November 20, 2025 • 53 mins
AI is exploding—but human wisdom is collapsing. In this fierce and eye-opening conversation, Kellan, Misty, and Bina rip apart the illusion that AI can replace intuition, lived experience, or soul-level knowledge.
This is not a conversation about technology.
This is a conversation about what makes us human — and what gets destroyed if we outsource our inner authority.
If you've ever wondered whether AI is helping you grow or quietly rewiring the way you think… this episode will hit hard.
Embodiment Over Algorithms
- AI vs Human Wisdom: Why intelligence without lived experience is empty
- The “thinking for me” trap: How AI slowly erodes intuition
- Why coaches are becoming more generic — and don’t realize it
- The rise of spiritual laziness in the AI era
- What AI will NEVER replicate — and why it matters more than ever
- How to reclaim your inner knowing before algorithms bury it
- Why real coaches must anchor in embodiment, not information
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(00:02):
Welcome to the show. Tired ofthe hype about living a dream? It's
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Subscribe, share, create. Youhave infinite power. Hello, and welcome
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to this episode of yourultimate life. This is the podcast
that's been going on for fiveand a half years where we explore
how to create a life ofpurpose, prosperity and joy by serving
with your gifts, your talents,and your life experience. Recently,
in September, I started a newThursday for coaches only, kind of
talking about the effect thatAI is or will or might have. And
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in the last few episodes,we've been meeting with two coaches
every, every Thursday. Andwe're going to continue to do that
for another year or so orhowever long to explore what AI and
the large language models andthe other iterations of that stuff
are doing to the coachingindustry. So welcome to the show.
Bina and Misty.
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Hello. Hello.
Welcome.
Thanks. Thanks for having me.
You bet. So happy to have you.And we're just going to talk a little
bit about the things wechatted about ahead of time about
just opinions about what AI isdoing and not doing and how you're
using it or not using it andwhat you see is the future in this
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industry. All right, so let'sstart with Misty. I'll just ask you
first, since you happen to beon the left side of the top, are
you using, and if you are, howare you using AI in your coaching
practice?
I am using AI. So I had. Forthe last 14 years, I had a marketing
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agency, so I was helpingentrepreneurs implement marketing
strategies at work. And assoon as AI became available, it was
a tool that I started using inmy business to basically deliver
more in less time. So I'mabsolutely using it.
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So tell me, tell me a littlebit about how you're using it or
tell our audience a little bitabout how you're using it. And are
you excited about it? Is itdifficult? Is it easy? Is it excited?
You're glad it's here. Like,tell me a little bit more about how
you feel about it.
Yeah, so I started usingChatGPT. I mean, the second that
it became available. And Ioften talk about, like, my journey
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to adopting to AI. And I thinkit'll apply to your listeners because
there's kind of like fivephases I went through. The first
phase was denial. And mythought process in the denial phase
was like, I don't have toworry about this right now. I don't
want to have to worry aboutthis right now, because when I started
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hearing about the tools andeverybody that was starting to use
them in my industry, I. Idon't consider myself an early adopter.
I don't replace my computer ormy phone until it just simply doesn't
work. I'm not the one thatraces out to go get the new technology.
So I stayed in denial probablylonger than I should have. And maybe
some of your listeners rightnow are in that phase. The second
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phase that I went into wasacceptance. And this is when I started
to realize. I said, okay, thisis real. I'm starting to see tools,
like, everywhere, and I shouldprobably be using them in my marketing
agency. And then the thirdphase is what I call adoption. And
that's when I startedrealizing, okay, AI isn't the enemy.
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It's kind of like theevolution to where, you know, to
where things are going. And I,you. I started using AI, specifically
ChatGPT. It became my creativepartner in helping me brainstorm,
Automate, you know, serve myclients more and in less time. And
at the end of the day, I wasable to deliver, like, a lot more
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value. And then here's what,here's the interesting thing. When
I share this with clients, I'mlike, I'm just like you. At first,
I, you know, I resisted it.Then I started to accept it, and
then I started to adopt it,and I started realizing the value
that it brought to mybusiness. And then I regressed. And
that's when fear startedcreeping in. I was, you know, it
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was the fear of being replacedby the thing I just learned how to
use. It was the fear of losingthe human side of things. The fear
of everybody feeling andsounding the. The same. All of those
same fears that a lot ofpeople feel when they start to adopt
AI into their. Into theirbusinesses. And then after regression,
though, if you can pushthrough that, you know, that fear
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based, then you start to lookat AI and start to think about your
business in terms ofrealignment. So instead of asking,
like, how can I. How can I getAI to do this task for me? I started
asking myself, how can I useAI to make me better? Right? And
so that's kind of like, Idon't know, the evolution to me adopting
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AI into my. Into my business,and I could go into all the different
tools that I use. But I thinka lot of listeners are in a. In one
of those five phases rightnow, and they need to recognize where
they're at and just know thatif they can push through each one
of those phases and get to therealignment. They can actually create
a business that provides waymore value than they ever thought
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possible.
Yeah, I thank you. And I agreewith that. I think I didn't jump
in right away either. I heardabout it, and I can't even remember
what happened. Somethinghappened. I don't know if it was
a conversation or somewhere. Iwas. That I thought, I need to look
at this. You know, I need tonot pretend it's not happening or
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whatever. I was just sort ofignoring it. And I did the same thing.
And I don't know, you know, Ilike. I like the five phases. You
know, ignoring it and thenaccept it or acceptance and then
adoption and regression. Ithought that was interesting. Start
worrying about what it is andthen realize more. Bino, are you
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using AI? And if you are, howand what do you think about it?
I am using AI and I actuallyam from the true millennial state.
So, you know, I think I'vegone through every single tech knowledge.
I mean, I was writing papers,and then the typewriter from the
typewriter, the computer fromthe computer, the telephone from
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the. So I think for mygeneration, like, I didn't have the
denial phase. I actually hadmore of the curiosity phase. Like,
initially it was like, oh,what is this? What's happening here?
And where's this going?Because that's just where my. In
every tech world, that's. It'salways been that curiosity phase.
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And I do agree with the levelsof it, because I think the curiosity,
like, it went to realignmentfor us super quick. Because in my
world, that's like, we don'thave this little denial push, pull.
What is this? What is that?It's just this, hey, there's a hot
tool out there, and if I cando something quicker and faster,
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why not, right? And you know,from me coming from writing on a
typewriter and learning how touse a typewriter, and then when the
first computer came out, like,it was like, oh, my God, this is
faster, right? And then, thenGoogle came out. And then when Google
came out, like the whole Bingand Google whatever it was, the first
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ones, it's like, what do youmean? I can search anything anywhere
on a. On a. On a thing. And itjust populates from. You're telling
me I don't have to go to thelibrary and search and go to the
columns and do things? So Ithink, like, the curiosity in my
world has developed over thispast 41 years. And so I use it more
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for, like, if you can do myjob faster still, Being me, then
let me utilize this for socialmedia content. Let me utilize this
to create a business proposalimplementing whatever I need, and
then it writing it for me. Notthat it's taken away my thought process,
because it's still my braindump that I place into it. And then
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it just, you know, formulatesit for me to a level where I'm like,
oh, okay, you just saved me 15hours. Right? And now it's like,
okay, let me go back and makeit. I say, being a isms, right? Let
me go back and make it into mybrand, into my voice, and making
comes in. So it's not like I'mutilizing it to an extent where it's
like a one and done, but Iutilize it where, you know, if you
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can save me 15, 20 hours, thenI'm all on board. Right. So it's
interesting on how, like, somepeople go through this denial phase,
which I guess I didn't reallyknow to understand that till, like,
right now, but I was justsuper curious, like, and now, like,
we integrate a content creatorbot, like, into my coaching business.
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So my coaches have a bot thatthey can utilize. So, you know, they're
able to put in their businessplan and like, all their the prompts
that goes into it. And then itjust helps them guide because it
helps people go from feelingstuck to unstuck very quickly in
the creativity part of it. AndI think that's where the alignment
comes in. And one of thethings that I coach around is if
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you are using AI, we reallytruly want to make sure that it's
in true alignment to who youtruly are, you know.
So did I hear you say thatyou've created a custom GPT that
helps people do stuff?
Yeah. And I asked ChatGPT howto do that.
Yeah. Yeah. Are you using GPT4 or 4.1 as the base engine or.
(10:03):
Yep, Yep. The highest one. Soevery time a new one comes out, we
are in a paid. A paidcontainer. So every time there's
a new version that comes out,it's automatically integrated. And
I can see it from the firstone where you ask questions and it
was like, it asked you, like,weird things back. You're like, what
is this? Right. And now it'slike, if you were to put in certain
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prompts about you, yourpersonality, like, if you just typed
in your entire life story andyou asked that prompt to be like,
I want you to create 10 reallycreative 10 podcast questions, for
example, it will like, spitout, like, really creative. Like,
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this is what I would ask youOn a podcast, knowing your life story.
And it's not that it's takingthe, your, your information away,
all it's doing, it's justopening it up. For me, it opens up
new pathways of things that Iwould not have even co created versus
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like wow, okay, I didn't eventhink about that. That's an amazing
question. Maybe I should askthat to somebody. And then it's co
creating these new pathways oflike creativity, of like, oh, what
else can I do now? And youknow, when I'm asking chat G and
I use this a lot for likesocial media and a lot for certain
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marketing actually it's like,how do these are. Here is my business
plan. What are some painpoints that I can put up that is
going to be compelling for myaudience? Because sometimes with
marketing it's about how youperceive world and exactly it's the
opposite. It's how otherpeople perceive you. And sometimes,
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especially in coaching world,it's like, oh, but I put this out,
but no one's, no one's talkingto me back. And I'm like, but is
it really, are you reallyhitting their pain point? Are you
really talking to that? And Ido know that, you know, AI has its
limitations. It's not going tohave this human connection that the
three of us are eveninteracting with right now. But if
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we were to take thistranscript and place this into AI
and say, hey, can you make avery powerful storyline out of this?
It's going to come out andit's going to create something and
it just saves all three of ustime for sitting here and typing
it up for each other. It'samazing in that sense.
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Yeah, I agree. So those arereally both interesting and creative
descriptions of how to use it.If you think about what it's changing
and we're talking specificallyabout coaching because it's going
to change a lot of things in alot of businesses and stuff. What
do you think the dangers arefor coaches in terms of what chat?
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I guess where I'm thinkingabout is when I wrote the book, I
ask it and I ask it a bunch ofdifferent ways in different times.
Like given everything you doand that you're getting better at
doubling your capacity everytwo or three months, what's the danger
to coaches? Like what dangerdo you see for the coaching profession,
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either one of you? It doesn't matter.
I'll go first. I'm seeing itfirsthand every single day. So I've,
I've shifted my business awayfrom the agency model where I was
implementing the marketingstrategies into a different environment
and a different approach. Iwon't go into all the details of
that, but I'm still coachingclients one on one. And so one of
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the biggest things that I'mseeing is I'll go and I'll ask a
client, because if you're atrue coach, you know that your job
is not to have all theanswers. Your job is to ask the right
questions so that theydiscover what they already know themselves,
right? To help them discoverthe answers within themselves. A
true coach. And so whathappens is, is when I ask people
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questions today, they'll say,hold on a second, and we'll be in.
We'll be in the middle of acoaching call, and I can see them
typing away. And at first whenthey started doing it, I thought
they were responding to emailsand stuff like that, kind of getting
offended. And I called a fewof them out and they were like, hold
on, I'm asking ChatGPT. AndI'm like, you don't know the answer
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to this. Well, yeah, but Iwant to see what she says. So my
biggest fear and the thingthat I see the most is that AI isn't
necessarily going to take allof our jobs like a lot of coaches
believe to be true. It'staking away our ability to think.
And that is a huge dangerbecause, you know, it's not that.
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It's not. Not using AI that'sthe biggest risk right now. I think
a lot of people have pushedthrough the denial phase and they're
now in the acceptance phase,at least, at the very least. But
they're depending on it somuch that they actually don't even
trust their own responses orown ideas now. And that has happened
so quickly. It's. It'salarming. It's alarming that we can't
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answer simple questions andhave simple dialogue without you
actually having to ask a robotthat knows nothing about you, your
experience, or your life forthe response. That's what's scary.
So let's let me dive into thata little bit. So.
Foreign.
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Asking people questions is a,Is. Is a tried and tested way that
coaches make people think and,and, you know, come up with ideas
even if they don't know theanswer. The act of exploration and
excavation in their own mindand experience and thinking is the
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developing opportunity. It'show they develop their own thinking.
Maybe they did know theanswer. They can think about, think
of it, or an answer at leastin. In the dialogue with the coach.
One of the things that I sawin my analysis Is that chat? The
LLMs in general. But Chatty isgetting so good at asking all those
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questions.
Yes.
You know, and I'm wondering,I'm wondering if there's a. So. So
I agree with your danger. Oneof the things I read in my research
was it isn't about. It's aboutthe lack of development that we experience.
So if we have chat, right, dosome magical thing for us and even
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if we tweak it a bit, it's notthe same as the work that I would
have gone through and who Iwould have become in the soul searching
and work that it took to dothat thing. So I have chat write
me a book. It's not the same.It might be a great book. It has
nothing to do with who Ibecame as I did the research and
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thought through how I wantedto express myself. So that changes
who I am. And I think thatthing is what you're pointing to
in terms of I don't even trustmyself. I'll just have it. It writes
better than I do and so cool.It'll sound good and then I'll sound
good. I'm still the sameperson I was before I wrote the book.
But here's the problem withthat is a problem. It's going to
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sound like everybody else too.And you're going to be able to know.
People will. And they'realready spotting that they already
know when it's not a realexperience behind the information
that you're sharing and beinga hit on the nail on the head. There
are so many tools out therethat we can use that can help us
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expand on our ability to beable to stay true to what a coach
is. A coach asks key questionsto help the person discover the answer
that they have withinthemselves. ChatGPT will prompt you,
do you want me to do this nowor do you want me to do that now?
But the tools that Dina wasspeaking to, I use a tool, it's called
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formwise. Basically, it's insimplest terms because I don't, I'm
not super techy myself, butthe way I understand it, I don't
program. I use the programs.Right. It's an overlay over top of
ChatGPT. So ChatGPT and toolsalike are basically, it's a glorified
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tool for, for, for asking, youknow, questions. But if you don't
know the questions to ask,which is the core of what coaches,
the whole reason why coachesexist, people don't know what questions
to ask themselves to digdeeper into the problem, they're
Trying to solve, that's whatcoaches bring to the table. So if
you can use a tool likeFormwise and actually feed form wise
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the questions that they shouldbe asking themselves. Now what you're
doing is you're combining anAI experience with the coach's experience
and being able to ask the keyand critical questions to get them
to come up with the answer. AmI making sense on that?
Yeah, you're making sense.We're going to dive into that pretty
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deep because I got somethoughts about that, but I want to.
What do you see? Do you seedangers for coaches with ChatGPT
and its evolution and how fastit's getting better? My experience
is it gets really good at evenasking the questions like you don't
have to. I've seen some coachmodels that have been built that,
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that ask, that ask, useempathetic language, that ask powerful
questions, that point outinconsistencies in the conversation
and that do a pretty good job.And that's one of the things that
makes me think that kosher'sthe big 90, the big middle. There's
a space for elite, but the bigmiddle is going to be gutted and
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gone. But anyway, been I'minterested in your thoughts about
the danger that chat might ordoes or doesn't pose for the coaching
business.
It can go either way. I thinkit's a self perception based on this
and how do you utilize it? Sothere is a new app that is coming
out shortly around using threeprinciples around AI and you can
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ask these questions and it'sreally giving you empathetic questions
back just like a coach. Right.And if you train AI to a level of
doing that, then you're ableto serve more people in a very short
period of time. That there isa good, there is good in that right
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now. The negative side ofthat, it doesn't have the human connections.
You are still talking to ascreen, you are still talking or
chatting and you're looking ata phone or a device and we're not
having those connections heartto heart conversations with the human
being, which is very vital inhuman Life. You know, ChatGPT is
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great. I'm not going to knockit off. I'm not going to say there's
all these different tools andregulations you can have around it.
And at the same time it's justlike when you just need a hug and
you just want somebody to sitthere and support you and cry in
presence. ChatGPT will notoffer that at all, you know, and
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I think that's where yes it'sgoing to be incorporated into a lot
of coaching industries. It'snot going to take away your job.
I think what coaches have todo is they have to embed it somehow
some way and they have tolevel up their co, their client journey
with it. Right. And then alsooffer that support where it's like,
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hey, I'm going to give youthis particular support and also
you need to have some sort ofhuman connections involved with that
or you give them the choices.And it really is going to go back
to the client experience oflike, nope, I just want to be here
because this new generation isvery much into Chat GPT and all in
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things and that part doesscare me because they just don't
understand what the humanconnections are. They're not able
to have conversations in realtime and go into networking events
and they become, and I'm goingto say this in a very non political
way, they can become veryantisocial. And I think that's when
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we're talking aboutconfidence, when we talk about our
body imaging, everything elsethat comes with that is not being
foreseen because it's hidingbehind, it's hiding behind something.
And when we're talking aboutself discovery and we're talking
about evolution and all thesedifferent things, our mind needs
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those physical like things.Just like when we were in high school
and you know the mean girlsituation, right. It's like, oh,
that's a high school thing.But guess what, all these children
has to experience some sort oflevel of that. So your brain can
develop in a very natural way.
Right?
And our frontal cortex has notdeveloped until we're in our 20s.
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And I think what's happening,and that's the scary part that I
see with ChatGPT is how isthis affecting our long term like
our, our generations to come,how is this frontal cortex that's
not being fully developed fromthese emotional connections and they're
utilizing this with ChatGPT.Now in the coaching world I can see
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it being developed and levelup and that there's nothing wrong
with that. I am because I comefrom that generation and also making
sure that all of our clients,if they are utilizing it, what are
we utilizing it for? What isthe purpose that we're utilizing
it and is it, is it in truealignment? Which I like what Misty
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said, is it in true alignmentfor what we are co creating? Because
if it's not, if it's like,hey, I'm depressed and I want to
use Chat GPT to help me to, toget rid of a Therap. Yeah, I think
that's wrong. Like, yeah,that's not going to help you.
There's different degrees ofcoaches, obviously, and in terms
of what their specialty is,I'm a marketing coach. Like, I'm
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not getting into this and it'svery good at prompting you. Do you
want to include this in yoursocial post? Do you want to include
this in your video script?Right. Where it's, where it's really
falling short. And I thinkthis is a gigantic danger. I don't
typically speak to it becauseI don't live in this space. Is the,
is when someone turns to achatgpt for emotional support, like
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Bina said. And because rightnow, the way that these tools are
designed, they're designed tobe agreeable. So if I'm not in the
right frame of mind and I'mthinking suicide, I'm thinking this
is the end of civilization. IfI'm, if I'm a doomsday thinker at
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this moment and I startturning to AI to support my ideas
and my thinking, we're openingup a very dangerous can of worms
that, because AI today issupportive in nature. So when it's,
when I say I'm thinking aboutcommitting suicide and this has been
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documented, I don't haveaccess to the resources. We could
always get those later. But ifI'm thinking about suicide and I'm
turning to ChatGPT or a toolalike and I'm saying, you know, what
do you think? And it's goingto be agreeable to me, it's going
to lead me down a verydestructive path.
So, yeah, I've seen some of that.
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There's been, there's beenlike open air has been sued.
So let me ask a differentquestion. I want to push on this
really hard for a minute. I, Ithink there's space. I really do
believe 95% of coaches as itis implemented today won't have anything
to do. And here's why. And I'mgoing to. You guys can disagree,
but, but I do think there'ssomething left and it has to do with
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this, the human piece of itthat I can't bleed, that it came
back and told me about. Right.I can't bleed. But most of coaching
as it is implemented today, asevidenced by the fact that coaches
today don't, most of themdon't make very much money, meaning
they don't provide value thatpeople are willing to pour money
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on, aren't creating thecircumstances of that super high
value in the circumstance, inthe container of coaching so I'm
going to say I talk to a lotof coaches, not only here, but just
in general. Most of my clientsaren't that, but I end up in conversations
with a lot of them. And here'ssomething I hear all the time. Well,
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you know, I can help otherpeople with their fill in the blank,
their self doubt and theirproblems and their negativity and
I can help all that. But me, Istill am struggling with this and
that and I can't figure outhow I can help other people solve
those problems, but I can't.This, that and the other. And to
me that is a giant red flag.And here's why. To me, that's like
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taking health advice from adoctor who's got to go out every
five minutes and take a smoke break.
Do you mind if I comment onthat real quick?
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay.
The minute some a coach andI'm going to just call this out as
it is. If they don't have. Doyou mind if I shouldn't use bad language
on this conversation?
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I don't care.
Okay, well, I have to ask forpermission. If they don't have their
shit together, they should notbe coaching.
Right.
And 90 million percent of theones that are coaching are. That's
my point. In the example, theyare not the embodiment. When they
walk into a room, the truthsthat they are, quote, helping their
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clients with are not leakingout of their eyes and running out
of their pores. They don'tchange the app and that's all that's
going to be left. The onlypeople that are going to be left
in the coaching business aregoing to be really valuable. They'll
be highly paid and they'regoing to be the ones that are truly
the product of the productthey are and live the embodiment.
And 90% of them are not.
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Yeah, and I agree with you onthat. And I really do believe that
AI is going to filter thosepeople out. And I'm not going to
lie to you, they shouldn't becoaching or getting paid for it anyways.
Because if you can't today.
No, no, it's okay. I want youto finish. If you can't. And this.
They talk about a thing overthere. They talk about that thing
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over there. In other words,they read or learned or took some
classes or got somecertifications about this or that
modality and they talk aboutthat thing over there. And that's
valuable, but at the levelthat really makes change and matters,
that isn't valuable and itdoesn't last Very long. And that
whole middle. And I say 95%.But whatever the number is, that's
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going to be gone. And that'sgoing to present a real challenge
for coaches. And I thinkthere's three reasons. One is the
head in the sand problem,which Misty, you alluded to. I'm
going to pretend this isn'thappening or it's happening slowly,
and I'm going to pretend thattsunami is not coming. Okay, cool.
And.
And you're dead. Number two iswhat I call the anti problem. Think
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about being in a casino andthere's lots of $10 blackjack tables,
and all those blackjack tablesare full of robots. And the only
place that there's left for aperson, me or you, to go sit down
is in the high roller room. Orthe anti is 10,000 bucks. So in my
mind, the ante to be a goodcoach just went up 10,000 or 1,000
times. And the third problemis being the true product of the
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product all the time. Not ajacket you put on, but a place that
you are in terms of who youactually are. That's hard work.
It's a lot of work.
And so hard work. Andy's goneup a thousand times and head in the
sand. That's the filter. Andthat's going to be the great sifting,
as it were, in the business.
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And I do agree with you onthat because a lot of coaches in
general, only 5% of thecoaches actually do make it to the
extent. Extent of whateversuccess means to whoever the. Whoever
is listening. Correct. Andit's a practice like you're going
to be faced something over andover and over again. And only there's
only still. If you think aboutit, even now, there's only still
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a handful of coaches that areactually coaching full time and evolving
over the time because they'restill doing the work on themselves.
And that's where I think AI ingeneral can be a lack of or a devil's
advocate. Right. You do need acoach to still be accountable, even
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for myself. Like, I need topractice what I embody, so help whoever
I preach. And that's where Ithink AI is going to have a very
big disconnect again becauseof that human connection. You know,
you can do the middle groundwork and I can. I can create a bot.
I can create this. I cancreate all these different tools.
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And at the same time, if I.And it goes back to what Misty said.
If I'm not in alignment withwhat my end goal is or what my global
impact is, you know, AI canconsume a lot of what you're calling
this middle ground.Absolutely. You know, but that human
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connection. And you know,given the, the, the analogy of robots.
Yeah, because I would look, Ipersonally would look for not, but
that this is me, myself and I,I look for that human connection.
I rather you be behind thetable or Misty being next to me versus
me talking to a robot, youknow, and I think it's, again, it
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goes back to this perceptionof, well, what are you truly creating
in your world? Where is this,what, what perception is being created
and what's the real realitybehind it? And I think what's happening
is we're hiding the realreality behind a perception of what
I can or cannot create, thatcan or cannot create because we're
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just dissolving the reality.And what we're facing with is, you
know what? I am depressed. Ihave this problem, I have, I'm not
enough. All these differentthings that we tell ourselves and
now here AI is supporting itand, or covering it up saying, you
know what, you are this greatperson, you are doing this, you are
this million dollar person.But in reality it's all just really
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fake in this world and we'rereally not truly what we are because
we're out of alignment.
Well, that's one of thereasons I'm writing the book, is
to call that out. Misty, go ahead.
Sorry. Yeah, well, I want tochime in on this because I know there
may be some new coaches thatare either thinking about entering
into the field or maybethey're new to the field or whatever,
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or they've been in the field.I know, I've been through this myself,
personally. I've been doingthis. I mean, you can't be on this
earth 50 years and not have aton of experiences and a ton, a ton
of advice that you can givesomeone else and share with someone
else through your own learnedexperiences. Right. You just can't,
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you can't be on this earth 10years and not have experience. Okay,
I think we can all agree withthat. And I think the danger, and
I hear this all the time. I'veheard this for years and I've said
this for years. The danger is,is that we, the 50 year old me, can
get on my high horse and say,well, if you don't have the experience
I have, and if you haven'tbeen around 50 years and you haven't
walked in my shoes and youhaven't done what I've done, you
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don't have a place in thisfield and that's not true. That is
not true. Because it can soundlike that when you hear it. Because,
you know, there's a gal Istarted listening to a couple of
years ago. Her name's TanyaSpangalo, and she had gastric bypass.
And when she first started herchannels in social and started sharing
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her journey, and I don't knowthat she considers herself necessarily
a coach, although I do knowthat she has calls with people and
shares her experience. Youknow, she had just had the gastric
bypass, had lost a little bitof weight, but she had not arrived.
Because I think there's adanger in us speaking to. If you
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haven't arrived, if you don'thave your shit together, which I've
said for many years, by theway, and I'll still say it in. In
some capacity, but you have tostart where you are and lead from
where you are. You don't needto have arrived. She didn't have
to. She just recently hit herweight loss goal and she's been doing
this for several years. Yeah.So if you're. If you're a coach listening
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in and you just heard us talkabout, you know, you need to have
your together, you need to dothis and you need to do that. Yes.
You need to start where youare and lead from where you're at.
When I started my coachingbusiness in marketing, I had a marketing
degree, but I was taught howto run radio ads, billboards, big
brands, Coca Cola, theWalmarts of the world. And then when
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I started my co. My coachingbusiness, Facebook was just getting
started and businesses werestarting to use the platform. Nobody
had experience, nobodyunderstood really how to utilize
the platform to have success.I didn't know how to do it, but I
did know how to set up aFacebook page, and that's where I
started. Let me show you, Mr.Business Owner. Mrs. Business Owner,
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let me show you how to set upyour Facebook page. Did I have all
the answers? No. But I startedwhere I was. I'm not putting on a
code of saying I've had a. Youknow, I've made a bazillion dollars
on Facebook. I'm not. L. Ithink we all know, like, don't lie.
Right. Don't lie, but leadfrom where you are, wherever that
is. If you just lost fivepounds, if you just had surgery and
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you can walk someone elsethrough the surgery path you just
went through. Yeah, there's aspace for you. So.
And that's where. Yeah, andthat's where, like, you know, in
my world, like, when peopleare utilizing chat GPT for an example.
Right. They're like, I don'tknow how to use this. It's like,
well, I've been doing this nowfor. For a couple of years. I don't
know a lot about a lot. I knowa little about a lot, right? I know
a little bit about a lot.
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Yes.
So it's like teaching them howto incorporate that is. It is key.
And I do think that's wherecoaching is still going to thrive
because of those. That's whereI think coaching is really going
to thrive is like those lifeexperiences. Right. So you. You've
done Facebook, like a Facebookpage. I didn't know what a Facebook
page was till like five yearsago. Right. I mean, I like. Because
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I wasn't in the businessworld. Right. I was at bedside saving
lives. And so it's like,there's still like a lot of learning
tools that I think when you'retalking about with Keelan, like,
when we're talking about.There's always going to.
Still.
Yes. Some of it's going todissolve and people who don't know
what they're doing are notgoing to know. They're not going
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to know. But for the ones thathave that curiosity of, like, I want
to learn even a little bitfrom a Misty from Akeelin, those
ones are going to still,really, truly still thrive.
Yeah.
Well.
And you can use Tanya Spingeloas a perfect example. I can go to
ChatGPT saying, Hey, G. I callhim G just because I speak really
fast and it's a slur and Ispit, but I say, hey, G, I'm thinking
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about having gastric bypass.I'm not, but I'm just saying in theory,
I'm thinking about havinggastric bypass. Tell me, you know,
what to expect and G's goingto give you a response. But. But
there's nothing that replacesme turning. If Tanya was a friend
of mine or some. A trustedsource connection, the human connection,
where I can turn to her andsay, hey, Tanya, listen, I know these
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are the steps and I know thisis the procedure and I know. I know
what I can expect, but whatwas your experience? Yeah, how did
this. You know, what were the.What were. What are the tips and
tricks and. And things thatyou can share with me on a human
level, the experience.Experiences. Chat GPT does not have
an experience. Can I say thatwith clapping?
Yes.
It does not have anexperience. It does not bleed. It
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does not have surgery. It doesnot push out babies. It does not.
It does not do any of that. Itcan tell you the procedure, it can
tell you the processes. It canshare someone else's experience.
If you say, hey, I have afriend who's famous who had a baby,
tell me what their experiencewas, it can reiterate what it said,
but it does not have the sameexperience. And that is the thing,
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I think we. We, when we becomeso dependent on G being our voice
to say things pretty, we'relosing our story. And that's the
problem.
So I'm going to say something.
I agree with you.
Look at me.
I'm passionate because I seethis every day.
This is what I wanted to call.I would go so far as to say, if you're
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really going to coach, theonly thing you can coach is where
you've been. Like, you can'treally coach anywhere else.
You can't. 100%, you can't.
All that that becomes is. I'mtalking about that thing over there.
Exactly.
Which is what she does.
Yeah. That's not the truth.The truth of your lived experience
is what lives in the 5%.
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Correct.
And all the rest, which istalking about that thing over there,
however good it is. And I'mgoing to give you an example, Bina,
you're dying to say something.
So say I am. So it's theexperience part because I do a lot
of corporate wellness and I'veclosed over $10 million in sales.
Different organizations.Everybody always asks me, how do
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you do it? You know, they'llgo, I wrote this proposal and I've
done this, and now what do Ido with it? And the number one thing
I tell people is have aconversation. ChatGPT cannot teach
you how to have theconversation. They can't teach you
how to get into a room whereit matters. They can't teach you,
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like, you know, going into anetworking event and having an amazing
conversation with Misty orwith you and me. And you've done
this before, Keelan. Right.And we've left that in that. That
impression of like, oh, myGod. I'm curious to learn more about
you and about who you are,where you came from, and now I'm
curious to learn what you'redoing in this world. Chatgpt cannot
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teach that.
Well, it can give you thequestions to ask. It can't give you
the guts to do it.
Correct. That's what I'msaying. Like, that's my point.
It doesn't create theconnection. You all know what it's
like to walk into a room or tobe in a room with your back to the
door and Somebody walks inwho's angry, and you can feel the
energy, and you don't evenhave to turn around and see them.
(40:38):
So the truth that's left, allof the stuff that isn't grounded.
Let's put it this way, whatI'm hearing you say, and I agree
with, it's not grounded in. Inthe truth of the human experience
is going to be used by therobots that are masters of the. Not
in the human experience.
Everything that is wealth of knowledge.
(40:59):
The wealth of knowledge in thehuman experience is going to be what
we've got left to work with.
And that's the thing, though.When you talk about the coaches who
are not succeeding, it isbecause they've taken on someone
else's process. They'velearned someone else's procedure.
That thing over there, overthere, it's the copycatters, the
(41:23):
cookie cutters. Oh, my God.
But I've. You got to startsomewhere. You. You have to adopt
a learning in order to. Totake the first step in order to learn
your own experiences. Sothere's not. Again, I want to say
this loud and clear because I.I think we live in a world where
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they're. We're like, if you'renot 50, with a ton of experiences.
In my experiences, you don'thave a place in this world. And that
is not true.
I interviewed a dude on thispodcast not, well, several hundred
episodes ago. He was 23 yearsold. He grew up in the project in
I forgot what city. And by thetime we got done, I was blown away.
(42:06):
And it takes a lot to blowcoming away, trust me. I was like,
dude, I love it. Your livedexperience in the short number of
minutes you've been aroundcompared to the rest of us geezers.
I'll speak for me, not for youguys. I'll be 70 in December. So
it has nothing to do with age.That came from his lived experience.
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And you do have to be trainedand adopt a methodology. You know
what my experience with this.I don't know if you guys are old
enough to remember JohnnyCarson on the Tonight Show. Yeah,
okay. When Johnny Carson leftthe Tonight show and Jay Leno took
over, I wasn't a regularwatcher of Carson. I watched him
occasionally, but I did watchthe first nights of Leno, and it
(42:53):
was really obvious that he wastrying really hard and doing good,
and he did not yet own thatstage. I watched him two years later,
and he owned the stage. Yeah,same, same jokes, same stuff. There
was that thing, and that thingis all that's left. And that's the
(43:17):
thesis. That's all that's leftbecause all the rest of it will be
gone.
Yeah. If you think that youcan use a Chat GPT or an AI tool,
doesn't matter what it is. Ifyou can use a tool to create your
experiences, that's whereyou're going to be left in the dust.
And everybody is going to callyou out on your crap. They're going
(43:41):
to call you out on beingtrained by AI. But, but if that's
where you're starting and you,you say to yourself, I want to start
a business or I want to starta coaching business in this space,
what should I do? Chatbots toget started. It's going to give you
the steps and procedures and,but it isn't until. And you can use
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those steps and procedures togo work with a person, work with
your first client, work withyour second client, and then all
of a sudden you have 5clients, 10 clients, 20 clients,
100 clients under your belt.And now you're going to, you're going
to turn less to chatbots forguidance and more into leaning into
your own experiences throughthe work that you've done. And that
(44:25):
is the key, that is the futureof AI. The people who will, who will
succeed in this industry isthe ones that doesn't allow AI to
overspeak their ownexperiences. Like, if I ask you if
you've been doing this for 10years and I ask you a question and
you have to go ask ChatGPT forthe freaking answer, you have a problem.
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You have gone too far, deepinto utilizing this AI tool. You
know the answer. Speak fromyour own heart. Now, that doesn't
mean I love to use chat GPT.I've been married 31 years. My husband
and I been together since wewere 15 years old. I do not. He says
it, he just said it yesterdayto me. He goes, are you going to
finish the sentence or do Ihave to? Because I'll start a sentence.
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I'm. And I have menopausebrain. So, like, I forget words and
I forget ideas and I forgetwhere I was going with it. And so
he'll Finish my sentence.ChatGPT is great for a great tool
to turn to for that when youhave learned experiences and you're
saying, hey, G, I had thisexperience, but I can't quite get
my finger on how to share thatwith other people in a meaningful
and deep way. Can you help mewith that? You know what I mean?
(45:33):
So you're, you're, what you'redoing is you're Leaning on these
AI tools to, to share your experiences.
So it's more like what you'restating is that it's like a resource.
Yes.
Yeah, use it like a resource,not utilize it as a first line of
defense. Yes, is what I'mhearing you state.
(45:53):
And so what I guess the way Iagree with both, all of you, everything
you've said, it is it makesthings faster. You said that to start
with. Why wouldn't you use itif it does things faster? But it
isn't ever going to take awaythe heart, the real work of becoming
human.
It shouldn't. If it does, thenyou won't, nobody will hear you because
it's going to sound likeeverybody else that's doing the same
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thing. But when you bring yourown experiences to the table and
use it to do things faster. Todo. To. To dive deeper into it, to
explain it in a better way.Right, explain my experience in a
better way. That's. I. Iturned to ChatGPT when I wrote my
personal memoir. ChatGPTdoesn't know anything about my personal
(46:35):
story unless I tell it right.But it can help me find the right
words to share. But it can'tgive me the story.
No. You know what I did when Iwas doing this research? So I've
written, as you guys know, 20something books and I have a thousand
podcast episodes. And so Icreated a thread in chatty called
One Million Words. And Iuploaded it all this stuff and I
(46:57):
asked it after a while, howmuch stuff's in here? It said a million.
Are you kidding? It's morelike between 4 and 7 million words.
So when I talk to chat aboutanything, it talks. It's talks like
I do. I mean, it uses mylanguage. It quotes out of my books,
it quotes out of my podcast.You know, it does that. Which I find
really useful.
But absolutely.
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One of the things that I gotit to, the I can't bleed thing is
I asked it, okay, fine, youknow all this stuff, you've seen
all my books and everything,who am I? And I ask it to tell me
who I am. And it said all thisstuff that was really being agreeable.
I know, but I told it, don'tdo that. But it doesn't matter. It
said all this stuff anyway.And here's the interesting thing.
(47:40):
The way that it wrote that interms of reflecting that was in very
powerful language. And itaffected me emotionally to read that.
So I read it and I'm like,holy crap. And then I said, okay,
your code, how come I'mweeping As I read this crap, you
(48:00):
just told me, what is it aboutthis that does that? And it said,
I'm not telling you anything.I'm reflecting to you what I see.
Wow.
And then that hit me hard. Andthen I said, okay, fine, you do all
this stuff really good. Whatis it that you don't do? And then
it's when it said, I can't bleed.
(48:21):
Yep. I can't have the human experience.
Yeah. So this has really beenreally interesting. We've used up
all of our time, and we'reabout done. Anybody have any last
things you want to make surethat gets said before we're done
today?
I think it's a combination ofwhat Bina said. What we've all said
here is, you know, AI can'treplace the human experience, the
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empathy, the intuition, thepresence, and the personal experience
that we have as human beings.But it is a great tool and a great
resource to help us articulatethat experience in a meaningful and
impactful way that we may nothave otherwise found the words to
share. That's the way I lookat it today.
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Cool.
Yeah, I'm kind of gonna dittothat. I think, like, you know, I
think it's just when you arelike, I'm fully dyslexic, and I utilize
chat, GPT, or AI to help mearticulate something that I'm unable
to do because my brain or myprocessing just is, like, stuck.
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Or I'm like, I just don't knowhow to say this, or I feel. And this
is an imposter syndrome on mewhere I'm like, I'm just not a good
writer because of my dyslexia.Let me have. Let me put in my experience
or let me voice what I'mstating, and then can you now write
this in a very professional way?
Right.
And so I think it's just. It'sa really good tool, a resource. It's
(49:54):
a really good resource for itto refine what you're trying to state
in a tone or a language thatyou may or may not be comfortable
in writing. And I think that'swhat it really does. So if you want
to create something in acreative tone and you're not, you
feel that you may or may notbe creative, but it's not comfortable
(50:15):
for you. This will help youbecome uncomfortable faster and a
lot more confident in a. In aclearer direction. And I think that's
really where I is going toexcel for those types of situations
where I. I know what I need todo, and I know where I want to go
(50:37):
and I'm just going to use AIto help me assist with that.
I want to thank both of youfor being here today and sharing
your thoughts. You know, as Ireflect on everything you've said
and I reflect also on thedifferent tones and emotions and
experiences and all the kindsof things that we've just created
here. And I was thinking, howgood would this have been? How effective
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would this have been if I hadbeen chat GPT trying to create this
conversation? It would have,it would have been an abysmal failure.
I don't think it would have, Idon't think it would have sparked
any of these raw emotions thatcomes out with it.
No, that's what I was justthinking, you know, I'm so excited.
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Yeah, it wouldn't be creatingthat kind of thing, right?
No, it wouldn't. Wouldn't haveco created any of these emotional
responses that came up or the,the reactivity behind it or that
excitement when you were like,bina, you want something to say?
I'm like, yes, I do, I do, Ido, I do. Right. It, it wouldn't
have created that because youcould ask a question in a series
(51:44):
of questions, but it's notgoing to revoke an emotional response.
And those emotional responseswith the follow up question, unless
you're in live time in chatGPT, you won't be able to do that
lifetime. You'd be like, holdon, Bina, let me check in this. And
then.
No, no, I get it. All right,well, we need to be done here. I
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want to thank both of you forbeing here and listeners, I want
you to take this. This hasbeen a very lively and excellent
episode with opinions. We'vegot a, you know, a person that's
looking at things from Misty,is a had been a marketing coach and
doesn't dive in, into thedeeply personal stuff by design.
That's not what she wants to do.
Exactly.
On the other hand, Bina as anurse coach does do that work and
(52:27):
is very much in the work ofpersonal development, where you're
making choices about who youare and how you show up in the world.
But both of those skills arenecessary and important. And the
whole point of this episodeand all the rest is to help you make
the choices you need to maketo create your ultimate life.
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to this episode of yourultimate life. This is the podcast
that's been going on for fiveand a half years where we explore
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with your gifts, your talents,and your life experience. Recently,
in September, I started a newThursday for coaches only, kind of
talking about the effect thatAI is or will or might have. And
(00:53):
in the last few episodes,we've been meeting with two coaches
every, every Thursday. Andwe're going to continue to do that
for another year or so orhowever long to explore what AI and
the large language models andthe other iterations of that stuff
are doing to the coachingindustry. So welcome to the show.
Bina and Misty.
(01:14):
Hello. Hello.
Welcome.
Thanks. Thanks for having me.
You bet. So happy to have you.And we're just going to talk a little
bit about the things wechatted about ahead of time about
just opinions about what AI isdoing and not doing and how you're
using it or not using it andwhat you see is the future in this
(01:38):
industry. All right, so let'sstart with Misty. I'll just ask you
first, since you happen to beon the left side of the top, are
you using, and if you are, howare you using AI in your coaching
practice?
I am using AI. So I had. Forthe last 14 years, I had a marketing
(02:01):
agency, so I was helpingentrepreneurs implement marketing
strategies at work. And assoon as AI became available, it was
a tool that I started using inmy business to basically deliver
more in less time. So I'mabsolutely using it.
(02:21):
So tell me, tell me a littlebit about how you're using it or
tell our audience a little bitabout how you're using it. And are
you excited about it? Is itdifficult? Is it easy? Is it excited?
You're glad it's here. Like,tell me a little bit more about how
you feel about it.
Yeah, so I started usingChatGPT. I mean, the second that
it became available. And Ioften talk about, like, my journey
(02:43):
to adopting to AI. And I thinkit'll apply to your listeners because
there's kind of like fivephases I went through. The first
phase was denial. And mythought process in the denial phase
was like, I don't have toworry about this right now. I don't
want to have to worry aboutthis right now, because when I started
(03:05):
hearing about the tools andeverybody that was starting to use
them in my industry, I. Idon't consider myself an early adopter.
I don't replace my computer ormy phone until it just simply doesn't
work. I'm not the one thatraces out to go get the new technology.
So I stayed in denial probablylonger than I should have. And maybe
some of your listeners rightnow are in that phase. The second
(03:29):
phase that I went into wasacceptance. And this is when I started
to realize. I said, okay, thisis real. I'm starting to see tools,
like, everywhere, and I shouldprobably be using them in my marketing
agency. And then the thirdphase is what I call adoption. And
that's when I startedrealizing, okay, AI isn't the enemy.
(03:50):
It's kind of like theevolution to where, you know, to
where things are going. And I,you. I started using AI, specifically
ChatGPT. It became my creativepartner in helping me brainstorm,
Automate, you know, serve myclients more and in less time. And
at the end of the day, I wasable to deliver, like, a lot more
(04:12):
value. And then here's what,here's the interesting thing. When
I share this with clients, I'mlike, I'm just like you. At first,
I, you know, I resisted it.Then I started to accept it, and
then I started to adopt it,and I started realizing the value
that it brought to mybusiness. And then I regressed. And
that's when fear startedcreeping in. I was, you know, it
(04:35):
was the fear of being replacedby the thing I just learned how to
use. It was the fear of losingthe human side of things. The fear
of everybody feeling andsounding the. The same. All of those
same fears that a lot ofpeople feel when they start to adopt
AI into their. Into theirbusinesses. And then after regression,
though, if you can pushthrough that, you know, that fear
(04:56):
based, then you start to lookat AI and start to think about your
business in terms ofrealignment. So instead of asking,
like, how can I. How can I getAI to do this task for me? I started
asking myself, how can I useAI to make me better? Right? And
so that's kind of like, Idon't know, the evolution to me adopting
(05:19):
AI into my. Into my business,and I could go into all the different
tools that I use. But I thinka lot of listeners are in a. In one
of those five phases rightnow, and they need to recognize where
they're at and just know thatif they can push through each one
of those phases and get to therealignment. They can actually create
a business that provides waymore value than they ever thought
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possible.
Yeah, I thank you. And I agreewith that. I think I didn't jump
in right away either. I heardabout it, and I can't even remember
what happened. Somethinghappened. I don't know if it was
a conversation or somewhere. Iwas. That I thought, I need to look
at this. You know, I need tonot pretend it's not happening or
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whatever. I was just sort ofignoring it. And I did the same thing.
And I don't know, you know, Ilike. I like the five phases. You
know, ignoring it and thenaccept it or acceptance and then
adoption and regression. Ithought that was interesting. Start
worrying about what it is andthen realize more. Bino, are you
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using AI? And if you are, howand what do you think about it?
I am using AI and I actuallyam from the true millennial state.
So, you know, I think I'vegone through every single tech knowledge.
I mean, I was writing papers,and then the typewriter from the
typewriter, the computer fromthe computer, the telephone from
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the. So I think for mygeneration, like, I didn't have the
denial phase. I actually hadmore of the curiosity phase. Like,
initially it was like, oh,what is this? What's happening here?
And where's this going?Because that's just where my. In
every tech world, that's. It'salways been that curiosity phase.
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And I do agree with the levelsof it, because I think the curiosity,
like, it went to realignmentfor us super quick. Because in my
world, that's like, we don'thave this little denial push, pull.
What is this? What is that?It's just this, hey, there's a hot
tool out there, and if I cando something quicker and faster,
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why not, right? And you know,from me coming from writing on a
typewriter and learning how touse a typewriter, and then when the
first computer came out, like,it was like, oh, my God, this is
faster, right? And then, thenGoogle came out. And then when Google
came out, like the whole Bingand Google whatever it was, the first
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ones, it's like, what do youmean? I can search anything anywhere
on a. On a. On a thing. And itjust populates from. You're telling
me I don't have to go to thelibrary and search and go to the
columns and do things? So Ithink, like, the curiosity in my
world has developed over thispast 41 years. And so I use it more
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for, like, if you can do myjob faster still, Being me, then
let me utilize this for socialmedia content. Let me utilize this
to create a business proposalimplementing whatever I need, and
then it writing it for me. Notthat it's taken away my thought process,
because it's still my braindump that I place into it. And then
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it just, you know, formulatesit for me to a level where I'm like,
oh, okay, you just saved me 15hours. Right? And now it's like,
okay, let me go back and makeit. I say, being a isms, right? Let
me go back and make it into mybrand, into my voice, and making
comes in. So it's not like I'mutilizing it to an extent where it's
like a one and done, but Iutilize it where, you know, if you
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can save me 15, 20 hours, thenI'm all on board. Right. So it's
interesting on how, like, somepeople go through this denial phase,
which I guess I didn't reallyknow to understand that till, like,
right now, but I was justsuper curious, like, and now, like,
we integrate a content creatorbot, like, into my coaching business.
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So my coaches have a bot thatthey can utilize. So, you know, they're
able to put in their businessplan and like, all their the prompts
that goes into it. And then itjust helps them guide because it
helps people go from feelingstuck to unstuck very quickly in
the creativity part of it. AndI think that's where the alignment
comes in. And one of thethings that I coach around is if
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you are using AI, we reallytruly want to make sure that it's
in true alignment to who youtruly are, you know.
So did I hear you say thatyou've created a custom GPT that
helps people do stuff?
Yeah. And I asked ChatGPT howto do that.
Yeah. Yeah. Are you using GPT4 or 4.1 as the base engine or.
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Yep, Yep. The highest one. Soevery time a new one comes out, we
are in a paid. A paidcontainer. So every time there's
a new version that comes out,it's automatically integrated. And
I can see it from the firstone where you ask questions and it
was like, it asked you, like,weird things back. You're like, what
is this? Right. And now it'slike, if you were to put in certain
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prompts about you, yourpersonality, like, if you just typed
in your entire life story andyou asked that prompt to be like,
I want you to create 10 reallycreative 10 podcast questions, for
example, it will like, spitout, like, really creative. Like,
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this is what I would ask youOn a podcast, knowing your life story.
And it's not that it's takingthe, your, your information away,
all it's doing, it's justopening it up. For me, it opens up
new pathways of things that Iwould not have even co created versus
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like wow, okay, I didn't eventhink about that. That's an amazing
question. Maybe I should askthat to somebody. And then it's co
creating these new pathways oflike creativity, of like, oh, what
else can I do now? And youknow, when I'm asking chat G and
I use this a lot for likesocial media and a lot for certain
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marketing actually it's like,how do these are. Here is my business
plan. What are some painpoints that I can put up that is
going to be compelling for myaudience? Because sometimes with
marketing it's about how youperceive world and exactly it's the
opposite. It's how otherpeople perceive you. And sometimes,
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especially in coaching world,it's like, oh, but I put this out,
but no one's, no one's talkingto me back. And I'm like, but is
it really, are you reallyhitting their pain point? Are you
really talking to that? And Ido know that, you know, AI has its
limitations. It's not going tohave this human connection that the
three of us are eveninteracting with right now. But if
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we were to take thistranscript and place this into AI
and say, hey, can you make avery powerful storyline out of this?
It's going to come out andit's going to create something and
it just saves all three of ustime for sitting here and typing
it up for each other. It'samazing in that sense.
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Yeah, I agree. So those arereally both interesting and creative
descriptions of how to use it.If you think about what it's changing
and we're talking specificallyabout coaching because it's going
to change a lot of things in alot of businesses and stuff. What
do you think the dangers arefor coaches in terms of what chat?
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I guess where I'm thinkingabout is when I wrote the book, I
ask it and I ask it a bunch ofdifferent ways in different times.
Like given everything you doand that you're getting better at
doubling your capacity everytwo or three months, what's the danger
to coaches? Like what dangerdo you see for the coaching profession,
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either one of you? It doesn't matter.
I'll go first. I'm seeing itfirsthand every single day. So I've,
I've shifted my business awayfrom the agency model where I was
implementing the marketingstrategies into a different environment
and a different approach. Iwon't go into all the details of
that, but I'm still coachingclients one on one. And so one of
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the biggest things that I'mseeing is I'll go and I'll ask a
client, because if you're atrue coach, you know that your job
is not to have all theanswers. Your job is to ask the right
questions so that theydiscover what they already know themselves,
right? To help them discoverthe answers within themselves. A
true coach. And so whathappens is, is when I ask people
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questions today, they'll say,hold on a second, and we'll be in.
We'll be in the middle of acoaching call, and I can see them
typing away. And at first whenthey started doing it, I thought
they were responding to emailsand stuff like that, kind of getting
offended. And I called a fewof them out and they were like, hold
on, I'm asking ChatGPT. AndI'm like, you don't know the answer
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to this. Well, yeah, but Iwant to see what she says. So my
biggest fear and the thingthat I see the most is that AI isn't
necessarily going to take allof our jobs like a lot of coaches
believe to be true. It'staking away our ability to think.
And that is a huge dangerbecause, you know, it's not that.
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It's not. Not using AI that'sthe biggest risk right now. I think
a lot of people have pushedthrough the denial phase and they're
now in the acceptance phase,at least, at the very least. But
they're depending on it somuch that they actually don't even
trust their own responses orown ideas now. And that has happened
so quickly. It's. It'salarming. It's alarming that we can't
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answer simple questions andhave simple dialogue without you
actually having to ask a robotthat knows nothing about you, your
experience, or your life forthe response. That's what's scary.
So let's let me dive into thata little bit. So.
Foreign.
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Asking people questions is a,Is. Is a tried and tested way that
coaches make people think and,and, you know, come up with ideas
even if they don't know theanswer. The act of exploration and
excavation in their own mindand experience and thinking is the
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developing opportunity. It'show they develop their own thinking.
Maybe they did know theanswer. They can think about, think
of it, or an answer at leastin. In the dialogue with the coach.
One of the things that I sawin my analysis Is that chat? The
LLMs in general. But Chatty isgetting so good at asking all those
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questions.
Yes.
You know, and I'm wondering,I'm wondering if there's a. So. So
I agree with your danger. Oneof the things I read in my research
was it isn't about. It's aboutthe lack of development that we experience.
So if we have chat, right, dosome magical thing for us and even
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if we tweak it a bit, it's notthe same as the work that I would
have gone through and who Iwould have become in the soul searching
and work that it took to dothat thing. So I have chat write
me a book. It's not the same.It might be a great book. It has
nothing to do with who Ibecame as I did the research and
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thought through how I wantedto express myself. So that changes
who I am. And I think thatthing is what you're pointing to
in terms of I don't even trustmyself. I'll just have it. It writes
better than I do and so cool.It'll sound good and then I'll sound
good. I'm still the sameperson I was before I wrote the book.
But here's the problem withthat is a problem. It's going to
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sound like everybody else too.And you're going to be able to know.
People will. And they'realready spotting that they already
know when it's not a realexperience behind the information
that you're sharing and beinga hit on the nail on the head. There
are so many tools out therethat we can use that can help us
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expand on our ability to beable to stay true to what a coach
is. A coach asks key questionsto help the person discover the answer
that they have withinthemselves. ChatGPT will prompt you,
do you want me to do this nowor do you want me to do that now?
But the tools that Dina wasspeaking to, I use a tool, it's called
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formwise. Basically, it's insimplest terms because I don't, I'm
not super techy myself, butthe way I understand it, I don't
program. I use the programs.Right. It's an overlay over top of
ChatGPT. So ChatGPT and toolsalike are basically, it's a glorified
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tool for, for, for asking, youknow, questions. But if you don't
know the questions to ask,which is the core of what coaches,
the whole reason why coachesexist, people don't know what questions
to ask themselves to digdeeper into the problem, they're
Trying to solve, that's whatcoaches bring to the table. So if
you can use a tool likeFormwise and actually feed form wise
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the questions that they shouldbe asking themselves. Now what you're
doing is you're combining anAI experience with the coach's experience
and being able to ask the keyand critical questions to get them
to come up with the answer. AmI making sense on that?
Yeah, you're making sense.We're going to dive into that pretty
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deep because I got somethoughts about that, but I want to.
What do you see? Do you seedangers for coaches with ChatGPT
and its evolution and how fastit's getting better? My experience
is it gets really good at evenasking the questions like you don't
have to. I've seen some coachmodels that have been built that,
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that ask, that ask, useempathetic language, that ask powerful
questions, that point outinconsistencies in the conversation
and that do a pretty good job.And that's one of the things that
makes me think that kosher'sthe big 90, the big middle. There's
a space for elite, but the bigmiddle is going to be gutted and
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gone. But anyway, been I'minterested in your thoughts about
the danger that chat might ordoes or doesn't pose for the coaching
business.
It can go either way. I thinkit's a self perception based on this
and how do you utilize it? Sothere is a new app that is coming
out shortly around using threeprinciples around AI and you can
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ask these questions and it'sreally giving you empathetic questions
back just like a coach. Right.And if you train AI to a level of
doing that, then you're ableto serve more people in a very short
period of time. That there isa good, there is good in that right
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now. The negative side ofthat, it doesn't have the human connections.
You are still talking to ascreen, you are still talking or
chatting and you're looking ata phone or a device and we're not
having those connections heartto heart conversations with the human
being, which is very vital inhuman Life. You know, ChatGPT is
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great. I'm not going to knockit off. I'm not going to say there's
all these different tools andregulations you can have around it.
And at the same time it's justlike when you just need a hug and
you just want somebody to sitthere and support you and cry in
presence. ChatGPT will notoffer that at all, you know, and
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I think that's where yes it'sgoing to be incorporated into a lot
of coaching industries. It'snot going to take away your job.
I think what coaches have todo is they have to embed it somehow
some way and they have tolevel up their co, their client journey
with it. Right. And then alsooffer that support where it's like,
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hey, I'm going to give youthis particular support and also
you need to have some sort ofhuman connections involved with that
or you give them the choices.And it really is going to go back
to the client experience oflike, nope, I just want to be here
because this new generation isvery much into Chat GPT and all in
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things and that part doesscare me because they just don't
understand what the humanconnections are. They're not able
to have conversations in realtime and go into networking events
and they become, and I'm goingto say this in a very non political
way, they can become veryantisocial. And I think that's when
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we're talking aboutconfidence, when we talk about our
body imaging, everything elsethat comes with that is not being
foreseen because it's hidingbehind, it's hiding behind something.
And when we're talking aboutself discovery and we're talking
about evolution and all thesedifferent things, our mind needs
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those physical like things.Just like when we were in high school
and you know the mean girlsituation, right. It's like, oh,
that's a high school thing.But guess what, all these children
has to experience some sort oflevel of that. So your brain can
develop in a very natural way.
Right?
And our frontal cortex has notdeveloped until we're in our 20s.
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And I think what's happening,and that's the scary part that I
see with ChatGPT is how isthis affecting our long term like
our, our generations to come,how is this frontal cortex that's
not being fully developed fromthese emotional connections and they're
utilizing this with ChatGPT.Now in the coaching world I can see
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it being developed and levelup and that there's nothing wrong
with that. I am because I comefrom that generation and also making
sure that all of our clients,if they are utilizing it, what are
we utilizing it for? What isthe purpose that we're utilizing
it and is it, is it in truealignment? Which I like what Misty
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said, is it in true alignmentfor what we are co creating? Because
if it's not, if it's like,hey, I'm depressed and I want to
use Chat GPT to help me to, toget rid of a Therap. Yeah, I think
that's wrong. Like, yeah,that's not going to help you.
There's different degrees ofcoaches, obviously, and in terms
of what their specialty is,I'm a marketing coach. Like, I'm
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not getting into this and it'svery good at prompting you. Do you
want to include this in yoursocial post? Do you want to include
this in your video script?Right. Where it's, where it's really
falling short. And I thinkthis is a gigantic danger. I don't
typically speak to it becauseI don't live in this space. Is the,
is when someone turns to achatgpt for emotional support, like
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Bina said. And because rightnow, the way that these tools are
designed, they're designed tobe agreeable. So if I'm not in the
right frame of mind and I'mthinking suicide, I'm thinking this
is the end of civilization. IfI'm, if I'm a doomsday thinker at
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this moment and I startturning to AI to support my ideas
and my thinking, we're openingup a very dangerous can of worms
that, because AI today issupportive in nature. So when it's,
when I say I'm thinking aboutcommitting suicide and this has been
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documented, I don't haveaccess to the resources. We could
always get those later. But ifI'm thinking about suicide and I'm
turning to ChatGPT or a toolalike and I'm saying, you know, what
do you think? And it's goingto be agreeable to me, it's going
to lead me down a verydestructive path.
So, yeah, I've seen some of that.
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There's been, there's beenlike open air has been sued.
So let me ask a differentquestion. I want to push on this
really hard for a minute. I, Ithink there's space. I really do
believe 95% of coaches as itis implemented today won't have anything
to do. And here's why. And I'mgoing to. You guys can disagree,
but, but I do think there'ssomething left and it has to do with
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this, the human piece of itthat I can't bleed, that it came
back and told me about. Right.I can't bleed. But most of coaching
as it is implemented today, asevidenced by the fact that coaches
today don't, most of themdon't make very much money, meaning
they don't provide value thatpeople are willing to pour money
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on, aren't creating thecircumstances of that super high
value in the circumstance, inthe container of coaching so I'm
going to say I talk to a lotof coaches, not only here, but just
in general. Most of my clientsaren't that, but I end up in conversations
with a lot of them. And here'ssomething I hear all the time. Well,
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you know, I can help otherpeople with their fill in the blank,
their self doubt and theirproblems and their negativity and
I can help all that. But me, Istill am struggling with this and
that and I can't figure outhow I can help other people solve
those problems, but I can't.This, that and the other. And to
me that is a giant red flag.And here's why. To me, that's like
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taking health advice from adoctor who's got to go out every
five minutes and take a smoke break.
Do you mind if I comment onthat real quick?
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay.
The minute some a coach andI'm going to just call this out as
it is. If they don't have. Doyou mind if I shouldn't use bad language
on this conversation?
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I don't care.
Okay, well, I have to ask forpermission. If they don't have their
shit together, they should notbe coaching.
Right.
And 90 million percent of theones that are coaching are. That's
my point. In the example, theyare not the embodiment. When they
walk into a room, the truthsthat they are, quote, helping their
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clients with are not leakingout of their eyes and running out
of their pores. They don'tchange the app and that's all that's
going to be left. The onlypeople that are going to be left
in the coaching business aregoing to be really valuable. They'll
be highly paid and they'regoing to be the ones that are truly
the product of the productthey are and live the embodiment.
And 90% of them are not.
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Yeah, and I agree with you onthat. And I really do believe that
AI is going to filter thosepeople out. And I'm not going to
lie to you, they shouldn't becoaching or getting paid for it anyways.
Because if you can't today.
No, no, it's okay. I want youto finish. If you can't. And this.
They talk about a thing overthere. They talk about that thing
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over there. In other words,they read or learned or took some
classes or got somecertifications about this or that
modality and they talk aboutthat thing over there. And that's
valuable, but at the levelthat really makes change and matters,
that isn't valuable and itdoesn't last Very long. And that
whole middle. And I say 95%.But whatever the number is, that's
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going to be gone. And that'sgoing to present a real challenge
for coaches. And I thinkthere's three reasons. One is the
head in the sand problem,which Misty, you alluded to. I'm
going to pretend this isn'thappening or it's happening slowly,
and I'm going to pretend thattsunami is not coming. Okay, cool.
And.
And you're dead. Number two iswhat I call the anti problem. Think
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about being in a casino andthere's lots of $10 blackjack tables,
and all those blackjack tablesare full of robots. And the only
place that there's left for aperson, me or you, to go sit down
is in the high roller room. Orthe anti is 10,000 bucks. So in my
mind, the ante to be a goodcoach just went up 10,000 or 1,000
times. And the third problemis being the true product of the
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product all the time. Not ajacket you put on, but a place that
you are in terms of who youactually are. That's hard work.
It's a lot of work.
And so hard work. Andy's goneup a thousand times and head in the
sand. That's the filter. Andthat's going to be the great sifting,
as it were, in the business.
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And I do agree with you onthat because a lot of coaches in
general, only 5% of thecoaches actually do make it to the
extent. Extent of whateversuccess means to whoever the. Whoever
is listening. Correct. Andit's a practice like you're going
to be faced something over andover and over again. And only there's
only still. If you think aboutit, even now, there's only still
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a handful of coaches that areactually coaching full time and evolving
over the time because they'restill doing the work on themselves.
And that's where I think AI ingeneral can be a lack of or a devil's
advocate. Right. You do need acoach to still be accountable, even
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for myself. Like, I need topractice what I embody, so help whoever
I preach. And that's where Ithink AI is going to have a very
big disconnect again becauseof that human connection. You know,
you can do the middle groundwork and I can. I can create a bot.
I can create this. I cancreate all these different tools.
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And at the same time, if I.And it goes back to what Misty said.
If I'm not in alignment withwhat my end goal is or what my global
impact is, you know, AI canconsume a lot of what you're calling
this middle ground.Absolutely. You know, but that human
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connection. And you know,given the, the, the analogy of robots.
Yeah, because I would look, Ipersonally would look for not, but
that this is me, myself and I,I look for that human connection.
I rather you be behind thetable or Misty being next to me versus
me talking to a robot, youknow, and I think it's, again, it
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goes back to this perceptionof, well, what are you truly creating
in your world? Where is this,what, what perception is being created
and what's the real realitybehind it? And I think what's happening
is we're hiding the realreality behind a perception of what
I can or cannot create, thatcan or cannot create because we're
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just dissolving the reality.And what we're facing with is, you
know what? I am depressed. Ihave this problem, I have, I'm not
enough. All these differentthings that we tell ourselves and
now here AI is supporting itand, or covering it up saying, you
know what, you are this greatperson, you are doing this, you are
this million dollar person.But in reality it's all just really
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fake in this world and we'rereally not truly what we are because
we're out of alignment.
Well, that's one of thereasons I'm writing the book, is
to call that out. Misty, go ahead.
Sorry. Yeah, well, I want tochime in on this because I know there
may be some new coaches thatare either thinking about entering
into the field or maybethey're new to the field or whatever,
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or they've been in the field.I know, I've been through this myself,
personally. I've been doingthis. I mean, you can't be on this
earth 50 years and not have aton of experiences and a ton, a ton
of advice that you can givesomeone else and share with someone
else through your own learnedexperiences. Right. You just can't,
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you can't be on this earth 10years and not have experience. Okay,
I think we can all agree withthat. And I think the danger, and
I hear this all the time. I'veheard this for years and I've said
this for years. The danger is,is that we, the 50 year old me, can
get on my high horse and say,well, if you don't have the experience
I have, and if you haven'tbeen around 50 years and you haven't
walked in my shoes and youhaven't done what I've done, you
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don't have a place in thisfield and that's not true. That is
not true. Because it can soundlike that when you hear it. Because,
you know, there's a gal Istarted listening to a couple of
years ago. Her name's TanyaSpangalo, and she had gastric bypass.
And when she first started herchannels in social and started sharing
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her journey, and I don't knowthat she considers herself necessarily
a coach, although I do knowthat she has calls with people and
shares her experience. Youknow, she had just had the gastric
bypass, had lost a little bitof weight, but she had not arrived.
Because I think there's adanger in us speaking to. If you
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haven't arrived, if you don'thave your shit together, which I've
said for many years, by theway, and I'll still say it in. In
some capacity, but you have tostart where you are and lead from
where you are. You don't needto have arrived. She didn't have
to. She just recently hit herweight loss goal and she's been doing
this for several years. Yeah.So if you're. If you're a coach listening
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in and you just heard us talkabout, you know, you need to have
your together, you need to dothis and you need to do that. Yes.
You need to start where youare and lead from where you're at.
When I started my coachingbusiness in marketing, I had a marketing
degree, but I was taught howto run radio ads, billboards, big
brands, Coca Cola, theWalmarts of the world. And then when
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I started my co. My coachingbusiness, Facebook was just getting
started and businesses werestarting to use the platform. Nobody
had experience, nobodyunderstood really how to utilize
the platform to have success.I didn't know how to do it, but I
did know how to set up aFacebook page, and that's where I
started. Let me show you, Mr.Business Owner. Mrs. Business Owner,
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let me show you how to set upyour Facebook page. Did I have all
the answers? No. But I startedwhere I was. I'm not putting on a
code of saying I've had a. Youknow, I've made a bazillion dollars
on Facebook. I'm not. L. Ithink we all know, like, don't lie.
Right. Don't lie, but leadfrom where you are, wherever that
is. If you just lost fivepounds, if you just had surgery and
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you can walk someone elsethrough the surgery path you just
went through. Yeah, there's aspace for you. So.
And that's where. Yeah, andthat's where, like, you know, in
my world, like, when peopleare utilizing chat GPT for an example.
Right. They're like, I don'tknow how to use this. It's like,
well, I've been doing this nowfor. For a couple of years. I don't
know a lot about a lot. I knowa little about a lot, right? I know
a little bit about a lot.
(36:17):
Yes.
So it's like teaching them howto incorporate that is. It is key.
And I do think that's wherecoaching is still going to thrive
because of those. That's whereI think coaching is really going
to thrive is like those lifeexperiences. Right. So you. You've
done Facebook, like a Facebookpage. I didn't know what a Facebook
page was till like five yearsago. Right. I mean, I like. Because
(36:38):
I wasn't in the businessworld. Right. I was at bedside saving
lives. And so it's like,there's still like a lot of learning
tools that I think when you'retalking about with Keelan, like,
when we're talking about.There's always going to.
Still.
Yes. Some of it's going todissolve and people who don't know
what they're doing are notgoing to know. They're not going
(36:58):
to know. But for the ones thathave that curiosity of, like, I want
to learn even a little bitfrom a Misty from Akeelin, those
ones are going to still,really, truly still thrive.
Yeah.
Well.
And you can use Tanya Spingeloas a perfect example. I can go to
ChatGPT saying, Hey, G. I callhim G just because I speak really
fast and it's a slur and Ispit, but I say, hey, G, I'm thinking
(37:22):
about having gastric bypass.I'm not, but I'm just saying in theory,
I'm thinking about havinggastric bypass. Tell me, you know,
what to expect and G's goingto give you a response. But. But
there's nothing that replacesme turning. If Tanya was a friend
of mine or some. A trustedsource connection, the human connection,
where I can turn to her andsay, hey, Tanya, listen, I know these
(37:44):
are the steps and I know thisis the procedure and I know. I know
what I can expect, but whatwas your experience? Yeah, how did
this. You know, what were the.What were. What are the tips and
tricks and. And things thatyou can share with me on a human
level, the experience.Experiences. Chat GPT does not have
an experience. Can I say thatwith clapping?
Yes.
It does not have anexperience. It does not bleed. It
(38:07):
does not have surgery. It doesnot push out babies. It does not.
It does not do any of that. Itcan tell you the procedure, it can
tell you the processes. It canshare someone else's experience.
If you say, hey, I have afriend who's famous who had a baby,
tell me what their experiencewas, it can reiterate what it said,
but it does not have the sameexperience. And that is the thing,
(38:28):
I think we. We, when we becomeso dependent on G being our voice
to say things pretty, we'relosing our story. And that's the
problem.
So I'm going to say something.
I agree with you.
Look at me.
I'm passionate because I seethis every day.
This is what I wanted to call.I would go so far as to say, if you're
(38:52):
really going to coach, theonly thing you can coach is where
you've been. Like, you can'treally coach anywhere else.
You can't. 100%, you can't.
All that that becomes is. I'mtalking about that thing over there.
Exactly.
Which is what she does.
Yeah. That's not the truth.The truth of your lived experience
is what lives in the 5%.
(39:13):
Correct.
And all the rest, which istalking about that thing over there,
however good it is. And I'mgoing to give you an example, Bina,
you're dying to say something.
So say I am. So it's theexperience part because I do a lot
of corporate wellness and I'veclosed over $10 million in sales.
Different organizations.Everybody always asks me, how do
(39:33):
you do it? You know, they'llgo, I wrote this proposal and I've
done this, and now what do Ido with it? And the number one thing
I tell people is have aconversation. ChatGPT cannot teach
you how to have theconversation. They can't teach you
how to get into a room whereit matters. They can't teach you,
(39:54):
like, you know, going into anetworking event and having an amazing
conversation with Misty orwith you and me. And you've done
this before, Keelan. Right.And we've left that in that. That
impression of like, oh, myGod. I'm curious to learn more about
you and about who you are,where you came from, and now I'm
curious to learn what you'redoing in this world. Chatgpt cannot
(40:18):
teach that.
Well, it can give you thequestions to ask. It can't give you
the guts to do it.
Correct. That's what I'msaying. Like, that's my point.
It doesn't create theconnection. You all know what it's
like to walk into a room or tobe in a room with your back to the
door and Somebody walks inwho's angry, and you can feel the
energy, and you don't evenhave to turn around and see them.
(40:38):
So the truth that's left, allof the stuff that isn't grounded.
Let's put it this way, whatI'm hearing you say, and I agree
with, it's not grounded in. Inthe truth of the human experience
is going to be used by therobots that are masters of the. Not
in the human experience.
Everything that is wealth of knowledge.
(40:59):
The wealth of knowledge in thehuman experience is going to be what
we've got left to work with.
And that's the thing, though.When you talk about the coaches who
are not succeeding, it isbecause they've taken on someone
else's process. They'velearned someone else's procedure.
That thing over there, overthere, it's the copycatters, the
(41:23):
cookie cutters. Oh, my God.
But I've. You got to startsomewhere. You. You have to adopt
a learning in order to. Totake the first step in order to learn
your own experiences. Sothere's not. Again, I want to say
this loud and clear because I.I think we live in a world where
(41:43):
they're. We're like, if you'renot 50, with a ton of experiences.
In my experiences, you don'thave a place in this world. And that
is not true.
I interviewed a dude on thispodcast not, well, several hundred
episodes ago. He was 23 yearsold. He grew up in the project in
I forgot what city. And by thetime we got done, I was blown away.
(42:06):
And it takes a lot to blowcoming away, trust me. I was like,
dude, I love it. Your livedexperience in the short number of
minutes you've been aroundcompared to the rest of us geezers.
I'll speak for me, not for youguys. I'll be 70 in December. So
it has nothing to do with age.That came from his lived experience.
(42:30):
And you do have to be trainedand adopt a methodology. You know
what my experience with this.I don't know if you guys are old
enough to remember JohnnyCarson on the Tonight Show. Yeah,
okay. When Johnny Carson leftthe Tonight show and Jay Leno took
over, I wasn't a regularwatcher of Carson. I watched him
occasionally, but I did watchthe first nights of Leno, and it
(42:53):
was really obvious that he wastrying really hard and doing good,
and he did not yet own thatstage. I watched him two years later,
and he owned the stage. Yeah,same, same jokes, same stuff. There
was that thing, and that thingis all that's left. And that's the
(43:17):
thesis. That's all that's leftbecause all the rest of it will be
gone.
Yeah. If you think that youcan use a Chat GPT or an AI tool,
doesn't matter what it is. Ifyou can use a tool to create your
experiences, that's whereyou're going to be left in the dust.
And everybody is going to callyou out on your crap. They're going
(43:41):
to call you out on beingtrained by AI. But, but if that's
where you're starting and you,you say to yourself, I want to start
a business or I want to starta coaching business in this space,
what should I do? Chatbots toget started. It's going to give you
the steps and procedures and,but it isn't until. And you can use
(44:03):
those steps and procedures togo work with a person, work with
your first client, work withyour second client, and then all
of a sudden you have 5clients, 10 clients, 20 clients,
100 clients under your belt.And now you're going to, you're going
to turn less to chatbots forguidance and more into leaning into
your own experiences throughthe work that you've done. And that
(44:25):
is the key, that is the futureof AI. The people who will, who will
succeed in this industry isthe ones that doesn't allow AI to
overspeak their ownexperiences. Like, if I ask you if
you've been doing this for 10years and I ask you a question and
you have to go ask ChatGPT forthe freaking answer, you have a problem.
(44:46):
You have gone too far, deepinto utilizing this AI tool. You
know the answer. Speak fromyour own heart. Now, that doesn't
mean I love to use chat GPT.I've been married 31 years. My husband
and I been together since wewere 15 years old. I do not. He says
it, he just said it yesterdayto me. He goes, are you going to
finish the sentence or do Ihave to? Because I'll start a sentence.
(45:09):
I'm. And I have menopausebrain. So, like, I forget words and
I forget ideas and I forgetwhere I was going with it. And so
he'll Finish my sentence.ChatGPT is great for a great tool
to turn to for that when youhave learned experiences and you're
saying, hey, G, I had thisexperience, but I can't quite get
my finger on how to share thatwith other people in a meaningful
and deep way. Can you help mewith that? You know what I mean?
(45:33):
So you're, you're, what you'redoing is you're Leaning on these
AI tools to, to share your experiences.
So it's more like what you'restating is that it's like a resource.
Yes.
Yeah, use it like a resource,not utilize it as a first line of
defense. Yes, is what I'mhearing you state.
(45:53):
And so what I guess the way Iagree with both, all of you, everything
you've said, it is it makesthings faster. You said that to start
with. Why wouldn't you use itif it does things faster? But it
isn't ever going to take awaythe heart, the real work of becoming
human.
It shouldn't. If it does, thenyou won't, nobody will hear you because
it's going to sound likeeverybody else that's doing the same
(46:15):
thing. But when you bring yourown experiences to the table and
use it to do things faster. Todo. To. To dive deeper into it, to
explain it in a better way.Right, explain my experience in a
better way. That's. I. Iturned to ChatGPT when I wrote my
personal memoir. ChatGPTdoesn't know anything about my personal
(46:35):
story unless I tell it right.But it can help me find the right
words to share. But it can'tgive me the story.
No. You know what I did when Iwas doing this research? So I've
written, as you guys know, 20something books and I have a thousand
podcast episodes. And so Icreated a thread in chatty called
One Million Words. And Iuploaded it all this stuff and I
(46:57):
asked it after a while, howmuch stuff's in here? It said a million.
Are you kidding? It's morelike between 4 and 7 million words.
So when I talk to chat aboutanything, it talks. It's talks like
I do. I mean, it uses mylanguage. It quotes out of my books,
it quotes out of my podcast.You know, it does that. Which I find
really useful.
But absolutely.
(47:18):
One of the things that I gotit to, the I can't bleed thing is
I asked it, okay, fine, youknow all this stuff, you've seen
all my books and everything,who am I? And I ask it to tell me
who I am. And it said all thisstuff that was really being agreeable.
I know, but I told it, don'tdo that. But it doesn't matter. It
said all this stuff anyway.And here's the interesting thing.
(47:40):
The way that it wrote that interms of reflecting that was in very
powerful language. And itaffected me emotionally to read that.
So I read it and I'm like,holy crap. And then I said, okay,
your code, how come I'mweeping As I read this crap, you
(48:00):
just told me, what is it aboutthis that does that? And it said,
I'm not telling you anything.I'm reflecting to you what I see.
Wow.
And then that hit me hard. Andthen I said, okay, fine, you do all
this stuff really good. Whatis it that you don't do? And then
it's when it said, I can't bleed.
(48:21):
Yep. I can't have the human experience.
Yeah. So this has really beenreally interesting. We've used up
all of our time, and we'reabout done. Anybody have any last
things you want to make surethat gets said before we're done
today?
I think it's a combination ofwhat Bina said. What we've all said
here is, you know, AI can'treplace the human experience, the
(48:44):
empathy, the intuition, thepresence, and the personal experience
that we have as human beings.But it is a great tool and a great
resource to help us articulatethat experience in a meaningful and
impactful way that we may nothave otherwise found the words to
share. That's the way I lookat it today.
(49:08):
Cool.
Yeah, I'm kind of gonna dittothat. I think, like, you know, I
think it's just when you arelike, I'm fully dyslexic, and I utilize
chat, GPT, or AI to help mearticulate something that I'm unable
to do because my brain or myprocessing just is, like, stuck.
(49:31):
Or I'm like, I just don't knowhow to say this, or I feel. And this
is an imposter syndrome on mewhere I'm like, I'm just not a good
writer because of my dyslexia.Let me have. Let me put in my experience
or let me voice what I'mstating, and then can you now write
this in a very professional way?
Right.
And so I think it's just. It'sa really good tool, a resource. It's
(49:54):
a really good resource for itto refine what you're trying to state
in a tone or a language thatyou may or may not be comfortable
in writing. And I think that'swhat it really does. So if you want
to create something in acreative tone and you're not, you
feel that you may or may notbe creative, but it's not comfortable
(50:15):
for you. This will help youbecome uncomfortable faster and a
lot more confident in a. In aclearer direction. And I think that's
really where I is going toexcel for those types of situations
where I. I know what I need todo, and I know where I want to go
(50:37):
and I'm just going to use AIto help me assist with that.
I want to thank both of youfor being here today and sharing
your thoughts. You know, as Ireflect on everything you've said
and I reflect also on thedifferent tones and emotions and
experiences and all the kindsof things that we've just created
here. And I was thinking, howgood would this have been? How effective
(51:01):
would this have been if I hadbeen chat GPT trying to create this
conversation? It would have,it would have been an abysmal failure.
I don't think it would have, Idon't think it would have sparked
any of these raw emotions thatcomes out with it.
No, that's what I was justthinking, you know, I'm so excited.
(51:24):
Yeah, it wouldn't be creatingthat kind of thing, right?
No, it wouldn't. Wouldn't haveco created any of these emotional
responses that came up or the,the reactivity behind it or that
excitement when you were like,bina, you want something to say?
I'm like, yes, I do, I do, Ido, I do. Right. It, it wouldn't
have created that because youcould ask a question in a series
(51:44):
of questions, but it's notgoing to revoke an emotional response.
And those emotional responseswith the follow up question, unless
you're in live time in chatGPT, you won't be able to do that
lifetime. You'd be like, holdon, Bina, let me check in this. And
then.
No, no, I get it. All right,well, we need to be done here. I
(52:04):
want to thank both of you forbeing here and listeners, I want
you to take this. This hasbeen a very lively and excellent
episode with opinions. We'vegot a, you know, a person that's
looking at things from Misty,is a had been a marketing coach and
doesn't dive in, into thedeeply personal stuff by design.
That's not what she wants to do.
Exactly.
On the other hand, Bina as anurse coach does do that work and
(52:27):
is very much in the work ofpersonal development, where you're
making choices about who youare and how you show up in the world.
But both of those skills arenecessary and important. And the
whole point of this episodeand all the rest is to help you make
the choices you need to maketo create your ultimate life.
(52:52):
I open your heart and this time.
Around, right here, right now,your opportunity for massive growth
is right in front of you.Every episode gives you practical
tips and practices that willchange everything. If you want to
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