June 3, 2025 • 30 mins
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In this episode, Kemi welcomes Dr. Adesuwa Akhetuamhen, an emergency medicine physician and faculty member at Emory University. Dr. Akhetuamhen’s research focuses on preventative medicine for emergency department patients at risk for neuro-cardiovascular disease. She has substantial experience in clinical medicine, with specialized training and expertise in addressing racial health disparities, conducting medical education research, and neuro-cardiovascular disease prevention in emergency care settings.
Tune in as they discuss Adesuwa's experience with the Get That Grant® program, she reflects on the importance of community, mentorship, and the actionable strategies that have propelled her career forward. Adesuwa's candid insights reveal how she navigated the challenges of motherhood while achieving significant milestones, including securing her first grant shortly after completing the program.
Conversation Highlights:
- The importance of community in academia
- Navigating motherhood and career milestones
- Overcoming challenges and celebrating wins
- The power of passion in research
If Adesuwa’s story resonated with you - and you’re looking for structured support, community, and strategy in your own academic journey - now’s the time to take the next step.
Applications are now open for the July 2025 cohort of Get That Grant®.
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P.S. New this round: We’re piloting direct institutional payments - and this is the last time GTG® will be offered at its current price.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
The biggest takeaway and the shift in my perspective
is the idea of not operatingfrom a scarcity mindset, which
is so important in theenvironment we're in.
Knowing that as long as Icontinue the work, as long as
I'm passionate about what I wantto do, funding sources will
come, opportunities will come,and this will be successful.
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I didn't get here 13 years laterjust because.
Thank you.
13 years from now, I know I willcontinue to make progress.
UNKNOWN (00:30):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (00:31):
Hello, hello.
You are listening to yourunapologetic career.
Being a woman of color facultyin academic medicine who wants
to make a real difference withyour career can be tough.
Listen, these systems are notbuilt for us, but that doesn't
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mean we can't make them work forus.
In each episode, I'll be takinga deep dive into one core growth
strategy so you can gainconfidence and effectiveness
Thank you so much.
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Hello?
Welcome back to the show, y'all.
I'm really excited for our guesttoday.
First of all, we share a speciallink, which I'll tell you about
in a second.
And second of all, she's just anincredible person, has an
incredible career, and has justa beautiful energy that I think
you all will enjoy spending timewith her today on the podcast.
So without further ado, I wouldlove our guest to introduce
herself, please.
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Yes.
Well, thank you so much for thekind introduction.
Everyone, my name is AdesuaAkotowaman.
Friends call me Ade.
I was born and raised inLouisville, Kentucky, but I'm
Nigerian.
So my parents came to Kentuckyseparately, by the way.
Oh, interesting.
Decided to stay.
I know, I know.
Nigerians were everywhere.
Oh, for sure.
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They came to Kentucky, met at mysister's and I, and here we are.
And here we are.
Yes.
And so I did my undergrad at theUniversity of Kentucky.
Okay.
And then I did medical school atYale.
And then from there, I completedmy emergency medicine in
residency at Northwestern inChicago.
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Girl! And then...
Our paths are so similar.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I did my residency atNorthwestern.
You did?
Yes, I did my OBGYN residency atNorthwestern.
So first of all, back up.
First of all, we have the samename.
I mean, my born name, I go byKemi, but my born name is
Adefala Kemi.
So we both had the Ade going on.
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So that's first of all.
Second of all, my parents alsocame over here, although
together, but I also grew up inthe South-ish.
I don't know if you considerKentucky the South.
but I do.
It's the South.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
Grew up in the South.
Went to college in the South,North Carolina, then went to the
Northeast for medical school,New York, went to Columbia.
I know.
Look at this.
And then went to residency inChicago.
Girl.
Oh my gosh.
And you know what?
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I did my residency fellowship atUCSF.
So now you're on the coast now.
That's so good.
Okay.
Anyway, so emergency medicine.
We love it.
Okay.
And where are you now?
So I first heard about Get ThatGrant actually when I was doing
my research fellowship.
So I talked to Eugenia South,who did the Sim a similar
research fellowship, like theNCSB program.
And her first advice was, listento this podcast.
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And so it feels like a fullcircle moment actually being
here.
And I tried to join, get thatgrant as a fellow.
I
SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
don't know if you remember.
You were
SPEAKER_01 (03:52):
like, no, don't do it.
Wait till your faculty.
I said, no, you gonna have towait.
I waited.
So to answer your question, I'mnow faculty at Emory.
That's in ATL, which is where Igrew up.
That is so wild.
So many connections.
I know.
all great.
Oh, wow.
So I feel like Emory is on thecome up too.
Like, I don't know when I wasgrowing up, Emory was, I mean,
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segregation, whatever, but like,it was like, it won the place
for black people.
But now I feel like there are somany amazing young black
physicians at Emory.
I'm like, yes, let's do it.
Actually in my cohort, we hadanother Emory physician.
Yes.
Yes.
So I love it.
We're all there.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you hinted at this.
So you found out about GTGduring your fellowship and you
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were like, Hey, can I come in?
And I was like, no.
And I just, I think one thing istrue.
Like we're very policy orientedis probably the wrong way to say
it, but like we have ourpolicies and we do stick to
them.
Like we do have parameters for areason, I think.
And I love when people are like,hey, but what about this?
And I'm like, y'all, no.
But I'm curious as now thatyou've gone through, now that
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you've been through DTD, do youunderstand why?
Yes.
Thank you.
Okay.
Why we're like, no, like it doesnot work as a fellow.
It doesn't.
Okay.
I'm glad.
And you said no in a nice way,but I'm glad that I joined at
the time that I did.
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
And
SPEAKER_01 (05:13):
I think it really did help me to kind of get what
I needed to get done for mywork.
So I'm happy to talk more aboutthat.
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Yes.
It's the majority of theprogram.
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is towards action and results.
This is not a program where weall just come and we keep
talking and then we talk aboutour perspectives and we talk
about our goals and then we setour values and now we have
clarity.
No, like this is an actionoriented program.
So like you can't take action asa faculty if you're not a
faculty, boo.
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
It's true.
It's true.
SPEAKER_01 (06:24):
So we talked a lot about your training background,
but I'm curious if you justcould tell us a little bit about
the research that you do.
Sure.
So overall, my goal is to usethe emergency department to
prevent the next emergency.
So
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
you
SPEAKER_01 (06:38):
can imagine as emergency medicine doctor,
SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
I'll
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
every day see patients with heart attacks,
with strokes, with now needingdialysis because they have
kidney disease and kidneyfailure.
But then I also see folks whocome in with uncontrolled
hypertension and with diabetesand who are smoking.
And while I have amazingtraining, world-class training
and managing those acuteemergencies, we actually don't
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get great training.
on how to deal with thosechronic conditions that cause
those emergencies in the firstplace.
And so I'm interested in tryingto figure out how we can better
identify, manage, and help thatperson then transition to the
next stage of care when someonewith a chronic issue comes to
our emergency departmentmotivated, ready, trying to seek
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care.
Yeah.
Oh, that's a good point.
It's a window.
They're here.
They're ready to be helped.
It's an opportunity to shiftsomeone's path.
I personally feel I'm so sorry,Ade.
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make a difference and ensurethat this doesn't happen to my
future patients.
And this feels great to finallysay 13 years later that I can be
in a position to make adifference.
And part of your program hashelped me to achieve that goal.
Thank you.
First of all, may he rest inpeace.
Amen.
Thank you.
I'm so moved by, by that storyand your motivation.
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I'm going to get emotional.
I'm sorry.
It's heavy, but it's not heavy.
It's deep.
It truly, I don't feel heavy.
I feel moved.
SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
Hmm.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
you know, in a way.
And I'm, I'm thinking about how,yeah, you said 13 years and
like, here you are, like howbrilliant the people that I meet
through this program are becauseyou all are people who will say,
Hey, I'm going to go do thatthing.
SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
And
SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
13 years later, you're doing it.
Everybody says, Oh, I want to dothis.
I want to do that.
It would be great if dah, dah,dah, dah, dah.
But like, I love the GTG crew.
I love the people who come to usfor coaching.
I love the people who getthrough our application process.
Cause they're all that kind ofperson that like, no, no, I said
I was going to do this.
I'm going to do it.
Now, what I don't want you to dois to be suffering.
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You know what I mean?
And I, yeah, exactly.
I want you to be well, but likethat part of it, that like, I'm
going to do it like that.
We don't give you that y'allcome with that.
And so I'm just having a momentof gratitude, you know, cause
I'm so inspired by that energytoo.
I love that energy.
So you came and you did, you gotthrough GTG, you completed the
program.
And I'd love to talk to you alittle bit about like, Your
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timeline, like how long has itbeen since you got through G2G
and then where are you now?
And maybe you can talk a littlebit about like some life events
that happened in there.
Sure.
Absolutely.
So I started Get That Grant inJanuary of 2024.
Yep.
So about like four months afterI started my faculty position,
like I was ready to go.
And so I finished the program inJuly and then I submitted my
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first grant soon after inOctober.
Had to do a little interviewcomponent to it And then in
January, I found out that I gotthat grant.
She got that grant, y'all! Andso that was kind of my
grant-getting journey.
But then in terms of a personalaim to it, I also had a baby.
Yes.
And when did you have your baby?
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I had my baby in November.
So I finished the grant in July.
I finished TTT in July,submitted my grant in October,
and had my baby next month.
I mean, y'all, that's what we'retalking about.
Amazing.
So it was a great experience.
And I think it really havingthis kind of organized process
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and a community of people tosupport me, I think really
helped make that journey justenjoyable.
Yes.
I love it.
That's exactly right.
It's like you did the journey,but you said it made it
enjoyable, right?
Like somebody else could tellthat same story and give you the
timestamps so that you couldunderstand how terrible I
started my job.
And then four months later I wasdoing this and then I was
working on the thing.
And then I submitted the grantthat I had to It's like stress,
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but you're just like grinning.
And I think that is thedifference.
It's like, nobody's going tochange your ambition and get
that grant.
Nobody's going to, we're not, wedon't do that.
It's about how do we do this?
And like, have you genuinelyenjoy the process?
There's going to be ups anddowns, but like literally you
are doing what you came here todo.
And how do we have your careeroriented so that you get to lead
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with that feeling?
So that's like top of mind atall times.
So considering that you aresuccessful right away, which is
like some people, I mean, a lotof grant getting, I tell people,
grant getting is like along-term strategy.
There are a lot of people, youcome through, get that grant,
the R01 comes in a year later,right?
Because like just the wholeprocess of it, you had kind of
an immediate win, which we alsolove.
And then you decided to comeback and continue with us with
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Fully Funded, our program forGTG alumni.
So I'm curious if you could talka little bit about the decision.
Why do you decide to come backthrough Fully Funded?
And then how has that impactedyour career ongoing being in
Fully Funded with us, with yourFully Funded self?
Yeah.
happen to talk more about that.
So it's interesting because likewe talked about with the
timeline, finished the programin July, I submitted my grant
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and I had my baby.
So I did not initially plan tosign up fully funded.
I'll be honest.
You know, I went through theprogram, I did the modules.
I thought I got what I needed.
Yes.
And then the election happened.
Oh girl.
And then as I was thinking abouttransitioning back into work
from being away from maternityleave in this environment with
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so much uncertainty, I realizedI do not want to do this alone
yeah I'm not people I need mycommunity yes and so I signed up
and I just felt this sense ofpeace I knew it was the right
decision yeah
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
as
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
soon as I signed up I felt the sense of peace and
I'm so so happy that I made thatdecision because I really feel
like the community is just sopowerful we help each other with
our grants yes and outside ofthat like just general life
things being a new mom dealingwith personal issues it really
really, really has had apositive impact on my career.
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So I'm glad, I'm glad I signedup.
Me too.
You're right.
It's like, I don't want to dothis alone.
Just that alone is like, yeah,why?
Yeah, we're not going to do thatanymore.
It's not worth it.
So can you share with us apowerful moment that you've
experienced during Fully Funded,maybe post-election, like what?
Yeah, of course.
So I knew I was going to go doFully Funded for the community,
right?
We have our coaching calls andwe have like a text group where
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we kind of connect with eachother.
But I would say my powerfulmoment is also a humbling moment
because another component ofFully Funded is going back
through the modules that we didand get that grant.
And I'll be honest, Kemi, Iwasn't trying to redo those
modules.
I was like, I did them.
I feel like I've gotten what Ineed for them.
I'm signing up for thecommunity.
But then, I don't know if youremember, but I signed up to
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join you in one of your officehours.
Yeah, the office hour calls foreverybody.
And I had brought to you anissue about me feeling really
overwhelmed about this upcominggrant because my grant starts in
july and i in my mind i was likei had all these things i gotta
do and i was just really reallyoverwhelmed yeah and after
talking to you you asked me somereally specific questions and
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after talking to you i realizedthat i want you really only had
like two things to do i doremember this and i had to sign
up for some classes which i wasable to get done like it was not
a lot and so you helped me tounderstand that the reason why i
was feeling overwhelmed was notjust because of the work but
it's because I was the first inmy department to have this
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opportunity and it was reallypowerful because I actually went
back through some of thoseearlier modules where we like
you taught us how to ask likethose questions yes really make
sure that when we're in thesesituations we're feeling
overwhelmed we don't focus somuch on our feelings but more so
on the facts and like what is itthat I need to do to move
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forward and it's just a reminderthat all right let me actually
sit down and go back throughthese modules Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
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that's my powerful moment and ithink i'm lucky that i've i've
appreciated that even though icame to fully funded for the
community honestly that chanceto go through the modules again
and hindsight is important andyes as well i love that i just
people call the modules a giftthat keeps on giving and i just
i feel very proud of them on andi am not humble about i'm so
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proud of them because there wasso much intentionality in
creating something that felt souseful right and that felt so
real and that you really cancome back over and over again
and get something new out of it.
You can also recognize yourgrowth.
You can be like, oh man, look atwhere I started and where I am
now.
And the way I think about ittoo, is like, these are the
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foundational concrete conceptsin order to build the career
that you want and then lead itwell.
That is literally what, and leadyourself through it.
That's how I think of it.
So it makes sense to me thatpeople are like, man, I can keep
going.
I'm back to this and mining it.
Cause I'm like, it's thefoundation.
It's delivered through the lensof like, okay, let's organize to
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get a grant.
But underneath is like, this ishow you lead your career.
This is how you go and play thegame.
And this is how you're going toget it done.
So yeah, that makes me reallyhappy.
And I love hearing about thetext group and the motivation
and the like making communityconnecting, having people.
I think you, this is kind ofwhat you're talking about, but
to me, it's that it's theauthentic community.
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It's like, it's not the groupchat where you just roll your
eyes right it's not the emaillistserv that you're on that
you're like oh that is justmostly noise and every once in a
while there's like maybesomething helpful the whole
point is that it's real and it'slike what these things are
supposed to be every time wesign up and we think that's what
we're getting so it just makesme really happy to hear that
after just to be clear after theprogram is ended like after that
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like you guys are in motivatingeach other and like referring to
the tools because then thatmeans to me it's a you know kind
of permanent intervention it'slike you come in you can't leave
the same You've got newcomrades, you've got new
connections and you've got newtools.
And it's just really lovely tohear.
And then when I think about it,I don't know, I feel so, I call
it a powerful moment, but ahumbling moment as well.
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Cause I feel so silly, likethinking back to why I tell my
learners all the time,
SPEAKER_00 (17:52):
you
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
haven't done enough intubations, whatever procedure
you haven't messed up.
Right.
I haven't had like issues whereyou're thinking, oh, I need my
technique now coming back me up.
Right.
And.
Similarly, when going throughthese modules, it's like, you
got to look at it again.
No, I did PGY1, I got to doPGY2, PGY3.
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It's like, you got to go throughit to get a different thing at
each time.
At each level.
A day, it's spiral learning.
It's like, you did get it at thechallenge that you had when your
challenge was, I want to getfunded.
So you got the lesson for whatyou needed it for then.
Then you got funded.
And then the lesson shows upagain and you're like, I'm
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overwhelmed And it's like, no,boo, you have the tools for
this, but you don't see itbecause the challenge looks
different.
SPEAKER_00 (18:42):
And
SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
that's what I have learned.
It's like, I emphasize this somuch in the curriculum, but I
say it to y'all all the time.
I promise you, like thechallenge you're feeling right
now is not about the particularsof the thing in front of you,
because we all think, well, it'sjust because I don't have a
grant.
And then you get a grant.
And then here I am overwhelmed.
It's just because I haven'tstarted.
Then you start, but it's alwayssomething else.
It's like, well, so you hearthis when people are like, well,
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I haven't gotten my R award yet,or I haven't done this.
this or if this, then that.
And I just like, you know, withrespect, I have talked to a lot
of people about these issues.
And I mean, I have talked tofull professors who are deans.
They sound just like you.
Like, I promise you, it's aboutthe underlying, as we were
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talking about, foundation of howyou're dealing with the sense of
overwhelm in the setting ofacademic medicine and public
health.
That's actually what it is.
And you can feel overwhelmedwhen you just start.
You can feel it in yourmid-career.
You can feel it when you're thehead big boss, but the bottom
line is the tools to figure outhow to get yourself out of it
are the same.
And so I just submit to you,like, I think you're using your
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tools because you didn't sit inoverwhelm and just be spiraling
alone.
You also didn't do a whole bunchof things to waste your time,
which is the other thing thatwe'll do, right?
We'll be like, I'm overwhelmed.
So it's so weird to me.
Then we'll just go do all thisother stuff that adds stuff.
People will go on an emailingspree.
I'm like, why did you do that?
No, you These people you willhave to respond to tomorrow
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because you decided to use youroverwhelm to respond to emails.
Like you just want to check someboxes.
Yeah, you want to check someboxes.
So you're not thinking well.
Yes, I did something.
I did something.
And you're like, okay, but allyou're doing is adding things to
your list right now.
You just, you're adding noise.
You're adding work.
You're adding energy.
I just want to give you propsbecause you didn't do that.
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Instead, you were like, whattools do I have?
Let me come to a coaching call.
Let me come to office hours andbe like, so I'm overwhelmed.
Like what's going on?
And then it's the questions,like you said, the exchange
that's like, okay, these areactually the facts.
This is where it is.
And it's recognizing, I thinkyou said something like your
feelings are less important orsomething.
I just want to say that Ireally, I think feelings are
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very important.
This is not a no feelings place,but I think what you're bringing
up is this idea that yourfeelings, you should feel them.
You should have them, but thenyou should ask yourself, where
is this coming from?
Yes.
Yes.
And then you have to go throughthis process of like, is it a
real thing that I'm wearing?
Like what, if I'm overwhelmedbecause I have too much to do,
what is the to-do?
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And that's what we went through.
And it's like, okay, there'sonly two items.
So there's something else that'soverwhelming.
It's not these two items, youknow?
And it's beautiful to do that inan environment that knows what
it's like to launch a grant.
It's beautiful.
Like, as opposed to having toexplain to somebody, oh, well,
this is what it means.
Like, you don't have to do anyof that explaining in a group
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that's all the same, all facultymembers, all getting grants, all
in academic medicine or publichealth.
Everybody knows, okay, so it'sthis kind of award.
You're going to do this.
That's all you got to do.
So yeah, I really, I appreciateyou sharing something more
humbling because I think it'sstill very empowering and helps
people to see like whatcommunity looks like in action,
not just like, you know, as anoun.
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So how do you think like, well,I guess you could probably
answer this question indifferent ways, but like how has
being in our coaching community,would you say influence your
perspectives around your career,around like what you're doing
and also like the achievementthat you've had?
Like, how would you answer thatquestion today?
I would say that the biggesttakeaway and the shift in my
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perspective is the idea of notoperating from a scarcity
mindset, which is so importantin the environment we're in.
Knowing that as long as Icontinue the work, as long as
I'm passionate about what I wantto do, funding sources will
come, opportunities will come,and this will be successful.
Like, I didn't get here 13 yearslater just because.
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Thank you.
years from now, I know I willcontinue to make progress.
And so I didn't mention earlier,but so this grant that I got, I
wasn't the only one who appliedfor it.
There was another, shout out toRegina, and she was pregnant
also.
We worked together in the sameprogram in this grant.
Both had our babies.
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And we both got to do it! Okay,so this is revolutionary.
Wait, slow down.
This is revolutionary.
Because I'm sorry, there is nonarrative like this in academic
medicine anywhere.
We're going to work together.
We're going to help each otherapplying for the same thing.
We're going to help each other.
We're going to motivate eachother.
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We're going to support eachother.
Why?
Because we don't believe inscarcity.
Who cares?
I don't care how many they'regiving out.
We can both get them and youboth got them.
I'm saying y'all, if you arehashtag receipts, listen, sign
up for this program.
Don't That is amazing.
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That is so amazing.
And it's so great.
Again, a full circle momentbecause I'm actually at a, at
one of our national conferencesfor emergency medicine and she's
here and we had a chance tofinally meet in person.
So this relationship that webuilt, it had all been virtual
and all began with TTG.
Yes.
And that's going to be your polyfor life though.
That's what's so beautiful.
(23:59):
Exactly.
So when people are like, Oh,like how do you find the right
collaborators?
I'm like, cause it starts withauthentic relationship.
Do you know the difference?
If y'all ever merge, what wouldit look like if y'all like,
let's join forces and knock thisout?
That is totally different.
And you don't have theconversations like, I don't know
why I'm a collaborator, won'tturn her stuff in on time.
It's like, y'all don't have anyrelationships under these
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superficial collaborations thatyou're throwing together to try
to get the money.
Okay, that's a separate rant.
I'm very proud of y'all.
And I'm so glad.
I want to send a picture fromthe meetup, by the way.
Okay, we will.
Is there anything else you'dlike to share or highlight about
your journey since post-programthat you think would be valuable
specifically for current membersto hear?
Because it wasn't that long agothat you were in the thick of
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it.
I want to say two things.
Okay.
For current members, don'tundervalue the importance of
community.
There's just something sopowerful about knowing...
There's a place you can go towhere you're safe, where people
get it, they understand you.
Yes.
They're not going to go run toyour chair a
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day.
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And...
It's just really nice to be ableto kind of take some of these
issues to this group, a safespace.
Yeah.
And also not just take theissues, but the wins.
The way we be hyping each otherup.
We celebrate.
It feels good to just celebrateand support.
It does feel so good.
It feels so good.
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And you can't do that in everyspace.
Absolutely not.
And in fact, you have tocelebrate your wins or your
career experience is so dull,
SPEAKER_00 (25:32):
you
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
know?
So it's like, we're going tocelebrate everything.
I feel like when I get off thesecalls, it's like, I just had a
conversation with my sisters,you know?
Cause when we talk, you know,we're not doing, we be hyping
each other up.
Yep.
And it's just, it's just really,really powerful.
So I want to say that to thecurrent people and get that
grant.
We're considering fully funded.
That community is just.
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Yeah.
The fully funded community.
Oh man.
It's fire.
I love it.
Well, thank you so much forspending time talking with, I'm
really excited.
Cause I saw you coming on theretreat.
Yeah.
spend more time together thisfall.
And yeah, is there anything elseyou wanted to say that we
haven't covered?
The only other thing that I wantto say for other folks out
there, focus on your passion anddon't be afraid to, in moments
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of tragedy, use that to help youpropel your work forward.
You know, I think, so this allstarted when I lost my father
and it's what has motivated meall this time.
And I remember you have spokenabout, and I hear now a lot of
questions from mentees in thisuncertain times, like how do I
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get funded?
You know, what am I supposed todo?
And I remember there was onething that really stuck with me
that you said is that the workthat gets funded is the work
that you are most passionateabout because that's the work
that you will complete.
When it's hard, when it'snights, when it's getting told
no's, the work that keeps you upat night that you really feel is
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your life's purpose, that's thework that's going to get funded.
Exactly.
Because that's what you willwork the hardest for.
That is the thing.
That's how you have to choose.
You can't choose based on whatyou think somebody else.
No, it's like, this is the workthat you need to want to do on
your bad days.
Yes.
That's the project you choose.
Yeah.
Oh, I just wanted to just say,you know, it took 13 years, but
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I'm here doing the work thatcame from that stem from
tragedy.
And I just want to encouragepeople who are maybe in a
similar situation to just keepfollowing your passion.
Don't give up.
Yes.
I want to thank you.
Don't, Do it alone.
No.
Find a community.
Yes.
Ah, Ade, thank you so much.
This has been so lovely in somany ways.
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You have wonderful, I said shehad good energy at the
beginning, y'all, and you seewhat I mean.
Thank you for sharing so openlywith us and for sharing your
story and just everything.
I also just, we didn't talkabout your work that much, but
that really moved me to thisbecause I feel like there's a
parallel with what you're doingand what I'm doing with this
program, which is like peoplecome in and you capture them for
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this moment.
moment of time.
And you're like, all right, Imight only have you for this
moment of time, but I want youto be changed when you go.
I want you to be changed in agood way.
I want to shift you enough, youknow?
I just got chills.
Yes.
That the path that you're on,we're shifting the slope of the
line.
We're shifting the path.
So there's a before and there'san after here.
And that's where that, I feelthe parallel.
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And I just feel so resonant withwhat your work you're doing.
So please keep doing it.
There's so many.
We'll talk at the retreat.
We got so many friends.
Okay.
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Okay.
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Bye.
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community.
The biggest takeaway and the shift in my perspective
is the idea of not operatingfrom a scarcity mindset, which
is so important in theenvironment we're in.
Knowing that as long as Icontinue the work, as long as
I'm passionate about what I wantto do, funding sources will
come, opportunities will come,and this will be successful.
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I didn't get here 13 years laterjust because.
Thank you.
13 years from now, I know I willcontinue to make progress.
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Thank you.
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Hello, hello.
You are listening to yourunapologetic career.
Being a woman of color facultyin academic medicine who wants
to make a real difference withyour career can be tough.
Listen, these systems are notbuilt for us, but that doesn't
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mean we can't make them work forus.
In each episode, I'll be takinga deep dive into one core growth
strategy so you can gainconfidence and effectiveness
Thank you so much.
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Hello?
Welcome back to the show, y'all.
I'm really excited for our guesttoday.
First of all, we share a speciallink, which I'll tell you about
in a second.
And second of all, she's just anincredible person, has an
incredible career, and has justa beautiful energy that I think
you all will enjoy spending timewith her today on the podcast.
So without further ado, I wouldlove our guest to introduce
herself, please.
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Yes.
Well, thank you so much for thekind introduction.
Everyone, my name is AdesuaAkotowaman.
Friends call me Ade.
I was born and raised inLouisville, Kentucky, but I'm
Nigerian.
So my parents came to Kentuckyseparately, by the way.
Oh, interesting.
Decided to stay.
I know, I know.
Nigerians were everywhere.
Oh, for sure.
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They came to Kentucky, met at mysister's and I, and here we are.
And here we are.
Yes.
And so I did my undergrad at theUniversity of Kentucky.
Okay.
And then I did medical school atYale.
And then from there, I completedmy emergency medicine in
residency at Northwestern inChicago.
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Girl! And then...
Our paths are so similar.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I did my residency atNorthwestern.
You did?
Yes, I did my OBGYN residency atNorthwestern.
So first of all, back up.
First of all, we have the samename.
I mean, my born name, I go byKemi, but my born name is
Adefala Kemi.
So we both had the Ade going on.
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So that's first of all.
Second of all, my parents alsocame over here, although
together, but I also grew up inthe South-ish.
I don't know if you considerKentucky the South.
but I do.
It's the South.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
Grew up in the South.
Went to college in the South,North Carolina, then went to the
Northeast for medical school,New York, went to Columbia.
I know.
Look at this.
And then went to residency inChicago.
Girl.
Oh my gosh.
And you know what?
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I did my residency fellowship atUCSF.
So now you're on the coast now.
That's so good.
Okay.
Anyway, so emergency medicine.
We love it.
Okay.
And where are you now?
So I first heard about Get ThatGrant actually when I was doing
my research fellowship.
So I talked to Eugenia South,who did the Sim a similar
research fellowship, like theNCSB program.
And her first advice was, listento this podcast.
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And so it feels like a fullcircle moment actually being
here.
And I tried to join, get thatgrant as a fellow.
I
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don't know if you remember.
You were
SPEAKER_01 (03:52):
like, no, don't do it.
Wait till your faculty.
I said, no, you gonna have towait.
I waited.
So to answer your question, I'mnow faculty at Emory.
That's in ATL, which is where Igrew up.
That is so wild.
So many connections.
I know.
all great.
Oh, wow.
So I feel like Emory is on thecome up too.
Like, I don't know when I wasgrowing up, Emory was, I mean,
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segregation, whatever, but like,it was like, it won the place
for black people.
But now I feel like there are somany amazing young black
physicians at Emory.
I'm like, yes, let's do it.
Actually in my cohort, we hadanother Emory physician.
Yes.
Yes.
So I love it.
We're all there.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you hinted at this.
So you found out about GTGduring your fellowship and you
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were like, Hey, can I come in?
And I was like, no.
And I just, I think one thing istrue.
Like we're very policy orientedis probably the wrong way to say
it, but like we have ourpolicies and we do stick to
them.
Like we do have parameters for areason, I think.
And I love when people are like,hey, but what about this?
And I'm like, y'all, no.
But I'm curious as now thatyou've gone through, now that
(04:55):
you've been through DTD, do youunderstand why?
Yes.
Thank you.
Okay.
Why we're like, no, like it doesnot work as a fellow.
It doesn't.
Okay.
I'm glad.
And you said no in a nice way,but I'm glad that I joined at
the time that I did.
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And
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I think it really did help me to kind of get what
I needed to get done for mywork.
So I'm happy to talk more aboutthat.
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Yes.
It's the majority of theprogram.
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is towards action and results.
This is not a program where weall just come and we keep
talking and then we talk aboutour perspectives and we talk
about our goals and then we setour values and now we have
clarity.
No, like this is an actionoriented program.
So like you can't take action asa faculty if you're not a
faculty, boo.
SPEAKER_00 (06:22):
It's true.
It's true.
SPEAKER_01 (06:24):
So we talked a lot about your training background,
but I'm curious if you justcould tell us a little bit about
the research that you do.
Sure.
So overall, my goal is to usethe emergency department to
prevent the next emergency.
So
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
you
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can imagine as emergency medicine doctor,
SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
I'll
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
every day see patients with heart attacks,
with strokes, with now needingdialysis because they have
kidney disease and kidneyfailure.
But then I also see folks whocome in with uncontrolled
hypertension and with diabetesand who are smoking.
And while I have amazingtraining, world-class training
and managing those acuteemergencies, we actually don't
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get great training.
on how to deal with thosechronic conditions that cause
those emergencies in the firstplace.
And so I'm interested in tryingto figure out how we can better
identify, manage, and help thatperson then transition to the
next stage of care when someonewith a chronic issue comes to
our emergency departmentmotivated, ready, trying to seek
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care.
Yeah.
Oh, that's a good point.
It's a window.
They're here.
They're ready to be helped.
It's an opportunity to shiftsomeone's path.
I personally feel I'm so sorry,Ade.
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make a difference and ensurethat this doesn't happen to my
future patients.
And this feels great to finallysay 13 years later that I can be
in a position to make adifference.
And part of your program hashelped me to achieve that goal.
Thank you.
First of all, may he rest inpeace.
Amen.
Thank you.
I'm so moved by, by that storyand your motivation.
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I'm going to get emotional.
I'm sorry.
It's heavy, but it's not heavy.
It's deep.
It truly, I don't feel heavy.
I feel moved.
SPEAKER_00 (08:36):
Hmm.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
you know, in a way.
And I'm, I'm thinking about how,yeah, you said 13 years and
like, here you are, like howbrilliant the people that I meet
through this program are becauseyou all are people who will say,
Hey, I'm going to go do thatthing.
SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
And
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13 years later, you're doing it.
Everybody says, Oh, I want to dothis.
I want to do that.
It would be great if dah, dah,dah, dah, dah.
But like, I love the GTG crew.
I love the people who come to usfor coaching.
I love the people who getthrough our application process.
Cause they're all that kind ofperson that like, no, no, I said
I was going to do this.
I'm going to do it.
Now, what I don't want you to dois to be suffering.
(09:15):
You know what I mean?
And I, yeah, exactly.
I want you to be well, but likethat part of it, that like, I'm
going to do it like that.
We don't give you that y'allcome with that.
And so I'm just having a momentof gratitude, you know, cause
I'm so inspired by that energytoo.
I love that energy.
So you came and you did, you gotthrough GTG, you completed the
program.
And I'd love to talk to you alittle bit about like, Your
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timeline, like how long has itbeen since you got through G2G
and then where are you now?
And maybe you can talk a littlebit about like some life events
that happened in there.
Sure.
Absolutely.
So I started Get That Grant inJanuary of 2024.
Yep.
So about like four months afterI started my faculty position,
like I was ready to go.
And so I finished the program inJuly and then I submitted my
(10:00):
first grant soon after inOctober.
Had to do a little interviewcomponent to it And then in
January, I found out that I gotthat grant.
She got that grant, y'all! Andso that was kind of my
grant-getting journey.
But then in terms of a personalaim to it, I also had a baby.
Yes.
And when did you have your baby?
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I had my baby in November.
So I finished the grant in July.
I finished TTT in July,submitted my grant in October,
and had my baby next month.
I mean, y'all, that's what we'retalking about.
Amazing.
So it was a great experience.
And I think it really havingthis kind of organized process
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and a community of people tosupport me, I think really
helped make that journey justenjoyable.
Yes.
I love it.
That's exactly right.
It's like you did the journey,but you said it made it
enjoyable, right?
Like somebody else could tellthat same story and give you the
timestamps so that you couldunderstand how terrible I
started my job.
And then four months later I wasdoing this and then I was
working on the thing.
And then I submitted the grantthat I had to It's like stress,
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but you're just like grinning.
And I think that is thedifference.
It's like, nobody's going tochange your ambition and get
that grant.
Nobody's going to, we're not, wedon't do that.
It's about how do we do this?
And like, have you genuinelyenjoy the process?
There's going to be ups anddowns, but like literally you
are doing what you came here todo.
And how do we have your careeroriented so that you get to lead
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with that feeling?
So that's like top of mind atall times.
So considering that you aresuccessful right away, which is
like some people, I mean, a lotof grant getting, I tell people,
grant getting is like along-term strategy.
There are a lot of people, youcome through, get that grant,
the R01 comes in a year later,right?
Because like just the wholeprocess of it, you had kind of
an immediate win, which we alsolove.
And then you decided to comeback and continue with us with
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Fully Funded, our program forGTG alumni.
So I'm curious if you could talka little bit about the decision.
Why do you decide to come backthrough Fully Funded?
And then how has that impactedyour career ongoing being in
Fully Funded with us, with yourFully Funded self?
Yeah.
happen to talk more about that.
So it's interesting because likewe talked about with the
timeline, finished the programin July, I submitted my grant
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and I had my baby.
So I did not initially plan tosign up fully funded.
I'll be honest.
You know, I went through theprogram, I did the modules.
I thought I got what I needed.
Yes.
And then the election happened.
Oh girl.
And then as I was thinking abouttransitioning back into work
from being away from maternityleave in this environment with
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so much uncertainty, I realizedI do not want to do this alone
yeah I'm not people I need mycommunity yes and so I signed up
and I just felt this sense ofpeace I knew it was the right
decision yeah
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
as
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
soon as I signed up I felt the sense of peace and
I'm so so happy that I made thatdecision because I really feel
like the community is just sopowerful we help each other with
our grants yes and outside ofthat like just general life
things being a new mom dealingwith personal issues it really
really, really has had apositive impact on my career.
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So I'm glad, I'm glad I signedup.
Me too.
You're right.
It's like, I don't want to dothis alone.
Just that alone is like, yeah,why?
Yeah, we're not going to do thatanymore.
It's not worth it.
So can you share with us apowerful moment that you've
experienced during Fully Funded,maybe post-election, like what?
Yeah, of course.
So I knew I was going to go doFully Funded for the community,
right?
We have our coaching calls andwe have like a text group where
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we kind of connect with eachother.
But I would say my powerfulmoment is also a humbling moment
because another component ofFully Funded is going back
through the modules that we didand get that grant.
And I'll be honest, Kemi, Iwasn't trying to redo those
modules.
I was like, I did them.
I feel like I've gotten what Ineed for them.
I'm signing up for thecommunity.
But then, I don't know if youremember, but I signed up to
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join you in one of your officehours.
Yeah, the office hour calls foreverybody.
And I had brought to you anissue about me feeling really
overwhelmed about this upcominggrant because my grant starts in
july and i in my mind i was likei had all these things i gotta
do and i was just really reallyoverwhelmed yeah and after
talking to you you asked me somereally specific questions and
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after talking to you i realizedthat i want you really only had
like two things to do i doremember this and i had to sign
up for some classes which i wasable to get done like it was not
a lot and so you helped me tounderstand that the reason why i
was feeling overwhelmed was notjust because of the work but
it's because I was the first inmy department to have this
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opportunity and it was reallypowerful because I actually went
back through some of thoseearlier modules where we like
you taught us how to ask likethose questions yes really make
sure that when we're in thesesituations we're feeling
overwhelmed we don't focus somuch on our feelings but more so
on the facts and like what is itthat I need to do to move
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forward and it's just a reminderthat all right let me actually
sit down and go back throughthese modules Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
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that's my powerful moment and ithink i'm lucky that i've i've
appreciated that even though icame to fully funded for the
community honestly that chanceto go through the modules again
and hindsight is important andyes as well i love that i just
people call the modules a giftthat keeps on giving and i just
i feel very proud of them on andi am not humble about i'm so
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proud of them because there wasso much intentionality in
creating something that felt souseful right and that felt so
real and that you really cancome back over and over again
and get something new out of it.
You can also recognize yourgrowth.
You can be like, oh man, look atwhere I started and where I am
now.
And the way I think about ittoo, is like, these are the
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foundational concrete conceptsin order to build the career
that you want and then lead itwell.
That is literally what, and leadyourself through it.
That's how I think of it.
So it makes sense to me thatpeople are like, man, I can keep
going.
I'm back to this and mining it.
Cause I'm like, it's thefoundation.
It's delivered through the lensof like, okay, let's organize to
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get a grant.
But underneath is like, this ishow you lead your career.
This is how you go and play thegame.
And this is how you're going toget it done.
So yeah, that makes me reallyhappy.
And I love hearing about thetext group and the motivation
and the like making communityconnecting, having people.
I think you, this is kind ofwhat you're talking about, but
to me, it's that it's theauthentic community.
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It's like, it's not the groupchat where you just roll your
eyes right it's not the emaillistserv that you're on that
you're like oh that is justmostly noise and every once in a
while there's like maybesomething helpful the whole
point is that it's real and it'slike what these things are
supposed to be every time wesign up and we think that's what
we're getting so it just makesme really happy to hear that
after just to be clear after theprogram is ended like after that
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like you guys are in motivatingeach other and like referring to
the tools because then thatmeans to me it's a you know kind
of permanent intervention it'slike you come in you can't leave
the same You've got newcomrades, you've got new
connections and you've got newtools.
And it's just really lovely tohear.
And then when I think about it,I don't know, I feel so, I call
it a powerful moment, but ahumbling moment as well.
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Cause I feel so silly, likethinking back to why I tell my
learners all the time,
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you
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
haven't done enough intubations, whatever procedure
you haven't messed up.
Right.
I haven't had like issues whereyou're thinking, oh, I need my
technique now coming back me up.
Right.
And.
Similarly, when going throughthese modules, it's like, you
got to look at it again.
No, I did PGY1, I got to doPGY2, PGY3.
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It's like, you got to go throughit to get a different thing at
each time.
At each level.
A day, it's spiral learning.
It's like, you did get it at thechallenge that you had when your
challenge was, I want to getfunded.
So you got the lesson for whatyou needed it for then.
Then you got funded.
And then the lesson shows upagain and you're like, I'm
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overwhelmed And it's like, no,boo, you have the tools for
this, but you don't see itbecause the challenge looks
different.
SPEAKER_00 (18:42):
And
SPEAKER_01 (18:42):
that's what I have learned.
It's like, I emphasize this somuch in the curriculum, but I
say it to y'all all the time.
I promise you, like thechallenge you're feeling right
now is not about the particularsof the thing in front of you,
because we all think, well, it'sjust because I don't have a
grant.
And then you get a grant.
And then here I am overwhelmed.
It's just because I haven'tstarted.
Then you start, but it's alwayssomething else.
It's like, well, so you hearthis when people are like, well,
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I haven't gotten my R award yet,or I haven't done this.
this or if this, then that.
And I just like, you know, withrespect, I have talked to a lot
of people about these issues.
And I mean, I have talked tofull professors who are deans.
They sound just like you.
Like, I promise you, it's aboutthe underlying, as we were
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talking about, foundation of howyou're dealing with the sense of
overwhelm in the setting ofacademic medicine and public
health.
That's actually what it is.
And you can feel overwhelmedwhen you just start.
You can feel it in yourmid-career.
You can feel it when you're thehead big boss, but the bottom
line is the tools to figure outhow to get yourself out of it
are the same.
And so I just submit to you,like, I think you're using your
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tools because you didn't sit inoverwhelm and just be spiraling
alone.
You also didn't do a whole bunchof things to waste your time,
which is the other thing thatwe'll do, right?
We'll be like, I'm overwhelmed.
So it's so weird to me.
Then we'll just go do all thisother stuff that adds stuff.
People will go on an emailingspree.
I'm like, why did you do that?
No, you These people you willhave to respond to tomorrow
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because you decided to use youroverwhelm to respond to emails.
Like you just want to check someboxes.
Yeah, you want to check someboxes.
So you're not thinking well.
Yes, I did something.
I did something.
And you're like, okay, but allyou're doing is adding things to
your list right now.
You just, you're adding noise.
You're adding work.
You're adding energy.
I just want to give you propsbecause you didn't do that.
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Instead, you were like, whattools do I have?
Let me come to a coaching call.
Let me come to office hours andbe like, so I'm overwhelmed.
Like what's going on?
And then it's the questions,like you said, the exchange
that's like, okay, these areactually the facts.
This is where it is.
And it's recognizing, I thinkyou said something like your
feelings are less important orsomething.
I just want to say that Ireally, I think feelings are
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very important.
This is not a no feelings place,but I think what you're bringing
up is this idea that yourfeelings, you should feel them.
You should have them, but thenyou should ask yourself, where
is this coming from?
Yes.
Yes.
And then you have to go throughthis process of like, is it a
real thing that I'm wearing?
Like what, if I'm overwhelmedbecause I have too much to do,
what is the to-do?
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And that's what we went through.
And it's like, okay, there'sonly two items.
So there's something else that'soverwhelming.
It's not these two items, youknow?
And it's beautiful to do that inan environment that knows what
it's like to launch a grant.
It's beautiful.
Like, as opposed to having toexplain to somebody, oh, well,
this is what it means.
Like, you don't have to do anyof that explaining in a group
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that's all the same, all facultymembers, all getting grants, all
in academic medicine or publichealth.
Everybody knows, okay, so it'sthis kind of award.
You're going to do this.
That's all you got to do.
So yeah, I really, I appreciateyou sharing something more
humbling because I think it'sstill very empowering and helps
people to see like whatcommunity looks like in action,
not just like, you know, as anoun.
(21:53):
So how do you think like, well,I guess you could probably
answer this question indifferent ways, but like how has
being in our coaching community,would you say influence your
perspectives around your career,around like what you're doing
and also like the achievementthat you've had?
Like, how would you answer thatquestion today?
I would say that the biggesttakeaway and the shift in my
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perspective is the idea of notoperating from a scarcity
mindset, which is so importantin the environment we're in.
Knowing that as long as Icontinue the work, as long as
I'm passionate about what I wantto do, funding sources will
come, opportunities will come,and this will be successful.
Like, I didn't get here 13 yearslater just because.
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Thank you.
years from now, I know I willcontinue to make progress.
And so I didn't mention earlier,but so this grant that I got, I
wasn't the only one who appliedfor it.
There was another, shout out toRegina, and she was pregnant
also.
We worked together in the sameprogram in this grant.
Both had our babies.
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And we both got to do it! Okay,so this is revolutionary.
Wait, slow down.
This is revolutionary.
Because I'm sorry, there is nonarrative like this in academic
medicine anywhere.
We're going to work together.
We're going to help each otherapplying for the same thing.
We're going to help each other.
We're going to motivate eachother.
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We're going to support eachother.
Why?
Because we don't believe inscarcity.
Who cares?
I don't care how many they'regiving out.
We can both get them and youboth got them.
I'm saying y'all, if you arehashtag receipts, listen, sign
up for this program.
Don't That is amazing.
(23:38):
That is so amazing.
And it's so great.
Again, a full circle momentbecause I'm actually at a, at
one of our national conferencesfor emergency medicine and she's
here and we had a chance tofinally meet in person.
So this relationship that webuilt, it had all been virtual
and all began with TTG.
Yes.
And that's going to be your polyfor life though.
That's what's so beautiful.
(23:59):
Exactly.
So when people are like, Oh,like how do you find the right
collaborators?
I'm like, cause it starts withauthentic relationship.
Do you know the difference?
If y'all ever merge, what wouldit look like if y'all like,
let's join forces and knock thisout?
That is totally different.
And you don't have theconversations like, I don't know
why I'm a collaborator, won'tturn her stuff in on time.
It's like, y'all don't have anyrelationships under these
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superficial collaborations thatyou're throwing together to try
to get the money.
Okay, that's a separate rant.
I'm very proud of y'all.
And I'm so glad.
I want to send a picture fromthe meetup, by the way.
Okay, we will.
Is there anything else you'dlike to share or highlight about
your journey since post-programthat you think would be valuable
specifically for current membersto hear?
Because it wasn't that long agothat you were in the thick of
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it.
I want to say two things.
Okay.
For current members, don'tundervalue the importance of
community.
There's just something sopowerful about knowing...
There's a place you can go towhere you're safe, where people
get it, they understand you.
Yes.
They're not going to go run toyour chair a
SPEAKER_00 (25:04):
day.
SPEAKER_01 (25:04):
And...
It's just really nice to be ableto kind of take some of these
issues to this group, a safespace.
Yeah.
And also not just take theissues, but the wins.
The way we be hyping each otherup.
We celebrate.
It feels good to just celebrateand support.
It does feel so good.
It feels so good.
(25:25):
And you can't do that in everyspace.
Absolutely not.
And in fact, you have tocelebrate your wins or your
career experience is so dull,
SPEAKER_00 (25:32):
you
SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
know?
So it's like, we're going tocelebrate everything.
I feel like when I get off thesecalls, it's like, I just had a
conversation with my sisters,you know?
Cause when we talk, you know,we're not doing, we be hyping
each other up.
Yep.
And it's just, it's just really,really powerful.
So I want to say that to thecurrent people and get that
grant.
We're considering fully funded.
That community is just.
(25:56):
Yeah.
The fully funded community.
Oh man.
It's fire.
I love it.
Well, thank you so much forspending time talking with, I'm
really excited.
Cause I saw you coming on theretreat.
Yeah.
spend more time together thisfall.
And yeah, is there anything elseyou wanted to say that we
haven't covered?
The only other thing that I wantto say for other folks out
there, focus on your passion anddon't be afraid to, in moments
(26:19):
of tragedy, use that to help youpropel your work forward.
You know, I think, so this allstarted when I lost my father
and it's what has motivated meall this time.
And I remember you have spokenabout, and I hear now a lot of
questions from mentees in thisuncertain times, like how do I
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get funded?
You know, what am I supposed todo?
And I remember there was onething that really stuck with me
that you said is that the workthat gets funded is the work
that you are most passionateabout because that's the work
that you will complete.
When it's hard, when it'snights, when it's getting told
no's, the work that keeps you upat night that you really feel is
(27:01):
your life's purpose, that's thework that's going to get funded.
Exactly.
Because that's what you willwork the hardest for.
That is the thing.
That's how you have to choose.
You can't choose based on whatyou think somebody else.
No, it's like, this is the workthat you need to want to do on
your bad days.
Yes.
That's the project you choose.
Yeah.
Oh, I just wanted to just say,you know, it took 13 years, but
(27:24):
I'm here doing the work thatcame from that stem from
tragedy.
And I just want to encouragepeople who are maybe in a
similar situation to just keepfollowing your passion.
Don't give up.
Yes.
I want to thank you.
Don't, Do it alone.
No.
Find a community.
Yes.
Ah, Ade, thank you so much.
This has been so lovely in somany ways.
(27:45):
You have wonderful, I said shehad good energy at the
beginning, y'all, and you seewhat I mean.
Thank you for sharing so openlywith us and for sharing your
story and just everything.
I also just, we didn't talkabout your work that much, but
that really moved me to thisbecause I feel like there's a
parallel with what you're doingand what I'm doing with this
program, which is like peoplecome in and you capture them for
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this moment.
moment of time.
And you're like, all right, Imight only have you for this
moment of time, but I want youto be changed when you go.
I want you to be changed in agood way.
I want to shift you enough, youknow?
I just got chills.
Yes.
That the path that you're on,we're shifting the slope of the
line.
We're shifting the path.
So there's a before and there'san after here.
And that's where that, I feelthe parallel.
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And I just feel so resonant withwhat your work you're doing.
So please keep doing it.
There's so many.
We'll talk at the retreat.
We got so many friends.
Okay.
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Okay.
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Bye.
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