December 19, 2024 • 21 mins
Facing the end of a chapter often stirs a whirlwind of emotions, and we're no exception. What does saying goodbye to almost two years of heartfelt conversations and camaraderie mean? We've poured our experiences and growth stories into creating 40 episodes, not shying away from topics like the challenges of menopause and the delicate strength found in vulnerability.
With deep appreciation, we reflect on the wisdom shared by our guests and the friendships that have flourished along the way. While leadership fatigue has, at times, been daunting, the laughter and connections we've fostered are the beacons guiding us toward future endeavors.
As we cast our gaze toward 2025, the joys of the holiday season remind us of the beauty in simplicity and the comfort of home. We've come to cherish the open spaces in our calendars, choosing intimate gatherings over bustling crowds and finding harmony in our introverted and extroverted tendencies.
Our excitement for the future is intertwined with plans for rest, decluttering, and meaningful collaborations with small businesses like Candlelit Forest and Desert Dreamers. Energized by the prospect of travel, relaxation, and indulging in more books, we are eager to embrace what lies ahead.
We thank our supporters and collaborators with heartfelt gratitude and wish everyone a joyous holiday season and an incredible 2025.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
your sass-tastic life with hosts trisha revis and
wendy frederico hello merrychristmas happy, happy holidays
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Jingle bells, jingle bells.
We should have just did a wholeslew of Christmas music.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yes, and we definitely aren't as festive as
we were last Christmas, butthat's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That is okay.
We've been busy, women, we'vebeen busy.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So this is our Merry Christmas to everyone, but this
is also our last episode.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It is we're wrapping things up, yep, but on Christmas
we're wrapping things up Nownot to say that if there's
something that you and I feelvery passionate about, or Jason
feels very passionate about that, you know we won't jump on, but
we, um, we're just in adifferent season.
Yeah, we're in a differentseason, I think, in a lot of
(01:09):
areas in in our life, my seasonbeing this fucking menopause
that literally can eat a bag ofdicks.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, I think there are a lot of women out there
that would agree with you onthat it's.
I think there's a reason,though, that we go through it
now, because I've done a lot ofpersonal growth and and I I
don't know that I could havehandled what this feels like 20
years ago.
Yeah, Like it's a yeah, we'vesaid it before.
(01:40):
It's kind of a mind fuck.
It is feeling like a strangerin your body.
It is, but my, my mind feelsbetter than it ever has so.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm not there yet.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You're getting there.
You're getting there.
I'm sorry, I'm not there yet.
I think we should just get towear crowns every day.
Oh my God, you like it?
You could just have a differenttheme crown every day.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that would be magical.
That would be great, that wouldbe magical.
So what has something?
What's been your takeaway withour podcast?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, I want to celebrate that we had 40
episodes, because most peopledon't make it past three.
No, so that's a.
That's a win.
That's a win.
You know, we had talked aboutit for so long and I think this
fact that we just did it yes,even when there are times that
we didn't want to do it, that weare tired, you know, I've had
my ups and downs with it I'mjust proud of us that we did it.
(02:31):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, put something outthere, and the people that have
supported us, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yes, so great it has been.
And the people that when we'vesaid you know that we're, and
the people that when we've saidyou know that we're, you know,
not going to move forward withit, are disappointed.
Yeah, I mean, you know what Imean.
I mean I'm so glad they didn'tsay, oh gosh, yeah, hallelujah,
you should have quitted episodethree.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, and if you think that we don't fucking care no,
we don't, no, we don't.
Yeah, so we don't need to hearfrom you.
No, we don't, we don't.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, we've had such great support.
Oh my gosh.
Yes, and the people that we'vemet, and just the, the guests
that we've had on, and theirknowledge I mean, amanda was
amazing, you know, but alongwith all of our guests, you know
, learned a little bit of um,bits and pieces.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yes, we love all of our guests.
We appreciate you.
Many people got very vulnerable, which you know it's not easy
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
No, it's not Well, you and I did too.
Yeah, you know there's beenlaughters and tears and yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah.
So I think my takeaway is justlike you regret the things you
don't do more than the thingsyou do.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
A lot of that too.
You know, my biggest thing forwas spending time with you and
Jason, I mean, you know what Imean.
And um, talking about, yes,there were times where it's like
, oh my gosh, I don't want torecord, but then you get here.
Yeah, don't be crying now.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's my oral therapy.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I know it's my exactly, I'm not supposed to
have this.
I know estrogen at 51.
No, exactly.
I was literally telling myselfall the way over here, don't you
dare cry, don't you dare cry,no, um, and you get here and we
just have great conversations,yes, and the energy is great and
the things that we've put outinto the world, making people
(04:26):
laugh and us laughing yes, youknow what I mean.
That's now more than ever.
Everybody's too fucking serious.
We needed that time.
We need to laugh, yeah, and youknow this isn't the last time
of you and I working together.
Exactly, my goodness, we haveother things planned, you know
what I mean.
(04:47):
Which is so, which is soexciting?
Yes, um, but not being the leadon it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Does that make sense?
Yes, let's talk aboutleadership fatigue.
Oh yeah, now you are outspeaking to the public a lot
more than I am, so tell me alittle bit about what you're
hearing.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, that's.
I mean.
That does make me want to cryactually is just the amount of
amazing leaders that are gettingout of leadership because they
don't, they don't want to leadanymore, they don't.
You know, I mean, this morning,on my way over here, I was
having a phone call with, youknow, one of my, one of my gals,
and she's like and she did notmean this in a bad way what
(05:31):
she's like?
Tricia, I'm not a mental healththerapist, you know.
She's like and I'm I'm dealingwith my own mental health and
she, she doesn't know anymorehow much more she can show up
for others, because right nowshe needs to be showing up for
herself and her family.
And you know, it's easier saidthan done.
(05:54):
I mean, this is someone thathas been in leadership many,
many, many years, yeah, you knowand someone that I just have so
much respect for, and respectthat, first of all, we were
having a very vulnerableconversation of how it is that
she's feeling, but she just saidI don't, I don't want to lead
(06:16):
anymore, I want to go to work, Iwant to do my job and I want to
go home and the rest of thistime that she has on this earth
really just focusing on herself.
Yeah, I feel that you know, andshe's you know and I'm like but
you've done it this this manyyears, you know, and she's like
(06:36):
but it's no longer healthy forme.
Yeah, it's no longer healthyfor me.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And just because someone is a good leader, it
doesn't mean we have to do itforever.
I think no, yeah, no, someoneis a good leader, it doesn't
mean we have to do it forever.
I think no, no, I keep joking.
I want to have a shirt madethat says I'm in my Wendy era.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, like I, just I, I I just want to take care of
myself for a while, you know,and I and I laugh because all
these networking groups that I'mgoing to and I love these women
, love these women, they're ahuge part of my circle, huge
part of your circle.
Yeah, you know, they're justlike.
I didn't want to come, I wantedto be home in bed.
Yes, tired of networking, Imean they're exhausted.
(07:19):
Yeah, I don't know how we'vegotten here, wendy, I mean I
shouldn't say that.
I personally feel like COVIDdid none of us any favors.
I agree, you know what I mean.
I truly do feel like it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I think it's twofold.
I think in one way it was good,because it made everybody slow
down and just not be in the ratrace.
It gave everybody permission torest.
It did so.
It was good for that, of course.
Then it just went too fuckinglong, yes.
And now, on the flip side,everybody has become an
(07:56):
introvert yeah or like I, I evenam feeling a lot more social
anxiety than I ever have.
I know, I I just start.
Yeah, I've never had that andin the last two or three months,
when I'm out with a lot ofpeople, even at a store, and
there's more people than usual,I just start feeling anxious.
(08:19):
But I remember the time duringCOVID when I would, I would go
somewhere and there were no carsanywhere but there was hardly
anyone in the store, yeah, so wegot used to smaller numbers and
now that there's bigger numbersagain, I just and I'm not, I'm
not one of those people that'slike scared to breathe germs, I
mean, not like that at all, butI just have a lot more.
(08:40):
Yeah, um, I've lost mytolerance for small talk.
Yeah, I just said that out loud.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well and I think for me it was I literally came out
of like a racehorse after COVID.
Does that make sense?
Like just balls to the walls,ovaries to the wall?
Yes, exactly, ovaries to thewall.
Thank you For three straightyears, right, and now it's
(09:09):
caught up with me, because Ieven have that.
I mean, there are many dayswhere I have huge empathy
fatigue and it's something thatI have to pray about a lot, yeah
, um, and leadership fatigue,and it's not me caring for my
team less, it's just I amfocusing more on myself and my
(09:31):
family and the things that Iused to be able to tolerate, I
really don't tolerate wellanymore.
And again, maybe that's themenopause.
I think it's a little bit ofeverything I really really do.
I think it's just a little bitof everything.
I agree, I do, I do, but itdoes break my heart because you
(09:54):
have amazing leaders that arestepping out of those roles.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And are there people ready to step in and take over
that?
It doesn't appear to.
Maybe from where I'm sittingI'm totally wrong, but it's like
time for the next generation toreally step up too, so I hope
they'll lead the charge, but Ithink they've also witnessed how
(10:20):
hard it is.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
you know, and everything that you deal with on
a daily basis.
Yeah, you know.
That's like when I've talked tomy kids about um, you know
who's going to take over thesalons, or you know what I mean.
Do this or do that and they'relike I'm out.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, which is fine, cause it's not for
everyone.
It is, yeah, correct, it'll betricky.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, but yeah, like you said, we're just in our own
eras right now.
Yes, you know what I mean?
Yeah, we are, and I, and that'snot a bad thing, that's, that
is not a bad thing whatsoever.
Yeah, whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I've had a lot of deep conversations one-on-one
deep conversations with peoplein the last few weeks, yeah, and
that has been so life-giving tome.
So I think that's it, like Idon't want to talk about stupid
shit anymore, I want to talkabout real stuff.
Yeah, exactly, lots of, lots oftears have been shed on our
couch out there, like.
But it's that to me.
(11:23):
I enjoy it's the basic weathertalk, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, and that's what I love so much about my job at
the SBDC and I think they myclients feel more comfortable
talking to me because I am asmall business owner.
Yeah, you know what I mean andthey've more than likely come to
me as a referral.
Yes, you know what I mean, orthey've known me from networking
or you know something like that.
(11:50):
So they do feel verycomfortable and I am very
vulnerable.
You're a translator, yeah,about what it is to be a small
business owner.
Yeah, I mean, you know what Imean.
It's fucking hard.
Yeah, it is hard, whether youlead a team or you're a solo
entrepreneur.
That's probably even harder.
Yeah, you don't mean it's justhard.
Yeah, it's not for the faint ofheart.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but I'm
feeling this huge it was.
Mother Teresa said if everyonewould sweep their own doorstep,
the world would be a cleanerplace.
Isn't that the truth?
And I think that's the otherthing that I'm worn down from is
everybody blaming everybodyelse for their problems and
everybody just nitpicking theshit out of other people and not
(12:35):
just focusing on themselves?
Yes, exactly so that that's gotto change, because it's too
easy to blame everybody else foryour problems.
And yeah, I'm excited to justfocus on myself for a while.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I'm excited to get a membership with Amanda.
Yes, I mean, you know we'll goget our breakfast, lunch and
dinner and just just hang outand get all kinds of services.
Jason, you coming with us, Justfloat get our blood oxygenated.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Seriously, sit in the sauna, I know, yeah, yeah, that
cold plunge I highly recommend.
I mean it's, it's great, andI've heard that it's actually
very, very good for mentalhealth.
Yeah, because it resets yournervous system.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and as we're talking about that
too, people need to be focusingon their mental health.
Yes, they do.
They really need to be focusingon their mental health and
taking care of themselves and,um, and their own wellness.
Yeah, so yeah, and we need tostart practicing what we preach.
(13:43):
Speaking for myself, I knowwhat Shit, what the hell, what
the hell you know?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
but it's true, as we head into this is the hardest
time of year for me, food wise.
Oh gosh, yes, dear, because youknow I've been working hard.
I'm kind of you know you'redoing amazing, going up and down
, but like boy, you, I makehomemade caramel peanut butter
balls.
Like I know this is so hard, Iknow, but I told myself I'm not
(14:18):
going to just not eat them, I'mjust going to allow myself to
have like two, because, if youthink about it, the first two or
three bites of anything is thebest.
Yes, after that, yes.
So I'm like I'm not going tolike, not allow myself to have
it, but I also am going to justsit and just, I mean, how many
times you just sit and allowyourself to smell it, look at it
(14:41):
just fully and then just walkaway.
Yeah, I don't need to have awhole bowl full of caramels,
which is easy to do.
Oh my gosh, and your caramelsare so good and I didn't realize
I didn't make them.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Last year I kind of got in trouble for that.
Oh, make extra.
This year, I will, I'll makeextra.
One thing that I was doing thisyear and I was actually doing
that this morning was looking atall the fun holiday stuff like
the Christmas lights and theChristmas open houses and all
that fun holiday stuff like theChristmas lights and the
Christmas open houses and allthat, and, um, really making
(15:21):
sure that I have those plannedbecause I enjoy them.
Yes, so not overbooking myselfin November and December.
Yeah, not over, I mean, becauseagain this week is ovaries to
the wall.
Yes, and um, you know, justhave to remind myself.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I know I find that I like when I see an open calendar
, I'm like why is it open?
Yeah, then I panic and think Iforgot something or something to
make it in there.
So I want to get used to anopen calendar being more of the
norm.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I've enjoyed being at home for dinner with my
family.
Yeah, honestly, you know I'mjust a lot more calm when that
happens.
Yeah, I am.
My home has definitely becomemy sanctuary.
Oh for sure.
You know what I mean.
(16:18):
It really has become mysanctuary, it has.
And like you said, that beingin crowds and just like I can't
do it anymore, wendy, I'm likewhat is happening to me, I know
I can't.
I can't do it anymore, wendy,I'm like what is happening to me
, I know I can't.
And do you think maybe it doeshave to do with some, maybe our
(16:38):
hormones, and I don't know?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I think I always thought, since I am not shy,
that that meant that I was anextrovert.
But I've learned that I'mactually an introvert that likes
to do extroverted things.
Yes, like I really do like tobe alone or just in very small,
small groups.
Yeah, so I think I just assume,since I'm not shy and I can
(17:03):
talk in front of people, thatthat meant I was an extrovert.
Yeah, so I think, even just inlearning and understanding
myself more, yes, has been likewho I am now.
Yes, not who I was.
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
So what are you excited aboutfor 2025?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
oh, my goodness, um, a lot more rest, honestly, a lot
more rest.
Yep, I really am plannedyeahanned rest, yeah, planned
rest Downsizing, and what I meanby that is, you know, cleaning
out stuff at the house.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know, if I don't need it, getting rid of it,
which I have really beendiligently working on that.
Even just taking one room at atime, I give myself five minutes
so I don't sit and waste or sitand think to myself, oh, I'm
going to use this.
You know, if I haven't used it,I'm getting rid of it, yeah.
Yeah, I mean my continued workwith the SBDC.
(18:05):
I love working with smallbusinesses, really focusing on
the team at Trixie's, creating avery, very, very strong team,
you know, mentally andfinancially.
Yeah, also, because I don'tcare what anybody says, those
two do go hand in hand.
Yes, they do, they do.
You can fight me until you'reblue in the face.
(18:25):
Yeah, I'm going to tell youthey go hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well, no matter who you are, whether you're a CEO or
you work at McDonald's, we allhave to worry about money.
Yes, I shouldn't say worry, weall have to deal with money.
Yes, so it's not something youcan ignore.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, and I'm very, very excited, you know, to see
what happens with CandlelitForest and Desert Dreamers.
Yes, you know, um, it feelsgood to be surrounded by
like-minded women yes, you knowwhat I mean Um that are wanting
to have the same mission and thesame goal, but, again, not
(19:06):
doing it by yourself.
Yes, not doing it by yourself.
Yep, that's a big thing for megoing into 2025.
I agree.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Um same thing I'm excited to just travel.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You know, hit the road do new stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yes, exactly, or not do anything, or not do anything.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, I mean more books that I haven't read, so I
know you have to get going, butthank you to everyone who has
supported us with our events.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes, um, yeah, Sponsorships, all this.
I mean it's so great and thankyou, Mr Producer.
Mr.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Producer.
He's doing a little dance formaking us look and sound even
better than we are exactlyexactly.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yes, yeah, but you know jason's going to be working
on some things too.
Yeah, I mean, you know what Imean?
He's going to help us with somestuff at trixie's and heart of
the Hairdresser.
Yeah, you can't get rid of us.
No, no, no, no, no, yes, that'swhy we'll always find something
else to continue to work on.
I think people know too likeit's a package deal.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Pretty much, so you'll still see us together.
Oh, yes, packaging.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Exactly Some very exciting packaging.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Again, for those of you who aren't watching, I'm
doing the Mr Burns finger thingyes, exactly.
Scheming and flopping, exactly,yeah.
Well, thank you everybody.
Have a lovely holiday season,yes, and take care of yourself,
oh gosh, yeah, and have anamazing 2025.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Bye, bye, bye.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I love it.
No-transcript.
your sass-tastic life with hosts trisha revis and
wendy frederico hello merrychristmas happy, happy holidays
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Jingle bells, jingle bells.
We should have just did a wholeslew of Christmas music.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yes, and we definitely aren't as festive as
we were last Christmas, butthat's okay.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That is okay.
We've been busy, women, we'vebeen busy.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So this is our Merry Christmas to everyone, but this
is also our last episode.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It is we're wrapping things up, yep, but on Christmas
we're wrapping things up Nownot to say that if there's
something that you and I feelvery passionate about, or Jason
feels very passionate about that, you know we won't jump on, but
we, um, we're just in adifferent season.
Yeah, we're in a differentseason, I think, in a lot of
(01:09):
areas in in our life, my seasonbeing this fucking menopause
that literally can eat a bag ofdicks.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yes, I think there are a lot of women out there
that would agree with you onthat it's.
I think there's a reason,though, that we go through it
now, because I've done a lot ofpersonal growth and and I I
don't know that I could havehandled what this feels like 20
years ago.
Yeah, Like it's a yeah, we'vesaid it before.
(01:40):
It's kind of a mind fuck.
It is feeling like a strangerin your body.
It is, but my, my mind feelsbetter than it ever has so.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I'm not there yet.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You're getting there.
You're getting there.
I'm sorry, I'm not there yet.
I think we should just get towear crowns every day.
Oh my God, you like it?
You could just have a differenttheme crown every day.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, that would be magical.
That would be great, that wouldbe magical.
So what has something?
What's been your takeaway withour podcast?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, I want to celebrate that we had 40
episodes, because most peopledon't make it past three.
No, so that's a.
That's a win.
That's a win.
You know, we had talked aboutit for so long and I think this
fact that we just did it yes,even when there are times that
we didn't want to do it, that weare tired, you know, I've had
my ups and downs with it I'mjust proud of us that we did it.
(02:31):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, put something outthere, and the people that have
supported us, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yes, so great it has been.
And the people that when we'vesaid you know that we're, and
the people that when we've saidyou know that we're, you know,
not going to move forward withit, are disappointed.
Yeah, I mean, you know what Imean.
I mean I'm so glad they didn'tsay, oh gosh, yeah, hallelujah,
you should have quitted episodethree.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, and if you think that we don't fucking care no,
we don't, no, we don't.
Yeah, so we don't need to hearfrom you.
No, we don't, we don't.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, we've had such great support.
Oh my gosh.
Yes, and the people that we'vemet, and just the, the guests
that we've had on, and theirknowledge I mean, amanda was
amazing, you know, but alongwith all of our guests, you know
, learned a little bit of um,bits and pieces.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yes, we love all of our guests.
We appreciate you.
Many people got very vulnerable, which you know it's not easy
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
No, it's not Well, you and I did too.
Yeah, you know there's beenlaughters and tears and yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah.
So I think my takeaway is justlike you regret the things you
don't do more than the thingsyou do.
How about you?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
A lot of that too.
You know, my biggest thing forwas spending time with you and
Jason, I mean, you know what Imean.
And um, talking about, yes,there were times where it's like
, oh my gosh, I don't want torecord, but then you get here.
Yeah, don't be crying now.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's my oral therapy.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I know it's my exactly, I'm not supposed to
have this.
I know estrogen at 51.
No, exactly.
I was literally telling myselfall the way over here, don't you
dare cry, don't you dare cry,no, um, and you get here and we
just have great conversations,yes, and the energy is great and
the things that we've put outinto the world, making people
(04:26):
laugh and us laughing yes, youknow what I mean.
That's now more than ever.
Everybody's too fucking serious.
We needed that time.
We need to laugh, yeah, and youknow this isn't the last time
of you and I working together.
Exactly, my goodness, we haveother things planned, you know
what I mean.
(04:47):
Which is so, which is soexciting?
Yes, um, but not being the leadon it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Does that make sense?
Yes, let's talk aboutleadership fatigue.
Oh yeah, now you are outspeaking to the public a lot
more than I am, so tell me alittle bit about what you're
hearing.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, that's.
I mean.
That does make me want to cryactually is just the amount of
amazing leaders that are gettingout of leadership because they
don't, they don't want to leadanymore, they don't.
You know, I mean, this morning,on my way over here, I was
having a phone call with, youknow, one of my, one of my gals,
and she's like and she did notmean this in a bad way what
(05:31):
she's like?
Tricia, I'm not a mental healththerapist, you know.
She's like and I'm I'm dealingwith my own mental health and
she, she doesn't know anymorehow much more she can show up
for others, because right nowshe needs to be showing up for
herself and her family.
And you know, it's easier saidthan done.
(05:54):
I mean, this is someone thathas been in leadership many,
many, many years, yeah, you knowand someone that I just have so
much respect for, and respectthat, first of all, we were
having a very vulnerableconversation of how it is that
she's feeling, but she just saidI don't, I don't want to lead
(06:16):
anymore, I want to go to work, Iwant to do my job and I want to
go home and the rest of thistime that she has on this earth
really just focusing on herself.
Yeah, I feel that you know, andshe's you know and I'm like but
you've done it this this manyyears, you know, and she's like
(06:36):
but it's no longer healthy forme.
Yeah, it's no longer healthyfor me.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And just because someone is a good leader, it
doesn't mean we have to do itforever.
I think no, yeah, no, someoneis a good leader, it doesn't
mean we have to do it forever.
I think no, no, I keep joking.
I want to have a shirt madethat says I'm in my Wendy era.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, like I, just I, I I just want to take care of
myself for a while, you know,and I and I laugh because all
these networking groups that I'mgoing to and I love these women
, love these women, they're ahuge part of my circle, huge
part of your circle.
Yeah, you know, they're justlike.
I didn't want to come, I wantedto be home in bed.
Yes, tired of networking, Imean they're exhausted.
(07:19):
Yeah, I don't know how we'vegotten here, wendy, I mean I
shouldn't say that.
I personally feel like COVIDdid none of us any favors.
I agree, you know what I mean.
I truly do feel like it.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I think it's twofold.
I think in one way it was good,because it made everybody slow
down and just not be in the ratrace.
It gave everybody permission torest.
It did so.
It was good for that, of course.
Then it just went too fuckinglong, yes.
And now, on the flip side,everybody has become an
(07:56):
introvert yeah or like I, I evenam feeling a lot more social
anxiety than I ever have.
I know, I I just start.
Yeah, I've never had that andin the last two or three months,
when I'm out with a lot ofpeople, even at a store, and
there's more people than usual,I just start feeling anxious.
(08:19):
But I remember the time duringCOVID when I would, I would go
somewhere and there were no carsanywhere but there was hardly
anyone in the store, yeah, so wegot used to smaller numbers and
now that there's bigger numbersagain, I just and I'm not, I'm
not one of those people that'slike scared to breathe germs, I
mean, not like that at all, butI just have a lot more.
(08:40):
Yeah, um, I've lost mytolerance for small talk.
Yeah, I just said that out loud.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well and I think for me it was I literally came out
of like a racehorse after COVID.
Does that make sense?
Like just balls to the walls,ovaries to the wall?
Yes, exactly, ovaries to thewall.
Thank you For three straightyears, right, and now it's
(09:09):
caught up with me, because Ieven have that.
I mean, there are many dayswhere I have huge empathy
fatigue and it's something thatI have to pray about a lot, yeah
, um, and leadership fatigue,and it's not me caring for my
team less, it's just I amfocusing more on myself and my
(09:31):
family and the things that Iused to be able to tolerate, I
really don't tolerate wellanymore.
And again, maybe that's themenopause.
I think it's a little bit ofeverything I really really do.
I think it's just a little bitof everything.
I agree, I do, I do, but itdoes break my heart because you
(09:54):
have amazing leaders that arestepping out of those roles.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And are there people ready to step in and take over
that?
It doesn't appear to.
Maybe from where I'm sittingI'm totally wrong, but it's like
time for the next generation toreally step up too, so I hope
they'll lead the charge, but Ithink they've also witnessed how
(10:20):
hard it is.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
you know, and everything that you deal with on
a daily basis.
Yeah, you know.
That's like when I've talked tomy kids about um, you know
who's going to take over thesalons, or you know what I mean.
Do this or do that and they'relike I'm out.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'm out.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, which is fine, cause it's not for
everyone.
It is, yeah, correct, it'll betricky.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, but yeah, like you said, we're just in our own
eras right now.
Yes, you know what I mean?
Yeah, we are, and I, and that'snot a bad thing, that's, that
is not a bad thing whatsoever.
Yeah, whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I've had a lot of deep conversations one-on-one
deep conversations with peoplein the last few weeks, yeah, and
that has been so life-giving tome.
So I think that's it, like Idon't want to talk about stupid
shit anymore, I want to talkabout real stuff.
Yeah, exactly, lots of, lots oftears have been shed on our
couch out there, like.
But it's that to me.
(11:23):
I enjoy it's the basic weathertalk, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, and that's what I love so much about my job at
the SBDC and I think they myclients feel more comfortable
talking to me because I am asmall business owner.
Yeah, you know what I mean andthey've more than likely come to
me as a referral.
Yes, you know what I mean, orthey've known me from networking
or you know something like that.
(11:50):
So they do feel verycomfortable and I am very
vulnerable.
You're a translator, yeah,about what it is to be a small
business owner.
Yeah, I mean, you know what Imean.
It's fucking hard.
Yeah, it is hard, whether youlead a team or you're a solo
entrepreneur.
That's probably even harder.
Yeah, you don't mean it's justhard.
Yeah, it's not for the faint ofheart.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but I'm
feeling this huge it was.
Mother Teresa said if everyonewould sweep their own doorstep,
the world would be a cleanerplace.
Isn't that the truth?
And I think that's the otherthing that I'm worn down from is
everybody blaming everybodyelse for their problems and
everybody just nitpicking theshit out of other people and not
(12:35):
just focusing on themselves?
Yes, exactly so that that's gotto change, because it's too
easy to blame everybody else foryour problems.
And yeah, I'm excited to justfocus on myself for a while.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I'm excited to get a membership with Amanda.
Yes, I mean, you know we'll goget our breakfast, lunch and
dinner and just just hang outand get all kinds of services.
Jason, you coming with us, Justfloat get our blood oxygenated.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Seriously, sit in the sauna, I know, yeah, yeah, that
cold plunge I highly recommend.
I mean it's, it's great, andI've heard that it's actually
very, very good for mentalhealth.
Yeah, because it resets yournervous system.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and as we're talking about that
too, people need to be focusingon their mental health.
Yes, they do.
They really need to be focusingon their mental health and
taking care of themselves and,um, and their own wellness.
Yeah, so yeah, and we need tostart practicing what we preach.
(13:43):
Speaking for myself, I knowwhat Shit, what the hell, what
the hell you know?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
but it's true, as we head into this is the hardest
time of year for me, food wise.
Oh gosh, yes, dear, because youknow I've been working hard.
I'm kind of you know you'redoing amazing, going up and down
, but like boy, you, I makehomemade caramel peanut butter
balls.
Like I know this is so hard, Iknow, but I told myself I'm not
(14:18):
going to just not eat them, I'mjust going to allow myself to
have like two, because, if youthink about it, the first two or
three bites of anything is thebest.
Yes, after that, yes.
So I'm like I'm not going tolike, not allow myself to have
it, but I also am going to justsit and just, I mean, how many
times you just sit and allowyourself to smell it, look at it
(14:41):
just fully and then just walkaway.
Yeah, I don't need to have awhole bowl full of caramels,
which is easy to do.
Oh my gosh, and your caramelsare so good and I didn't realize
I didn't make them.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Last year I kind of got in trouble for that.
Oh, make extra.
This year, I will, I'll makeextra.
One thing that I was doing thisyear and I was actually doing
that this morning was looking atall the fun holiday stuff like
the Christmas lights and theChristmas open houses and all
that fun holiday stuff like theChristmas lights and the
Christmas open houses and allthat, and, um, really making
(15:21):
sure that I have those plannedbecause I enjoy them.
Yes, so not overbooking myselfin November and December.
Yeah, not over, I mean, becauseagain this week is ovaries to
the wall.
Yes, and um, you know, justhave to remind myself.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I know I find that I like when I see an open calendar
, I'm like why is it open?
Yeah, then I panic and think Iforgot something or something to
make it in there.
So I want to get used to anopen calendar being more of the
norm.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I've enjoyed being at home for dinner with my
family.
Yeah, honestly, you know I'mjust a lot more calm when that
happens.
Yeah, I am.
My home has definitely becomemy sanctuary.
Oh for sure.
You know what I mean.
(16:18):
It really has become mysanctuary, it has.
And like you said, that beingin crowds and just like I can't
do it anymore, wendy, I'm likewhat is happening to me, I know
I can't.
I can't do it anymore, wendy,I'm like what is happening to me
, I know I can't.
And do you think maybe it doeshave to do with some, maybe our
(16:38):
hormones, and I don't know?
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I think I always thought, since I am not shy,
that that meant that I was anextrovert.
But I've learned that I'mactually an introvert that likes
to do extroverted things.
Yes, like I really do like tobe alone or just in very small,
small groups.
Yeah, so I think I just assume,since I'm not shy and I can
(17:03):
talk in front of people, thatthat meant I was an extrovert.
Yeah, so I think, even just inlearning and understanding
myself more, yes, has been likewho I am now.
Yes, not who I was.
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
So what are you excited aboutfor 2025?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
oh, my goodness, um, a lot more rest, honestly, a lot
more rest.
Yep, I really am plannedyeahanned rest, yeah, planned
rest Downsizing, and what I meanby that is, you know, cleaning
out stuff at the house.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know, if I don't need it, getting rid of it,
which I have really beendiligently working on that.
Even just taking one room at atime, I give myself five minutes
so I don't sit and waste or sitand think to myself, oh, I'm
going to use this.
You know, if I haven't used it,I'm getting rid of it, yeah.
Yeah, I mean my continued workwith the SBDC.
(18:05):
I love working with smallbusinesses, really focusing on
the team at Trixie's, creating avery, very, very strong team,
you know, mentally andfinancially.
Yeah, also, because I don'tcare what anybody says, those
two do go hand in hand.
Yes, they do, they do.
You can fight me until you'reblue in the face.
(18:25):
Yeah, I'm going to tell youthey go hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well, no matter who you are, whether you're a CEO or
you work at McDonald's, we allhave to worry about money.
Yes, I shouldn't say worry, weall have to deal with money.
Yes, so it's not something youcan ignore.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, and I'm very, very excited, you know, to see
what happens with CandlelitForest and Desert Dreamers.
Yes, you know, um, it feelsgood to be surrounded by
like-minded women yes, you knowwhat I mean Um that are wanting
to have the same mission and thesame goal, but, again, not
(19:06):
doing it by yourself.
Yes, not doing it by yourself.
Yep, that's a big thing for megoing into 2025.
I agree.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Um same thing I'm excited to just travel.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
You know, hit the road do new stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yes, exactly, or not do anything, or not do anything.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, I mean more books that I haven't read, so I
know you have to get going, butthank you to everyone who has
supported us with our events.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yes, um, yeah, Sponsorships, all this.
I mean it's so great and thankyou, Mr Producer.
Mr.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Producer.
He's doing a little dance formaking us look and sound even
better than we are exactlyexactly.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yes, yeah, but you know jason's going to be working
on some things too.
Yeah, I mean, you know what Imean?
He's going to help us with somestuff at trixie's and heart of
the Hairdresser.
Yeah, you can't get rid of us.
No, no, no, no, no, yes, that'swhy we'll always find something
else to continue to work on.
I think people know too likeit's a package deal.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Pretty much, so you'll still see us together.
Oh, yes, packaging.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Exactly Some very exciting packaging.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Again, for those of you who aren't watching, I'm
doing the Mr Burns finger thingyes, exactly.
Scheming and flopping, exactly,yeah.
Well, thank you everybody.
Have a lovely holiday season,yes, and take care of yourself,
oh gosh, yeah, and have anamazing 2025.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Bye, bye, bye.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I love it.
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