August 19, 2025 • 36 mins
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This week, we're shaking things up! In this episode, Kemi invites you to join her for a refreshing break from the usual career-focused content. Embracing the concept of "recess," she encourages you to explore the importance of fun and leisure in your busy lives.
Join in as Kemi shares a variety of personal recommendations, from insightful podcasts to engaging TV shows and exciting books, all aimed at helping you cultivate joy outside of work.
So, grab a cup of your favorite beverage, sit back, and let’s dive into this delightful recess of recommendations that will inspire you to carve out time for yourself.
Mentions + Recess Recommendations:
- Podcast: What Should We Talk About? with Jenny Yang
- TV Show: Couples Therapy
- Podcast: Emsolation
- Listen to one free premium episode here!
- Book: Buried Deep by Naomi Novik
Bonus Recommendations:
- Previous Episode: 180 Disturbing Relationship Patterns Among High-Achieving Women, with Dr. Shirlene Obuobi, MD
- Movie: Sinners from Ryan Coogler
- Movie: Wicked
- TV Show: Fringe
- TV Show: The Newsreader
If you'd like to learn more foundational career navigation concepts for women of color in academic medicine and public health, sign up for our KD Coaching Foundations Series: www.kemidoll.com/foundations.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
One of the messages that I share a lot in the
newsletter and also here is likehow much, you know, we have to
have balance.
We have to have this space.
I talk a lot about, you needboundaries, right?
So you're not tired.
You need to know when to stopworking so you can work more
efficiently, but then like, whatare you doing with that extra
time and space?
And, you know, I am a parent.
So I, a lot of what I'm doing iscaretaking for my children,
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spending time with them,enjoying time with them.
And also just like parenting,doing the work of that, you
know, I have a spouse.
So some of the time I'm spendingin And so on this podcast, I am
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doing recess recommendations.
Hello, hello.
You are listening to yourunapologetic career.
Being a woman of color facultyin academic medicine who wants
to make a real difference withyour career can be tough.
(01:06):
Listen, these systems are notbuilt for us, but that doesn't
mean we can't make them work forus.
In each episode, I'll be takinga deep dive into one core growth
strategy so you can gainconfidence and effectiveness
I'll see you next time.
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back to the show.
It's your host, Kami Dole,obviously.
Very happy to have you all back.
We're going to do a differentkind of episode this week
because I actually, I've beenthinking like all morning about
what the episode was going to bethat I was going to record today
because I knew today was arecording day.
And I felt like I was reallypulling at straws in terms of
like career focused content in away that didn't make me feel
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good.
Like in a way that I knew Icould be like, well, I guess
I'll just talk aboutproductivity again, or I'll talk
about boundaries again, or I'lltalk about non-federal funding
sources again or whatever, butit just didn't feel authentic.
You know, I was like, I don'twant to be like just a repeat
record kind of thing.
And it's true.
Like when I give y'all thoselike ABC one, two, three, here's
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the structure, here's theconcept.
Like those are of course ourmost popular episodes.
I was going back and looking inlike the three P's of your
career, purpose, pace, andpeace, like top episodes, the
career dynamics series, the fallseries about, you know, unstable
political times followed by thewinter slash spring series of
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federal funding crises.
Like I get it, I get it.
But also I was thinking tomyself how in so many areas of
my life, I'm trying to, and Iam, you know, cultivating what I
do more of more as like a gardenand a variety as opposed to like
one thing or the most valuableor whatever.
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My nature is to be a maximizer,to be like, okay, we can do
this, but then we can do it to amillion, to a hundredth,
whatever.
which is great in some capacity,but it also can mean that all
you have are just like huge, bigprojects at the top of your
game, et cetera.
And actually what you need is alot of, you need variety, right?
So like a garden can have likeone beautiful kind of marquee
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bush, but then it's actuallyhealthy when it has like little
wildflowers over here and littlethings over there.
That's the end of that metaphor.
I know nothing about gardeningand flowers.
That's the end of that one.
But the point is that like, I'vereally thought about that
cultivation.
And interestingly enough, youcan really see it like looking
into the last, I would say threeyears or so of my research
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program where it really shiftedfrom like this big thing, this
big thing, that big thing tolike still big things.
We still doing big thingsbecause we're trying to have big
impact, but like we'recultivating smaller,
interesting, narrower, out ofthe box studies as well that can
kind of that bridge off.
And I've really, I realized howmuch I love that and also how
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much as a PI and as a leader ofa research center, I enjoy the
shift, right?
Like I enjoy one day talkingabout the big flagship study and
then another day thinking aboutthe details of how to
disseminate a smaller two-yearproject, right?
And then I'm talking about, oh,well, how could a trainee make
an interesting, you know, pilotgrant idea out of this?
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Like I just, I enjoy that,right?
And so I've I thought about thatthis morning as I was thinking
like, okay, what am I going totell them?
Like giving value on thepodcast.
You guys know this, right?
I feel so strongly about like, Iwant to give you value.
I want to share what I can.
There's a lot of intentionalkind of structured teaching and
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coaching and stuff that I dobehind like in my Katie coaching
community, like for our facultyclients and stuff.
But I feel so strongly that Iwant to be able to share more
openly and just share like just,I have a lot to share.
So just like share and teach andgive valuable information like
this on this platform toeverybody.
Cause I know a lot of peopleeither cannot or will not ever
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join our programs.
And so there's obviously goingto be an entire other level of
strategic support execution andfrankly, like tools and
strategies within our community,but outside, I think there are
still just broader concepts thatare helpful.
And that's why you hear mesharing a lot on this podcast.
So much of what I talk about arethese broader concepts.
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How do we think about boundariesin a way that honors how we
perceive the value of our ownwork.
How do we think about phases ofour career instead of early,
mid, late to career purpose,pace, and peace?
And if you think about it thatway, how does that change how
you make decisions?
So you all on the podcast reallyget these kind of bigger ideas
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for the goal of prompting you tothink about your career
differently.
And then every once in a while,the world goes to hell and I'm
like, okay, let me give somereal structured support step
one, two, and three.
All that to say is that I lovethat and I'll never stop doing
that.
And I also want to garden.
I want to garden of thispodcast.
And you've gotten some of thatin the client spotlights,
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although that's still very muchfocuses on career and those
episodes have a certain point.
You've also started to see, Ithink you've started to see some
of the shift in some of the kindof conversations that I have
with the guests.
Because as you have noticed,outside of the client
spotlights, like the guests arevery The topics are planned and
very well thought out.
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And it's always something whereI'm like, I want to talk about
this, but I don't want to justhear myself talk about this.
And so our episode with Dr.
Charlene Abobi was very popular,you know, very powerful.
I mean, some of the messages andthe notes that we got back after
talking about that topic of kindof disturbing relationship
patterns among high achievingwomen, some of them we couldn't
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even publish.
I I think I thought just wouldbe too triggering for people
honestly to hear, but we didshare a lot of the notes we got
back and that's purposeful aswell.
I had a wonderful conversation.
I've had conversations aboutmotherhood, just, you know,
trying to be very deliberateabout some of those
conversations.
All that to say is that'sanother piece of the garden,
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right?
Like let's be in conversationabout something that might not
be specific to career, but islike around that or very much
alive for that for those of usin these faculty jobs roles.
And so, It's different, but itstill is very intentional,
thoughtful, etc.
So I'm like, you know what,Kemi, you also need some just
random wildflowers.
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You just need some fun.
You need some lightness.
And so that is what I'm bringingyou today.
Did y'all like that longpreamble?
All of that to say, on thispodcast, I am doing recess
recommendations.
Where does this title come from?
And am I going to keep it?
I don't know.
But for today, I was thinkingabout how in school for the
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kids, they never No, like youcan't just teach the kids all
day.
You can't just be like eighto'clock.
We're doing math.
Nine o'clock.
We're doing reading.
Ten o'clock.
We're doing this.
Like it just never.
And we're going to go like, youknow, they know they have to
give them breaks and they knowthey have to go like just do
other stuff and they need toactually play.
They need to enjoy themselves.
They need to laugh.
They need to joke.
They need to do all of thatstuff.
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They need to have breaks inorder for the day to be
functional.
And, you know, when you're akid, they call breaks recess.
So I was thinking this isrecess.
This is podcast recess.
where we're going to have fun.
We're going to take breaks.
And one of the messages that Ishare a lot in the newsletter,
shout out, if you're notsubscribed to the newsletter,
(09:07):
make sure you're subscribedbecause if you did not know, I
have been doing new issues everymonth this year.
One of the things, you know, Italk about in that newsletter
and also here is like how much,you know, we have to have
balance.
We have to have this space.
I talk a lot about, you needboundaries, right?
So you're not tired.
You need to know when to stopworking so you can work more
efficiently.
But then like, what are youdoing with that extra time and
space?
And, you know, I am a parent, soa lot of what I'm doing is
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caretaking for my children,spending time with them,
enjoying time with them, andalso just like parenting, doing
the work of that.
I have a spouse, so some of thetime I'm spending in
conversation with this wonderfullife partner that I still like
and love very much.
But also there is the part ofjust like, what are you doing
with yourself?
How are you just enjoyingyourself, having fun?
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And it is very sad to me howoften I think...
we get into modes where thatalmost is completely
non-existent.
I'm like, so what do you just dofor you?
What's just like, okay, I'm justhaving time.
I'm just chilling.
What am I doing?
And people will be like, I don'tknow what you're talking about.
Maybe it's like, do you meanlike the 45 minutes when I'm in
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bed and everybody's asleep and Iam scrolling TikTok?
And I'm like, I mean, I guess ifthat's all we got.
So the recess recommendations islike, well, first of all, I want
y'all to know, like, I don'tjust do this all day.
I work a lot.
I have, you know, basicallythree jobs right now, which
works for me.
That's a choice and I like it.
I do spend a lot of time with mykids.
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I do invest in my relationshipwith my partner, but I also, I
love my alone time because Ilike to like do things that are
fun to me.
And I thought it would be fun toshare with you all some of those
things that I do and some of thethings I enjoy because one, you
might find that you enjoy themtoo.
Number two, to be verytransparent, it helps me
remember and also hopefullyhelps you see like I am a full
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person.
Like I don't just thinkstrategy, you know, endometrial
cancer disparities, research,you know, I, there's like all
this other things, book, etcetera.
There's like also just theseother things that like, and I
just enjoy as a person.
So that helps me feel like I'mshowing up to you as a full
person.
Also, because I feel like if Istart like sharing like random
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recommendations and stuff withy'all, maybe y'all will kind of
notice some of the stuff I likeand start sharing more
recommendations back with me.
And I'll just find more thingsthat I love.
So you see how like maybe thiscan be, this can end up being
like a beautiful symbiosis.
So I said before that that wasthe end of the preamble, but
this is probably the end of thepreamble.
Let's do our recess, podcastrecess recommendations.
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I think the future versions ofthese episodes will probably be
shorter because I will not gothrough this whole explanation,
but we'll see.
I thought to myself, like, let'sdo like a few different
categories of things.
And then immediately because ofhow I am, I was like, okay, so
we'll have a structure.
So every time we do a podcastrecess, we'll do one of these
one.
And I said, can we stop?
This is what you do.
Every time I have an idea, likeimmediately the second step in
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my brain is structure,structure.
Okay.
Fun.
No structure, wild,freewheeling, crazy.
Let's just go.
Okay.
So what's my firstrecommendation?
All right.
So I like many millions of otherpeople in this country and
around the world saw theincredible masterpiece of the
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movie centers.
When it came out, it It was sointentional for me to see this
movie because I don't go to themovies.
I don't go to the movies becauseof all the things I just told
y'all before.
I got three jobs.
I got kids.
I got a spouse.
My spouse works full time.
Like who is going to the movies?
It takes so much time to go tothe movies.
Like what?
Also shout out to those of therest of you all that are like,
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you know, early forties, midforties, like me, like aging and
stuff.
I feel like the older you get,the more you're like, is there
anything even out that'sinteresting?
Like, and I haven't figured out,is it the movies that have
changed or is it me or both?
I'm not sure.
There was a time where like anygiven weekend, there would be
like at least one thing that Ithought would be interesting to
see.
And now I feel like over thecourse of a year, there might be
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two movies that I'm like, oh, Ireally want to go see that.
Anyway.
So all that to say is to go seeSinners when it came out in the
theaters was like such adeliberate choice from a
logistical standpoint.
It's a what in my area, it'slike$25 an hour.
You know, we need a time whereboth me and my spouse, neither
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one of us are working on call,anything like that.
You know, everybody is off.
There's just like so many thingsthat has to line up.
Also, nobody's traveling.
Nobody's out of town.
Like, anyway, this is like, ithas to just be so deliberate.
And then number two is that it'svery deliberate to me because
it's like, what am I going totake all this energy to do?
I'm going to take all thisenergy, of course, to see a Ryan
Coogler project, like an effinggenius of a film Somebody who
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won Sundance in his mid-20s withhis first submission.
You know what I mean?
I mean, the creative powerhousebehind the Black Panther movies.
Of course, I am going to see anew Ryan Coogler film, which is
a lot to say because I don't dohorror.
I don't do scary movies.
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I am very sensitive to violentimagery in movies.
I am very sensitive.
I have absolutely no interest inhorror at all.
And I'm very sensitive toviolence because those images
stay with me.
Like I just get way too far in.
Like I do not experience aseparation between me and what's
going on on screen.
So like, there's just, I don'tdo any of that kind of stuff.
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And so to choose to go knowingthat the movie has some
supernatural elements, somehorror elements was like very
deliberate because I'm like, butit's also Ryan Coogler and he
doesn't make anything that isuninteresting that there's
always multiple layers to peelback and I enjoy that
intellectual experience so muchand the beauty of how he, I
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mean, anyway, so Sinners is noteven my recommendation, but
that's to say is I saw Sinners.
And so after I saw Sinners, oneof the things I like to do is
just like consume as much mediaas I can about the things.
I'm like, I'm enjoying it moreand more.
And anybody who's ever heardRyan Coogler, like in an
interview or anything, it just,it deepens your appreciation of
him for like multiple reasons.
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I'll just leave that there.
So all I have to say is thatlistening to a lot of stuff.
But I realized this week, I cameacross a podcast that I missed
the first time because it tookme a while to see the movie.
So I was like, I was skippingepisodes of things I usually
listen to and stuff because Ididn't want to be spoiled.
But among the many conversationsabout this movie that exists
that I enjoyed, what I'mrecommending to you in podcast
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recess is Jenny Yang has a newpodcast.
She's an Asian Americancomedian, podcast host, among
other things, actress.
Her podcast is called WhatShould We Talk About?
And one of the earlier episodes,I think it came out April 28th,
is focused on sinners.
And I loved this conversationbecause it's Jenny Yang and a
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few other people representingboth Black and Asian
perspectives.
And like one of the really coolthings about sinners is the
deliberate inclusion of aChinese family in the
Mississippi Delta and like somuch interesting layered history
and commentary and things aboutthat relationship of them then.
And that I think is reallyinteresting about thinking about
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the Black-Asian relationshipnow.
And this podcast, I mean, thisconversation was so good.
And it was, I mean, it's funny,you know, it's light, it's
interesting.
They're talking about the movie,but it was just so well done.
And there were just likemultiple times during this
podcast episode where I likepaused and was like, ooh, oh,
and like would rewind to listenagain because I just liked the
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turn of phrase that were used,or I learned something myself
about the Asian-Americanexperience, or I thought about,
I got to like relive somethingsome parts of the movie in a way
that I loved.
So anyway, podcastrecommendation, What Should We
Talk About by Jenny Yang seemsto be a great podcast.
And then number two, thespecific episode on sinners that
came out April 28th is reallygood.
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One of the things, concepts theymentioned kind of towards the
end is like how like to be Asianis to be conditionally black or
conditionally white, dependingon the circumstance and what is
most convenient to whitesupremacy in that moment or in
that community or in that time.
And it was just, and then theytalk about that concept more.
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And it was like, it wasfascinating.
Anyway, that's myrecommendation.
Jenny Yang's podcast.
All right.
In the category, the nextcategory of shows.
Okay.
I, for all the reasons mentionedbefore, I don't watch that much
TV.
What happens is like, I'm prettymuch not watching anything.
I'm not watching any TV.
And then like something, forsome reason, I get some
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recommendation or somethingpasses my thing.
And I'm like, oh, this isinteresting.
And then I just like inhale itquickly, you know?
So it's not binging because Idon't have six hours to sit
around and binge.
Like it's not like that, butit'll be like that 45 minutes
before bed and not scrolling myphone.
I ended up being like watchingan episode like each night or
something for like two weeks ina row and knocking it out, like
something like that.
So that ends up how I watch TV.
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I feel like overall, I watchmore TV than I will catch a
movie because of theconvenience, but still overall,
I don't really feel like I watchthat much TV at all.
If you want to say Like what'sthe one thing that I spend most
of my time doing would bereading books.
But one show that I recently,like as in literally last night,
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I finished the most recentseason that's been on my mind is
Couples Therapy, which is onShowtime, but available via
subscription, I think throughPrime TV.
Couples Therapy, Orna is thename of the therapist.
It's so crazy because thepremise just seems so insane and
voyeuristic.
Like, It's basically like youare in the session in the room
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with couples doing couplestherapy with Orna.
Maybe there probably still istotally an element of voyeurism,
like for sure.
It is not reality TV in the waythat one might think of it for
anybody who is like, what areyou talking about?
I don't, I really can't standreality TV, but I think it's
just because the production isreally good.
I think there's a lot of thoughtabout how to kind of craft the
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stories.
And then one thing I really loveabout it is that they spend time
with the therapist Orna.
with her, with her mentor.
So she has a clinical mentorthat helps her figure out like
how to move when she gets lostor is not really sure how to
help a couple.
Then she has a peer advisorygroup that gives her different
perspectives on like on what'sgoing on, like with the couple,
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which I think is reallyinteresting.
You know what I mean?
They have some of her just likenarration, like her thoughts
about how, what we might beseeing in any given couple, like
represents larger questions ofthe collective and larger
issues.
It's really interesting.
So I like that aspect of it asbeing like more of a 360 take,
but ultimately it is about thecouples in the couples therapy.
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And this is why I find it sofascinating because I don't
think that there is a betterrepresentation that I have seen
about how much people canearnestly, like earnestly be so
wrong about how they come acrossor how much people can earnestly
be thinking one thing and actingout another or how people can so
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deeply, so earnestly feel acertain way, like be feeling a
certain way and acting in a waythat makes sense to them for
their feeling and makes sense tonobody else.
I just think it is such ahumbling show to watch to
remember how complicated and oddpeople are.
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And I mean people like humans.
I don't mean the specifics ofthe people on the show, like
just human beings and like howour thinking is layered with our
emotions, is layered with theselike unconscious impulses.
Like I'm a people person in thisway that that will just never
not be fascinating to me.
It will never not be fascinatingto me how people work like that
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and will never not help meremember and be humble to that.
And I think this is like, notthat...
Things can just be fun for fun'ssake, but I literally think it
helps me not take thingspersonally because you watch
this show and you just recognizehow people are behaving is about
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them, not you.
And obviously this is couplestherapy so that her whole point
is that yes, and then the coupleas a system has to figure this
out.
But it's just because shecreates so much safety and
there's so much openness, itjust helps to see, and I
appreciate these people who comeon this show like so much, but
it just helps to see it so well.
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So like, then when you thinkback to like somebody who you're
really frustrated with or whoyou don't understand, or
somebody comes at you in a crazyway or something, it just is a
helpful reminder.
And it's so easy to take thingspersonally, right?
Something happens to you andyou're like, you know, but it is
such a good reminder about howhumans work, which is that like,
you can take things personally.
You can do that.
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Or you can remember that humansare complicated and we are so in
our own heads and we have ourown perspective and our own lens
and we're bringing all thisstuff to the table.
And even if with all of that,like literally we have different
ways of expressing differentfeelings and thoughts and
emotions.
And I just think it's so welldone and it's fascinating to me.
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So I watched, I literally justwatched like what, 18 episodes
in like two weeks, just likefinished out.
So I watched season four,interesting in a lot of ways.
And sometimes at the end, I'llbe at the end, I'll be like,
y'all don't, y'all should goahead and break up.
I mean, I'm not the therapistfor this.
But like, I don't know aboutthis, you know, but most of the
time it's very hopeful.
That's very hopeful.
Anyway.
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So that's the show couplestherapy season four.
Okay.
I have one more podcast and thena book.
All right.
So my podcast recommendation isvery random, but I I'm sure I'm
not the only person that'shappened to just because of how
viral this moment was.
So I'm a wicked fan, been a fanof the wicked musical for a long
time.
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One of my, the most magical likenights I had in New York was
like, you know, being a brokestudent.
and like winning the lottery togo.
They did Outside the Wickedoutside the theater for$20
tickets to sit in the front tworows to see the show.
And that was the first time I'dever seen it.
I saw it with the second cast,not the first cast, but the
second cast.
So like, I just want you tounderstand the love goes deep.
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The love goes deep.
Listened to the soundtrack sincethat time, loved it.
So, you know, when the moviecame out, I was like all over,
very excited to see the movieand then taking in the
incredible performance presstour run.
They were literally everywhere.
So I, like many of you listeningand maybe not like many of you
saw the like interview clip withCynthia Erivo and this brown
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haired woman from Australia whowas talking about how wicked for
her as somebody who's part ofthe neurodiverse community, she
has ADHD and autism and how muchshe feels so represented by the
story of wicked and Glenda andAlphaba.
And they just like have thislike nice exchange and there's,
you know, Everybody getsemotional.
But this woman just has such aninteresting spirit and
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expression.
And so I remember seeing a clip.
So then I was like, oh, I wantto see this full interview.
I want to find this.
So then I went to find the fullinterview.
And I realized, oh, she is avery famous person in Australia.
I had not heard of her, but veryfamous over there.
And she has a podcast called EmSalation.
Her name is Em Rossiano.
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Her podcast is called EmSalation Podcast.
And it's a podcast with her andher her best friend, Michael
Lewis.
And I'll talk about theconnection there.
And so I was like, oh, so I wentto the podcast so I could watch
the full interview.
It was even better.
The full interview was evenbetter than the clip.
And then that led me to likewatching episodes of the
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podcast.
So the podcast is a podcast, butit's also on YouTube.
So you go either way.
And it's just so funny.
I mean, it's totally just likepop culture commentary.
I think the reasons I like itare multitude.
One is the American obsessionwith accents.
So, you know, they'reAustralian.
So it's fun to listen to themtalk.
to it's interesting to heartheir perspective on pop culture
events that feel very American.
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It's like a reminder of howglobal this culture is in a way.
So like, I just find it funnyand interesting.
I will say that during theelection, they have like a lot
of commentary about the electionand about, you know, Kamala
versus Trump.
Obviously they are, obviously,obviously, you know, stand
against everything that Trumprepresents.
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Otherwise, why would I belistening to this?
But like that part was actuallya little difficult.
I find it difficult to listen totheir commentary on American
politics, but I think it'sbecause I am jealous of the fact
that they have the distance thatthey do.
You know what I mean?
Because our politics are insane.
And when you're not in it andsubject to it so directly as
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those of us here in this countryare, it is entertaining.
I mean, it's insanelyentertaining.
And so for me, it's just hard tolisten to because I'm like, I
wish I could have this distancefrom this insane insanity that
we are living in right now.
And they do recognize like, Imean, they're in Australia, like
they recognize a part of theWestern world.
They recognize all thoseconnections.
But I will just say for thosewho go, listen, I tend to kind
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of jump past parts where they'respecifically talking about
American politics for thatreason.
But yeah, they're really funny.
They have interesting takes onlike what's happening pop
culture wise.
It's like a really well doneshow.
Like she is very good at this.
It's really interestingrepresentation from the
neurodiverse city community.
And she has a lot of thoughtsabout that and about how autism
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and ADHD show up in women.
And she is a white woman.
Her host is a white man.
I think they're pretty aware ofthat lens.
She definitely highlights a lotof people of color on the
podcast and makes a point.
And she has very progressiveviews and all that.
But, you know, there are stilltimes when it just like it's
like, OK, this is very white.
You know, they're just timeslike that.
I mean, not not most of thetime.
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Otherwise, honestly, I wouldn'tlisten to it.
But that's to say that's true.
Now, here, I think, is whatreally got me is that.
So this best friend of hers,Michael Lewis, is a
screenwriter.
And so he He was thescreenwriter and showrunner for
this show in Australia calledThe Newsreader, which, I mean,
it's like an incredible show.
It's an Australian show.
It actually got nominated for aninternational Emmy for best
drama.
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Okay, one of the stars of TheNewsreader is Anna Torv.
Okay, Anna Torv is the sameperson who starred in the
potentially, I feel like,underrated, undervalued, amazing
supernatural slash crime showFringe.
Fringe was so good.
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Y'all shout out to all of theFringe fans.
It was such a good show.
I think it went, did it go threeseasons?
I just remember the last seasonwas like really a mess, but
season one and season two.
Oh my God.
Season one.
Oh my, I mean, one of the bestseasons of television, in my
opinion, truly was season one.
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Anyway, so Fringe.
So I was like, oh my gosh.
So it just, even that connectiongot me excited.
One, it reminded me how much Ilove French.
So that took me down like, oh,I'm going to watch a couple
episodes of French to remindmyself how good it was.
It was just as good as Iremember.
And Anna Torv, I was like, oh,this actress has done more.
Tell me.
Tell me more.
So that made me actually go andfind the newsreader.
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It was kind of hard to findbecause it was in Australia.
But then I went and watched.
I ended up watching the firstseason and a little bit, I
think, of the last season, justbecause Michael talks about it
on the show enough that I wasintrigued.
And it was exceptional.
And her Her co-star in thenewsreader is the dude who plays
Lestat in the new interview withthe vampire.
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So you see how all theseconnections, random.
But anyway, all that to say isto come back to the
recommendation is the Emsolationpodcast.
It's just, it's irreverent.
It's funny.
It's totally just culture.
It's totally just pop culturetakes.
Oh, and the other thing I likeabout it as an American listener
is half of the things they talkabout and half of the
references, I don't know whatthe hell they're talking about.
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Because it's somethingAustralian and that is kind of
fun.
Because, like, it's funny howsometimes I don't even need the
reference for, like, whatthey're talking about to be
funny or whatever, you know?
But then also, like, then thereare some times where I'm, like,
intrigued enough by theconversation to, like, go and
find, like, what is this thinggoing on in Australia?
So, Insolation Podcast, totalrecommendation.
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I actually went up and, like,I'm, like, one of the
subscribers.
I mean, it's, like, a coupledollars a week or something, so
I can get, like, the extra,like, the extra podcast that
they do in the video becauseit's, like, that entertaining to
me.
All right.
So, we're rounding out to myfourth recommendation.
And I think I'm not going tooverly structure myself going
forward with these podcastrecess recommendations, but I
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think I will try to do like foureach time just to keep it not
too long, but interesting.
So this is a little bit of acheat because I haven't actually
read this yet.
I just know it's going to begood.
I just know it's going to begood.
So I just found this outyesterday.
This is hot off the press,y'all.
Naomi Novik.
is an author that I love for alot of reasons.
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One, she most recently wrote theSchool of Mance trilogy.
That was a New York Timesbestseller.
So maybe a lot of you read it.
I think it might be technicallyYA, but like, I don't know.
I mean, it's deep.
I put this on my Instagram.
I have this like very elaboratebook recommendation section on
my Instagram.
But I think what I talked aboutit is that it's very like, you
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know, has DNA from Harry Potter,right?
It's a school of, you know,magicians, school of people who
can do magic.
But that is about it.
I mean, when I tell you itdiverges from there, but it is
such a clear commentary abouteducation and class and
corruption, but incrediblyentertaining, incredibly
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interesting.
I will say it is dark.
I mean, it's deep and it's dark,but it's very well done.
It's not so dark you can't readit.
It's not that level becauseobviously, like I said, I'm too
sensitive for that.
Like I wouldn't read somethingthat would take me down that
far.
But, oh man, by the end of thethird book, I just, it's one of
those things you close the bookand you're just thinking, you're
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like, yeah, I mean, evilendures.
It's just, it's really good.
Anyway, so she's amazing fromthat.
But before that, she wrote allthe dragon, the books that were
like His Majesty's Dragon.
It was basically like aretelling of the Napoleonic
Wars, if there were dragons atthe time.
And if that sounds crazy to you,think about how hard that would
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be to write.
Like her ability to research andbe historically accurate, but
then so creative and sointeresting.
Nobody else could get me to reada series about the Napoleonic
Wars.
I don't care.
Just because, and then throwsome dragons in it.
So yes, I know everybody, rightnow, Onyx Storm and Rebecca
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Yaros are all the rage,whatever.
I will just say, I'm sorry, I'man OG Naomi Novik dragon girl,
okay?
I mean, that series also got alittle shaky towards the end,
but I just thought it was reallygood but here's the reason why
I'm really a fan of Naomi Novikbecause before she was doing
this she was a fan fiction likegoddess okay like main big name
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amazing stories well writteninteresting like I loved to see
her transition to traditionalpublishing because I was just
like it's insane to me that thisperson is just like writing fan
fiction that we're all justreading for free this makes no
sense like she is so talented sothat's just to say it has been
decades probably at this pointthat I've been a fan of this
woman.
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So that's why I feel comfortablerecommending that I just found
out that she just released a newbook of short stories called
Buried Deep.
And what is really cool is thatapparently it's a book of short
stories of like short storiesthat take place in each of these
different worlds she's created.
She has a whole nother worldthat's kind of alternative fairy
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tales.
I read those.
I like them enough, but I likethe other too much more.
So yeah, I'm really excitedabout this.
And And then there's one shortstory included that is a short
story from a new world, like anew series she's working on.
Are you kidding me?
Sign me up.
So I'm very excited because Ialready requested it at my
library and it's coming.
It's in my hold section.
So I'm just going to go pick itup as soon as it shows up,
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probably tomorrow.
And so I'm excited to startthat.
So Buried Deep by Naomi Novik.
Other Novik fans out there, ifyou decide to pick this up and
read it, let me know.
And that is the podcast recesstoday.
I hope that you take at leastone of these recommendations and
have actual recess time.
Go have fun.
Go do something that is notwork.
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Go do something that is notself-improvement.
Go do something that is likegenuinely enjoyable.
It is true that a lot of myrecommendations underneath have
some level of self-improvementin them, but that's just who I
am.
If you go check out any ofthese, please let me know.
Y'all come find me.
Come find me on the socials,K-E-M-I-D-O-L-L, my full
government name on all theplatforms.
Tell me what you thought.
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Go to the show notes.
They're literally right in frontof your face.
If you just open up your phoneright now and click the button
to text me, give me yourrecommendations.
Or if there's something specificthat you want to hear me talk
about on the podcast that'scareer oriented, since I had no
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ideas today, so we decided to dothis podcast recess.
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that text button and let me knowbecause now I can address them.
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One of the messages that I share a lot in the
newsletter and also here is likehow much, you know, we have to
have balance.
We have to have this space.
I talk a lot about, you needboundaries, right?
So you're not tired.
You need to know when to stopworking so you can work more
efficiently, but then like, whatare you doing with that extra
time and space?
And, you know, I am a parent.
So I, a lot of what I'm doing iscaretaking for my children,
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spending time with them,enjoying time with them.
And also just like parenting,doing the work of that, you
know, I have a spouse.
So some of the time I'm spendingin And so on this podcast, I am
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doing recess recommendations.
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back to the show.
It's your host, Kami Dole,obviously.
Very happy to have you all back.
We're going to do a differentkind of episode this week
because I actually, I've beenthinking like all morning about
what the episode was going to bethat I was going to record today
because I knew today was arecording day.
And I felt like I was reallypulling at straws in terms of
like career focused content in away that didn't make me feel
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good.
Like in a way that I knew Icould be like, well, I guess
I'll just talk aboutproductivity again, or I'll talk
about boundaries again, or I'lltalk about non-federal funding
sources again or whatever, butit just didn't feel authentic.
You know, I was like, I don'twant to be like just a repeat
record kind of thing.
And it's true.
Like when I give y'all thoselike ABC one, two, three, here's
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the structure, here's theconcept.
Like those are of course ourmost popular episodes.
I was going back and looking inlike the three P's of your
career, purpose, pace, andpeace, like top episodes, the
career dynamics series, the fallseries about, you know, unstable
political times followed by thewinter slash spring series of
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federal funding crises.
Like I get it, I get it.
But also I was thinking tomyself how in so many areas of
my life, I'm trying to, and Iam, you know, cultivating what I
do more of more as like a gardenand a variety as opposed to like
one thing or the most valuableor whatever.
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My nature is to be a maximizer,to be like, okay, we can do
this, but then we can do it to amillion, to a hundredth,
whatever.
which is great in some capacity,but it also can mean that all
you have are just like huge, bigprojects at the top of your
game, et cetera.
And actually what you need is alot of, you need variety, right?
So like a garden can have likeone beautiful kind of marquee
(03:44):
bush, but then it's actuallyhealthy when it has like little
wildflowers over here and littlethings over there.
That's the end of that metaphor.
I know nothing about gardeningand flowers.
That's the end of that one.
But the point is that like, I'vereally thought about that
cultivation.
And interestingly enough, youcan really see it like looking
into the last, I would say threeyears or so of my research
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program where it really shiftedfrom like this big thing, this
big thing, that big thing tolike still big things.
We still doing big thingsbecause we're trying to have big
impact, but like we'recultivating smaller,
interesting, narrower, out ofthe box studies as well that can
kind of that bridge off.
And I've really, I realized howmuch I love that and also how
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much as a PI and as a leader ofa research center, I enjoy the
shift, right?
Like I enjoy one day talkingabout the big flagship study and
then another day thinking aboutthe details of how to
disseminate a smaller two-yearproject, right?
And then I'm talking about, oh,well, how could a trainee make
an interesting, you know, pilotgrant idea out of this?
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Like I just, I enjoy that,right?
And so I've I thought about thatthis morning as I was thinking
like, okay, what am I going totell them?
Like giving value on thepodcast.
You guys know this, right?
I feel so strongly about like, Iwant to give you value.
I want to share what I can.
There's a lot of intentionalkind of structured teaching and
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coaching and stuff that I dobehind like in my Katie coaching
community, like for our facultyclients and stuff.
But I feel so strongly that Iwant to be able to share more
openly and just share like just,I have a lot to share.
So just like share and teach andgive valuable information like
this on this platform toeverybody.
Cause I know a lot of peopleeither cannot or will not ever
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join our programs.
And so there's obviously goingto be an entire other level of
strategic support execution andfrankly, like tools and
strategies within our community,but outside, I think there are
still just broader concepts thatare helpful.
And that's why you hear mesharing a lot on this podcast.
So much of what I talk about arethese broader concepts.
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How do we think about boundariesin a way that honors how we
perceive the value of our ownwork.
How do we think about phases ofour career instead of early,
mid, late to career purpose,pace, and peace?
And if you think about it thatway, how does that change how
you make decisions?
So you all on the podcast reallyget these kind of bigger ideas
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for the goal of prompting you tothink about your career
differently.
And then every once in a while,the world goes to hell and I'm
like, okay, let me give somereal structured support step
one, two, and three.
All that to say is that I lovethat and I'll never stop doing
that.
And I also want to garden.
I want to garden of thispodcast.
And you've gotten some of thatin the client spotlights,
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although that's still very muchfocuses on career and those
episodes have a certain point.
You've also started to see, Ithink you've started to see some
of the shift in some of the kindof conversations that I have
with the guests.
Because as you have noticed,outside of the client
spotlights, like the guests arevery The topics are planned and
very well thought out.
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And it's always something whereI'm like, I want to talk about
this, but I don't want to justhear myself talk about this.
And so our episode with Dr.
Charlene Abobi was very popular,you know, very powerful.
I mean, some of the messages andthe notes that we got back after
talking about that topic of kindof disturbing relationship
patterns among high achievingwomen, some of them we couldn't
(07:24):
even publish.
I I think I thought just wouldbe too triggering for people
honestly to hear, but we didshare a lot of the notes we got
back and that's purposeful aswell.
I had a wonderful conversation.
I've had conversations aboutmotherhood, just, you know,
trying to be very deliberateabout some of those
conversations.
All that to say is that'sanother piece of the garden,
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right?
Like let's be in conversationabout something that might not
be specific to career, but islike around that or very much
alive for that for those of usin these faculty jobs roles.
And so, It's different, but itstill is very intentional,
thoughtful, etc.
So I'm like, you know what,Kemi, you also need some just
random wildflowers.
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You just need some fun.
You need some lightness.
And so that is what I'm bringingyou today.
Did y'all like that longpreamble?
All of that to say, on thispodcast, I am doing recess
recommendations.
Where does this title come from?
And am I going to keep it?
I don't know.
But for today, I was thinkingabout how in school for the
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kids, they never No, like youcan't just teach the kids all
day.
You can't just be like eighto'clock.
We're doing math.
Nine o'clock.
We're doing reading.
Ten o'clock.
We're doing this.
Like it just never.
And we're going to go like, youknow, they know they have to
give them breaks and they knowthey have to go like just do
other stuff and they need toactually play.
They need to enjoy themselves.
They need to laugh.
They need to joke.
They need to do all of thatstuff.
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They need to have breaks inorder for the day to be
functional.
And, you know, when you're akid, they call breaks recess.
So I was thinking this isrecess.
This is podcast recess.
where we're going to have fun.
We're going to take breaks.
And one of the messages that Ishare a lot in the newsletter,
shout out, if you're notsubscribed to the newsletter,
(09:07):
make sure you're subscribedbecause if you did not know, I
have been doing new issues everymonth this year.
One of the things, you know, Italk about in that newsletter
and also here is like how much,you know, we have to have
balance.
We have to have this space.
I talk a lot about, you needboundaries, right?
So you're not tired.
You need to know when to stopworking so you can work more
efficiently.
But then like, what are youdoing with that extra time and
space?
And, you know, I am a parent, soa lot of what I'm doing is
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caretaking for my children,spending time with them,
enjoying time with them, andalso just like parenting, doing
the work of that.
I have a spouse, so some of thetime I'm spending in
conversation with this wonderfullife partner that I still like
and love very much.
But also there is the part ofjust like, what are you doing
with yourself?
How are you just enjoyingyourself, having fun?
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And it is very sad to me howoften I think...
we get into modes where thatalmost is completely
non-existent.
I'm like, so what do you just dofor you?
What's just like, okay, I'm justhaving time.
I'm just chilling.
What am I doing?
And people will be like, I don'tknow what you're talking about.
Maybe it's like, do you meanlike the 45 minutes when I'm in
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bed and everybody's asleep and Iam scrolling TikTok?
And I'm like, I mean, I guess ifthat's all we got.
So the recess recommendations islike, well, first of all, I want
y'all to know, like, I don'tjust do this all day.
I work a lot.
I have, you know, basicallythree jobs right now, which
works for me.
That's a choice and I like it.
I do spend a lot of time with mykids.
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I do invest in my relationshipwith my partner, but I also, I
love my alone time because Ilike to like do things that are
fun to me.
And I thought it would be fun toshare with you all some of those
things that I do and some of thethings I enjoy because one, you
might find that you enjoy themtoo.
Number two, to be verytransparent, it helps me
remember and also hopefullyhelps you see like I am a full
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person.
Like I don't just thinkstrategy, you know, endometrial
cancer disparities, research,you know, I, there's like all
this other things, book, etcetera.
There's like also just theseother things that like, and I
just enjoy as a person.
So that helps me feel like I'mshowing up to you as a full
person.
Also, because I feel like if Istart like sharing like random
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recommendations and stuff withy'all, maybe y'all will kind of
notice some of the stuff I likeand start sharing more
recommendations back with me.
And I'll just find more thingsthat I love.
So you see how like maybe thiscan be, this can end up being
like a beautiful symbiosis.
So I said before that that wasthe end of the preamble, but
this is probably the end of thepreamble.
Let's do our recess, podcastrecess recommendations.
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I think the future versions ofthese episodes will probably be
shorter because I will not gothrough this whole explanation,
but we'll see.
I thought to myself, like, let'sdo like a few different
categories of things.
And then immediately because ofhow I am, I was like, okay, so
we'll have a structure.
So every time we do a podcastrecess, we'll do one of these
one.
And I said, can we stop?
This is what you do.
Every time I have an idea, likeimmediately the second step in
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my brain is structure,structure.
Okay.
Fun.
No structure, wild,freewheeling, crazy.
Let's just go.
Okay.
So what's my firstrecommendation?
All right.
So I like many millions of otherpeople in this country and
around the world saw theincredible masterpiece of the
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movie centers.
When it came out, it It was sointentional for me to see this
movie because I don't go to themovies.
I don't go to the movies becauseof all the things I just told
y'all before.
I got three jobs.
I got kids.
I got a spouse.
My spouse works full time.
Like who is going to the movies?
It takes so much time to go tothe movies.
Like what?
Also shout out to those of therest of you all that are like,
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you know, early forties, midforties, like me, like aging and
stuff.
I feel like the older you get,the more you're like, is there
anything even out that'sinteresting?
Like, and I haven't figured out,is it the movies that have
changed or is it me or both?
I'm not sure.
There was a time where like anygiven weekend, there would be
like at least one thing that Ithought would be interesting to
see.
And now I feel like over thecourse of a year, there might be
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two movies that I'm like, oh, Ireally want to go see that.
Anyway.
So all that to say is to go seeSinners when it came out in the
theaters was like such adeliberate choice from a
logistical standpoint.
It's a what in my area, it'slike$25 an hour.
You know, we need a time whereboth me and my spouse, neither
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one of us are working on call,anything like that.
You know, everybody is off.
There's just like so many thingsthat has to line up.
Also, nobody's traveling.
Nobody's out of town.
Like, anyway, this is like, ithas to just be so deliberate.
And then number two is that it'svery deliberate to me because
it's like, what am I going totake all this energy to do?
I'm going to take all thisenergy, of course, to see a Ryan
Coogler project, like an effinggenius of a film Somebody who
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won Sundance in his mid-20s withhis first submission.
You know what I mean?
I mean, the creative powerhousebehind the Black Panther movies.
Of course, I am going to see anew Ryan Coogler film, which is
a lot to say because I don't dohorror.
I don't do scary movies.
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I am very sensitive to violentimagery in movies.
I am very sensitive.
I have absolutely no interest inhorror at all.
And I'm very sensitive toviolence because those images
stay with me.
Like I just get way too far in.
Like I do not experience aseparation between me and what's
going on on screen.
So like, there's just, I don'tdo any of that kind of stuff.
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And so to choose to go knowingthat the movie has some
supernatural elements, somehorror elements was like very
deliberate because I'm like, butit's also Ryan Coogler and he
doesn't make anything that isuninteresting that there's
always multiple layers to peelback and I enjoy that
intellectual experience so muchand the beauty of how he, I
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mean, anyway, so Sinners is noteven my recommendation, but
that's to say is I saw Sinners.
And so after I saw Sinners, oneof the things I like to do is
just like consume as much mediaas I can about the things.
I'm like, I'm enjoying it moreand more.
And anybody who's ever heardRyan Coogler, like in an
interview or anything, it just,it deepens your appreciation of
him for like multiple reasons.
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I'll just leave that there.
So all I have to say is thatlistening to a lot of stuff.
But I realized this week, I cameacross a podcast that I missed
the first time because it tookme a while to see the movie.
So I was like, I was skippingepisodes of things I usually
listen to and stuff because Ididn't want to be spoiled.
But among the many conversationsabout this movie that exists
that I enjoyed, what I'mrecommending to you in podcast
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recess is Jenny Yang has a newpodcast.
She's an Asian Americancomedian, podcast host, among
other things, actress.
Her podcast is called WhatShould We Talk About?
And one of the earlier episodes,I think it came out April 28th,
is focused on sinners.
And I loved this conversationbecause it's Jenny Yang and a
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few other people representingboth Black and Asian
perspectives.
And like one of the really coolthings about sinners is the
deliberate inclusion of aChinese family in the
Mississippi Delta and like somuch interesting layered history
and commentary and things aboutthat relationship of them then.
And that I think is reallyinteresting about thinking about
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the Black-Asian relationshipnow.
And this podcast, I mean, thisconversation was so good.
And it was, I mean, it's funny,you know, it's light, it's
interesting.
They're talking about the movie,but it was just so well done.
And there were just likemultiple times during this
podcast episode where I likepaused and was like, ooh, oh,
and like would rewind to listenagain because I just liked the
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turn of phrase that were used,or I learned something myself
about the Asian-Americanexperience, or I thought about,
I got to like relive somethingsome parts of the movie in a way
that I loved.
So anyway, podcastrecommendation, What Should We
Talk About by Jenny Yang seemsto be a great podcast.
And then number two, thespecific episode on sinners that
came out April 28th is reallygood.
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One of the things, concepts theymentioned kind of towards the
end is like how like to be Asianis to be conditionally black or
conditionally white, dependingon the circumstance and what is
most convenient to whitesupremacy in that moment or in
that community or in that time.
And it was just, and then theytalk about that concept more.
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And it was like, it wasfascinating.
Anyway, that's myrecommendation.
Jenny Yang's podcast.
All right.
In the category, the nextcategory of shows.
Okay.
I, for all the reasons mentionedbefore, I don't watch that much
TV.
What happens is like, I'm prettymuch not watching anything.
I'm not watching any TV.
And then like something, forsome reason, I get some
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recommendation or somethingpasses my thing.
And I'm like, oh, this isinteresting.
And then I just like inhale itquickly, you know?
So it's not binging because Idon't have six hours to sit
around and binge.
Like it's not like that, butit'll be like that 45 minutes
before bed and not scrolling myphone.
I ended up being like watchingan episode like each night or
something for like two weeks ina row and knocking it out, like
something like that.
So that ends up how I watch TV.
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I feel like overall, I watchmore TV than I will catch a
movie because of theconvenience, but still overall,
I don't really feel like I watchthat much TV at all.
If you want to say Like what'sthe one thing that I spend most
of my time doing would bereading books.
But one show that I recently,like as in literally last night,
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I finished the most recentseason that's been on my mind is
Couples Therapy, which is onShowtime, but available via
subscription, I think throughPrime TV.
Couples Therapy, Orna is thename of the therapist.
It's so crazy because thepremise just seems so insane and
voyeuristic.
Like, It's basically like youare in the session in the room
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with couples doing couplestherapy with Orna.
Maybe there probably still istotally an element of voyeurism,
like for sure.
It is not reality TV in the waythat one might think of it for
anybody who is like, what areyou talking about?
I don't, I really can't standreality TV, but I think it's
just because the production isreally good.
I think there's a lot of thoughtabout how to kind of craft the
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stories.
And then one thing I really loveabout it is that they spend time
with the therapist Orna.
with her, with her mentor.
So she has a clinical mentorthat helps her figure out like
how to move when she gets lostor is not really sure how to
help a couple.
Then she has a peer advisorygroup that gives her different
perspectives on like on what'sgoing on, like with the couple,
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which I think is reallyinteresting.
You know what I mean?
They have some of her just likenarration, like her thoughts
about how, what we might beseeing in any given couple, like
represents larger questions ofthe collective and larger
issues.
It's really interesting.
So I like that aspect of it asbeing like more of a 360 take,
but ultimately it is about thecouples in the couples therapy.
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And this is why I find it sofascinating because I don't
think that there is a betterrepresentation that I have seen
about how much people canearnestly, like earnestly be so
wrong about how they come acrossor how much people can earnestly
be thinking one thing and actingout another or how people can so
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deeply, so earnestly feel acertain way, like be feeling a
certain way and acting in a waythat makes sense to them for
their feeling and makes sense tonobody else.
I just think it is such ahumbling show to watch to
remember how complicated and oddpeople are.
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And I mean people like humans.
I don't mean the specifics ofthe people on the show, like
just human beings and like howour thinking is layered with our
emotions, is layered with theselike unconscious impulses.
Like I'm a people person in thisway that that will just never
not be fascinating to me.
It will never not be fascinatingto me how people work like that
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and will never not help meremember and be humble to that.
And I think this is like, notthat...
Things can just be fun for fun'ssake, but I literally think it
helps me not take thingspersonally because you watch
this show and you just recognizehow people are behaving is about
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them, not you.
And obviously this is couplestherapy so that her whole point
is that yes, and then the coupleas a system has to figure this
out.
But it's just because shecreates so much safety and
there's so much openness, itjust helps to see, and I
appreciate these people who comeon this show like so much, but
it just helps to see it so well.
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So like, then when you thinkback to like somebody who you're
really frustrated with or whoyou don't understand, or
somebody comes at you in a crazyway or something, it just is a
helpful reminder.
And it's so easy to take thingspersonally, right?
Something happens to you andyou're like, you know, but it is
such a good reminder about howhumans work, which is that like,
you can take things personally.
You can do that.
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Or you can remember that humansare complicated and we are so in
our own heads and we have ourown perspective and our own lens
and we're bringing all thisstuff to the table.
And even if with all of that,like literally we have different
ways of expressing differentfeelings and thoughts and
emotions.
And I just think it's so welldone and it's fascinating to me.
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So I watched, I literally justwatched like what, 18 episodes
in like two weeks, just likefinished out.
So I watched season four,interesting in a lot of ways.
And sometimes at the end, I'llbe at the end, I'll be like,
y'all don't, y'all should goahead and break up.
I mean, I'm not the therapistfor this.
But like, I don't know aboutthis, you know, but most of the
time it's very hopeful.
That's very hopeful.
Anyway.
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So that's the show couplestherapy season four.
Okay.
I have one more podcast and thena book.
All right.
So my podcast recommendation isvery random, but I I'm sure I'm
not the only person that'shappened to just because of how
viral this moment was.
So I'm a wicked fan, been a fanof the wicked musical for a long
time.
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One of my, the most magical likenights I had in New York was
like, you know, being a brokestudent.
and like winning the lottery togo.
They did Outside the Wickedoutside the theater for$20
tickets to sit in the front tworows to see the show.
And that was the first time I'dever seen it.
I saw it with the second cast,not the first cast, but the
second cast.
So like, I just want you tounderstand the love goes deep.
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The love goes deep.
Listened to the soundtrack sincethat time, loved it.
So, you know, when the moviecame out, I was like all over,
very excited to see the movieand then taking in the
incredible performance presstour run.
They were literally everywhere.
So I, like many of you listeningand maybe not like many of you
saw the like interview clip withCynthia Erivo and this brown
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haired woman from Australia whowas talking about how wicked for
her as somebody who's part ofthe neurodiverse community, she
has ADHD and autism and how muchshe feels so represented by the
story of wicked and Glenda andAlphaba.
And they just like have thislike nice exchange and there's,
you know, Everybody getsemotional.
But this woman just has such aninteresting spirit and
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expression.
And so I remember seeing a clip.
So then I was like, oh, I wantto see this full interview.
I want to find this.
So then I went to find the fullinterview.
And I realized, oh, she is avery famous person in Australia.
I had not heard of her, but veryfamous over there.
And she has a podcast called EmSalation.
Her name is Em Rossiano.
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Her podcast is called EmSalation Podcast.
And it's a podcast with her andher her best friend, Michael
Lewis.
And I'll talk about theconnection there.
And so I was like, oh, so I wentto the podcast so I could watch
the full interview.
It was even better.
The full interview was evenbetter than the clip.
And then that led me to likewatching episodes of the
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podcast.
So the podcast is a podcast, butit's also on YouTube.
So you go either way.
And it's just so funny.
I mean, it's totally just likepop culture commentary.
I think the reasons I like itare multitude.
One is the American obsessionwith accents.
So, you know, they'reAustralian.
So it's fun to listen to themtalk.
to it's interesting to heartheir perspective on pop culture
events that feel very American.
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It's like a reminder of howglobal this culture is in a way.
So like, I just find it funnyand interesting.
I will say that during theelection, they have like a lot
of commentary about the electionand about, you know, Kamala
versus Trump.
Obviously they are, obviously,obviously, you know, stand
against everything that Trumprepresents.
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Otherwise, why would I belistening to this?
But like that part was actuallya little difficult.
I find it difficult to listen totheir commentary on American
politics, but I think it'sbecause I am jealous of the fact
that they have the distance thatthey do.
You know what I mean?
Because our politics are insane.
And when you're not in it andsubject to it so directly as
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those of us here in this countryare, it is entertaining.
I mean, it's insanelyentertaining.
And so for me, it's just hard tolisten to because I'm like, I
wish I could have this distancefrom this insane insanity that
we are living in right now.
And they do recognize like, Imean, they're in Australia, like
they recognize a part of theWestern world.
They recognize all thoseconnections.
But I will just say for thosewho go, listen, I tend to kind
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of jump past parts where they'respecifically talking about
American politics for thatreason.
But yeah, they're really funny.
They have interesting takes onlike what's happening pop
culture wise.
It's like a really well doneshow.
Like she is very good at this.
It's really interestingrepresentation from the
neurodiverse city community.
And she has a lot of thoughtsabout that and about how autism
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and ADHD show up in women.
And she is a white woman.
Her host is a white man.
I think they're pretty aware ofthat lens.
She definitely highlights a lotof people of color on the
podcast and makes a point.
And she has very progressiveviews and all that.
But, you know, there are stilltimes when it just like it's
like, OK, this is very white.
You know, they're just timeslike that.
I mean, not not most of thetime.
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Otherwise, honestly, I wouldn'tlisten to it.
But that's to say that's true.
Now, here, I think, is whatreally got me is that.
So this best friend of hers,Michael Lewis, is a
screenwriter.
And so he He was thescreenwriter and showrunner for
this show in Australia calledThe Newsreader, which, I mean,
it's like an incredible show.
It's an Australian show.
It actually got nominated for aninternational Emmy for best
drama.
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Okay, one of the stars of TheNewsreader is Anna Torv.
Okay, Anna Torv is the sameperson who starred in the
potentially, I feel like,underrated, undervalued, amazing
supernatural slash crime showFringe.
Fringe was so good.
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Y'all shout out to all of theFringe fans.
It was such a good show.
I think it went, did it go threeseasons?
I just remember the last seasonwas like really a mess, but
season one and season two.
Oh my God.
Season one.
Oh my, I mean, one of the bestseasons of television, in my
opinion, truly was season one.
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Anyway, so Fringe.
So I was like, oh my gosh.
So it just, even that connectiongot me excited.
One, it reminded me how much Ilove French.
So that took me down like, oh,I'm going to watch a couple
episodes of French to remindmyself how good it was.
It was just as good as Iremember.
And Anna Torv, I was like, oh,this actress has done more.
Tell me.
Tell me more.
So that made me actually go andfind the newsreader.
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It was kind of hard to findbecause it was in Australia.
But then I went and watched.
I ended up watching the firstseason and a little bit, I
think, of the last season, justbecause Michael talks about it
on the show enough that I wasintrigued.
And it was exceptional.
And her Her co-star in thenewsreader is the dude who plays
Lestat in the new interview withthe vampire.
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So you see how all theseconnections, random.
But anyway, all that to say isto come back to the
recommendation is the Emsolationpodcast.
It's just, it's irreverent.
It's funny.
It's totally just culture.
It's totally just pop culturetakes.
Oh, and the other thing I likeabout it as an American listener
is half of the things they talkabout and half of the
references, I don't know whatthe hell they're talking about.
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Because it's somethingAustralian and that is kind of
fun.
Because, like, it's funny howsometimes I don't even need the
reference for, like, whatthey're talking about to be
funny or whatever, you know?
But then also, like, then thereare some times where I'm, like,
intrigued enough by theconversation to, like, go and
find, like, what is this thinggoing on in Australia?
So, Insolation Podcast, totalrecommendation.
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I actually went up and, like,I'm, like, one of the
subscribers.
I mean, it's, like, a coupledollars a week or something, so
I can get, like, the extra,like, the extra podcast that
they do in the video becauseit's, like, that entertaining to
me.
All right.
So, we're rounding out to myfourth recommendation.
And I think I'm not going tooverly structure myself going
forward with these podcastrecess recommendations, but I
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think I will try to do like foureach time just to keep it not
too long, but interesting.
So this is a little bit of acheat because I haven't actually
read this yet.
I just know it's going to begood.
I just know it's going to begood.
So I just found this outyesterday.
This is hot off the press,y'all.
Naomi Novik.
is an author that I love for alot of reasons.
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One, she most recently wrote theSchool of Mance trilogy.
That was a New York Timesbestseller.
So maybe a lot of you read it.
I think it might be technicallyYA, but like, I don't know.
I mean, it's deep.
I put this on my Instagram.
I have this like very elaboratebook recommendation section on
my Instagram.
But I think what I talked aboutit is that it's very like, you
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know, has DNA from Harry Potter,right?
It's a school of, you know,magicians, school of people who
can do magic.
But that is about it.
I mean, when I tell you itdiverges from there, but it is
such a clear commentary abouteducation and class and
corruption, but incrediblyentertaining, incredibly
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interesting.
I will say it is dark.
I mean, it's deep and it's dark,but it's very well done.
It's not so dark you can't readit.
It's not that level becauseobviously, like I said, I'm too
sensitive for that.
Like I wouldn't read somethingthat would take me down that
far.
But, oh man, by the end of thethird book, I just, it's one of
those things you close the bookand you're just thinking, you're
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like, yeah, I mean, evilendures.
It's just, it's really good.
Anyway, so she's amazing fromthat.
But before that, she wrote allthe dragon, the books that were
like His Majesty's Dragon.
It was basically like aretelling of the Napoleonic
Wars, if there were dragons atthe time.
And if that sounds crazy to you,think about how hard that would
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be to write.
Like her ability to research andbe historically accurate, but
then so creative and sointeresting.
Nobody else could get me to reada series about the Napoleonic
Wars.
I don't care.
Just because, and then throwsome dragons in it.
So yes, I know everybody, rightnow, Onyx Storm and Rebecca
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Yaros are all the rage,whatever.
I will just say, I'm sorry, I'man OG Naomi Novik dragon girl,
okay?
I mean, that series also got alittle shaky towards the end,
but I just thought it was reallygood but here's the reason why
I'm really a fan of Naomi Novikbecause before she was doing
this she was a fan fiction likegoddess okay like main big name
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amazing stories well writteninteresting like I loved to see
her transition to traditionalpublishing because I was just
like it's insane to me that thisperson is just like writing fan
fiction that we're all justreading for free this makes no
sense like she is so talented sothat's just to say it has been
decades probably at this pointthat I've been a fan of this
woman.
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So that's why I feel comfortablerecommending that I just found
out that she just released a newbook of short stories called
Buried Deep.
And what is really cool is thatapparently it's a book of short
stories of like short storiesthat take place in each of these
different worlds she's created.
She has a whole nother worldthat's kind of alternative fairy
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tales.
I read those.
I like them enough, but I likethe other too much more.
So yeah, I'm really excitedabout this.
And And then there's one shortstory included that is a short
story from a new world, like anew series she's working on.
Are you kidding me?
Sign me up.
So I'm very excited because Ialready requested it at my
library and it's coming.
It's in my hold section.
So I'm just going to go pick itup as soon as it shows up,
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probably tomorrow.
And so I'm excited to startthat.
So Buried Deep by Naomi Novik.
Other Novik fans out there, ifyou decide to pick this up and
read it, let me know.
And that is the podcast recesstoday.
I hope that you take at leastone of these recommendations and
have actual recess time.
Go have fun.
Go do something that is notwork.
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Go do something that is notself-improvement.
Go do something that is likegenuinely enjoyable.
It is true that a lot of myrecommendations underneath have
some level of self-improvementin them, but that's just who I
am.
If you go check out any ofthese, please let me know.
Y'all come find me.
Come find me on the socials,K-E-M-I-D-O-L-L, my full
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Or if there's something specificthat you want to hear me talk
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