March 19: AI Guilt

• Was it just turned off? 
• Date or Mate 
• Throwing Consumer Law Into the Convo 
• AI Guilt
• MAKE MY DAY 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
A long time ago, in a lab far far away,
a science experiment went horribly wrong.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Out of that busy rolls Zach, and have you ever
like this like James happened?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
When's second Kiss?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
This is Zak and don Ah. Yes, welcome along to
the show if you want an insight into what it's
like to work with my co host Zachmander. Here we
are just at the radio station SERI A Kiss on
a Wednesday night. We've been here for you know, half
an hour or so getting everything ready, and Zach's brought
in a vintage camera that he's been using to take
photos for the last half hour.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I haven't taken any yet, taken too long to set up.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
When I producer clear, I said, what's going on with
the vintage camera? And you said, well, I had some
film that I had to use. Anyone who shoots film
will know when you get to the end of the role.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
It's a bit annoying, yeah, because you can't just cut
a roll with five shots left. But then you don't
want to waste five shots. You got to think of
something to take the photos with.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
This will be a.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Problem for current vintage camera users and anyone who was.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Alive in the nights. I'm just remember those.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Days, like, we're doing a show around the country, and
I just thought maybe you'd switch on be ready to
want me to do?

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Well, what are you doing over there?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Get in the show? Ready? You went and got the
cardboard cut out of the Breakfast show.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Ye, I need it as a stand in, said the focus.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
This is all reasonable starts. I bet you're over there
on Facebook or something. I'm getting ready for the show. Sure,
you probably got the AFL highlights up like.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
You usually do.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Okay, I hear you listening to them over there.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, I don't often listen to the AFL highlights. That's
me editing my Brisbolle Lines podcast. Right. No, we were
switched on show and we know what we're doing, and hey,
we've got a big one coming your way over the
next couple of hours coming up after this, Zach, speaking
of producer Clear, she was just telling us of a
mortifying moment she's had trying to get a refund on something,
returning something to office works that she thought she was

(02:11):
in the right, And this happens sometimes you go in
so confident, so sure that you're in the right, and
then only to discover midway through the process that actually
the mistake might have been on your end.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, this can be awkward.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
We'll find out what it was up next the Zack
and Domb podcast dom. Sometimes you think you're in the
right when you march into a store to return something,
and sometimes you are quickly proven wrong. Now what happens
next is completely up to you. And that's what producer
Claire situation she found herself in.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
When you were returning a.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Keyboard you were positive was broken, and then what did
you realize when you handed it.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Over There may have been an on and off switch
that I'd never seen it in my life.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
So, yeah, give us the story. So this is a
really ritzy I've seen you using this eless keyboard here.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
He was like over one hundred dollar keyboard, right, Yeah,
it's my little treat to myself at work is this
little keyboard. And I took it home and I gave
it to my two year old son to play with.
It then didn't work. So I spent an entire day
finding this receipt so that I could take it back
and be like, it doesn't work, I need to have
it a new keyboard.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Now, clearly this was bold of you to begin with
because because even if the thing was broken, probably your
two year old son broke it more likely than it
being faulty and defective.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
No one but everyone now listening.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Yeah, I mean when you walked into office works, I'm
sure you were like, yeah, I keep it interesting.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
It was missing your key.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, so you've tried to troubleshoot it, you found the receipt,
You've marched in, put on your best indignant face. I'm
ready to bargue this.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
They even said to me, well, it's past thirty days,
and I said, well, consumer law allows me to reach.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
You dropped a low glad. You can't drop consumer low.
Don't be that person.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
I didn't notice the off at that point.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
So you think while they're processing it, you noticed the
on off switch. You think, oh no, I never saw
that before. Maybe it was just switched off. So did
you let them know that that was the issue.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Oh no, I spent way too long on this. I
was too far in at this point.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Once you say consume a law, can.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
You imagine if I went, sorry, hang on, no, never mind.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I've just wasted you got you got the refund.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I got a new keyboard. It was just as well.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
So hang on a second. So literally the people at
the store are looking at the keyboard, they're looking at
over trying to figar out what's wrong, and it's only
then that you spotted there's an on off switch. At
that moment, I.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Swear I've never touched that switch in my life. And
to be honest, when I got the new keyboard, I
didn't have to turn it on.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yeah, I wonder what it was for them, But thirteen
one six five, wondering if this has ever happened to
anyone else.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Was it just turned off?

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Did you ask for some text support or get someone
around to the house, And then, to your embarrassment, while
they're looking at it, it turns it was just turned off,
because I've been in this situation before. Dom humiliatingly, actually,
I got someone out to look at the air conditioning.
Oh no, and they went straight because back when I
was like twenty two, I lived in this.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Apartment and we had no money.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, and so he goes over to the fuse box
and opens it up and he's like, well, here's the problem.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
The switch has been turned off, And at.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
That moment I remembered how I had turned it off
to try to stop I tried to stop the temptation
of using it because we're trying to save money.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
And I was like that I turned that.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Off like a year ago, last summer, and I've forgotten
about it since.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
So the guy fixed it.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
In like thirty seconds and just thought that I was
a bit of an idiot.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, see the thing, at least in your story, there's
no harm done. In Clear's story, are perfectly good keyboards
in landfill?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, I feel bad about that.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, but consumer law gave you every right to do
what you did.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah. I'm pretty sure no one knows what consumer law
actually is. I think people just throw that around there.
If you're in any situation and you just like with
it a purchase you're making, and you just say the
words consumer law, you get what you want. It doesn't
question after I said, no, of course he does.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
Thirteen one oh six five? Was it just turned off
when you ask for help?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
And I'd also we'd love to hear if this has
happened to you or someone you know, but also if
you're like an IT specialist yourself.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
I think it happens when young people help their parents
with technology. Yes, it's like you know, you go over
your mum or your Dad's like, oh, there's a problem
with the VCR. The fox tells playing up and you're like,
you just haven't turned it on at the wall.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Look they'd in one o six five. Did you think
you had to take issue or did you come across
to take issue only to find that the thing was
actually just turned off? Has this happened to anyone else before?

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Vern in Melbourne on thirteen one oh six five, This
happened to you with a dishwasher?

Speaker 4 (06:47):
What's the story?

Speaker 6 (06:49):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (06:49):
Man, yeah, same Sorry. I was just listening to this
some time ago and I was like, oh, the same
thing happened to me. And yeah, I just moved into
the south in the city and the dish washer wasn't
completely working at all. Tried hitting all the buttons, nothing

(07:10):
would work. And I'm like, okay, there's definitely some issue here.
Called up warranty the warrant.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, And and what happened.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
I called warranty people.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
They sent out a technician after a few days, and
then the technician came through. Okay, I told them, look,
it's not working. I think they should be seven years
warranty in it, so just check and fix it up.
And things like that, and he's like, okay, I'll have
a look, and and he just started to bend down

(07:46):
and go towards right off, you know, the dish washing
a little bit and opened the other cabinet and started
going down. And then there was the plug attached to
the electricity.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
And it was it wasn't turned on exactly, Yes, wasn't
turned on.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
Once you get the technician out, it can get to
get a bit awkward kind of well, that's.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
It, because I mean, if you realize it yourself, it's
one thing. If the technician from the warranty has come
out to have a look, that's a whole different beast.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
And we got Paula, this was your dad. What's the story.

Speaker 9 (08:20):
Oh, well, we've been I picked him up to go
away for a week and then we dropped him home.
And then I was about forty five minutes from his
place and he rings me and he goes, you've got
to come back, And I said why, and he goes,
so my computer won't connect to the internet. The internet
won't work. And after about I don't know, five or

(08:42):
six minutes of going through all the things that you
could possibly be wrong, I said, did you turn the
power off on your internet?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh no, and he had.

Speaker 9 (08:52):
And he did, and he goes, oh wow, look it works.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Now Why did he do that?

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Why had he turned it off? What's the When would
you ever turn off the internet?

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (09:03):
Because he's eighty one years old and old people like
to turn everything then they go away, I said, I said,
it's like you don't turn your fridge off when you
go away, don't turn.

Speaker 9 (09:16):
The internet off.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
That's a good point. That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Have you noticed that, don that old people like to
turn things?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Everything has to be turned off? Yeah? Certain? Is this
your parent?

Speaker 4 (09:24):
It is.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Like how often, like if you go out to the
shop or is it like a weekend trip, like if
they're going to weigh Every power point in the house
needs to be turned off except the fridge and freezer
that they get to stay. But everything else turned off
because you don't want to waste electricity? Mate, phantom electricity?
Is that what's happening? I don't know, that's what they say.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
I don't know if the internet's using much though, right?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah? Is it? Have no clue?

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Leah in Sydney you couldn't figure out how to turn
on a car.

Speaker 8 (09:52):
I'm mortified. So we got the car. It was a hybrid,
first push button car I've ever had.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (10:00):
My husband was in Melbourne at the time, and I
was mucking around with it because you can start it
from your phone, so I downloaded this app, tried to start.
It didn't work. The next day, I leave to go
to work and my car wouldn't start with the push
button yep. So I called Toyota. They're like, oh, you
need to call roadside assistance. I had them come out.
I was The car was two months old, and I

(10:22):
was a Karen. I'm telling you, I.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Was so rude. Did you say the words consumer lawlia
I did, Oh, incredible, okay, yeah, and what was the
issue the end?

Speaker 8 (10:36):
Well, I took my laptop and I said, I'm working
from your office until you fix my car. When I
was there for four hours and I had pushed a
button in that stupid display monitor and I turned off
the push to start. Do you have kids and I
said yeah, I've got two, And they said have they
been touching your car? I said it's school holidays. I

(10:58):
said they're with my mom or someone's pushed the button
and I denied it. Who I was blewing it.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Of course you could have used the kids there.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh no, actually, yeah, they were in there this morning. Actually,
now you say that, I do remember seeing one of
them just fiddling with buttons.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, there's that moment.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I think the particular pain there and it's a bit
similar to Claire's story is when you've been so self righteous.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, well taking to your laptop.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
There there, I'm going to sit in your seat.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
That's incredible and it was your first take a little longer.
Love it.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
You're listening to the Zach and Dom podcast.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Almost this is a national vibe check.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
If you're listening with more than one person, it's you
and someone else. Give us a call on thirteen one
I sixty five because we believe with just one question,
we can figure out the nature of your relationship, whether
it's romantic or platonic, whether your dates or mates.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Baby, that's how it works. And we are kicking it
off with Tiani and Bevon on thirty one A six five.
Hey question for you, Tianni, I'm curious, what's an actor
who looks a little bit like Bevan or a famous person?
Oh god, just first name that came to mind. Someone
who looks a little bit like Bevan and Bevin, you're

(12:15):
getting the same question back about Tianni. So you start thinking,
what are you got Tianni? Okay and Bevan, what about Tianni?

Speaker 7 (12:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
What is no famous person comes to mind looks a
little bit like her? How about even in spirit? That
doesn't help?

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Classic mister Bean is I.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Mean genuinely being silent there, They can't be a couple.
I don't know if you would describe your partner as
I mean, if Sarah described you as looking like mister Bean,
and if Bevin didn't just immediately name one of like
Hollywood superstars, superstar, you know, or a superd of the law,
a famously beautiful person for his partner, you think they

(13:03):
would cause some troubles as well, don't you think? Yeah,
I mean we're going to say you guys are not
a couple.

Speaker 8 (13:09):
Can we tell you if we are or not?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Now?

Speaker 8 (13:11):
Yeah, we are?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
You are a couple. Tianni. And you think he looks
like mister Bean. That's not very nice in a good way.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
Like they've got like similar like facial features, but it's
like in a good way.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, And are you okay with that? Bevan?

Speaker 8 (13:28):
I'm pretty funny, It's right, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I mean, I'm just I hold concerns. I like it.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
What do you mean, Well, because it's a couple who
can have a bit of a laugh together.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well, that's true, and you've got to have a laugh
these days, don't you.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Chloe and Bailey in Sydney. Chloe, what did Bailey give
you for Christmas?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
He gave me an iPhone sixteen?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Wow, it's pretty good. And Bailey, what did Chloe give you?

Speaker 8 (13:56):
She got me to ship to Balley.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Oh goodness, you guys first, if you're not a couple, yeah,
shelling out.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, I mean, that's an incredibly generous gift to give
you a significant other. If you're just mates or family,
that's waiting. You guys have to be together, right, you're
a couple.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
Just I just got to match it. I just got
to match it to match the president.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
You knew, did you?

Speaker 1 (14:17):
You knew?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I didn't.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
I didn't know.

Speaker 8 (14:19):
That's a surprise to me. But you know what I mean, Like,
I got to put my finger out.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
That's true. You did give a good president.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Often we hear these stories where the female gives a
great president. It's like, oh, the guy still ows me.
He's thinking about it. Still yes, he said he doesn't
believe in presence. Remember we had that one.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. Let's wrap it up with
Abby and Tom on thirteen one o six fibers we
play date or mate? Hey? Tom, how long have you
known Abby? Nine years? Abby? Is that correct? Yes? Okay? Interesting?

(14:57):
Now the reason I went for this.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
It will tell me that because you've got one word
out and I'm not sure if it was enough.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, the cliche is that they're in romantic relationships that
are interosexual, that the guy often doesn't doesn't know how
long the anniversary has been, and so I thought maybe
he'd give an answer and she'd disagree, and that would
give us an insight into the dynamic of their relationship.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
We're going to fly pretty blind here.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, here's what we know. They're not and we've had
this before, mother and son or father and.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Daughter unless Abbey's nine years of But even in the
one word didn't sound like a nine year old.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
So they also probably aren't siblings. That's so you could
have a nine year difference, Well you could, that doesn't matter.
They've known each other. Yeah, so they either have to
be literally just friends or colleagues or a couple together.
I think, are you guys a couple? Yeah, let me go,
that's how it works.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
And are you happy that Tom news pretty much straight
off the top of his head.

Speaker 8 (15:58):
Well, I wish I said what I was gonna say,
because I've actually known him since birth.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
But we've been dating nine years.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Ah, how have you known each other since birth?

Speaker 8 (16:09):
As my godmother is his auntie and that's how we met.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, I always feel like I need a diagram. Her
godmother is his auntie. Just on a technicality, probably not
from birth. What do you mean he wasn't in the room.
Please don't shout to their wedding and ruin the speech.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Say in the first year he could say babies, but
not from birth on a technicality.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
All right, all right, this is second m zach. A
little earlier in the show, we were talking with producer Claire,
who took a perfectly working keyboard just with the on
off switch turned off, thinking it was faulty, back to
try to get a refund. And in the last half
hour or so, Claire's been telling us that the line

(16:59):
she pulled out to the person at the store about
I know consumer law is actually a phrase that she
has used numerous times before.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Are you a type of person who is pretty well
versed in returning things?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I'm very good at legit. No, the consumer law.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
So what's the consumer law that you're referring to? That
because you said it was outside the thirty days?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Can you return something outside the thirty days?

Speaker 3 (17:23):
It needs to last an expected amount of time? That
like all what you can return? Well, you can't, like
a fridge dies, right, I'm gonn one you warranty. It's
expected that that fridge should last you at least five.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
So expect this is good.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
This is good for people. This is information you can
actually use.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
Can you give us three things we should know that
we might not know about your ability to return things?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, yeah, so that's one.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
That's fine. So let's do that one again.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
So what is it?

Speaker 4 (17:57):
A product has to last a reasonable.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Amount of the amount of time?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, the expected life of that product. So like if
you think about any products, say it's a lounge, how
long would you say you would expect a lounge to
last ten years?

Speaker 2 (18:09):
It can't be a gut feel thing. The law rarely
works on gut feet.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Been a reasonable the law is actually more often than not,
what a reasonable person would expect.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Okay, right, that's why you have judges because they interpret it.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
True. So what you're saying, so when you said five
years for a fridge, that's not You don't have a
chart that says fridge five years. That's you saying, Yeah,
five years seems reasonable.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
You can google what's the expected time that?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
And there is articles and stuff out there. I have
three stories of when I've used consumer latch to myself. Okay, yeah,
I thought i'd see which ones you liked the I
had six months of free fox till at one stage,
back in the day before Netflix. Yeah, I had a
phone plan canceled within six months of getting said floone
plays okay, and I also got a free washing machine.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
All on consumer law, all on consume Okay. I want
to hear about the washing machine.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Yeah, because sometimes they throw like Foxdale might throw you
a few months free. I can imagine that one. I
think with a phone. I don't know what happened, but
I think if you really kicked up a stink, you
might be able to get out of it. But how
did you get a free dishwasher?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
It was a free washing machine washing. So basically this
washing machine we originally bought was a Seconds World type
of one. And what like seconds, well, like those second
stores where they've had a ding.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Or there someone's returned something. It was like a display model, that.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Type of thing, right, there's certain stores that sell just those,
and it was technically recalled for that model. But the
brand told me, well, yours was already in a seconds
which means that it has already been voided, so we
don't have to.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Return your one.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
That seems unfair, and so I pulled out good old
consumer and a bit of thesmen as well. Oh took
me nine months. Wow, but I now have to this
day my free washing.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Was I hang on, Claire, how did you learn all
of this stuff about consumer or and the ombudsman ombardson? Well,
I didn't even have pronounce that word.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
A lot of googling, to be honest, but also just
weird special interests, I.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Guess because some people.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
My mum was always good at this.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
She almost enjoyed returning things.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
It was like a hobby for her, whereas like some
other people, I know that they'll just take the hit
because they don't want the confrontation. You like it, so clarify,
I see your eyes right now, I have a car
that's two years old and the steering wheel the painter
has started coming off the steering wheel right.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Returned the whole car just so.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
No, but I could get them to replace the steering wheel, right.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Well, yeah, it's not lasting as expected.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Because I'm going to drive in a similar situation.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
My stewheel starting to become undone and it's only like
five years old. So I'm doing the same thing.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
So I'm going to get a car service in the
next month or so, and I'm getting it done at
the dealership.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I am, And I mean thinking, what do I say?
So I pull in and I just if they kick
up a stink and won't fix it, I say consumer lore.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
No, it's not as passwords.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
What do you mean?

Speaker 7 (21:15):
Like?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's so if I just look at them and say
just consumeer or nothing else, that won't worry. That wa't work.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
I think you need to formulate a play, like a
few sentences you might put together.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Say you it's out of warranty. You can say did
not last the reasonable expected time that a steering wheel
should last, or the paint on a steering wheel should last. Right,
if it's only two years old you'd expect paint to
uphold longer than that.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
And if they still say no, then I say ombudsman.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Then you call the I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Maybe I can take you with me, Claire. It feels
like you're the one.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
I think you think that this is some type of
cheek code like left right, up, down circle or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
You're listening to the Zach and Dom podcast. Zach, I'm
finding my off in an unusual situation with AI at
the moment, and I don't know if this is just
me or if someone else has found themselves here too.
Have you been using meta AI at all?

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Not recently when it first came out. I'll do it
to generate photos you love.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Doing that good old fun, and then you can get
them to animate the photos.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Yeah, endless fun. Well, actually it wasn't endless because I
found out.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
You're only allowed to do ten a day. Yeah, I
think they might have opened that limit. Now you're back in.
But basically, yeah, you go into meta AI on Instagram
or Facebook Messenger and you can say, hey, can you
design a film poster for me for a film called
Zach and the Mighty Ducks, which I know is a
dream of yours to be one of the mighty ducks,
and it will come up within a few seconds that

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will design a poster for you.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, I mean it's remarkable how quickly it can do things.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, it is never particularly usable, very rarely is it usable. No,
But I mean it's like cool to play with, and
it makes for group chats. It's a bit of fun
for creating funny images. You can send three to your
friends that are relevant to the group chat. It's a
whole I mean, in the past you've had to go
on to fiver and pay someone in La fifty bucks
to make that joke movie poster. Now you get a

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version right away. And so I've been more and more
in the last month or two using meta AI because
I feel like in the group chats I'm in, it's
my credibility skyrocketed.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Oh with the AI. Yeah yeah, what type of things
are you doing? Is it all movie posters?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
There's been a lot of movie I think about it,
but not just movie posters. There's been other things too,
album covers, things like that. Yeah, you know, someone will
make a joke and then Dom heads over to meta
AI and so wait, you're just vulturing off other people's
jokes you sometimes sometimes they're my own jokes.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
So you take their joke, you basically put it into
Beta AI and add album cover it to the end
of it.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Pretty much. Yeah, no, no, no more to the point, Let's
say I'm in a group chat like I was recently,
and there was a disagreement about what the split was
for dinner, and someone called one of the other friends
in the group cheap and said, well, you're just being
check here, and they said, I'm not being cheap, And
so I went over and to meta AI and said,
can you make a film poster about that person's name

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and being cheap or something like that? Why would that
be a film poster? Because I was like, you've just.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
You're really locked in the corner of film posters.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well, what other images can you create me? What other
images can you create? Anyway, I'm having a lot of
fun with it, but then I've started noticing lately that
what's happening is if it doesn't quite give me the
image I like, I'll say, could you make it slightly
different like this? And after three or four terms of
meta AI making an image for me even if it's
not what I want, I feel guilty asking for a

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fifth revision, I feel like, because I mean, if it
was a human being, you'd be like, I've already asked
them three times. I can't ask for another one. And
I don't know what it is. But there's something about
my messaging with Meta AI. I don't know if I
expect that it's about to get short with me and
be like what was wrong with the other three versions?
But I honestly am feeling too guilty to ask a
fourth time. Right, See, it's got me stuck.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
You're thinking of it as a human, but yes, it's
convinced you because of its interface. Yeah, but it's actually
a robot, so it doesn't have emotions.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
I just want to know it's not going to get upset.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
What I'm getting at is I understand it makes no
rational sense. I'm aware of that, but I'm saying emotionally,
I feel a bit of guilt. I feel bad asking
AI to do too much, but not on an ethical level.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
This is it, like I because I'm taking away from
human creative No, No, because you're asking it to do yeah,
a lot of work?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, yeah, I just feel like you know it deserves
a prick too. I don't know. I want to know.
I'm thirteen one oh six five. If anybody else feels
guilty asking AI to do too much, Like if you're
on chat, GPT or something and you've sent a couple
of messages through and asked for clarification or help with
something or write this for me, do you feel bad

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asking for clarifications or revisions or asking for another version
of the event because I think AI guilt might I mean,
it's just me, but I feel like this might be
an actual thing people are feeling.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
That you're you feel guilty for asking the machine to
do too much work?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah, But do you feel guilty if you Google too much?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Well? No, but I'm not really asking Google. There's no
relationship there.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
It is the exact same thing.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well yeah, but I feel is it because it says
high to me?

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Yeah, that's why you're very easily Like you put eyes
on something, and DOM has an attachment. You could put
googly eyes on the Yeah. Honestly, I think if you
put googly eyes on your appliances in your kitchen, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
That would be an interesting study.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
I think you would be less likely to throw them
out and you'd get emotional.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
You think I'd form emotional attachments to the toaster. Yes,
because it has eyes on it.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And if you've got if you've got a speech trouble
that said morning Dom, Yes, it would have a name.
It be Tim the toaster by the end of the
week thirty one six five. Do you feel this guilt
but you just want a yes or no? Justed in Melbourne,
do you resonated all with AI guilt?

Speaker 6 (27:04):
I think you're an idiot. I think AI doesn't have feelings.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, that's true. I guess that's kind of hard to
argue with, to be honest, I mean I know that
that's true, Justin, But can't you understand if you ask
somebody to do something, even if that somebody is an
artificial intelligence, a whole heap of times, you can feel
the guilt that would come through, wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 (27:24):
No?

Speaker 6 (27:24):
I wouldn't because I have actually experienced what you're get into,
because I actually asked AI to send an email to
my friend over in the UK, and you know I
didn't have any feelings.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I didn't have any feelings.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
I was happy to do it.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Well, now, one thing I do do that people have
pointed out is I use manners.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
What do you do. Do you mean please?

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Can you do this with aar?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So here's you giving me. But it's not because I
think that the computer has feelings.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I just think it's it's what it's good practice.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
What do you mean good practice? Well, I'm using you know,
office etiquette, office. I reckon. What it is is you're
scared that AI is going to take over, right, and
you want some database that shows you as one of
the more respectful humans.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
This guy said, please, we won't eat him.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
We won't eat him. They probably will eat us. You reckon,
they'll eat humans? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
How okay? Thirty one O six five?

Speaker 4 (28:20):
We are that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yes, but you're they don't need nutrition? No, no, no, not
just just for the fun of it, for the sport
we're asking thirty one day six five. Does anyone else
like me feel guilty when they ask AI to do
too much? We've got Melanie in brizzy. Melanie, do you
resonate with this at all?

Speaker 10 (28:44):
No?

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Dom, it's not amazing.

Speaker 6 (28:46):
You're human?

Speaker 8 (28:47):
So why trust AI?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
What what do you mean?

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Why trust it?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah? But that's we're not doing about why I trust it.
We're talking about you trust it?

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Melanie no, why not, I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
What are you scared of happening?

Speaker 10 (29:06):
It's tracking me.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
If something specifically happened to you to make you think that.

Speaker 8 (29:14):
No, I don't like Siri.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
Yeah, you turn on Siri and then she listens to
your conversations.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, I don't like that, So why.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Turn on AI and have everything listened to?

Speaker 6 (29:27):
Well?

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Remember when they found out that the TVs were listening
and like they hadn't disclosed it. I forget what company
that was, but that did happen and they're like, whoops, yeah,
by the way, we've been listening the whole time.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Well yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Like no one's actually it's not like there's a human
there with headphones. It's more like, you know, they were
using it to train their voice activations.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
It's what they say. But there's so much data, though,
what could you do with it? Are you telling me?
If you actually TV company and there was like a
database that you could you could access, Well.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
I don't think a human could access it, but if
they could, that would be scary.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yes, because I'm just saying, would you attempted to listen?
I would be It's like big brother.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Well, we know that the microphones always record in here.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Well, yeah, we do. Not all the bosses do. We've
had bosses come into here, whether it Mike's Alreadys recording
and say things they probably shouldn't that. In one A
six y five, we're asking if anyone else feels guilt
when they ask Ai to do too much. Finally, I
think there's someone who's with me, Matt in Melbourne. You
feel this, Matt, Yeah I do. Yeah, thank you. Matt.

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Tell us about what it is for you. What is
it that goes on in your soul when you're doing this?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Oh? Well, so, like I'm a musician, so I make
music and sometimes I asked chat bt to like write
me some music, and sometimes it's really good, and I'm
just like, oh, you know, it's kind of like them
taking all the credit, you know, but they don't really
get the credit, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I love it? Right, So you feel you feel like
everyone's like, that's so good, and you feel like the
true artist is sitting to the side of stage going
no one ever gives me the spotlight.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's pretty much.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
I like that they'll know in the Robot Uprising that
they'll take their revenge and.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
This is what I mean. I feel like there is
because that'll be the last thing they get, and they'll
get it. They'll understand emotion eventually.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
And they think with you, they'll come to you and
they No, he was nice. He stopped after three requests.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
He's yeah, only three requests. Well, mate, you're saying please
and thank you.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
But that's just a good way of writing.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I reckon you and I. AI is going to keep us.
Everyone else is screwed. I think you and I are
going to survive.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Would you want to live in a world where you're
the only one who survives it's just you and AI?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
It was me and you at this point, Mate, you're
surviving as well. Longer.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
When I saw it was just you and me, I
asked to take me.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
This is second off, you're here meet my day.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Every single day's a holiday. But the sad thing is,
and this really tugs at our heart strings. Oh yeah,
a lot of these holidays you've probably never heard of
because they need a lot of help. They need some
people to get the word out, and that's what we
vowed to do. So each night I bring two holidays
to the show, each occurring in the next twenty four hours.
You and I have to pick one each to become
ambassadors for and commit to raising awareness of these lesser

(32:27):
known holidays.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Were started about to move into the third part of March,
the twentieth of March tomorrow. What do we go our?

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Thursday, March twenty is alien Abduction Day?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Now? Is this a day to get abducted?

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Or do if you wanted to?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I think you really wanted to commit to it.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Remember, I asked more about like sharing stories.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Yes, because you almost got abducted.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Okay, for the last bloody time, because this has come
up so much happened. I saw a very suspicious set
of lights in the sky that anyone would have been
surprised about. I filmed it. I brought it to the show,
thinking I had an exclusive for the show that i'd
seen Alien life. Turns out it was Elon Musk's starlink,
which if you google image that does look bloody weird

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in the sky. And ever since then, I mean called
an idiot. No, what was just the way you went
about it.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
You told me that you had the best footage that
anyone's ever taken of a UFO.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I thought I did, I thought I did. I honestly thought,
I'm not even joking. I thought there was a reasonable
chance you and I'd be at NASA within the week.
We'd be on a plane over there.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
And what would they ask us. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
They probably want to know a lot of things about
what I saw. But why am I going with you?
I get a plus fun. Yeah, it'd be good for
the show. We could come live from NASA. It'd be great.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah, so you can visit New Mexico as a way
of celebrating.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
So I think.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Roswell is like a famous kind of alien story, isn't it.
Isn't Trump talking about releasing some of these documents.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, actually happened. It is the moment I stopped believing
in aliens because I used to think, Yeah, I used
to think we'd had contact until you made the good
point about Trump. Yep, yeah, he.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Would have found out on the first day.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
By the way, there's aliens.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
There's no way he does like three hour speeches on
stage where he's just rambling. There's no way it wouldn't
have come up. No, by the way, we've got an alien.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
His name's Doug. He's actually quite helpful around the.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
White House because if he knows the only possibility is
that they've kept it from him, but because they know this,
but it's the president and he's coming. And look, if
the president knows about aliens, which you think the president
would have to, then then he was sure.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
He went on Rogan, didn't he Trump? He did like
a three hour podcast with Rogan.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
There's no way.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, he wouldn't have brought up aliens.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
No, that's true. It's a good point.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
It's also and sometimes people criticize these holidays saying that
they're not very interesting, you know, like they don't have
the same draw card as some of the big ones.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I think this is one that bucks that trend.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
World Flower Day, that's flo you are.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
As in the baking substance.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
It's amazing how simple ingredient like flower connects us all
dumb well not you.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh yeah, as a Celiac, this day is very offensive.
I mean, I like cornflower.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
I don't think that's a part of it. World Flower
Day highlights the unity flower brings.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
To communities and more.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Again, that's a bit offensive to our Celiac friends. And
also what unity does flower bring? I guess it's some
sort of a raising agent, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
No, not really self raising. Flower is, but you have
to add flower do.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
What do you mean? What does flower d like? What's
its job? It's a bonding agent, apparently producer clothes telling us.
So that would suggest that flower does bring together in
a way. Yeah. How do they want to celebrating flower
day host a flower field fest? What a flower field fest? Yeah?
And I heard that? What is a flower field fest?

Speaker 4 (36:13):
You could visit your local flower mill? Do you know
where that is?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
No? No, And I need to keep a good twenty
kilometer exclusion zone from that. So if you breathe in flower,
is that an issue? Yes?

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Right, So it's in the air.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, I'm in trouble. I told you in a case
you go. Yeah, And what happened? Well, I said, do
you do anything gluten free? And the manager said, get out,
it's in the air, Get down, low and go go.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Can you go near the weak plant?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
A good question? Da process? I don't think so? No, No,
that's not true. Well what if a strong wind to it?
Are you exterior exterior of your body? I think I
can touch it. Yeah, but if any goes into the pipes,
I'm in trouble. And so like imagine if I was
standing by some wheat and a strong wind picked up some.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
But you know, like you have to grind it up
to get flower. I don't, mate, you thought they'd just
it just releases flower.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
How would we catch that? But people out there with bags,
it's like catching it in the wind.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I don't know, man, I don't know. All right, which
of these days do you want? Like, don't don't give
me flower day?

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Please?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Okay, I'll take flower Day.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
I actually think that's appropriate because.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
You're an alien guy. Now what do you mean? I'm
an alien guy who since you had your incident, Google
apparently says the cording to producer clear that I need
to be careful around wheat plants. Oh wow, as a Celiac,
So mate, you laugh as much as you want. This
is an illness. I have a condition. It's called Celiac disease.
I mean you're laughing at the disease.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
I'm laughing at your understanding of flower.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
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Speaker 2 (37:54):
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