June 18, 2025 • 47 mins
The heaviest burden you'll ever carry isn't physical – it's emotional. Carolyn Ozuna returns to share how radical forgiveness transformed her from living in her sister's basement during a painful divorce to building a multimillion-dollar business and finding her soulmate.
"Forgiveness isn't condoning behavior," Carolyn explains, dispelling the most common misconception holding people back from healing. Instead, it's a powerful act of self-liberation. She reveals five core principles that form the foundation of radical forgiveness: nothing happens by accident, we are not victims, emotions should be fully felt (but only need 90 seconds to process), healing comes through acceptance not analysis, and forgiveness benefits you, not them.
The conversation takes a profound turn when addressing how to find gifts in seemingly unforgivable traumas. Carolyn doesn't shy away from difficult truths – that victim consciousness perpetuates more victimization, while conscious awareness creates new possibility. She shares the story of a client who discovered his mother had been raped, resulting in his birth. While never condoning the violence, he ultimately recognized that without that terrible event, he wouldn't exist to impact countless lives today.
Perhaps most practical is the pattern-interrupt technique Carolyn offers. By choosing a silly word (hers is "pineapple") to break negative thought spirals, we can create space between our thoughts. "I find God in the space between my thoughts," she reveals, explaining how this practice opens us to higher consciousness and new perspectives.
Ready to break free from the prison of pain you've been decorating for years? This episode provides actionable steps to release what no longer serves you. As Carolyn beautifully states, "My destination in life is no longer a place—it's a new way of seeing the world, because through new eyes, I live a new life."
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to your Thoughts, your Reality with
Michael Cole, the podcast thatshines a compassionate light on
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Together, let's uncover thestrength within you to re-engage
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Hello, hello, hello everybody.
So we have the amazing CarolynAzuna back on today.
She's a renowned coach, mentorand energy healer with over a
decade of experience.
Has worked alongside toptransformational leaders such as
Joseph McClellan III Dr JasonAzuna top transformational
leaders such as Joseph McLennanIII Dr Jason Azuna.
She specializes in helpingpeople release deep, deep
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emotions and forgiveness and allof the great things we're
talking about today and as anexpert in radical forgiveness,
showing how unresolved pain canaffect finances, relationships
and especially, health.
So we're going to jump on in,carolyn, why don't you tell us a
little bit more about yourselfbefore we get started?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, I'd love to do that.
I'd love for anyone watchinglive, or even anyone watching
the recording, to post.
Hi, susan, how you doing?
Post one thing you're gratefulfor.
I always just like to start itoff, even the searching, and
something to be grateful for ishelping you in this whole show,
that you have your thoughts.
Your reality is that we cancontrol our destiny, that we can
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truly heal, you know, and so Ialways like to start off every
everything that I do with alittle bit of gratitude.
But, yes, I have been doingthis for 11 years now, believe
it or not.
I started this work back in 2014and you know where I was, was I
was, you know, living in mysister's basement, going through
a horrible divorce, and youknow where I was, was I was, you
know, living in my sister'sbasement, going through a
horrible divorce, and you knowwhere I am now is, you know,
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have created a multimilliondollar business.
I have met my soulmate and wehave a beautiful, passionate,
loving marriage, hosting events,coaching people, impacting
influence.
You know, my life is barelyrecognizable from what it was,
and I'm excited about thispodcast because, on this podcast
, I'm going to give theseviewers exactly the tools that I
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used and really leave them withsome lasting like actually
step-by-step things, like notjust talking.
We're not just going to betalking, I'm actually.
I have a list of tools that Iwant to give to them that they
can start practicing right away.
That will drastically changetheir thoughts and their reality
.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
We're excited so and we're going to dive into those
tools and you know it's, I'mjust going to say it.
So, Carolyn, don't listen for aminute.
Carolyn is amazing, Okay.
I mean, I've known her for acouple of years now.
We're in different groupstogether and so on.
She really does some of themost amazing, beautiful work
with people.
It just this is a treat for youguys, so, and she's doing a
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little bit different today we'regoing through actual steps and
we're going to go through anddive in.
So, before we really dive in,just want to get everybody lined
up with.
On the top right hand corner ofthe screen, there's a blue QR
code.
It takes you toempowerperformingstrategiescom
Again, for people listeninglater on
empowerperformingstrategiescom,we have free ebooks and
(03:37):
trainings and Facebook groupsfor both veterans and their
families.
So please become part of ourmission, become part of our
family.
So, with that said, Carolyn,let's just start off with.
Many people think forgivenessis about letting someone else
off the hook, which is so notthe case, and I think that's why
people struggle with it.
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They really struggle with.
Oh no, that wasn't right.
It's not about forgiving theact, right?
Talk to us more about that.
Let's start there.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
If we can Right.
And so I think people reallyget confused with forgiveness
because they think forgivenessmeans condoning or that they're
okay with the behavior that wasdone to them or that they did to
others, because forgivenessisn't just for other people.
Say yes in the comments ifyou've also been hard on
yourself or felt guilty aboutthings or had trouble.
Oh, I should have done thatdifferently, or I wish I would
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have been different, or you didthe best that you could.
You know we should eliminatethe word should from our
vocabulary, because if you wouldhave known better, you would
have done better.
And so I think people reallyhave this skewed concept of what
forgiveness can do in your life, skewed concept of what
forgiveness can do in your life.
And I know many of my teachers,including the ones in you know.
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Even I've traveled to India andworked with monks and one of
the first, like, the traditionalpiece, is forgiveness.
But I want to get you to aplace and most people have
trouble with this right Likethere's certain steps to get to,
but the step that I would likeeveryone to be at, michael, is
that there's nothing to forgive,and then the step beyond that
is grateful for what happened,and that's a huge leap for most
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people.
Most people in their lives willnever get there because they
won't be able to see the gift orthe wisdom that came from that
challenging situations.
I'm not saying what happened toyou was right.
I'm not condoning anyone'sbehavior.
I'm not saying what happened toyou was right.
I'm not saying I'm notcondoning anyone's behavior.
I'm not saying there shouldn'tbe justice uh, you know or
consequences when these thingshappen.
Does that make sense?
(05:33):
What I'm saying, and and and.
I have these written down,cause I wanted to be really
click crystal clear.
Yes, thank you Susan.
Yes, everyone watching, pleaseput yes in the chat.
The more you participate, themore you engage, the more you
share this out, the more you'regoing to get off of this.
And so the first core principleof this radical forgiveness
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that I'm talking about isnothing happens by accident.
Okay, so everything, even thepainful, unjust, traumatic
events in our life, serves as aspiritual purpose.
Until you no longer at thatconsciousness level anymore,
there's some type of learning orlesson.
If there's toxicity or dramawithin you, you are going to
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attract that.
Does that make sense?
Until you say, okay, enough ofthis.
Where's my gift in this?
How can I see this as my mirror.
Oh, this person is controlling.
Where am I controlling in mylife?
Oh, I'm judgmental on thisperson.
I remember when I first met myhusband I was like you're the
most judgmental person I've evermet.
And he's like that means you'rethe most judgmental person.
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And I had so much trouble withthat concept until I started to
put these things, these fivethings if I can give them to you
and then we can ask anotherquestion.
But the second principle iswe're not victims.
We are not victims, and when itdoes, look you, the radical
forgiveness principle says look,go into your victimness for a
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little bit.
You know, just tell the story,because that's going to validate
it, that's going to tune in soyou can actually feel it, let it
flow and free it and release it, but don't stay stuck in that
story.
Listen to me now, guys.
This is so true Any more than90 seconds to five minutes in an
emotion, a feeling, an emotion,you're not actually feeling an
emotion, you're stuck in a story.
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Okay, and this is reallypowerful because we can take our
power back If we know.
You know what I'm notprocessing.
When I say I'm processing this,that means I'm stuck.
I'm stuck in a story, I'm in mymind and I'm in like a hell
loop that keeps replaying, andso this is where we're at Right,
exactly.
And so people in experiencethat hurt us are often, you know
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, soul contracts or there's aspiritual reason behind it.
I just I cannot believe that wewill experience pain in our
life for no reason, just justbecause there's something here,
there's some gift in it.
Even the most horrendous thingsthere, there can be a gift
behind it, like my divorce washorrible 11 years ago.
I don't wish a divorce onanyone.
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It is, you know, it's like it'slike dying, it's like losing a
part of yourself because youlose who you were with that
person, and and and, and.
But I, so I don't wish that onanyone.
But it brought me such gifts.
It brought me to Jason.
It brought me to um a life thatI I didn't even know was
possible.
Um, you know, once I wasfinally able to see through my
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victimization, see through myown story.
So the second things.
So, number two we're notvictims and everything that's
happening in our outer realityis reflecting what we need to
heal and grow.
Number three feel it fully,don't bypass it.
No more than 90 seconds to fiveminutes, and this takes
practice, right?
How often?
Say yes in the comments if youguys have ever experienced a
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situation where you stay in itlonger than five minutes.
I did this this past week.
I was in it for like threehours.
I was totally stuck, my energywas drained and I was like
replaying this scenario over andover and over again, the way I
thought it should be versus theway it was, and all of these
things, and it drains us.
It drains us.
Okay and um and I'm passionateabout this because this works so
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, uh, radical forgiveness, orit's not about, you know,
spiritually bypassing your pain,pain.
It's about feeling it withawareness and then shifting the
meaning you're attaching to whathappened.
Okay, step number three fullyfeel it, don't bypass it.
You know what?
What if I could just feel myanger without attaching the
meaning or where it come from?
You know, can't you experiencemagic or passion or life without
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needing to know how or whyyou're, when you're needing to
know how or why, you're still inyour mind?
Just okay, I feel angry, I'mfrustrated, or you know what?
I feel joy.
Let me fully feel it, withoutsuppressing it.
You know what?
I don't want to feel too good,because if I feel too good, what
if the other shoe drops right?
It's energy both ways.
And so number four is healinghappens through acceptance, not
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analysis.
Healing happens throughacceptance, and I think people
miss this and they overthink andthey overattach and all of
these things.
You don't need to understandevery detail mentally or figure
it out.
You just need to be willing tosee it differently.
That's it, you know, you justneed to step outside just a
little bit, because what happensis when you lock yourself into
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one perspective.
I cannot even tell you the lowenergy that you are in.
The person listening.
Now, guys, the person with themost perspectives wins.
If I can see from Michael'spoint of view, if I can see from
my view, I can see from Susan'sview and I can see from God's
view, and then I have all thesemultiple perspectives.
It's healing.
And then life happens.
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And number five, the forget.
This is like the most importantone.
I think the forgiveness is notfor them, it is for you.
You know, I I saw this thingonline and I don't care if you
guys agree with me or not, Idon't believe this.
I think I heard Taylor Swift orI think I heard a doctor saying
don't forgive them, don'tforgive them, you know, just
just don't forget.
(10:58):
And I was like this is likethat is coming from a wounded
place.
Because here's the deal.
Cindy, what's up?
Beautiful, hello, yes, it's allabout perspective, but there's
an energetic thread between usand everyone that you've known,
know now or will ever know.
Trust me on this.
And so every time you feeldrained, that could literally be
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someone thinking about you.
We are impacting people, you.
We have more impact on thisenergetic field, on our lives,
than we could ever measure orimagine truly.
And so this one is veryparticular because it says it's
not for them, it's for you.
Claim that forgiveness, likeyou know what, I'm not going to
stay in my hurt, because whenyou stay in your hurt, when you
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stay in your wounds, when youstay in that lack of forgiveness
, I want you guys to imagine itwould be like me walking around
holding a suitcase all day long.
No, this is my hurt, michael, Ineed to take this with me.
Okay, this gives me uncertaintyand a pattern and emotions that
I'm super used to andconditioned to.
Okay, so I just want to holdonto this.
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I know it hurts my arm.
I know it hurts my arm.
I know it hurts, I know it'sheavy, but I'm going to carry it
.
Why are we doing this?
Just because you can't see itdoesn't mean it's not heavy, my
friends.
And so those are the five, justto get started on forgiveness.
Those are five tools so that Iwould immediately start to apply
to my own life, and fivebeliefs like, integrate these
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beliefs into your life.
And when you change yourthoughts and I know you believe
this this whole podcast ischange your thoughts, you change
your reality.
Tiny shifts in our thinkingcreate mammoth shifts in our
reality.
So, if we truly believe, ifeveryone listening believes my
thoughts create my reality,because my thoughts create my
beliefs, and then my beliefscreate my behavior and my
behavior creates my destiny.
Oh, I'm passionate about thisbecause I know if those four
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things line up, you're going tochange and your life is going to
change drastically.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Absolutely.
And so, hey guys, we're donefor the day, no wait.
I have more stuff.
I have two more questions.
I think my dear friend hasdropped enough bombs and golden
nuggets.
That it's enough.
I don't think anybody could takemore amazing thoughts right now
(13:10):
.
I joke, I joke.
Obviously we're only halfwaythrough, so I want to dive into
a couple of things and I'm noteven going questions.
Let's just talk, because youknow how this works.
I ask a question, I'm done.
It's organic conversationbecause that's what I believe in
.
So, with that said, and I gotcomments blowing up right now, I
can't keep up with them, so Ican't do everything.
(13:31):
So listen, so I've always no, Ishouldn't say that Since I was
probably 30 years old, I havehad a different perspective on
forgiveness than most people.
I believe that, and it's withmyself and it's with other
people, and I want to get yourthoughts on this as well.
Yeah, because everything you'vealready said hits totally home
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with me.
So people are doing the bestthey can for who they are at the
time where they are right andwhen you really think about that
, it's so simple, because aren'twe all at the time doing the
best we can for who we are?
I mean it doesn't mean I'mforgiving that person for doing
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something you know stupid.
I mean there are things thatare hard, and I want to get into
the hard ones with you, carolyn, because I know you're going to
be amazing at this, but how,how simplified assassinating
complexity with forgiveness canthat be?
Because all we're doing is isyou know, there's sayings out
there, obviously, my wife saysit all the time is you're
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drinking the poison, expectingsomeone else to die.
And that's what forgiveness, tome, is really about.
It's about, like you said, it'sfor you, it's for healing for
you, because it is an energysucker from hell.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And when you're sitting there, judgmental or
whatever the case may be likewith somebody against somebody
else, yeah, forgive, move on foryourself.
And this is where I want to getinto.
You know, people talk aboutfinding the gift, and I am the
biggest believer in this.
You know, find, find what youlearn from so you grow and you
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move on and you're a betterperson and all the beautiful
things that come from thatalignment.
There's rape, there's murder.
People say how do you find agift in that?
How can you possibly find agift or something to learn from
that?
I want you to talk about thatbecause it's a tough one,
because it's easier for peopleto say, oh well, they messed up
my coffee.
I can forgive them for that.
(15:34):
But the ones that people holdon with the trauma and guys
trauma, in my opinion, heretrauma is generally a one-time
event that just recycles becauseyou haven't let it go, and
that's why it builds and buildsand builds and ruins people's
lives.
I coach people with this allthe time, so give us thoughts on
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that, if you will.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Absolutely.
So I'm going to share twothings and can your viewers or
anyone's watching, can you guys,say yes in the chat if you're
open to new perspectives,because I feel like I might
trigger some people and I knowthat's okay.
These, the things that we'resharing, um, are for very highly
conscious people and people whoare open to different
perspectives.
I can tell right away, um, ifsomeone's open.
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So I would just what's new toknow?
Susan's open, okay, do we haveanyone else that's open to new?
Yes, okay, we got.
We got a Cindy on board.
Who else can we get on boardhere?
Just say yes.
And because this is reallyimportant in terms of um, where
I'm going to take you guys, so,first, how do we, how would we
even find the gift and rate?
All right, denise is with us.
Okay, we got a few.
(16:41):
Okay, you guys are consciousenough to hear this.
Then that I'm going to tell youOkay and um, here's, here's,
two things.
Uh, I had a client this was areally long time ago this is
like 11 years ago or no, no,like 10, 10 years ago and, um,
we were doing some deep traumawork together and he started to
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kind of ask his mom certainquestions.
He didn't feel ever right athome, certain things and he was
he's actually a big speaker Likeif I said his name you would
probably know who he is.
I'm not going to do that, um,but I I used to coach a lot,
like I coached different peopleand different people in fields
and um, you know, doctors andnurses and all movie stars,
broadway stars like we havecoached them all and um, uh, but
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he found out that, um, that hewasn't like.
He was like his mom wasactually raped and she decided
to keep the baby and he couldn'tunderstand why.
He always just felt this, thisfeeling like he didn't belong or
he wasn't wanted, and his momand him did deep healing
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together.
But what he got from that, likethe gift he got from that, was
he wouldn't exist, he wouldn'tbe alive without that rape and
he loves his life and he impactsso many people.
So I'm not saying rape is right.
Listen to me now.
I don't condone it.
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I think that there should beunbelievable justice for people
who do that.
But I'm also saying listen tome now.
If we go back to the principles, we are not victims of our
circumstances.
So this means, if there's aterm, and listen.
I know not everyone's going toagree with me, but I'm just is
it like I want to be myauthentic self and you know what
.
If you don't agree, that's okay.
I think that we're really quick.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, here's the beauty of this show.
Yeah, if you don't agree anddon't want to listen, you can't
tune off.
Yeah, exactly.
So basically what I'm saying isyeah.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
So I'm saying that if you have a tremendous amount of
unprocessed victimization inyour life, in your body, you are
literally creating thatvictimization, meaning you're
calling that energetic towardsyou.
I know most people don't wantto hear that.
They want to say that'sridiculous.
You know that's, you know.
But if you look at the studies,the people who choose their
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victims of rape I'm not sure ifyou guys have looked at the
studies on this, but here arethree factors of rape they feel
like the person's disconnectedfrom their reality.
They're not present.
There's no flame within here.
They're totally lost in theirmind, totally victimized.
They're slouching.
They just feel like a victim.
Right, they're in victimconsciousness and victim
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consciousness will breed morevictim scenarios and situations.
I'm not saying it's right.
I'm saying that we, that we cantake control of our destiny and
and so we can find a gift inthat.
Okay, we can find a gift.
We, we can heal.
I truly believe that we canheal anything in our lives.
It's going to take practice.
It's not easy, especiallyespecially if you've been like
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we by age eight.
Michael, we are programmed tobelieve what can and we can't do
in our life.
We are victim.
Consciousness is not justchosen by us.
It's programmed into us untilwe decide to choose differently.
Most of the listeners listeningto this have not chosen and
carefully selected their beliefsthat are driving their behavior
and they wonder why they keeprepeating the same thing over
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and over again.
Why do I keep getting sick?
I don't know.
Why don't I have the energy?
I don't know.
Why don't I just start thebusiness?
I don't know.
And why is it my keep?
I, you know I end arelationship with um, you know,
uh, jason, and then John showsup with the same issues Like
what am I?
What's going on here?
You know?
What am I not willing to lookat?
What am I not willing to see?
If you, if everybody on thispodcast, has the belief or
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listening, look, I'm in earthschool.
I'm not just here for my ownhappiness and fulfillment.
Is that a huge part of it?
Yes, but to say that there's nopain in life, to say that we
won't struggle, to say that wewon't suffer, is inauthentic.
It's not truth.
We will suffer, but we canprogram ourselves to believe
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differently and we can programnew situations, and this way
because, listen, if someonerapes and murders someone and in
my mind I see it and I'm likethey're horrible.
Look at my face.
They're horrible.
I hate them.
What am I adding to the field,michael?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You're adding emotion to it.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I'm not sure exactly what you're looking at Hate and
judgment If I'm like, how darethey, they should not have done
this, this shouldn't behappening.
I'm literally doing what thatperson is doing.
I'm saying this shouldn't bethis way, I'm judging it.
That shouldn't have happenedDoesn't mean there shouldn't be
justice, doesn't mean thereshouldn't be action.
I'm not condoning any action atall.
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What I'm saying is that yourhate and your judgment is do
it's harming the field, our loveand compassion and our
acceptance, not of the, not ofthat energy, but there is a hurt
, little boy or little girl, andlike a really hurt, unconscious
person.
You listen to me now.
You cannot hurt another soul orhuman being.
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When you're conscious, you aredeeply hurt and deeply
unconscious If you're hurtinganother soul.
We are designed to love oneanother.
We are designed to care forothers.
There's no way that you canhurt a human being in that
fashion or that way unless youare deeply hurt and disconnected
.
So I don't.
I don't feel like more judgment, more hate is going to help
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heal us.
I don't feel like carrying morehurt, more judgment, more hate
on our.
You know, it's like, like yousaid, that thing that you said
is the truest thing.
It's drinking poison andexpecting the other person to
get ill and then you'reimpacting.
Remember there's invisibleenergetic threads.
They, you know Wayne Dyer, oneof my favorite quotes is when
you change the way you look atthings, the things you look at
change.
And that's not just in ourenergetic field, that's with
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anything.
If I, if belief around moneyand I'm like you, know what
avalanches of abundance areflowing to and through me.
God's wealth flows through andto me and avalanches abundance.
All my needs, wants and desiresare met instantly by infinite
intelligence.
And then I start thinking thesethoughts my reality is going to
change pretty drastically, andso I'm just sharing this.
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Because, for those that arestill holding guard or
stubbornness or hurt in theirheart, there is never a good
reason to close your heart,because when you close your
heart, you are locking the painwithin you, you are locking it
in you, and then you decorateyour prison of pain as an.
You decorate, decorate, likeI'm going to hold onto this hurt
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and it's like.
It's like oh, by the way,michael, I have this.
I have this chalkboard where Iwrite down every list of
everything everybody's done tohurt me and everything I've done
to hurt others, and theneverything I judge in this world
, and I'm holding up this listand I'm telling you it gets
heavy and this is where physicalillness, relationships drain.
Uh, you know, it's the thinglike because God's like let me
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turn up the heat because I lovethis person too much to hold on
to all of these things.
That's why sometimes thingsfall apart.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, judgment is so exhausting it really it really
is.
I mean it is.
Judgment is one of the mostexhausting things, and holding
on to the past is exhausting andwhen you get stuck there you
don't live the life that you'remeant for.
(24:20):
I agree with everything youjust said.
You do not move forward.
All of these things are meantto learn from.
Look, I deal with people withPTSD.
How do you get rid of PTSD?
In other words, that just goingand revolving and revolving the
trauma, you break down thebelief system and you give the
gifts, if you will, or thethings you can learn from it a
(24:43):
new meaning, so you can moveforward from it in a positive,
amazing way, absolutely.
They have the table.
You break out the legs of thetable, one at a time, and create
a new belief system and youshine.
Look, I could go back.
You could go back, right, wecould go back to what our
child's got chills, go back tothe call they're called God bums
(25:07):
, right, yeah, you can go backand you could go back to you
know every, every part of yourchildhood and blame, play the
blame game and stay invictimhood.
And what good is that doing you, except for you're going to
feel connected to other peopledoing the same damn thing.
So take some of these, takesome of these skills, take some
(25:31):
of these things that Carolyn isdropping right now and re-listen
to this, make notes or takenotes.
Do what you need to do, buttake an action today to move
forward out of that victimhoodfor radical forgiveness.
This is why this was soimportant to be on here.
You know, earlier, carolyn, Igot to tell you I was literally
(25:51):
sitting there going man, weshould Joe Rogan this thing and
be on for three and a half hours, literally.
I think both of us could talkabout this for eternity, because
it's the thing that holdspeople back, probably the most
in life.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, I agree, lack of forgiveness judgment you got
to.
You know, one of the thingsthey teach in India is how to
fall in love with this moment,right now, and so meaning like
fall in love with your realityright now, it's like a
springboard to where you want togo for your vision, for your
future.
If you're judging where you arenow, you'll never get to where
you want to go.
You have to find the gift inright now, and I know that's
(26:31):
hard because you might not likewhere you're at.
You know in your relationships,your finances, in your health.
You know or or or in yourmindset or in your beliefs, and
that's okay.
You can go there.
But there is a gift in whereyou are and once you get that
gift, it's like it's likemanifestation on steroids.
It's like it's like there'slike miracles that start to
(26:51):
happen.
So, if it's okay with you,michael, I want to give your
people a book that I reallyrecommend.
It's Radical Forgiveness byColin Tipping, and he talks so
much more in detail and gives somany steps, but I'd like to
give like a five.
Just it's so simple these fivesteps to do to actually
processing this emotion,processing the PSTD, you know,
(27:13):
processing the things that arenot serving them anymore,
stopping like that loop thatthey keep going into.
Hi, emily, good to see you, andso is that okay if I share it
briefly, is that all right?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, we're got about two and a half minutes left,
but if we go over a little bit,it's okay.
We do on the floor, so go forit.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Okay, sounds good, all right.
So one tell your story.
Feel the anger, betrayal orgrief.
Be honest, don't skip this part.
So so, so I'm not just tellingyou don't be a victim, screw
your feelings.
You know I'm saying the biggestvictims can be the biggest gift
bringers once that energy istransformed.
(27:53):
So fully go into it.
Number two feel the feelings.
Okay, allow the emotions tomove through you without
judgment.
Don't attach to it.
Number three collapse the story.
Realize that your perspective ofthe story isn't the whole story
.
Your mind deletes and distortsover time.
So something that happened inyour childhood might not have
(28:13):
actually happened because yourmind has deleted and distorted
it.
It disorganizes it over time.
And so if you can understand,oh, maybe, hey, vanu, hey
gorgeous.
So maybe if we can understandthat our mind is doing this,
then oh, okay, well, maybe theway I'm seeing it isn't the
whole truth, maybe it's not ahundred percent true.
Number four reframe the story.
(28:35):
This is really important.
See the person or the eventthat happened as a part of your
spiritual path.
Okay, everything in your lifeis a spiritual path.
I truly believe that.
I believe we are souls.
I don't believe I'm justCarolyn living this life.
You know this 40 year old momor wife, or however I see myself
, or coach, I am a soul.
(28:55):
I don't believe Michael.
You're just this extraordinarypodcast host, changing people's
lives and sharing this withpeople and loving on people with
your kind heart.
There is a spirit and a souldriving you to help veterans not
just veterans, but anyone whohas the desire to upgrade their
frequency, upgrade theirthoughts, upgrade their life.
And so, number five integrateand release.
(29:19):
Accept with gratitude andrelease it Meaning okay, I
accept this lesson.
I don't have to relearn thislesson.
I don't want this lesson tocome twice in my life.
Like I got the gift of it.
Like how many times say yes inthe chat?
If you guys have ever been in aplace where you're like oh I,
this has happened before, Ishould have known better.
Well, you didn't get the lesson.
And that's where this yeah,right, me too.
(29:41):
We've all been there, and sothis is where self-reflection is
really powerful.
I, I, I know there's like a lotof coaches say yes in the
comments.
I know a lot of coaches andhealers and are on here today
and I just want to say I honor,I honor all of you and and
Michael, you too, you're a coachas well, like I.
I honor you guys.
(30:01):
We are the, we are the like, weare the flame.
There's a flame inside ourchest and we get to bring that
to people every day through ourpresence and through our love,
through our compassion.
And you know, they say that thekindest people are actually the
most intelligent people, thestrongest person is actually the
most gentle person, and so inour lives, if you apply these
(30:24):
principles that I just shared,it's powerful for transforming
judgment, blame, anger andresentment into this clarity and
peace and and just reverencefor your life.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Absolutely, absolutely, and thank you for
sharing that.
Um, you know I, we don't, okay,should we just go another 30
minutes?
I'm totally joking.
There's just so much to talkabout with this and and we'll
have you back on, obviously, anddive in even more with
something else amazing.
So you know, with that said,you know again, please listen to
(30:56):
this again, take notes, youknow, take the action steps and
take it now, because that 2%shift today, not tomorrow, not
starting on Monday.
Start now, because Mondayyou'll be different, a year from
now you'll be different.
A year from now You'll bedifferent.
But if you just sit there andlisten to it and move on, or
don't move on, and or just moveon and don't, don't take an
(31:19):
action step, you're stuck.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, what he just said man, I hope they just took
what you said.
So Oprah says this and I, and Ilove this.
I think it is so true in ourlives.
Tell me yes in the chat, if youagree with me.
Awareness is one thing, actionis another.
You can have an awareness andnot take action on it.
Does that make sense?
And we love you, we love you,cindy too.
And so that ability just to say, ok, you know what, I'm going
(31:51):
to take some action.
So this would, it could be,after you listen to this, maybe
you clean up a relationship thatyou and you don't even look.
You don't need that person toapologize, you or see your
perspective to forgive.
In fact, guess what?
I had this one, one person, uh,michael, who they they're?
They didn't talk to theirbrother for 10 years and they
did the process that I just toldyou guys to do their brother
reached out to them andapologized to them out of the
(32:11):
blue after 10 years.
So I'm telling you, when youchange this internal landscape,
your outer landscape cannot staythe same.
It's an energetic thread.
So, yes, I get excited, I getpassionate, because this work
has changed my life andcountless other lives.
So, yes, thank you for havingme on.
(32:32):
Michael, you are such a joy togo back and forth with
Absolutely, and you know what.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I'm just going to share this real quick and we'll
get out of here.
My life changed because of thiswork.
You know, a couple of years ago, when I joined the Neuron
Coding Institute, I was goingwhat do I want to do when I grow
up?
Because I've been in the sameindustry and still am for 37
years or something like that.
Don't add up the dates, I'm old, but you know what this work
(33:03):
and just helping people fillsthe cup.
Every day it fills the cup.
And here's the other thing aboutthe energetic field I want to
dive in real quick.
When you start doing the rightthings and your integrity is in
line with who you are, it comesto you.
You don't have to go searchingfor it.
Those people that are buildingenergy, their lives, their,
(33:28):
their, their stories, it, it, itcomes to you.
Look, I I didn't know, carolyn,before.
Come on people.
You know all these amazingpeople and what they've been
saying on here.
I didn't know most of thesepeople and it's amazing how that
energy brings back and again,the work fills your cup, man.
(33:50):
So we're both so passionateabout this.
Thank you, carolyn, so much forbeing on here.
We're so past time but we stillneed to do.
How do people reach you?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
First of all, oh, yes , well, you can private message
me on Facebook.
Carolyn Ozino is my Facebookname.
That's a great way I do.
I'm doing a free healingsession in about a month and a
half.
You can join that.
Um, we have events coming up,uh.
But, yeah, right on my Facebookpage is the best way to reach
me.
Uh, through message and and Ican get I can even get on a call
with your uh, some of yourpeople and really support them,
(34:23):
um, and and share some programsand offerings that we have if
they're interested in movingforward with it.
Um, I, I already see some of mypeople on here, but there is one
thing I wanted to say aboutwhat you just said, which is be
the rose that blooms.
A rose doesn't uproot and gochasing the bee.
A rose stays rooted and justblooms, and then the bees come
(34:44):
to it.
So I loved what you're saying.
It's really about getting intoalignment and then blooming, and
then the right people find you,just like today.
So, thank you guys.
I would love for you guys alsoto share this out.
There are people out there thatneed that, that, like are
hurting in their heart.
I, I cannot even tell you howmany people I've worked with you
don't know the state thatpeople are in.
They need thank you so much.
(35:05):
They they need this healingwork in their hearts Like it's
really they need it and and andso even just watching this can
transform a heart, transform alife.
Your energy, michael, and your,I will say this your passion
for wanting to help people andyour authenticity, your
integrity.
But I really feel like you, you, you really want to help people
(35:26):
.
I really feel that in your, inyour soul and your heart.
So thank you for having me onso much.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Absolutely, and we're going to close out with three
tips to get veterans and theirfamilies further faster.
We're not done yet.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Oh, we are.
I get three more tips Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Three tips to get veterans further, faster, and
their families of course.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
How to further faster in your family, I think, the
tips that I shared in thebeginning.
You know, we might notunderstand why someone's acting
the way they're acting like ahusband or a wife or a friend or
a family member but I would say, seeing your part in it when
you're judging another person.
What's my part in this?
Yes, hi, debra, what's my partin this?
(36:05):
Because we're set up to kind oflook, oh, you know, sometimes
what God will do is whatever weneed to heal within us, he'll
show us in another person andthen we get to judge it on the
outside and then we get to healit on the inside, right.
And so I would say the onething is see how you play a role
and a part in the drama and thechallenges that you're facing
(36:28):
in your life.
Really believe, really get.
Number two is really get rootedin the belief that you're
facing in your life, reallybelieve, really get.
Number two is really get rootedin the belief that your
thoughts create your reality.
If you can root in that,especially with this podcast,
literally the name is yourThoughts, your Reality Podcast,
because your thoughts, you thinka thought long enough and hard
enough, it's gonna create abelief.
That belief creates a behaviorand that creates your destiny.
(36:48):
So if you know that, get rootedin it.
Then belief creates a behaviorand that creates your destiny.
So if you know that, get rootedin it, then you'll actually
start to.
Because if you don't practiceyour thoughts, your states of
consciousness, how you want tobe daily, that means there's
some part of you that doesn'tbelieve that your thoughts
create your reality.
So get rooted in that beliefthat your thoughts create
reality.
Number three appreciate and seewhat's working in your life
right now.
I cannot I think this isprobably the most important
(37:10):
thing appreciate and see what'sworking in your life right now
as much as you possibly can.
Your awareness is currency,your attention is currency and
so, okay, I can.
I can, I can focus on what'snot working or what I didn't
like or all these things, or Ican practice and program myself
to say, well, what do Iappreciate about this?
Doesn't mean I don't have tomake changes, doesn't mean I
(37:31):
can't set boundaries.
But where was the gift?
How can I change to a moreoptimistic point of view in my
life?
You know, cause a negative in anegative mindset, negative
thoughts really do break downyour body and and so and and I
would say, for every interactionyou have with someone in
relationships, for everynegative in your reaction, you
(37:51):
should have five positive ones.
Okay, my friends.
And so, yeah, it is the biggestshift.
Um and so take that and um, I Ialso have.
I know this sounds so strange,but if you guys want to put it
in the chat, I have a word thatI say that breaks my pattern.
If I'm in like a negativethought, this doesn't have to be
your word, my word's pineapple.
(38:11):
Whenever like, I'm like man, Iam in like a like not a great
place right now, like I feellike I'm looping, I'm in a hell
loop.
I'm seeing a situation I'mattaching a meaning, I'm judging
myself or a person, or oh, youshould have done this, you
should have done better.
Whatever it is, I'm likepineapple, you know it like
snaps me out of it, it's like apattern break, and pattern
(38:32):
breaks work.
So I would say choose a word andmake it funny.
I had someone today that saidum, I want my word to be far
from Nugent, or I want my wordto be fudge, or it does, you
know, make it silly, you know.
Or I had one person was likeI'm just going to meow and they
were like whenever they're inthat loop.
I know that sounds crazy, butthat humor is going to change
(38:53):
your brain chemistry.
It makes it a little bitlighter when we're so solid in
our perspectives.
Really, you're deadlocking theuniverse and God out from change
, creating change in your lifeand and so, yeah, I totally
agree with you and I'm sograteful for all of you.
On yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And again, thank you for all the comments and
everybody being on here today,so I just have to share.
My word is going to be Jumanji.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I love that Jumanji.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You know, what's funny is when you do that and
you do that counter-interrupt,and I do the same thing, and
then I just think of somethingI'm grateful for, because you
can't be upset and grateful atthe same time.
Right, and it can be.
I brush my teeth today and begoofy about it, it doesn't
matter.
Just something to put in thateschatoma when you do that
pattern, interrupt to lift andchange your physiology and just
(39:48):
lift you out of that placeBecause it's easy to jump right
back into it.
Right, to some extent.
But when you're talkingpineapple, I don't know that I
could jump back into it.
It's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I would love for everyone to put a word in the
chat.
Amy Jo Morris says I reallyneed a pattern, and yeah, you
ruminate a lot on that.
So put a word in the chat rightnow.
Choose it now, don't wait tilllater, you won't later, you
won't later.
Get a word right now and thentry it for three times today.
You know, and and it reallydoes just take a little bit of
practice, and everyone listenedto me.
Now, whatever you're practicingis growing stronger.
(40:22):
Well, you know, if, if you getpushed, whatever's, whatever, if
, if I'm holding this andthere's coffee in the cup, you
know whatever's in my cup isgoing to spell out if it's
coffee, it's going to be coffee,it's tea, it's going to be
water.
I love it.
Debra says abracadabra, that'sa great one, and uh, but so if I
, if I'm filling myself up withdoubt, with hate, with judgment,
with um, you know, should, andoh, I lost my chance, I mean and
all these negative thoughts,once I get pushed by someone,
(40:45):
all that's going to spill out,does that make sense?
Because life is going to pushyou sometimes and then.
So that's why these, thesepodcasts, listening to these
podcasts or or finding thesepractices that you can do on a
daily basis.
I love these words.
These are really funny words.
I love it.
And so our ability to be ableto say you know, okay, I, I can
(41:10):
practice this word, I canpractice this pattern, break, I,
I can.
And here's where I'm going totell you this I find God.
I find God, my can.
You can say if you don'tbelieve in God, say universe,
joy, love, whatever you believein.
I find God in the space inbetween my thoughts.
I am not my thoughts, you arenot your thoughts.
(41:31):
And so when you can just getstill, because there's so much
stimulation, there's so muchcomparison.
But I promise you, once you getthe guy, once you get the girl,
once you get the money, onceyou get the things you want,
you're still going to be you.
And guess what?
After a brief celebration,you're going to be like what's
next?
I want more.
And so it's so beautiful,because then we can enjoy the
(41:55):
right now and and, and.
So my destination in my life isno longer a place.
It's a new way of seeing theworld, because through new eyes,
I live a new life, um, and Iget to.
I get to close my eyes each dayand practice silent meditation
and find God in the space inbetween my thoughts, and then I
can carefully choose oh, thatwasn't an aligned thought.
(42:17):
What's another thought thatwould be relief for me.
So if I'm like, oh, I'm so madat this person, god, I can't
believe they did that to me.
I could be like, well, whatcould I see that I did to them,
maybe.
And then there's like a littlebit of relief there, and then
there's even more relief, andthen can I be a hundred percent
sure and assume that they'rethinking of this is truth.
This is going to be a hundredpercent sure, you know.
(42:39):
And so reach for relief, becausesometimes going from fear to
gratitude is a very huge leap.
But I can tell you you can doit.
I love what you said.
I do believe gratitude is theantidote to fear.
But some people might be in aplace where they're like I can't
get to gratitude, I'm so afraidright now.
But you know what's a littlebit more powerful than powerful?
(43:00):
You know, powerlessness andfear is anger, and then, a
little bit above that, would befeeling sadness, and then a
little bit of that is, you know,peace or whatever, and so so
now we're going up the scale,you know of frustration.
Okay, now, now we're gettingsome energy and then you can get
to that joy.
So reach for relief today inyour thoughts and then reach for
(43:20):
that space in between thethoughts and find God, find what
you believe in.
It'll be there.
I promise you're not.
We get so wrapped up in that weare, you know, are what's
happened to us, or what we'regoing to do, or what we've been.
You are eternity.
We are eternity living in thislife.
This is so precious, it's sosacred.
(43:43):
I get so emotional thinkingabout my existence.
I'm a spirit, I'm a soul livingin this body.
I have this body that I get toexperience the gift of life.
And I'm not always, I don'talways feel like this, but I
practice as much as I can,moving into a state of reverence
for my life, because reverenceis very close to God.
(44:06):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Amen, and you know it's it's.
It's okay to be passionate andemotional.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
You're telling me people that way.
I always believe that when youshow your true soul, that's when
, that's when connections aremade.
My friend, so um with that said, you're almost at Joseph
McClendon time With that saidyou're almost at Joseph
McClendon time.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
I can't be my mentor.
I don't want to do that to him.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
It is all good, hey, so everybody, thank you again
for joining us.
Carolyn, you're always anamazing light in this world.
Thank you for shining so bright.
I love having you on every time, so you know, with that said,
though, we do need to go.
So, um, okay, awesome, yeah,thank you everybody for joining
(45:00):
and, uh, tell Jason we love him,please I will.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, and you know what I would say to everyone
post one takeaway you got.
I don't care if it's onesentence or one.
Joseph McLennan always saysthis, and so does Tony Robbins.
They will say don't leave thesite without writing down an
anchor or what you learned fromlistening to something.
I'm telling you.
We wouldn't tell you thisunless it worked.
This is neuro encoding at itsfinest.
Write down what you got from it, like even if it's just a
(45:28):
comment in here.
Oh, you know what I reallyresonated with um.
You know, you know forgivenessisn't condoning.
Or I really resonated with thespace in between.
Just write anything that issticking in your mind, or any
lesson or wisdom or somethingthat you're going to apply to
your life.
Uh, because that that will helpanchor in the lesson and the
wisdom you just learned.
So it doesn't just go in andout.
Let it cultivate, let it sit.
(45:49):
So, yes, see the world with neweyes.
Beautiful, all right, great.
Thank you, michael.
I know we have to go.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Last thing when you do that, celebrate it, shake
your ass, pat yourself on theback and smile.
Let's go.
All right, everybody, we areout of here.
Thank you, bye.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Thank you for joining us on another insightful
journey of your Thoughts yourReality podcast with your host,
michael Cole.
We hope the conversationsparked some thoughts that
resonate with you.
To dive deeper into empoweringyour thoughts and enhancing your
reality, visitempowerperformancestrategiescom.
Remember your thoughts shapeyour reality, so make them count
(46:33):
.
Until next time, stay inspiredand keep creating the reality
you desire.
Catch you on the next episode.
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intricate pathways ofpost-deployment life.
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Join him as we delve into theprofound realm of neuroencoding
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Hello, hello, hello everybody.
So we have the amazing CarolynAzuna back on today.
She's a renowned coach, mentorand energy healer with over a
decade of experience.
Has worked alongside toptransformational leaders such as
Joseph McClellan III Dr JasonAzuna top transformational
leaders such as Joseph McLennanIII Dr Jason Azuna.
She specializes in helpingpeople release deep, deep
(01:08):
emotions and forgiveness and allof the great things we're
talking about today and as anexpert in radical forgiveness,
showing how unresolved pain canaffect finances, relationships
and especially, health.
So we're going to jump on in,carolyn, why don't you tell us a
little bit more about yourselfbefore we get started?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, I'd love to do that.
I'd love for anyone watchinglive, or even anyone watching
the recording, to post.
Hi, susan, how you doing?
Post one thing you're gratefulfor.
I always just like to start itoff, even the searching, and
something to be grateful for ishelping you in this whole show,
that you have your thoughts.
Your reality is that we cancontrol our destiny, that we can
(01:46):
truly heal, you know, and so Ialways like to start off every
everything that I do with alittle bit of gratitude.
But, yes, I have been doingthis for 11 years now, believe
it or not.
I started this work back in 2014and you know where I was, was I
was, you know, living in mysister's basement, going through
a horrible divorce, and youknow where I was, was I was, you
know, living in my sister'sbasement, going through a
horrible divorce, and you knowwhere I am now is, you know,
(02:10):
have created a multimilliondollar business.
I have met my soulmate and wehave a beautiful, passionate,
loving marriage, hosting events,coaching people, impacting
influence.
You know, my life is barelyrecognizable from what it was,
and I'm excited about thispodcast because, on this podcast
, I'm going to give theseviewers exactly the tools that I
(02:33):
used and really leave them withsome lasting like actually
step-by-step things, like notjust talking.
We're not just going to betalking, I'm actually.
I have a list of tools that Iwant to give to them that they
can start practicing right away.
That will drastically changetheir thoughts and their reality
.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
We're excited so and we're going to dive into those
tools and you know it's, I'mjust going to say it.
So, Carolyn, don't listen for aminute.
Carolyn is amazing, Okay.
I mean, I've known her for acouple of years now.
We're in different groupstogether and so on.
She really does some of themost amazing, beautiful work
with people.
It just this is a treat for youguys, so, and she's doing a
(03:14):
little bit different today we'regoing through actual steps and
we're going to go through anddive in.
So, before we really dive in,just want to get everybody lined
up with.
On the top right hand corner ofthe screen, there's a blue QR
code.
It takes you toempowerperformingstrategiescom
Again, for people listeninglater on
empowerperformingstrategiescom,we have free ebooks and
(03:37):
trainings and Facebook groupsfor both veterans and their
families.
So please become part of ourmission, become part of our
family.
So, with that said, Carolyn,let's just start off with.
Many people think forgivenessis about letting someone else
off the hook, which is so notthe case, and I think that's why
people struggle with it.
(03:59):
They really struggle with.
Oh no, that wasn't right.
It's not about forgiving theact, right?
Talk to us more about that.
Let's start there.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
If we can Right.
And so I think people reallyget confused with forgiveness
because they think forgivenessmeans condoning or that they're
okay with the behavior that wasdone to them or that they did to
others, because forgivenessisn't just for other people.
Say yes in the comments ifyou've also been hard on
yourself or felt guilty aboutthings or had trouble.
Oh, I should have done thatdifferently, or I wish I would
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have been different, or you didthe best that you could.
You know we should eliminatethe word should from our
vocabulary, because if you wouldhave known better, you would
have done better.
And so I think people reallyhave this skewed concept of what
forgiveness can do in your life, skewed concept of what
forgiveness can do in your life.
And I know many of my teachers,including the ones in you know.
(04:52):
Even I've traveled to India andworked with monks and one of
the first, like, the traditionalpiece, is forgiveness.
But I want to get you to aplace and most people have
trouble with this right Likethere's certain steps to get to,
but the step that I would likeeveryone to be at, michael, is
that there's nothing to forgive,and then the step beyond that
is grateful for what happened,and that's a huge leap for most
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people.
Most people in their lives willnever get there because they
won't be able to see the gift orthe wisdom that came from that
challenging situations.
I'm not saying what happened toyou was right.
I'm not condoning anyone'sbehavior.
I'm not saying what happened toyou was right.
I'm not saying I'm notcondoning anyone's behavior.
I'm not saying there shouldn'tbe justice uh, you know or
consequences when these thingshappen.
Does that make sense?
(05:33):
What I'm saying, and and and.
I have these written down,cause I wanted to be really
click crystal clear.
Yes, thank you Susan.
Yes, everyone watching, pleaseput yes in the chat.
The more you participate, themore you engage, the more you
share this out, the more you'regoing to get off of this.
And so the first core principleof this radical forgiveness
(05:53):
that I'm talking about isnothing happens by accident.
Okay, so everything, even thepainful, unjust, traumatic
events in our life, serves as aspiritual purpose.
Until you no longer at thatconsciousness level anymore,
there's some type of learning orlesson.
If there's toxicity or dramawithin you, you are going to
(06:15):
attract that.
Does that make sense?
Until you say, okay, enough ofthis.
Where's my gift in this?
How can I see this as my mirror.
Oh, this person is controlling.
Where am I controlling in mylife?
Oh, I'm judgmental on thisperson.
I remember when I first met myhusband I was like you're the
most judgmental person I've evermet.
And he's like that means you'rethe most judgmental person.
(06:35):
And I had so much trouble withthat concept until I started to
put these things, these fivethings if I can give them to you
and then we can ask anotherquestion.
But the second principle iswe're not victims.
We are not victims, and when itdoes, look you, the radical
forgiveness principle says look,go into your victimness for a
(06:57):
little bit.
You know, just tell the story,because that's going to validate
it, that's going to tune in soyou can actually feel it, let it
flow and free it and release it, but don't stay stuck in that
story.
Listen to me now, guys.
This is so true Any more than90 seconds to five minutes in an
emotion, a feeling, an emotion,you're not actually feeling an
emotion, you're stuck in a story.
(07:18):
Okay, and this is reallypowerful because we can take our
power back If we know.
You know what I'm notprocessing.
When I say I'm processing this,that means I'm stuck.
I'm stuck in a story, I'm in mymind and I'm in like a hell
loop that keeps replaying, andso this is where we're at Right,
exactly.
And so people in experiencethat hurt us are often, you know
(07:39):
, soul contracts or there's aspiritual reason behind it.
I just I cannot believe that wewill experience pain in our
life for no reason, just justbecause there's something here,
there's some gift in it.
Even the most horrendous thingsthere, there can be a gift
behind it, like my divorce washorrible 11 years ago.
I don't wish a divorce onanyone.
(08:01):
It is, you know, it's like it'slike dying, it's like losing a
part of yourself because youlose who you were with that
person, and and and, and.
But I, so I don't wish that onanyone.
But it brought me such gifts.
It brought me to Jason.
It brought me to um a life thatI I didn't even know was
possible.
Um, you know, once I wasfinally able to see through my
(08:23):
victimization, see through myown story.
So the second things.
So, number two we're notvictims and everything that's
happening in our outer realityis reflecting what we need to
heal and grow.
Number three feel it fully,don't bypass it.
No more than 90 seconds to fiveminutes, and this takes
practice, right?
How often?
Say yes in the comments if youguys have ever experienced a
(08:45):
situation where you stay in itlonger than five minutes.
I did this this past week.
I was in it for like threehours.
I was totally stuck, my energywas drained and I was like
replaying this scenario over andover and over again, the way I
thought it should be versus theway it was, and all of these
things, and it drains us.
It drains us.
Okay and um and I'm passionateabout this because this works so
(09:08):
, uh, radical forgiveness, orit's not about, you know,
spiritually bypassing your pain,pain.
It's about feeling it withawareness and then shifting the
meaning you're attaching to whathappened.
Okay, step number three fullyfeel it, don't bypass it.
You know what?
What if I could just feel myanger without attaching the
meaning or where it come from?
You know, can't you experiencemagic or passion or life without
(09:32):
needing to know how or whyyou're, when you're needing to
know how or why, you're still inyour mind?
Just okay, I feel angry, I'mfrustrated, or you know what?
I feel joy.
Let me fully feel it, withoutsuppressing it.
You know what?
I don't want to feel too good,because if I feel too good, what
if the other shoe drops right?
It's energy both ways.
And so number four is healinghappens through acceptance, not
(09:55):
analysis.
Healing happens throughacceptance, and I think people
miss this and they overthink andthey overattach and all of
these things.
You don't need to understandevery detail mentally or figure
it out.
You just need to be willing tosee it differently.
That's it, you know, you justneed to step outside just a
little bit, because what happensis when you lock yourself into
(10:17):
one perspective.
I cannot even tell you the lowenergy that you are in.
The person listening.
Now, guys, the person with themost perspectives wins.
If I can see from Michael'spoint of view, if I can see from
my view, I can see from Susan'sview and I can see from God's
view, and then I have all thesemultiple perspectives.
It's healing.
And then life happens.
(10:37):
And number five, the forget.
This is like the most importantone.
I think the forgiveness is notfor them, it is for you.
You know, I I saw this thingonline and I don't care if you
guys agree with me or not, Idon't believe this.
I think I heard Taylor Swift orI think I heard a doctor saying
don't forgive them, don'tforgive them, you know, just
just don't forget.
(10:58):
And I was like this is likethat is coming from a wounded
place.
Because here's the deal.
Cindy, what's up?
Beautiful, hello, yes, it's allabout perspective, but there's
an energetic thread between usand everyone that you've known,
know now or will ever know.
Trust me on this.
And so every time you feeldrained, that could literally be
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someone thinking about you.
We are impacting people, you.
We have more impact on thisenergetic field, on our lives,
than we could ever measure orimagine truly.
And so this one is veryparticular because it says it's
not for them, it's for you.
Claim that forgiveness, likeyou know what, I'm not going to
stay in my hurt, because whenyou stay in your hurt, when you
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stay in your wounds, when youstay in that lack of forgiveness
, I want you guys to imagine itwould be like me walking around
holding a suitcase all day long.
No, this is my hurt, michael, Ineed to take this with me.
Okay, this gives me uncertaintyand a pattern and emotions that
I'm super used to andconditioned to.
Okay, so I just want to holdonto this.
(12:02):
I know it hurts my arm.
I know it hurts my arm.
I know it hurts, I know it'sheavy, but I'm going to carry it
.
Why are we doing this?
Just because you can't see itdoesn't mean it's not heavy, my
friends.
And so those are the five, justto get started on forgiveness.
Those are five tools so that Iwould immediately start to apply
to my own life, and fivebeliefs like, integrate these
(12:22):
beliefs into your life.
And when you change yourthoughts and I know you believe
this this whole podcast ischange your thoughts, you change
your reality.
Tiny shifts in our thinkingcreate mammoth shifts in our
reality.
So, if we truly believe, ifeveryone listening believes my
thoughts create my reality,because my thoughts create my
beliefs, and then my beliefscreate my behavior and my
behavior creates my destiny.
Oh, I'm passionate about thisbecause I know if those four
(12:44):
things line up, you're going tochange and your life is going to
change drastically.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Absolutely.
And so, hey guys, we're donefor the day, no wait.
I have more stuff.
I have two more questions.
I think my dear friend hasdropped enough bombs and golden
nuggets.
That it's enough.
I don't think anybody could takemore amazing thoughts right now
(13:10):
.
I joke, I joke.
Obviously we're only halfwaythrough, so I want to dive into
a couple of things and I'm noteven going questions.
Let's just talk, because youknow how this works.
I ask a question, I'm done.
It's organic conversationbecause that's what I believe in
.
So, with that said, and I gotcomments blowing up right now, I
can't keep up with them, so Ican't do everything.
(13:31):
So listen, so I've always no, Ishouldn't say that Since I was
probably 30 years old, I havehad a different perspective on
forgiveness than most people.
I believe that, and it's withmyself and it's with other
people, and I want to get yourthoughts on this as well.
Yeah, because everything you'vealready said hits totally home
(13:54):
with me.
So people are doing the bestthey can for who they are at the
time where they are right andwhen you really think about that
, it's so simple, because aren'twe all at the time doing the
best we can for who we are?
I mean it doesn't mean I'mforgiving that person for doing
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something you know stupid.
I mean there are things thatare hard, and I want to get into
the hard ones with you, carolyn, because I know you're going to
be amazing at this, but how,how simplified assassinating
complexity with forgiveness canthat be?
Because all we're doing is isyou know, there's sayings out
there, obviously, my wife saysit all the time is you're
(14:37):
drinking the poison, expectingsomeone else to die.
And that's what forgiveness, tome, is really about.
It's about, like you said, it'sfor you, it's for healing for
you, because it is an energysucker from hell.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And when you're sitting there, judgmental or
whatever the case may be likewith somebody against somebody
else, yeah, forgive, move on foryourself.
And this is where I want to getinto.
You know, people talk aboutfinding the gift, and I am the
biggest believer in this.
You know, find, find what youlearn from so you grow and you
(15:14):
move on and you're a betterperson and all the beautiful
things that come from thatalignment.
There's rape, there's murder.
People say how do you find agift in that?
How can you possibly find agift or something to learn from
that?
I want you to talk about thatbecause it's a tough one,
because it's easier for peopleto say, oh well, they messed up
my coffee.
I can forgive them for that.
(15:34):
But the ones that people holdon with the trauma and guys
trauma, in my opinion, heretrauma is generally a one-time
event that just recycles becauseyou haven't let it go, and
that's why it builds and buildsand builds and ruins people's
lives.
I coach people with this allthe time, so give us thoughts on
(15:55):
that, if you will.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Absolutely.
So I'm going to share twothings and can your viewers or
anyone's watching, can you guys,say yes in the chat if you're
open to new perspectives,because I feel like I might
trigger some people and I knowthat's okay.
These, the things that we'resharing, um, are for very highly
conscious people and people whoare open to different
perspectives.
I can tell right away, um, ifsomeone's open.
(16:20):
So I would just what's new toknow?
Susan's open, okay, do we haveanyone else that's open to new?
Yes, okay, we got.
We got a Cindy on board.
Who else can we get on boardhere?
Just say yes.
And because this is reallyimportant in terms of um, where
I'm going to take you guys, so,first, how do we, how would we
even find the gift and rate?
All right, denise is with us.
Okay, we got a few.
(16:41):
Okay, you guys are consciousenough to hear this.
Then that I'm going to tell youOkay and um, here's, here's,
two things.
Uh, I had a client this was areally long time ago this is
like 11 years ago or no, no,like 10, 10 years ago and, um,
we were doing some deep traumawork together and he started to
(17:01):
kind of ask his mom certainquestions.
He didn't feel ever right athome, certain things and he was
he's actually a big speaker Likeif I said his name you would
probably know who he is.
I'm not going to do that, um,but I I used to coach a lot,
like I coached different peopleand different people in fields
and um, you know, doctors andnurses and all movie stars,
broadway stars like we havecoached them all and um, uh, but
(17:26):
he found out that, um, that hewasn't like.
He was like his mom wasactually raped and she decided
to keep the baby and he couldn'tunderstand why.
He always just felt this, thisfeeling like he didn't belong or
he wasn't wanted, and his momand him did deep healing
(17:46):
together.
But what he got from that, likethe gift he got from that, was
he wouldn't exist, he wouldn'tbe alive without that rape and
he loves his life and he impactsso many people.
So I'm not saying rape is right.
Listen to me now.
I don't condone it.
(18:06):
I think that there should beunbelievable justice for people
who do that.
But I'm also saying listen tome now.
If we go back to the principles, we are not victims of our
circumstances.
So this means, if there's aterm, and listen.
I know not everyone's going toagree with me, but I'm just is
it like I want to be myauthentic self and you know what
.
If you don't agree, that's okay.
I think that we're really quick.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, here's the beauty of this show.
Yeah, if you don't agree anddon't want to listen, you can't
tune off.
Yeah, exactly.
So basically what I'm saying isyeah.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
So I'm saying that if you have a tremendous amount of
unprocessed victimization inyour life, in your body, you are
literally creating thatvictimization, meaning you're
calling that energetic towardsyou.
I know most people don't wantto hear that.
They want to say that'sridiculous.
You know that's, you know.
But if you look at the studies,the people who choose their
(19:02):
victims of rape I'm not sure ifyou guys have looked at the
studies on this, but here arethree factors of rape they feel
like the person's disconnectedfrom their reality.
They're not present.
There's no flame within here.
They're totally lost in theirmind, totally victimized.
They're slouching.
They just feel like a victim.
Right, they're in victimconsciousness and victim
(19:23):
consciousness will breed morevictim scenarios and situations.
I'm not saying it's right.
I'm saying that we, that we cantake control of our destiny and
and so we can find a gift inthat.
Okay, we can find a gift.
We, we can heal.
I truly believe that we canheal anything in our lives.
It's going to take practice.
It's not easy, especiallyespecially if you've been like
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we by age eight.
Michael, we are programmed tobelieve what can and we can't do
in our life.
We are victim.
Consciousness is not justchosen by us.
It's programmed into us untilwe decide to choose differently.
Most of the listeners listeningto this have not chosen and
carefully selected their beliefsthat are driving their behavior
and they wonder why they keeprepeating the same thing over
(20:10):
and over again.
Why do I keep getting sick?
I don't know.
Why don't I have the energy?
I don't know.
Why don't I just start thebusiness?
I don't know.
And why is it my keep?
I, you know I end arelationship with um, you know,
uh, jason, and then John showsup with the same issues Like
what am I?
What's going on here?
You know?
What am I not willing to lookat?
What am I not willing to see?
If you, if everybody on thispodcast, has the belief or
(20:34):
listening, look, I'm in earthschool.
I'm not just here for my ownhappiness and fulfillment.
Is that a huge part of it?
Yes, but to say that there's nopain in life, to say that we
won't struggle, to say that wewon't suffer, is inauthentic.
It's not truth.
We will suffer, but we canprogram ourselves to believe
(20:54):
differently and we can programnew situations, and this way
because, listen, if someonerapes and murders someone and in
my mind I see it and I'm likethey're horrible.
Look at my face.
They're horrible.
I hate them.
What am I adding to the field,michael?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You're adding emotion to it.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I'm not sure exactly what you're looking at Hate and
judgment If I'm like, how darethey, they should not have done
this, this shouldn't behappening.
I'm literally doing what thatperson is doing.
I'm saying this shouldn't bethis way, I'm judging it.
That shouldn't have happenedDoesn't mean there shouldn't be
justice, doesn't mean thereshouldn't be action.
I'm not condoning any action atall.
(21:36):
What I'm saying is that yourhate and your judgment is do
it's harming the field, our loveand compassion and our
acceptance, not of the, not ofthat energy, but there is a hurt
, little boy or little girl, andlike a really hurt, unconscious
person.
You listen to me now.
You cannot hurt another soul orhuman being.
(21:58):
When you're conscious, you aredeeply hurt and deeply
unconscious If you're hurtinganother soul.
We are designed to love oneanother.
We are designed to care forothers.
There's no way that you canhurt a human being in that
fashion or that way unless youare deeply hurt and disconnected
.
So I don't.
I don't feel like more judgment, more hate is going to help
(22:22):
heal us.
I don't feel like carrying morehurt, more judgment, more hate
on our.
You know, it's like, like yousaid, that thing that you said
is the truest thing.
It's drinking poison andexpecting the other person to
get ill and then you'reimpacting.
Remember there's invisibleenergetic threads.
They, you know Wayne Dyer, oneof my favorite quotes is when
you change the way you look atthings, the things you look at
change.
And that's not just in ourenergetic field, that's with
(22:47):
anything.
If I, if belief around moneyand I'm like you, know what
avalanches of abundance areflowing to and through me.
God's wealth flows through andto me and avalanches abundance.
All my needs, wants and desiresare met instantly by infinite
intelligence.
And then I start thinking thesethoughts my reality is going to
change pretty drastically, andso I'm just sharing this.
(23:09):
Because, for those that arestill holding guard or
stubbornness or hurt in theirheart, there is never a good
reason to close your heart,because when you close your
heart, you are locking the painwithin you, you are locking it
in you, and then you decorateyour prison of pain as an.
You decorate, decorate, likeI'm going to hold onto this hurt
(23:31):
and it's like.
It's like oh, by the way,michael, I have this.
I have this chalkboard where Iwrite down every list of
everything everybody's done tohurt me and everything I've done
to hurt others, and theneverything I judge in this world
, and I'm holding up this listand I'm telling you it gets
heavy and this is where physicalillness, relationships drain.
Uh, you know, it's the thinglike because God's like let me
(23:51):
turn up the heat because I lovethis person too much to hold on
to all of these things.
That's why sometimes thingsfall apart.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, judgment is so exhausting it really it really
is.
I mean it is.
Judgment is one of the mostexhausting things, and holding
on to the past is exhausting andwhen you get stuck there you
don't live the life that you'remeant for.
(24:20):
I agree with everything youjust said.
You do not move forward.
All of these things are meantto learn from.
Look, I deal with people withPTSD.
How do you get rid of PTSD?
In other words, that just goingand revolving and revolving the
trauma, you break down thebelief system and you give the
gifts, if you will, or thethings you can learn from it a
(24:43):
new meaning, so you can moveforward from it in a positive,
amazing way, absolutely.
They have the table.
You break out the legs of thetable, one at a time, and create
a new belief system and youshine.
Look, I could go back.
You could go back, right, wecould go back to what our
child's got chills, go back tothe call they're called God bums
(25:07):
, right, yeah, you can go backand you could go back to you
know every, every part of yourchildhood and blame, play the
blame game and stay invictimhood.
And what good is that doing you, except for you're going to
feel connected to other peopledoing the same damn thing.
So take some of these, takesome of these skills, take some
(25:31):
of these things that Carolyn isdropping right now and re-listen
to this, make notes or takenotes.
Do what you need to do, buttake an action today to move
forward out of that victimhoodfor radical forgiveness.
This is why this was soimportant to be on here.
You know, earlier, carolyn, Igot to tell you I was literally
(25:51):
sitting there going man, weshould Joe Rogan this thing and
be on for three and a half hours, literally.
I think both of us could talkabout this for eternity, because
it's the thing that holdspeople back, probably the most
in life.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, I agree, lack of forgiveness judgment you got
to.
You know, one of the thingsthey teach in India is how to
fall in love with this moment,right now, and so meaning like
fall in love with your realityright now, it's like a
springboard to where you want togo for your vision, for your
future.
If you're judging where you arenow, you'll never get to where
you want to go.
You have to find the gift inright now, and I know that's
(26:31):
hard because you might not likewhere you're at.
You know in your relationships,your finances, in your health.
You know or or or in yourmindset or in your beliefs, and
that's okay.
You can go there.
But there is a gift in whereyou are and once you get that
gift, it's like it's likemanifestation on steroids.
It's like it's like there'slike miracles that start to
(26:51):
happen.
So, if it's okay with you,michael, I want to give your
people a book that I reallyrecommend.
It's Radical Forgiveness byColin Tipping, and he talks so
much more in detail and gives somany steps, but I'd like to
give like a five.
Just it's so simple these fivesteps to do to actually
processing this emotion,processing the PSTD, you know,
(27:13):
processing the things that arenot serving them anymore,
stopping like that loop thatthey keep going into.
Hi, emily, good to see you, andso is that okay if I share it
briefly, is that all right?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, we're got about two and a half minutes left,
but if we go over a little bit,it's okay.
We do on the floor, so go forit.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Okay, sounds good, all right.
So one tell your story.
Feel the anger, betrayal orgrief.
Be honest, don't skip this part.
So so, so I'm not just tellingyou don't be a victim, screw
your feelings.
You know I'm saying the biggestvictims can be the biggest gift
bringers once that energy istransformed.
(27:53):
So fully go into it.
Number two feel the feelings.
Okay, allow the emotions tomove through you without
judgment.
Don't attach to it.
Number three collapse the story.
Realize that your perspective ofthe story isn't the whole story
.
Your mind deletes and distortsover time.
So something that happened inyour childhood might not have
(28:13):
actually happened because yourmind has deleted and distorted
it.
It disorganizes it over time.
And so if you can understand,oh, maybe, hey, vanu, hey
gorgeous.
So maybe if we can understandthat our mind is doing this,
then oh, okay, well, maybe theway I'm seeing it isn't the
whole truth, maybe it's not ahundred percent true.
Number four reframe the story.
(28:35):
This is really important.
See the person or the eventthat happened as a part of your
spiritual path.
Okay, everything in your lifeis a spiritual path.
I truly believe that.
I believe we are souls.
I don't believe I'm justCarolyn living this life.
You know this 40 year old momor wife, or however I see myself
, or coach, I am a soul.
(28:55):
I don't believe Michael.
You're just this extraordinarypodcast host, changing people's
lives and sharing this withpeople and loving on people with
your kind heart.
There is a spirit and a souldriving you to help veterans not
just veterans, but anyone whohas the desire to upgrade their
frequency, upgrade theirthoughts, upgrade their life.
And so, number five integrateand release.
(29:19):
Accept with gratitude andrelease it Meaning okay, I
accept this lesson.
I don't have to relearn thislesson.
I don't want this lesson tocome twice in my life.
Like I got the gift of it.
Like how many times say yes inthe chat?
If you guys have ever been in aplace where you're like oh I,
this has happened before, Ishould have known better.
Well, you didn't get the lesson.
And that's where this yeah,right, me too.
(29:41):
We've all been there, and sothis is where self-reflection is
really powerful.
I, I, I know there's like a lotof coaches say yes in the
comments.
I know a lot of coaches andhealers and are on here today
and I just want to say I honor,I honor all of you and and
Michael, you too, you're a coachas well, like I.
I honor you guys.
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We are the, we are the like, weare the flame.
There's a flame inside ourchest and we get to bring that
to people every day through ourpresence and through our love,
through our compassion.
And you know, they say that thekindest people are actually the
most intelligent people, thestrongest person is actually the
most gentle person, and so inour lives, if you apply these
(30:24):
principles that I just shared,it's powerful for transforming
judgment, blame, anger andresentment into this clarity and
peace and and just reverencefor your life.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Absolutely, absolutely, and thank you for
sharing that.
Um, you know I, we don't, okay,should we just go another 30
minutes?
I'm totally joking.
There's just so much to talkabout with this and and we'll
have you back on, obviously, anddive in even more with
something else amazing.
So you know, with that said,you know again, please listen to
(30:56):
this again, take notes, youknow, take the action steps and
take it now, because that 2%shift today, not tomorrow, not
starting on Monday.
Start now, because Mondayyou'll be different, a year from
now you'll be different.
A year from now You'll bedifferent.
But if you just sit there andlisten to it and move on, or
don't move on, and or just moveon and don't, don't take an
(31:19):
action step, you're stuck.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, what he just said man, I hope they just took
what you said.
So Oprah says this and I, and Ilove this.
I think it is so true in ourlives.
Tell me yes in the chat, if youagree with me.
Awareness is one thing, actionis another.
You can have an awareness andnot take action on it.
Does that make sense?
And we love you, we love you,cindy too.
And so that ability just to say, ok, you know what, I'm going
(31:51):
to take some action.
So this would, it could be,after you listen to this, maybe
you clean up a relationship thatyou and you don't even look.
You don't need that person toapologize, you or see your
perspective to forgive.
In fact, guess what?
I had this one, one person, uh,michael, who they they're?
They didn't talk to theirbrother for 10 years and they
did the process that I just toldyou guys to do their brother
reached out to them andapologized to them out of the
(32:11):
blue after 10 years.
So I'm telling you, when youchange this internal landscape,
your outer landscape cannot staythe same.
It's an energetic thread.
So, yes, I get excited, I getpassionate, because this work
has changed my life andcountless other lives.
So, yes, thank you for havingme on.
(32:32):
Michael, you are such a joy togo back and forth with
Absolutely, and you know what.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I'm just going to share this real quick and we'll
get out of here.
My life changed because of thiswork.
You know, a couple of years ago, when I joined the Neuron
Coding Institute, I was goingwhat do I want to do when I grow
up?
Because I've been in the sameindustry and still am for 37
years or something like that.
Don't add up the dates, I'm old, but you know what this work
(33:03):
and just helping people fillsthe cup.
Every day it fills the cup.
And here's the other thing aboutthe energetic field I want to
dive in real quick.
When you start doing the rightthings and your integrity is in
line with who you are, it comesto you.
You don't have to go searchingfor it.
Those people that are buildingenergy, their lives, their,
(33:28):
their, their stories, it, it, itcomes to you.
Look, I I didn't know, carolyn,before.
Come on people.
You know all these amazingpeople and what they've been
saying on here.
I didn't know most of thesepeople and it's amazing how that
energy brings back and again,the work fills your cup, man.
(33:50):
So we're both so passionateabout this.
Thank you, carolyn, so much forbeing on here.
We're so past time but we stillneed to do.
How do people reach you?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
First of all, oh, yes , well, you can private message
me on Facebook.
Carolyn Ozino is my Facebookname.
That's a great way I do.
I'm doing a free healingsession in about a month and a
half.
You can join that.
Um, we have events coming up,uh.
But, yeah, right on my Facebookpage is the best way to reach
me.
Uh, through message and and Ican get I can even get on a call
with your uh, some of yourpeople and really support them,
(34:23):
um, and and share some programsand offerings that we have if
they're interested in movingforward with it.
Um, I, I already see some of mypeople on here, but there is one
thing I wanted to say aboutwhat you just said, which is be
the rose that blooms.
A rose doesn't uproot and gochasing the bee.
A rose stays rooted and justblooms, and then the bees come
(34:44):
to it.
So I loved what you're saying.
It's really about getting intoalignment and then blooming, and
then the right people find you,just like today.
So, thank you guys.
I would love for you guys alsoto share this out.
There are people out there thatneed that, that, like are
hurting in their heart.
I, I cannot even tell you howmany people I've worked with you
don't know the state thatpeople are in.
They need thank you so much.
(35:05):
They they need this healingwork in their hearts Like it's
really they need it and and andso even just watching this can
transform a heart, transform alife.
Your energy, michael, and your,I will say this your passion
for wanting to help people andyour authenticity, your
integrity.
But I really feel like you, you, you really want to help people
(35:26):
.
I really feel that in your, inyour soul and your heart.
So thank you for having me onso much.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Absolutely, and we're going to close out with three
tips to get veterans and theirfamilies further faster.
We're not done yet.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Oh, we are.
I get three more tips Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Three tips to get veterans further, faster, and
their families of course.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
How to further faster in your family, I think, the
tips that I shared in thebeginning.
You know, we might notunderstand why someone's acting
the way they're acting like ahusband or a wife or a friend or
a family member but I would say, seeing your part in it when
you're judging another person.
What's my part in this?
Yes, hi, debra, what's my partin this?
(36:05):
Because we're set up to kind oflook, oh, you know, sometimes
what God will do is whatever weneed to heal within us, he'll
show us in another person andthen we get to judge it on the
outside and then we get to healit on the inside, right.
And so I would say the onething is see how you play a role
and a part in the drama and thechallenges that you're facing
(36:28):
in your life.
Really believe, really get.
Number two is really get rootedin the belief that you're
facing in your life, reallybelieve, really get.
Number two is really get rootedin the belief that your
thoughts create your reality.
If you can root in that,especially with this podcast,
literally the name is yourThoughts, your Reality Podcast,
because your thoughts, you thinka thought long enough and hard
enough, it's gonna create abelief.
That belief creates a behaviorand that creates your destiny.
(36:48):
So if you know that, get rootedin it.
Then belief creates a behaviorand that creates your destiny.
So if you know that, get rootedin it, then you'll actually
start to.
Because if you don't practiceyour thoughts, your states of
consciousness, how you want tobe daily, that means there's
some part of you that doesn'tbelieve that your thoughts
create your reality.
So get rooted in that beliefthat your thoughts create
reality.
Number three appreciate and seewhat's working in your life
right now.
I cannot I think this isprobably the most important
(37:10):
thing appreciate and see what'sworking in your life right now
as much as you possibly can.
Your awareness is currency,your attention is currency and
so, okay, I can.
I can, I can focus on what'snot working or what I didn't
like or all these things, or Ican practice and program myself
to say, well, what do Iappreciate about this?
Doesn't mean I don't have tomake changes, doesn't mean I
(37:31):
can't set boundaries.
But where was the gift?
How can I change to a moreoptimistic point of view in my
life?
You know, cause a negative in anegative mindset, negative
thoughts really do break downyour body and and so and and I
would say, for every interactionyou have with someone in
relationships, for everynegative in your reaction, you
(37:51):
should have five positive ones.
Okay, my friends.
And so, yeah, it is the biggestshift.
Um and so take that and um, I Ialso have.
I know this sounds so strange,but if you guys want to put it
in the chat, I have a word thatI say that breaks my pattern.
If I'm in like a negativethought, this doesn't have to be
your word, my word's pineapple.
(38:11):
Whenever like, I'm like man, Iam in like a like not a great
place right now, like I feellike I'm looping, I'm in a hell
loop.
I'm seeing a situation I'mattaching a meaning, I'm judging
myself or a person, or oh, youshould have done this, you
should have done better.
Whatever it is, I'm likepineapple, you know it like
snaps me out of it, it's like apattern break, and pattern
(38:32):
breaks work.
So I would say choose a word andmake it funny.
I had someone today that saidum, I want my word to be far
from Nugent, or I want my wordto be fudge, or it does, you
know, make it silly, you know.
Or I had one person was likeI'm just going to meow and they
were like whenever they're inthat loop.
I know that sounds crazy, butthat humor is going to change
(38:53):
your brain chemistry.
It makes it a little bitlighter when we're so solid in
our perspectives.
Really, you're deadlocking theuniverse and God out from change
, creating change in your lifeand and so, yeah, I totally
agree with you and I'm sograteful for all of you.
On yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And again, thank you for all the comments and
everybody being on here today,so I just have to share.
My word is going to be Jumanji.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I love that Jumanji.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You know, what's funny is when you do that and
you do that counter-interrupt,and I do the same thing, and
then I just think of somethingI'm grateful for, because you
can't be upset and grateful atthe same time.
Right, and it can be.
I brush my teeth today and begoofy about it, it doesn't
matter.
Just something to put in thateschatoma when you do that
pattern, interrupt to lift andchange your physiology and just
(39:48):
lift you out of that placeBecause it's easy to jump right
back into it.
Right, to some extent.
But when you're talkingpineapple, I don't know that I
could jump back into it.
It's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I would love for everyone to put a word in the
chat.
Amy Jo Morris says I reallyneed a pattern, and yeah, you
ruminate a lot on that.
So put a word in the chat rightnow.
Choose it now, don't wait tilllater, you won't later, you
won't later.
Get a word right now and thentry it for three times today.
You know, and and it reallydoes just take a little bit of
practice, and everyone listenedto me.
Now, whatever you're practicingis growing stronger.
(40:22):
Well, you know, if, if you getpushed, whatever's, whatever, if
, if I'm holding this andthere's coffee in the cup, you
know whatever's in my cup isgoing to spell out if it's
coffee, it's going to be coffee,it's tea, it's going to be
water.
I love it.
Debra says abracadabra, that'sa great one, and uh, but so if I
, if I'm filling myself up withdoubt, with hate, with judgment,
with um, you know, should, andoh, I lost my chance, I mean and
all these negative thoughts,once I get pushed by someone,
(40:45):
all that's going to spill out,does that make sense?
Because life is going to pushyou sometimes and then.
So that's why these, thesepodcasts, listening to these
podcasts or or finding thesepractices that you can do on a
daily basis.
I love these words.
These are really funny words.
I love it.
And so our ability to be ableto say you know, okay, I, I can
(41:10):
practice this word, I canpractice this pattern, break, I,
I can.
And here's where I'm going totell you this I find God.
I find God, my can.
You can say if you don'tbelieve in God, say universe,
joy, love, whatever you believein.
I find God in the space inbetween my thoughts.
I am not my thoughts, you arenot your thoughts.
(41:31):
And so when you can just getstill, because there's so much
stimulation, there's so muchcomparison.
But I promise you, once you getthe guy, once you get the girl,
once you get the money, onceyou get the things you want,
you're still going to be you.
And guess what?
After a brief celebration,you're going to be like what's
next?
I want more.
And so it's so beautiful,because then we can enjoy the
(41:55):
right now and and, and.
So my destination in my life isno longer a place.
It's a new way of seeing theworld, because through new eyes,
I live a new life, um, and Iget to.
I get to close my eyes each dayand practice silent meditation
and find God in the space inbetween my thoughts, and then I
can carefully choose oh, thatwasn't an aligned thought.
(42:17):
What's another thought thatwould be relief for me.
So if I'm like, oh, I'm so madat this person, god, I can't
believe they did that to me.
I could be like, well, whatcould I see that I did to them,
maybe.
And then there's like a littlebit of relief there, and then
there's even more relief, andthen can I be a hundred percent
sure and assume that they'rethinking of this is truth.
This is going to be a hundredpercent sure, you know.
(42:39):
And so reach for relief, becausesometimes going from fear to
gratitude is a very huge leap.
But I can tell you you can doit.
I love what you said.
I do believe gratitude is theantidote to fear.
But some people might be in aplace where they're like I can't
get to gratitude, I'm so afraidright now.
But you know what's a littlebit more powerful than powerful?
(43:00):
You know, powerlessness andfear is anger, and then, a
little bit above that, would befeeling sadness, and then a
little bit of that is, you know,peace or whatever, and so so
now we're going up the scale,you know of frustration.
Okay, now, now we're gettingsome energy and then you can get
to that joy.
So reach for relief today inyour thoughts and then reach for
(43:20):
that space in between thethoughts and find God, find what
you believe in.
It'll be there.
I promise you're not.
We get so wrapped up in that weare, you know, are what's
happened to us, or what we'regoing to do, or what we've been.
You are eternity.
We are eternity living in thislife.
This is so precious, it's sosacred.
(43:43):
I get so emotional thinkingabout my existence.
I'm a spirit, I'm a soul livingin this body.
I have this body that I get toexperience the gift of life.
And I'm not always, I don'talways feel like this, but I
practice as much as I can,moving into a state of reverence
for my life, because reverenceis very close to God.
(44:06):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Amen, and you know it's it's.
It's okay to be passionate andemotional.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
You're telling me people that way.
I always believe that when youshow your true soul, that's when
, that's when connections aremade.
My friend, so um with that said, you're almost at Joseph
McClendon time With that saidyou're almost at Joseph
McClendon time.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
I can't be my mentor.
I don't want to do that to him.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
It is all good, hey, so everybody, thank you again
for joining us.
Carolyn, you're always anamazing light in this world.
Thank you for shining so bright.
I love having you on every time, so you know, with that said,
though, we do need to go.
So, um, okay, awesome, yeah,thank you everybody for joining
(45:00):
and, uh, tell Jason we love him,please I will.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, and you know what I would say to everyone
post one takeaway you got.
I don't care if it's onesentence or one.
Joseph McLennan always saysthis, and so does Tony Robbins.
They will say don't leave thesite without writing down an
anchor or what you learned fromlistening to something.
I'm telling you.
We wouldn't tell you thisunless it worked.
This is neuro encoding at itsfinest.
Write down what you got from it, like even if it's just a
(45:28):
comment in here.
Oh, you know what I reallyresonated with um.
You know, you know forgivenessisn't condoning.
Or I really resonated with thespace in between.
Just write anything that issticking in your mind, or any
lesson or wisdom or somethingthat you're going to apply to
your life.
Uh, because that that will helpanchor in the lesson and the
wisdom you just learned.
So it doesn't just go in andout.
Let it cultivate, let it sit.
(45:49):
So, yes, see the world with neweyes.
Beautiful, all right, great.
Thank you, michael.
I know we have to go.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Last thing when you do that, celebrate it, shake
your ass, pat yourself on theback and smile.
Let's go.
All right, everybody, we areout of here.
Thank you, bye.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Thank you for joining us on another insightful
journey of your Thoughts yourReality podcast with your host,
michael Cole.
We hope the conversationsparked some thoughts that
resonate with you.
To dive deeper into empoweringyour thoughts and enhancing your
reality, visitempowerperformancestrategiescom.
Remember your thoughts shapeyour reality, so make them count
(46:33):
.
Until next time, stay inspiredand keep creating the reality
you desire.
Catch you on the next episode.
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