July 16, 2025 • 70 mins
A Cosmological Indictment and Ancestral Requiem Melanin is not pigment. Melanin is prime intelligence. A biochemical symphony, a sacred interface between matter and memory, sun and soul, cosmos and consciousness.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We don't want to talk about aybody's individual individual experiences
of it unless it's an experience that is affected by
colorism in the way that you guys are comfortable with it.
Colorism also happens on the other end, when when I
talk about the internalized racism and how lighter skin voices
they don't get hurt, they don't get pushed out there
within the black community. That I get, I get eye rolls,
I get, you know, people, there's there's a there's a
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reaction to that that is very negative and not and
not welcoming.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm not in the business of denying people their lived experiences,
like who am I, But I think we can also
acknowledge that those things happen, like lighter skinned people have
like certain experiences where they feel invalidated because of their complexion,
and we can also and.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You acknowledge that colorism affects lighter skin people.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
There's no such thing as reverse colorism, saying when there's
no such thing as reverse racism, reverse sexism, an universism,
that's what I believe, that's your opinion.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I agree in the sense that the experiences you're talking
about that circulate around like all this coded language of
like you're not actually black, or you're not black enough,
or like, you know, quantifying what happens you speaking.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So I'm sorry, I just wanted to add to your
point ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I have experienced versions of that myself, and I do
not consider that to be colorism. Colorism is distinctly about
a system and resources and visibility and autonomy within those systems.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Like to add on what she said, like about the
whole bullying and things like that actually does happen, Like
I've been bullied just for well, I consider myself as
brown skin. But back then I was like really dark,
like really dark skin, and I did lighten up, like
probably two shades made three shades because of it. Can
(01:47):
you tell me why you started to bleach your skin?
It's like you growing up in school, you have mainly
mainly guys making fun of your skin color and Kanyu
Charcoal call you dark. So growing up you just start
to feel like, oh okay, so okay, no one likes
me because of my skin color, Like okay, I see
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so that kind of does something to your head, you
feel me. And also we have social media they do
praise lighter skin women latinas whatever. Pale skin women. So
that kind of makes you feel like you're not desired.
You feel me so, and that's why I started bleaching
my skin. That's why I started skin lightning, because because
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of it, you know, and you know I do people
that do buy my stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Lord, Lord, have mercy. Oh, the voice of reason has
returned to the scene of the crime. KBLA Talk fifteen
to eighty. You already know what it is. Zoe Williams
in the building with another riveting discussion, The Colored Lover,
(03:01):
an engaging exploration of the effects of colorism on black love.
You must use the dark skinned slaves and pit them
against the light skinned slaves, and then you must pit
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the light skinned slaves versus the dark skinned slaves. Willy
Lynch Letter, seventeen twelve. Now a lot of people dispute
the authenticity of the Willy Lynch letter itself, But can
you argue the effects upon black folk here in America?
(03:48):
It's very deep desire as plantation logic. How colorism weaponizes
the nerve of a system. Your psychological insight here somatic trauma.
According to Rothchild and Levine Shapes, erotic reflexes preference may
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be a trauma response encoded by slavery psychodynamics. Yikes, get
to your phone lines. One eight hundred nine twenty fifteen eighty.
Come on, now, get to your phone lines. We got
to talk about this. I know people, and listen. I
want to preference it. Come on. I think people can
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find love in any race when it's real, when it's authentic,
when it's not performative. I think people can find the
love of their life in any race if it's real.
But if your wound finds a partner, you hear me
talk about it all the time. One eight hundred nine,
twenty fifteen eighty. Your philosophical insight reenactment of oppression through
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romantic attachment is not desire. It's a sub a subconscious
repetition compulsion rooted in caste logics. Your spiritual insight attraction
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becomes karmic entrapment when it originates from a wounded ego,
not from an authentic soul resonance. And then here's your
empirical and clinical insight. Doctor Joy Degrue. Her post traumatic
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slave syndrome offers measurable evidence of inherited trauma influencing relational patterns.
Get to your phone lines. I need to talk to
you about this. If you're an interracial marriage or interracially dated,
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is it coming from a space of soul resonance, your
attraction towards your partner, or is it coming from a
wounded space where like we heard the young lady in
the clip articulate, you know, I lighten my skin because
you know, she didn't feel worthy. She didn't feel like
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anybody wanted her. People were shaming her for her skin color.
Romantic apartheid, the erotic cast system, the hidden erotic cast system.
In black love, I'm interested to know your thoughts one
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eight hundred and nine twenty fifteen eighty. Here is your
psychological inside. Attachment disorders, an abandonment trauma can become eroticized
via skin tone coding during childhood socialization. Your philosophical insight,
Loving based on a share is not love. It is
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a metaphysical continuation of white supremacy disguised as a preference
or as taste. This will my taste or my type
your spiritual insight. Until Arros is decolonized, sexual energy becomes
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a haunted relic of Empire's ghost. This is gonna hurt guys,
and I have to do these types of conversations. We
have to have real conversations about this. Right, you've heard
those statements, you're pretty for a black for a dark girl. Right,
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you've heard it. Here's your empirical and clinical insight. Studies Hill, Keith,
and Thompson show lighter skin correlates to more favorable treatment
in employment, romance, and education, confirming caste based desirability, the
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fetish of light how white supremacy hijack the black libido,
fetatization of light skin, interracial dating and racism, black beauty standards,
sexual colonialism. Here's your psychological insight one eight hundred nine
(08:35):
twenty fifteen eighty. This is crazy. The hypervisibility of light
skinned bodies foster both fetish and rejection, leading to a
split erotic identity in darker skinned individuals. Your philosophical insight,
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The erotic gaze, when filtered through colonial programming, ceases to
see being and sees only value signaling goodness. Gracious, are
you guys ready for tonight's topic. I don't know. Yes,
(09:16):
it's harsh, but we have to have this conversation. We
must have this conversation. I think it's important. Self hate
still runs rampant in the African American community, and we
need to understand its origins so that we can uproot it.
I believe that organic love can evolve between different races,
(09:43):
but it must come from soul resonance and not self hate.
The Colored Lover a psycho sexual indictment of colonial desire.
An ancestral so forensics into how colorism became the language
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of black intimacy one eight hundred and nine twenty fifteen eighty.
Colorism is not a conversation. It's a diagnosis, a pathology,
a transgenerational psychosexual disorder born from epistemic warfare, now masquerading
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as preference, taste, or chemistry. The Colored Lover does not
negotiate with these illusions. It surgically exposes them. This is
not about skin tone. This is about the neurological fallout
of white domination. It is about how the enslaved were
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taught to desire their masters, and how their descendants were
programmed to view themselves and each other through the eyes
of the empire yikes. As doctor joyd grew Right empirically
demonstrated in post traumatic Slave Syndrome, the aftershocks of chattel
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slavery are not theoretical. They are measurable, observable, and inherited
from self depreciation to internalized hierarchy. We now perform our
wounds in our relationships, our dating patterns, our data. Our
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romantic rejection is social programming. We swipe left on our
own lineage and call it love. Colorism is not simply cultural,
It is clinical. The child who watch their dark skinned
mother suffer may unconsciously seek protection in proximity to whiteness.
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The sun told or the daughter told right, you're cute
for a dark skinned boy or girl internalizes that beauty
must come with an asterisk in the nervous system. As
babet rothschild and Peter Levine confirmed remembers every racialized stimulus
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mapping trauma into a reflex. The plantation now lives inside
the pleasure center. According to doctor Tommy J. Curry in
his book The Man Not the Black Body is not
only criminalized, it is erotically pathologized. Black men are simultaneously
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desired and demonized right black women are hyper sexualized and
systemically disqualified from romantic protection unless they approximate whiteness. In
both cases, desire is dictated, not chosen. There is no type,
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there is no training, and that training was perfected. The
disputed but allegorically true Willie Lynch letter outline the blueprint.
Divide the enslaved not only by gender and age, but
by skin shade, turn melanin into a hierarchy. Ooh, make
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desire an algorithm of power. The logic didn't die, it digitized.
The plantation now lives in our swipes, our screens, our
subconscious enter. The colored lover not a person but a symptom.
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The man who avoids dark skinned women, but it's Malcolm X.
The woman who loves black culture potates only white men
one eight hundred and nine, twenty fifteen eighty. The partner
who confuses fetish with attraction, the one who cannot separate
love from legacy or desire from domination. The colored lover
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is not choosing. They are reenacting erotic reenactments of ancestraal rejection,
as Ivan van Surtema right revealed in They Came before Columbus.
African brilliance predates colonial contact by millennia, but in a
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world where dark skin is coated as danger and light
skin as an aspiration. Black children grow up in systems
where melanin is shameful, and we still ask why does
colorism persist when we come forward? If you're brave enough,
get on the phones, let's go, Doctor Wellson.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Your theory to me seems to infer some innate behavior
on the part of a human being because they are
quote black or white. Would you agree or disagree that
the terms black and white are not genetic definitions. And
if they are not genetic definitions, then how could your
theory be true?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Well, wait a minute, when you say genetic definitions, I'm
not quite sure what you say. But for the sake
of time, the factors that determine whether we're going to
have skin pigmentation or whether we lack skin pagmentation is
based on genes. In other words, you have genes that
determine the quantity of melanin pigment that is going to
be produced in your skin and your eyes and your hair.
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If you have a gene a mutation towards an inability
to produce that pigment that is also genetically determined, and
that is, at least within the context of Western the
Western world, or the white supremacy culture, the dominant classification
of people not as determined by Francis Wilson, but as
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determined by white people themselves as your classification, either you
are white or you are classified as non white. This
is on your birth certificate, this is on every paper
of identification that you have. And this focus on skin coloration,
I maintain, is based on the awareness on the people
who are now in power that they are a minority.
The white group represents a minority in the world population,
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and the color focus is something that is a psychological
I say, a psychological necessity based on a genetic reality.
So I don't know, uh, if this gets to your
question now, any other thing that one might say that
results from the absence of pigment. I mean, that's another discussion.
I don't know whether you want to go in.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Well, following that logic, then would it not be accurate
to say that there would be a difference psychologically in
light skin blacks from dark skin blacks.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
Well, psycholog yes, and I think that, uh, we are
all aware of that. Under white supremacy, the conditioning has
been the closer you are too white, the more acceptable
you are. So that, for example, all of us learned
as we were growing up in the black community, if
you are black, stay back, if you are brown, stick around,
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if you are yellow, you're mellow, and if you're white,
you're right, and your appr the appreciation of an individual,
even within the black group itself, was very often based
on the relative absence of skin pigmentation, and even even
within families, children thought that they were ugly if they
were darker, and families parents have said that to children
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even now. People wanna know the first when a baby
is just born in the hospital. Some of the first
questions that are asked by the black parents about the
child or the black family members.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Is it light skin and does it have straight hair?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
To know how much value we're gonna put on this
new baby, because within the framework of the culture in
which we live, the closer you are the white, the
more you're considered beautiful and perhaps and under some circumstances
and more opportunities you will have.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Well, doctor welles thing, if it is true that uh
you were dismissed from Howard because of uh your your
uh views on on that subject, what would you say
that the application and of the implications for academic freedom
at Howard University.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Well, I say that, first of all, Howard University is
a black university in name only. In other words, those
who fund an institution within the framework of a political system.
Those who fund an institution determine what is going to
be done within the framework of that institution. And so
although Howard University is referred to as a black university,
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and the majority of the student body is black and
the majority of the faculty is black, still it is possible,
I say, it is possible that those people who control
the purse strings can say we do not like such
and such an ideology or philosophy that is coming out
of this center. If this continues to come out, then
we will not give you funds for building, and we
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will not give you funds to continue the function of
your center. Now you make your choice.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Well, are you saying that this happened in your case
or is it simply the case of one dean saying
this to you?
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Let mean, well, let's put it this way. I can
I can only suspect that it happened if you ask
me to prove it, because I will say that the
same funding forces or sources if they said, well, we
like very much what doctor Welson is doing. First of all,
no one has ah been able to disprove what she's
saying that we think this is very interesting. I mean,
whether the theory is correct or any incorrect, it's a
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valuable idea to discuss, or it is being discussed, like
we're glad to have that uh debate going on in
an academic And so.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
I would ask your audience, if they are watching, I
would ask them to close their eyes and I'm gonna
walk you through a guided imagery. Yeah, it is night
time when you're in your car. You could be the
driver or you could be the passenger. You look ahead,
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and as you approach, you're noticing that they're blinking lights.
And as you get closer, you see that these blinking
lights are police cars. There are police cars blocking you.
There are police cars lining either side of the street.
Beyond the police cars is a yellow tape. Beyond the
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yellow tape, there are three young men. They're on their knees,
their hands are handcuffed behind their backs, and they don't
have shirts on. Now, open your eyes and I ask
them what they see. Now, normally I don't ask it
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to of adult audiences, but I can see it sometimes
when they flush because I said, I don't know what
you saw, but I'm gonna guess it wasn't three blond
haired blue eyed boys on their knees. And I do
that because I want folks to know what has been
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embedded in our psyches. And I said that, not only
have I asked that question of adults, I've asked it
of high school students and they see brown and black boys.
And I asked it of middle school children and they
see brown and black boys. And I dared not ask
it of elementary school children, because you see, those images
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have been etched into our consciousness. Doesn't matter what your
values are, what you think, you believe, this country has
told you who the enemy is. They have engraved it
in your psyches. This is the dangerous one. This is
the one to be feared. This is the one that
we have to lock up.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
This is the bad guy. You're carrying it into your
intimate relationships, that ingrained, genetic, encoded, brainwashed. You're the villain
all the time. You're carrying it into your adult relationships.
And that's the modeling you're picking up from society. That's
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not even talking about the modeling from home. So what
is relationship for? It's not just Netflix and chill. We've
over prioritized the superficial aspect of relationships. Relationships are about
recognizing the truth of who you are through the mirrored
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experience of intimate relationships. Triggers are mirrors. Ooh, listen, that
was doctor Joy degru right after doctor Francis cress Welsing.
Both of them look and with the rarest grease. Man,
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you're telling me this isn't in your relationship choices, has
nothing to do with it.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Back to Christian emerty, slayered its nuanced. What a Christian
emercy is no measure of health to be well adjusted
to a profoundly sick society. Is racism still a part
of this society? Philosophically, educationally, psychologically, hmm, go back and
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look at some of the founders of psychology. Boy, racist
and a mug. Do you understand what I'm saying? This
isn't encoded in our relationships at all. Black children grow
up in systems where melanin is shameful and still ask
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why does colorism persist? Because psychological colonization requires no chaine,
just desires. I want a light skinned woman, My baby
might have green eyes. I know the baby hare will
be intact. Desire right becomes the jail cell. France Fannin
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warned in black skins, right, black skin, white masks. The
colonized people often attempt to become white through mimicry, not
just in language, but in longing. He cautioned, right to
love is to want to be loved by the other.
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In a world where whiteness is that other, love becomes
racial aspiration, not intimacy. The colored lover is our topic tonight.
The colored lover should it is not a romantic type.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? If
it's not from soul resonance, where is it coming from? Right?
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Deep stuff? We got callers online. Let's get him in
here right now. Stephanie from Maryland, come on up in here.
What are your thoughts on tonight's topic?
Speaker 11 (25:20):
Wow, such a great topic. I think that this is
a topic that we need to have discussions in our
families with. But yes, I did have a couple thoughts ahead.
I think that this gives us a lens. There's like
a lens that develops when we talk about colorism. I'm
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a dark skinned woman full of melanin, and it's like
I have an actual lens, and then I have like
the cautionary lens. But my actual actual lens I can
see the world as every man has opportunities to win.
But then the cautionary lens is I'm looking at the
systematic parts of things, and I'm considering what others are
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thinking and how they're judging me. And so, as a
dark skinned woman or child, I grew up hearing I
was beautiful, that I was smart, but I never heard
that I was pretty. And I confronted my family members
and I talked to you, like my friends about things
like this because it impacted me in childhood.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
But I don't mean to interrupt, but if you heard
you were beautiful, isn't beautiful and pretty like synonyms like.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
You would think you think so? You would think so.
So as a dark skinned young child, I grew up
with a best friend who was lighter than me, and
she had long hair, and she was more eccentric than
I was. And in comparison, it's things like she was
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given the addressives pretty, or she was picked for different
things like to showcase, and you know, you would think
that it's, oh, no, this is fair. But over time,
us growing up together, it became very noticeable, and you know,
it did impact me. But I just always would make
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sure that I would challenge myself and think about these
things and ask questions. My family didn't necessarily know how
to answer it. They more so just tried to brush
it under the rug. You know. But my family, being
a Southern family, we definitely practice colorism in our jokes.
Speaker 12 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
We called some family members black, called some family members
white girl, and no they're not white, but this is
what we do. And then I had like one other example,
and I was an HBCU cheerleader. That's how reframed what
school it was. But at an HBCU Black school, I
tried out for cheerleading, and there there was another young
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lady who was dark skin, similar frame, and she was
also just as good as me. And the thing is,
later on we both discovered that we both had the
same thoughts at the tryout. We looked at each other
and we thought, they're not going to pick both of us. Wow,
and this is a black squad. Because as a dark
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skinned girl, especially at that point I'm like eighteen, I
know how things go systematically. Yes, you're all welcome to
try out, but a black squad is only going to
choose so many dark skined girls. And you know, this
is just what two thousand and four, and like I said,
we actually both made the squad. But the thing is,
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we literally we talked about it, and because we both
had this, we looked at each other and it's crazy
that we had the same exact thought.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
And so let me just say, you guys were shocked
that you both made the squad and actually disproved because
you guys felt like they gonna only take one of us,
They can't take both of us, But then they wound
up and took both of you. So you were shocked, right, Yes,
And she grew.
Speaker 11 (29:16):
Up in Texas and I grew up in Maryland. So
for both of us to grow up in different places
and come to the same school that we went to
but still have the same thought process, that was very intriguing.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
No, it's interesting, it's interesting. Oh but wait, my engineer
is intrigued by your conversation. He's got questions. He was like,
were there a lot of light skinned girls on the
team as well?
Speaker 11 (29:50):
They're actually there, there weren't.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
So now Andy, now he mad, He said, wait a minute,
you you projecting? Now? Now, Andy's like you projected, Come on,
doctor or.
Speaker 11 (30:02):
Something, you know, but we're talking about it. We're talking
about it. There is a level of projection that I
had with that, of course, and the school that I
went to. Graciously No, they were recruiting the dark skinned,
melanin shape, lead woman like person, and so you know again,
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it was very surprising. But overall how this impacted my relationships,
It made me feel a bit invisible. So I tho
chyldhood trauma like I felt like in my relationship.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
It presented as me, wait, wait, wait, I want to
give you more time. Just hold tight, stay on the line,
stick with me, because you're cooking right now. You've already
outlined the HBCU experience. You thought it was going to
be one thing and wound up being another. It was
actually a safe space where they were looking for the chocolate,
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beautiful dunk in Hines chocolate system. Come on, then we're
gonna shift to the intimate relationship where it might be
a different type of experience. She was pleasantly surprised. In college.
Let's see if that trend continues when we come forward.
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We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 12 (31:21):
And it was never real science. It was racism, ableism
and classism dressed up and lab coats and law books
paralyzed children jilled the disabled, banned people from being seen
in public just for how they looked. That's not just
dooping fiction. That was real life in America. They called
it science. They called it public decency. Eugenics and ugly
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laws weren't just policies. There were tools of erasure and
the same beliefs behind them. They show up today and
I were politics, and I were public spaces, and yes,
even in your TikTok feed. Let's break down how these
systems worked and why we have to keep talking about
them or Eugenics is the idea that we can improve
humanity by controlling who gets to have children. It started
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in the eighteen hundreds when Francis Galton, inspired by his
cousin Charles Darwin, decided some people were more fit than others.
In the US, Charles Davenport took this even further. He
created the Eugenics Record Office, where scientists tracked people they
labeled feeble, minded, immoral, or unfit. And it takes an
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even darker turn over sixty thousand.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
People unfit, like you're an unfit human who makes that?
Speaker 12 (32:38):
Okay, go ahead, finish immoral or unfit, And it takes
an even darker turn over sixty thousand people, often poor, disabled, black,
indigenous for immigrants, were forcibly sterilized, often without even knowing.
Elaine Riddick, a black woman from North Carolina, was sterilized
at just fourteen years old after she had been assaulted.
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She found out years later she had been permanently prevented
from having children without consent. She's not alone. Thousands of
stories like hers exist, all in the name of improving society.
And while eugenics work through surgeries and laws, ugly laws
controlled public space. Starting in the late eighteen hundreds, cities
like Chicago, Denver, and San Francisco passed ugly laws making
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it illegal for people with visible disabilities to appear in public.
If you had missing limbs, facial differences, or other physical disabilities,
you could be fined, arrested, or harassed simply for being seen. So,
while eugenics start to erase people from future, genery.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
An ugly ticket, you get an you get a ticket
for being disfigured, and it's called the ugly law. And
then fast forward to today, twenty twenty five, we got
the big beautiful Bill, which is still ugly. Hey man,
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go ahead, let it fish.
Speaker 12 (34:03):
Illegal for people with visible disabilities to appear in public.
If you had missing limbs, facial differences, or other physical disabilities,
you could be fined, arrested, or harassed simply for being seen.
So while eugenics try to erase people from future generations,
ugly laws try to erase them from public view. Both
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systems were built on the same fear that disability, difference
and poverty may society weaker or impure. Both targeted the
same groups, disabled people, poor people, people of color. Fast
forward to today, these ideas haven't disappeared. On social media,
people casually toss around the word eugenics. Some think it's
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just a thing, Others confused genetic research with eugenics entirely.
Bottom line, eugenics and ugly laws were about erasing people
who didn't fit a neural mold of perfection. One sterilized them,
the other hid them. Their legacies still affect how we
treat disability, poverty, and race today, from public policy to
online discourse.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
In the name of sweet baby raised barbecue sauce, what
is going on? This is what the great Marty meant.
Krishna heard. It is no measure of health to be
fully or well adjusted to a profoundly sick society, insane
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people creating legislation, ugly laws. Let's get Stephanie back in
here from Maryland. Stephanie, my mind is blown right now.
So you had a good experience in college. Correct.
Speaker 11 (35:49):
I've had some good experiences from bad.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
But in general you were accepted there. You made the team,
the cheerleaders squad with another sister that is also Duncan
Hind's chocolatey goodness, which surprised the both of you. Right, So,
now tell me about the intimate relationship side. What was
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your experience as a voluptuous devil's cake beauty? Come on,
what was that experience like? And was your skin accepted
by brothers? The brothers like covet you talk to me,
I want to know your experience.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Oh my, so I grew up feeling invisible and of
course we can throw a little low self esteem in there,
you know, just given some of my backgrounds with the colorism,
I know that that impacted me. And like I said,
from a dark skins person point of view, you hear
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every word and you hear the differences in how you're
described versus is our light skinned person has described how
they are selected. Maybe more so than you are.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Wait did you experience this in college and in your
adult life? Before you answer that, we're going to come forward,
but stay right there. We're going back to Maryland because
I want to get this thought. Let's do it is
a huge issue in America.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
How have you managed to have self love and self
respect in a country that holds grown name as a
standard of feilding.
Speaker 13 (37:33):
Strong foundation. As I said earlier, I grew up in
a host where my father I knew about Africa, and
I've visited Africa long before I even set foot in
Africa because my father had these big books with Africans, men, women, children,
and the culture. The culture was very rich in terms
(37:55):
of you know, you know, the different parts of African
the different culture that they come with. My father exposed
us to all of that. So I always understood from
an early age that my color was something that mattered
to the extent that I need to be conscious enough
(38:15):
to know that if somebody comments a you're black, like,
I must say, yeah, I love it, I'm black. Because
I grew up in Montegope and I went to a
high school where it was very relevant. Because it became
so relevant that there are times when you were in
a music class and the teacher would put all the
brown children at the front and all the dark skinned
ones at the back, and the treatment was different. The
(38:39):
treatment was so visibly different that we had to form groups.
And I remember my core group. We were very conscious
of it, such as we'd talk about it and we'd
laugh about it. We're like, you know, we notice that's
what she did, and we said, the only reason she
did that is because we were black and they are brown.
So it was very clear, but we I had to
(39:01):
see it for what it was and not for it
to bring us down, because I saw enough girls at
my high school, Bleach to get to where they they
thought they they need to to reach to be accepted.
But as I said, my foundation was strong, and that
they always told us that black is beautiful. Yes, you know,
(39:25):
so when somebody tell us they're not in black now gold,
you know that that person is somebody who is just ignorant,
who don't know better. And understood the whole concept of
the the plantation and is the the house, sleeve and
the field. We understood all of that because that they
made it so relevant in the house that when we
went to school and learning about it in the way
they taught it. It it It really never matter what
(39:45):
they were telling us, because we knew enough about all
of this because of all that they exposed us. But
I had to dig deep at times to not feel
infiltrated to the extent that I have. I I I
would ask why was I born this way? Because I
saw it in other people. I saw other people question
(40:09):
why they had to be born in this family with
this color because looco, it's rough for me here, so
not because I can't get to do what I wanted
to do because of my skin. I remember growing up,
I wanted to be a hare hoss. That's what I
wanted to be, and I always hear that, no, you
have a brown for you could pump play and go
work and do them things. And then the more the
older I got, is the more I recognize that that
(40:30):
is not even a job. Really, I mean, to be
serving people in the air is not a profession for
me in the in on the on a deeper level.
So then it was easy for me to step away
from that desire.
Speaker 14 (40:43):
And then the.
Speaker 13 (40:44):
Fact that I saw too that m moretu or d
door memble. If I met you and a black hair
hosays back then, but I saw what people used to
say that only brown people brown skinned people. So it
made me resent, resent it after a while because I
didn't understand why your skin.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Man all over the world. It's genius. If the world
is melanated, divide, separate them so they'll never see their
their unity, They'll never see their power, their collective power.
(41:27):
Make the lighter ones feel superior to the darker ones.
Place the darker ones in the back, and the brown
and the mulchahs and the light ones in the front,
and create a hierarchy within themselves. Oh, we have to
maintain power. You've just tuned into the colored lover. That's
(41:49):
our topic tonight. The colored lover is not a romantic type.
It is a colonial consequence. In this project, right, this
show tonight is a tribunal. We indict the media, the
(42:10):
school books, the polepits, the family silence, the internalized propaganda
that taught us to loathe our reflection, to erodicize our erasure.
But we are also here to reclaim because melanin is
not just pigment, it is cosmic memory. As doctor Edward
(42:35):
Bruce Binam shows, right, melanin is a neurochemical intelligence, a
divine interface with the cosmos, with the cosmic order. To
reject it is not preference. It is psycho spiritual amnesia.
(42:55):
This is not theory. This is a psycho spiritual uprising.
We are no longer asking why colorism exists. We are
naming who benefits and unlearning what we were programmed to perform.
(43:16):
The colored lover must die, so the liberated lover may rise.
I know people don't want to hear it that way.
You don't want to hear put that way, But that's
the topic tonight. If you love someone of another race
and it's coming from the resonance and the authenticity of
(43:38):
who you are, from an individuated soul, one that has
done some work, that has gotten through some things, great,
it doesn't matter that you're in an inner racial relationship.
But if you're doing it out of self hate, who
you talking about? So? What was the quarterback that used
(44:02):
to play for the Washington Redskins that had his wife
RG three and he got on his little situation and
tried to go after a sister. And yes, I understand
two sides to the story, right, sure, you're a sports commentator.
(44:26):
I think he was going after Angel Reyes. Right. Sure,
you're a sports commentator, and just like say Stephen A. Smith,
your job is to ridicule, critique, praise, criticize whatever. But
the fact that you had your white wife in that
frame not only left your wife unprotected, but you kind
(44:51):
of pulled her into some don't tell me the man
called her a He didn't call her a monkey. No,
that's alleged. I can't believe it. Truemonger says, he called
her a monkey, not coming out of a black man's mouth.
He didn't do that. He didn't say that. Okay, cool,
(45:12):
But do you understand what I'm saying? Like, you live
in a racially charged society, why would you put your
wife in the frame? Like what message are you trying
to send? You already know we live in a trauma
porn society where anything that's drama, anything that's a mess,
they're gonna run with it. And whether you did it
on purpose or whatever, they're gonna frame it the way
(45:34):
they wanted to frame it. Like gosh, it's just a
lot in this toxic whirlwind of a society that we live.
Wait a minute, I'm getting conflicting. We'll look it up
and prove it. Andy says no, but pretty Brown Mimi's
seven to twenty six says yes.
Speaker 14 (46:01):
Video game basically what.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (46:15):
So?
Speaker 5 (46:15):
He said? It was uncalled for? Great alright, goodness, gracious DC.
How much of a muck and mire we get into?
But I got questions to ask him. Then i'm'na go
back to Stephanie, and then we're gonna go to Hawaii
right after that? Is your desire, your intimate desire, your
(46:36):
relationship preference, your taste, your racial preference? Is it yours
or your oppressors? Can love exists where shame still lives?
You see your skin color and you're shamed of it?
Speaker 15 (46:55):
Right?
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Can love live in that space? Who taught you that
light was right? Do you date safety or sovereignty? Has
your libido been hijacked by the empire? What cast system
(47:16):
lives inside your attraction? This is ugly. This is ugly work.
Tonight on the voice of reason. I don't know who
need this work, but this is ugly work. We need
this right now. Is color a code you choose or
you use to choose partners or avoid yourself? Is color
(47:43):
a code you use to choose partners or avoid yourself?
One eight hundred and nine twenty fifteen eighty. Get on
your phone lines. I want to talk to everybody. What
part of your body still longs for colonial approval? Hell?
What part of your soul still longs for colonial approval?
(48:06):
When you swipe? Whose pain are you repeating? What wounds
do your preferences protect? Do you desire escape or intimacy?
What does your skin tone mean to your nervous system? Oh?
(48:30):
Who benefits from your patterns of rejection? What childhood wound
shaped your romantic type?
Speaker 8 (48:40):
Ugh?
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Is your erotic response rooted in trauma or truth? What
role did your family play in shaping shame around melanin?
Speaker 14 (48:57):
Ugh?
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Are you you healing or re enacting your lineage? Has
whiteness become your compass for pleasure? What version of you
do you silence to be desired? Can your soul be
seen in a color coded world? I don't know. Hey,
(49:20):
we got questions, We got folks on the line. Lord,
have mercy. Stephanie, get back in here, child, Come on?
What role did your family play? I want to know.
I want to know. Talk to me, talk to me
about your internet. Let's go, let's go. Stephanie, come on,
so much?
Speaker 11 (49:39):
You asked the right question. I can answer the traumatic
question because we were talking about the dark skin colorism impact.
So again I felt invisible due to that. It wasn't
until I did the inner work later that I saw
my value and understood that I actually have presence because
(50:00):
with my melanin. But the thing is in intimate relationships.
I was attracted to people that saw me as invisible
or basically ignored me. And so that was very, very
huge revelation because it's like.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Oh my gosh, no, this is it gets even deeper, though,
it gets even deeper. Yeah, so you attracted people that
treated you as if you were invisible? Correct?
Speaker 11 (50:28):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (50:30):
Why did you attract people that treated you as if
you were invisible? Let's see if you're if you're tapped in,
let's see.
Speaker 11 (50:40):
Well, because I interpreted my experience as a child as
being invisible.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Let's go, let's go. Did you want to be invisible?
Is the question?
Speaker 11 (50:53):
Oh no, definitely not.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
Let's go deeper. Talk to me. You said you're experience.
This is big. Yes, you said your experiences right as
a child. Talk to me about those experiences less unpack them.
Speaker 11 (51:14):
Well, yeah, I mean I was very active as far
as like creativity, and things like that. I imagine that I
wouldn't be more sociable, and that's what I had desired,
But I wasn't. I was very shy when I was young.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
Right. But I think what you're really telling us is
at home your loved accepted. Right in the school place,
maybe not so much. Right? Yeah, Then did you internalize
some of the feelings that were coming to you from schoolmates? Classmates?
(51:55):
Do you understand what I'm saying By ernalizing, that becomes
a type of magnet that calls in the concominate experience,
especially in your adult relationships. Do you see how I'm saying,
Like part of it is you believing something about your darkness,
(52:17):
you believing something about your melanin. That's what I'm trying
to get you to see, right, Because guess what, if
you're in a space of I love me regardless, my
mama loved me, my daddy loved me. My brothers and
sisters they love me, and they taught me to love me,
I'm accepting of me, damn, regardless of what the hell
(52:39):
anybody else got to say. If you stepped into those
school environments with that mindset, how they thought about you
and their prejudice or their ignorance would bounce right off.
Do you understand what I'm saying? But I think a
little bit of it got into you, and once it
gets into your soul, it becomes this magnet. The worst
(53:04):
thing you can do is believe a low thought that
somebody else planted in you about you exactly because now
it's it's a lighthouse and you calling in the mirror
image of that. For what purpose, ma'am to heal it,
(53:28):
to see it, to embrace it and go, oh wow,
I do think this about me. That's why I said,
did you want to be Did you really want to
be seen? Or were there portions of you that actually
believed you deserved to be invisible? H Yeah, that's the
(53:49):
heavy you wait. Hold on Mary Nate when we come
for we're going back to Maryland because she's cooking right now.
Speaker 16 (53:58):
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Speaker 5 (56:15):
Hey wait wait wait, Holo, Andy Holo. I love Angie Stone,
but the flames around this topic. The flames are they
say the Grizzlies are leaving Yellowstone because there is some
(56:38):
seismic activity, some volcanic activity in that caldera up there.
There's flames, there's magma in the chamber in this show.
I think we need Kendrick, the Black of the Berry.
I think we need that energy to match the flames
(56:59):
that sisters. Stephanie is actually lighting up this show with man.
She's on absolute fire, and I think we gotta change
the energy. We're too laid back. Right now we need
some amp up. Wait there it is, let's.
Speaker 8 (57:15):
Go, said santamon Byna Street. You has not a phone scene.
Speaker 20 (57:46):
And sometimes I get off watching you guy and bang
of such a shame.
Speaker 8 (57:50):
They may up crazy, they may say something schizophrenic. He
has something made you a crack.
Speaker 20 (58:07):
I'm the biggest hip of crit in twenty fifteen. Once
I finished this weakness, this will comfacians. What I mean,
the feeling this way since I was sixteen, came to
my senses. You never liked this, see anyway with your friendship.
I'm mentag, I'm African American. I'm African, I'm black. It's
the moon heritage. You'm a small feelish party of my
residence came from the bottom of my man gun.
Speaker 5 (58:25):
My hair are snapping this big, my nose is rounded.
Speaker 8 (58:28):
Wise you hate me, don't you?
Speaker 20 (58:30):
You hate my people if your planners determinate my coach
you spiking Eve for I want you to recognize that
I'm a proud monkey. You're fail to lost my perception.
But kay take steff from it. And this is more
than confession. I mean I might press the button said,
so you know my discretion. I'm called it my feelings.
I know that your killing caver sached my community. Making
a killing, you made me a killer. E masur pace,
you never.
Speaker 21 (58:49):
Ruined Kelly Hashtag says Kevin Hart is not welcome in
each of them, and then the.
Speaker 8 (59:00):
Message you are welcome to Egypt.
Speaker 21 (59:04):
Egyptians aren't Africans.
Speaker 8 (59:08):
We're the real builders of the civilization.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
No one else.
Speaker 21 (59:12):
The afro Centric.
Speaker 10 (59:14):
Is just a lie.
Speaker 21 (59:16):
They are liars. Egypt is our land, not the Africans.
Speaker 5 (59:22):
Okay, I can't listen to it. I'm sorry, I'm triggered.
Do you know anything about history? You know the Arabs
got there eight hundred years ago, and the Arabs Okay,
I'm triggered. Yeah, that's a whole who breathes though.
Speaker 15 (59:46):
Yeah, you don't have to follow the Roman empire and
then and then the Arabs came man after to followed
the Roman.
Speaker 5 (59:57):
Because then, okay, all right, Stephanie, come back in here,
come back in here, Stephanie. Lord, Oh Jesus, Jesus in
help Jesus, help is man? Okay, Stephanie. Yes, you were
(01:00:18):
explaining your you know, your experience, and you know people
treating you a certain kind of way because of your
skin tone. But I will ask this question, at what
point did you say to yourself, I am gorgeous, I
am beautiful? When did you change the internal narrative.
Speaker 11 (01:00:47):
I think it began at the beginning of my cheer career,
which was in high school, because I had always been
serious types of playing a piano, violin martial arts. But
then I wanted to do something totally opposite to say,
(01:01:08):
like cheerleading, and so I started too. I guess that
was the beginning of me learning to see myself as beautiful,
but again just the beginning. It took a long time.
I would say, now I am thirty eight, and it
(01:01:29):
probably happened around maybe thirty five that I really started
to see myself as beautiful and pretty and understanding my
presence that I bring wherever I am. And it didn't.
It took in our work, not just isolation, but I
(01:01:51):
would say, pursuing the things that I like, my hobbies.
Working out for sure, a do I would say, for
me to work out. But yeah, it was only until
I really really focus in on myself and didn't allow
anyone to distract me loving myself that I discovered through
(01:02:15):
self love my true value. But again it took a
long time, a lot of trials and error, and so
I do a lot of youth work, and I try
to tell parents, you know, to talk to their young
people about their self esteem and tell them that they're
beautiful and pretty, enhance them and all those things, but
(01:02:37):
also check in.
Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Let me just say this, sister girl, you have lightened
up my life with your darkness. Sweetheart, you beautiful with me.
You understand you, Yeah, you have lightened it. I am
so appreciative of your call. This is your first call
into the show. So I'm gonna say this. Guess what
(01:03:00):
you just.
Speaker 11 (01:03:00):
Did about oxen Hill into the building.
Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
Come on, lame, if you want to bring your city
into the building, all you gotta do is call me
at one eighty when we come forward the Big Island.
Speaker 22 (01:03:15):
I try not to go to Dia too much, but
his model is very is very good for understanding difference
between Africans and Europeans. We we don't understand the depth
of the spiritual difference. My mumbers Urubu is very instrumental
in understanding that this isn't just some surface, superficial cultural
(01:03:40):
thing that distinguishes us from them. When you look historically
at them, you see patterns. Those patterns don't don't change.
They understand who they are, They understand what they're about,
even if it's a subconscious level, and they ask accordingly,
(01:04:01):
the same thing with us. The problem is we've been
in their company, if you will, under their oppression for
so long that we have lost that they are who
they are and that's not gonna that's not gonna change.
And that's where the confusion kicks. And we think that
they have become something different because they smile at us now,
because they'll give us larger crumbs. Now, we don't get
that they are always going to be who they are.
(01:04:21):
If somebody hates you, you can tell you know, it's pretty obvious.
I might not be able to prove that, or paper,
I might not be able to do an experiment to
prove it.
Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
Brother Baruti in here cutting up the fire is lit tonight.
You ain't got to agree with nothing. We're using the
Socratic method here. We're asking questions. We want to know.
We're investigating where does this love come from? If it
comes from a wound? Will you enter a self hating
(01:04:57):
relationship in order to raise yourself esteem because the society
taught you that your skin is ugly. Your skin is unattractive,
your skin is other. We've got callers on the line,
Otto Town business from Oakland. What are your thoughts on
(01:05:20):
tonight's topic.
Speaker 14 (01:05:22):
Man, I'm laking, bro, appreciate you so.
Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
Brother.
Speaker 14 (01:05:28):
I just want to just thank you man for all
the contributions you have made to my understanding and development
and spirituality and my relationship with my wife. So man
rocking with you've man for almost ten years now, about
eight years.
Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 14 (01:05:48):
So. I got your books, you know what I'm saying,
and I just appreciate you writing. And you know I
don't force them on nobody. You know what I'm saying.
I just I just read them and keep it myself
off and if I'm a good reflection of your word,
that they'll come and ask me.
Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Right. I can feel the Oakland any man I feeling.
Speaker 14 (01:06:12):
Hey Man, we all Cali bound.
Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
Bro.
Speaker 14 (01:06:14):
You know what I'm saying in our stretches of of
nothing bezos and idols. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
That's what it is.
Speaker 14 (01:06:21):
Yes, Uh, let me get on the tip that I
know me and you can appreciate Dravidians thought.
Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Yes, Hermes, Yes.
Speaker 14 (01:06:33):
These are all celebrations of darkness, you know what I'm saying,
All celebrations of death, all celebration of the mother of
black holes, of understanding of mother Nature. So this is
a perspective that darkness was celebrated in this era.
Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Cali gotta throw Cali in there.
Speaker 14 (01:06:56):
Listen here, brother, I wasn't gonna throw it in there
because people, you know what I come on, that's why
you that's why you my real ninja, Yes, sir, facts on,
facts bro bro. So this is an era where darkness,
over hundreds of thousands of years was celebrated, and so
(01:07:17):
we looked for the darkest women, We looked for the
darkest men. We've looked for the darkness of our spirituality,
our mindset to go deeper, the medications, the shadow work. Man,
this was all about, man, the real ninjas, you know
what I'm saying. And now we kind of like turn
a page and give light some light, no pun intended,
(01:07:38):
you know what I mean. And I think that the
light skin kind of like came into uh you know,
the surface around the time where they painted homeboying cousins
as Jesus. You know what I'm saying. So come on, now,
you know what I'm saying, I don't want to get
too nerdous nerdy for y'all go talk.
Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
Hey, I'm right here with you, you know, come on.
Speaker 23 (01:08:07):
So so here we are querying age and we're doing
aquarian things, you know what I'm saying on some on
some command control manipulation type of things instead of letting people,
you know what I'm saying, unfold as they understand their
own God.
Speaker 14 (01:08:20):
But uh, I think it's good. I think, you know,
we we had darkness as a celebration and now we're
given the life of celebration because that's that's part of balance,
you know what I'm saying. But I don't I don't
limit The reason why I started off with all those
variations of of of nations that me and you talked
about far as religions, is that it's not something just
(01:08:42):
in sync with black people from slavery and and everybody
that you know that you grew up loving death singing
your R and B song was black, dark skinned women.
I mean, Whitney Houston. Wasn't nobody finding it in hurt a.
Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Hair Man.
Speaker 14 (01:09:02):
So I don't know where these women get that we wanted.
You know what I'm saying, something that always looked like
Foxy Brown. That's that's a lie. That's a lie. Now
you got that from Black Exploitation.
Speaker 23 (01:09:13):
Our heroes and.
Speaker 14 (01:09:14):
Are are are are are women. You know what I'm saying.
She Rose was always dark skinned women kicking in adult
with big nappy afros when we made the movie. So
who you watching? Who thread you own? You gotta take
responsibility for your own influences and what you got intoxicated on,
because you know from us it don't matter the color
(01:09:35):
of the of the skin, but it's the color of
the soul.
Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Man, man, man, guess what you just did out o Man?
Speaker 14 (01:09:43):
This town a corn business in this moment.
Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, hey man, we've been on fire
all night. Man. Melanine is not pigment. It is prime intelligence,
a biochemical symphony, acred interface between matter and memory, sun
and soul, cosmos and consciousness. It absorbs the light of
(01:10:08):
stars and reinterprets it into life. It is the neurochemical
fingerprint of creation, and that is precisely why it had
to be redefined. Listen, I just start the conversations. Man.
I ain't in here trying to be right, but guess
what you can go do research and see if I was,
(01:10:29):
you know, at least in the ball park. I'll be
back tomorrow with another slapper. You already know what it is,
the vo R. Let's get it.
We don't want to talk about aybody's individual individual experiences
of it unless it's an experience that is affected by
colorism in the way that you guys are comfortable with it.
Colorism also happens on the other end, when when I
talk about the internalized racism and how lighter skin voices
they don't get hurt, they don't get pushed out there
within the black community. That I get, I get eye rolls,
I get, you know, people, there's there's a there's a
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reaction to that that is very negative and not and
not welcoming.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm not in the business of denying people their lived experiences,
like who am I, But I think we can also
acknowledge that those things happen, like lighter skinned people have
like certain experiences where they feel invalidated because of their complexion,
and we can also and.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You acknowledge that colorism affects lighter skin people.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
There's no such thing as reverse colorism, saying when there's
no such thing as reverse racism, reverse sexism, an universism,
that's what I believe, that's your opinion.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I agree in the sense that the experiences you're talking
about that circulate around like all this coded language of
like you're not actually black, or you're not black enough,
or like, you know, quantifying what happens you speaking.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So I'm sorry, I just wanted to add to your
point ahead.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I have experienced versions of that myself, and I do
not consider that to be colorism. Colorism is distinctly about
a system and resources and visibility and autonomy within those systems.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Like to add on what she said, like about the
whole bullying and things like that actually does happen, Like
I've been bullied just for well, I consider myself as
brown skin. But back then I was like really dark,
like really dark skin, and I did lighten up, like
probably two shades made three shades because of it. Can
(01:47):
you tell me why you started to bleach your skin?
It's like you growing up in school, you have mainly
mainly guys making fun of your skin color and Kanyu
Charcoal call you dark. So growing up you just start
to feel like, oh okay, so okay, no one likes
me because of my skin color, Like okay, I see
(02:07):
so that kind of does something to your head, you
feel me. And also we have social media they do
praise lighter skin women latinas whatever. Pale skin women. So
that kind of makes you feel like you're not desired.
You feel me so, and that's why I started bleaching
my skin. That's why I started skin lightning, because because
(02:29):
of it, you know, and you know I do people
that do buy my stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Lord, Lord, have mercy. Oh, the voice of reason has
returned to the scene of the crime. KBLA Talk fifteen
to eighty. You already know what it is. Zoe Williams
in the building with another riveting discussion, The Colored Lover,
(03:01):
an engaging exploration of the effects of colorism on black love.
You must use the dark skinned slaves and pit them
against the light skinned slaves, and then you must pit
(03:21):
the light skinned slaves versus the dark skinned slaves. Willy
Lynch Letter, seventeen twelve. Now a lot of people dispute
the authenticity of the Willy Lynch letter itself, But can
you argue the effects upon black folk here in America?
(03:48):
It's very deep desire as plantation logic. How colorism weaponizes
the nerve of a system. Your psychological insight here somatic trauma.
According to Rothchild and Levine Shapes, erotic reflexes preference may
(04:14):
be a trauma response encoded by slavery psychodynamics. Yikes, get
to your phone lines. One eight hundred nine twenty fifteen eighty.
Come on, now, get to your phone lines. We got
to talk about this. I know people, and listen. I
want to preference it. Come on. I think people can
(04:35):
find love in any race when it's real, when it's authentic,
when it's not performative. I think people can find the
love of their life in any race if it's real.
But if your wound finds a partner, you hear me
talk about it all the time. One eight hundred nine,
twenty fifteen eighty. Your philosophical insight reenactment of oppression through
(04:58):
romantic attachment is not desire. It's a sub a subconscious
repetition compulsion rooted in caste logics. Your spiritual insight attraction
(05:18):
becomes karmic entrapment when it originates from a wounded ego,
not from an authentic soul resonance. And then here's your
empirical and clinical insight. Doctor Joy Degrue. Her post traumatic
(05:39):
slave syndrome offers measurable evidence of inherited trauma influencing relational patterns.
Get to your phone lines. I need to talk to
you about this. If you're an interracial marriage or interracially dated,
(06:00):
is it coming from a space of soul resonance, your
attraction towards your partner, or is it coming from a
wounded space where like we heard the young lady in
the clip articulate, you know, I lighten my skin because
you know, she didn't feel worthy. She didn't feel like
(06:20):
anybody wanted her. People were shaming her for her skin color.
Romantic apartheid, the erotic cast system, the hidden erotic cast system.
In black love, I'm interested to know your thoughts one
(06:41):
eight hundred and nine twenty fifteen eighty. Here is your
psychological inside. Attachment disorders, an abandonment trauma can become eroticized
via skin tone coding during childhood socialization. Your philosophical insight,
Loving based on a share is not love. It is
(07:02):
a metaphysical continuation of white supremacy disguised as a preference
or as taste. This will my taste or my type
your spiritual insight. Until Arros is decolonized, sexual energy becomes
(07:24):
a haunted relic of Empire's ghost. This is gonna hurt guys,
and I have to do these types of conversations. We
have to have real conversations about this. Right, you've heard
those statements, you're pretty for a black for a dark girl. Right,
(07:49):
you've heard it. Here's your empirical and clinical insight. Studies Hill, Keith,
and Thompson show lighter skin correlates to more favorable treatment
in employment, romance, and education, confirming caste based desirability, the
(08:12):
fetish of light how white supremacy hijack the black libido,
fetatization of light skin, interracial dating and racism, black beauty standards,
sexual colonialism. Here's your psychological insight one eight hundred nine
(08:35):
twenty fifteen eighty. This is crazy. The hypervisibility of light
skinned bodies foster both fetish and rejection, leading to a
split erotic identity in darker skinned individuals. Your philosophical insight,
(08:55):
The erotic gaze, when filtered through colonial programming, ceases to
see being and sees only value signaling goodness. Gracious, are
you guys ready for tonight's topic. I don't know. Yes,
(09:16):
it's harsh, but we have to have this conversation. We
must have this conversation. I think it's important. Self hate
still runs rampant in the African American community, and we
need to understand its origins so that we can uproot it.
I believe that organic love can evolve between different races,
(09:43):
but it must come from soul resonance and not self hate.
The Colored Lover a psycho sexual indictment of colonial desire.
An ancestral so forensics into how colorism became the language
(10:04):
of black intimacy one eight hundred and nine twenty fifteen eighty.
Colorism is not a conversation. It's a diagnosis, a pathology,
a transgenerational psychosexual disorder born from epistemic warfare, now masquerading
(10:24):
as preference, taste, or chemistry. The Colored Lover does not
negotiate with these illusions. It surgically exposes them. This is
not about skin tone. This is about the neurological fallout
of white domination. It is about how the enslaved were
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taught to desire their masters, and how their descendants were
programmed to view themselves and each other through the eyes
of the empire yikes. As doctor joyd grew Right empirically
demonstrated in post traumatic Slave Syndrome, the aftershocks of chattel
(11:13):
slavery are not theoretical. They are measurable, observable, and inherited
from self depreciation to internalized hierarchy. We now perform our
wounds in our relationships, our dating patterns, our data. Our
(11:34):
romantic rejection is social programming. We swipe left on our
own lineage and call it love. Colorism is not simply cultural,
It is clinical. The child who watch their dark skinned
mother suffer may unconsciously seek protection in proximity to whiteness.
(12:00):
The sun told or the daughter told right, you're cute
for a dark skinned boy or girl internalizes that beauty
must come with an asterisk in the nervous system. As
babet rothschild and Peter Levine confirmed remembers every racialized stimulus
(12:24):
mapping trauma into a reflex. The plantation now lives inside
the pleasure center. According to doctor Tommy J. Curry in
his book The Man Not the Black Body is not
only criminalized, it is erotically pathologized. Black men are simultaneously
(12:48):
desired and demonized right black women are hyper sexualized and
systemically disqualified from romantic protection unless they approximate whiteness. In
both cases, desire is dictated, not chosen. There is no type,
(13:10):
there is no training, and that training was perfected. The
disputed but allegorically true Willie Lynch letter outline the blueprint.
Divide the enslaved not only by gender and age, but
by skin shade, turn melanin into a hierarchy. Ooh, make
(13:36):
desire an algorithm of power. The logic didn't die, it digitized.
The plantation now lives in our swipes, our screens, our
subconscious enter. The colored lover not a person but a symptom.
(13:57):
The man who avoids dark skinned women, but it's Malcolm X.
The woman who loves black culture potates only white men
one eight hundred and nine, twenty fifteen eighty. The partner
who confuses fetish with attraction, the one who cannot separate
love from legacy or desire from domination. The colored lover
(14:20):
is not choosing. They are reenacting erotic reenactments of ancestraal rejection,
as Ivan van Surtema right revealed in They Came before Columbus.
African brilliance predates colonial contact by millennia, but in a
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world where dark skin is coated as danger and light
skin as an aspiration. Black children grow up in systems
where melanin is shameful, and we still ask why does
colorism persist when we come forward? If you're brave enough,
get on the phones, let's go, Doctor Wellson.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
Your theory to me seems to infer some innate behavior
on the part of a human being because they are
quote black or white. Would you agree or disagree that
the terms black and white are not genetic definitions. And
if they are not genetic definitions, then how could your
theory be true?
Speaker 7 (15:22):
Well, wait a minute, when you say genetic definitions, I'm
not quite sure what you say. But for the sake
of time, the factors that determine whether we're going to
have skin pigmentation or whether we lack skin pagmentation is
based on genes. In other words, you have genes that
determine the quantity of melanin pigment that is going to
be produced in your skin and your eyes and your hair.
(15:46):
If you have a gene a mutation towards an inability
to produce that pigment that is also genetically determined, and
that is, at least within the context of Western the
Western world, or the white supremacy culture, the dominant classification
of people not as determined by Francis Wilson, but as
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determined by white people themselves as your classification, either you
are white or you are classified as non white. This
is on your birth certificate, this is on every paper
of identification that you have. And this focus on skin coloration,
I maintain, is based on the awareness on the people
who are now in power that they are a minority.
The white group represents a minority in the world population,
(16:30):
and the color focus is something that is a psychological
I say, a psychological necessity based on a genetic reality.
So I don't know, uh, if this gets to your
question now, any other thing that one might say that
results from the absence of pigment. I mean, that's another discussion.
I don't know whether you want to go in.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Well, following that logic, then would it not be accurate
to say that there would be a difference psychologically in
light skin blacks from dark skin blacks.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
Well, psycholog yes, and I think that, uh, we are
all aware of that. Under white supremacy, the conditioning has
been the closer you are too white, the more acceptable
you are. So that, for example, all of us learned
as we were growing up in the black community, if
you are black, stay back, if you are brown, stick around,
(17:19):
if you are yellow, you're mellow, and if you're white,
you're right, and your appr the appreciation of an individual,
even within the black group itself, was very often based
on the relative absence of skin pigmentation, and even even
within families, children thought that they were ugly if they
were darker, and families parents have said that to children
(17:41):
even now. People wanna know the first when a baby
is just born in the hospital. Some of the first
questions that are asked by the black parents about the
child or the black family members.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
Is it light skin and does it have straight hair?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
To know how much value we're gonna put on this
new baby, because within the framework of the culture in
which we live, the closer you are the white, the
more you're considered beautiful and perhaps and under some circumstances
and more opportunities you will have.
Speaker 9 (18:08):
Well, doctor welles thing, if it is true that uh
you were dismissed from Howard because of uh your your
uh views on on that subject, what would you say
that the application and of the implications for academic freedom
at Howard University.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Well, I say that, first of all, Howard University is
a black university in name only. In other words, those
who fund an institution within the framework of a political system.
Those who fund an institution determine what is going to
be done within the framework of that institution. And so
although Howard University is referred to as a black university,
(18:45):
and the majority of the student body is black and
the majority of the faculty is black, still it is possible,
I say, it is possible that those people who control
the purse strings can say we do not like such
and such an ideology or philosophy that is coming out
of this center. If this continues to come out, then
we will not give you funds for building, and we
(19:07):
will not give you funds to continue the function of
your center. Now you make your choice.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Well, are you saying that this happened in your case
or is it simply the case of one dean saying
this to you?
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Let mean, well, let's put it this way. I can
I can only suspect that it happened if you ask
me to prove it, because I will say that the
same funding forces or sources if they said, well, we
like very much what doctor Welson is doing. First of all,
no one has ah been able to disprove what she's
saying that we think this is very interesting. I mean,
whether the theory is correct or any incorrect, it's a
(19:38):
valuable idea to discuss, or it is being discussed, like
we're glad to have that uh debate going on in
an academic And so.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
I would ask your audience, if they are watching, I
would ask them to close their eyes and I'm gonna
walk you through a guided imagery. Yeah, it is night
time when you're in your car. You could be the
driver or you could be the passenger. You look ahead,
(20:07):
and as you approach, you're noticing that they're blinking lights.
And as you get closer, you see that these blinking
lights are police cars. There are police cars blocking you.
There are police cars lining either side of the street.
Beyond the police cars is a yellow tape. Beyond the
(20:29):
yellow tape, there are three young men. They're on their knees,
their hands are handcuffed behind their backs, and they don't
have shirts on. Now, open your eyes and I ask
them what they see. Now, normally I don't ask it
(20:49):
to of adult audiences, but I can see it sometimes
when they flush because I said, I don't know what
you saw, but I'm gonna guess it wasn't three blond
haired blue eyed boys on their knees. And I do
that because I want folks to know what has been
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embedded in our psyches. And I said that, not only
have I asked that question of adults, I've asked it
of high school students and they see brown and black boys.
And I asked it of middle school children and they
see brown and black boys. And I dared not ask
it of elementary school children, because you see, those images
(21:34):
have been etched into our consciousness. Doesn't matter what your
values are, what you think, you believe, this country has
told you who the enemy is. They have engraved it
in your psyches. This is the dangerous one. This is
the one to be feared. This is the one that
we have to lock up.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
This is the bad guy. You're carrying it into your
intimate relationships, that ingrained, genetic, encoded, brainwashed. You're the villain
all the time. You're carrying it into your adult relationships.
And that's the modeling you're picking up from society. That's
(22:18):
not even talking about the modeling from home. So what
is relationship for? It's not just Netflix and chill. We've
over prioritized the superficial aspect of relationships. Relationships are about
recognizing the truth of who you are through the mirrored
(22:40):
experience of intimate relationships. Triggers are mirrors. Ooh, listen, that
was doctor Joy degru right after doctor Francis cress Welsing.
Both of them look and with the rarest grease. Man,
(23:03):
you're telling me this isn't in your relationship choices, has
nothing to do with it.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Back to Christian emerty, slayered its nuanced. What a Christian
emercy is no measure of health to be well adjusted
to a profoundly sick society. Is racism still a part
of this society? Philosophically, educationally, psychologically, hmm, go back and
(23:33):
look at some of the founders of psychology. Boy, racist
and a mug. Do you understand what I'm saying? This
isn't encoded in our relationships at all. Black children grow
up in systems where melanin is shameful and still ask
(23:54):
why does colorism persist? Because psychological colonization requires no chaine,
just desires. I want a light skinned woman, My baby
might have green eyes. I know the baby hare will
be intact. Desire right becomes the jail cell. France Fannin
(24:19):
warned in black skins, right, black skin, white masks. The
colonized people often attempt to become white through mimicry, not
just in language, but in longing. He cautioned, right to
love is to want to be loved by the other.
(24:40):
In a world where whiteness is that other, love becomes
racial aspiration, not intimacy. The colored lover is our topic tonight.
The colored lover should it is not a romantic type.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say here? If
it's not from soul resonance, where is it coming from? Right?
(25:09):
Deep stuff? We got callers online. Let's get him in
here right now. Stephanie from Maryland, come on up in here.
What are your thoughts on tonight's topic?
Speaker 11 (25:20):
Wow, such a great topic. I think that this is
a topic that we need to have discussions in our
families with. But yes, I did have a couple thoughts ahead.
I think that this gives us a lens. There's like
a lens that develops when we talk about colorism. I'm
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a dark skinned woman full of melanin, and it's like
I have an actual lens, and then I have like
the cautionary lens. But my actual actual lens I can
see the world as every man has opportunities to win.
But then the cautionary lens is I'm looking at the
systematic parts of things, and I'm considering what others are
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thinking and how they're judging me. And so, as a
dark skinned woman or child, I grew up hearing I
was beautiful, that I was smart, but I never heard
that I was pretty. And I confronted my family members
and I talked to you, like my friends about things
like this because it impacted me in childhood.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
But I don't mean to interrupt, but if you heard
you were beautiful, isn't beautiful and pretty like synonyms like.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
You would think you think so? You would think so.
So as a dark skinned young child, I grew up
with a best friend who was lighter than me, and
she had long hair, and she was more eccentric than
I was. And in comparison, it's things like she was
(27:00):
given the addressives pretty, or she was picked for different
things like to showcase, and you know, you would think
that it's, oh, no, this is fair. But over time,
us growing up together, it became very noticeable, and you know,
it did impact me. But I just always would make
(27:24):
sure that I would challenge myself and think about these
things and ask questions. My family didn't necessarily know how
to answer it. They more so just tried to brush
it under the rug. You know. But my family, being
a Southern family, we definitely practice colorism in our jokes.
Speaker 12 (27:46):
You know.
Speaker 11 (27:46):
We called some family members black, called some family members
white girl, and no they're not white, but this is
what we do. And then I had like one other example,
and I was an HBCU cheerleader. That's how reframed what
school it was. But at an HBCU Black school, I
tried out for cheerleading, and there there was another young
(28:09):
lady who was dark skin, similar frame, and she was
also just as good as me. And the thing is,
later on we both discovered that we both had the
same thoughts at the tryout. We looked at each other
and we thought, they're not going to pick both of us. Wow,
and this is a black squad. Because as a dark
(28:29):
skinned girl, especially at that point I'm like eighteen, I
know how things go systematically. Yes, you're all welcome to
try out, but a black squad is only going to
choose so many dark skined girls. And you know, this
is just what two thousand and four, and like I said,
we actually both made the squad. But the thing is,
(28:52):
we literally we talked about it, and because we both
had this, we looked at each other and it's crazy
that we had the same exact thought.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
And so let me just say, you guys were shocked
that you both made the squad and actually disproved because
you guys felt like they gonna only take one of us,
They can't take both of us, But then they wound
up and took both of you. So you were shocked, right, Yes,
And she grew.
Speaker 11 (29:16):
Up in Texas and I grew up in Maryland. So
for both of us to grow up in different places
and come to the same school that we went to
but still have the same thought process, that was very intriguing.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
No, it's interesting, it's interesting. Oh but wait, my engineer
is intrigued by your conversation. He's got questions. He was like,
were there a lot of light skinned girls on the
team as well?
Speaker 11 (29:50):
They're actually there, there weren't.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
So now Andy, now he mad, He said, wait a minute,
you you projecting? Now? Now, Andy's like you projected, Come on,
doctor or.
Speaker 11 (30:02):
Something, you know, but we're talking about it. We're talking
about it. There is a level of projection that I
had with that, of course, and the school that I
went to. Graciously No, they were recruiting the dark skinned,
melanin shape, lead woman like person, and so you know again,
(30:22):
it was very surprising. But overall how this impacted my relationships,
It made me feel a bit invisible. So I tho
chyldhood trauma like I felt like in my relationship.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
It presented as me, wait, wait, wait, I want to
give you more time. Just hold tight, stay on the line,
stick with me, because you're cooking right now. You've already
outlined the HBCU experience. You thought it was going to
be one thing and wound up being another. It was
actually a safe space where they were looking for the chocolate,
(30:58):
beautiful dunk in Hines chocolate system. Come on, then we're
gonna shift to the intimate relationship where it might be
a different type of experience. She was pleasantly surprised. In college.
Let's see if that trend continues when we come forward.
(31:19):
We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 12 (31:21):
And it was never real science. It was racism, ableism
and classism dressed up and lab coats and law books
paralyzed children jilled the disabled, banned people from being seen
in public just for how they looked. That's not just
dooping fiction. That was real life in America. They called
it science. They called it public decency. Eugenics and ugly
(31:44):
laws weren't just policies. There were tools of erasure and
the same beliefs behind them. They show up today and
I were politics, and I were public spaces, and yes,
even in your TikTok feed. Let's break down how these
systems worked and why we have to keep talking about
them or Eugenics is the idea that we can improve
humanity by controlling who gets to have children. It started
(32:07):
in the eighteen hundreds when Francis Galton, inspired by his
cousin Charles Darwin, decided some people were more fit than others.
In the US, Charles Davenport took this even further. He
created the Eugenics Record Office, where scientists tracked people they
labeled feeble, minded, immoral, or unfit. And it takes an
(32:27):
even darker turn over sixty thousand.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
People unfit, like you're an unfit human who makes that?
Speaker 12 (32:38):
Okay, go ahead, finish immoral or unfit, And it takes
an even darker turn over sixty thousand people, often poor, disabled, black,
indigenous for immigrants, were forcibly sterilized, often without even knowing.
Elaine Riddick, a black woman from North Carolina, was sterilized
at just fourteen years old after she had been assaulted.
(33:00):
She found out years later she had been permanently prevented
from having children without consent. She's not alone. Thousands of
stories like hers exist, all in the name of improving society.
And while eugenics work through surgeries and laws, ugly laws
controlled public space. Starting in the late eighteen hundreds, cities
like Chicago, Denver, and San Francisco passed ugly laws making
(33:24):
it illegal for people with visible disabilities to appear in public.
If you had missing limbs, facial differences, or other physical disabilities,
you could be fined, arrested, or harassed simply for being seen. So,
while eugenics start to erase people from future, genery.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
An ugly ticket, you get an you get a ticket
for being disfigured, and it's called the ugly law. And
then fast forward to today, twenty twenty five, we got
the big beautiful Bill, which is still ugly. Hey man,
(34:02):
go ahead, let it fish.
Speaker 12 (34:03):
Illegal for people with visible disabilities to appear in public.
If you had missing limbs, facial differences, or other physical disabilities,
you could be fined, arrested, or harassed simply for being seen.
So while eugenics try to erase people from future generations,
ugly laws try to erase them from public view. Both
(34:24):
systems were built on the same fear that disability, difference
and poverty may society weaker or impure. Both targeted the
same groups, disabled people, poor people, people of color. Fast
forward to today, these ideas haven't disappeared. On social media,
people casually toss around the word eugenics. Some think it's
(34:44):
just a thing, Others confused genetic research with eugenics entirely.
Bottom line, eugenics and ugly laws were about erasing people
who didn't fit a neural mold of perfection. One sterilized them,
the other hid them. Their legacies still affect how we
treat disability, poverty, and race today, from public policy to
online discourse.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
In the name of sweet baby raised barbecue sauce, what
is going on? This is what the great Marty meant.
Krishna heard. It is no measure of health to be
fully or well adjusted to a profoundly sick society, insane
(35:27):
people creating legislation, ugly laws. Let's get Stephanie back in
here from Maryland. Stephanie, my mind is blown right now.
So you had a good experience in college. Correct.
Speaker 11 (35:49):
I've had some good experiences from bad.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
But in general you were accepted there. You made the team,
the cheerleaders squad with another sister that is also Duncan
Hind's chocolatey goodness, which surprised the both of you. Right, So,
now tell me about the intimate relationship side. What was
(36:15):
your experience as a voluptuous devil's cake beauty? Come on,
what was that experience like? And was your skin accepted
by brothers? The brothers like covet you talk to me,
I want to know your experience.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Oh my, so I grew up feeling invisible and of
course we can throw a little low self esteem in there,
you know, just given some of my backgrounds with the colorism,
I know that that impacted me. And like I said,
from a dark skins person point of view, you hear
(36:55):
every word and you hear the differences in how you're
described versus is our light skinned person has described how
they are selected. Maybe more so than you are.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
Wait did you experience this in college and in your
adult life? Before you answer that, we're going to come forward,
but stay right there. We're going back to Maryland because
I want to get this thought. Let's do it is
a huge issue in America.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
How have you managed to have self love and self
respect in a country that holds grown name as a
standard of feilding.
Speaker 13 (37:33):
Strong foundation. As I said earlier, I grew up in
a host where my father I knew about Africa, and
I've visited Africa long before I even set foot in
Africa because my father had these big books with Africans, men, women, children,
and the culture. The culture was very rich in terms
(37:55):
of you know, you know, the different parts of African
the different culture that they come with. My father exposed
us to all of that. So I always understood from
an early age that my color was something that mattered
to the extent that I need to be conscious enough
(38:15):
to know that if somebody comments a you're black, like,
I must say, yeah, I love it, I'm black. Because
I grew up in Montegope and I went to a
high school where it was very relevant. Because it became
so relevant that there are times when you were in
a music class and the teacher would put all the
brown children at the front and all the dark skinned
ones at the back, and the treatment was different. The
(38:39):
treatment was so visibly different that we had to form groups.
And I remember my core group. We were very conscious
of it, such as we'd talk about it and we'd
laugh about it. We're like, you know, we notice that's
what she did, and we said, the only reason she
did that is because we were black and they are brown.
So it was very clear, but we I had to
(39:01):
see it for what it was and not for it
to bring us down, because I saw enough girls at
my high school, Bleach to get to where they they
thought they they need to to reach to be accepted.
But as I said, my foundation was strong, and that
they always told us that black is beautiful. Yes, you know,
(39:25):
so when somebody tell us they're not in black now gold,
you know that that person is somebody who is just ignorant,
who don't know better. And understood the whole concept of
the the plantation and is the the house, sleeve and
the field. We understood all of that because that they
made it so relevant in the house that when we
went to school and learning about it in the way
they taught it. It it It really never matter what
(39:45):
they were telling us, because we knew enough about all
of this because of all that they exposed us. But
I had to dig deep at times to not feel
infiltrated to the extent that I have. I I I
would ask why was I born this way? Because I
saw it in other people. I saw other people question
(40:09):
why they had to be born in this family with
this color because looco, it's rough for me here, so
not because I can't get to do what I wanted
to do because of my skin. I remember growing up,
I wanted to be a hare hoss. That's what I
wanted to be, and I always hear that, no, you
have a brown for you could pump play and go
work and do them things. And then the more the
older I got, is the more I recognize that that
(40:30):
is not even a job. Really, I mean, to be
serving people in the air is not a profession for
me in the in on the on a deeper level.
So then it was easy for me to step away
from that desire.
Speaker 14 (40:43):
And then the.
Speaker 13 (40:44):
Fact that I saw too that m moretu or d
door memble. If I met you and a black hair
hosays back then, but I saw what people used to
say that only brown people brown skinned people. So it
made me resent, resent it after a while because I
didn't understand why your skin.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
Man all over the world. It's genius. If the world
is melanated, divide, separate them so they'll never see their
their unity, They'll never see their power, their collective power.
(41:27):
Make the lighter ones feel superior to the darker ones.
Place the darker ones in the back, and the brown
and the mulchahs and the light ones in the front,
and create a hierarchy within themselves. Oh, we have to
maintain power. You've just tuned into the colored lover. That's
(41:49):
our topic tonight. The colored lover is not a romantic type.
It is a colonial consequence. In this project, right, this
show tonight is a tribunal. We indict the media, the
(42:10):
school books, the polepits, the family silence, the internalized propaganda
that taught us to loathe our reflection, to erodicize our erasure.
But we are also here to reclaim because melanin is
not just pigment, it is cosmic memory. As doctor Edward
(42:35):
Bruce Binam shows, right, melanin is a neurochemical intelligence, a
divine interface with the cosmos, with the cosmic order. To
reject it is not preference. It is psycho spiritual amnesia.
(42:55):
This is not theory. This is a psycho spiritual uprising.
We are no longer asking why colorism exists. We are
naming who benefits and unlearning what we were programmed to perform.
(43:16):
The colored lover must die, so the liberated lover may rise.
I know people don't want to hear it that way.
You don't want to hear put that way, But that's
the topic tonight. If you love someone of another race
and it's coming from the resonance and the authenticity of
(43:38):
who you are, from an individuated soul, one that has
done some work, that has gotten through some things, great,
it doesn't matter that you're in an inner racial relationship.
But if you're doing it out of self hate, who
you talking about? So? What was the quarterback that used
(44:02):
to play for the Washington Redskins that had his wife
RG three and he got on his little situation and
tried to go after a sister. And yes, I understand
two sides to the story, right, sure, you're a sports commentator.
(44:26):
I think he was going after Angel Reyes. Right. Sure,
you're a sports commentator, and just like say Stephen A. Smith,
your job is to ridicule, critique, praise, criticize whatever. But
the fact that you had your white wife in that
frame not only left your wife unprotected, but you kind
(44:51):
of pulled her into some don't tell me the man
called her a He didn't call her a monkey. No,
that's alleged. I can't believe it. Truemonger says, he called
her a monkey, not coming out of a black man's mouth.
He didn't do that. He didn't say that. Okay, cool,
(45:12):
But do you understand what I'm saying? Like, you live
in a racially charged society, why would you put your
wife in the frame? Like what message are you trying
to send? You already know we live in a trauma
porn society where anything that's drama, anything that's a mess,
they're gonna run with it. And whether you did it
on purpose or whatever, they're gonna frame it the way
(45:34):
they wanted to frame it. Like gosh, it's just a
lot in this toxic whirlwind of a society that we live.
Wait a minute, I'm getting conflicting. We'll look it up
and prove it. Andy says no, but pretty Brown Mimi's
seven to twenty six says yes.
Speaker 14 (46:01):
Video game basically what.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Oh?
Speaker 11 (46:15):
So?
Speaker 5 (46:15):
He said? It was uncalled for? Great alright, goodness, gracious DC.
How much of a muck and mire we get into?
But I got questions to ask him. Then i'm'na go
back to Stephanie, and then we're gonna go to Hawaii
right after that? Is your desire, your intimate desire, your
(46:36):
relationship preference, your taste, your racial preference? Is it yours
or your oppressors? Can love exists where shame still lives?
You see your skin color and you're shamed of it?
Speaker 15 (46:55):
Right?
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Can love live in that space? Who taught you that
light was right? Do you date safety or sovereignty? Has
your libido been hijacked by the empire? What cast system
(47:16):
lives inside your attraction? This is ugly. This is ugly work.
Tonight on the voice of reason. I don't know who
need this work, but this is ugly work. We need
this right now. Is color a code you choose or
you use to choose partners or avoid yourself? Is color
(47:43):
a code you use to choose partners or avoid yourself?
One eight hundred and nine twenty fifteen eighty. Get on
your phone lines. I want to talk to everybody. What
part of your body still longs for colonial approval? Hell?
What part of your soul still longs for colonial approval?
(48:06):
When you swipe? Whose pain are you repeating? What wounds
do your preferences protect? Do you desire escape or intimacy?
What does your skin tone mean to your nervous system? Oh?
(48:30):
Who benefits from your patterns of rejection? What childhood wound
shaped your romantic type?
Speaker 8 (48:40):
Ugh?
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Is your erotic response rooted in trauma or truth? What
role did your family play in shaping shame around melanin?
Speaker 14 (48:57):
Ugh?
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Are you you healing or re enacting your lineage? Has
whiteness become your compass for pleasure? What version of you
do you silence to be desired? Can your soul be
seen in a color coded world? I don't know. Hey,
(49:20):
we got questions, We got folks on the line. Lord,
have mercy. Stephanie, get back in here, child, Come on?
What role did your family play? I want to know.
I want to know. Talk to me, talk to me
about your internet. Let's go, let's go. Stephanie, come on,
so much?
Speaker 11 (49:39):
You asked the right question. I can answer the traumatic
question because we were talking about the dark skin colorism impact.
So again I felt invisible due to that. It wasn't
until I did the inner work later that I saw
my value and understood that I actually have presence because
(50:00):
with my melanin. But the thing is in intimate relationships.
I was attracted to people that saw me as invisible
or basically ignored me. And so that was very, very
huge revelation because it's like.
Speaker 5 (50:14):
Oh my gosh, no, this is it gets even deeper, though,
it gets even deeper. Yeah, so you attracted people that
treated you as if you were invisible? Correct?
Speaker 11 (50:28):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (50:30):
Why did you attract people that treated you as if
you were invisible? Let's see if you're if you're tapped in,
let's see.
Speaker 11 (50:40):
Well, because I interpreted my experience as a child as
being invisible.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
Let's go, let's go. Did you want to be invisible?
Is the question?
Speaker 11 (50:53):
Oh no, definitely not.
Speaker 5 (50:56):
Let's go deeper. Talk to me. You said you're experience.
This is big. Yes, you said your experiences right as
a child. Talk to me about those experiences less unpack them.
Speaker 11 (51:14):
Well, yeah, I mean I was very active as far
as like creativity, and things like that. I imagine that I
wouldn't be more sociable, and that's what I had desired,
But I wasn't. I was very shy when I was young.
Speaker 5 (51:31):
Right. But I think what you're really telling us is
at home your loved accepted. Right in the school place,
maybe not so much. Right? Yeah, Then did you internalize
some of the feelings that were coming to you from schoolmates? Classmates?
(51:55):
Do you understand what I'm saying By ernalizing, that becomes
a type of magnet that calls in the concominate experience,
especially in your adult relationships. Do you see how I'm saying,
Like part of it is you believing something about your darkness,
(52:17):
you believing something about your melanin. That's what I'm trying
to get you to see, right, Because guess what, if
you're in a space of I love me regardless, my
mama loved me, my daddy loved me. My brothers and
sisters they love me, and they taught me to love me,
I'm accepting of me, damn, regardless of what the hell
(52:39):
anybody else got to say. If you stepped into those
school environments with that mindset, how they thought about you
and their prejudice or their ignorance would bounce right off.
Do you understand what I'm saying? But I think a
little bit of it got into you, and once it
gets into your soul, it becomes this magnet. The worst
(53:04):
thing you can do is believe a low thought that
somebody else planted in you about you exactly because now
it's it's a lighthouse and you calling in the mirror
image of that. For what purpose, ma'am to heal it,
(53:28):
to see it, to embrace it and go, oh wow,
I do think this about me. That's why I said,
did you want to be Did you really want to
be seen? Or were there portions of you that actually
believed you deserved to be invisible? H Yeah, that's the
(53:49):
heavy you wait. Hold on Mary Nate when we come
for we're going back to Maryland because she's cooking right now.
Speaker 16 (53:58):
The reasons that we're hearing, the reason is that we
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Speaker 5 (56:15):
Hey wait wait wait, Holo, Andy Holo. I love Angie Stone,
but the flames around this topic. The flames are they
say the Grizzlies are leaving Yellowstone because there is some
(56:38):
seismic activity, some volcanic activity in that caldera up there.
There's flames, there's magma in the chamber in this show.
I think we need Kendrick, the Black of the Berry.
I think we need that energy to match the flames
(56:59):
that sisters. Stephanie is actually lighting up this show with man.
She's on absolute fire, and I think we gotta change
the energy. We're too laid back. Right now we need
some amp up. Wait there it is, let's.
Speaker 8 (57:15):
Go, said santamon Byna Street. You has not a phone scene.
Speaker 20 (57:46):
And sometimes I get off watching you guy and bang
of such a shame.
Speaker 8 (57:50):
They may up crazy, they may say something schizophrenic. He
has something made you a crack.
Speaker 20 (58:07):
I'm the biggest hip of crit in twenty fifteen. Once
I finished this weakness, this will comfacians. What I mean,
the feeling this way since I was sixteen, came to
my senses. You never liked this, see anyway with your friendship.
I'm mentag, I'm African American. I'm African, I'm black. It's
the moon heritage. You'm a small feelish party of my
residence came from the bottom of my man gun.
Speaker 5 (58:25):
My hair are snapping this big, my nose is rounded.
Speaker 8 (58:28):
Wise you hate me, don't you?
Speaker 20 (58:30):
You hate my people if your planners determinate my coach
you spiking Eve for I want you to recognize that
I'm a proud monkey. You're fail to lost my perception.
But kay take steff from it. And this is more
than confession. I mean I might press the button said,
so you know my discretion. I'm called it my feelings.
I know that your killing caver sached my community. Making
a killing, you made me a killer. E masur pace,
you never.
Speaker 21 (58:49):
Ruined Kelly Hashtag says Kevin Hart is not welcome in
each of them, and then the.
Speaker 8 (59:00):
Message you are welcome to Egypt.
Speaker 21 (59:04):
Egyptians aren't Africans.
Speaker 8 (59:08):
We're the real builders of the civilization.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
No one else.
Speaker 21 (59:12):
The afro Centric.
Speaker 10 (59:14):
Is just a lie.
Speaker 21 (59:16):
They are liars. Egypt is our land, not the Africans.
Speaker 5 (59:22):
Okay, I can't listen to it. I'm sorry, I'm triggered.
Do you know anything about history? You know the Arabs
got there eight hundred years ago, and the Arabs Okay,
I'm triggered. Yeah, that's a whole who breathes though.
Speaker 15 (59:46):
Yeah, you don't have to follow the Roman empire and
then and then the Arabs came man after to followed
the Roman.
Speaker 5 (59:57):
Because then, okay, all right, Stephanie, come back in here,
come back in here, Stephanie. Lord, Oh Jesus, Jesus in
help Jesus, help is man? Okay, Stephanie. Yes, you were
(01:00:18):
explaining your you know, your experience, and you know people
treating you a certain kind of way because of your
skin tone. But I will ask this question, at what
point did you say to yourself, I am gorgeous, I
am beautiful? When did you change the internal narrative.
Speaker 11 (01:00:47):
I think it began at the beginning of my cheer career,
which was in high school, because I had always been
serious types of playing a piano, violin martial arts. But
then I wanted to do something totally opposite to say,
(01:01:08):
like cheerleading, and so I started too. I guess that
was the beginning of me learning to see myself as beautiful,
but again just the beginning. It took a long time.
I would say, now I am thirty eight, and it
(01:01:29):
probably happened around maybe thirty five that I really started
to see myself as beautiful and pretty and understanding my
presence that I bring wherever I am. And it didn't.
It took in our work, not just isolation, but I
(01:01:51):
would say, pursuing the things that I like, my hobbies.
Working out for sure, a do I would say, for
me to work out. But yeah, it was only until
I really really focus in on myself and didn't allow
anyone to distract me loving myself that I discovered through
(01:02:15):
self love my true value. But again it took a
long time, a lot of trials and error, and so
I do a lot of youth work, and I try
to tell parents, you know, to talk to their young
people about their self esteem and tell them that they're
beautiful and pretty, enhance them and all those things, but
(01:02:37):
also check in.
Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Let me just say this, sister girl, you have lightened
up my life with your darkness. Sweetheart, you beautiful with me.
You understand you, Yeah, you have lightened it. I am
so appreciative of your call. This is your first call
into the show. So I'm gonna say this. Guess what
(01:03:00):
you just.
Speaker 11 (01:03:00):
Did about oxen Hill into the building.
Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
Come on, lame, if you want to bring your city
into the building, all you gotta do is call me
at one eighty when we come forward the Big Island.
Speaker 22 (01:03:15):
I try not to go to Dia too much, but
his model is very is very good for understanding difference
between Africans and Europeans. We we don't understand the depth
of the spiritual difference. My mumbers Urubu is very instrumental
in understanding that this isn't just some surface, superficial cultural
(01:03:40):
thing that distinguishes us from them. When you look historically
at them, you see patterns. Those patterns don't don't change.
They understand who they are, They understand what they're about,
even if it's a subconscious level, and they ask accordingly,
(01:04:01):
the same thing with us. The problem is we've been
in their company, if you will, under their oppression for
so long that we have lost that they are who
they are and that's not gonna that's not gonna change.
And that's where the confusion kicks. And we think that
they have become something different because they smile at us now,
because they'll give us larger crumbs. Now, we don't get
that they are always going to be who they are.
(01:04:21):
If somebody hates you, you can tell you know, it's pretty obvious.
I might not be able to prove that, or paper,
I might not be able to do an experiment to
prove it.
Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
Brother Baruti in here cutting up the fire is lit tonight.
You ain't got to agree with nothing. We're using the
Socratic method here. We're asking questions. We want to know.
We're investigating where does this love come from? If it
comes from a wound? Will you enter a self hating
(01:04:57):
relationship in order to raise yourself esteem because the society
taught you that your skin is ugly. Your skin is unattractive,
your skin is other. We've got callers on the line,
Otto Town business from Oakland. What are your thoughts on
(01:05:20):
tonight's topic.
Speaker 14 (01:05:22):
Man, I'm laking, bro, appreciate you so.
Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
Brother.
Speaker 14 (01:05:28):
I just want to just thank you man for all
the contributions you have made to my understanding and development
and spirituality and my relationship with my wife. So man
rocking with you've man for almost ten years now, about
eight years.
Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 14 (01:05:48):
So. I got your books, you know what I'm saying,
and I just appreciate you writing. And you know I
don't force them on nobody. You know what I'm saying.
I just I just read them and keep it myself
off and if I'm a good reflection of your word,
that they'll come and ask me.
Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Right. I can feel the Oakland any man I feeling.
Speaker 14 (01:06:12):
Hey Man, we all Cali bound.
Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
Bro.
Speaker 14 (01:06:14):
You know what I'm saying in our stretches of of
nothing bezos and idols. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
That's what it is.
Speaker 14 (01:06:21):
Yes, Uh, let me get on the tip that I
know me and you can appreciate Dravidians thought.
Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Yes, Hermes, Yes.
Speaker 14 (01:06:33):
These are all celebrations of darkness, you know what I'm saying,
All celebrations of death, all celebration of the mother of
black holes, of understanding of mother Nature. So this is
a perspective that darkness was celebrated in this era.
Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Cali gotta throw Cali in there.
Speaker 14 (01:06:56):
Listen here, brother, I wasn't gonna throw it in there
because people, you know what I come on, that's why
you that's why you my real ninja, Yes, sir, facts on,
facts bro bro. So this is an era where darkness,
over hundreds of thousands of years was celebrated, and so
(01:07:17):
we looked for the darkest women, We looked for the
darkest men. We've looked for the darkness of our spirituality,
our mindset to go deeper, the medications, the shadow work. Man,
this was all about, man, the real ninjas, you know
what I'm saying. And now we kind of like turn
a page and give light some light, no pun intended,
(01:07:38):
you know what I mean. And I think that the
light skin kind of like came into uh you know,
the surface around the time where they painted homeboying cousins
as Jesus. You know what I'm saying. So come on, now,
you know what I'm saying, I don't want to get
too nerdous nerdy for y'all go talk.
Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
Hey, I'm right here with you, you know, come on.
Speaker 23 (01:08:07):
So so here we are querying age and we're doing
aquarian things, you know what I'm saying on some on
some command control manipulation type of things instead of letting people,
you know what I'm saying, unfold as they understand their
own God.
Speaker 14 (01:08:20):
But uh, I think it's good. I think, you know,
we we had darkness as a celebration and now we're
given the life of celebration because that's that's part of balance,
you know what I'm saying. But I don't I don't
limit The reason why I started off with all those
variations of of of nations that me and you talked
about far as religions, is that it's not something just
(01:08:42):
in sync with black people from slavery and and everybody
that you know that you grew up loving death singing
your R and B song was black, dark skinned women.
I mean, Whitney Houston. Wasn't nobody finding it in hurt a.
Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
Hair Man.
Speaker 14 (01:09:02):
So I don't know where these women get that we wanted.
You know what I'm saying, something that always looked like
Foxy Brown. That's that's a lie. That's a lie. Now
you got that from Black Exploitation.
Speaker 23 (01:09:13):
Our heroes and.
Speaker 14 (01:09:14):
Are are are are are women. You know what I'm saying.
She Rose was always dark skinned women kicking in adult
with big nappy afros when we made the movie. So
who you watching? Who thread you own? You gotta take
responsibility for your own influences and what you got intoxicated on,
because you know from us it don't matter the color
(01:09:35):
of the of the skin, but it's the color of
the soul.
Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Man, man, man, guess what you just did out o Man?
Speaker 14 (01:09:43):
This town a corn business in this moment.
Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, hey man, we've been on fire
all night. Man. Melanine is not pigment. It is prime intelligence,
a biochemical symphony, acred interface between matter and memory, sun
and soul, cosmos and consciousness. It absorbs the light of
(01:10:08):
stars and reinterprets it into life. It is the neurochemical
fingerprint of creation, and that is precisely why it had
to be redefined. Listen, I just start the conversations. Man.
I ain't in here trying to be right, but guess
what you can go do research and see if I was,
(01:10:29):
you know, at least in the ball park. I'll be
back tomorrow with another slapper. You already know what it is,
the vo R. Let's get it.
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