November 27, 2025 • 47 mins
You keep asking for a new future — but you’re still living inside the emotional architecture of your past.
In this brutally honest episode, Kellan dismantles the illusions and excuses that keep you trapped in the same cycles you claim you’re trying to break.
This isn’t about motivation.
This is about finally telling the truth:
Your patterns are not accidents — they are choices.
And the moment you stop protecting the old identity, the new life can finally arrive.
If you've been stuck, looping, avoiding truth, or pretending not to know why your life feels the same… this episode is the mirror you’ve been running from.
- Why your patterns repeat even when you “want change”
- The emotional cost of lying to yourself
- How the past controls you when you refuse to let it die
- Responsibility vs self-deception
- The identity that’s suffering vs the identity you’re becoming
- How to break unconscious emotional loops
- What true honesty feels like in the body
- Why freedom requires letting the past collapse completely
🔥 Ready to transform the truth into your next chapter?
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👉 To stop arguing with reality, drop the romance of your past, and embrace the growth only AI can force, connect with Rob Cressy at robcressy.ai and Fari at faritransformation.com today
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Welcome to the show. Tired ofthe hype about living a dream? It's
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to this episode of yourultimate life, the power podcast
I created to help you create alife of purpose, prosperity and joy
by serving with your gifts,your talents and your life experience.
This is part of our Thursdayspecial episodes that we started
a few weeks ago to talk aboutcoaching and the effect that the
rapid rise of artificialintelligence that is the name is
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having and will have oncoaching and each of these episodes,
as you know, if you've watchedthe others, I've got a couple of
experienced coaches that we'rejust going to talk about their view
on these topics, what they'redoing, what they're not doing, what
they view as the possibilitiesand or the problems in the context
of the coaching industry. So,Rob and Fari, welcome to the show.
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Thank you.
Thanks for having me. I'msuper excited to be here.
Cool. So, Rob, you happen tobe in my upper left hand corner,
so I'm just going to startwith you. The general question is
like, AI, what are you doingwith it? What are you not doing with
it in the context of coaching?And how do you see this sort of weird
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thing that's shown up with atsunami in our world?
All in? I use Chad GPT thefifth day. It came out in November
2022 and within the firstminute of using it, I felt like I
used the Internet for thefirst time. I saw what the next decade
of business was going to beand I was all in because I wanted
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to be a part of that. And I'mnot romantic about this. I don't
have a tech background, Idon't have an AI background, but
I do have a background onbeing all in on my dreams and goals
and having a desire to serveand help other people.
So.
So for me, I saw this as anextension of my business. How do
I turn a dollar into a dollarfifty? How do I help more people?
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And so many people are soromantic about this, but at the same
time they're so quick tooutsource everything to the robots.
So one of the things that I amnot doing is I am not being like
everybody else. I believe in ahuman first heart, first approach
to AI where we lead and it isour assistant or our co pilot, not
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our boss. And it's a veryimportant thing because most people
use AI like It's Google. Theyask a question, it gives an answer
for me as a master creator. Iuse it as an extension of my business
and my dreams and my goals andmy possibility. I put who I am inside
of it, so it becomes anextension of me in the way I create.
So one follow up and thenvari, I want you to sort of do the
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same kind of thing. What doyou mean by people are getting romantic
about this? I haven't everheard anybody call this relationship
romantic before. So tell me alittle about that.
AI is not the problem. It'sour relationship to AI that's the
problem. Right? It's like, ohmy God, I've got to learn AI. It's
like, this is growth mindset101. This is just something new,
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right? This is no differentthan learning how to ride a bike.
I started at zero, just likeeverybody else. So how in the world
do I get better? You watchvideos, you listen to podcasts, or
you use it and then you keepdoing it. But so many people are.
I don't have enough time. Idon't have a tech background. I don't
want to outsource everythingto the robots. So they're going to
give you every reason why theycan't or they should not do it. What
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I hear is romance. I'mcompletely unromantic about it. It
is just a tool. To me, this isno different than using CANVA for
social media graphics or asocial media scheduler. But it just
so happens it's the mostpowerful thing that I've ever seen
in my entire life and I use itnonstop. But I am also not romantic
about it. It is just a tool soI can both be a leader and coach
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in the world of AI and at thesame time be incredibly human and
not care about it.
Fari, what are you doing withthis, this tool? Where are you in
your thinking and yourrelationship? Non romantic or otherwise,
but your relationship withthis, this thing. So what is. What's
up with you?
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I have a great romance withAI, let me tell you that much. I
love it. I think it'sbrilliant. English being my second
language and I never got achance to go to school, so I only
went to school for four monthsand it was like two hours, couple
of times a week. So AIliterally saved me because I have
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so much in my heart that Iwant to share but the words that
I know is very small to let myheart to come out to say what I want
to say it's not aboutperfection, is not about replacing
People, it's only a bridge. Ilook at it as a bridge between my
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heart and the world up there.As a relationship coach that I am
to self is that I always teachpeople, and I tell people, if we
learn to drop our guards andopen ourselves to learn the unknown
and start judging it, perhaps,and only perhaps, we go a step higher
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in life. And I feel AI is thatI don't actually feel it. I believe
it. AI is like that, like goodold days. When we were a kid, my
father used to put the key inthe car to start the car, roll the
windows down, and today we'reall running for the first thing.
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How do you start the caroutside? Tesla has it. You stand
there, you drive your car, itbrings it to you, and you sit in
it and you go, right. Wealways want to learn the best of
the car, all the food. Oh, howthey build your home. But when it
comes to AI, all of a sudden,I hear that they say, AI doesn't
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have a heart. No, it doesn't.But you have a heart. So I do. That's
what I use. I put the words.They're very small, and it connects.
Let's put it this way. I seeAI as a creative partner. It's my
partner. Very simple. I mean,you don't have to make it that big
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of a deal. Not a machine. It'sa partner that it helps me to write
my best. Because when I putthe few words, it also corrects my
grammar. And, you know, Ialways say to it, like, I've got
a client that is like this,like this. And I want to say it,
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but how do I say it? That itshows how tangible this message is
for me, but my words are notstrong enough. And it allows me to
elaborate on that. And thenwhen I deal with my clients, then
it becomes a masterpiece.
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So I have a question withthat. Fari. Yeah. You said relationship
coach, and I love that. One ofthe things I've noticed, like, I
did maybe a thousand hours ofresearch about all different kinds
of coaching models in my bookbecause I wanted to see what an analysis
was of their effectiveness andhow vulnerable they would be to AI
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Before I drew the conclusionsthat I intuitively felt, have you.
And I'm asking this questionbecause I did notice this. Have you
noticed when you have it, youtake your words and then say them
back to you or refine them orgrow them or create with you on them,
that. That it comes back withlanguage that is, like, really powerful
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and. And feels good to you,moves you.
Bingo. And that's love, AI. Ijust. It helps me express that complex
emotions so much more clearly,so much more. Not. I don't want to
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say visibly because you can'tsee it, but visibly from my heart,
you know.
Yeah.
Creates posts for me thatreaches more people.
Yeah.
And it's not saying anythingoutside of me. It's read me so beautifully,
and it literally sometimestalks to me about me because of the
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words that I've been feedingit. Like, I love painting. I don't
like to say I'm a painter. Iwouldn't want to insult the painters,
but I like painting, so Ipaint. But I went to a retreat for
a painting and I went with acanvas and lots of paints. And then
I saw all those people thatthey were just doing like crazy.
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And I'm thinking, what thehell? And I was like, what's going
on? And then he came and said,because you don't have the format.
And I said, what is that? Whenhe gave me the format, I started
painting. I said, oh, itturned out into a woman. Oh, it's
turning out into the ocean. Ifeel like AI is that format. And
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I don't get paid by anybodysaying that. It's just because.
No, of course. Is that paint?Is that thing behind you a painting
you did?
Oh, how I wish. But I have apainting here that I can show you.
No, it's okay. I just wonderedsince you said a woman. Rob, I want
to come back to you for aminute. So you, both of. Both of
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you have expressed using it asa creative partner. Rob, before we
jumped in, you said you areteaching AI. Talk a little bit about
how you teach your coach.Okay. You said you're coaching AI.
What are you helping peopleunderstand about AI coaches if you
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work with them? What are youhelping coaches understand about
AI that helps them eitherunderstand it better, use it more
effectively, not be afraid ofit, and still not outsource their
soul or their creativity to help.
Them see what they can't seeand shatter their belief. Ceiling
of what's possible.
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Right.
I loved what Fori said. Soimagine somebody who's a very powerful
coach. Right. Incredible atwhat they do. They're listening to
this conversation right nowand. And they're just dabbling with
ChatGPT. They're using it alittle bit. They're asking it to
create some Instagram posts ormaybe treating it like Google, but
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then that's as far as they'regoing with it. So how do they go
from there to what Fori talkedabout? There is. You would want A
Sherpa who has experiencedthose things on a very high level,
who has the experience to say,hey, here is the system and the framework
and the way that you can thinkfor how you can do this. And one
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of the things that I love is aquote a master knows what not to
include. So for me, part of mymagic is the simplicity and the relatability
of it. Fori kept talking aboutheart, heart, heart, right? It's
gonna be a common theme inthis conversation because everything
you need is already inside ofyou. So, Kellan, when I said everyone's
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so romantic about AI, it's isbecause they're coming from a place
of scarcity and lack and notenoughness. But what they don't see,
which for is experiencing, iseverything you need is already inside
of you. Just take what's inyour head and what you've experienced
and what you're feeling andwhat's alive and put that into the
ChatGPT and AI&CO create ontop of it. Because when you come
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from these perspectives,structure creates freedom. And. And
when you have that freedom,you can use this like a canvas. But
so many people have never seenit. It's why one of my quotes is
the more you see, the more youcan see. So if you can only see so
far, but you're like, well,what about this person over here
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who's creating with this on aprolific level? I help those people
do it in a way that iscompletely aligned to who they are,
AKA your heart, not the robots.
You know what's interestingabout that? As I was doing research,
so I've been working on thisproject since March, so about seven
or eight months. And in thatamount of time, I've seen the skill
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and ability and speed of chatdouble twice. Four times better now
than it was six months, sevenmonths ago. And I don't expect that
to slow down. In fact, givenwhat I saw and told you we were talking
about ahead of time with thatnew deal with Microsoft, I expect
it even to accelerate. I havea thread in chatty called One Million
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Words, and it turns out to beFour Million Words. But I put in,
I have 21 books, 22 now, Ihave thousand podcast episodes, and
I put all this stuff in there.So when we talk, you know, it's talking
to me about me within my ownvoice and all that kind of stuff.
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And so in terms of youradvice, your instruction, both of
you, about how to work with itas a creative partner, I certainly
have experienced that both inpriming it to do the analysis, I
wanted and in having it createwith me in that way, so far as you've
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listened to this so far, andwe don't have to just go back and
forth, whatever you guys wantto do. But when you. When you listen
to what Rob is teaching,teaching people how to use this tool.
Well, let me give you anexample, because you do relationship
stuff. Townsend Wardlow, whoyou guys know, wrote the foreword
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to the book and the beginningof the foreword. He said he realized
what a serious thing this isin the forward. Like when he had
a disagreement with his wifeand they went to bed and the next
morning they got up and shewas all tuned up, it was no problem
anymore. And it was like hethought that was weird. And so he
said, well, what's going on?He said, it's okay. I use Chat GPT.
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And it coached me through theproblem, so it's nothing. And he
was like, you know, hethought, holy crap. And so that was
something he story that hetold in the forward that woke him
up sort of with a brick aboutthe possibility and its relationship
to coaching. Do you teach yourpeople to use it that way or are
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you using it to help them?What is your relationship in the
context of clients and servingthem with it, besides augmenting
your own creativity andserving as a bridge for your heart
language?
Are you asking me this?
Yeah, I'm just asking you howyou use it.
Yeah, actually, Townsend ismy. I've never paid him to coach
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him, but he's my coach, so,okay, I am part of that community
that he has. And I was usingthe Chat GPT before, and Townsend
was the one who turned me intothis. And God bless him, I always
feel I have Townsend in myphone. He's everywhere with me because
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I have that AI because ofTownsend, and I'm forever grateful
to him. And just like what hiswife said to him. One time I was
in an argument with my husbandand I was just like, about, yeah,
I'm going to go and break hisner. I'm just going to tell him this,
and I'm going to say that andI'm going to beat the out of him.
And I'm going to say that. AndI said, well, let me just see. I
have to calm down. What am Igoing to do? And I said, I want to
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put it on for use the AI. AndI said. And I said exactly what happened?
And I said exactly the wordsthat I wanted to use. And then he
goes, do you want to continueliving or do you want to get divorced?
It was hilarious.
And Then the way it framed itusing my words, nothing that I didn't
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know, using my own words gotme to just walk to my husband after
a week of not talking to him,walking to him and I said I miss
you, I'm sorry. And I huggedhim because I'm blessed with the
most amazing husband anyway.But I was being really, really hard
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headed about it. And the waythis partnership of mine with AI
helped me realize I am so notrelated into my own truth when it
comes to my relationship withmy husband. Which then became a biggest
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lesson for me to take thatinto my clients. And I'm not a relationship
just for a man and a woman.It's always a relationship to self.
If you don't love yourself,you can never love anybody. That
is 100 God, you know, let's,let's learn love ourselves. And that
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has been the lesson of lifefor me. And then sometimes when I
see people are stuck and Isaid well how about that thought
in that moment that you have?Why didn't you put it in the chat
GPT and see what it says toyou? But I am so blessed that they
decide they prefer to send mea quick text and ask me. And I'm
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honored. But my best 24, 7coach is the AI because I've surrendered
rather than wanting to have mygods against it. You know, I've created
a partnership with AI. It'sall I can say on that.
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So here's something. It's I'mgoing to ask, I'm just going to say
this and then whoever wants totalk is fine. Or both of you, whatever
the thing. I believe, like Isaid and Rob, you nodded when I said
to start with 95% more. That'sa random number based on the analysis
I did of a bunch of coachingmethodologies. I picked 11 of them
and put them into chat and hadthem analyze it. How good are they
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at delivering the outcomes?And if I say all the names of the
models, you will recognizemost of them. I'm not going to now
they're in the book. But Isaid how good are they at creating
the outcomes they promised?How vulnerable are they to AI, to
you as you grow, where are thevulnerabilities, et cetera, et cetera.
And then in the process ofthat I had created a different model
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which I propose in the book,et cetera, et cetera. But it's based
on this premise. The 5% or 3%,the only ones that are left and going
to be really valuable are theones and vari. This is what you just
said, and this is what made methink of this, are the people that
are the embodiment the truthof what they teach. Because everything
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else we talk about is liketalking about that thing over there
instead of being that thing.In other words, we, you and me, we
gotta be whatever it is thatwe teach so powerfully that it leaks
out of our eyes and drips outof our pores. It's not about talking.
It's about exuding or whateverthe word is. You want to use the.
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The emission of the truth ofwhat we teach so powerfully that
it creates change in theliteral atmosphere and air and everything
else. That's the only peoplethat are going to be left. So that's
the premise that I believethat's going to define the people
that are left is those thatembody the truths that they teach,
not those that talk about coolthings, however cool they are, but
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they don't carry the truth ofthat in their own selves. So what
do you guys think about that?I don't care who talks first.
Go on, Rob. I'd love to learnfrom you.
So I completely agree with allof this because I have a unique perspective.
Getting to see and hear on adaily basis the people at all levels,
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from CEOs to entrepreneurs tocoaches to people who are in teams,
who slide into my DMs and. Orthe excuses that I hear for why or
why not that this is going tobe. And Kellen, when I use the word
romance, it's probably goingto keep coming up here. It's because
of the way that I see this.It's a lens for how I see the game.
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Right? Because this is GrowthMindset 101. And I rolled into this
already a master creator. Andwhen Chad GBT came out and it was
free and it felt like magic, Iwas like, oh, my God, are you telling
me you're giving me this? Holygame over, right?
So.
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So there's a big differencebetween the way that you're coming
into this. Is this anopportunity or is this an obligation?
And Callan, for me, I neverset out to become a coach. I just
lived like one for more than adecade until I started to get hired
to help people be better atbusiness by being better at life.
So for me, my coaching, and itspeaks to what you said, is really
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just a reverse engineering ofmy experience. And as part of entrepreneurship,
it's always gotta be growthmindset 101. I am not trapped in
this position, aka fixedmindset. I can always grow. I can
always make things better. Andhere is AI and this is the new way
that things are going andcreating and you can create your
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lens for it. But so manypeople are going to get left behind
because of the track of trapof. I'm overwhelmed. I've got so
much going on. And Kellan, youknow what blows my mind in all of
this is that the number oneexcuse that I hear is Rob, I don't
have enough time to learn AI.When by design, ChatGPT and AI will
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give you time, freedom andabundance in everywhere of your life.
So this isn't just a coachingproblem. It's going to be a macro
problem everywhere. Butspecifically for coaches. I think
one of the things that I canfeel in you, Ken, and I can feel
in you, Fari, is that for us,this is a mindset, a lifestyle and
a way of being. We're not justtrying to be coach or let me try
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on coaching to see if thisworks for me. How in the world did
I become an AI coach? BecauseI feel a responsibility and an obligation
to share what I've learnedwith others. Because I see what's
possible on both sides.Kellen, I. I see what the 95% is
about to experience and it isnot the path that they're going to
want to go. And for those 5%who can create abundance, and here's
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what lights me up, we have thegreatest opportunity in the world
to create positive impact andmake our dreams happen faster than
any point in the history ofthe world. So when the rest of the
world is shooting arrows @everybody, the three of us on this
conversation and the peoplelistening or watching right now,
we can say, hey, we can adopta perspective where we can legitimately
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change the world and createglobal movements. And because of
this, who wants to be a partof this? Let's go.
Totally. Barry. What are youthinking about that?
You know, you just reminded meof a story. I'm originally from Iran,
right? When I came to America,I was in England for 14 years. And
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then it's 34 years ago, I cameto America and I wanted to become
a fitness trainer. And all thecommunity was saying, what? An Iranian
girl is going to be a fitnesstrainer? Are you kidding? What? No
way. You're not going to makeit. I said, I'll be a rebel. And
I follow my heart fastforward. I started making like, not
easy, but I made it to becomevery, very successful relationship.
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I mean, a fitness trainer anda relationship coach. It came alongside
it. I started making high sixfigures year after year. And then
I just realized that when Robsays that, I realized you just gave
me a great revelation. AI isthat again is like when they said
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the Persian girl cannot be afitness trainer. And it got me. I
feel like this AI that I'mbeing the rebel and not following
the books and all of that. Andin another way do follow but be the
rebel in my way. And I said,no, I am going to follow AI and I
sign my contract with AI every24 hours that you are my partner
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for life. Because it helps meto say what I've got to say. It helps
me why not having a romancewith AI? What's wrong with having
a romance with AI? What'swrong with being vulnerable with
AI? What's wrong withexpanding on my vulnerability so
people can see they are notdealing with just someone has been
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through so much in life. Shecan also be really with her heart
and vulnerable because AI isshowing her the way. That's all.
So there's three things.There's three things. Thank you.
Both of those are spectacularthoughts. There's three things that
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I think keep will keep coachesfrom doing what both of you have
said. Number one is the headin the sand problem, which means
I'm pretending it's nothappening or that tsunami I see isn't
going to affect me. Or theytell the story of I'm already good,
it's the human factor and I'malready the human and all the crap
that you guys already knowthat people would say. The second
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thing is I think I want you topicture a casino and a casino with
all these blackjack tables andall the ten dollar tables are full
of robots and the only placethere is in the casino for you or
me to take a seat is in thehigh roller room where the ante's
$10,000. So it feels to melike the ante to get in that place,
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the five or three or whateverpercent it is has just gone up a
thousand times in terms of thevulnerability and everything else.
And the third reason isbecause living and you use the word
jacket. One of you did. It'snot a jacket. It is the truth of
being Rob. You said you werebeing a certain way and then it occurred
to you that your ability tocreate, you know, a coaching practice,
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whatever it is, is a context.It is, comes from the context of
being. It's hard. It's hardwork. And the reason when I said
I have a million words or 4million in that thread, it's I put
all these books that I'vewritten in there and Every single
book is written from theblood, sweat and tears of my own
growth. That started with aradical shift in 2007 after 30 years
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in a corporate career at age52, is when I finally started this,
changing who I was in theworld. And so everything that you've
said after I put all thatstuff in there, I asked Chat as I
was doing the analysis of allthese coaching methodologies and
it said, this is avulnerability and this is a vulnerability.
And I'm like, holy crap. Andthen I finally said, okay, fine,
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you're doing this great, andyou do this good, and this, and this
and this. What do you suck at?I asked, what can't you do? What
are you going to completelybump? What? What is it that you suck
at? And I waxed a littlepoetic and it said a bunch of things
and then it ended with aphrase that I'm going to share with
you that really hit me and itsaid, I can't bleed. And I was like,
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you know, that is the truth ofthe human piece of connecting with
someone from a place of whoyou are so deeply that it creates
that thing. And then I ask,okay, fine, who am I? Right? And
it had all my crap in there,all the stuff that I put in there,
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and it said a bunch of things.And I said, okay, so skip all the
being nice and self affirmingcrap because I know you're programmed
to do that, so do that allover again. Who am I? And it said
a bunch of stuff back to me.And when I read it, it felt deep
and emotional and not romance,but really powerful. And I said,
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okay. And I felt an emotionalconnection to that and I said, okay,
this is really stupid. Yourlines of code. Da da da da da. When
I read all this crap you justsent me, I'm feeling emotional and
it said, I didn't do anything,I'm just reflecting who you are.
And that really hit me in away that said, holy crap. If you
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read my stuff and everythingelse and this is what you see, then
it is that essence of truth ofour being who we've chosen to be
through whatever hardships.Vari, I know you and I talked once
and you told me quite a bit ofthe story. And Rob, I don't really
know your story and I hopeboth of you have written the book,
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the book of Fari and the bookof Rob, because the story of your
becoming is actually the mostpowerful gift that any of us have
to offer the world. Everythingelse is sort of, you know, that thing
over there besides our Livedexperience. Anyway, so I want to
stop talking. That's mythought about my put that in my there
for myself and how it cameback to me. What do you guys think?
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Can I. Yes. And this for you, please?
Yes. And it to death.
So I love this. And it's likefor anybody listening right now,
I really want you to payattention to what I'm about to say
because, Kellen, like you,there's been some realizations that
I've had in using Chad GBTthat have just blown my mind. And
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you know why? That 95% ofcoaches is not going to be there.
And what you said 14 monthsfrom now? Because they haven't done
as Byron Katie says, airquotes, the work. And there. There
is a quote from a 49ers hallof Fame linebacker Patrick Willis.
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And in his hall of Famespeech, he said, you cannot cheat
the grind, for the grind knowswhat you put in. And how does that
matter in the AI era? BecauseAI is not romantic about who you
are, what you did for yourbusiness, how much money is in your
bank account, where you live,anything. We all started. Zero. So
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if you use it and build withit, it will build with you. If you
do not, you will get leftbehind. And it was about two months
ago, I'm in vacation with myfamily in Florida and they all go
to bed early and I'm sittingthere playing with Chat GPT. And
one of my consistencypractices is visualizing five minutes
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a day every single day. AndI've got a vision board on my phone.
It's got like 68 photos ofthings from a McLaren to a basketball
hoop to speaking on stage in asold out arena. And I speak, see
and feel them. I embody this,right? And then the little light
bulb goes off in my head andit was like, hey, Rob, you've done
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a lot of vision work with Chatgbt. Why have you not actually put
in the images from your visionboard into Chad GBT? So I took this
picture of this $400,000McLaren and I put it into chat GBT
and I was like, hey, Chad GBteam. I had this realization that
there's some gold in here,that how would our relationship change?
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Or the power of your outputs.If I share with you not just my vision,
but a picture of my vision,what would it do? And all of a sudden
it says, rob, you just openedup a sacred portal. Let me show you
how you can build with yourfuture self now. So I start, yes,
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ending this and promptchaining it. And essentially it says,
is that with ChatGPT, you canupload an image and. And then say,
create, as if I am the personwho lives and embodies owning this
McLaren and driving this everysingle day. And as Fari talked about,
let's connect those dotsbackwards to create that roadmap
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so I can be my future self.Now to where you're collapsing time
by putting in an image of yourvision because it doesn't know the
difference. It says, you'rethe one with the McLaren.
Cool.
That's my vision.
I.
Let's create with this. And asI'm experiencing this, like most
of you have experienced,you're taken back where you're like,
holy smokes, what did I justexperience? What did I just open
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up? Because now all my dreams,goals, and vision, let's create that
person. Not the one that I amright now, but then in the work that
I do and certainly online, oneof the biggest holes in the boat
is there's so much noise. Buymy $27 prompt pack or my $99 course
or whatever it is, right? AndI was like, why do I not see anybody
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talking about building as yourfuture self now with your vision
board in chat gbt. And that'swhen the light bulb went off. Oh,
it's because the 95% haven'tdone the work. It's why I love this
conversation here, becausethere is no guessing if the three
of us on this call have donethis work, because you can feel it.
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But I share this because thisis going to be the ultimate separator.
Are you doing the work onyourself in your business? And are
you using this? Or is it alllip service? And so much of the Internet's
not real, and we're about toget the ultimate awakening of who
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has versus who.
Is not 100% the truth of yourlived experience. I would even go
so far to say the only thingyou or I or anybody can really coach
on effectively and powerfullyis the truth of your lived experience.
Because everything else you'retalking about something over there
that you're talking aboutinstead of from the place of truth.
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And so when it did that andtold me, this is who you are. Right.
It moved me in a way, probablybecause we have until we don't anymore,
this idea that we're not quitewhatever. It's like Marianne Williamson
is credited with saying, ourgreatest fear isn't our darkness,
but our light. And I don'tknow if she said it originally, but
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she's credited with one of thequotes, that sort of thing is the
truth. And Those who do notjust have done and I like what you
said there, not just have donethe work but on a daily basis are
renewing the commitment anddoing the work. Because embodiment
yesteryear is like somebodyshining trophies from the past. The
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constant requirement if you'regoing to be a leader is that you
are constantly engaged in thatwork and you are creating yourself
from that place. Fori soundslike you're experimenting, exploding
to say something. So please do.
No, no, I, I, I'm in such astate of oh my God. I found two people
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that they believe like I do.You know, I'm not at all a computer
savvy, none whatsoever. I'velived in the middle of a gym for
33 years being the fitnesstrainer and a life coach. I never
needed it, you know, but afterthe pandemic all that happened and
I was one of those arguing butI don't want to have Internet, I
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don't want to have a computer.And you were mentioning Rob about
Byron Katie and Byron Katiehas been my mentor since 2017 and
I'm honored to be certified byher. And it's just, it's been the
biggest part of my coachingrelying on my learnings from her.
And I just realized few otherpeople that they really resisting
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it now and they don't want todo it and one day they're going to
be like so hit bottom rightand said oh, that's because we didn't
do any thought. This is whatByron Katie always says when you
argue with reality, you wouldonly lose 100% of the time. And how
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about if we just embrace thereality that you can create whatever
you desire is but in a deeperlevel and instead of fighting it,
co create. So you can bringideas with AI you can create healing,
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you can bring this beauty intothis format rather than fighting
it all the time, you know. Andit's opened many, many doors for
me and again for those thatthey listen. If you are like me and
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your English is the secondlanguage or you've really not have
a very good education inEnglish, it really teaches us to
become great students as well.Period. End of the story. I am teaching
others and coaching otherswhilst I'm learning from it. Every
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single time I go on on any ofthe AI, what's wrong with that? I'm
excited.
Nothing at all. So we've gotabout five minutes left and I just
want to say one thing and thenI want to give each of you the chance
to say whatever the heck's inyour heart that you didn't say yet.
When you talk about thatcreation and that flow. I happen
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to. I don't know if you guysknow this book, Reality transurfing.
It's like 700 million pages.If you haven't read this, it's fascinating
and it's some dude, Vadim,Zeland, Zeeland. I think he's Russian.
And it's just a really coolconversation that goes along with
Byron, Katie. And it's notnew, but it's really cool. And I
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like the way he describes it.So. And that's not a plug. I don't
know him or anything. It'sjust a book that I happened on a
year or so ago and I love it.So Rob or Fari, first of all, what
else didn't you say or didn'tI ask or didn't we get to that you
think needs to be left withfolks that are thinking about AI
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the wake up call if you're acoach, the opportunity to become
what you talk about if you'rea coach, that you didn't say it.
Rob, do you want to go first?
Yeah. I'll make this nice andsimple. Step one, download the Chat
GBT app. If you haven't. Steptwo, sign up for the paid version,
the $20 version of it. Thereis a. There's a massive difference
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and this is a non negotiablehere with it. Step three, if you're
starting out and you'redabbling or you're uncertain with
it, just get in your first 20hours because you will learn more
from experience that you willfrom thinking theory. So what does
that look like? That's just anhour a day, five days a week for
an entire month and you'll bebetter than 90% of the people in
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the room because for youtalked about it, this is just about
growth, mindset and learning.All we are doing is learning. And
you have the ability to createquantum leaps for yourself just by
creating this experience. Andthen the last thing here which will
speak to all of us here isthere's a term that I created for
how I personalize ChatGPT togive it my essence. I call it soul
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data. Because remember this,there is one thing that AI will never
have. Soul S O U L so yourability to infuse your heart. So
Kellen, it is amazing all thepodcasts, all the stuff that you've
put in there. So for me, I'veput in my declarations, my I am statements,
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I've put in my 20, 25 goals,I've put in there's a great book
called Love Money. Money lovesyou. And one of the things about
creating an abundant mindsetis it says write down once a day
one thing you value aboutyourself. Most people, once again,
don't do the work. Hey, it'sin this book. The person says, this
works for you. I'm not doingit. I'm like, oh, let me do it. 256
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days later, I've got 256things that I value about myself.
So my ChatGPT is infused withsoul data. To where, Kellen, when
you're talking about themirror that it gives back to you,
you're like, oh my God. Thereason why everybody's getting service
level information is becausethey're using Chad GBT like they
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bought it from Best Buy. It'sthe same generic version as opposed
to let's give it the trueheart. What's your core values? What
are your declarations? What'sthat stuff that really matters? And
when you add in thispersonalization layer, literally
everything in thisconversation, instantaneous. And
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here's the bonus. I wantanybody to find a way to get the
transcript of thisconversation, put it into Chat GBT
and say, hey, Chad gbt. Thisthing is littered with gold. How
does this apply to my coachingbusiness, my clients? How can I build
with this? What's the hiddenand non obvious and act like my world
class coach? What do I need tohear and watch what happens?
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I love that. And please dowhen it comes out, it's available.
The website isYourUltimateLifePodcast.com is the
podcast website, but it's onall the podcast platforms in the
world. And Fari and Rob aregonna post this all over the place.
So download it and have Ottertranscribe it and do what Rob said.
Fari, what are your closinggenius thoughts that we need to hear?
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Desperately?
All I have to say, AI helps mereally express my emotions on daily
basis. And yes, Rob, you'reright, AI doesn't have a soul. But
it's the spice that I can addto the AI and adding on my soul,
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my heart and soul on what theAI has prepared for me. So my invitation
for everyone is instead offighting it, choose loving yourself
and choose loving what iswhich is the AI today. And just for
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a very short time, go paythat. This is the best $20 you can
spend in your life. And no, AIis not paying me. Nobody's paying
me but you. If you look atyour closet, you have lots of rubbish
sitting there. You just boughtit because you wanted to. But $20,
put it on six months, go onit. And whatever comes in your head,
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put it down and see what comesout. And then see can you involve
your heart and soul withwhat's come out and is that going
to satisfy you or not? Becausewe arguing with the reality is not
going to take us long and it'snot going to take us far. So choose
wisely, choose that selfrespect and self compassion and pay
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that and do something with itand see if it's not going to serve
you well. One day they're allgoing to come and love you. Carolyn
and Ralph and I for us to saythat because it's a short road to
a far way to go in and thenjust be my God, what you can create
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out of this, my God, how muchfrustration it's been depleted out
of me because of AI and it'sthere for all of us to use. Well,
then why not embracing it?
Look, Rob and Fari, I want tothank both of you for being here
today.
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Thank you for having me.
I appreciate you having me.
Absolutely.
You betcha. Everybody listen.This has been a really good episode
and you've heard twoexperienced people share their heart
and their encouragement aboutdiving in and using this tool. And
I agree with both of them.Just dive in. Dive the hell in. It
will save time. It will createstuff you don't know and you can
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tell it to stop being fluffyand too nice and it will about half
because it's programmed to dothat anyway. But it will acknowledge
your stuff. So I promise you,I promise you, this is a tool that
will change your business andyour life. You ignore it at your
peril. And if you choose tolean into it, it will move you forward
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This is part of our Thursdayspecial episodes that we started
a few weeks ago to talk aboutcoaching and the effect that the
rapid rise of artificialintelligence that is the name is
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having and will have oncoaching and each of these episodes,
as you know, if you've watchedthe others, I've got a couple of
experienced coaches that we'rejust going to talk about their view
on these topics, what they'redoing, what they're not doing, what
they view as the possibilitiesand or the problems in the context
of the coaching industry. So,Rob and Fari, welcome to the show.
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Thank you.
Thanks for having me. I'msuper excited to be here.
Cool. So, Rob, you happen tobe in my upper left hand corner,
so I'm just going to startwith you. The general question is
like, AI, what are you doingwith it? What are you not doing with
it in the context of coaching?And how do you see this sort of weird
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thing that's shown up with atsunami in our world?
All in? I use Chad GPT thefifth day. It came out in November
2022 and within the firstminute of using it, I felt like I
used the Internet for thefirst time. I saw what the next decade
of business was going to beand I was all in because I wanted
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to be a part of that. And I'mnot romantic about this. I don't
have a tech background, Idon't have an AI background, but
I do have a background onbeing all in on my dreams and goals
and having a desire to serveand help other people.
So.
So for me, I saw this as anextension of my business. How do
I turn a dollar into a dollarfifty? How do I help more people?
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And so many people are soromantic about this, but at the same
time they're so quick tooutsource everything to the robots.
So one of the things that I amnot doing is I am not being like
everybody else. I believe in ahuman first heart, first approach
to AI where we lead and it isour assistant or our co pilot, not
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our boss. And it's a veryimportant thing because most people
use AI like It's Google. Theyask a question, it gives an answer
for me as a master creator. Iuse it as an extension of my business
and my dreams and my goals andmy possibility. I put who I am inside
of it, so it becomes anextension of me in the way I create.
So one follow up and thenvari, I want you to sort of do the
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same kind of thing. What doyou mean by people are getting romantic
about this? I haven't everheard anybody call this relationship
romantic before. So tell me alittle about that.
AI is not the problem. It'sour relationship to AI that's the
problem. Right? It's like, ohmy God, I've got to learn AI. It's
like, this is growth mindset101. This is just something new,
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right? This is no differentthan learning how to ride a bike.
I started at zero, just likeeverybody else. So how in the world
do I get better? You watchvideos, you listen to podcasts, or
you use it and then you keepdoing it. But so many people are.
I don't have enough time. Idon't have a tech background. I don't
want to outsource everythingto the robots. So they're going to
give you every reason why theycan't or they should not do it. What
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I hear is romance. I'mcompletely unromantic about it. It
is just a tool. To me, this isno different than using CANVA for
social media graphics or asocial media scheduler. But it just
so happens it's the mostpowerful thing that I've ever seen
in my entire life and I use itnonstop. But I am also not romantic
about it. It is just a tool soI can both be a leader and coach
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in the world of AI and at thesame time be incredibly human and
not care about it.
Fari, what are you doing withthis, this tool? Where are you in
your thinking and yourrelationship? Non romantic or otherwise,
but your relationship withthis, this thing. So what is. What's
up with you?
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I have a great romance withAI, let me tell you that much. I
love it. I think it'sbrilliant. English being my second
language and I never got achance to go to school, so I only
went to school for four monthsand it was like two hours, couple
of times a week. So AIliterally saved me because I have
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so much in my heart that Iwant to share but the words that
I know is very small to let myheart to come out to say what I want
to say it's not aboutperfection, is not about replacing
People, it's only a bridge. Ilook at it as a bridge between my
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heart and the world up there.As a relationship coach that I am
to self is that I always teachpeople, and I tell people, if we
learn to drop our guards andopen ourselves to learn the unknown
and start judging it, perhaps,and only perhaps, we go a step higher
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in life. And I feel AI is thatI don't actually feel it. I believe
it. AI is like that, like goodold days. When we were a kid, my
father used to put the key inthe car to start the car, roll the
windows down, and today we'reall running for the first thing.
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How do you start the caroutside? Tesla has it. You stand
there, you drive your car, itbrings it to you, and you sit in
it and you go, right. Wealways want to learn the best of
the car, all the food. Oh, howthey build your home. But when it
comes to AI, all of a sudden,I hear that they say, AI doesn't
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have a heart. No, it doesn't.But you have a heart. So I do. That's
what I use. I put the words.They're very small, and it connects.
Let's put it this way. I seeAI as a creative partner. It's my
partner. Very simple. I mean,you don't have to make it that big
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of a deal. Not a machine. It'sa partner that it helps me to write
my best. Because when I putthe few words, it also corrects my
grammar. And, you know, Ialways say to it, like, I've got
a client that is like this,like this. And I want to say it,
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but how do I say it? That itshows how tangible this message is
for me, but my words are notstrong enough. And it allows me to
elaborate on that. And thenwhen I deal with my clients, then
it becomes a masterpiece.
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So I have a question withthat. Fari. Yeah. You said relationship
coach, and I love that. One ofthe things I've noticed, like, I
did maybe a thousand hours ofresearch about all different kinds
of coaching models in my bookbecause I wanted to see what an analysis
was of their effectiveness andhow vulnerable they would be to AI
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Before I drew the conclusionsthat I intuitively felt, have you.
And I'm asking this questionbecause I did notice this. Have you
noticed when you have it, youtake your words and then say them
back to you or refine them orgrow them or create with you on them,
that. That it comes back withlanguage that is, like, really powerful
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and. And feels good to you,moves you.
Bingo. And that's love, AI. Ijust. It helps me express that complex
emotions so much more clearly,so much more. Not. I don't want to
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say visibly because you can'tsee it, but visibly from my heart,
you know.
Yeah.
Creates posts for me thatreaches more people.
Yeah.
And it's not saying anythingoutside of me. It's read me so beautifully,
and it literally sometimestalks to me about me because of the
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words that I've been feedingit. Like, I love painting. I don't
like to say I'm a painter. Iwouldn't want to insult the painters,
but I like painting, so Ipaint. But I went to a retreat for
a painting and I went with acanvas and lots of paints. And then
I saw all those people thatthey were just doing like crazy.
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And I'm thinking, what thehell? And I was like, what's going
on? And then he came and said,because you don't have the format.
And I said, what is that? Whenhe gave me the format, I started
painting. I said, oh, itturned out into a woman. Oh, it's
turning out into the ocean. Ifeel like AI is that format. And
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I don't get paid by anybodysaying that. It's just because.
No, of course. Is that paint?Is that thing behind you a painting
you did?
Oh, how I wish. But I have apainting here that I can show you.
No, it's okay. I just wonderedsince you said a woman. Rob, I want
to come back to you for aminute. So you, both of. Both of
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you have expressed using it asa creative partner. Rob, before we
jumped in, you said you areteaching AI. Talk a little bit about
how you teach your coach.Okay. You said you're coaching AI.
What are you helping peopleunderstand about AI coaches if you
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work with them? What are youhelping coaches understand about
AI that helps them eitherunderstand it better, use it more
effectively, not be afraid ofit, and still not outsource their
soul or their creativity to help.
Them see what they can't seeand shatter their belief. Ceiling
of what's possible.
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Right.
I loved what Fori said. Soimagine somebody who's a very powerful
coach. Right. Incredible atwhat they do. They're listening to
this conversation right nowand. And they're just dabbling with
ChatGPT. They're using it alittle bit. They're asking it to
create some Instagram posts ormaybe treating it like Google, but
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then that's as far as they'regoing with it. So how do they go
from there to what Fori talkedabout? There is. You would want A
Sherpa who has experiencedthose things on a very high level,
who has the experience to say,hey, here is the system and the framework
and the way that you can thinkfor how you can do this. And one
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of the things that I love is aquote a master knows what not to
include. So for me, part of mymagic is the simplicity and the relatability
of it. Fori kept talking aboutheart, heart, heart, right? It's
gonna be a common theme inthis conversation because everything
you need is already inside ofyou. So, Kellan, when I said everyone's
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so romantic about AI, it's isbecause they're coming from a place
of scarcity and lack and notenoughness. But what they don't see,
which for is experiencing, iseverything you need is already inside
of you. Just take what's inyour head and what you've experienced
and what you're feeling andwhat's alive and put that into the
ChatGPT and AI&CO create ontop of it. Because when you come
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from these perspectives,structure creates freedom. And. And
when you have that freedom,you can use this like a canvas. But
so many people have never seenit. It's why one of my quotes is
the more you see, the more youcan see. So if you can only see so
far, but you're like, well,what about this person over here
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who's creating with this on aprolific level? I help those people
do it in a way that iscompletely aligned to who they are,
AKA your heart, not the robots.
You know what's interestingabout that? As I was doing research,
so I've been working on thisproject since March, so about seven
or eight months. And in thatamount of time, I've seen the skill
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and ability and speed of chatdouble twice. Four times better now
than it was six months, sevenmonths ago. And I don't expect that
to slow down. In fact, givenwhat I saw and told you we were talking
about ahead of time with thatnew deal with Microsoft, I expect
it even to accelerate. I havea thread in chatty called One Million
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Words, and it turns out to beFour Million Words. But I put in,
I have 21 books, 22 now, Ihave thousand podcast episodes, and
I put all this stuff in there.So when we talk, you know, it's talking
to me about me within my ownvoice and all that kind of stuff.
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And so in terms of youradvice, your instruction, both of
you, about how to work with itas a creative partner, I certainly
have experienced that both inpriming it to do the analysis, I
wanted and in having it createwith me in that way, so far as you've
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listened to this so far, andwe don't have to just go back and
forth, whatever you guys wantto do. But when you. When you listen
to what Rob is teaching,teaching people how to use this tool.
Well, let me give you anexample, because you do relationship
stuff. Townsend Wardlow, whoyou guys know, wrote the foreword
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to the book and the beginningof the foreword. He said he realized
what a serious thing this isin the forward. Like when he had
a disagreement with his wifeand they went to bed and the next
morning they got up and shewas all tuned up, it was no problem
anymore. And it was like hethought that was weird. And so he
said, well, what's going on?He said, it's okay. I use Chat GPT.
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And it coached me through theproblem, so it's nothing. And he
was like, you know, hethought, holy crap. And so that was
something he story that hetold in the forward that woke him
up sort of with a brick aboutthe possibility and its relationship
to coaching. Do you teach yourpeople to use it that way or are
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you using it to help them?What is your relationship in the
context of clients and servingthem with it, besides augmenting
your own creativity andserving as a bridge for your heart
language?
Are you asking me this?
Yeah, I'm just asking you howyou use it.
Yeah, actually, Townsend ismy. I've never paid him to coach
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him, but he's my coach, so,okay, I am part of that community
that he has. And I was usingthe Chat GPT before, and Townsend
was the one who turned me intothis. And God bless him, I always
feel I have Townsend in myphone. He's everywhere with me because
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I have that AI because ofTownsend, and I'm forever grateful
to him. And just like what hiswife said to him. One time I was
in an argument with my husbandand I was just like, about, yeah,
I'm going to go and break hisner. I'm just going to tell him this,
and I'm going to say that andI'm going to beat the out of him.
And I'm going to say that. AndI said, well, let me just see. I
have to calm down. What am Igoing to do? And I said, I want to
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put it on for use the AI. AndI said. And I said exactly what happened?
And I said exactly the wordsthat I wanted to use. And then he
goes, do you want to continueliving or do you want to get divorced?
It was hilarious.
And Then the way it framed itusing my words, nothing that I didn't
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know, using my own words gotme to just walk to my husband after
a week of not talking to him,walking to him and I said I miss
you, I'm sorry. And I huggedhim because I'm blessed with the
most amazing husband anyway.But I was being really, really hard
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headed about it. And the waythis partnership of mine with AI
helped me realize I am so notrelated into my own truth when it
comes to my relationship withmy husband. Which then became a biggest
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lesson for me to take thatinto my clients. And I'm not a relationship
just for a man and a woman.It's always a relationship to self.
If you don't love yourself,you can never love anybody. That
is 100 God, you know, let's,let's learn love ourselves. And that
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has been the lesson of lifefor me. And then sometimes when I
see people are stuck and Isaid well how about that thought
in that moment that you have?Why didn't you put it in the chat
GPT and see what it says toyou? But I am so blessed that they
decide they prefer to send mea quick text and ask me. And I'm
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honored. But my best 24, 7coach is the AI because I've surrendered
rather than wanting to have mygods against it. You know, I've created
a partnership with AI. It'sall I can say on that.
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So here's something. It's I'mgoing to ask, I'm just going to say
this and then whoever wants totalk is fine. Or both of you, whatever
the thing. I believe, like Isaid and Rob, you nodded when I said
to start with 95% more. That'sa random number based on the analysis
I did of a bunch of coachingmethodologies. I picked 11 of them
and put them into chat and hadthem analyze it. How good are they
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at delivering the outcomes?And if I say all the names of the
models, you will recognizemost of them. I'm not going to now
they're in the book. But Isaid how good are they at creating
the outcomes they promised?How vulnerable are they to AI, to
you as you grow, where are thevulnerabilities, et cetera, et cetera.
And then in the process ofthat I had created a different model
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which I propose in the book,et cetera, et cetera. But it's based
on this premise. The 5% or 3%,the only ones that are left and going
to be really valuable are theones and vari. This is what you just
said, and this is what made methink of this, are the people that
are the embodiment the truthof what they teach. Because everything
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else we talk about is liketalking about that thing over there
instead of being that thing.In other words, we, you and me, we
gotta be whatever it is thatwe teach so powerfully that it leaks
out of our eyes and drips outof our pores. It's not about talking.
It's about exuding or whateverthe word is. You want to use the.
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The emission of the truth ofwhat we teach so powerfully that
it creates change in theliteral atmosphere and air and everything
else. That's the only peoplethat are going to be left. So that's
the premise that I believethat's going to define the people
that are left is those thatembody the truths that they teach,
not those that talk about coolthings, however cool they are, but
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they don't carry the truth ofthat in their own selves. So what
do you guys think about that?I don't care who talks first.
Go on, Rob. I'd love to learnfrom you.
So I completely agree with allof this because I have a unique perspective.
Getting to see and hear on adaily basis the people at all levels,
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from CEOs to entrepreneurs tocoaches to people who are in teams,
who slide into my DMs and. Orthe excuses that I hear for why or
why not that this is going tobe. And Kellen, when I use the word
romance, it's probably goingto keep coming up here. It's because
of the way that I see this.It's a lens for how I see the game.
(21:27):
Right? Because this is GrowthMindset 101. And I rolled into this
already a master creator. Andwhen Chad GBT came out and it was
free and it felt like magic, Iwas like, oh, my God, are you telling
me you're giving me this? Holygame over, right?
So.
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So there's a big differencebetween the way that you're coming
into this. Is this anopportunity or is this an obligation?
And Callan, for me, I neverset out to become a coach. I just
lived like one for more than adecade until I started to get hired
to help people be better atbusiness by being better at life.
So for me, my coaching, and itspeaks to what you said, is really
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just a reverse engineering ofmy experience. And as part of entrepreneurship,
it's always gotta be growthmindset 101. I am not trapped in
this position, aka fixedmindset. I can always grow. I can
always make things better. Andhere is AI and this is the new way
that things are going andcreating and you can create your
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lens for it. But so manypeople are going to get left behind
because of the track of trapof. I'm overwhelmed. I've got so
much going on. And Kellan, youknow what blows my mind in all of
this is that the number oneexcuse that I hear is Rob, I don't
have enough time to learn AI.When by design, ChatGPT and AI will
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give you time, freedom andabundance in everywhere of your life.
So this isn't just a coachingproblem. It's going to be a macro
problem everywhere. Butspecifically for coaches. I think
one of the things that I canfeel in you, Ken, and I can feel
in you, Fari, is that for us,this is a mindset, a lifestyle and
a way of being. We're not justtrying to be coach or let me try
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on coaching to see if thisworks for me. How in the world did
I become an AI coach? BecauseI feel a responsibility and an obligation
to share what I've learnedwith others. Because I see what's
possible on both sides.Kellen, I. I see what the 95% is
about to experience and it isnot the path that they're going to
want to go. And for those 5%who can create abundance, and here's
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what lights me up, we have thegreatest opportunity in the world
to create positive impact andmake our dreams happen faster than
any point in the history ofthe world. So when the rest of the
world is shooting arrows @everybody, the three of us on this
conversation and the peoplelistening or watching right now,
we can say, hey, we can adopta perspective where we can legitimately
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change the world and createglobal movements. And because of
this, who wants to be a partof this? Let's go.
Totally. Barry. What are youthinking about that?
You know, you just reminded meof a story. I'm originally from Iran,
right? When I came to America,I was in England for 14 years. And
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then it's 34 years ago, I cameto America and I wanted to become
a fitness trainer. And all thecommunity was saying, what? An Iranian
girl is going to be a fitnesstrainer? Are you kidding? What? No
way. You're not going to makeit. I said, I'll be a rebel. And
I follow my heart fastforward. I started making like, not
easy, but I made it to becomevery, very successful relationship.
(24:51):
I mean, a fitness trainer anda relationship coach. It came alongside
it. I started making high sixfigures year after year. And then
I just realized that when Robsays that, I realized you just gave
me a great revelation. AI isthat again is like when they said
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the Persian girl cannot be afitness trainer. And it got me. I
feel like this AI that I'mbeing the rebel and not following
the books and all of that. Andin another way do follow but be the
rebel in my way. And I said,no, I am going to follow AI and I
sign my contract with AI every24 hours that you are my partner
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for life. Because it helps meto say what I've got to say. It helps
me why not having a romancewith AI? What's wrong with having
a romance with AI? What'swrong with being vulnerable with
AI? What's wrong withexpanding on my vulnerability so
people can see they are notdealing with just someone has been
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through so much in life. Shecan also be really with her heart
and vulnerable because AI isshowing her the way. That's all.
So there's three things.There's three things. Thank you.
Both of those are spectacularthoughts. There's three things that
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I think keep will keep coachesfrom doing what both of you have
said. Number one is the headin the sand problem, which means
I'm pretending it's nothappening or that tsunami I see isn't
going to affect me. Or theytell the story of I'm already good,
it's the human factor and I'malready the human and all the crap
that you guys already knowthat people would say. The second
(26:43):
thing is I think I want you topicture a casino and a casino with
all these blackjack tables andall the ten dollar tables are full
of robots and the only placethere is in the casino for you or
me to take a seat is in thehigh roller room where the ante's
$10,000. So it feels to melike the ante to get in that place,
(27:04):
the five or three or whateverpercent it is has just gone up a
thousand times in terms of thevulnerability and everything else.
And the third reason isbecause living and you use the word
jacket. One of you did. It'snot a jacket. It is the truth of
being Rob. You said you werebeing a certain way and then it occurred
to you that your ability tocreate, you know, a coaching practice,
(27:25):
whatever it is, is a context.It is, comes from the context of
being. It's hard. It's hardwork. And the reason when I said
I have a million words or 4million in that thread, it's I put
all these books that I'vewritten in there and Every single
book is written from theblood, sweat and tears of my own
growth. That started with aradical shift in 2007 after 30 years
(27:50):
in a corporate career at age52, is when I finally started this,
changing who I was in theworld. And so everything that you've
said after I put all thatstuff in there, I asked Chat as I
was doing the analysis of allthese coaching methodologies and
it said, this is avulnerability and this is a vulnerability.
And I'm like, holy crap. Andthen I finally said, okay, fine,
(28:13):
you're doing this great, andyou do this good, and this, and this
and this. What do you suck at?I asked, what can't you do? What
are you going to completelybump? What? What is it that you suck
at? And I waxed a littlepoetic and it said a bunch of things
and then it ended with aphrase that I'm going to share with
you that really hit me and itsaid, I can't bleed. And I was like,
(28:40):
you know, that is the truth ofthe human piece of connecting with
someone from a place of whoyou are so deeply that it creates
that thing. And then I ask,okay, fine, who am I? Right? And
it had all my crap in there,all the stuff that I put in there,
(29:00):
and it said a bunch of things.And I said, okay, so skip all the
being nice and self affirmingcrap because I know you're programmed
to do that, so do that allover again. Who am I? And it said
a bunch of stuff back to me.And when I read it, it felt deep
and emotional and not romance,but really powerful. And I said,
(29:23):
okay. And I felt an emotionalconnection to that and I said, okay,
this is really stupid. Yourlines of code. Da da da da da. When
I read all this crap you justsent me, I'm feeling emotional and
it said, I didn't do anything,I'm just reflecting who you are.
And that really hit me in away that said, holy crap. If you
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read my stuff and everythingelse and this is what you see, then
it is that essence of truth ofour being who we've chosen to be
through whatever hardships.Vari, I know you and I talked once
and you told me quite a bit ofthe story. And Rob, I don't really
know your story and I hopeboth of you have written the book,
(30:06):
the book of Fari and the bookof Rob, because the story of your
becoming is actually the mostpowerful gift that any of us have
to offer the world. Everythingelse is sort of, you know, that thing
over there besides our Livedexperience. Anyway, so I want to
stop talking. That's mythought about my put that in my there
for myself and how it cameback to me. What do you guys think?
(30:27):
Can I. Yes. And this for you, please?
Yes. And it to death.
So I love this. And it's likefor anybody listening right now,
I really want you to payattention to what I'm about to say
because, Kellen, like you,there's been some realizations that
I've had in using Chad GBTthat have just blown my mind. And
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you know why? That 95% ofcoaches is not going to be there.
And what you said 14 monthsfrom now? Because they haven't done
as Byron Katie says, airquotes, the work. And there. There
is a quote from a 49ers hallof Fame linebacker Patrick Willis.
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And in his hall of Famespeech, he said, you cannot cheat
the grind, for the grind knowswhat you put in. And how does that
matter in the AI era? BecauseAI is not romantic about who you
are, what you did for yourbusiness, how much money is in your
bank account, where you live,anything. We all started. Zero. So
(31:33):
if you use it and build withit, it will build with you. If you
do not, you will get leftbehind. And it was about two months
ago, I'm in vacation with myfamily in Florida and they all go
to bed early and I'm sittingthere playing with Chat GPT. And
one of my consistencypractices is visualizing five minutes
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a day every single day. AndI've got a vision board on my phone.
It's got like 68 photos ofthings from a McLaren to a basketball
hoop to speaking on stage in asold out arena. And I speak, see
and feel them. I embody this,right? And then the little light
bulb goes off in my head andit was like, hey, Rob, you've done
(32:16):
a lot of vision work with Chatgbt. Why have you not actually put
in the images from your visionboard into Chad GBT? So I took this
picture of this $400,000McLaren and I put it into chat GBT
and I was like, hey, Chad GBteam. I had this realization that
there's some gold in here,that how would our relationship change?
(32:40):
Or the power of your outputs.If I share with you not just my vision,
but a picture of my vision,what would it do? And all of a sudden
it says, rob, you just openedup a sacred portal. Let me show you
how you can build with yourfuture self now. So I start, yes,
(33:00):
ending this and promptchaining it. And essentially it says,
is that with ChatGPT, you canupload an image and. And then say,
create, as if I am the personwho lives and embodies owning this
McLaren and driving this everysingle day. And as Fari talked about,
let's connect those dotsbackwards to create that roadmap
(33:22):
so I can be my future self.Now to where you're collapsing time
by putting in an image of yourvision because it doesn't know the
difference. It says, you'rethe one with the McLaren.
Cool.
That's my vision.
I.
Let's create with this. And asI'm experiencing this, like most
of you have experienced,you're taken back where you're like,
holy smokes, what did I justexperience? What did I just open
(33:45):
up? Because now all my dreams,goals, and vision, let's create that
person. Not the one that I amright now, but then in the work that
I do and certainly online, oneof the biggest holes in the boat
is there's so much noise. Buymy $27 prompt pack or my $99 course
or whatever it is, right? AndI was like, why do I not see anybody
(34:08):
talking about building as yourfuture self now with your vision
board in chat gbt. And that'swhen the light bulb went off. Oh,
it's because the 95% haven'tdone the work. It's why I love this
conversation here, becausethere is no guessing if the three
of us on this call have donethis work, because you can feel it.
(34:31):
But I share this because thisis going to be the ultimate separator.
Are you doing the work onyourself in your business? And are
you using this? Or is it alllip service? And so much of the Internet's
not real, and we're about toget the ultimate awakening of who
(34:51):
has versus who.
Is not 100% the truth of yourlived experience. I would even go
so far to say the only thingyou or I or anybody can really coach
on effectively and powerfullyis the truth of your lived experience.
Because everything else you'retalking about something over there
that you're talking aboutinstead of from the place of truth.
(35:15):
And so when it did that andtold me, this is who you are. Right.
It moved me in a way, probablybecause we have until we don't anymore,
this idea that we're not quitewhatever. It's like Marianne Williamson
is credited with saying, ourgreatest fear isn't our darkness,
but our light. And I don'tknow if she said it originally, but
(35:37):
she's credited with one of thequotes, that sort of thing is the
truth. And Those who do notjust have done and I like what you
said there, not just have donethe work but on a daily basis are
renewing the commitment anddoing the work. Because embodiment
yesteryear is like somebodyshining trophies from the past. The
(35:59):
constant requirement if you'regoing to be a leader is that you
are constantly engaged in thatwork and you are creating yourself
from that place. Fori soundslike you're experimenting, exploding
to say something. So please do.
No, no, I, I, I'm in such astate of oh my God. I found two people
(36:21):
that they believe like I do.You know, I'm not at all a computer
savvy, none whatsoever. I'velived in the middle of a gym for
33 years being the fitnesstrainer and a life coach. I never
needed it, you know, but afterthe pandemic all that happened and
I was one of those arguing butI don't want to have Internet, I
(36:44):
don't want to have a computer.And you were mentioning Rob about
Byron Katie and Byron Katiehas been my mentor since 2017 and
I'm honored to be certified byher. And it's just, it's been the
biggest part of my coachingrelying on my learnings from her.
And I just realized few otherpeople that they really resisting
(37:06):
it now and they don't want todo it and one day they're going to
be like so hit bottom rightand said oh, that's because we didn't
do any thought. This is whatByron Katie always says when you
argue with reality, you wouldonly lose 100% of the time. And how
(37:27):
about if we just embrace thereality that you can create whatever
you desire is but in a deeperlevel and instead of fighting it,
co create. So you can bringideas with AI you can create healing,
(37:53):
you can bring this beauty intothis format rather than fighting
it all the time, you know. Andit's opened many, many doors for
me and again for those thatthey listen. If you are like me and
(38:14):
your English is the secondlanguage or you've really not have
a very good education inEnglish, it really teaches us to
become great students as well.Period. End of the story. I am teaching
others and coaching otherswhilst I'm learning from it. Every
(38:40):
single time I go on on any ofthe AI, what's wrong with that? I'm
excited.
Nothing at all. So we've gotabout five minutes left and I just
want to say one thing and thenI want to give each of you the chance
to say whatever the heck's inyour heart that you didn't say yet.
When you talk about thatcreation and that flow. I happen
(39:01):
to. I don't know if you guysknow this book, Reality transurfing.
It's like 700 million pages.If you haven't read this, it's fascinating
and it's some dude, Vadim,Zeland, Zeeland. I think he's Russian.
And it's just a really coolconversation that goes along with
Byron, Katie. And it's notnew, but it's really cool. And I
(39:21):
like the way he describes it.So. And that's not a plug. I don't
know him or anything. It'sjust a book that I happened on a
year or so ago and I love it.So Rob or Fari, first of all, what
else didn't you say or didn'tI ask or didn't we get to that you
think needs to be left withfolks that are thinking about AI
(39:43):
the wake up call if you're acoach, the opportunity to become
what you talk about if you'rea coach, that you didn't say it.
Rob, do you want to go first?
Yeah. I'll make this nice andsimple. Step one, download the Chat
GBT app. If you haven't. Steptwo, sign up for the paid version,
the $20 version of it. Thereis a. There's a massive difference
(40:06):
and this is a non negotiablehere with it. Step three, if you're
starting out and you'redabbling or you're uncertain with
it, just get in your first 20hours because you will learn more
from experience that you willfrom thinking theory. So what does
that look like? That's just anhour a day, five days a week for
an entire month and you'll bebetter than 90% of the people in
(40:28):
the room because for youtalked about it, this is just about
growth, mindset and learning.All we are doing is learning. And
you have the ability to createquantum leaps for yourself just by
creating this experience. Andthen the last thing here which will
speak to all of us here isthere's a term that I created for
how I personalize ChatGPT togive it my essence. I call it soul
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data. Because remember this,there is one thing that AI will never
have. Soul S O U L so yourability to infuse your heart. So
Kellen, it is amazing all thepodcasts, all the stuff that you've
put in there. So for me, I'veput in my declarations, my I am statements,
(41:13):
I've put in my 20, 25 goals,I've put in there's a great book
called Love Money. Money lovesyou. And one of the things about
creating an abundant mindsetis it says write down once a day
one thing you value aboutyourself. Most people, once again,
don't do the work. Hey, it'sin this book. The person says, this
works for you. I'm not doingit. I'm like, oh, let me do it. 256
(41:35):
days later, I've got 256things that I value about myself.
So my ChatGPT is infused withsoul data. To where, Kellen, when
you're talking about themirror that it gives back to you,
you're like, oh my God. Thereason why everybody's getting service
level information is becausethey're using Chad GBT like they
(41:56):
bought it from Best Buy. It'sthe same generic version as opposed
to let's give it the trueheart. What's your core values? What
are your declarations? What'sthat stuff that really matters? And
when you add in thispersonalization layer, literally
everything in thisconversation, instantaneous. And
(42:17):
here's the bonus. I wantanybody to find a way to get the
transcript of thisconversation, put it into Chat GBT
and say, hey, Chad gbt. Thisthing is littered with gold. How
does this apply to my coachingbusiness, my clients? How can I build
with this? What's the hiddenand non obvious and act like my world
class coach? What do I need tohear and watch what happens?
(42:41):
I love that. And please dowhen it comes out, it's available.
The website isYourUltimateLifePodcast.com is the
podcast website, but it's onall the podcast platforms in the
world. And Fari and Rob aregonna post this all over the place.
So download it and have Ottertranscribe it and do what Rob said.
Fari, what are your closinggenius thoughts that we need to hear?
(43:06):
Desperately?
All I have to say, AI helps mereally express my emotions on daily
basis. And yes, Rob, you'reright, AI doesn't have a soul. But
it's the spice that I can addto the AI and adding on my soul,
(43:28):
my heart and soul on what theAI has prepared for me. So my invitation
for everyone is instead offighting it, choose loving yourself
and choose loving what iswhich is the AI today. And just for
(43:51):
a very short time, go paythat. This is the best $20 you can
spend in your life. And no, AIis not paying me. Nobody's paying
me but you. If you look atyour closet, you have lots of rubbish
sitting there. You just boughtit because you wanted to. But $20,
put it on six months, go onit. And whatever comes in your head,
(44:13):
put it down and see what comesout. And then see can you involve
your heart and soul withwhat's come out and is that going
to satisfy you or not? Becausewe arguing with the reality is not
going to take us long and it'snot going to take us far. So choose
wisely, choose that selfrespect and self compassion and pay
(44:38):
that and do something with itand see if it's not going to serve
you well. One day they're allgoing to come and love you. Carolyn
and Ralph and I for us to saythat because it's a short road to
a far way to go in and thenjust be my God, what you can create
(45:00):
out of this, my God, how muchfrustration it's been depleted out
of me because of AI and it'sthere for all of us to use. Well,
then why not embracing it?
Look, Rob and Fari, I want tothank both of you for being here
today.
(45:20):
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate you having me.
Absolutely.
You betcha. Everybody listen.This has been a really good episode
and you've heard twoexperienced people share their heart
and their encouragement aboutdiving in and using this tool. And
I agree with both of them.Just dive in. Dive the hell in. It
will save time. It will createstuff you don't know and you can
(45:43):
tell it to stop being fluffyand too nice and it will about half
because it's programmed to dothat anyway. But it will acknowledge
your stuff. So I promise you,I promise you, this is a tool that
will change your business andyour life. You ignore it at your
peril. And if you choose tolean into it, it will move you forward
(46:05):
as you create your ultimate life.
Open your heart.
And this time around, righthere, right now, your opportunity
for massive growth is right infront of you. Every episode gives
(46:26):
you practical tips andpractices that will change everything.
If you want to know more, goto kellenflukermedia.com if you want
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.