September 23, 2025 • 44 mins
What if 100 seconds could revolutionize your workplace culture, reduce accidents by 57%, and increase productivity by 37%?
Meet Patrick Cowden - a 42-year corporate technology veteran turned "human interaction architect" who discovered something remarkable: "The source of all things is kindness." But he didn't stop at philosophy. He engineered it.
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✅ How technology is revolutionizing human interaction at scale.
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I've been tasked to build amachine where every human being in
the world can truly feel seen,heard, and valued.
Welcome to the show.
Tired of the hype about livingthe dream.
It's time for truth.
This is the place for tools,power, and real talk, so you can
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create the life you dream and deserve.
Your ultimate life.
Subscribe, share, create.
You have infinite power.
Hello, and welcome to yourultimate life.
Not the show, your ultimate life.
The opportunity to create alife of purpose, prosperity, and
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joy.
Because you said so, becauseyou want to, because you have your
thumb on the throttle.
And I'm welcoming today aspecial guest, Patrick Crowden from
Berlin, Germany.
Patrick, welcome to the show.
Thank you, Kellen.
I'm glad to be here.
It's a pleasure.
So I'm excited.
And I don't do an intro toguests just because it all comes
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out in the interview.
So what I'd like you to do is,without any semblance of modesty
at all, I'd like you toexamine your life right now and tell
the listeners, what doesPatrick do on purpose to add good
to the world?
Yeah, that's a wonderfulquestion to get started on.
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You know, they call me anarchitect, Like a human interaction
architect.
Oh, I love that human hia.
You should acronym and izethat and use it.
Hia.
Human interaction architect.
Go for it.
Haya.
Haya.
I'm a higher right, so, youknow, I'm a German American, Japanese
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engineer.
And so I've been tasked builda machine where every human being
in the world can truly feelseen, heard, and valued every moment
of their existence.
So I'm going to.
I'm building that, I wouldguess, so that we can all feel touched,
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uplifted, and transcend ourcurrent state into a place of joy.
Truly, I did, you know, as yousay, those words, they, like, have
a visceral impact on me.
Every human being seen, heard, valued.
You know, you see pictures,floods that took place in Texas a
few weeks ago and wars thatare going on in different places,
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and we've got a Ukrainianrefugee family that has been living
with us for three years now,since June of 22, my mother and daughter.
And you look at the conflictsand the death and the destruction,
and then you juxtapose thatwith every human being seen, heard,
and valued.
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The scope of that statement is just.
It rattles loud enough toshake the black hole at the middle
of the milky Way.
You know, I.
You know, I. I mean, that'show I experience that right now.
Like, what started this ideafor you?
Because that's a colossalundertaking and I am absolutely all
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in.
Amen.
I appreciate that.
You know, so 18 years ago whenI had that moment, that juxtaposition
of the universe where theblack hole trembled and sent me a
note, right?
And.
But I did build a 42 year planbecause I said, damn, that's a big
deal.
That's going to take a while.
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The 42 years, was that inconnection with Isaac Asimov's that
the answer to everything is42, or that was just something else?
Just part of it.
I happened to be 42 years atthe time and I had been serving the
God of profit, destroying thegoddamn planet, making sure no one
was seen, heard or valuedevery single day of their fucking
life.
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And I said, wait a minute,we're squeezing the lemon.
We're squeezing humanity out.
I'm part of the machine that'sjust done that.
And I realized, oh shit,everyone in the world is going to
copy high tech and we're goingto squeeze humanity out of humanity.
And I felt something needs to change.
And being German Germanic, Isat down with a couple friends and
we did a 42 year plan ofeverything that needs to happen for
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that to even becomeimaginable, much less possible.
And we're 18 years in andwe're good news for the planet we're
on plan, it's going to work.
You've been saved.
You just don't realize it yet.
I love that.
So what I'd like to do isstart there.
Because my own personaljourney started in 2007 with a divine
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intervention in August thismonth, 18 years ago right now.
But this show isn't about me.
So nobody falls up that mountain.
So tell me what was going on18 years ago that, that began this,
this cosmic earthquake.
Well, we're both fortunatethat about the same time these things
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hit us.
Yours has a name, her name is Joy.
Mine has a name, her name is Tang.
All right, so tell me about this.
You know, we were in troubleback then.
We were, we were following aroute to self destruction one way
or another.
And that route, we were on abig chunk of humanity and the world
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was on that path, especiallyin big corporations and big companies.
And you know, I was fortunate.
I grew up in the military.
My dad in the military drillSergeant Command.
Sergeant Major.
He turns 80 now.
I still call him Sergeant Major.
Right.
Wow.
And that's it.
That, that had an influence onmy life.
And, and after that, 42 yearsof high tech, I just looked at the
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numbers.
Damn.
I've been doing this for 42 years.
Wait a minute.
When I was 42, I did a 42 yearplan that gets me to 84.
So, so all these things startpopping together.
And probably the reason Iworked on three continents in 20
some different jobs at a dozenblue chip companies, working myself
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up from an aircraft refuelingoperator to run in the biggest markets
outside the United States forDell Computer or for Hitachi outside
of Japan.
And, and kicking it, you know,kicking it and killing it and figuring
it out and doing things, butit just was never enough.
It just wasn't.
It just doesn't give you what,what you were looking for truly in
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life.
Right.
You know, I did try to takecare of people.
I felt, I felt the people partcalling at me the whole time.
But the companies and thecorporations and Milton Friedman
were telling me people don'tmatter, only profit.
Shut the up.
You're not paid to, you know,to think about, execute, right?
And I was thinking,something's wrong about this machine
because I'm losing it.
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I'm, I'm, you know, gettingdivorced multiple times.
I'm losing everything that'svaluable to me.
I'm, I'm seeing people die atwork from overwork, you know, and,
and we're killing them.
Something's not right.
And I think I'm glad thecalling came.
I'm glad we got started andI'm glad we built a, we built this
thing, we call it warm space.
We built something that makesa difference, right?
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And it, and it works and it'schanging things and it's giving us
the opportunity to breathe, toslow down, to breathe, to be present,
to be there in every singlemeeting, every single day, everywhere
in the world, you know, sothat's the deal.
It is a massive deal.
What was the core of the epiphany?
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Like, what happened to, asmuch as you want to describe, I mean,
you know, level of disclosureis up to you.
But what happened?
Was it event, was it a seriesof events?
Was it gradual but steep?
Was it sudden, like fallingoff a cliff, like what caused.
And you said you were peopleto a degree, people oriented before,
and that's fine, but somethingchanged significantly because before
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you were grinding andproducing and creating and you said,
I'm done with this treadmill,I'm going to go do something else.
Not with less passion, infact, with more, because now it's
purpose driven.
So tell me as much as you'dlike to, about what happened and
the reason I want you to isbecause my experience is every single
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person, every one of youlistening right now.
You Feel the spiritual nudges.
You ignore them.
You pretend you can't do them.
You pretend it's not your season.
You stack up reasons not to.
And, you know, we've all donethat until you stop.
And I want to know what madeyou stop.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you, Kellen.
Yeah.
It's one of those momentswhere, you know, the moments in your
life, you know, change things.
I had a lot of those because Ihad a rough and crazy life.
And a lot of the listeners outthere, you know, you've had rough
and crazy lives, you know, Right.
I. I woke up naked in a gutterwith a needle in my arm when I was
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a young person.
And I had to make a choice, amI going to get up and live or not?
You know, so that's a lifechanging event for sure.
Right.
And for about 20 years, 25years after that, after, you know,
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failing miserably over andover and over again, you know, Right.
When it gets really good, Ihad this tendency to self destruct,
and that came from trauma thatI had as a little kid, Sergeant command,
sergeant Major, you know,whooping on his son.
Right.
So that trauma had a lot ofinfluence on a big part of my life.
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And things kept falling apart,but I would always get up and figure
it out and go back, serve thebeast, you know, be more successful,
break it, fail miserably, falldown, get back up, do it again.
And the fifth time thathappened in my life, you know, and
I'm 42 years old at the time,it took me down like never before.
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And I was down and my wife anddaughter were gone.
Lost my family again, myhouse, my job, all by myself.
And it got real dark.
I gotta tell you, I got to apoint where the first time in my
life, even though I'd beenthrough the toughest things ever,
I lost myself for the first time.
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And in that moment ofdarkness, I awoke.
I awoke.
The light came in, the callingcame, the voice came.
It says it's on you now to gofigure it out.
Away where no one ever feelsthis way again in the world.
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And I stood up, I said, oh, Igot to go figure it out.
I said, oh, the God didn'ttell me what the am I supposed to
figure out?
And God, God don't call yousecond time, right?
So I stood up and.
And I knew.
And then I started.
And I haven't.
I haven't stopped since.
I love.
I. I just go figure it out.
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So nobody feels like this.
It wasn't.
Go, go figure this out.
So you quit Doing this,Patrick, it was, go figure it out
so others don't feel like that.
One of the things I noticeover and over again from people is
that when they have thesemoments, whether they're in the gutter
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or, you know, whatever,anybody's moment or moments of epiphany
is when they start to respond,there always arises with that growth,
the yearning to help others.
I've asked this question amillion times to people, so you fixed,
you cool.
Why didn't you stop there?
Like, why did you suddenlyfeel like you go ahead to, you're
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okay now, you got it handled.
Why?
And the answer is universal.
It's a calling.
It's a universal thing becausewe are who we are.
We came from the same God, divinity.
We are that.
And we're built literallyphysically, neurotransmitters and
all to love and serve.
And I'm sure there's aspiritual analog to that in the spirit
being, to neurotransmitters.
We just don't have the names.
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So that's interesting that thedirection was.
So nobody feels like that.
What did you start with?
I mean, obviously when you hitthat kind of low, there's some personal
work that has to be done,depending on what it is.
Sobriety, financial things, whatever.
What.
What were your first steps inthe first year or two to start this
new direction?
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I started with questions like,wow, you know, so what is the source
of all things?
You know, what it.
What is the true source of success?
I had definitely been on thewrong path.
That wasn't working out sowell, right?
I got the call in, I got tofigure it out for all of you.
Goddamn humanity.
So I better ask some fundamentfundamental questions about what
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does.
What is humanity and what isfulfillment and what is the source
and all that, you know.
So for six years I journeyedthrough the world of philosophy and
Western process and science.
And I just kept askingquestion, okay, I need to figure
this out.
So I got to build a machine.
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I got 42 years, but I got tounderstand deeply what truly makes
us who we are, what the sourceof everything is that makes us who
we are, right?
And that was a six yearjourney listening to, you know, Eastern
philosophies and Western science.
I even started a school at myown house, like a Little Academy
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with 85 people from around the world.
For three years, some of themhad spent their whole life in monasteries
in India.
And they just gathered.
I don't know how the hell theycame together, but they kept showing
up year by year by year.
Not all 85.
For three years, it wascohorts every year, 25, 30 people.
Right.
And they were willing to goafter the source, you know, and then
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after six years, we found the source.
You know, we started celebrating.
It was fucking crazy talkabout that.
Because, you know, everybody,it shies away from talking deeply
about spirituality.
And they say, well, God, theuniverse, they give it all kinds
of names.
When people do that, I askthem just quickly, what do you call
it in your private moments?
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And I invite them to talk inthat language.
So in that journey ofdiscovering who we are, what we're
about, and all that sort ofstuff, what did you discover?
And it doesn't have to beperfect, doesn't have to be.
Right.
It's what you guys landed on.
So what is source and who are we?
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There you go.
Right.
So, you know, so when westarted, part of the source question
was the source of success.
Because I grew up in thesuccess machine.
Right.
Of course.
What's success?
Right.
And performance.
Oh, high performance.
Yeah.
What's, you know, and.
But spirituality, they godeeper than that.
They go deeper to the source,you know, who we really are and why
we're here and what makes adifference and what really ignites
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human spirit more thananything else in the universe.
And then we discovered that.
So I want you to answer those questions.
It's fun to postulate those.
And this is the gospelaccording to Patrick.
And that's fine, but I want tohear it.
That's it.
So we found, you know, nothingsurprising for a lot of people say,
why did you go six years tofind that simple truth?
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But the simple truth we foundis that the source of all things
is kindness.
Okay, so let that sink in, everybody.
The source, according toPatrick and his people that has provided
him the impetus for this 42year journey is kindness.
I love that.
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Keep going.
Yes.
And that we only exist throughthe eyes of others.
So the biggest gift we cangive another human being is to see
them truly in their fullestpotential and their fullest beauty
and to share that with themwhen we're with them.
Not to talk about the weatheror the Dodgers or the war in Ukraine,
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but to acknowledge them, tohonor them, to be present with them
and to share the beauty thatthey shine with, regardless of who
they are, what they've just done.
This could happen in a prison,this could happen in the military.
This could happen in a sports team.
This could happen home withyour child.
It could happen at church.
But to be truly present and tobe truly giving them the gift of
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kindness is the source thatwhen it's touched, the spirits release
joy and energy for us.
When we celebrate touching thespirit that connects us.
So that.
That was kind of realizationthat that that would make a difference.
And then a friend of mine, we're.
Celebrating before the friend.
I want to hold before the friend.
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So we're going to do thatright now because right this minute,
I want to acknowledge Patrick Crowden.
I want to see you as thejourneyer through five or maybe more
dark nights of the soul whodidn't quit, who wouldn't quit, who
felt and decided to be true tothe calling of his being, who has
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identified not only kindnessas the energy, the engine, but has
identified, correctly, theawesome power of seeing each other
without agenda, withoutjudgment, and of choosing to see
and acknowledge that divinespark, that holiness, that capability
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underneath, whatever else is happening.
And so I see you.
I honor that.
I love that.
And all that we talk aboutafter this moment is in that context
of your unending passion tocreate, seen, heard, and cared about
for people with yourprodigious talent and gear, software,
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whatever you develop as a tool.
But the driver is thatkindness and the acknowledgment of
a truth, that to truly seeanother person is such a, perhaps
the most important gift and offering.
And so I offer that here, nowto you.
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Thank you.
Deeply.
I can feel the energy of yourtruth, and you're seeing me and honoring
me in return.
You know, every time I hearyour voice, the resonance of that,
the vibration of that, thedepth of that, it just rips the wisdom
that you've accrued throughyour life, through 18 years of joy.
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For sure, everything beforethat is part of the spectrum.
But I love how you give andshine the light onto those that are
your guests, and by doing so,honor them deeply with the reflection
of their beauty in return.
And I've never seen someone doit in such a beautiful and eloquent
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manner as you do.
So thank you.
Oh, how fuzzy.
Thank you.
Let's go back, comma.
You were telling me about your friend.
Yeah.
So we found a source.
We thought it was kind of cool.
It's a lot of effort.
My wife still hates me forthe, you know, three years of people
living in our house on the weekends.
You know, she doesn't hate you.
She treasures every thing ofwho you are because through that,
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you have seen her and broughther the opportunity to have that
experience.
So, anyway, keep going.
Got me blushing now.
I got me blushing.
I know that's true.
We love them so much.
She.
She changed my life.
She Saved me.
So I appreciate that a whole lot.
I hope that Tang and Joy canmeet someday.
And so we're celebrating.
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And my one friend that wasthere from the beginning, one of
the first friends, I mean, acoincidence is the first 42 years
of my life.
I never had a friend, youknow, And I finally made friends
because I. I made peace with myself.
And he's one of my firstbuddies, and he's celebrating with
us.
And his name is Erfried, whichis a very German name.
It means he who brings peace,which is a beautiful name.
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And we're jumping around.
Every says, patrick, Patrick.
I go, every what?
Yeah, we.
We found the source.
I said, yeah, bro.
That's why we're celebrating.
Celebrate, bro.
He goes, but Patrick.
But I said, what?
You button me, man.
We celebrate.
And it took six years.
We got the source.
He says, but Patrick, how dowe turn it on?
I said, oh, that's anotherthree years to figure that out.
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So, yeah, it wasn't about justfinding the source.
The question was, because alot of people know the source.
A lot of people preach it.
A lot of gurus guru it.
A lot of people talk about it,A lot of people write books about
it.
But if you ask them, okay, Igot this thing on trust.
You're the professor, youwrote the book on trust.
So what's the trust process?
Three steps in 30 seconds.
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How do you do actually turntrust on instantly?
And the answer is they allwill say it takes a long time and
there's a lot of steps.
It just.
It'll happen.
And that's just not goodenough, bro.
Right.
If we want to turn on beingseen and heard, it's got to be a
process that we can turn on.
So we, we went to luck, andguess what?
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We found the on switch.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
I love this sequential stuff.
So kindness.
And you related it to trust,and you're looking for the on switch,
and you've given some parameters.
It has to be simple.
It has to be doable.
Even if it's hard.
Maybe people not willing to doit because it might require casting
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aside old beliefs or ideas andall kinds of other things.
But there is a way.
And so you're going to tell uswhat that is?
Yes, yes, there is a way.
And.
And we had to find a vehiclethat is accessible to everyone in
the world.
Right.
Meditation isn't accessible toeverybody in the world.
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Or yoga or silent retreats ina monastery for 17 days.
Okay.
And I grew up in corporateworld, and the corporations own the
planet.
They're Driving the future.
They're, they're killing us.
So whatever we find has to beso small, so simple, we can insert
it into the daily routine ofevery person and every company around
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the world.
So we gotta, we gotta, wegotta make it small.
And so we said, you know what?
We're going to discoverconversational protocols that activate
the human spirit at scale instantly.
And if we can do that,establish connection, instant connection.
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Connection leads to trust, andtrust leads to the ability collectively
to do anything together thatwe can imagine.
That's absolutely true.
Let's underline that loudlyand truly right now.
Because, you know, Einsteinsaid, you can't solve a problem at
the same level of thinkingthat created it.
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And all the problems that wehave in the world come somewhere
from either lack ofunderstanding or lack of trust.
And so if you sayconversational protocols might sound
daunting because it has somebig words in it, but I bet it's just
some simple practices abouthow we communicate, maybe how we
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prepare to communicate what webelieve and think.
I don't know.
But some, some simplepractices that will allow you to
establish first connection,which leads to trust, which leads
to everything.
Amen.
You know, and, and, and we diddiscover a really simple protocol.
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I think the shortest one we'vegot is maybe 10 words long in a process
that takes 100 seconds.
And we worked with 30different institutions around the
world.
You know, we learned from theguys in my house, and then we went
out and validated and verifiedand talked to the smartest people
in the world.
You know, and we've gotprofessors, they wrote book, a book
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about it.
They call it Beyond Leadership.
Right?
They wrote a book about it.
And they, they said, you'vediscovered these protocols and they
work 100 of the time.
They never fail becausethey're conversational based.
They work in any language, anyculture, at any age.
When you've learned to talk,which is about three years old, Right.
And I was just recently at aschool where the, where the people
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were asking, hey, Patrick, canwe, can we use this in the classes
for the kids?
And the answer is yes, you could.
And we would learn that.
Please do, please do.
Right, right.
Because it's the, the, youknow, the, the three little steps
I'm gonna tell you and you'regonna go, you're gonna know it because
you live it and you breathe it.
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I know you do.
And I'll tell you the threelittle steps that we built into this
tiny piece of tech.
We call it relational intelligence.
It's really kind of dumb thatthese Three simple steps are so powerful,
but we've forgotten thesethree steps.
So when we meet and engage,the three things we do first is we
breathe.
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And I don't mean meditate.
I mean we just breathe.
Just two breaths.
Take a breath.
And then we share appreciation.
And then we share gratitude.
And we go both ways.
If there's two of us.
If there's three of us, we gothree ways.
If there's five of us, we gofive ways.
We breathe together, each ofus share appreciation.
And we'd be grateful.
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And if we can.
Tell me the difference, I wantyou to tell me the if in a minute
someone's going to feel likeappreciation and gratitude are not
exactly the same, but pretty close.
So give me an example ofappreciation versus gratitude.
So the distinction, becausebreathing is easy.
Got it.
Breathe together.
Then what is sharingappreciation look like?
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Well, let's back up a step andI'll tell you the difference between
a thank you being grateful and appreciation.
Because those are like thethree layers.
Okay?
So, honey, thank you for doingthe dishes today.
That's.
That's being thankful tosomeone for doing something.
Honey, I'm grateful for whatyou bring to the family every day.
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I'm grateful.
And honey, I appreciate yourdeep love, admiration, and support
that you give every moment ofyour life deeply.
I appreciate that.
So those are the three layers.
Appreciation is when you shinethe light back.
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You don't just acknowledgethank you or I'm grateful for you.
I'm going to appreciate youback and I'm going to embellish that
appreciation with the beauty Itruly see.
And that's when you are truly seen.
So that's the steps.
Thank you is the smaller one.
Gratitude is that you areexperiencing gratitude for something
they did.
And the appreciation is alarger, more comprehensive acknowledgement
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of something that they are.
Well said.
Yes.
Good, Good.
Well, I just want that to beclear because I think people don't
know that, and they might notunless you help them.
So thank you for teaching.
Yes, thank you.
And here's the cool part, right?
So we went into a factory twoyears ago with that little protocol.
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And these factory workers,they don't know the difference between
thankfulness and gratitude and appreciation.
Most of them ain't ever had aday of appreciation in their lives
up in the north of England,working in a factory that takes dirt
and turns it into tile.
Minimum wage.
They got no teeth, they got no education.
You try to tell them that theydon't know what.
What this is, but the onething they all understand is respect.
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And when we stand together andtake the time to listen to each other
deeply and appreciate inwhatever manner we can, what we just
heard, and then be thankful atthe end that we took the time before
we went out into the factory,then we can learn how to do that.
If we did it at the front ofevery shift, in the back of every
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shift, we'd start to learn.
Why?
Because it's a natural human trait.
We're a social being.
We were born genetically formillions of years to know how to
connect.
And connect means to payattention peacefully, to give goodness
to that other person as a gift.
Because we are going to connect.
We're going to do something together.
And that deep, deep seatedcapability is triggered through that
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first moment of breath.
We activate that part of oursystem, the limbic system, to not
go into fight or flight.
Through that breath, it relaxes.
And in that relaxation,connection can ensue.
And a connection comes through kindness.
An act of kindness is to betogether, to listen respectfully
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to each other, to sharegoodness with the others, and to
be grateful.
So those five acts of kindnessare hidden in that short protocol.
And after the third or fourthtime of doing that, you can be the
meanest, cruelest, stupidestperson that you've ever met.
Yourself is going to softenyou down after the third or fourth
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time with one or two otherswhen you start receiving that kindness.
Because cruelty will crumblein the face.
Of compassion 100% of the time.
You can't love and hate at thesame time.
Cruelty will crumble in theface of compassion.
And I like that.
That's alliterative.
Cruelty crumbles in the faceof compassion.
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So save it, own it, write iton your forehead.
And if somebody else doesn'tdo it, you get to start.
I don't mean you, Patrick, Imean you listeners, because it's
in your hands.
So this is wonderful, bothteaching and exploration.
So tell us about what you.
So you went into the factoryor any place and you taught them
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to do this.
And so just do people gatherin groups of two or three or four
at the beginning of the shiftand have these expressions or what
did you have them do?
Yeah, so we, we built a pieceof tech to help them with that because
it's really hard to train.
You know, it's really hard tothink yourself into a new way of
behaving, but it's really easyto behave yourself into a new way
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of thinking.
Ooh, I love that.
So you built something thatgave the prompts or the direction
so they didn't have to thinkabout it, because when we think all
the old patterns and thingsthat are just habitual, you know,
they fly up and take control.
So tell us about this tech andtell us about the prompts to help
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people create, you know,thankfulness, gratitude and appreciation
and the breathing.
Yes, sir.
So in the factory, they got,you know, they wear helmets and they
got these yellow vests likeyou see at the airports and in construction
sites.
And the supervisors on theiryellow vest, they've got a QR code
at the top of their yellowvest, right?
And then when the guys come infor early shift at 4am, they take
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their phones out, they scanthat QR code, right?
And it lights up theinstructions for what they're going
to do.
Now, on, on Kellen's phone itsays find Patrick.
On Patrick phone, it says find Kellen.
And we walk over to each otherand then it pops up the next step
with a chime and it tells uswhat to do.
Actually, I don't know if youwant to do this during your, during
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the podcast here, but if youtook your phone out and scanned this
QR code, you and me could dowhat the workers in the factory do.
And then you'd go, holy Joe.
They just did those three steps.
They breathed together, theyshared appreciation together, and
they were grateful together.
And we both are going to feela whole lot better after 100 seconds
of that.
And because it's only 100seconds, you can afford to stick
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it the front and back of everyshift because it reduces accidents
by 57%, absenteeism by 82% andincreases productivity and product
quality by 37% for just 100seconds of kindness at the front
and back of your shifts, youdumb shits.
So what is that?
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I believe you and I don'tdoubt that we do it.
And I don't.
I'd love to do it, but I don't.
I don't think I want to.
I don't think I want to justbecause I don't want to worry about
the logistics because myphone's running a timer and stuff.
But what I want to do is thosestatistics are staggering.
Like 50% increase in this 80%.
It's like, ah, of course we'lldo it.
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Anything.
So.
And I'm, I know you've got themeasurables to do that to, to show
that and to do it.
What happened?
I mean, in the factory younotice those things and so they have
that kind of stuff installedin all their factories, or is it
in pilot?
Like how fast is this spreading?
And that's very simple.
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Scan a QR code, go do somestuff for two minutes and have a
great day.
And then have a great day.
It doesn't become a platitude anymore.
It becomes a truth of creation.
I like how you said that.
Yes, it becomes a truth of creation.
So yeah, so that, that, thatcustomer piloted with us to help
build that tech.
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Because it's easy to buildtech that's on video.
Yeah.
But to build, build tech thatcan do that in a factory where they
work, take dirt and makebrick, that's a lot harder to do.
Yeah.
And we did, and it did workreally well.
But that or that company,their revenue crashed by 39% year
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on year, so they effectivelyno longer exist as a company.
Had nothing to do with our pilot.
Those factories that wereusing it were in a good shape and
in a good place.
But we didn't continue afterthe pilot for those reasons.
But we took the learnings onour next customers.
One of them is called H.P.
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hewlett Packard.
Another one is a Japanesecompany in Japan right now.
And, and they're using it.
The reason they love it isbecause, you know, having the tech
and the process that caninsert into your business is one.
But it has to insert.
So how do you insert that?
You know, so we have a pieceof software that goes into your calendars,
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takes all the zoom codes outand all the Microsoft Team comes
out and it transforms everymeeting from an old cold mechanical
meeting into a new warm andhuman meeting at a touch of a button.
So that's what we've beenbuilding and developing over the
last 18 months.
And now we've started to bringit to the world and I'm a busy guy
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now.
I've got schools asking aboutcan we do this with kids?
I've got musicians in LAsaying can I take this to the studio?
I've got the heads of footballin Africa asking can we start doing
this with football players inour professional teams?
And then I've got a two stargeneral asking what does this do
when we start using it with soldiers?
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And I've got, and all it takesis a phone.
It takes that each person hasa phone, it takes a QR code that
the leader that they have toscan and then a willingness to follow
the instructions for twominutes exactly.
That's it.
And I love the fact I didn'tknow that.
Now I've had the opportunityto have a meeting with someone that
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was, that was using earlierversion of your software several
months ago.
And maybe that's the Currentone, I don't know.
And to experience some of thedirection about how to talk to, how
to interact with that, thepeople on the call.
And it was interesting and itwas fun.
So I have had a personalexperience with it.
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So you're deploying this andpeople are buying it, accepting it,
using it.
And as you said, you're a busyguy now.
What's the rest of the yearlook like for you?
Patrick?
Thank you.
I want to spend as much timeas I can with my little kid.
I've got grown up kids thatare at the house.
So I got a nine year old, hismom is from Vietnam and he does look
(36:37):
like Bruce Lee, this little guy.
So hey, I want to spend asmuch time with him as I can.
And then secondly, yeah, justgo out and put this in the world
for the next 24 years.
I've got 24 years left in the plan.
We're by far not done.
We're right at the front ofthis now because we do have to bring
it to the schools, themusicians, the sports clubs, the
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companies, you know, sothat's, that's where I'm gonna spend
my time.
Wherever the customers call,we go demonstrate, we show them how
to insert it into their business.
We do have to find thecourageous few that still care about
people and that are willing toallocate that time.
Those two minutes in every meeting.
We've got some flows that takelonger, you know, 12 minutes to really
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connect.
You know, you can't doeverything in the fast lane.
You got to do some things inthe, in the short, you know, not
so fast lane and.
Yeah, and help, help thesepeople stand it up.
It's a new model, right.
So it's really atransformational change to how they
operate and that's a big stepand we want to help them every step
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of the way.
And once you've got the first10, 15, 20 companies in the world
that are using it, it's goingto go really, really fast.
Well, if you've got a big onelike hp, even if they're not fully
rolled out a pilot, you'regoing to have some, some big guns
behind it.
And then there's going to besome me toos wanting to jump on if
they see some, and they willsee some stuff.
(38:06):
So tell everybody here rightnow where to find it, how to find
more.
Patrick, headache.
Because we've talked about itand I want you to tell as much as
you want to about inviting orabout where to go, how to follow
you personally or about thispiece of simple technology that you
have that invites us to return.
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It's funny technology toinvite us to return to our humanity.
But anyway, so go ahead andtell us.
Yeah, it's kind of funnybecause the answers to our future
lie in our distance past andare accessible now in the present.
Right?
So that's the story.
Warmspace IO as you get a feelfor what warm space is all about,
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you find me on LinkedIn, youknow, Patrick Cowden on LinkedIn,
and you'll have that information.
Patrick Cowden.
I thought C O W D E N Isomehow I had an R in there.
Cowden.
I'm sorry?
Patrick Cowden.
You rolled it so nice.
It sounded a lot better thanCowden for me, so I didn't say nothing.
It was fine.
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I thought it has CRO.
Croton.
Cowden.
I am sorry.
With a name like KellenFlukegar, you pay attention to that
stuff.
Patrick Cowden.
Anyway, Patrick Cowden onLinkedIn, Warmspace IO, what else?
And that's a starting point.
If you're interested,especially if you're.
Our focus is on companies andcorporations especially.
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And if you're interested,we've got a click and click and go
demonstration we can do for folks.
And once they see it the firsttime, once they experience it the
first time, they'll want touse it.
And most of the companies, wedo what's called proof of concept.
We kind of show you at scalehow that works in your company and.
And then you're going to beoff to the races because those that
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get it, they go, damn it.
I always knew something likethis had to exist, but no one ever
came and said so.
And now I've got it.
I know I can do both for success.
I can take care of mybusiness, but most important, I can
take care of my people.
I love it.
And the possible impact or the.
The undoubted impact thatyou're going to have is enormous.
(40:13):
And I knew there was a reasonI loved you.
You know, My goal is to reach300 million people with this message
here of purpose, prosperityand joy.
And you have a staggeringpurpose that is so aligned with the
energy and heart of who I amand what I'm doing.
I love it and I want to.
Yeah, I'm excited about it.
So let me ask you a finalquestion here, and that is this.
(40:37):
Whether it's about warmspaceIO or the peripheral or learnings
that brought you back tocreating this, to let us be in touch
with our humanity, what wouldyou like to say to encourage or to
teach people listening Rightnow about their own divinity, capability,
(40:58):
possibility, the truth of whatwe can create.
Yes.
Thank you.
Yeah.
First and foremost, alwaysbelieve in you.
Right.
And I've got a friend,Braxton, he does these bracelets.
They're called I believe in you.
Right.
And they've got an NFC on it.
(41:19):
And you can give the braceletsaway and then watch where they go
in the world.
So give a little kindnessthrough that bracelet.
And it starts with this mostfundamental of elements, to look
someone in the eye and say,kellen, I truly, deeply believe in
you and what you stand for.
And if everyone watching andlistening to any of your shows, there's
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one message they can take withthem is belief is the foundation.
When we can believe in eachother, believe in ourselves, there's
nothing we can't achieve.
And if a practice of respect,appreciation, and gratitude can help
strengthen that confidencethat I have a shot at the best life
(42:03):
ever, then that's where it starts.
And practice that every day.
Believe in you.
I do believe in you.
Hell, yeah.
You know, that's just wonderful.
And I want to say to you guyslistening, Patrick loves you.
I love you.
And the both of us give youthat assurance of that possibility
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from absolute certainty, notonly from experiencing it in our
own lives, but as Patrickindicated, from walking through the
fire multiple times with arefusal to give up and a firm commitment
to go forward, to not give up,to believe, and to not end, you know,
(42:49):
down, but to stand up, tohope, to see and to believe.
Patrick, thanks for being heretoday with me.
Thank you, Kelly.
It was a pleasure and anhonor, and I admire you deeply.
I appreciate you.
Thank you.
Well, you're welcome.
And I'm grateful to have suchpowerful voices, my friends.
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You hear all kinds of coolstuff, and today's been especially
good.
And it won't mean anythingunless you listen, unless you let
it land, unless you hear thenudge and feel it and decide to do
something, even a littlesomething with it.
Because if you do, the futureis open, it is bright, and there
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here, right now.
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Hello, and welcome to yourultimate life.
Not the show, your ultimate life.
The opportunity to create alife of purpose, prosperity, and
(00:45):
joy.
Because you said so, becauseyou want to, because you have your
thumb on the throttle.
And I'm welcoming today aspecial guest, Patrick Crowden from
Berlin, Germany.
Patrick, welcome to the show.
Thank you, Kellen.
I'm glad to be here.
It's a pleasure.
So I'm excited.
And I don't do an intro toguests just because it all comes
(01:05):
out in the interview.
So what I'd like you to do is,without any semblance of modesty
at all, I'd like you toexamine your life right now and tell
the listeners, what doesPatrick do on purpose to add good
to the world?
Yeah, that's a wonderfulquestion to get started on.
(01:29):
You know, they call me anarchitect, Like a human interaction
architect.
Oh, I love that human hia.
You should acronym and izethat and use it.
Hia.
Human interaction architect.
Go for it.
Haya.
Haya.
I'm a higher right, so, youknow, I'm a German American, Japanese
(01:52):
engineer.
And so I've been tasked builda machine where every human being
in the world can truly feelseen, heard, and valued every moment
of their existence.
So I'm going to.
I'm building that, I wouldguess, so that we can all feel touched,
(02:13):
uplifted, and transcend ourcurrent state into a place of joy.
Truly, I did, you know, as yousay, those words, they, like, have
a visceral impact on me.
Every human being seen, heard, valued.
You know, you see pictures,floods that took place in Texas a
few weeks ago and wars thatare going on in different places,
(02:38):
and we've got a Ukrainianrefugee family that has been living
with us for three years now,since June of 22, my mother and daughter.
And you look at the conflictsand the death and the destruction,
and then you juxtapose thatwith every human being seen, heard,
and valued.
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The scope of that statement is just.
It rattles loud enough toshake the black hole at the middle
of the milky Way.
You know, I.
You know, I. I mean, that'show I experience that right now.
Like, what started this ideafor you?
Because that's a colossalundertaking and I am absolutely all
(03:22):
in.
Amen.
I appreciate that.
You know, so 18 years ago whenI had that moment, that juxtaposition
of the universe where theblack hole trembled and sent me a
note, right?
And.
But I did build a 42 year planbecause I said, damn, that's a big
deal.
That's going to take a while.
(03:43):
The 42 years, was that inconnection with Isaac Asimov's that
the answer to everything is42, or that was just something else?
Just part of it.
I happened to be 42 years atthe time and I had been serving the
God of profit, destroying thegoddamn planet, making sure no one
was seen, heard or valuedevery single day of their fucking
life.
(04:04):
And I said, wait a minute,we're squeezing the lemon.
We're squeezing humanity out.
I'm part of the machine that'sjust done that.
And I realized, oh shit,everyone in the world is going to
copy high tech and we're goingto squeeze humanity out of humanity.
And I felt something needs to change.
And being German Germanic, Isat down with a couple friends and
we did a 42 year plan ofeverything that needs to happen for
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that to even becomeimaginable, much less possible.
And we're 18 years in andwe're good news for the planet we're
on plan, it's going to work.
You've been saved.
You just don't realize it yet.
I love that.
So what I'd like to do isstart there.
Because my own personaljourney started in 2007 with a divine
(04:51):
intervention in August thismonth, 18 years ago right now.
But this show isn't about me.
So nobody falls up that mountain.
So tell me what was going on18 years ago that, that began this,
this cosmic earthquake.
Well, we're both fortunatethat about the same time these things
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hit us.
Yours has a name, her name is Joy.
Mine has a name, her name is Tang.
All right, so tell me about this.
You know, we were in troubleback then.
We were, we were following aroute to self destruction one way
or another.
And that route, we were on abig chunk of humanity and the world
(05:39):
was on that path, especiallyin big corporations and big companies.
And you know, I was fortunate.
I grew up in the military.
My dad in the military drillSergeant Command.
Sergeant Major.
He turns 80 now.
I still call him Sergeant Major.
Right.
Wow.
And that's it.
That, that had an influence onmy life.
And, and after that, 42 yearsof high tech, I just looked at the
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numbers.
Damn.
I've been doing this for 42 years.
Wait a minute.
When I was 42, I did a 42 yearplan that gets me to 84.
So, so all these things startpopping together.
And probably the reason Iworked on three continents in 20
some different jobs at a dozenblue chip companies, working myself
(06:21):
up from an aircraft refuelingoperator to run in the biggest markets
outside the United States forDell Computer or for Hitachi outside
of Japan.
And, and kicking it, you know,kicking it and killing it and figuring
it out and doing things, butit just was never enough.
It just wasn't.
It just doesn't give you what,what you were looking for truly in
(06:42):
life.
Right.
You know, I did try to takecare of people.
I felt, I felt the people partcalling at me the whole time.
But the companies and thecorporations and Milton Friedman
were telling me people don'tmatter, only profit.
Shut the up.
You're not paid to, you know,to think about, execute, right?
And I was thinking,something's wrong about this machine
because I'm losing it.
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I'm, I'm, you know, gettingdivorced multiple times.
I'm losing everything that'svaluable to me.
I'm, I'm seeing people die atwork from overwork, you know, and,
and we're killing them.
Something's not right.
And I think I'm glad thecalling came.
I'm glad we got started andI'm glad we built a, we built this
thing, we call it warm space.
We built something that makesa difference, right?
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And it, and it works and it'schanging things and it's giving us
the opportunity to breathe, toslow down, to breathe, to be present,
to be there in every singlemeeting, every single day, everywhere
in the world, you know, sothat's the deal.
It is a massive deal.
What was the core of the epiphany?
(07:45):
Like, what happened to, asmuch as you want to describe, I mean,
you know, level of disclosureis up to you.
But what happened?
Was it event, was it a seriesof events?
Was it gradual but steep?
Was it sudden, like fallingoff a cliff, like what caused.
And you said you were peopleto a degree, people oriented before,
and that's fine, but somethingchanged significantly because before
(08:08):
you were grinding andproducing and creating and you said,
I'm done with this treadmill,I'm going to go do something else.
Not with less passion, infact, with more, because now it's
purpose driven.
So tell me as much as you'dlike to, about what happened and
the reason I want you to isbecause my experience is every single
(08:31):
person, every one of youlistening right now.
You Feel the spiritual nudges.
You ignore them.
You pretend you can't do them.
You pretend it's not your season.
You stack up reasons not to.
And, you know, we've all donethat until you stop.
And I want to know what madeyou stop.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you, Kellen.
Yeah.
It's one of those momentswhere, you know, the moments in your
life, you know, change things.
I had a lot of those because Ihad a rough and crazy life.
And a lot of the listeners outthere, you know, you've had rough
and crazy lives, you know, Right.
I. I woke up naked in a gutterwith a needle in my arm when I was
(09:15):
a young person.
And I had to make a choice, amI going to get up and live or not?
You know, so that's a lifechanging event for sure.
Right.
And for about 20 years, 25years after that, after, you know,
(09:35):
failing miserably over andover and over again, you know, Right.
When it gets really good, Ihad this tendency to self destruct,
and that came from trauma thatI had as a little kid, Sergeant command,
sergeant Major, you know,whooping on his son.
Right.
So that trauma had a lot ofinfluence on a big part of my life.
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And things kept falling apart,but I would always get up and figure
it out and go back, serve thebeast, you know, be more successful,
break it, fail miserably, falldown, get back up, do it again.
And the fifth time thathappened in my life, you know, and
I'm 42 years old at the time,it took me down like never before.
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And I was down and my wife anddaughter were gone.
Lost my family again, myhouse, my job, all by myself.
And it got real dark.
I gotta tell you, I got to apoint where the first time in my
life, even though I'd beenthrough the toughest things ever,
I lost myself for the first time.
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And in that moment ofdarkness, I awoke.
I awoke.
The light came in, the callingcame, the voice came.
It says it's on you now to gofigure it out.
Away where no one ever feelsthis way again in the world.
(11:02):
And I stood up, I said, oh, Igot to go figure it out.
I said, oh, the God didn'ttell me what the am I supposed to
figure out?
And God, God don't call yousecond time, right?
So I stood up and.
And I knew.
And then I started.
And I haven't.
I haven't stopped since.
I love.
I. I just go figure it out.
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So nobody feels like this.
It wasn't.
Go, go figure this out.
So you quit Doing this,Patrick, it was, go figure it out
so others don't feel like that.
One of the things I noticeover and over again from people is
that when they have thesemoments, whether they're in the gutter
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or, you know, whatever,anybody's moment or moments of epiphany
is when they start to respond,there always arises with that growth,
the yearning to help others.
I've asked this question amillion times to people, so you fixed,
you cool.
Why didn't you stop there?
Like, why did you suddenlyfeel like you go ahead to, you're
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okay now, you got it handled.
Why?
And the answer is universal.
It's a calling.
It's a universal thing becausewe are who we are.
We came from the same God, divinity.
We are that.
And we're built literallyphysically, neurotransmitters and
all to love and serve.
And I'm sure there's aspiritual analog to that in the spirit
being, to neurotransmitters.
We just don't have the names.
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So that's interesting that thedirection was.
So nobody feels like that.
What did you start with?
I mean, obviously when you hitthat kind of low, there's some personal
work that has to be done,depending on what it is.
Sobriety, financial things, whatever.
What.
What were your first steps inthe first year or two to start this
new direction?
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I started with questions like,wow, you know, so what is the source
of all things?
You know, what it.
What is the true source of success?
I had definitely been on thewrong path.
That wasn't working out sowell, right?
I got the call in, I got tofigure it out for all of you.
Goddamn humanity.
So I better ask some fundamentfundamental questions about what
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does.
What is humanity and what isfulfillment and what is the source
and all that, you know.
So for six years I journeyedthrough the world of philosophy and
Western process and science.
And I just kept askingquestion, okay, I need to figure
this out.
So I got to build a machine.
(13:34):
I got 42 years, but I got tounderstand deeply what truly makes
us who we are, what the sourceof everything is that makes us who
we are, right?
And that was a six yearjourney listening to, you know, Eastern
philosophies and Western science.
I even started a school at myown house, like a Little Academy
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with 85 people from around the world.
For three years, some of themhad spent their whole life in monasteries
in India.
And they just gathered.
I don't know how the hell theycame together, but they kept showing
up year by year by year.
Not all 85.
For three years, it wascohorts every year, 25, 30 people.
Right.
And they were willing to goafter the source, you know, and then
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after six years, we found the source.
You know, we started celebrating.
It was fucking crazy talkabout that.
Because, you know, everybody,it shies away from talking deeply
about spirituality.
And they say, well, God, theuniverse, they give it all kinds
of names.
When people do that, I askthem just quickly, what do you call
it in your private moments?
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And I invite them to talk inthat language.
So in that journey ofdiscovering who we are, what we're
about, and all that sort ofstuff, what did you discover?
And it doesn't have to beperfect, doesn't have to be.
Right.
It's what you guys landed on.
So what is source and who are we?
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There you go.
Right.
So, you know, so when westarted, part of the source question
was the source of success.
Because I grew up in thesuccess machine.
Right.
Of course.
What's success?
Right.
And performance.
Oh, high performance.
Yeah.
What's, you know, and.
But spirituality, they godeeper than that.
They go deeper to the source,you know, who we really are and why
we're here and what makes adifference and what really ignites
(15:26):
human spirit more thananything else in the universe.
And then we discovered that.
So I want you to answer those questions.
It's fun to postulate those.
And this is the gospelaccording to Patrick.
And that's fine, but I want tohear it.
That's it.
So we found, you know, nothingsurprising for a lot of people say,
why did you go six years tofind that simple truth?
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But the simple truth we foundis that the source of all things
is kindness.
Okay, so let that sink in, everybody.
The source, according toPatrick and his people that has provided
him the impetus for this 42year journey is kindness.
I love that.
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Keep going.
Yes.
And that we only exist throughthe eyes of others.
So the biggest gift we cangive another human being is to see
them truly in their fullestpotential and their fullest beauty
and to share that with themwhen we're with them.
Not to talk about the weatheror the Dodgers or the war in Ukraine,
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but to acknowledge them, tohonor them, to be present with them
and to share the beauty thatthey shine with, regardless of who
they are, what they've just done.
This could happen in a prison,this could happen in the military.
This could happen in a sports team.
This could happen home withyour child.
It could happen at church.
But to be truly present and tobe truly giving them the gift of
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kindness is the source thatwhen it's touched, the spirits release
joy and energy for us.
When we celebrate touching thespirit that connects us.
So that.
That was kind of realizationthat that that would make a difference.
And then a friend of mine, we're.
Celebrating before the friend.
I want to hold before the friend.
(17:15):
So we're going to do thatright now because right this minute,
I want to acknowledge Patrick Crowden.
I want to see you as thejourneyer through five or maybe more
dark nights of the soul whodidn't quit, who wouldn't quit, who
felt and decided to be true tothe calling of his being, who has
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identified not only kindnessas the energy, the engine, but has
identified, correctly, theawesome power of seeing each other
without agenda, withoutjudgment, and of choosing to see
and acknowledge that divinespark, that holiness, that capability
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underneath, whatever else is happening.
And so I see you.
I honor that.
I love that.
And all that we talk aboutafter this moment is in that context
of your unending passion tocreate, seen, heard, and cared about
for people with yourprodigious talent and gear, software,
(18:24):
whatever you develop as a tool.
But the driver is thatkindness and the acknowledgment of
a truth, that to truly seeanother person is such a, perhaps
the most important gift and offering.
And so I offer that here, nowto you.
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Thank you.
Deeply.
I can feel the energy of yourtruth, and you're seeing me and honoring
me in return.
You know, every time I hearyour voice, the resonance of that,
the vibration of that, thedepth of that, it just rips the wisdom
that you've accrued throughyour life, through 18 years of joy.
(19:11):
For sure, everything beforethat is part of the spectrum.
But I love how you give andshine the light onto those that are
your guests, and by doing so,honor them deeply with the reflection
of their beauty in return.
And I've never seen someone doit in such a beautiful and eloquent
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manner as you do.
So thank you.
Oh, how fuzzy.
Thank you.
Let's go back, comma.
You were telling me about your friend.
Yeah.
So we found a source.
We thought it was kind of cool.
It's a lot of effort.
My wife still hates me forthe, you know, three years of people
living in our house on the weekends.
You know, she doesn't hate you.
She treasures every thing ofwho you are because through that,
(19:56):
you have seen her and broughther the opportunity to have that
experience.
So, anyway, keep going.
Got me blushing now.
I got me blushing.
I know that's true.
We love them so much.
She.
She changed my life.
She Saved me.
So I appreciate that a whole lot.
I hope that Tang and Joy canmeet someday.
And so we're celebrating.
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And my one friend that wasthere from the beginning, one of
the first friends, I mean, acoincidence is the first 42 years
of my life.
I never had a friend, youknow, And I finally made friends
because I. I made peace with myself.
And he's one of my firstbuddies, and he's celebrating with
us.
And his name is Erfried, whichis a very German name.
It means he who brings peace,which is a beautiful name.
(20:40):
And we're jumping around.
Every says, patrick, Patrick.
I go, every what?
Yeah, we.
We found the source.
I said, yeah, bro.
That's why we're celebrating.
Celebrate, bro.
He goes, but Patrick.
But I said, what?
You button me, man.
We celebrate.
And it took six years.
We got the source.
He says, but Patrick, how dowe turn it on?
I said, oh, that's anotherthree years to figure that out.
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So, yeah, it wasn't about justfinding the source.
The question was, because alot of people know the source.
A lot of people preach it.
A lot of gurus guru it.
A lot of people talk about it,A lot of people write books about
it.
But if you ask them, okay, Igot this thing on trust.
You're the professor, youwrote the book on trust.
So what's the trust process?
Three steps in 30 seconds.
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How do you do actually turntrust on instantly?
And the answer is they allwill say it takes a long time and
there's a lot of steps.
It just.
It'll happen.
And that's just not goodenough, bro.
Right.
If we want to turn on beingseen and heard, it's got to be a
process that we can turn on.
So we, we went to luck, andguess what?
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We found the on switch.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
I love this sequential stuff.
So kindness.
And you related it to trust,and you're looking for the on switch,
and you've given some parameters.
It has to be simple.
It has to be doable.
Even if it's hard.
Maybe people not willing to doit because it might require casting
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aside old beliefs or ideas andall kinds of other things.
But there is a way.
And so you're going to tell uswhat that is?
Yes, yes, there is a way.
And.
And we had to find a vehiclethat is accessible to everyone in
the world.
Right.
Meditation isn't accessible toeverybody in the world.
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Or yoga or silent retreats ina monastery for 17 days.
Okay.
And I grew up in corporateworld, and the corporations own the
planet.
They're Driving the future.
They're, they're killing us.
So whatever we find has to beso small, so simple, we can insert
it into the daily routine ofevery person and every company around
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the world.
So we gotta, we gotta, wegotta make it small.
And so we said, you know what?
We're going to discoverconversational protocols that activate
the human spirit at scale instantly.
And if we can do that,establish connection, instant connection.
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Connection leads to trust, andtrust leads to the ability collectively
to do anything together thatwe can imagine.
That's absolutely true.
Let's underline that loudlyand truly right now.
Because, you know, Einsteinsaid, you can't solve a problem at
the same level of thinkingthat created it.
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And all the problems that wehave in the world come somewhere
from either lack ofunderstanding or lack of trust.
And so if you sayconversational protocols might sound
daunting because it has somebig words in it, but I bet it's just
some simple practices abouthow we communicate, maybe how we
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prepare to communicate what webelieve and think.
I don't know.
But some, some simplepractices that will allow you to
establish first connection,which leads to trust, which leads
to everything.
Amen.
You know, and, and, and we diddiscover a really simple protocol.
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I think the shortest one we'vegot is maybe 10 words long in a process
that takes 100 seconds.
And we worked with 30different institutions around the
world.
You know, we learned from theguys in my house, and then we went
out and validated and verifiedand talked to the smartest people
in the world.
You know, and we've gotprofessors, they wrote book, a book
(24:38):
about it.
They call it Beyond Leadership.
Right?
They wrote a book about it.
And they, they said, you'vediscovered these protocols and they
work 100 of the time.
They never fail becausethey're conversational based.
They work in any language, anyculture, at any age.
When you've learned to talk,which is about three years old, Right.
And I was just recently at aschool where the, where the people
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were asking, hey, Patrick, canwe, can we use this in the classes
for the kids?
And the answer is yes, you could.
And we would learn that.
Please do, please do.
Right, right.
Because it's the, the, youknow, the, the three little steps
I'm gonna tell you and you'regonna go, you're gonna know it because
you live it and you breathe it.
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I know you do.
And I'll tell you the threelittle steps that we built into this
tiny piece of tech.
We call it relational intelligence.
It's really kind of dumb thatthese Three simple steps are so powerful,
but we've forgotten thesethree steps.
So when we meet and engage,the three things we do first is we
breathe.
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And I don't mean meditate.
I mean we just breathe.
Just two breaths.
Take a breath.
And then we share appreciation.
And then we share gratitude.
And we go both ways.
If there's two of us.
If there's three of us, we gothree ways.
If there's five of us, we gofive ways.
We breathe together, each ofus share appreciation.
And we'd be grateful.
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And if we can.
Tell me the difference, I wantyou to tell me the if in a minute
someone's going to feel likeappreciation and gratitude are not
exactly the same, but pretty close.
So give me an example ofappreciation versus gratitude.
So the distinction, becausebreathing is easy.
Got it.
Breathe together.
Then what is sharingappreciation look like?
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Well, let's back up a step andI'll tell you the difference between
a thank you being grateful and appreciation.
Because those are like thethree layers.
Okay?
So, honey, thank you for doingthe dishes today.
That's.
That's being thankful tosomeone for doing something.
Honey, I'm grateful for whatyou bring to the family every day.
(26:54):
I'm grateful.
And honey, I appreciate yourdeep love, admiration, and support
that you give every moment ofyour life deeply.
I appreciate that.
So those are the three layers.
Appreciation is when you shinethe light back.
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You don't just acknowledgethank you or I'm grateful for you.
I'm going to appreciate youback and I'm going to embellish that
appreciation with the beauty Itruly see.
And that's when you are truly seen.
So that's the steps.
Thank you is the smaller one.
Gratitude is that you areexperiencing gratitude for something
they did.
And the appreciation is alarger, more comprehensive acknowledgement
(27:41):
of something that they are.
Well said.
Yes.
Good, Good.
Well, I just want that to beclear because I think people don't
know that, and they might notunless you help them.
So thank you for teaching.
Yes, thank you.
And here's the cool part, right?
So we went into a factory twoyears ago with that little protocol.
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And these factory workers,they don't know the difference between
thankfulness and gratitude and appreciation.
Most of them ain't ever had aday of appreciation in their lives
up in the north of England,working in a factory that takes dirt
and turns it into tile.
Minimum wage.
They got no teeth, they got no education.
You try to tell them that theydon't know what.
What this is, but the onething they all understand is respect.
(28:27):
And when we stand together andtake the time to listen to each other
deeply and appreciate inwhatever manner we can, what we just
heard, and then be thankful atthe end that we took the time before
we went out into the factory,then we can learn how to do that.
If we did it at the front ofevery shift, in the back of every
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shift, we'd start to learn.
Why?
Because it's a natural human trait.
We're a social being.
We were born genetically formillions of years to know how to
connect.
And connect means to payattention peacefully, to give goodness
to that other person as a gift.
Because we are going to connect.
We're going to do something together.
And that deep, deep seatedcapability is triggered through that
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first moment of breath.
We activate that part of oursystem, the limbic system, to not
go into fight or flight.
Through that breath, it relaxes.
And in that relaxation,connection can ensue.
And a connection comes through kindness.
An act of kindness is to betogether, to listen respectfully
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to each other, to sharegoodness with the others, and to
be grateful.
So those five acts of kindnessare hidden in that short protocol.
And after the third or fourthtime of doing that, you can be the
meanest, cruelest, stupidestperson that you've ever met.
Yourself is going to softenyou down after the third or fourth
(29:54):
time with one or two otherswhen you start receiving that kindness.
Because cruelty will crumblein the face.
Of compassion 100% of the time.
You can't love and hate at thesame time.
Cruelty will crumble in theface of compassion.
And I like that.
That's alliterative.
Cruelty crumbles in the faceof compassion.
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So save it, own it, write iton your forehead.
And if somebody else doesn'tdo it, you get to start.
I don't mean you, Patrick, Imean you listeners, because it's
in your hands.
So this is wonderful, bothteaching and exploration.
So tell us about what you.
So you went into the factoryor any place and you taught them
(30:38):
to do this.
And so just do people gatherin groups of two or three or four
at the beginning of the shiftand have these expressions or what
did you have them do?
Yeah, so we, we built a pieceof tech to help them with that because
it's really hard to train.
You know, it's really hard tothink yourself into a new way of
behaving, but it's really easyto behave yourself into a new way
(31:01):
of thinking.
Ooh, I love that.
So you built something thatgave the prompts or the direction
so they didn't have to thinkabout it, because when we think all
the old patterns and thingsthat are just habitual, you know,
they fly up and take control.
So tell us about this tech andtell us about the prompts to help
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people create, you know,thankfulness, gratitude and appreciation
and the breathing.
Yes, sir.
So in the factory, they got,you know, they wear helmets and they
got these yellow vests likeyou see at the airports and in construction
sites.
And the supervisors on theiryellow vest, they've got a QR code
at the top of their yellowvest, right?
And then when the guys come infor early shift at 4am, they take
(31:42):
their phones out, they scanthat QR code, right?
And it lights up theinstructions for what they're going
to do.
Now, on, on Kellen's phone itsays find Patrick.
On Patrick phone, it says find Kellen.
And we walk over to each otherand then it pops up the next step
with a chime and it tells uswhat to do.
Actually, I don't know if youwant to do this during your, during
(32:03):
the podcast here, but if youtook your phone out and scanned this
QR code, you and me could dowhat the workers in the factory do.
And then you'd go, holy Joe.
They just did those three steps.
They breathed together, theyshared appreciation together, and
they were grateful together.
And we both are going to feela whole lot better after 100 seconds
of that.
And because it's only 100seconds, you can afford to stick
(32:25):
it the front and back of everyshift because it reduces accidents
by 57%, absenteeism by 82% andincreases productivity and product
quality by 37% for just 100seconds of kindness at the front
and back of your shifts, youdumb shits.
So what is that?
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I believe you and I don'tdoubt that we do it.
And I don't.
I'd love to do it, but I don't.
I don't think I want to.
I don't think I want to justbecause I don't want to worry about
the logistics because myphone's running a timer and stuff.
But what I want to do is thosestatistics are staggering.
Like 50% increase in this 80%.
It's like, ah, of course we'lldo it.
(33:06):
Anything.
So.
And I'm, I know you've got themeasurables to do that to, to show
that and to do it.
What happened?
I mean, in the factory younotice those things and so they have
that kind of stuff installedin all their factories, or is it
in pilot?
Like how fast is this spreading?
And that's very simple.
(33:27):
Scan a QR code, go do somestuff for two minutes and have a
great day.
And then have a great day.
It doesn't become a platitude anymore.
It becomes a truth of creation.
I like how you said that.
Yes, it becomes a truth of creation.
So yeah, so that, that, thatcustomer piloted with us to help
build that tech.
(33:47):
Because it's easy to buildtech that's on video.
Yeah.
But to build, build tech thatcan do that in a factory where they
work, take dirt and makebrick, that's a lot harder to do.
Yeah.
And we did, and it did workreally well.
But that or that company,their revenue crashed by 39% year
(34:08):
on year, so they effectivelyno longer exist as a company.
Had nothing to do with our pilot.
Those factories that wereusing it were in a good shape and
in a good place.
But we didn't continue afterthe pilot for those reasons.
But we took the learnings onour next customers.
One of them is called H.P.
(34:28):
hewlett Packard.
Another one is a Japanesecompany in Japan right now.
And, and they're using it.
The reason they love it isbecause, you know, having the tech
and the process that caninsert into your business is one.
But it has to insert.
So how do you insert that?
You know, so we have a pieceof software that goes into your calendars,
(34:50):
takes all the zoom codes outand all the Microsoft Team comes
out and it transforms everymeeting from an old cold mechanical
meeting into a new warm andhuman meeting at a touch of a button.
So that's what we've beenbuilding and developing over the
last 18 months.
And now we've started to bringit to the world and I'm a busy guy
(35:11):
now.
I've got schools asking aboutcan we do this with kids?
I've got musicians in LAsaying can I take this to the studio?
I've got the heads of footballin Africa asking can we start doing
this with football players inour professional teams?
And then I've got a two stargeneral asking what does this do
when we start using it with soldiers?
(35:32):
And I've got, and all it takesis a phone.
It takes that each person hasa phone, it takes a QR code that
the leader that they have toscan and then a willingness to follow
the instructions for twominutes exactly.
That's it.
And I love the fact I didn'tknow that.
Now I've had the opportunityto have a meeting with someone that
(35:53):
was, that was using earlierversion of your software several
months ago.
And maybe that's the Currentone, I don't know.
And to experience some of thedirection about how to talk to, how
to interact with that, thepeople on the call.
And it was interesting and itwas fun.
So I have had a personalexperience with it.
(36:15):
So you're deploying this andpeople are buying it, accepting it,
using it.
And as you said, you're a busyguy now.
What's the rest of the yearlook like for you?
Patrick?
Thank you.
I want to spend as much timeas I can with my little kid.
I've got grown up kids thatare at the house.
So I got a nine year old, hismom is from Vietnam and he does look
(36:37):
like Bruce Lee, this little guy.
So hey, I want to spend asmuch time with him as I can.
And then secondly, yeah, justgo out and put this in the world
for the next 24 years.
I've got 24 years left in the plan.
We're by far not done.
We're right at the front ofthis now because we do have to bring
it to the schools, themusicians, the sports clubs, the
(37:03):
companies, you know, sothat's, that's where I'm gonna spend
my time.
Wherever the customers call,we go demonstrate, we show them how
to insert it into their business.
We do have to find thecourageous few that still care about
people and that are willing toallocate that time.
Those two minutes in every meeting.
We've got some flows that takelonger, you know, 12 minutes to really
(37:24):
connect.
You know, you can't doeverything in the fast lane.
You got to do some things inthe, in the short, you know, not
so fast lane and.
Yeah, and help, help thesepeople stand it up.
It's a new model, right.
So it's really atransformational change to how they
operate and that's a big stepand we want to help them every step
(37:44):
of the way.
And once you've got the first10, 15, 20 companies in the world
that are using it, it's goingto go really, really fast.
Well, if you've got a big onelike hp, even if they're not fully
rolled out a pilot, you'regoing to have some, some big guns
behind it.
And then there's going to besome me toos wanting to jump on if
they see some, and they willsee some stuff.
(38:06):
So tell everybody here rightnow where to find it, how to find
more.
Patrick, headache.
Because we've talked about itand I want you to tell as much as
you want to about inviting orabout where to go, how to follow
you personally or about thispiece of simple technology that you
have that invites us to return.
(38:26):
It's funny technology toinvite us to return to our humanity.
But anyway, so go ahead andtell us.
Yeah, it's kind of funnybecause the answers to our future
lie in our distance past andare accessible now in the present.
Right?
So that's the story.
Warmspace IO as you get a feelfor what warm space is all about,
(38:48):
you find me on LinkedIn, youknow, Patrick Cowden on LinkedIn,
and you'll have that information.
Patrick Cowden.
I thought C O W D E N Isomehow I had an R in there.
Cowden.
I'm sorry?
Patrick Cowden.
You rolled it so nice.
It sounded a lot better thanCowden for me, so I didn't say nothing.
It was fine.
(39:09):
I thought it has CRO.
Croton.
Cowden.
I am sorry.
With a name like KellenFlukegar, you pay attention to that
stuff.
Patrick Cowden.
Anyway, Patrick Cowden onLinkedIn, Warmspace IO, what else?
And that's a starting point.
If you're interested,especially if you're.
Our focus is on companies andcorporations especially.
(39:31):
And if you're interested,we've got a click and click and go
demonstration we can do for folks.
And once they see it the firsttime, once they experience it the
first time, they'll want touse it.
And most of the companies, wedo what's called proof of concept.
We kind of show you at scalehow that works in your company and.
And then you're going to beoff to the races because those that
(39:53):
get it, they go, damn it.
I always knew something likethis had to exist, but no one ever
came and said so.
And now I've got it.
I know I can do both for success.
I can take care of mybusiness, but most important, I can
take care of my people.
I love it.
And the possible impact or the.
The undoubted impact thatyou're going to have is enormous.
(40:13):
And I knew there was a reasonI loved you.
You know, My goal is to reach300 million people with this message
here of purpose, prosperityand joy.
And you have a staggeringpurpose that is so aligned with the
energy and heart of who I amand what I'm doing.
I love it and I want to.
Yeah, I'm excited about it.
So let me ask you a finalquestion here, and that is this.
(40:37):
Whether it's about warmspaceIO or the peripheral or learnings
that brought you back tocreating this, to let us be in touch
with our humanity, what wouldyou like to say to encourage or to
teach people listening Rightnow about their own divinity, capability,
(40:58):
possibility, the truth of whatwe can create.
Yes.
Thank you.
Yeah.
First and foremost, alwaysbelieve in you.
Right.
And I've got a friend,Braxton, he does these bracelets.
They're called I believe in you.
Right.
And they've got an NFC on it.
(41:19):
And you can give the braceletsaway and then watch where they go
in the world.
So give a little kindnessthrough that bracelet.
And it starts with this mostfundamental of elements, to look
someone in the eye and say,kellen, I truly, deeply believe in
you and what you stand for.
And if everyone watching andlistening to any of your shows, there's
(41:40):
one message they can take withthem is belief is the foundation.
When we can believe in eachother, believe in ourselves, there's
nothing we can't achieve.
And if a practice of respect,appreciation, and gratitude can help
strengthen that confidencethat I have a shot at the best life
(42:03):
ever, then that's where it starts.
And practice that every day.
Believe in you.
I do believe in you.
Hell, yeah.
You know, that's just wonderful.
And I want to say to you guyslistening, Patrick loves you.
I love you.
And the both of us give youthat assurance of that possibility
(42:25):
from absolute certainty, notonly from experiencing it in our
own lives, but as Patrickindicated, from walking through the
fire multiple times with arefusal to give up and a firm commitment
to go forward, to not give up,to believe, and to not end, you know,
(42:49):
down, but to stand up, tohope, to see and to believe.
Patrick, thanks for being heretoday with me.
Thank you, Kelly.
It was a pleasure and anhonor, and I admire you deeply.
I appreciate you.
Thank you.
Well, you're welcome.
And I'm grateful to have suchpowerful voices, my friends.
(43:11):
You hear all kinds of coolstuff, and today's been especially
good.
And it won't mean anythingunless you listen, unless you let
it land, unless you hear thenudge and feel it and decide to do
something, even a littlesomething with it.
Because if you do, the futureis open, it is bright, and there
(43:33):
is a path from where you areto create your ultimate life right
here, right now.
Your opportunity for massivegrowth is right in front of you.
(43:53):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.