonna say that's a little, that's not old.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Okay, from college, okay well, that's still not that
old, okay, thanks.
Thanks for that, and anyway.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
so yeah, I finished college in 2000.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Oh, my god so I wait 12 years 2001.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
This bugs killing me, so 13.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I catch him.
Yeah, at any rate Off, i wentthere.
Which?
is a decision I made when I was18 years old, and everything
just got laid out after.
You know, like I said, theAcademy pushed you to be a pilot
, and I didn't see anything anybetter.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
So is that because it was Air Force, they pushed you
to be a pilot?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, i think so partly, but I think they kind of
Think of that as like the bestthing you can do.
Okay so if you were physicallyqualified, you know Your eyes
were good and all that, andthat's kind of if they just kind
of gotten ingrained to you, youknow, and so meaning that you
wanted to do it, or I think bythe time you graduated Somehow,

(20:37):
you wanted to because becausethat's just what you were told
over and over.
I'm just saying yeah, it isinteresting.
You know I'd like to do a studyof that sometime, but then
again, You know I went thereBecause I looked at the brochure
and it looked pretty awesome.
Yeah, they were flyingparachuting and oh yeah gliders
and all this cool stuff.
So so yeah, I was probablyreceptive to that, to that

(21:02):
Suggestion anyway.
So graduated and and off I wentto pilot training in Phoenix
and There it all started.
That that takes about aftercollege Mm-hmm.
Okay, so it takes a year andThen you owe the Air Force,
after that another.
Back then it was another eightyears.
So I'm stuck being a pilot foreight years and Did a couple

(21:25):
different things.
My first assignment they theykept me where I was to be an
instructor to the brand-new guys.
I'm not sure about the wisdomof that.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
You know, I just learned how to fly teach the
next guys.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah yeah, but that's what I did for, you know, four
years or so.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh my gosh, that's cool often New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I went to fly cargo planes C141s They were called
and Did that till my commitmentwas up and in 1999 and Got out
of the Air Force the active dutyAir Force but stayed in the
reserves.
Which was a kind of an importantthing, as we'll find out in a
sec.
And that's when I got hired byUnited back in 1999.

(22:04):
So for a while I was doing both.
You know, flying for theairlines and you know the
weekend warrior They call it.
You know I'd fly at times forthe Air Force as well, the
reserves.
And then, you know, 9-11happened and The airlines were a
little heavy on pilots becausethey cut way back, so they Uh,

(22:25):
furloughed a bunch.
I had another word, but I know Idon't want to put your knees.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Maker, maker, yeah, blank us.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
But yeah, anyway, uh.
So I got furloughed and soluckily they took me back into
the reserves full-time.
So I did that from 2003 Believeit or not to 2015, so 12 years
I was out from United.
Wow, doing just Air Forcereserves.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Are you technically still an employee then, or, but
just not being paid?
I was, yeah, oh, so I was onthe list and everything.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
I didn't lose any.
I mean I didn't get pay orbenefits really okay but But I
had my place and so okay, whenthey were ready to call me back.
Then, you know, it happened, ithink, briefly in 20 or 2007,
but We were doing pretty well inthe reserves and decided not to
go back, and a good thing,because I would have got axed

(23:20):
again in 2009 and lasted lessthan two years, oh wow.
And then they recalled me forgood in 2013.
But I stayed out a couple longyears or a couple more years to
lock in some benefits.
Yeah, and so came back in 2015,retired from the Air Force
completely and the reservescompletely, mm-hmm and has just
been united since 2015.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Can't believe it's already eight years.
Wow seems like Days.
So when you were teaching forthe Air Force, i mean, is it?
I mean I'm not gonna say it'stop gun and bring In all that,
but like, what were you doing?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
like where you just well, i was in the T-37, which
is the Air Force's primarytrainer, so I was literally
taking guys who had have like 10hours in a like a you know
Cessna.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Okay, what you get in the Air Force.
You start out with a Cessna.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, you get a little get all the way up to
like a solo, so you get a littleconfidence and know what it's
like, okay, and then, but that'sreally nothing you know.
So you get these guys who'vebarely flown and women, guys and
girls, yeah, yeah, and So, yeah, we teach them how to fly.
And I've had some pretty coolExperiences with people saying

(24:33):
you taught me how to fly, oh wowand they've, you know They had
after we do the primary trainer.
That's about half the year.
Then they go to the supersonicstuff where you do the crazy fun
stuff, okay, but it's nice tohave somebody come back after
doing all that You know, goingsupersonic, yeah, and doing some

(24:53):
of the cool stuff you do inthat plane too, coming back to
say You though you fly and itwas rewarding.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
It is that.
That's probably equivalent tolike I have some friends who
will come back and go.
Do you know?
you taught me stick shift whenwe were 15 pretty similar,
probably.
You know, what's funny is whenI was in college I had this guy
take me up.
I don't know what kind of planeit was called.

(25:21):
There was only a two-seater.
We were literally if I hope I'mnot exaggerating this story and
you'll tell me if I'm right orwrong We were going like 70
miles per hour in the air.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
That's sound right, yeah that's my memory 70, 80, 90
.
Yeah, i mean, there's somethingI go that especially.
You know They have differentdevices like flaps that allow
you to fly slower and stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
It was very scary and the guy didn't know really how
to land, which was another scarypart.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
That would have probably, and we were sweating
into that plane.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
There's no airco, right?
How does that work?
I just remember sweatinghorribly.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, it can get warm .
Yeah, it takes power off theengine.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
So so you, we just don't, we didn't put it on
probably.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
He was probably torturing you.
I don't know, I don't rightlyso.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't remember.
It Just was not a funexperience.
It's probably why I hate flyingnow.
I don't like flying at all.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
So weird.
So many people tell me that Idon't like it at all.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, it's to be honest, i don't particularly
like riding in the back.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I don't like being a passenger, not because of any
Fears yeah, just cuz it's notcomfortable.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, that's true.
Yeah, yeah, this is notcomfortable.
You know, maybe you know I'venever flown first class, so
maybe it's a totally differentexperience.
Yeah, oh, let me tell you.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Are you black ball?
They won't let you up there.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Are you just too cheap?
Probably that, actually,totally that.
Yeah, we, i've never evenpriced it out.
That's how cheap I am.
It's probably just triplenowadays.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Wow, fairs are way up really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
So, because of gas Price is?
no, it's not really even that.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
It's just supply and demand.
Right now, the gas isn't.
It's not crazy high right now.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
That's true, it's not too much.
I can use three, so That'scrazy.
Okay, so let's go into tennis.
We might as well.
This is a tennis podcast.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
What would you like to tell us?
you did mention confidence.
Why?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
confidence.
Well, just cuz You know, i knowthat we've talked, or it's been
mentioned on this podcast aboutour Fabulous run to the
nationals and everything.
Oh yeah, that amazing team andEven at that time You know I
felt like confident played well.
Maybe it was the guys we allplayed together and stuff, yeah.

(27:38):
But honestly, it's weird comingnow Like you threw a couple
losses in a row and you startwondering what you're doing
wrong.
I don't know, Maybe you could,maybe you don't lose a bunch in
a row, but I've never had aSituation like this where I'm
starting to really wonder,because I'm playing a decent
amount and You know I'm drillingmore than I ever have, which I

(28:03):
don't ever particularly want todo.
But yeah, i feel like, wow, i'mputting in the right, you know
time, but it's.
I'm not seeing that Result onthe court yet and I think partly
it's just I'm not all in.
You know, with some of thethings we've been drilling with.
I've been hitting with Brad Idon't know if you remember him.
Dancer you met him a bit fallbroke, but okay very good player

(28:26):
, great junior, and he's almostlike an instructor to me.
You mean that we hit togetherbut Maybe I'm just not taking
some of the lessons there andapplying them to the court, and
that's confidence.
You have to take what you learnand live and die by it.
And I go back to the pity padsometimes when things tighten up

(28:47):
and where you should be hittingthe stuff you've been working
on.
You're going to back off alittle bit And I'm telling
everybody out there is listening, probably not the right way.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
You know, what's so funny about that is?
I do recognize that lately,which is and because I hit a lot
more with my wife And soobviously you learn a lot.
When you start helping others,Right.
Anytime you teach, you start toreally know the subject, right,
Just like teaching a class orsomething.
Maybe it's just seeing theother side of it I don't know

(29:20):
what it is or maybe it's liketrying to dissect it so much in
order to teach it to someone.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
It could be.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I think that's probably it more.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
But still, even if you see these little things, you
still have to apply them.
It's true.
And if you're afraid, maybe Idon't know, maybe I'm afraid to
let it rip.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Isn't that such a weird thing, though, to be
afraid to let it rip when itdoesn't?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
actually matter And it doesn't matter, it's just
dumb tennis we're having funwith Exactly, and it's funny, i
tell my wife all the time that Ijust have to care less.
Yes, it's true, and when I do,i do so much better, and it does
depend a little bit on who Iplay with.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
But if I just go and you know, we're just gonna.
That's why honestly, i think Iplayed better with our group
because we've all beaten andlost to each other to a certain
degree And it just it doesn'tbother me you know to win or
lose.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
So it's not a nervous thing, it's a I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I'm less nervous than I used to be, you know.
It was it might have been athing a ways back, but I don't
feel nervous now, no, But whenyou say confidence, you mean in
your own strokes.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's not a.
It's not a.
You're not looking across thenet and trying to see who's
better me or you.
You're saying I'm not confidentin my.
Am I gonna hit out?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, that kind of thing.
So I find myself, you know,like I say like just get it in
and I won't do the right strokeAnd you know I've been loosening
my strings.
So if you don't commit to thestroke, it's just gonna like
boing.
And I, how many times have Ijust kind of pulled off a stroke
and off the ball goes and I'mlike, ah, what just hit it?

(31:09):
Hit it like you're supposed to.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Which is what I think I was gonna mention a few
moments ago and I totally forgotto add this in which is I found
that the second I led up on aball, it floats out Exactly, and
I used to think, if I I justwanna get it in right, and then
I didn't understand why is itflying?
But you know, and when I trustit, fully, trust it like, swing

(31:37):
out right And just try to coverthe ball and put topspin on it,
then that's when I'm hittingbetter.
Yeah, and it's almost a reallyeasy thing.
That's hard to do.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I think I might be on the brink of just.
I mean it can't get worse.
In a way.
I mean I'm not really thathorrible, but just the results
aren't there And maybe I'm toointo the results and now I
should.
I think I'm close to just andit's because, largely, i've been
drilling a lot and I've beenhitting a lot of balls.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know more than I used to.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
At least.
I just wanna play all the time.
I only wanna play And that didokay for me.
But you know, now with thisdrilling, maybe it's just it's
gonna be like an epiphany, youknow Like, oh yeah, just do that
.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
But that's a really good point, because I go through
little spurts of I'm justtrying to go through lessons,
i'm actually trying to likelearn more, but I'm not playing
enough.
And then I go through spurtswhere I'm playing all the time
Right And I realize I need acombination of both, because
just last month I took sort ofthree hitting friendly lessons

(32:43):
from three different people juston serves.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
And honestly, i haven't done that in years,
right?
So if you get up there you hit,it's almost like I don't even
know how the analogy I don'tknow Like maybe it's just like a
drive, like you just hit andgolf or something like that,
right.
And so I didn't really thinkmuch of it And I'm like no, i'm
not getting the free points onmy serve like I need to.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
So I took a lesson from Joe Jr.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Lesson from Gerald and a lesson from Maybe.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Doug or something.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Maybe it was Doug Thought it was someone else, but
yeah, probably Doug And threedifferent perspectives on the
serve, and they all gave metheir little hints of something
I'm doing wrong or something Icould tweak.
And now my serve is like 10miles per hour faster, which?
is a huge difference.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, And it feels a lot smoother.
And I would just realize andI've been neglecting it for like
two or three years I haven'tdone a a serving lesson.
Even I do a lot of lessons,Right, And I haven't.
We'll get up and do fiveminutes of serves or something a
a step in or do, but I haven'tdone a true serving lesson
because they're boring, Right,You're not sweating.
All lessons are boring, I think.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
But you know what I?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
mean Sometimes the lessons, like let's just go out
and work out Yeah, you know whatI mean.
Like get a sweat, get yourheart beat up.
But this one, you're juststanding there for a serving
lesson.
It's totally and you feel likeyou're just wasting your money.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Not to mention it probably hurts too, that's true,
and you'll have a hurt shoulderafter.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Exactly, but it was.
It was huge for my game Causenow, even just last Saturday
when I played, my friend Mikewas like man, there's a lot of
extra miles per hour on yourserve And I was like, oh, i'm
glad he said that, cause I was.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I didn't really realize it And you know, I'm
like I'm gonna get my feet backthere, That's nice to hear after
actually putting the time.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, and you know how it goes.
What a difference 10 miles perhour is Like you, don't think it
is?
Yeah, but that's the differenceof being on time versus being
just the millisecond late kindof thing Yeah absolutely Yeah,
and then you're screwed.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
You know and you're always feeling defensive, like
you know, if you've ever playeda person who hits just that
little extra harder that you'reused to the aggressive one.
You're not dictating the point.
You know and you're just alwayssort of on your heels?
Absolutely, yeah.
But yeah, that's a good point,because I mean, when we get this
age I think we have there's atendency to just play all the

(35:10):
time, right, do you think so?

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Absolutely.
Like I said, I don't want todrill And I'm so happy to have
Brad live down by me And he's onthe island with me And so we
have no one else and he's agreat player And so I love that.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
How old is he?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
He's your age probably.
No, no, he's 48, I think.
Okay, So a little bit older.
But yeah, he's like this iswhat we're doing.
I'm like, all right, if I'mgonna play with him, I have to
drill, And so that's what we do,and it's great, i need it.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
So does he bring out a bucket, or you just go Oh cool
, oh wow.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
I mean, like I said, he's got pedigree.
He's a great junior and greatstrokes.
He knows it all, I really.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I'm lucky to have him down there with me, and wanting
.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
the default is to hit with me, So it's nice that we
get to do it And I think I'll bebetter for it.
Maybe not I'm not there yetbecause I gotta apply it But
when we're drilling and I'mhitting and it's better hitting
than I've done in a long time Ihaven't seen you playing well,
No.
I know, but maybe on theMondays you might go.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Right, yeah those strokes look a little bit better
.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I've always thought your strokes are really good.
Actually, i thought you relieda little too much on the slice.
You know that's a great exampleLike now I'm backhand wise.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
I You know, make it more of a point, especially in
drilling.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I'll try to come over everything, and Because I think
I have the slice if I need it.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, but, yeah, but I'm, i'm.
That that's the one thing Ithink probably I've translated
to playing a little bit more.
I mean that that Coming overthe back end is now In the
repertoire as you know so yeahit's.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
You know, we're getting there.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I guess it's slow.
Maybe I just expected to be Allone something overnight kind of
in the this gray area right now.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
And maybe good things are coming.
I like to think, but yeah butwe'll see.
Well, we got a hit soon, Like Isaid.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I haven't seen you, man.
We haven't been to a Mondaynight together in a while.
Probably.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I keep missing each other, but yeah, well, we're
gonna hit tonight, but you gotthe high profile case.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I don't want to talk about that, All right.
but yeah, I got home too late.
Well, we'll hit.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I'll definitely hit some time.
Have you been hit with Mike?
Mike Deegan, no, uh, vic.
No, he's not a ton, he's hasn'tbeen hitting.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Huh, yeah, he's like in and out with With some of his
issues.
You know we still got kind of abum shoulder and yeah, to risk
thing too.
I think yeah, So you know, Imean he's he's so active and you
know he's like big into biking.
His yeah, just like he jarsyour body around.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
So I told you I went out biking with him, right, did
I ever tell?

Speaker 3 (38:10):
you that story.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
What do you even call that?
is it a?

Speaker 3 (38:14):
mountain biking.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I don't know, i couldn't think of it.
Yeah, that was a just a crazyexperience.
And then my brother-in-law wentwith us.
So it's my brother, me and mybrother-in-law and Mike and I
literally went out with my Idon't want to exaggerate I think
.
I think I bought my bike fromWalmart I Don't know, i'm not
joking around probably 400 bucksfor something like that.

(38:36):
It was target.
I don't even know.
They had five, six thousanddollar bikes with shocks and
he's, he's up there.
Yeah, he's like It high level,yeah, and so we went down this
thing that they claim was not abig deal, and so was it back in
grue ranch.
Honestly, i don't even remembernow.

(38:57):
I probably blocked it becauseit was.
It was a very bad memory.
This is not an exaggeration,pete.
We were going, i was so scaredI hit front brake and back brake
and it would not stop.
I would just going with bothbrakes on and I didn't want to
let go because then we wouldjust keep speeding up.
So I was both brakes Fully andI guess that's really bad,

(39:19):
because I probably would haveflipped or something who knows.
And I'm trying to stop and Icouldn't, and they're just fine.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah, yeah, taking little jumps and landing, i may
one up you there because I wenton a run with Mike and, yeah, i
went over the handlebars.
Oh, you did Oh yeah, but youknow it's right.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think it was right.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
During COVID, i think probably we did a lot of weird
stuff and I was riding bikes alot and I had to, even a bike
than you did, and Although thatI was riding one of Mike's when
I did that there, but I think Iwent over the handlebars on my
own bike like four times during.
COVID, oh my gosh like intolike soft, soft dirt, soft rocks

(39:57):
.
No, i don't think I ever gothurt doing okay like you know, I
had a judo class once incollege and you knew how to roll
.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, you gotta got the roll down So you know it's
funny about that.
You said one of Mike's bikebecause at the end I Think they
just can tell I was not veryhappy with with what was going
on.
They let me try one of theirbikes.
Or my brother-in-law did and Mybike.
If I went over like a littlehole this big, i would His bike,

(40:25):
i would go over a hole this big.
I don't, i didn't feel it.
That big fork shock.
Yeah, i was just right, it was.
Oh my gosh, the bike makes theman Say that I.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Don't know, it was COVID.
Covid was crazy.
You know we I'd never reallybiked and I never Walked all
this stupid stuff that we didfor workouts, which a lot of
which I still kind of do.
Yeah, i walk, i do bike, but Ihave an e-bike bike now, oh, you
have any bike, it's a littleeasier.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
No, pedaling, that's not exercise Well, I.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
You can pedal, but you don't.
I don't pedal up the hill, butI tell you don't know and Level
you know yeah, but okay, it getsme bar-to-bar.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
How much was that sucker?

Speaker 3 (41:16):
It was a cheap China one, so it was only 1200 bucks,
yeah, so I'm like, okay, that'snot bad three years, it's still
working.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
It is even though.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I've crashed a couple times.
How'd you?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
crash it.
You don't want to know, really.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I don't want to hear about yeah alcohol related.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
No, never mind.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Let's not talk about it.
A couple of broken ribs, oh mygosh.
Yeah, every story, any personthat tells me they ride a bike,
they will ultimately tell methey broke something.
Wrist ribs I've never, nevermaybe a mountain bikers?

Speaker 3 (41:51):
People don't generally do it just riding down
the street.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
I don't know.
I think we're at that age wherewe're just gonna fall.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
It's funny.
quickly I went on a bike tourin Europe with my family, you
know, before COVID, and we rodefor like a week you know 25, 30
miles a day and I got home and,like the next week, i took my
bike out, not my e-bike just abike, yeah, phil, yeah, right
into a succulent.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Happily, i didn't get her, that's all.
Luckily not a cactus.
Wait, where did you ride it?
You said in Europe, yeah wewent from Prague to Dresden.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Oh wow, elbin, or the Voltava and the Elb rivers
pretty cool, Oh my gosh and thenwe're doing a Croatia in a few
months.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Oh my gosh, my wife and I, but some friends with
bikes, or just.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
You know this one is a boat and Bike.
So the boat takes you, it'sthrough the islands of Croatia
And then.
So the boats are stowed on theair, the bikes are stowed on the
boat and it'll take you to theport.
You get on your bike rightaround the island of the boat,
comes around and meets the nextplace And that's where you stay,
so should be fun.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Why bikes?
I don't.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
I'm not quite understanding this, i just think
that the experience that we hadin Prague was great, you know,
you, just it's a little bit moreThere's the people, here's the
stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's a little bit more hands-on, kind of so this
is through towns, or like Yeah,literally back trails, no towns.
Oh, okay, so you stop havelunch and oh, that's cool and
stuff and we have.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yet we had guides on this one that you know.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
That That's where you know this happened.
Yeah, you know, they're up ontheir history and it was really
interesting, really interesting.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Okay, that makes sense, i do recommend for anyone
wondering about vacation ideas,that's pretty neat.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, there's a lot of that.
Sounds totally cool.
Yeah, and you said just you andyour wife, are you going with
the kids?

Speaker 3 (43:40):
on this one It's my wife and I, and then another
couple, another Air Force.
Buddy okay so yeah, should befun, i'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh my gosh, that's so cool.
Wow, well, let's bring it homewith.
I need something else good withtennis, let's think.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I'd like to.
I got one.
Okay, how about team management?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
team management.
Yeah, okay, so captain's outthere and okay so You know I
hearken back to our nationalnationals team, yeah, and which
is obviously the highlight ofour life because we keep talking
about, like Al Bundy talksabout his high school football,
right.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
So the team was stacked and the lineup was
generally kind of set, with theonly Kind of ins and outs were
usually the number three doubles.
Occasionally you get a coupleguys up at number number two,
yeah, and so I bring it upbecause my wife, her team, just

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went to sectionals too and Iguess the overall Conflict maybe
not really conflict, but somepeople want to go out and have
fun and other people want to goout and win.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Now for our team.
There's no question that teamwas built to win you know, and
for me, you know, being probablyone of the bottom guys on that
team, you know it was easy tosee, it was in our team, it was
easy to see.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
But you know, you mean like the hierarchy of
players.
Yeah, okay, so, but But it'stough.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
It's tough like I got to do captain for a season.
Okay, Joe took his break.
Yeah, and You know it'spolitics.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, the politics is tough.
And then, who to put together.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
And There you know, especially talking to my wife,
like who should play together,who wants to play together?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
That's true.
Who's?

Speaker 3 (45:43):
there to have fun.
Who's there to want to win?
Yeah, and It's.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I guess I just I don't know what the point is,
but there is that I think youknow USTA is for for all these
people to go out and and competeor have fun or do what they
want to do, but It's a it's athing that People should take
into account and maybe, when youjoin a team, realize what

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you're getting in for or in with.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I don't know if a lot of people do, because I've been
lately kept Captaining mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
I've got a word.
Yeah, okay, I'm gonna be sureThe 5-0 team.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Yeah, and it's been a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Plus, you know just getting people to play you too.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
That's what I mean.
Obviously, i love all the guysthat are with us.
Other issues, Yeah, yeah buteveryone you know, because it's
at the age where we do it forfun, for exercise.
We got other real stuff goingon.
We got families, we got kids,we got parents, we got to take
care of you know all this stuff.
And then it's like oh, no onecan play this weekend.

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And then the other captains getmad at me.
It's like what do?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
you want me to do, i can't.
Well then they want you to notsign up.
I guess that's what.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
That's what ends up happening.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Well, yeah, sometimes they get a little mad.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
And it makes sense, though, because there's all
these problems with defaults.
I've learned all this stuff toobehind the scenes.
It's like you can't.
You know You obviously can't bemaking up scores and making up
matches, but you got a defaultand then you got to attempt to
make up matches.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, because you can't just say default, you have
to do your due diligence, likethere's this whole rule much,
then the Section will get downon your team or just qualify, or
you won't be able to haveanother team.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, next go around.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I mean it all.
It all matters some, but youknow as far as The makeup of the
team, you know, everyone wantsto have fun, everyone wants to
compete, i think.
But I think most people stillwant to win too.
So yeah, it's hard to manageall that you know like, yeah,
it's impossible.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Like I think the only answer is what's that movie?
Dodgeball war game, dodgeballwar games, war games.
Remember the end.
The computer said the onlycorrect Is to not play is to not
play.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
All right, you've heard it here, Yeah ladies.
Oh, you tennis people don't.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Well, i think the answer I was trying to get is
don't captain, just play?

Speaker 3 (48:11):
there's two, and so what?
I guess we could also say thatwe've learned to appreciate the
captains that we've had.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Keith, joe, for us, you don't realize how much the
captain has to do.
It's a lot of work, yeah, yeah.
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I guess my point is that there's a lot of
appreciation to get into thatAnd there's a lot besides just
putting names to yes, hey, areyou available calling people?
It's, it's, it's managingPeople's Expectations and what,
what they're supposed to begetting out of the whole thing.
Yeah Well, that's true too,because part of it is people

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want to play certain positionsand then you know, you guys,
people who, like I'm playing,i'm gonna play number one or I'm
not gonna be on your team.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, there's a lot of conflicts, you know, yeah,
out there, and and uh, i canprobably write some sort of
script for a drama.
Actually I brought it up but Ithought maybe there was there
was a right answer.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
But I don't know one anymore.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
But I guess everyone out there be aware that yeah
everyone might have differentExpectations than you know for
what.
what this team's about?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah, I think no, you're right, though I think the
whole point of thisconversation is Some the people
who only play, who've nevercaptained, don't really realize
how tough it is to captain.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
We'll take.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I think that's a good point Okay, yeah, say that
because you did it and you knowhow different it was when start
everyone wants something fromyou.
No, the assistant captain andanother.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
I had to work a work of remit, like a rain delay once
.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Oh, that's tough, but yeah, yeah, but every week
someone wants something.
Yeah, other people can't playsomebody might go.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
I don't want to play with him, or yeah, I'm like well
.
God, you're the only two and Idon't want to break You know and
I'll yeah, i'll only play withthis, yeah, i won't play that
person.
Yeah, but I'm finding is itmight be.
Do I dare?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
say a little worse in the women's game than ours
men's.
Oh, women's is worse than men's.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I think it's.
I think it is why I can tellfrom you know Did you know
Amanda from the tennis club?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, because she was on the podcast, she, she talked
about it a little too, and andthen, obviously, my wife's been
Joining the three Oh she's athree-oh and she's been joining
the three-oh leagues and thensome three fives and And yeah, i
mean, it just seems I don'tknow, i don't know which one's
worse.
To tell you the truth, i Don'tknow.

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Well, it doesn't sometimes likehappen like that.
It's a tough thing, yeah, imean people want to.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
If people want to win , that's true.
And if people want to have funand don't care about winning,
then there's gonna be a conflictand so, yeah, maybe a good
captain, can you know work that?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
out.
I guess I take care of thatYeah.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yeah, that wasn't necessarily the case for us and
our team.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Well, no, i remember there were some issues, right, I
mean, let's be real, like therewas some.
We all went on that triptogether, which was fun Arizona
and then you.
Actually probably you you andMike played one match, or did
you know?

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I did, but I was also injured.
So yeah, like I didn't complain, no, but it's no.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I have anyway, i don't know.
It's tough to go and then belike, oh, i'm not playing or
something, not necessarily plan,or I'm an alternate.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, you know but you know you, you
had your time in the Sun withthe team.
Yeah through the lead, throughleague and then through
sectionals.
Maybe you Contributed, yeah youwant to but you know, i think,
the higher you like.
If you get to nationals, ithink you go to win, and so yeah
, i don't know anymore, becausenow it's like We lost anyways.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Maybe it would have been better if everyone played
and had an experience.
You know what I mean.
Good point.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, or, like you know, if we're out of it, hey,
you and I should play, that'sright.
And why play again with with?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
your guy.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Maybe we win, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, so you know, some of those things might come
up or whatever.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, you know, it's just.
It's just Just things that areout there that, yeah, nobody
seems to ever talk about.
I thought I bring up and Messup your podcast.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
No, no, that's totally true stuff.
Trust me, i think about thisstuff all the time And I always
try to put in the perspective ofon my deathbed, like that's how
I think of things.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Oh, on my deathbed.
And then I Think of something.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I don't know.
If you ever think this way,it's like no one's gonna care
who won.
Oh right, right, kind of thing.
Yeah right, i just want to.
I'm I'm trying to take it tothe extreme of like, like at the
end of my life right.
What am I gonna be proud of orhappy with?
or you know, happy Iexperienced and no one's gonna
care if you won The nationals orwell, you know what do you

(52:54):
think?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
It's hard to say.
Here's what I will say, though.
If nationals are on the lineand We're in.
The finals then, maybe on yourdeathbed.
You could go out and wonnationals in 2018 or 19,
whatever.
But maybe if it's done Andyou're not gonna win nationals,
then maybe you're like rememberthat day I got to play with Pete

(53:19):
in the Nationals, but that'swhat I'm saying, because yeah
it's like it's.
It's hard your funeral.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, we're talking about your death now, pete.
I had your funeral.
Someone might say Pete won thenationals, but I think less
people will be there.
More people will be there whengonna go from three down to two,
I guess Yeah yeah, more peoplewill be there with.
They enjoyed the nationals withyou.
Yeah, do you know, i'm sayingright, and then they'll talk

(53:47):
about you that way.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Well, i did get the RBO for the team, so oh, you did
out there.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Yeah, man, that was amazing place.
Oh my gosh that pool.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
It was so fun.
Yeah, it was yeah it was, thatwas.
That's a great memory for me,yeah, and I think most of the
guys that you've you know aroundthe team that they talked to
you know we got to do.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
There's a tournament coming up in LA Played at the
galaxy.
Maybe your daughter knows it orsomething.
I still don't understand thethe stadium there.
Is it the galaxy?

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Where do they have one?
they play at dignity, i think,field and That's in LA.
Well, there's LA FC.
They have another Team therethat I don't know, what the name
of that stadium?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
But did you hear about that exhibition tournament
?
Curios is playing Tiafo.
Yeah, i think it's late July.
We got to give everyone to go.
I have no clue why I'm bringingthat in right now, but it's
somehow related.
As you like to hang with us,that's I'm saying.
I think that's what it was,yeah, so I think we should all
do that.
That'll be so fun.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
So can we just say, then, that The overarching thing
of this discussion is that it'sgreat to be with people,
like-minded people, fun people,that's right, and you that you
met because you have tennis incommon, yeah so it's so amazing.
So like I hate tennis most ofthe time, Yeah and then when I
come to Marietta on a Mondaynight and, yeah, play, and then

(55:12):
have a beer or two after, yeah,that's awesome, it reminds me
why I'm playing you know yeah,and go through all the pain and
I Always, i always tell thatstory, even on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Like there's like 20 of us on a text thread or
probably something like that18-19, 20 of us.
Like that's absurd.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
It is most of us, i think, in a good way probably.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
You know Muted.
Oh, that's right, i've heardabout that.
Yeah, you'll mute it.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah, that's why no one's really responding to my
jokes, or me and Tom, i checkthat thread at like nine, at
nine, like what did everybodysay all day?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
now I don't know, i see it, i see it.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
We stopped.
We stopped really Going crazywith that.
Me and Tom were texting way toomuch on that thing, i know, but
to the point it was just.
That's so cool.
Like to have that many peopletogether talking about fun stuff
And then.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
I gotta think that There's similar things
everywhere, you know yeah, thatpeople who are listening,
probably have their own.
Yeah, my brother plays in LAand I think he has a fun group
that goes beyond tennis, and soTennis is great for meeting
people.
It's a social game, you know,and and that's it's it's great.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
That's, i think, why.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
I play it It's.
it's kind of like all I haveleft to, though, but you know no
, i'm with you can't do some ofthe other sports and yeah, and
I'm done with this, it'll belike golf.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah, so here's the real question is pickleball a
more social sport than tennis?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I would say yes.
It is huh, i think for me it isbecause I don't You know what
pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
when I'm playing tennis and there's a pickleball
court behind me, those peopledon't shut up.
That's true.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Why is that?
Because it's social.
they're having fun, Oh okay.
I guess, that's a good thing.
Then I don't know, i've nevergone to a pickleball tournament.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Maybe they're a little bit more serious, maybe
they're all serious, sir, Butthese, I guess, because you're
so close, it's the proximity of.
I mean, I don't even know thelength of the court, but what
are you?
20 feet away, maybe less.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, it's basically half of a tennis court.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Oh okay.
So See, we don't even know thedimensions of a tennis court.
I'm gonna put you on the spotWhat's the length of a tennis
court, and then we'll checklater.
This is your time to guess.
You have to Give me feet.
As good as I am at trivia, idon't know this.
Oh, that's right.
Say You know what Before we getoff.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
We're gonna talk about jeopardy 100 feet, i don't
know God, i'm gonna sell it,i'm gonna go 80.
Well, you probably know, idon't know, i promise I don't
know.
At least you didn't say 99.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Oh, that's true, Like prices.
Right, it's just at 99.
Okay, we got a couple ofminutes before the hour's done.
Tell us about jeopardy,jeopardy.
Well this is a close story.
I don't like my tennis.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
I got my butt kicked, yeah, but you got on.
I was on jeopardy a few yearsago.
I was 2019, i think really Okay.
Four years ago And I thought Iwas.
So I went through the wholething, took the online test,

(58:12):
went in for a, and why did youeven start that?
It was just like a G-Wiz thing.
One of my Air Force friendssaid hey, you know, they have
this online test you can take.
So I think I took it three orfour years And this fourth year
I remember I was actually Tookit three or four years in a row.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
And so nothing.
The lore says that you have to.
It's a 50 question test and youhave to make 35 right to be
considered.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
And so never the first three or four, no dice.
And then I happened to be.
I was in Honolulu, believe itor not, on an airline layover
and I had this tiny littletablet with me.
I'm like oh today's the testAnd I log in, and I think I
missed the first question justbecause I wasn't logged in in
time And so maybe it justrelaxed me.

(59:03):
but all these questions poppedup and I'm like, oh my God,
shakespeare.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I know that one Like the one thing I know.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
And so it just all clicked And I got my 37 or
whatever.
It was that particular year AndI think that was like in
November, and then maybe a yeargoes by and I had totally
forgotten about it.
I was all excited for when ithappened.
But, yeah, a lot of time passedand all of a sudden I get a

(59:32):
phone call like hey, do youwanna come in for an audition?
Like yeah, Wow.
Cool.
So I went to Culver City.
Some hotel You have to liketake your clothes off and they
look no, i'm kidding, it's likewait.
What No?
So you just go in there, youtake another test and you play

(59:53):
like they have a.
it was like in a conferenceroom and they had to mock up
with a board or whatever andplay a little bit and they
interview you some more andpretend like you're on the show
blah, blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Ask you like oh so, just to see your personality too
.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, i think that's all it really is
A the test and then B thepersonality, and so I told them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I mean, i'll be honest with you Anytime I ever
watch a show.
I can't believe they're lookingfor personality That doesn't
make sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I agreed.
You know, one of my biggestregrets is I wasn't able to put
any personality to it when.
I was on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
So at any rate.
So I do all that and I feltpretty good about the test and
once again, months go by and Ihad completely forgotten.
And also down to the blue bringphone call and it's them and
like, hey, we want you to comein October.
Like I said I can't go, That'swhen I had that bike trip with

(01:00:54):
my whole family from the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I remember this yeah, so I said no, and they're like,
well, you're at the end of youreligibility.
So, I'm like well, sorry thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Well, keep me in mind , if it happens or if it can.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
And so again had forgotten.
And then I think, four or threeor four months later, they
called again and said hey, goodnews If you can come.
and I'm like, okay, i'll come.
So that was in, i think,february of 19,.
I believe Okay, and so off, iwent and did it all and I showed

(01:01:30):
up and did all the paperworkand while we're doing it, i'm
like sizing everybody up going.
I think I got this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
So everyone's like in a room together.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Yeah, all these, the people, and then, as it turned
out, the current champ walked inand which is that guy?

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
what was his name?
I'll tell you in a second.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
So I got, the producers who were running the
green room were like, hey, James, there's our champion.
Tell them how much you've won.
He's like about 1.4 million.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I was like is that the same guy?
who's?

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
also hosting Holzhauer.
No, that was Ken Jennings, But.
I think this Holzhauer guy justwon the master's tournament,
like a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
God.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Anyway, he's like the best or second best ever.
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
And you went against him And actually he's in the
green room.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
I'm like I can take this guy until he's like I have
one of 1.4 million bucks.
Then I'm like I think I'moutclassed, So yeah, off.
We went to the show.
They taped five a day and I wason the last day, So I got to
watch the first four games beingtaped, Okay.
I'm like, oh God, he's prettygood, he's as good as ever, he's

(01:02:39):
winning.
He used to be like you win 20grand or 30 grand and he's
winning like 80 or 100 grand pergame, wow.
And so, anyway, we break forlunch and I chatted with him a
little bit, you know, after thethird game, and I'm asking the
secrets.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
He's like you know just bring in if you know the
What is the secret?
Because if you remember fromwhite men can't jump.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Do you remember this one?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, Rosie Perez was trying out for Jeopardy And she
studied out of a book.
I don't know if it was like aJeopardy, like quiz book, or she
just was studying like anencyclopedia or like a I don't
know what she was studying.
Well, Is there anything likethat?
This?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
guy, James Holthauer, said his thing was to read like
kindergarten books, because itgives you that just on the very,
very shallow knowledge about alot of stuff which is basically,
honestly, that's kind of what Iam.
I know a lot.
I know a little about a lot ofthings, yeah, and so The jack of
all trades.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I know the buzzwords of a lot of stuff And anyway.
So he told me at lunch that hissecret is if you know the
answer to this buzz, in whichwas kind of who we?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
but Yeah, so anyway, so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
You know, two hours later, here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
And if you don't know the answer, don't buzz in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah, right, and so off we go, we start playing and
it's just a yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
What did you get that day?
Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
I got zero Cause I know you did not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I mean, I got points and I just And you blew it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Well, I bet it all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I mean, it was already a Oh at the end I was
already in the blowout, Yeah,And I was like I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
But at the first commercial break I leaned over
to him.
I go dude, come on man, what'sthe deal here?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So how much was he up ?
Oh, are you out, is your micout?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I think so, But oh, I think I can hear you good
, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Well, it's probably your ears, anyway, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Sorry, but yeah, he goes.
Like I told you at lunch, justring in if you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
I'm like.
I'm like, are we gonna go?
I go afterwards, though youtell me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
I go.
What's the secret?

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
And he didn't tell me I never got to talk to him
afterwards, Anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
so it was like 82,000 to zero.
I took third, but it was ablowout.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Wait, wait, just to make sure I understand you
literally had zero at the endWell, because I bet everything
Because you bet it all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
But what was the everything?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
But that was what I was trying to figure out.
What did you have prior to that?
I don't know, like five grandor something.
Okay, well, that's four, Maybesix.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
You know why that's respectful.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I shouldn't have even bet it all because Wait, but
you don't get to keep it.
I could have taken, second,third place gets a grand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Second place gets two grand.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
And so I could have played for a second, but I was
just So you got a grand?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I did, and he got taxed, i'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Oh yeah, I should have gone to work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I would have been a lot more, but You lost money
playing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Yeah, but it was a fun experience.
Oh no, that's so cool, I wasback with Alex Trebek, Yeah that
was cool, i think it was likehonestly, like a week later
after our taping that heannounced about his cancer, oh
yeah, which you could kind oftell something was a little
weird with him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
But What was his cancer?
again, what kind.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Pancreatic.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Oh, wow, yeah, tough stuff, oh man, but yeah that was
the thing I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
it was kind of a butt whooping.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
but Yeah, no, that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And met some cool people that I'm friends with
like on Facebook occasionallystuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Yeah, it was really neat.
Oh my gosh, that's so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I can't believe how poorly I sized everybody up, you
know.
Oh, i got that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
But I can't even imagine being there And I gotta
watch.
I've honestly never watched thefull episode of you.
I think I watched a clip orsomething I found on YouTube.
But I used to play with my dad.
We used to do it like at home,you know, and like, but if we
got, i think the winner wouldget like four for the night or
something you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Right Like that at home.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah, and so you would be horrible on the show if
you got only four.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Yeah, I just say that .
you know it was.
People say it's way differentthere.
I didn't find it superdifferent, I just wasn't fast
enough, you know, And nobodyseemed to be fast enough.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Do you think you knew some stuff that you?
Oh, I totally Really.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
So Are you lying?
No, no.
So across the soundstage whereyou tape, it are all the TVs
like you see on TV.
you know, like that?
Oh, they really are there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
That's really there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Okay, and then on the side of them are a bank of
lights, and so when Alex orwhoever, finishes reading the
question, somebody offstageturns on the bank of lights,
which signals you that yourbuzzer's now good Yeah.
And there's questions that Iknew three words into it, so all
I did was stare at the lights.

(01:07:22):
Oh, so you couldn't wait Andthey came on and I hit it and I
was still too late.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Oh my gosh, like several times, several times,
I've seen that many times wherepeople are like, yeah, i didn't
want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
I held my back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Oh, you didn't want to be that person.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Like, oh, look at me, Come on, i knew it Look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
So yeah, speed had a lot to do with that.
I'm not saying I would havebeat him now He knew way more
than I did but I would have beena lot closer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Maybe 81 grand to zero Instead of 82.
82.
What did he end up with?
Do you remember?
Like overall No with you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Oh, yeah, 82 grand 82 grand.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
That was a big, big payday.
I must have not been watchingwhen he was doing it, because
I've never seen anyone that high.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
I know He was in the hundreds a couple of times for
one show.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
That's crazy.
Yeah, you're right.
It was like 14, 15, 16K washuge.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
That's what I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Anyway, that was that experience, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Well, we've been going way overboard.
Pete, guess how long we've beentalking 110.
Oh my gosh, you must have aninternal clock on fire.
One hour nine minutes and 37seconds.
How did you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
I do have an internal clock.
That's one of my many, manyattributes, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah, I wish Jeopardy would have praised you for your
internal clock.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Maybe I could have put that into the buzzer and
maybe it would have workedbetter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
All right, Pete, so we're going to end here And my
wife's going to have a tough jobsplicing all this up.
But thank you, my friend.
Oh, I got to give this to you,Oh what.
And I figured.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Emma.
Oh Well, you know right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I mean, why not Emma?

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Emma right Star, that's huge.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
It's a pretty good card Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, that's Emiratikanu, obviously.
And then you know, i mean Ilike this card.
I bought a few Emma cards And Idon't know if you watch the
podcast, but I gave everyone apresent.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yeah, I appreciate that Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
So it's a cool card.
I like it.
Actually, It's my only one, SoI got to now go out and find
another one like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Well that's even more special.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, you're welcome, my friend.
But thank you.
All right, yeah, and let'sobviously talk and hang out
downstairs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Let's see if I can hit this ending song.
And thank you, my friend Wow R.
I love you R R, r, r, r, r, r,r, r, r, r R R.