June 7, 2023 • 33 mins
I need a friend who intercedes, and that’s the friend I want to be.
Kimber and Meghan talk about how intercessory prayer can become an integral part of your friendships, not just a sentiment you throw out. They also discuss the fatigue of interceding over a long trial and how to authentically invite intercession into your relationships.
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Kimber (00:09):
Hey friends.
Welcome to the, your sisterKimber podcast.
My name is Kimber Gilbert, andI'm so glad you're here.
Praying for your friends mightbe second nature for you or more
of a challenge, but intercessioncan be such a powerful practice
to grow our faith and strengthenour friendships.
I'm digging into this as myseries guest, co-host Megan
frable today.
As we seek to grow closer toJesus with the confidence that
(00:32):
growing with him will spill goodthings out into our friendships.
I pray.
Our conversation helps you growdeep, authentic friendships that
honor God and Dre, closer toDCIS the true source of
community in our lives.
Today.
I wish we could all grab asugary blended coffee, drink of
some kind and talk this out overa long walk, but this is the
(00:54):
next best thing.
I'm so glad you're here, friend.
Let's get started.
hello, Megan.
Meghan (01:05):
Hey, Kimber, how are you?
Kimber (01:06):
I'm good.
I'm
Meghan (01:08):
Good.
Good.
Kimber (01:09):
to, join you again, friends listening.
If you haven't been able to tuneinto our conversations yet, for
this series that we're doingthis summer, it's called Being
the Friend You Need, and we haveMegan Frak with us as our
special guest co-host forseries.
so Megan, if our friends haven'tlistened and don't know you yet,
what would you say is yourfavorite part of Summer?
Meghan (01:30):
Oh, hiking.
Kimber (01:32):
Okay.
Yes.
Which one are you?
What's, what are you like mostexcited to hike this summer, do
you think?
Meghan (01:39):
Oh, I'm actually hoping to get some new hikes in that I
haven't done.
Um, so There's one in Seward, sosewer's a couple
Kimber (01:46):
Ooh.
Meghan (01:47):
from us for those that aren't like local.
Um, it's the Harding Harding icefield, and I'm excited.
I really, that's been on my listto do, to hike up to where it
feeds all the glaciers in theKenai, uh, like fjords area.
So, um, it's, it's like a ninemile hike, uh, like out and
back.
So that's on my list.
So we'll see if the snow willmelt.
Kimber (02:08):
Yeah, that sounds really fun.
Absolutely.
It, well, actually, it soundsfun for you.
I probably wouldn't be able tohack it.
Um, but, but it sounds amazing.
Sounds
Meghan (02:17):
Yes.
Hiking.
What about you?
What do you wait,
Kimber (02:20):
Oh my gosh.
Um, well, it's kind of simple,but I'm really excited to do
flower outdoor stuff.
and so, I mean, obviously we'rerecording this a few weeks
before it's gonna actually air,and so we're just getting some
warmer days, this week, I feellike, and it's, it's got me
dreaming.
It's got me itching for some,some gardening,
Meghan (02:39):
know I love gardening, and hopefully when this airs,
you'll have them planted and
Kimber (02:43):
I know.
Meghan (02:44):
please, please.
Kimber (02:45):
Blooming and beautiful.
That's the help.
Well, uh, we are talking todayabout intercession, intercessory
prayer, and, friends, if youhaven't gotten to listen to our
first two conversations, um, thefirst one we kind of introduced
this, the idea of this series,which is just about like being
the friend that you need, likethe people around us.
They impact us.
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And so when we're looking atlike, who are our closest
relationships that are pouringinto our lives, um, we wanna be
intentional about who we'reallowing to speak our lives and,
who is kind of molding us andshaping us.
And so, um, we're just lookingat, in this series some things
that.
Can be important to that andthat can grow these, these deep
relationships with our closestpeople.
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and then last week we talkedabout prayer and just how that
relationship with the Lord, whenthat is like rich and deep and
authentic, uh, that leeches outinto all of our relationships,
um, because it's like an outflowof a relationship with him into,
those around us.
And so, uh, today, I forced uslast week to sort of not talk
(03:49):
about.
The side of prayer that isrelational, which is really the
idea of intercessory prayer whenwe're praying for friends, um,
for people in our lives, talkingto God on behalf of someone else
is this idea of intercession.
And last week I was like, we'llget to it.
We'll have a whole week to talkabout it because I feel like, at
least for me, I don't know aboutyou, Megan, I'm guessing this is
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true for you.
Um, I'm very relational personand so I feel like it's actually
easier for me to pray with otherpeople.
and I don't think that's likegood or bad necessarily.
I think we just, differentpeople have different, aspects
of prayer that they're morecomfortable with.
I know that's not true foreveryone.
I know there's people who arelike, no, like I get really
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nervous to pray with otherpeople or whatever.
Um, but what about you?
What do, do you feel like this,like praying communally and
corporately is.
More of a sweet spot or is itmore of a challenge for you?
Meghan (04:43):
I, I love it.
It's like one of my, favoritethings to do.
I would say that that's whereI've grown a lot in, because I
never had a problem praying forsomebody if it was like in a
corporate setting or, like itwas kind of expected,
Kimber (04:58):
hmm.
Meghan (04:58):
it's been more of a growth point for me and actually
more, I mean, it's been reallyawesome of in the moment like
when a friend is like, we'reprocessing something, be like,
Hey, let's just stop and prayabout it.
Like, for some people like, oh,but that's been, um, just to
have that intentional.
moment of like, wow, you're,this is really hard.
Or man, why don't we stop it orjust praise God for this and,
(05:20):
and do that.
Um, that's been more of like agrowth point for me, um, when
it's just maybe a conversationand, and taking that pause to
say like, Hey, can we, can Ipray over you?
Like, let's pray about it.
Kimber (05:32):
Yeah, cuz I feel like that's the aspect that's a
little more counterculturalmaybe is cuz like, you know, you
think of like corporate prayerin church or something like, oh
we're praying for someone who'ssick, like as the body or as
like a small group.
Um, that has never been superchallenging for me either.
I feel like that seems prettynatural.
Maybe it's just cuz I grew up indoing that.
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but I love that idea of.
You know, you're just talkingwith someone one-on-one and
you're like, Hey, like, let'stalk to God about this too.
Um, and actually doing it inthat
Meghan (06:04):
And doing it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I It's become such like,something that I love so much
that when I now like get off thephone with somebody, if I, and
they've like, we've talked aboutsomething, maybe it's happening
in their life, and I'll be like,man, I should have p like prayed
for them.
I will, I have called them backbefore and been
Kimber (06:21):
I love that.
Meghan (06:22):
should have prayed for you.
Like I should have done it.
I'm sorry.
Can we pray?
Like, um, and so I try, I can,like, I'll try to do that if I
didn't in that moment.
Like it's almost become likethis conviction
Kimber (06:33):
Mm.
I love that.
I've definitely been in thespot.
And I wonder if you have too, itsounds like where you, like say
you'll pray for someone and thenyou forget.
Meghan (06:43):
Oh, yes.
Kimber (06:44):
and that's something that I've been trying to grow
in, over the past years is, youknow, if I say that, I'll pray
for someone that needs to notjust be like a sentiment,
Meghan (06:54):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Kimber (06:55):
needs to be Action.
Um, like, so I was feelingreally convicted.
about, I think it's just like,In the church culture.
That's what you say.
Like
Meghan (07:04):
I'll pray for you.
Yeah.
Kimber (07:05):
something hard, that they're going through, you say
you'll pray for them.
And I was feeling so convictedbecause I felt like it was just
a sentiment, um, that I wassaying, and then I was actually
like not actually talking to Godabout it.
And so that's something that I'mtrying to grow in.
Have you ever struggled withdoing that?
Um, how did you like kind ofbreak out of that?
Was it just like praying in themoment together?
Meghan (07:28):
Oh yeah, I, that's actually something that I've was
also convicted of and still am.
Cuz it, it is, and I, and Idon't think, like my intention
was wrong of like, oh, I'll prayfor you.
And then not like I'm middle ofdoing dishes.
Like something, you know,there's a distraction that
happened.
But I got the same thing.
Like, I started feeling reallyconvicted of like, man, I'm
sane.
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Like that's, Prayer is sopowerful.
And when I am choosing not to dothat, and I say I am like, oh,
like that's not, I don't know,it just, it didn't sit right
with in my spirit.
And so, yeah, like, and it'lleven be like, This happened a
couple weeks ago, driving withthe kids and got a text message
about something while I wasdriving and I was like, guys,
let's just pray.
You know, and I didn't need togo into details with them, but
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just like, Hey guys, let's prayfor so-and-so.
Or, yeah, so trying to do it inthe moment or I've even like set
an alarm.
I've done that too.
Like where,
Kimber (08:18):
That's a great idea.
Meghan (08:19):
I probably take the amount of time to set the alarm
as would actually pray, but
Kimber (08:25):
but I suppose if you like want to pray more deeply to
set that for later.
Yeah.
Or at a time, like if someone'slike, I'm having surgery on this
time, like, I, will forgetfriend.
Like,
Meghan (08:38):
no.
Yes.
If it's specific, like I will, Iwill actually do that and set,
set an alarm of like when orwhen is your, yeah.
When is your surgery or when isOkay.
Yeah.
And I'll write it down orsomewhere
Kimber (08:49):
Right.
Meghan (08:50):
do that.
Kimber (08:50):
that even like comes into play in just the integrity
of our, in our friendships,like, You know, if I say that
I'll do something and then Idon't in just like casual life,
that might be kind of laughedoff as like, oh, I forgot,
whatever.
But like if I do that a lot inmy relationship, like, oh, I'll
text you back, or, oh, I'llbring this for you to borrow,
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or, oh, like let's do this.
And then you never do any ofthose things.
Your friendship is gonna feelthat, right?
Meghan (09:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kimber (09:19):
it slowly erodes that trust in your word.
I feel like.
In regard to saying you'll pray,I feel like it has even more
impact because then it's like, Ifeel like it erodes almost that
trust in like your spiritualbond as friends.
Like in being able to trust eachother with your prayer requests
and the things that are on yourheart.
If it's only ever lip serviceto.
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Those things of spiritualmatters, then I feel like I
would kind of stop trusting myfriend as much with those
things, cuz it would seem likeit was just kind of, something
they're saying.
And so that is, also animportant thing of it is like,
you saying that we'll pray forour friends and actually doing
it, can help to build spiritualintimacy even within our, within
(10:02):
our
Meghan (10:02):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I agree.
I wanna be that friend that whenwhen they say, can you pray for
me?
Like Megan's gonna do it.
Like, I wanna have that and itnot be like a lip service.
And I also think like, man,prayer, prayer is so powerful
and it can like do so manythings and it's pushing back the
darkness and bringing in theHoly Spirit like it is.
It is not something to just beflippant with of like, sure,
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I'll pray for you.
Like, it's just a toss away.
Like you are like standing in agap for someone in that moment.
Or like, there is such power inthat and like, I don't wanna be
someone that's just like, ohsure.
It's just a little,
Kimber (10:37):
right.
Meghan (10:37):
little
Kimber (10:37):
Like throw up thing.
Yeah.
Meghan (10:40):
Yes.
Yeah.
Like, this is serious.
And, um, so I, I definitelywanna be that.
Kimber (10:45):
Yeah, I feel like the time when I started to really
think about the importance ofintercessory prayer, cuz again,
I, I feel like I just grew upwith it around me, like, oh
yeah, you pray for each other.
but as a kid I feel like Ididn't really get.
That, until, as an adult Ilearned about how Moses in,
Exodus, how God is like sofrustrated with Israel after the
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golden calf incident when he'sliterally like just brought them
out of Egypt and.
He's like, okay, I'm gonna makea covenant with you.
Like, we're gonna get married,essentially.
And then, you know, Moses goesup the mountain to do that, and
then Israel's like, uh, 40 daysis a long time.
Let's do our own thing.
And God's so frustrated withthem that he's just like, you
know what, I'm gonna start over.
(11:27):
Like, I, like I'm done with youpeople.
And Moses, he interceed forIsrael.
And he's like, no, no, no, no,God.
Like, listen, these are yourchosen people, like these are
the people that you said youlove.
Like it would be against yourcharacter for you to do that.
And God is like, yeah, okay.
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You're right.
And he doesn't, he doesn't wipeout Israel.
And like when I learned aboutthat, Passage of scripture.
I was just like, whoa.
Like, God is moved by theprayers of his people.
And like the other one thatreally got me, on that same kind
of thing was with, Abraham andSodom.
Like, God's like I'm gonnadestroy Sodom.
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And Abraham was like, wait,wait.
If, if I could find like ahundred righteous people in the
town, would you not destroy it?
And he's like, yeah, I wouldn'tdestroy it.
Like, and then Abraham's like,well, maybe that was optimistic.
And he like keeps going down anddown and down and eventually he
gets to 10 and he is like, God,if I can find 10 righteous
people, would you, would youspare the city?
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And he's like, yeah, I would.
And then Abraham can't find 10righteous people but he, he gets
out his family, he gets out lotin his family and um, God does
judge that town and destroy it,but it's like, God is very open
to dialogue with his people andrespond to their prayers, is
what the narrative of scriptureshows.
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And so, man, when I startedlearning about that, I was just,
I was like, oh, like, you know,and it's such like a tension
between what does prayer do?
How does like, cuz it's not likea magic trick,
Meghan (13:04):
Right?
Yes.
Like, do I hold all the power oram I just praying to someone
that's already made up theirmind like, you
Kimber (13:10):
Right.
It's like, what is that middleground?
And it's such a mystery.
It is, but I think it's clearthat it does move the heart of
God.
Meghan (13:18):
Yeah.
But I think it also showsobedience and that's like when
the, with Abraham, like what heis like, I'm gonna be obedient,
like I'm gonna follow throughwith what I said I'm gonna do,
do the work.
You know, and God's watchingthat of like, yes.
So you're being obedient in thatand like, I'm gonna find this
righteous please and contendingfor that.
And so I really think a lot ofit is obedience and us doing.
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Being in the intercessor for ourfriends is really us showing
obedience to God and ourfaithfulness to our friend of,
I'm gonna stand here in the gap,you know, for you.
Kimber (13:49):
Because it is so relational, right?
Because it's like I, you know,you mentioned that obedience
because I feel like it's not somuch about God, like, About God
getting his way or somethinglike that.
It's like God wants arelationship with us.
And so if that's like in theMoses example, like that
relationship was broken withIsrael and that's what he is
upset about.
Right?
(14:10):
It wasn't so much about like, Imean the
Meghan (14:12):
He's like, guys, I literally put you through the
middle of an ocean and you havealready forgotten.
Kimber (14:16):
Oh man.
And aren't we so like quick to
Meghan (14:19):
We're so like that
Kimber (14:20):
yeah, I'm like Israeli, you guys are dumb, but, but I
know I do the same
Meghan (14:25):
but I'm the same way.
Kimber (14:27):
But it's like the one like Moses Abraham going to God
and saying no, like I do prizethat relationship with you and I
am gonna lean into thatrelationship and like, wow, look
how God honored that.
Like inspiring the lives ofpeople.
And so I feel like that is soencouraging to me in my
relationships.
Like, you know, I can't controlthe situation necessarily, but
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like you said, I can.
Obediently honor, like myrelationship with God and talk
to him about it.
And I think that's what he,that's what he really wants.
He wants us close with him.
And so that's a way to, to draw
Meghan (15:03):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And I, I love it.
I feel like it's so much thislike stake in the ground.
Like I always just imagine whenI think of intercessory prayer
of wearing that armor of God andbeing like, and step, taking
that step in front of yourfriend of like,
Kimber (15:20):
Yeah.
Meghan (15:20):
I got you.
Like, I don't know, I feel likethis warrior princess, like
that's, honestly, it's probablya little dramatic, but that's
kinda what I see as like this,
Kimber (15:26):
Yeah, no.
One thing that I always thinkof, I always think of in, um,
have you seen the Lord of theRings?
Meghan (15:33):
Yes,
Kimber (15:34):
of the Rings person?
Okay, so when Arwin Arwin hasFrodo in the first.
one, and actually, I, I read thebooks, but I slept through a lot
of it.
We listened to it on audio, sothis might not be the best.
But in the movie, um, Arwin hasFrodo on her horse and she's
like trying to get him toRivendale to heal him cuz he's
really sick.
And these, these like, uh,riders are coming after them,
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which are very much like.
Evil and you
Meghan (15:58):
evil and yes.
Kimber (15:59):
And she like crosses this river and draws her sword.
And she's like, if you want himcome and claim him.
And I always think about thatwith ancestry prayer, because I
feel like.
You know, we are like, inbattle, right?
And we're like contending onbehalf of our friends and like,
listen, if you want them, you'regonna have to like
Meghan (16:18):
To go through me.
Kimber (16:19):
em.
Right?
And yet I love also though, likethe way that I would adjust that
image is that it's not just melike standing out in front of
them, right?
Like it's Jesus standing infront of us and then we get to
like, Be like hiding behind him,but Like yeah.
yeah.
Like, you know, the, the little,the little sibling who's like
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kind of hiding and being tougherbehind their, their big sibling
who's they know is gonna reallydo the defending.
But, I love that image becauseit reminds us that we're in a
battle.
and that, you know, it's notlike Paul says, it's not the,
you
Meghan (16:55):
against flesh and blood.
Kimber (16:56):
Yeah.
It's the, the powers of thespiritual realm.
And, and so I feel like that isone, one way that, you know, our
ancestry prayer can feel morereal to us, even like the impact
of it.
And when we think of it in thosekind of terms, because we are so
familiar.
With like that dynamic of like,standing up for our friends, you
know, standing up and defendingour people.
Meghan (17:18):
Oh, I love that image.
I love that scene and that Iknow exactly what you're talking
about.
Cause I'm like, I always getlike, yes.
Yeah, that's, it's so, yes,that's it.
It's so true.
Yeah.
There is such a, Being able tostand in that gap for your
friend and because there's timeswhere I need someone to do that
because I can't do it formyself.
And so to have that personthat's like, I'm, I'm praying
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this over you when I don't havethe words for it, is like, like
I know God's got me, but I know,you know, my friends.
Like, I'll, you know, I'll saythat.
Um, so for those that don'tknow, like my mom has a, is
going through ovarian cancer andit came back and this year and I
kept telling people like, Iliterally felt like God, Like
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had me wrapped up in his arms,like I just was tucked into his
chest.
Like it was the craziest feelingof like the deepest heartbreak,
but you're just like, but he'sgot me.
But honestly, the second thingwas just that there was just
this army of people that, Imean, some that I didn't even
know that I knew were prayingfor, for me, praying for my
family.
it got me through it.
Like that's what really helpedme through was knowing that
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there's people going on, on mybehalf where, In the moment,
like, I'm like, I can't, likeGod's just getting my tears.
There's not a lot of wordshappening right now, but they're
able to do that and it, I don'tthink I could have gotten
through it,
Kimber (18:36):
Yeah.
Right.
That's such like the, beautifulpicture of community,
Meghan (18:41):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Kimber (18:42):
when we don't have the strength to hope or like the
capacity to keep praying or thesame prayer or just not even
knowing, you know, what to sayin those moments.
To know that we have peoplearound us who are.
Who are saying those prayersbecause they do have the
strength or they do have alittle bit of distance, but they
care about us so much.
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I think that that is soencouraging to know that we're
not, it's not like just us inthat
Meghan (19:08):
yeah.
We're not right.
We're not alone in that battle.
Yeah.
I love
Kimber (19:13):
I feel like, cuz I feel like, and I feel like part of
that, I mean this idea ofcontending, like we talked about
it before on the podcast here.
Just this idea of like being inthat long term kind of struggle.
And I think we can be in thiskind of, uh, a prayer walk when
we're in like a hard season thatisn't, Just like a one-off
moment, but we're kind of, we'repraying the same prayers and it
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just gets tiring.
Right.
And I feel like when we havefriends who will walk.
Along that long prayer journeywith us of like contending for
us in that battle.
I feel like that can really helpus to, to get through it.
And I'm interested to hear alsolike as a friend, like when, if
you're walking through that, ofcourse, like you're gonna
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experience fatigue I think inthat, in your prayer life.
But I think when we're.
Walking through these kind ofthings with our friends as well,
we can experience that too,where it's just like, you know,
like, I'm not seeingbreakthrough.
I'm not seeing change in theircircumstances, but we, you know,
how do we keep praying to theLord?
How do we keep contending, um,for our friends when like, the
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walk is long?
Um, have you walked through longseasons like that with your
people?
How have you gotten through it?
Meghan (20:25):
Yeah.
Um, I think leaning on eachother, and I feel like God's
been really gracious in thosemoments of when I'm, when I'm
weak, they're able to kind oflike, I got you.
And then they're feeling it andwe carry, um, you know, we've
got friends that are walkingthrough, Mar so marriage issues.
We've got friends going throughfertility issues, and there's
just this.
The season where it's just likewilderness and you're just this
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desert season.
Kimber (20:51):
Mm-hmm.
Meghan (20:52):
I think in those moments it's so easy to feel so far from
God that those prayers are justlike, where are you in that?
And I feel like that's when it'sso important that you have those
close people in your life thatare speaking God's truth to you
over and over and over and over,because.
I might not be hearing it formyself, but I, I need them to
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speak that.
And, you know, and I, I'm kindof going through it with my
family, you know, my family andour journey of like this long
game of like, God, like
Kimber (21:22):
Hmm.
Meghan (21:23):
what is the purpose in this?
Or what is, you know, and, um,it's hard not to question those
things.
Um, I don't know if I have likethe magic answer for it, of just
Knowing that I don't have,again, like not having to show
up perfectly for God.
That why?
And like, God, this sucks.
Kimber (21:43):
Mm-hmm.
Meghan (21:44):
Like he wants that.
He wants to hear that too, youknow?
And so the authentic, um,
Kimber (21:50):
One passage that really encourages me with this idea
when I'm like walking a longroad with a friend is, in Daniel
10, and it's like, it's whenDaniel is like, he's had this
vision and it's reallystressful.
Him out.
And so he's like praying aboutit, praying, praying about it,
and he's not like getting anyanswer.
And then eventually an angelcomes to him and is like,
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Daniel, like your prayer washeard from the first time you
started praying about it.
And we've been literally likebattling in the heavenly realm.
Against the forces of evil tocome and like, give you an
answer and re make, give youclarity.
And he says like that theybattled for 21 days against like
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the forces of evil to come andlike, respond to Daniel who, who
he is.
Like, I mean, Daniel's like oneof the, I would say preeminent
examples of like a bold prayerand consistent prayer life in,
in scripture and.
And yet he even struggled inthat way of feeling like he
wasn't getting any answer andthe fatigue of that.
But then knowing that like, youknow, God is already making
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arrangements to answer yourrequest, even if you're not
seeing that breakthrough andthat there's like, you're
battling like the forces of evilwhen
Meghan (23:05):
yeah, yeah, Yes.
And I think, yeah, knowing thatthere's more going on behind the
scenes than you.
Let's see.
And to trust God.
Yeah.
And then there's that verse.
Um, I think it's secondChronicles.
I couldn't give you the chapteror the, but the, the verse that
says, if my people call on myname, I will hear their prayers
and heal their land.
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And, you know, and it's, so,it's that reminder of just even
calling on his name.
Like there is, there's so muchgoing on behind the scenes that
they're not, it's not justfalling into.
The space and just floating upthere, like he hears them and he
has them, you know, he is gotyour tears in a bottle.
Um, they're, they're nothing, nowords you say to them are going
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to waste are all being used.
And it's that open-handed trustthat God always answers our
prayers.
It's just, is it a yes, a no ora not yet,
Kimber (23:58):
Right.
Right.
I love too that this can be suchan opportunity, I think, to
grow, your relationship withpeople, like with your friends
because like, man, thefriendships that, like I've
walked through, where we aresharing our hardest prayers and
stuff with each other and weknow that like we're praying for
each other or we're doing thatin person, like around those
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people.
I feel like it just, it deepensyour friendship when you're
actively praying for each other.
Especially when I think youdon't see the answers always
right away because like you'relike, okay, we're in the trench
together.
Or like, you know, friend, Iknow this is your trench, but
like, I'm here with you.
You know?
And I'm gonna sit in it even ifit takes a long time.
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Because I think that stickingwith someone in prayer, through
that long.
Wilderness season, like yousaid, that just demonstrates the
veracity of your friendship.
Um, and so I think that that canbe like a gift to people as
well.
and I know that that has blessedme when I've experienced that by
friends as well.
Meghan (25:04):
100%.
Yeah.
We're not alone in the foxhole.
Like, I've got your back.
Kimber (25:07):
Yeah,
Meghan (25:07):
You know?
Yeah.
Kimber (25:09):
Well, as we're like thinking of, that's kind of
like, you know, as I'm walkingthis, I see the importance of
being a friend who isauthentically interceding for
the people in my life.
You know, not just saying like,I'll pray for you, but actually
doing it and like doing thatover the long haul even.
Um, what do you think that aresome characteristics of friends
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who pray and are interceding foryour people?
That like when we see someonedoing that, We can like take
note and consider like leaninginto those friendships more like
what should we be watching forhere?
Meghan (25:43):
Yeah.
Well, I think the people, Ithink I said last podcast, a
episode of just that are beingpublic about it, of like, let's
stop and pray.
And they're showing that, um, Ithink, asking for prayer, so not
just waiting for someone to say,pray for you, but like, Hey,
could you pray for me?
I think also it's that givingand receiving aspect of like
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opening yourself up to that too,of if they're willing to be
vulnerable.
And ask for prayer, like they'reprobably wanting to also receive
that.
Um, so, so I think that's such agreat two-way street.
And I mean, and just like somepractical things, like I have a
friend who we have, we call it,um, actually have two friends
we're doing it with now, but myone friend we started, it's a
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purple, the Purple Heart emoji
Kimber (26:26):
Yes.
Meghan (26:27):
and
Kimber (26:27):
We've talked about that before on here.
I feel like that was, was thatan Alley Bear original?
Meghan (26:32):
Yes.
It was an Alley bear.
Alley Bear, Megan Original
Kimber (26:35):
listening if you have it.
If you don't know what we'retalking about, go back and
listen to, I wanna say it waslike episode 30 or so, maybe I
talked with Allie.
I don't know if that's right.
It's very ballpark, but AllieBear, share your pain.
Um, and she talks about thisidea of the Purple heart.
It's basically
Meghan (26:52):
Oh, funny.
Yeah, we started, yeah, her andI started that Sending Purple
Hearts to each
Kimber (26:55):
Yeah.
Oh, then it's a, it's a Megan
Meghan (26:58):
It's a Megan and Allie
Kimber (26:59):
I love it She shared that with us
Meghan (27:02):
oh,
Kimber (27:02):
in that episode, so that's where I've heard of it.
Yeah.
Meghan (27:05):
Okay.
Yes.
And so we started that withlike, sometimes we just need
prayer, but we don't have thetime or really like the capacity
to maybe go into details.
So it was like, it's like theSOS of like, when I see a Purple
Heart, I know exact like, Pray.
I might not know the situationor the like background, but I
know she just needs prayer.
And so, and um, and actuallyanother friend I was telling her
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about it cuz she's like, I wasgoing through some things and
I'm like, she's like, I justhave a hard time reaching out.
And I'm like, you know, youcould just send me a heart.
I was like, my friend, I do apurple heart.
She goes, well can I do yellow?
And I'm like, heck yes.
So now I've got like yellow
Kimber (27:41):
You gotta keep the color straight though.
Meghan (27:42):
I know my colors say like, who is it?
Um, like, so she sends me YellowHearts and it's that, and I, and
we just text back like, I'mpraying for you and we
Kimber (27:52):
Yes.
Yes.
I love that because it's so truethat sometimes you don't wanna
go into it.
And I actually had a friend textme, uh, just last night and she
was like, Hey, can you pray forme?
I'll tell you later, but I, Ijust, I'm too emotional to get
into it
Meghan (28:07):
Oh
Kimber (28:07):
And, um, One, I will just admit it was really hard
for me not to be like, are youokay?
What's wrong?
What's going on?
But like to just trust like herand trust the Lord with that.
And just, it was honestly agreat opportunity to practice.
just like trusting God with andlike with not knowing everything
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and really seeing like prayeras.
The best thing that I could doin that moment for her, you
know, even if it wasn't givingme more information.
and so I love that that can belike, it's sometimes hard to ask
for that or to want to go intoall of it.
And so I love having thatsystem.
And the most important thingthat I would say with that is
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friends, you can't just likethink that's a cool system and
then wish that people would dothat with you.
You have to say to someone, canthis be our system?
Right?
So, If you want someone who willdo that with you, you need to
text them right now and say, canwe make this a thing?
And then it'll be a thing.
Right.
Um, because
Meghan (29:07):
Yep.
And the rule is, the rule is noquestions unless they choose to
go into it.
Kimber (29:12):
Yeah.
I love that.
Meghan (29:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's been
Kimber (29:15):
such a great tool.
That's so good.
Well, Megan, as we are wrappingup our conversation today, um,
last week we started doing this.
It is just a way to like, helpus put this stuff that we're
talking about into practice insome small ways in our lives
because it's like an.
A great thing to say, oh, Iwanna grow in my prayer life.
I wanna be someone who prays formy friends and then walk away
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and not change anything.
And so, um, last week we startedtalking about just like a small
challenge that we could takeaway from our conversation to
help us start putting thesethings into practice in our
relationships that we alreadyhave.
so last week we talked aboutwith prayer, you know, how our
relationship with God, can beimpacted by that.
Do you remember what our twochallenges were?
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Can you refresh
Meghan (29:59):
Yes.
Yes.
So go to God before you take itto others, and then writing your
prayers down.
Kimber (30:06):
Yes.
So that you can go back and lookback at them.
So friends, if you forgot aboutour challenge last week and you
didn't do it, go try do it thisweek.
And if you did that, man, wewould love to, maybe you can
come share on social mediasomewhere on one of my posts,
um, about how that blessed you.
Um, if you did try that, um, wewould love to hear that and tag
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Megan,
Meghan (30:27):
Yes.
I
Kimber (30:28):
you do it cuz we would we would love to hear how that
was blessing you.
but what is our challenge forthis week?
With Ancestry.
Prayering
Meghan (30:34):
this week it is texting or calling to friends and asking
them how you can pray for them.
Kimber (30:41):
Oh, I love
Meghan (30:42):
Yeah, so ask how and then, and then following up.
So text a friend, Hey, you know,you were just, and pray about
it.
Pray about who you think God'sputting on your heart to text.
Text those people or give'em acall.
How can I pray for you?
And then follow up with them.
Like if they're saying, I've gota doctor's appointment next
Monday, or, and I'm nervousabout it Monday
Kimber (31:03):
Mm-hmm.
Meghan (31:03):
an alarm follow up.
How was I've been praying
Kimber (31:07):
I love that because, and that was something that, um, I
forgot about it, but now I'veremembered when we were talking
about, you know, just like whatwe can look for and people,
people who follow up with mewhen they've.
Like pray when they've beenpraying about something.
Um, man, that blesses me somuch.
I like, it's just, it'swonderful.
It just like reaffirms that onethey did pray, which is just
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encouraging to hear, but alsothat, they really had it on
their hearts.
Like it wasn't just a sentiment,I think is what that
Meghan (31:35):
Yes.
Kimber (31:36):
me.
And so I love that idea offollowing up.
Meghan (31:38):
Yes, absolutely that.
Yeah.
How'd that go?
How was, or how'd that situationpan out?
Or, you know, whatever.
So, yep.
So text two friends, how you canpray for them.
And you know what, you mighteven get blessed if they're
gonna ask, how can I pray foryou?
Kimber (31:48):
Yes.
Oh, I love it.
Such a good idea.
Well, thanks so much, Megan forthat challenge.
friends, it is your time now togo and be that friend that
you're really looking for inyour lives.
thanks so much for hanging outwith us
Meghan (32:02):
Yes, girl.
Yeah, it was awesome.
We'll see you later.
Kimber (32:10):
Friends.
I'm so glad you joined me andMegan on the show this week.
I'm so thankful we have a Godwhose heart is moved by the
prayers of his people and thathe designed us to be able to
support each other through thepowerful avenue of prayer.
Friends.
If you are loving this series sofar, will you share it with a
friend this week?
It's my biggest prayer out ofthis series that you would take
these conversations to your ownfriend circles.
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I don't let the talk stop here.
And a great way to do that is toshare the podcast and then talk
about it after you've bothlistened.
Don't forget to take Megan'schallenge this week and start
the conversation by asking afriend how you can be praying
for her this week, and thenfollowing up.
And remember the best way tostay connected with this
community is by joining mynewsletter crew.
All you have to do is visit yoursister kimber.com to subscribe.
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Then you'll get my weeklynewsletter directly to your
email inbox each Tuesday.
With a preview of what will befeatured on the podcast that
week.
I also like to include apractical tip for you to try for
that week and some otherresources to help you grow
friendships, the honor, God, anddraw closer to Jesus.
Friends.
Thank you so much for being partof this community until next
time.
It's your sister Kimber.
Hey friends.
Welcome to the, your sisterKimber podcast.
My name is Kimber Gilbert, andI'm so glad you're here.
Praying for your friends mightbe second nature for you or more
of a challenge, but intercessioncan be such a powerful practice
to grow our faith and strengthenour friendships.
I'm digging into this as myseries guest, co-host Megan
frable today.
As we seek to grow closer toJesus with the confidence that
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growing with him will spill goodthings out into our friendships.
I pray.
Our conversation helps you growdeep, authentic friendships that
honor God and Dre, closer toDCIS the true source of
community in our lives.
Today.
I wish we could all grab asugary blended coffee, drink of
some kind and talk this out overa long walk, but this is the
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next best thing.
I'm so glad you're here, friend.
Let's get started.
hello, Megan.
Meghan (01:05):
Hey, Kimber, how are you?
Kimber (01:06):
I'm good.
I'm
Meghan (01:08):
Good.
Good.
Kimber (01:09):
to, join you again, friends listening.
If you haven't been able to tuneinto our conversations yet, for
this series that we're doingthis summer, it's called Being
the Friend You Need, and we haveMegan Frak with us as our
special guest co-host forseries.
so Megan, if our friends haven'tlistened and don't know you yet,
what would you say is yourfavorite part of Summer?
Meghan (01:30):
Oh, hiking.
Kimber (01:32):
Okay.
Yes.
Which one are you?
What's, what are you like mostexcited to hike this summer, do
you think?
Meghan (01:39):
Oh, I'm actually hoping to get some new hikes in that I
haven't done.
Um, so There's one in Seward, sosewer's a couple
Kimber (01:46):
Ooh.
Meghan (01:47):
from us for those that aren't like local.
Um, it's the Harding Harding icefield, and I'm excited.
I really, that's been on my listto do, to hike up to where it
feeds all the glaciers in theKenai, uh, like fjords area.
So, um, it's, it's like a ninemile hike, uh, like out and
back.
So that's on my list.
So we'll see if the snow willmelt.
Kimber (02:08):
Yeah, that sounds really fun.
Absolutely.
It, well, actually, it soundsfun for you.
I probably wouldn't be able tohack it.
Um, but, but it sounds amazing.
Sounds
Meghan (02:17):
Yes.
Hiking.
What about you?
What do you wait,
Kimber (02:20):
Oh my gosh.
Um, well, it's kind of simple,but I'm really excited to do
flower outdoor stuff.
and so, I mean, obviously we'rerecording this a few weeks
before it's gonna actually air,and so we're just getting some
warmer days, this week, I feellike, and it's, it's got me
dreaming.
It's got me itching for some,some gardening,
Meghan (02:39):
know I love gardening, and hopefully when this airs,
you'll have them planted and
Kimber (02:43):
I know.
Meghan (02:44):
please, please.
Kimber (02:45):
Blooming and beautiful.
That's the help.
Well, uh, we are talking todayabout intercession, intercessory
prayer, and, friends, if youhaven't gotten to listen to our
first two conversations, um, thefirst one we kind of introduced
this, the idea of this series,which is just about like being
the friend that you need, likethe people around us.
They impact us.
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And so when we're looking atlike, who are our closest
relationships that are pouringinto our lives, um, we wanna be
intentional about who we'reallowing to speak our lives and,
who is kind of molding us andshaping us.
And so, um, we're just lookingat, in this series some things
that.
Can be important to that andthat can grow these, these deep
relationships with our closestpeople.
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and then last week we talkedabout prayer and just how that
relationship with the Lord, whenthat is like rich and deep and
authentic, uh, that leeches outinto all of our relationships,
um, because it's like an outflowof a relationship with him into,
those around us.
And so, uh, today, I forced uslast week to sort of not talk
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about.
The side of prayer that isrelational, which is really the
idea of intercessory prayer whenwe're praying for friends, um,
for people in our lives, talkingto God on behalf of someone else
is this idea of intercession.
And last week I was like, we'llget to it.
We'll have a whole week to talkabout it because I feel like, at
least for me, I don't know aboutyou, Megan, I'm guessing this is
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true for you.
Um, I'm very relational personand so I feel like it's actually
easier for me to pray with otherpeople.
and I don't think that's likegood or bad necessarily.
I think we just, differentpeople have different, aspects
of prayer that they're morecomfortable with.
I know that's not true foreveryone.
I know there's people who arelike, no, like I get really
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nervous to pray with otherpeople or whatever.
Um, but what about you?
What do, do you feel like this,like praying communally and
corporately is.
More of a sweet spot or is itmore of a challenge for you?
Meghan (04:43):
I, I love it.
It's like one of my, favoritethings to do.
I would say that that's whereI've grown a lot in, because I
never had a problem praying forsomebody if it was like in a
corporate setting or, like itwas kind of expected,
Kimber (04:58):
hmm.
Meghan (04:58):
it's been more of a growth point for me and actually
more, I mean, it's been reallyawesome of in the moment like
when a friend is like, we'reprocessing something, be like,
Hey, let's just stop and prayabout it.
Like, for some people like, oh,but that's been, um, just to
have that intentional.
moment of like, wow, you're,this is really hard.
Or man, why don't we stop it orjust praise God for this and,
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and do that.
Um, that's been more of like agrowth point for me, um, when
it's just maybe a conversationand, and taking that pause to
say like, Hey, can we, can Ipray over you?
Like, let's pray about it.
Kimber (05:32):
Yeah, cuz I feel like that's the aspect that's a
little more counterculturalmaybe is cuz like, you know, you
think of like corporate prayerin church or something like, oh
we're praying for someone who'ssick, like as the body or as
like a small group.
Um, that has never been superchallenging for me either.
I feel like that seems prettynatural.
Maybe it's just cuz I grew up indoing that.
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but I love that idea of.
You know, you're just talkingwith someone one-on-one and
you're like, Hey, like, let'stalk to God about this too.
Um, and actually doing it inthat
Meghan (06:04):
And doing it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I It's become such like,something that I love so much
that when I now like get off thephone with somebody, if I, and
they've like, we've talked aboutsomething, maybe it's happening
in their life, and I'll be like,man, I should have p like prayed
for them.
I will, I have called them backbefore and been
Kimber (06:21):
I love that.
Meghan (06:22):
should have prayed for you.
Like I should have done it.
I'm sorry.
Can we pray?
Like, um, and so I try, I can,like, I'll try to do that if I
didn't in that moment.
Like it's almost become likethis conviction
Kimber (06:33):
Mm.
I love that.
I've definitely been in thespot.
And I wonder if you have too, itsounds like where you, like say
you'll pray for someone and thenyou forget.
Meghan (06:43):
Oh, yes.
Kimber (06:44):
and that's something that I've been trying to grow
in, over the past years is, youknow, if I say that, I'll pray
for someone that needs to notjust be like a sentiment,
Meghan (06:54):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Kimber (06:55):
needs to be Action.
Um, like, so I was feelingreally convicted.
about, I think it's just like,In the church culture.
That's what you say.
Like
Meghan (07:04):
I'll pray for you.
Yeah.
Kimber (07:05):
something hard, that they're going through, you say
you'll pray for them.
And I was feeling so convictedbecause I felt like it was just
a sentiment, um, that I wassaying, and then I was actually
like not actually talking to Godabout it.
And so that's something that I'mtrying to grow in.
Have you ever struggled withdoing that?
Um, how did you like kind ofbreak out of that?
Was it just like praying in themoment together?
Meghan (07:28):
Oh yeah, I, that's actually something that I've was
also convicted of and still am.
Cuz it, it is, and I, and Idon't think, like my intention
was wrong of like, oh, I'll prayfor you.
And then not like I'm middle ofdoing dishes.
Like something, you know,there's a distraction that
happened.
But I got the same thing.
Like, I started feeling reallyconvicted of like, man, I'm
sane.
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Like that's, Prayer is sopowerful.
And when I am choosing not to dothat, and I say I am like, oh,
like that's not, I don't know,it just, it didn't sit right
with in my spirit.
And so, yeah, like, and it'lleven be like, This happened a
couple weeks ago, driving withthe kids and got a text message
about something while I wasdriving and I was like, guys,
let's just pray.
You know, and I didn't need togo into details with them, but
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just like, Hey guys, let's prayfor so-and-so.
Or, yeah, so trying to do it inthe moment or I've even like set
an alarm.
I've done that too.
Like where,
Kimber (08:18):
That's a great idea.
Meghan (08:19):
I probably take the amount of time to set the alarm
as would actually pray, but
Kimber (08:25):
but I suppose if you like want to pray more deeply to
set that for later.
Yeah.
Or at a time, like if someone'slike, I'm having surgery on this
time, like, I, will forgetfriend.
Like,
Meghan (08:38):
no.
Yes.
If it's specific, like I will, Iwill actually do that and set,
set an alarm of like when orwhen is your, yeah.
When is your surgery or when isOkay.
Yeah.
And I'll write it down orsomewhere
Kimber (08:49):
Right.
Meghan (08:50):
do that.
Kimber (08:50):
that even like comes into play in just the integrity
of our, in our friendships,like, You know, if I say that
I'll do something and then Idon't in just like casual life,
that might be kind of laughedoff as like, oh, I forgot,
whatever.
But like if I do that a lot inmy relationship, like, oh, I'll
text you back, or, oh, I'llbring this for you to borrow,
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or, oh, like let's do this.
And then you never do any ofthose things.
Your friendship is gonna feelthat, right?
Meghan (09:18):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kimber (09:19):
it slowly erodes that trust in your word.
I feel like.
In regard to saying you'll pray,I feel like it has even more
impact because then it's like, Ifeel like it erodes almost that
trust in like your spiritualbond as friends.
Like in being able to trust eachother with your prayer requests
and the things that are on yourheart.
If it's only ever lip serviceto.
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Those things of spiritualmatters, then I feel like I
would kind of stop trusting myfriend as much with those
things, cuz it would seem likeit was just kind of, something
they're saying.
And so that is, also animportant thing of it is like,
you saying that we'll pray forour friends and actually doing
it, can help to build spiritualintimacy even within our, within
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our
Meghan (10:02):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I agree.
I wanna be that friend that whenwhen they say, can you pray for
me?
Like Megan's gonna do it.
Like, I wanna have that and itnot be like a lip service.
And I also think like, man,prayer, prayer is so powerful
and it can like do so manythings and it's pushing back the
darkness and bringing in theHoly Spirit like it is.
It is not something to just beflippant with of like, sure,
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I'll pray for you.
Like, it's just a toss away.
Like you are like standing in agap for someone in that moment.
Or like, there is such power inthat and like, I don't wanna be
someone that's just like, ohsure.
It's just a little,
Kimber (10:37):
right.
Meghan (10:37):
little
Kimber (10:37):
Like throw up thing.
Yeah.
Meghan (10:40):
Yes.
Yeah.
Like, this is serious.
And, um, so I, I definitelywanna be that.
Kimber (10:45):
Yeah, I feel like the time when I started to really
think about the importance ofintercessory prayer, cuz again,
I, I feel like I just grew upwith it around me, like, oh
yeah, you pray for each other.
but as a kid I feel like Ididn't really get.
That, until, as an adult Ilearned about how Moses in,
Exodus, how God is like sofrustrated with Israel after the
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golden calf incident when he'sliterally like just brought them
out of Egypt and.
He's like, okay, I'm gonna makea covenant with you.
Like, we're gonna get married,essentially.
And then, you know, Moses goesup the mountain to do that, and
then Israel's like, uh, 40 daysis a long time.
Let's do our own thing.
And God's so frustrated withthem that he's just like, you
know what, I'm gonna start over.
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Like, I, like I'm done with youpeople.
And Moses, he interceed forIsrael.
And he's like, no, no, no, no,God.
Like, listen, these are yourchosen people, like these are
the people that you said youlove.
Like it would be against yourcharacter for you to do that.
And God is like, yeah, okay.
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You're right.
And he doesn't, he doesn't wipeout Israel.
And like when I learned aboutthat, Passage of scripture.
I was just like, whoa.
Like, God is moved by theprayers of his people.
And like the other one thatreally got me, on that same kind
of thing was with, Abraham andSodom.
Like, God's like I'm gonnadestroy Sodom.
(12:09):
And Abraham was like, wait,wait.
If, if I could find like ahundred righteous people in the
town, would you not destroy it?
And he's like, yeah, I wouldn'tdestroy it.
Like, and then Abraham's like,well, maybe that was optimistic.
And he like keeps going down anddown and down and eventually he
gets to 10 and he is like, God,if I can find 10 righteous
people, would you, would youspare the city?
(12:30):
And he's like, yeah, I would.
And then Abraham can't find 10righteous people but he, he gets
out his family, he gets out lotin his family and um, God does
judge that town and destroy it,but it's like, God is very open
to dialogue with his people andrespond to their prayers, is
what the narrative of scriptureshows.
(12:51):
And so, man, when I startedlearning about that, I was just,
I was like, oh, like, you know,and it's such like a tension
between what does prayer do?
How does like, cuz it's not likea magic trick,
Meghan (13:04):
Right?
Yes.
Like, do I hold all the power oram I just praying to someone
that's already made up theirmind like, you
Kimber (13:10):
Right.
It's like, what is that middleground?
And it's such a mystery.
It is, but I think it's clearthat it does move the heart of
God.
Meghan (13:18):
Yeah.
But I think it also showsobedience and that's like when
the, with Abraham, like what heis like, I'm gonna be obedient,
like I'm gonna follow throughwith what I said I'm gonna do,
do the work.
You know, and God's watchingthat of like, yes.
So you're being obedient in thatand like, I'm gonna find this
righteous please and contendingfor that.
And so I really think a lot ofit is obedience and us doing.
(13:39):
Being in the intercessor for ourfriends is really us showing
obedience to God and ourfaithfulness to our friend of,
I'm gonna stand here in the gap,you know, for you.
Kimber (13:49):
Because it is so relational, right?
Because it's like I, you know,you mentioned that obedience
because I feel like it's not somuch about God, like, About God
getting his way or somethinglike that.
It's like God wants arelationship with us.
And so if that's like in theMoses example, like that
relationship was broken withIsrael and that's what he is
upset about.
Right?
(14:10):
It wasn't so much about like, Imean the
Meghan (14:12):
He's like, guys, I literally put you through the
middle of an ocean and you havealready forgotten.
Kimber (14:16):
Oh man.
And aren't we so like quick to
Meghan (14:19):
We're so like that
Kimber (14:20):
yeah, I'm like Israeli, you guys are dumb, but, but I
know I do the same
Meghan (14:25):
but I'm the same way.
Kimber (14:27):
But it's like the one like Moses Abraham going to God
and saying no, like I do prizethat relationship with you and I
am gonna lean into thatrelationship and like, wow, look
how God honored that.
Like inspiring the lives ofpeople.
And so I feel like that is soencouraging to me in my
relationships.
Like, you know, I can't controlthe situation necessarily, but
(14:50):
like you said, I can.
Obediently honor, like myrelationship with God and talk
to him about it.
And I think that's what he,that's what he really wants.
He wants us close with him.
And so that's a way to, to draw
Meghan (15:03):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And I, I love it.
I feel like it's so much thislike stake in the ground.
Like I always just imagine whenI think of intercessory prayer
of wearing that armor of God andbeing like, and step, taking
that step in front of yourfriend of like,
Kimber (15:20):
Yeah.
Meghan (15:20):
I got you.
Like, I don't know, I feel likethis warrior princess, like
that's, honestly, it's probablya little dramatic, but that's
kinda what I see as like this,
Kimber (15:26):
Yeah, no.
One thing that I always thinkof, I always think of in, um,
have you seen the Lord of theRings?
Meghan (15:33):
Yes,
Kimber (15:34):
of the Rings person?
Okay, so when Arwin Arwin hasFrodo in the first.
one, and actually, I, I read thebooks, but I slept through a lot
of it.
We listened to it on audio, sothis might not be the best.
But in the movie, um, Arwin hasFrodo on her horse and she's
like trying to get him toRivendale to heal him cuz he's
really sick.
And these, these like, uh,riders are coming after them,
(15:56):
which are very much like.
Evil and you
Meghan (15:58):
evil and yes.
Kimber (15:59):
And she like crosses this river and draws her sword.
And she's like, if you want himcome and claim him.
And I always think about thatwith ancestry prayer, because I
feel like.
You know, we are like, inbattle, right?
And we're like contending onbehalf of our friends and like,
listen, if you want them, you'regonna have to like
Meghan (16:18):
To go through me.
Kimber (16:19):
em.
Right?
And yet I love also though, likethe way that I would adjust that
image is that it's not just melike standing out in front of
them, right?
Like it's Jesus standing infront of us and then we get to
like, Be like hiding behind him,but Like yeah.
yeah.
Like, you know, the, the little,the little sibling who's like
(16:41):
kind of hiding and being tougherbehind their, their big sibling
who's they know is gonna reallydo the defending.
But, I love that image becauseit reminds us that we're in a
battle.
and that, you know, it's notlike Paul says, it's not the,
you
Meghan (16:55):
against flesh and blood.
Kimber (16:56):
Yeah.
It's the, the powers of thespiritual realm.
And, and so I feel like that isone, one way that, you know, our
ancestry prayer can feel morereal to us, even like the impact
of it.
And when we think of it in thosekind of terms, because we are so
familiar.
With like that dynamic of like,standing up for our friends, you
know, standing up and defendingour people.
Meghan (17:18):
Oh, I love that image.
I love that scene and that Iknow exactly what you're talking
about.
Cause I'm like, I always getlike, yes.
Yeah, that's, it's so, yes,that's it.
It's so true.
Yeah.
There is such a, Being able tostand in that gap for your
friend and because there's timeswhere I need someone to do that
because I can't do it formyself.
And so to have that personthat's like, I'm, I'm praying
(17:39):
this over you when I don't havethe words for it, is like, like
I know God's got me, but I know,you know, my friends.
Like, I'll, you know, I'll saythat.
Um, so for those that don'tknow, like my mom has a, is
going through ovarian cancer andit came back and this year and I
kept telling people like, Iliterally felt like God, Like
(18:01):
had me wrapped up in his arms,like I just was tucked into his
chest.
Like it was the craziest feelingof like the deepest heartbreak,
but you're just like, but he'sgot me.
But honestly, the second thingwas just that there was just
this army of people that, Imean, some that I didn't even
know that I knew were prayingfor, for me, praying for my
family.
it got me through it.
Like that's what really helpedme through was knowing that
(18:22):
there's people going on, on mybehalf where, In the moment,
like, I'm like, I can't, likeGod's just getting my tears.
There's not a lot of wordshappening right now, but they're
able to do that and it, I don'tthink I could have gotten
through it,
Kimber (18:36):
Yeah.
Right.
That's such like the, beautifulpicture of community,
Meghan (18:41):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Kimber (18:42):
when we don't have the strength to hope or like the
capacity to keep praying or thesame prayer or just not even
knowing, you know, what to sayin those moments.
To know that we have peoplearound us who are.
Who are saying those prayersbecause they do have the
strength or they do have alittle bit of distance, but they
care about us so much.
(19:03):
I think that that is soencouraging to know that we're
not, it's not like just us inthat
Meghan (19:08):
yeah.
We're not right.
We're not alone in that battle.
Yeah.
I love
Kimber (19:13):
I feel like, cuz I feel like, and I feel like part of
that, I mean this idea ofcontending, like we talked about
it before on the podcast here.
Just this idea of like being inthat long term kind of struggle.
And I think we can be in thiskind of, uh, a prayer walk when
we're in like a hard season thatisn't, Just like a one-off
moment, but we're kind of, we'repraying the same prayers and it
(19:36):
just gets tiring.
Right.
And I feel like when we havefriends who will walk.
Along that long prayer journeywith us of like contending for
us in that battle.
I feel like that can really helpus to, to get through it.
And I'm interested to hear alsolike as a friend, like when, if
you're walking through that, ofcourse, like you're gonna
(19:57):
experience fatigue I think inthat, in your prayer life.
But I think when we're.
Walking through these kind ofthings with our friends as well,
we can experience that too,where it's just like, you know,
like, I'm not seeingbreakthrough.
I'm not seeing change in theircircumstances, but we, you know,
how do we keep praying to theLord?
How do we keep contending, um,for our friends when like, the
(20:19):
walk is long?
Um, have you walked through longseasons like that with your
people?
How have you gotten through it?
Meghan (20:25):
Yeah.
Um, I think leaning on eachother, and I feel like God's
been really gracious in thosemoments of when I'm, when I'm
weak, they're able to kind oflike, I got you.
And then they're feeling it andwe carry, um, you know, we've
got friends that are walkingthrough, Mar so marriage issues.
We've got friends going throughfertility issues, and there's
just this.
The season where it's just likewilderness and you're just this
(20:50):
desert season.
Kimber (20:51):
Mm-hmm.
Meghan (20:52):
I think in those moments it's so easy to feel so far from
God that those prayers are justlike, where are you in that?
And I feel like that's when it'sso important that you have those
close people in your life thatare speaking God's truth to you
over and over and over and over,because.
I might not be hearing it formyself, but I, I need them to
(21:14):
speak that.
And, you know, and I, I'm kindof going through it with my
family, you know, my family andour journey of like this long
game of like, God, like
Kimber (21:22):
Hmm.
Meghan (21:23):
what is the purpose in this?
Or what is, you know, and, um,it's hard not to question those
things.
Um, I don't know if I have likethe magic answer for it, of just
Knowing that I don't have,again, like not having to show
up perfectly for God.
That why?
And like, God, this sucks.
Kimber (21:43):
Mm-hmm.
Meghan (21:44):
Like he wants that.
He wants to hear that too, youknow?
And so the authentic, um,
Kimber (21:50):
One passage that really encourages me with this idea
when I'm like walking a longroad with a friend is, in Daniel
10, and it's like, it's whenDaniel is like, he's had this
vision and it's reallystressful.
Him out.
And so he's like praying aboutit, praying, praying about it,
and he's not like getting anyanswer.
And then eventually an angelcomes to him and is like,
(22:13):
Daniel, like your prayer washeard from the first time you
started praying about it.
And we've been literally likebattling in the heavenly realm.
Against the forces of evil tocome and like, give you an
answer and re make, give youclarity.
And he says like that theybattled for 21 days against like
(22:33):
the forces of evil to come andlike, respond to Daniel who, who
he is.
Like, I mean, Daniel's like oneof the, I would say preeminent
examples of like a bold prayerand consistent prayer life in,
in scripture and.
And yet he even struggled inthat way of feeling like he
wasn't getting any answer andthe fatigue of that.
But then knowing that like, youknow, God is already making
(22:56):
arrangements to answer yourrequest, even if you're not
seeing that breakthrough andthat there's like, you're
battling like the forces of evilwhen
Meghan (23:05):
yeah, yeah, Yes.
And I think, yeah, knowing thatthere's more going on behind the
scenes than you.
Let's see.
And to trust God.
Yeah.
And then there's that verse.
Um, I think it's secondChronicles.
I couldn't give you the chapteror the, but the, the verse that
says, if my people call on myname, I will hear their prayers
and heal their land.
(23:25):
And, you know, and it's, so,it's that reminder of just even
calling on his name.
Like there is, there's so muchgoing on behind the scenes that
they're not, it's not justfalling into.
The space and just floating upthere, like he hears them and he
has them, you know, he is gotyour tears in a bottle.
Um, they're, they're nothing, nowords you say to them are going
(23:47):
to waste are all being used.
And it's that open-handed trustthat God always answers our
prayers.
It's just, is it a yes, a no ora not yet,
Kimber (23:58):
Right.
Right.
I love too that this can be suchan opportunity, I think, to
grow, your relationship withpeople, like with your friends
because like, man, thefriendships that, like I've
walked through, where we aresharing our hardest prayers and
stuff with each other and weknow that like we're praying for
each other or we're doing thatin person, like around those
(24:21):
people.
I feel like it just, it deepensyour friendship when you're
actively praying for each other.
Especially when I think youdon't see the answers always
right away because like you'relike, okay, we're in the trench
together.
Or like, you know, friend, Iknow this is your trench, but
like, I'm here with you.
You know?
And I'm gonna sit in it even ifit takes a long time.
(24:44):
Because I think that stickingwith someone in prayer, through
that long.
Wilderness season, like yousaid, that just demonstrates the
veracity of your friendship.
Um, and so I think that that canbe like a gift to people as
well.
and I know that that has blessedme when I've experienced that by
friends as well.
Meghan (25:04):
100%.
Yeah.
We're not alone in the foxhole.
Like, I've got your back.
Kimber (25:07):
Yeah,
Meghan (25:07):
You know?
Yeah.
Kimber (25:09):
Well, as we're like thinking of, that's kind of
like, you know, as I'm walkingthis, I see the importance of
being a friend who isauthentically interceding for
the people in my life.
You know, not just saying like,I'll pray for you, but actually
doing it and like doing thatover the long haul even.
Um, what do you think that aresome characteristics of friends
(25:31):
who pray and are interceding foryour people?
That like when we see someonedoing that, We can like take
note and consider like leaninginto those friendships more like
what should we be watching forhere?
Meghan (25:43):
Yeah.
Well, I think the people, Ithink I said last podcast, a
episode of just that are beingpublic about it, of like, let's
stop and pray.
And they're showing that, um, Ithink, asking for prayer, so not
just waiting for someone to say,pray for you, but like, Hey,
could you pray for me?
I think also it's that givingand receiving aspect of like
(26:03):
opening yourself up to that too,of if they're willing to be
vulnerable.
And ask for prayer, like they'reprobably wanting to also receive
that.
Um, so, so I think that's such agreat two-way street.
And I mean, and just like somepractical things, like I have a
friend who we have, we call it,um, actually have two friends
we're doing it with now, but myone friend we started, it's a
(26:24):
purple, the Purple Heart emoji
Kimber (26:26):
Yes.
Meghan (26:27):
and
Kimber (26:27):
We've talked about that before on here.
I feel like that was, was thatan Alley Bear original?
Meghan (26:32):
Yes.
It was an Alley bear.
Alley Bear, Megan Original
Kimber (26:35):
listening if you have it.
If you don't know what we'retalking about, go back and
listen to, I wanna say it waslike episode 30 or so, maybe I
talked with Allie.
I don't know if that's right.
It's very ballpark, but AllieBear, share your pain.
Um, and she talks about thisidea of the Purple heart.
It's basically
Meghan (26:52):
Oh, funny.
Yeah, we started, yeah, her andI started that Sending Purple
Hearts to each
Kimber (26:55):
Yeah.
Oh, then it's a, it's a Megan
Meghan (26:58):
It's a Megan and Allie
Kimber (26:59):
I love it She shared that with us
Meghan (27:02):
oh,
Kimber (27:02):
in that episode, so that's where I've heard of it.
Yeah.
Meghan (27:05):
Okay.
Yes.
And so we started that withlike, sometimes we just need
prayer, but we don't have thetime or really like the capacity
to maybe go into details.
So it was like, it's like theSOS of like, when I see a Purple
Heart, I know exact like, Pray.
I might not know the situationor the like background, but I
know she just needs prayer.
And so, and um, and actuallyanother friend I was telling her
(27:27):
about it cuz she's like, I wasgoing through some things and
I'm like, she's like, I justhave a hard time reaching out.
And I'm like, you know, youcould just send me a heart.
I was like, my friend, I do apurple heart.
She goes, well can I do yellow?
And I'm like, heck yes.
So now I've got like yellow
Kimber (27:41):
You gotta keep the color straight though.
Meghan (27:42):
I know my colors say like, who is it?
Um, like, so she sends me YellowHearts and it's that, and I, and
we just text back like, I'mpraying for you and we
Kimber (27:52):
Yes.
Yes.
I love that because it's so truethat sometimes you don't wanna
go into it.
And I actually had a friend textme, uh, just last night and she
was like, Hey, can you pray forme?
I'll tell you later, but I, Ijust, I'm too emotional to get
into it
Meghan (28:07):
Oh
Kimber (28:07):
And, um, One, I will just admit it was really hard
for me not to be like, are youokay?
What's wrong?
What's going on?
But like to just trust like herand trust the Lord with that.
And just, it was honestly agreat opportunity to practice.
just like trusting God with andlike with not knowing everything
(28:28):
and really seeing like prayeras.
The best thing that I could doin that moment for her, you
know, even if it wasn't givingme more information.
and so I love that that can belike, it's sometimes hard to ask
for that or to want to go intoall of it.
And so I love having thatsystem.
And the most important thingthat I would say with that is
(28:49):
friends, you can't just likethink that's a cool system and
then wish that people would dothat with you.
You have to say to someone, canthis be our system?
Right?
So, If you want someone who willdo that with you, you need to
text them right now and say, canwe make this a thing?
And then it'll be a thing.
Right.
Um, because
Meghan (29:07):
Yep.
And the rule is, the rule is noquestions unless they choose to
go into it.
Kimber (29:12):
Yeah.
I love that.
Meghan (29:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's been
Kimber (29:15):
such a great tool.
That's so good.
Well, Megan, as we are wrappingup our conversation today, um,
last week we started doing this.
It is just a way to like, helpus put this stuff that we're
talking about into practice insome small ways in our lives
because it's like an.
A great thing to say, oh, Iwanna grow in my prayer life.
I wanna be someone who prays formy friends and then walk away
(29:38):
and not change anything.
And so, um, last week we startedtalking about just like a small
challenge that we could takeaway from our conversation to
help us start putting thesethings into practice in our
relationships that we alreadyhave.
so last week we talked aboutwith prayer, you know, how our
relationship with God, can beimpacted by that.
Do you remember what our twochallenges were?
(29:58):
Can you refresh
Meghan (29:59):
Yes.
Yes.
So go to God before you take itto others, and then writing your
prayers down.
Kimber (30:06):
Yes.
So that you can go back and lookback at them.
So friends, if you forgot aboutour challenge last week and you
didn't do it, go try do it thisweek.
And if you did that, man, wewould love to, maybe you can
come share on social mediasomewhere on one of my posts,
um, about how that blessed you.
Um, if you did try that, um, wewould love to hear that and tag
(30:26):
Megan,
Meghan (30:27):
Yes.
I
Kimber (30:28):
you do it cuz we would we would love to hear how that
was blessing you.
but what is our challenge forthis week?
With Ancestry.
Prayering
Meghan (30:34):
this week it is texting or calling to friends and asking
them how you can pray for them.
Kimber (30:41):
Oh, I love
Meghan (30:42):
Yeah, so ask how and then, and then following up.
So text a friend, Hey, you know,you were just, and pray about
it.
Pray about who you think God'sputting on your heart to text.
Text those people or give'em acall.
How can I pray for you?
And then follow up with them.
Like if they're saying, I've gota doctor's appointment next
Monday, or, and I'm nervousabout it Monday
Kimber (31:03):
Mm-hmm.
Meghan (31:03):
an alarm follow up.
How was I've been praying
Kimber (31:07):
I love that because, and that was something that, um, I
forgot about it, but now I'veremembered when we were talking
about, you know, just like whatwe can look for and people,
people who follow up with mewhen they've.
Like pray when they've beenpraying about something.
Um, man, that blesses me somuch.
I like, it's just, it'swonderful.
It just like reaffirms that onethey did pray, which is just
(31:28):
encouraging to hear, but alsothat, they really had it on
their hearts.
Like it wasn't just a sentiment,I think is what that
Meghan (31:35):
Yes.
Kimber (31:36):
me.
And so I love that idea offollowing up.
Meghan (31:38):
Yes, absolutely that.
Yeah.
How'd that go?
How was, or how'd that situationpan out?
Or, you know, whatever.
So, yep.
So text two friends, how you canpray for them.
And you know what, you mighteven get blessed if they're
gonna ask, how can I pray foryou?
Kimber (31:48):
Yes.
Oh, I love it.
Such a good idea.
Well, thanks so much, Megan forthat challenge.
friends, it is your time now togo and be that friend that
you're really looking for inyour lives.
thanks so much for hanging outwith us
Meghan (32:02):
Yes, girl.
Yeah, it was awesome.
We'll see you later.
Kimber (32:10):
Friends.
I'm so glad you joined me andMegan on the show this week.
I'm so thankful we have a Godwhose heart is moved by the
prayers of his people and thathe designed us to be able to
support each other through thepowerful avenue of prayer.
Friends.
If you are loving this series sofar, will you share it with a
friend this week?
It's my biggest prayer out ofthis series that you would take
these conversations to your ownfriend circles.
(32:32):
I don't let the talk stop here.
And a great way to do that is toshare the podcast and then talk
about it after you've bothlistened.
Don't forget to take Megan'schallenge this week and start
the conversation by asking afriend how you can be praying
for her this week, and thenfollowing up.
And remember the best way tostay connected with this
community is by joining mynewsletter crew.
All you have to do is visit yoursister kimber.com to subscribe.
(32:54):
Then you'll get my weeklynewsletter directly to your
email inbox each Tuesday.
With a preview of what will befeatured on the podcast that
week.
I also like to include apractical tip for you to try for
that week and some otherresources to help you grow
friendships, the honor, God, anddraw closer to Jesus.
Friends.
Thank you so much for being partof this community until next
time.
It's your sister Kimber.
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