Aquarium of the Dead with Special Guest Jacob Quijas | Zombie Book Club Ep 116 - Zombie Book Club

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SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
What is a zombie boat club?
The only boat club where thebook is a poorly constructed
aquarium with only one guest whopurchased a VIP pass despite
being the only customer presentin the whole park.
I'm Dan, and when I'm not goingto the aquarium alone on my
birthday for a horribly sad VIPexperience, I'm writing a book
about a zombie apocalypse thatcould have been easily avoided,

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much like every part of thismovie.

SPEAKER_03 (00:42):
Burn.
And I'm Leah, and today is acasual debt episode with our
special zombesti and guest fortoday, Jacob Kehas.
With a marine biology degree anda passion for people, Jacob
started a podcast aboutfestivals in 2022.
And through the podcast, he'slearned about festivals that
celebrate literally everything,like James Dean, the blob,
pickles, owls, cheese, and somuch more.

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From there, he found a deepfascination of cultural studies
and sociology in all forms, bothpast and present.
No wonder he's a Zombie, and hasbecome a friend of Zombie Book
Club over the past year.
Welcome to the club, Jacob.
We are so excited to finally betalking to you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19):
I'm I'm so excited to be talking to you guys too.
Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
This should have happened a year ago.
Yeah.
This is like a mini festival.
The three of us are a festival?

SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
Yeah, we're festivaling.

SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
I mean, yeah, we're gathering, we're we're communic,
we're talking about the samething and our passion for it.
So yeah, that's kind of the barebones of a festival.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38):
Jacob, what would you call this festival?

SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
Uh, you know, I I'd hate to be you kind of already
stole it by saying thezombesties, so I'd probably just
call it the zombesti festival orzombestifest?

SPEAKER_03 (01:50):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51):
All right, we're stealing that.
Yeah, zombesti festival.
We we came up with it.
It's our idea.
Get out of here, Jacob.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58):
It was not very zombesti festivut, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
Um, I have a marine biologist joke that I have to
get out of the way umimmediately.
There was this animated shortthat I saw like 10 years ago,
and it won't leave my brain,anyways.
It's a grandpa with hisgrandson.
He goes to his neighbor's houseand uh knocks on the door, and
the neighbor answers.
And he's like, he's like, goahead and go ahead and tell him

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what you want to be when yougrow up.
And his grandson's just like,oh, I want to be a marine
biologist.
And the grandpa's just like,yeah, you hear that?
A marine biologist.
Oohrah.
And that lives in my head everysingle day.

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I'm I'll be just sitting in mytruck and like, ooh.
That's great.

SPEAKER_03 (02:51):
Um have you heard that one before?

SPEAKER_00 (02:54):
No, I haven't.
No.
How long is basic training to bea marine biologist?

SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
Four years and a lot of ramen.
Wow.
If you're lucky.

SPEAKER_00 (03:05):
That is intense.
Um, we have some rapid firequestions for you that we will
judge you deeply on.
Um boy.
The first one, I mean, in thisone, we're gonna learn so much
about you, about how you feelabout the entirety of the human
race.
Because it is your choice tochoose whether you work 40 hours

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a week or the world is infectedby a zombie apocalypse.
Which would you prefer to livein?
Uh, one where you go to work orone where there's zombies.

SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
I'm I'm gonna really try to be unique with my answers
here, but I'm gonna say I wouldlove a zombie apocalypse, but on
a 40-hour works like schedule,like Monday through Friday.

SPEAKER_00 (03:54):
So you leave in the morning, you're like, bye, hun,
I'm going to the apocalypse.

SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
Oh, yeah.
And then Saturdays, Sundays, Iget off.
Like, I'm I'm just off to relax.

SPEAKER_00 (04:04):
I think that's something that we could all sign
on to.

SPEAKER_03 (04:07):
I would I think you hit the perfect compromise.

SPEAKER_00 (04:10):
Yeah.
Yeah, I'd sign up for that.

SPEAKER_03 (04:14):
I mean too.
Having like recently beingunemployed, I've been thinking a
lot about this and being like,you know what, maybe I would
choose the 40-hour work week,but I think you just solved my
dilemma.

SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
So, you've paid, yeah.
Hopefully, zombie apocalypsepays pretty well.

SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
Yeah, I I hope they have like a good, you know, um
benefits package, consideringthe risks.

SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
Yeah.
Um, so you you get your 40-houra week zombie apocalypse.
Um, you're you're leaving forthe day, you go to your wall of
weapons, which I imagine isright by your door.
Um, or maybe there's a secureroom in the back.
I don't know where you keep yourzombie weapons.

SPEAKER_03 (04:55):
You might get your weapon when you go to work.

SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Yeah, or maybe it's maybe it's in the umbrella
holder.

SPEAKER_03 (05:00):
I like that.
Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:02):
What would be your weapon of choice before you're
going to zombie work?

SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
You know, initially, I you know, for the longest time
I've bit it, I've been a big uhlike Louisville slugger kind of
guy.
Um, but I think about like thecontagion, you know, I I I
imagine like bashing some brainsin, and if it's contagious, like
you're getting a lot of spraywith that, right?
So yeah, it's so since you saidimagine, I'm really gonna throw

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a curveball.
Um, I'm probably gonna say likea lightsaber would probably be
my my weapon of choice.

SPEAKER_00 (05:36):
You know, you bring up such a great point because as
everybody who is a fan of StarWars knows, the lightsaber
instantly cauterizes the wound.
So you chop off a zombie head,there's no splatter, there's no
blood.

SPEAKER_01 (05:52):
Yeah, and you look cool, and it's also like a light
source, you know.
Maybe you could start a firewith it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (05:57):
So you need a light source.
You are a delight.
I think this would be fun.
But this is just this is Ithought I thought I was gonna
have to say three in a row forthe baseball bat.

SPEAKER_01 (06:07):
Yeah.
I don't, you know, and and nowI'm wondering, I this is kind of
off topic, or it kind of is, butlike, can a lightsaber work
underwater?
Like, I don't know if that'sever become a thing.

SPEAKER_03 (06:17):
Well, there is, we have to Google this.
Let's see if somebody else hasasked this question.

SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
I I feel like episode one was like the closest
we ever got to knowing theanswer to that.
Right, because they went to theunderwater.

SPEAKER_03 (06:29):
Uh this has been a long discussion on Reddit from
11 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 (06:34):
I'm sure it goes back further than that.

SPEAKER_03 (06:36):
It says most lightsabers, this this is a
random thing.
Most lightsabers are vulnerableto water.
However, uh the circle or no,not the circle, sorry, the
crystal circuit can easily shortout when submerged.

SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
Oh, okay.
All right.
Well, just don't submerge thatpart, huh?
I could put the beam in thewater, probably, but yeah, but
not the inside.

SPEAKER_03 (06:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:57):
Yeah, you'd think that somebody would have like
um, you know, waterproofed theirlightsaber, like just you know,
dip it in some latex orsomething.

SPEAKER_03 (07:04):
This is a whole rabbit hole.
This could be our whole episode.
What happens?
Could a lightsaber melt abullet?
What happens uh if it's itwhat's the coldest lightsaber?
Uh can a lightsaber boil water?
This is sort of in line withmarine biology.

SPEAKER_00 (07:20):
Yeah.
Did you learn about this in uhmarine biology boot camp?
There's a whole TikTok video.

SPEAKER_01 (07:27):
I mean, I'm thinking about like magma, you know, like
when a volcano erupts underwaterand just like it's like bubbling
around it.
So that's how I'd imagine alightsaber look like underwater.
Yeah.
Or at least the beam, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:38):
The uh the leadenfrost effect.
The leadenfrost effect.
The what?
Yeah, you know, um, so like youcan you can put your hand you
can submerge your hand in likeliquid nitrogen despite it being
like 240 degrees below zerobecause of the leadenfrost
effect.
So like the the heat of yourhand creates uh barrier.

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Creates a barrier because assoon as the liquid nitrogen
comes in contact with your hand,it boils the liquid nitrogen
because your your bodytemperature is higher than the
boiling temperature of nitrogen.
So for a little while, until thesurface temperature of your skin
cools down, it's just bubblesforming off of your skin and

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it's creating this bubblebarrier.

SPEAKER_03 (08:22):
Jacob, does your partner also get to hear you
tell her uh random facts likethis?
Because I'm just looking at Danlike, wait, what's happening?

SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
Uh let's move on to very important questions.
Um you find an unlimitedunlimited shelf stable food
item.

SPEAKER_03 (08:44):
Um you're only eating it during your 40 year,
this is like your lunch.

SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
Yeah, this is why you're bringing the lunch every
day for the rest of your life.
Lunch, snacks, maybe your maybeyour breakfast.
I don't know if you're abreakfast before work or like
you try to sneak it like whileyou're there.
You're like, I'm gonna get paidto eat breakfast.
Um either way, like this is youonly get one thing, it's gotta

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be shelf stable because it'sit's it's gotta stay there.
It's gotta stay there whileyou're at home on the weekends.

SPEAKER_01 (09:14):
Right, yeah.
So what's my pick, huh?
Um, I think so.
I'm gonna this is another uniqueanswer.
So you guys probably know myanswer already, but I'm gonna
throw another curveball at you.
So I love spicy food.
Like I I could eat spicy foodanything.
And uh I would love for Z MartinBrown to make his his uh what

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was it called?
Last nut uh nut of the livingdead.
One of his peanut butter.
I would love for him to make hishis unique peanut butter, but if
he can make a spicy peanutbutter, I would love that.

SPEAKER_03 (09:51):
So why is the collab waiting to happen?
Why isn't this a thing?
Spicy peanut butter?
That makes perfect sense.
I mean, they've had spicy peanutsauce, right?

SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
And they I know they make like habanero jelly, you
know?
Yeah.
So I don't know.
I feel like spicy peanut wouldbe great.
Spicy peanut butter would beawesome.
So if he makes that, I'll helphim with the marketing on it.

SPEAKER_03 (10:13):
One of the favorite names that he gave was PB and
Slay.
So it could be PB and spicysleigh?
Slay spice.
Um at the workshop this.
Um I don't know if this questionapplies.
Do you get to watch TV at work?

SPEAKER_00 (10:28):
Uh I I guess it depends now because you your
your job is maybe during mylunch or something.
Yeah, your your job is thezombie apocalypse.
So now uh uh so you found thissolar powered DVD player, and he
it's time for you to slack offat work.
Um but you gotta you gotta picklike one thing that you're gonna

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watch for the you know re atleast the rest of your work
life, apparently.

SPEAKER_03 (10:56):
With your PB and spicy slay.

SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
Yeah, and like it's like a box set.
So it could be a TV show, itcould be like a uh a movie
franchise, it could even be oneof those like Walmart four in
one packs that are like themedaround like Harrison Ford or
like vampires or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (11:14):
Right.
Um, I think I think I wouldprobably want so you know it's
it's a it's a tie.
So it's a tie between theTwilight Zone, because I think
all those are just really fun,um, very scientific, uh science
fiction and a lot of philosophyin them, and they're really

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engaging.
Or also maybe like The Simpsons,which I'm not even like a huge
Simpsons fan, but you know howthey say that you know these
Simpsons episodes are likepredicting the future.
Yeah, like I would I want to seeall the episodes and maybe I
could find some stuff to tofigure out the future.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:52):
And I feel like in the zombie apocalypse, they're
still making new episodes.

SPEAKER_03 (11:56):
Is there a zombie Simpsons?

SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
There has to be one of the first Tree House of
Horror um uh episodes.
They had uh you know, Night ofthe Living Dead sort of thing
going on where all the people uhin Springfield got infected with
a zombie virus.
Homer blows Ned Flanders' headsclean off, and they're like, You
killed zombie Flanders, and hewas like, Flanders was a zombie?

SPEAKER_03 (12:24):
Oh, I like Flanders.

SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Yeah, and then also the zombies came and tried to
eat Homer, but then they lookedat his and at his head and
became disinterested.

SPEAKER_03 (12:35):
Hard topic shift, last rapid fire question.
This one's just for you.
What ocean creature, as a marinebiologist, would you be most
terrified of encountering if itwas a zombie?

SPEAKER_01 (12:45):
I think by far it would probably be a barracuda,
just because they're they'rescary already, like not even
zombified.
And they have like razor sharpteeth, they're super fast, like
yeah, I think they're already adeadly weapon.
So for them to have like thisthis uh this killer virus in
them would be would be nuts.

SPEAKER_03 (13:06):
Do barracudas bite people?

SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Uh I don't I don't think so.
They no, I I really don't thinkso, but I don't want to take
their chance.
I'm sure when they're zombified,they probably do.

SPEAKER_00 (13:16):
They're gonna eat everything, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:18):
When um when we were in Jamaica, uh I was talking to
um a Jamaican on the beach, andthey were talking about how we
were crazy for swimming where wewere swimming.
And uh the reason is becausethere were barracuda out there.
Oh my gosh.
And um I'm like, I'm like, ohwell, if if we die, we die, I

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guess.

SPEAKER_03 (13:42):
Then I learned that the shiny things on our little
GoPro handle like attractedfish.
So I needed to stop using thatbecause I was like, I don't
really want to encounter abarracuda.
Oh not zombified, let alonezombified.

SPEAKER_01 (13:54):
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
I think like if if they have ifit's like something shiny or
like something that looks like adistressed, almost, you know,
like any kind of fishing lure,like a barracuda might might be
on the on the rampage for it.

SPEAKER_03 (14:07):
I feel like this is the only opportunity I can tell
this story on the podcast.
So I'm gonna do it.
Uh me and my ex-wife went toHawaii and we were snorkeling,
and um, there were monk seals onthe like there was like a
special like um what's the wordI'm looking for?
It was like fenced off because Iguess they're an endangered
species.
You probably know much moreabout this than I do.
Anyways, she got I I don't likewe got separated.

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I don't know where she was.
I went back to shore and I waslike, I hope you're not dead out
there.
I was just like waiting for herto come back.
And then eventually she cameback freaking out because she
had had followed a monk seal andwas just like watching it from
the water above and thenrealized how deep it was.
And um, she's just like lookingat it, and then she decided to
try and like dive down a littlebit to get closer to it.
That wasn't a good idea, Jacob.

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The thing turned around and likewent up right up into her face
and like blew bubbles in herface, and she's convinced to
this day that it chased her backto the land.
I don't know if that's true, butI was frankly jealous.
I was like, I wanted that monkseal.

SPEAKER_01 (15:04):
Yeah, they look they're pretty cute.

SPEAKER_03 (15:06):
Yeah, until they're up close.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
Blowing bubbles in your face, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:12):
The ocean scares me.

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it it kind of scares metoo.
There's there's a lot of stuffabout it that even like during
my my education, I was like, Areyou freaking kidding me?
Like it's that deep, or youknow, that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (15:27):
The the ocean seems like a world of of non-stop
violence.
I feel like Mitch Hedberg saidit best, which is like, he was
like, you know, fish can't can'tmake noise, they don't have
vocal cords, but if they could,the ocean would be loud as shit.

unknown (15:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:46):
Definitely.

SPEAKER_03 (15:47):
Well, some animals make noise, right?
In the ocean, like whales,dolphins.

SPEAKER_00 (15:52):
But they're mammals.

SPEAKER_03 (15:53):
Do octopuses octopi, do they make sounds?

SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
Uh no, they don't they don't make any.
There's I think um oh man, Ijust had it.
I know like some some of themwill will kind of like clack
with their not octopuses, but umlike some crustaceans, but it's
more about uh like notnecessarily for communication,
it's more to like tell tell toscare off a predator or

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something.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:18):
Yeah.
I mean those claws are fuckingscary.

SPEAKER_00 (16:23):
Yeah.
And I like crustaceans.
I mean, people love eating craband lobster, but like, you know,
e like early as a kid, they'relike, we're gonna have fancy
food.
And I'm like, those are bugs.
Yeah, you're eating giantspiders.

SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
Yeah, I think that's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 (16:43):
I feel like this is completely out of order from our
outline, but I we I am requiredto bring up the spider crab
zombies from Aquarium of theDead right now.

SPEAKER_02 (16:53):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:53):
And just say that they look so fake to me.
But I that was one of myquestions for you.
Were those real?
Like, were those is that what aI haven't looked it up.
I've saved it for you.
Is that what a crab looks like?

SPEAKER_01 (17:03):
Not not.
I mean, they look kind of closeto the uh what is it?
Is it I gotta look it up?
I always forget it.
It's the it's it's not the kingcrabs, it's the let me see,
those yeah, the king crabs,yeah.
They uh they have those longlegs.
It they kind of look like that,but they wouldn't be standing up
like that on the surface.
They're they're not reallystrong enough to have those kind

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that kind of movement.
More or less lurching at yourface.

SPEAKER_03 (17:28):
Are they that big?

SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Oh yeah, they get they get big.
Well, they they constantly grow,so they molt and then they
they're only limited by you knowum their environment, really,
but they'll they'll keepgrowing.

SPEAKER_03 (17:42):
I know you can't see my face, but I'm so grossed out
right now.
That makes me want to watch itagain.
I think I'd have moreappreciation of that scene.

SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
Yeah.
I don't know, probably not.

SPEAKER_03 (17:54):
Well, before we get into more um marine biology
zombie specialty that you did inschool and talk about the movie
Aquarium of the Dead that wewatched together uh for the
watch party.
Actually, this week, I wouldlove uh just to talk about our
meat cute as zombie because Ithink it was around this time
last year.

SPEAKER_01 (18:11):
Yeah.
So that's that's that's a reallygreat wholesome story, I think.
Um so yeah, I used to host apodcast called Viva La Festiva,
and it was about festivals, andit's really cool.
You could really just pair aword with the word festival,
like you mentioned earlier, andyou could find something,
whether that's yeah, the JamesDean, pickles, uh, owls,

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everything.
And um in the production of mypodcast, I would make an effort
to promote other podcasts thatwere about the theme.
Yeah.
And so uh I did when I waslooking up festivals or zombie
festivals, I came across onecalled the Milton Zombie Fest.
And um it seemed like it wasmore about uh celebrating, not

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not necessarily zombies, butmore about like uh theatrics and
special effects, because I thinkthat was the highlight is like
special effects to make you looklike a bleeding oozy zombie, you
know.

SPEAKER_02 (19:07):
Delicious.

SPEAKER_01 (19:08):
Yeah.
And um, so I had set that all upand then I the same thing with
finding a word and finding andputting the word festival with
it.
I found the word and I put theword podcast next to it, and it
came across to you guys.
And yeah, and um, yeah, so thatand I I I usually whenever I do
that, I take a few uh a few daysto listen into the podcast and

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make sure it's something I wantto, you know, promote.
And sure, yeah, of course.
I I heard you guys and I waslike, this is awesome.
And uh that's how I met youguys.

SPEAKER_03 (19:40):
Thank you.
Tell us more about how great weare.

SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
So you take a few days to make sure we're not uh
we're not scamming anyone.
Sure, yeah.
Buy all of our herbalsupplements.
Make sure they're on they're onthe up and up.

SPEAKER_01 (19:56):
Right, yeah.
And you know, honestly, and abig thing was because I had
contacted a a I w I won'tmention their name, but I did
contact another zombie podcast.
How dare you?
Well, no, this is before youguys.
I'd accept, but no, that's stillon a this is that's but they uh
they asked me, like, well, howmany listeners do you get?

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And I was like, what like isthat a personal question?
Yeah, like I don't know.
It felt like, why does thatmatter?
Like, I just want to share yourpodcast.
I'm not even yeah, you know,charging you.
I just want to promote you.
Take me out to dinner first,geez.
Yeah, and so it became kind oflike I don't really want to, I'd
rather promote Zombie Book Clubpodcast.

SPEAKER_03 (20:37):
Well, thank you.
I think that that that um littlestory actually says a lot about
who you are as a person.
And obviously, we have we havedeveloped a parasocial
relationship over the last year.
Um but I think it's really coolthat you won, like we're so
interested in just humangatherings.
What is it about a festivalthat's so fascinating to you?

SPEAKER_01 (20:55):
Oh, that's that's a great question.
Um, well, I mean, to start off,like I I I consider myself to be
a pretty good, a pretty bigextrovert.
And so I like social events tobegin with.
Um and when it comes togathering people, just the vibes
are is always great.
You know, it's it's especiallythe the stranger festivals, you

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know, um, where people canreally embrace a comfort knowing
that everyone around them is sayis having the same passion as
them.
You know, like uh it's it's socommon.
There's so many picklefestivals, yeah, because you
know, some people, there's abit, there's a it's kind of like
a black or white, right?

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Like people either love picklesor people absolutely hate
pickles.

SPEAKER_03 (21:44):
Where do you stand on the pickle controversy?

SPEAKER_01 (21:46):
Oh, I I love pickles, yeah.
I think they're great.
So that being said, you know,it's it's kind of weird to to go
around saying, Oh, I lovepickles, I love pickles.
Um, so to be to gather in a bigarea where you know everybody
there there loves pickles, it'sjust a very it's a very common
ground and the vibes are great.

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So I think that's just reallygreat about festivals.

SPEAKER_00 (22:09):
That is really true.
Um I mean, going back to thepickles, like if you went to
your place of work and you'relike, I love pickles, they'd be
like, that's cool.
But like the 37th time you tryto rope a coworker into a
conversation, like a deep, deeppickle discussion.
They're just gonna be like, Thiswhat is with this fucking weirdo

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talking about pickles?
All is it a sexual thing?
I feel uncomfortable aroundright.
I'm I can't go to the watercooler anymore because he just
talks about pickles.
This was me and zombies at work.
Yeah.
And you know, like I'm like wewe noticed that that exact thing
uh when we went to Living Deadweekend where it's just like you
look around and you're like,wait a second, all of these

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people will talk endlessly withus about zombies.

SPEAKER_02 (22:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
To the same extent that we would rope strangers in
to talk about zombies, theywould be willing to to do that
without feeling uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
See, there you go.
Yeah.
So you you know, like, and somepeople that are kind of um I
really don't want to sayantisocial, but they're kind of
intimidated by just intimidatedto start a new conversation.
There's it's like, well, we'reat a pickle festival or we're at
a zombie festival.
There for sure is one topic wecould talk about, right?

SPEAKER_00 (23:25):
Yeah.
We're gonna see eye to eye on atleast one thing.

SPEAKER_01 (23:28):
Yeah.
Oh, can I can I tell you guys aquick story though?
Like please, because it's it'sso funny that we're talking
about zombies and pickles at thesame time, it's just relevant.
So this the story has to do withboth those things.
But um, do you remember whenLay's potato chips had like a
competition where you had tocreate your own flavor?

SPEAKER_02 (23:48):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:49):
So I I remember like Eureka, I had the best idea at
the time.
It must have been about, let'ssee, September.
I think it was either August orSeptember.
And I I was on the website and Icreated zombie flavored chips.
And you know, you you pick yourflavor, right?
And I put pickles and I puthabaneros, and I think that was

(24:13):
it.
I think it was just those two.

SPEAKER_03 (24:14):
And that's a zombie flavor.

SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
And it gives you, it gives you like a little
paragraph like to explain yourflavor.
And I put, look, October'scoming up, Halloween's coming
up, the Walking Dead is huge,because it was at the time.
And I said, This will be a greatidea.
And and then I put submit,right?
And I was already thinking,like, okay, what kind of
Lamborghini do I want?
Like I was I was so confident.

(24:38):
I was like, this is a winner.
Like, I won.
I won.

SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
Like, how big do you want your in-ground pool to be
in?
Also go inside of your mansion.
It's shaped like a zombie kebleor something.
It's got a garage.

SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
But uh I didn't, of course, I didn't win.
I think like garlic bread won orsomething like that.
But how boring is but there is azombie flavor chip out there,
like and it it's after Isubmitted that idea.
So interesting.
I'm con I'm convinced they likedmy idea, didn't think I don't
know, that something, and thenthey they they created it on the

(25:13):
side.
So yeah.
Oh, the talkies.
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure Icreated that flavor, but they
didn't pay me for it.

SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
I think they did because theirs is habanero and
cucumber.
That is too close.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (25:26):
I mean a pickling is a cucumber, right?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:29):
Oh my god, it is.

SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
You're right.

SPEAKER_00 (25:32):
You should say I checked Google and it checks out
that cucumbers are pickles.

SPEAKER_03 (25:39):
Yeah, so I forgot for a minute.
I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (25:43):
I'm I'm they owe me one Lamborghini.

SPEAKER_03 (25:46):
At least one.
And a pickle-shaped pool.
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
That's a quick story, just because we were on
the topic of pickles andzombies.

SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
Jacob, you need to sue.

SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:58):
It's America.
That's your right.

SPEAKER_00 (26:00):
We will be character witnesses.

SPEAKER_03 (26:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:04):
Right.
And uh and when they ask whatmakes us qualified for being
character witnesses, we'll saythat we put you through the
ringer and ask you very personalquestions.

SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 (26:13):
And now we are soul bonded.

SPEAKER_01 (26:15):
And now now you owe them Lamborghinis too, as well.

SPEAKER_00 (26:19):
Perfect.

SPEAKER_03 (26:19):
Yes, we're gonna ride your coattails.

SPEAKER_01 (26:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (26:21):
Everybody gets Lamborghinis.

SPEAKER_03 (26:24):
Do you miss podcasting?

SPEAKER_01 (26:26):
Oh, yeah, I do.
Especially like I think I we Ihad talked about how to pass the
time at work, I listen topodcasts, and I truly think,
like, man, if I had just uh if Ihad a co-host or like an editor
or something, you know, I Ialways think um I would I'd like
to podcast again just becausethere's so much of festivals and

(26:48):
there's so many out there thatyou know really deserve um a
highlight, you know, like justthe other day, someone and
people like my friends know Ilove festivals, and this so
whenever they find weirdfestivals, they'll send them to
me.
And someone sent me the IowaState Fair, I think, where they
have the husband callingcompetition.

(27:10):
Yeah.
Yeah, the husband holleringcompetition or something like
that, where these these womenthey like pretend to holler for
their husband, like, Dale, youget back in this house, your
data's getting cold.
And they they like select awinner.
And I'm just like, that I thatdeserves uh an investigation.
Like, I need to learn more aboutthat.

SPEAKER_03 (27:30):
And also, like if this is you know a business, you
can write off that trip.
That's kind of brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 (27:36):
Yeah, that and so that oh man, and then I I would
really love to have been likesome kind of like Anthony
Bourdain character that liketravels for these festivals and
stuff like that.
Yeah.
But I there's I'm really notjoking.
You could really find uhfestivals for just about
anything.
I found a festival aboutpallets, like the wooden
pallets.

SPEAKER_03 (27:56):
I can see that big palette front.

SPEAKER_01 (27:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (27:59):
We've got a bunch in our backyard waiting to become
projects, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (28:02):
Exactly.
And and you'll never believethis.
There's also a podcast aboutpallets, too.
So the palette cast?
Wait.

SPEAKER_03 (28:09):
Yeah, we need to have a hammock festival.
Because that's our podcast idea,Jacob.
Is I want a podcast abouthammocks where we're in a
hammock.

SPEAKER_01 (28:17):
Hammock cast.

SPEAKER_03 (28:18):
Yeah, and we review hammocks.

SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
Sure.
There you go.
Oh, reviewing hammocks, that'dbe awesome.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:26):
I mean, it was it was really more of like a uh a
scheme that we came up with toget free hammocks.
Like, we wanted like to havelike a hundred hammocks.

SPEAKER_03 (28:35):
Jacob, you've changed my life.
Hang con, the largest hammockhang event worldwide.

unknown (28:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (28:42):
I'm serious, man.
You could really put any word infront of festival and like you
will find a group of peoplecelebrating it.
Like, I mean, unicorns.
Uh there's a Santa Claus.
I I mean, I can go on and on,but yeah, this whenever I find
things like that, I'm just like,oh, I really want to like talk
to people about this.
And and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (29:02):
Yeah, there's also so many like weird festivals too
that like you wouldn't knowabout unless you were in that
very specific sub-genre ofspecial interest.

SPEAKER_01 (29:13):
Right.
Yeah.
There's I think like RedSkelton, who I don't even know
who that I think that's like aan actor or some kind of
entertainer.
There's like a Red Skeltonfestival, and you know, like
people celebrate.
I mean, earlier when youmentioned the James Dean
Festival, that one is celebratedbecause it's celebrated in
Fairmount, Indiana, which iswhere he was raised.

(29:34):
And so it's it's not even reallyabout a passion, it's more about
a pride of knowing that JamesDean was raised there, and so
they they celebrate him, youknow.

SPEAKER_03 (29:44):
So yeah I mean, you've got a winning ticket like
that, you should.

SPEAKER_01 (29:47):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (29:48):
Like when I lived in Augusta, Georgia, it was all
about James Brown because he wasborn in Augusta.
Everywhere.
Yeah.
Although there I don't believethere was a James Brown festival
in Augusta.
Missed opportunity.
I should go back down there andbe like, y'all.

SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
You're missing out on something big.
And then they're like, yeah,people thought about that, but
also uh we decided not tobecause of racism.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (30:10):
And the and these festivals, man, they they really
put the area on the net on themap, you know, like they're huge
economic boosts, yeah, for thesecities.

SPEAKER_03 (30:19):
Yeah, like we would never have gone to Monroeville,
Pennsylvania, if not for theMonroeville Mall from Dawn on
the Dead ever.

SPEAKER_02 (30:26):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:27):
Let's talk more about zombies.
Gonna bring us back to ourfavorite.
Speaking of special interests,uh we have a variety of more
questions for you that arespecifically marine biology
focused and zombie related inpreparation for our main
discussion, which is Aquarium ofthe Dead, the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (30:43):
Um, these are serious scientific questions for
you.
If zombies walked into theocean, like in the movies, how
long would it take before theygot picked clean by fish?

SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
This is a really great question.
I really had to use um someimaginations to make this a
scenario because when you saywalked into the ocean, that's um
that there's a lot of factors tothat.
Because are we talking the shlike from a sandy shore, a
pebble shore, walked off a cliffinto the ocean, you know?

(31:16):
I love the collid idea.
Yeah, so and I I do too.
Fell off a barge.
Yeah, a barge, you know.
So I went with the shore idea,and I I kind of said that this
zombie or zombies, they maybethey were starving and they
heard like a dolphin, like, youknow, like do their little cry,
and they're like, Oh my gosh,there's uh a person over there.

(31:37):
I'm gonna go eat them.
So they they start going intothe ocean, and I like to imagine
like a riptide kind of just tookthem out because there's so much
wave action on the shores thatnot a lot of um prey would, or
not a lot of predators, would gothere for the for that to eat
something.
So um the riptide takes themout, probably about a hundred

(31:58):
yards.
And I'm gonna say that thesezombies, they like sink, you
know, they're not gonna float,they're gonna sink.
Now, there is where they'regonna get absolutely demolished.
You have um detritivores, likeyour your crabs, your uh your um
some your snails and stuff likethat.

(32:18):
Just and detritivores arecreatures that eat like dead
material.

SPEAKER_03 (32:22):
Oh, they're gonna be excited about zombies at the
bottom of the ocean.

SPEAKER_01 (32:26):
Yeah, so exactly.
They they wouldn't really thiszombie wouldn't really be torn
apart by like uh by sharks oranything like that, or like sea
lions, just because like I mean,sharks don't even like the taste
of living humans, so I don'tthink they're gonna like the
taste of like a dead human.
So um, so I really don't thinkthey're gonna get like massacred

(32:46):
by a giant predator in one biggulp, but for sure they're gonna
get picked apart pretty quicklyby detritivores.
And I I had to talk to my otherbiology friends because this is
this is a really great question.

SPEAKER_02 (32:58):
I love that you consulted.

SPEAKER_01 (33:00):
Yeah, because I was like, and they asked us you
never they asked the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
They're like, well, it depends on what beach they're
like we're talking about fallingoff of a barge in a cliff.

SPEAKER_01 (33:12):
But I think we came to an understanding that about a
week tops would it all it wouldtake for it to be cleaned, like
just just devoured down to thebones.

SPEAKER_03 (33:21):
I don't know why this is giving me so much
dopamine that you can salt inyour marine biology for us.

SPEAKER_02 (33:26):
That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 (33:27):
You know, follow-up question Are they gonna be able
to get into the cranial cavity,or do we have a bleach-boned
zombie skeleton with nomobility, no eyes, no skin, no
muscles, but there's still abrain in there?

SPEAKER_01 (33:46):
Oh no, we're we're gonna get a bleach-boned body
down because I mean, once youget to the abyss, like deep down
there, where there's nopenetrating light, nothing, any
kind of nutrients is is isgetting devoured.
So once if as as long as thatzombie can move forward or like

(34:07):
to a deeper depth, it's gettingdevoured the whole way.
Like down to the bones.

SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
Yeah, like they're they're gonna get the calcium
out of the bones.

SPEAKER_01 (34:15):
Yeah.
Well, the calcium, the uh, sothere's already calcium
carbonate like in the ocean.
So um that's no, as long as theyI think the mollusks and stuff
that like utilize calcium,they're gonna get that from the
from the from the water already.
So it'll just be the bones, butthere will be no brain,
especially no brain.

(34:36):
That's probably the tasty bitfor me.

SPEAKER_03 (34:39):
Literally, my mouth is just a gape, being like, man,
this you really are a marinebiologist.
Damn, this is this is impressiveknowledge.
But also, I think it's ruinedevery single zombie movie I've
ever watched where they come outof the ocean.
I'm like, no, this Jacob saidthat they would be gone within a
week, and there's no way theywould have crossed the ocean and
then come back out again.

(34:59):
That's gonna be me watching theTV.

SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
And then, I mean, if if they're uh if their bones
don't get down to the very deepand they're kind of like at a at
a maybe about 20 foot deep area,their bones will actually be
substrate for like manydifferent things, like for um
for a sea anemone and for uhbarnacles and algae and all
sorts of stuff.
Even like jellyfish will kind ofuh live out their first stages

(35:25):
of their their lives as umlittle creatures that are
attached to a substrate, whichcould be the bones.

SPEAKER_00 (35:31):
So it's kind of a nice end.
It's almost kind of like acoral, almost like yeah.
It's I'm I'm imagining now likean army of of zombies get you
know drawn into the ocean, andit's just this bone graveyard,
and over you know decades anddecades, and maybe even hundreds
of years, fish are living inthese bones and they just build

(35:54):
up this bone coral.

SPEAKER_03 (35:56):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (35:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (35:57):
Sorry, I'm just imagining a whole alternate
version of 28 years later wherethe bone, what is it called?
The bone temple that'sunderwater and it's like a whole
fish sanctuary.

SPEAKER_01 (36:06):
Oh, wow.
Dang.

SPEAKER_03 (36:07):
That'd be kind of pretty.

SPEAKER_02 (36:08):
That'd be rad.

SPEAKER_03 (36:09):
Did you know, Jacob, that when you were getting your
marine biology degree, that oneday you'd be asked questions
about zombies in the ocean?

SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
I did not know, but I know that like understanding
the cycle of what goes into theocean, you know, that's that's a
big part of that helped meanswer this question.

SPEAKER_00 (36:31):
I I love that it's that you also consulted your
fellow colleagues on this veryserious question of zombies
walking into the ocean.

SPEAKER_03 (36:39):
Yeah.
Uh next question.
If you had to pick one marineanimal as your apocalypse
sidekick, who are you choosing?
I put some options here in thelist, but I'm gonna just let you
pick whatever you want.

SPEAKER_01 (36:50):
Yeah, uh marine animal as your apocalypse
sidekick.
I would probably know, I'dprobably say the dolphin, a
dolphin, but more specifically,a female bottlenose, not a male
bottlenose.
Um, the male bottlenose can be alittle aggressive, especially
since they know, yeah, they knowthe difference between a male

(37:12):
and a female human.
So yeah, I'd rather a femaledolphin bottlenose to be my my
uh my apocalypse partnerpsychic.

SPEAKER_03 (37:21):
Would you ride that like would you like ride it and
like take it around?

SPEAKER_01 (37:25):
Oh yeah.
It'd pretty I'd I'd feel badbecause it'd pretty much be like
my boat.
Like I would be water horse.
Yeah, basically of like onwardand yeah, take me across
whatever.

SPEAKER_03 (37:35):
So it's a great movie.
I want to see this movie.
This is already everything youshared is already better better
than the entirety of Aquarium ofthe Dead.
Spoiler before we even get tothat.
It's better.
Um, Dan, do you have do you havezombie apocalypse ocean
questions?

SPEAKER_00 (37:51):
I mean, we have more to ask.

SPEAKER_03 (37:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:54):
Um, and I can ask those.
That sounds good.
Uh which marine organism?
Marine organism is most likelyto survive the zombie apocalypse
unchanged.
Oh my goodness.
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
I I think there's a lot of creature or marine
organisms that would survive,really.
Um, but I think one of the thecoolest ones would probably be
just jellyfish, just becausethere's really no they're
they're not a complex creatureat all.
Like they they they yeah, theydon't have a brain.
They're the zombies of theocean.

(38:32):
Right, pretty much.
Like they they just kind ofmove, they're not active
hunters, they don't really theythey just live.
That's just what they do, theyjust exist and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 (38:42):
I love that.
I love that for them.

SPEAKER_03 (38:44):
Is it true that because of climate change it's
getting the ocean's gettingwarmer and there's like a
jellyfish population explosion?
I saw this somewhere once onlike a 30-second TikTok video.

SPEAKER_01 (38:54):
Uh I could imagine so.
Yeah, I could definitely imagineso.
I mean, with the when it comesto climate change and the ocean
temperatures rising, um, thatcould throw off the ecosystem
very very like a lot.
Yeah.
And um, you have these you havethese creatures called um
keystone organisms in anecosystem.

(39:17):
They're kind of like the I mean,they're exactly what it sounds
like, the keystone.
So if anything kind of affectstheir behaviors, like climate
change, like water temperatures,um, and that affects their
eating habits, well, that couldchange the food chain in
general.
And so that could definitelycause a an a jellyfish bloom.

SPEAKER_03 (39:37):
Are jellyfish keystones?

SPEAKER_01 (39:39):
No, but uh the the uh just the predators, like sea
turtles.
Sea turtles are our keystone umcreatures in certain ecosystems,
so and they they love they lovejellyfish.

SPEAKER_03 (39:51):
They don't get stung?

SPEAKER_01 (39:53):
Oh no, no, they uh I think they they prey on the uh
the bells more so, but I mean,and I'm sure it varies for every
you know, certain kinds ofjellyfish and certain kinds of
sea turtles, but for the mostpart, yeah, um jellyfish are
like the biggest uh prey for seaturtles, just because they're
easy pickings, too.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:12):
I know there's this thing called Google, but like I
could literally just ask youevery single ocean question I've
ever wondered, and I'm likeenjoy the soap.

SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
Uh it's it's so tough because like there's I
can't give you like one answerbecause there's always like so
many complex like creatures,like I said, it's some certain
jellyfish and some certain seaturtles.

SPEAKER_03 (40:32):
So I think that's like a a marker of somebody who
knows a lot about something isknowing that you can never say I
just said the word never, butyou can never say never and
always in any circumstance, youknow, something with humans.

SPEAKER_01 (40:45):
Right.
That's why I had to do someresearch on how many, how long
would it take for a zombie to uhget picked me in the ocean?

SPEAKER_03 (40:52):
Oh my gosh.
We might have to have you backto just like give you a bunch of
different scenarios and be like,all right, let's walk through
every single one of these in thedecomposition process.
Yeah.
Uh what inspired you to get intomarine biology in the first
place if it wasn't zombies inthe ocean?
Oh sh.

SPEAKER_01 (41:07):
Well, I I grew up in in Texas and more specifically
the Gulf Coast, and even morespecifically the RGV, which is
like the very, very bottom partof Texas.
And um I we would go to thebeach almost on a weekly basis
with my family, and from thereon out, I mean, oh, and then
that just having that likeexperience being at the beach

(41:29):
and and um exploring that kindof wildlife, but also like I
remember going to the publiclibrary, and every time we would
go, I would rent the same movie.
It was like I it was I don'tremember the name of it, but it
was Robin Williams, and he wasdoing a documentary on dolphins.
And it was like I loved RobinWilliams.

(41:51):
He was like my favorite actorwhenever uh like my favorite
movie was Flubber at the time asa child.
And I would watch Flubber, andthen I also loved dolphins, and
so like to see Robin Williamsinteracting with dolphins, it
was like my favorite movie.
Like I said, I would rent it allthe time, like when I would go
to the library.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (42:09):
I love that.
I had a similar thing, but itwas horses, and I did not become
a horse biologist.
I don't think that's actually athing.
Watching somebody studies horsesthat is also a biologist.
But um, how do you feel aboutwhat's happening to the oceans
today?
Um, because I know we had talkeda little bit in advance of this
around sort of zombies as ametaphor for Mother Earth's
revenge, and I'm wondering ifyou think the ocean is due for

(42:31):
some revenge.

SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
Oh, yeah.
I love that.
Yeah, that's such a greatquestion.
I also feel like such a liketraitor to the human race
sometimes because you're in goodcompany.
That's fine.
Because, like, for an example,um, like I mentioned, the RGV,
excuse me.
Um, the there's like a strip ofisland, the South Padre Island,
and um there's of course there'sa lot of resorts there, there's

(42:55):
a lot of hotels, there's a lotof like clubs and partying and
spring breaks and nightmare andX, Y, and Z.
And um, I remember seeing anarticle that like the waves are
they're tearing down the beach,and like there's that island is
getting eroded away in a way.
And I'm like, yes.
Like, take it all down, yes,return to the sea.

(43:18):
Exactly, yeah.
Um, so uh and also becauseduring my college education,
there was always that onechapter in every single marine
biology course where it talksabout human impact on the ocean,
and it was just like the mostdepressing chapter of the whole
of every course, you know.
And so that's that's what kindof inspired me to also kind of

(43:40):
investigate um, you know, moreinto the ocean and what, and
like I said, understanding thecycles that go about it.
So whenever I see uh, you know,a zombie movie, like or a movie
that, like I said, it's MotherNature taking its revenge, kind
of like the happening, you know,how it kind of quote unquote
zombified um these humans.

(44:01):
Um, that's I kind of yeah.
Um, or like in the The Last ofUs, where you see all these
giant structures, these giantskyscrapers, and they're just
overtaken by nature.
I'm like, yes.
I'm like, that's a good thing.
This is a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 (44:18):
You know, there was this this show, um, and I've
only seen a couple episodes ofit, and I kind of just want to
like binge it now.
It was I think it was calledlike after there were humans, I
think is what it was called.
And it would it would always itwas like a a documentary show
where they'd talk about likewhat would happen if all the
humans disappeared on one day.
Yeah, it sounds great.

SPEAKER_02 (44:39):
I remember that one.

SPEAKER_00 (44:39):
And it was always stories like, you know, this uh
this this yacht capsizes on abeach somewhere, and then birds
start shitting on it, and thenthey shit seeds all over the
boat, and then one day all thatbird shit turns into soil, and
the seeds grow, and there'strees, and then that boat just
keeps on getting bigger andbigger with all the the soil

(45:01):
from all the bird shit and allthe seeds, and then finally one
day it's this huge island, andI'm like, Yeah, that's what I
want to happen.

SPEAKER_01 (45:08):
Yeah.
That's way more beneficial tothe ocean than a yacht being out
there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (45:16):
A little bit.
I mean, I do think that a lot oflike you're totally right, and I
was grateful you brought it upthat a lot of zombie fiction is
uh a metaphor for Mother Earth'srevenge.
I really love Blood Quantum.
I don't know if you've watchedthat movie, but um, if you
haven't, I highly recommend itbecause there are zombie fish
and it's it's absolutely aboutMother Earth taking revenge, but
only on white people because thenative population is immune.

(45:40):
Um, oh there you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:42):
Yeah.
I I really thoroughly enjoyedthat movie.

SPEAKER_03 (45:45):
Yeah.
Uh what do you think it is aboutthe zombie apocalypse?
Like, is it is the appeal foryou, Jacob, about like the
possibility of a reset or justthe elimination of humanity?
What is it that you like aboutthe zombie apocalypse?

SPEAKER_01 (45:58):
That's a that's a great question.
I I do think um it I like theidea of the reset, you know.
Um the the idea of a of, orsorry, I'm sorry, not the idea
of a reset, the idea, or I mean,yeah, the reset, but not of of
myself, of of like MotherNature, you know.
I do think like it's a great,it's it's uh it's a a kind of

(46:22):
quote unquote like a violentway, you know, of course.
But also I do think that um kindof tying back to festivals is a
big thing about festivals iscommunity, right?
So a lot of great things thatyou see in some of these zombie
films or series is um a colony,you know, a community that they

(46:43):
work together, they start theirown chores.
Like in 28 days, uh 28 yearslater, there's the island,
right?
Where people they have theirjobs, they work together, they
even have their own parties,their rites of passages.
Um so I kind of like that whenit comes to the zombie um
apocalypse uh genre, is thatthere's these colonies that come

(47:05):
together, these communities thatcome together and they kind of
form um their social norms, orlike in The Last of Us, when
there was that the uh the colonythat came together and they they
all worked, they all understandtheir jobs.
So uh I like those parts.

SPEAKER_03 (47:21):
I love that you you tied in the festivals.
That was impressive.
But I think I think we'realigned there.
That is also what I love thezombie apocalypse.
And I sometimes get annoyed whenthere's shows Walking Dead,
where every time things aregoing okay for the community,
there always has to be like abig bad guy.

SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (47:37):
Like, no, I just want to watch them grow berries,
okay?
Like that's what I want towatch.
See them rebuild society.
Is there something that we couldlearn from the ocean or any like
particular ocean creatures abouthow to be better and like in
better community with each otheras people?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (47:56):
No, and this this I'm gonna give you a very kind
of like complex, uh, it's it'sit's a reach.
We'll we'll we'll see how itgoes.
So um, so blue whales, thegiant, the largest creature on
earth, right?
Um they eat they they have tothey have to eat krill, right?
These little tiny littlecreatures that are in the ocean.

(48:17):
Love krill.
Right.
Yeah.
So they eat so much, they eat somany krill that the amount of
energy that they get from thatkrill would in order for them to
get that much energy, they wouldhave to eat two orcas a day.

SPEAKER_03 (48:33):
Dang.

SPEAKER_01 (48:34):
So that's a lot of orcas.
That's a lot of orcas, right?
And very not sustainable.
Imagine every blue whale eatingtwo orcas a day.

SPEAKER_03 (48:43):
Who would who would sink the yachts?

SPEAKER_01 (48:46):
Yeah, exactly.
So in order so because that'snot a very sustainable thing,
and I'm not sure the blue whaledon't consciously donate this,
but they they are designed andthey've they've evolved to feast
on krill, a lot easier to toprey upon, and krill reproduce a
lot quicker and in greaternumbers, right?

(49:08):
So I think see what you can takefrom that.
So what that kind of says isthat theoretically we should be
eating further down the foodchain.
So um, like instead of eating acow, what do cows eat?
They eat grass, right?
So I've heard that, yeah.

unknown (49:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (49:27):
So and to to grow grass that takes water.
Well, let's let's think of thisin terms of water.
So you need water to grow thegrass, but you also need water
to feed the cow, right?
But if you were to just eatgrass, and when I say grass, I
mean veggies, of course.
Yeah, you you don't need as muchwater, right?
You don't need water for thecow.
So that's an example of eatingdown the food chain.

(49:49):
Um, if you look into it, this iskind of an argument for eating
anchovies and sardines.
Um, they they populate a lotquicker, a lot faster, and they
contain a lot of um nutrientsthat don't get passed down to
you if you were to eat theirprey.

SPEAKER_03 (50:05):
So interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (50:07):
So that's something to think about.
And I always think about that,like the blue whales, like of
course they can't eat two orcasa day, so they eat krill.
So if if we were to eat the morepopulated uh resource that's
available to us, that's it couldbe more sustainable to us.

SPEAKER_00 (50:24):
So we should eat krill.

SPEAKER_01 (50:26):
Yeah.
I mean, keep going.
I mean, krill krill are shrimp,so like eating shrimp is
technically the I guess theequivalent.

unknown (50:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (50:42):
I really appreciate that.
I think it could be thatmetaphor could be extended to
other things, like just umliving life lower on the food
chain, like what's immediatelyaround you and available.
Uh and we have we live in aworld where it's an illusion
that there these things areavailable to us because they're
at Walmart, you can get them offAmazon.
But the resource intensity toget them is the equivalent of

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eating two orcas a day when youcould just be, you know, getting
your soap from your neighbor whomakes soap.

SPEAKER_00 (51:10):
And then eat the soap.

SPEAKER_03 (51:12):
Eat the soap.
Yes.
That's this is all makingcomplete sense.

SPEAKER_00 (51:16):
Yeah, I a long time ago, way back when I was first
first uh becoming enamored withthe idea of like homesteading
and growing your own food andstuff.
I was, you know, I was like,well, how how much how much food
do I have to feed these animals?
You know, like how much does ittake?
Um, and I I found this verysimplified diagram that kind of

(51:38):
gave you an idea of what yourexpenditures are going to be if
you're raising certain types ofanimals.
Um and which would be like thethe most food per grain
investment.
Everything was just like it wasjust like this is how much grain
it takes.
Um so like the best grain tofood uh ratio was a fish because

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they don't have to battlegravity.
So it's like one pound of grainequals one pound of flesh.
One pound of fish.
Really?
I didn't know that.
Oh a chicken.

SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Oh, sorry.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, no, I'm I'm totally I'mI'm enamored right now because
that's yeah, that's called theFCR, the feed conversion ratio.
And that's something I'velearned about.
And yeah, that's that's great.
Yeah, you could care toelaborate, please.

SPEAKER_00 (52:26):
Uh it and it and it keeps on going from there.
So uh like a chicken, a chickenum is small, it doesn't weigh
that much, so it doesn't have toburn that much energy to stay
standing, but it still has tofight gravity, unlike the fish.
So you've got two pounds ofgrain to one pound of chicken.

SPEAKER_03 (52:44):
So what's the feed conversion ratio for a zombie?

SPEAKER_00 (52:47):
I don't know yet.
But let's let's work our way upthe line because I have a point.

unknown (52:51):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (52:52):
Uh uh pigs were somewhere in the range of uh
three to four pounds of grainper one pound of pig, and cows
were eight pounds of grain toone pound of beef.
And when I was looking at that,I'm just like, well, how many
pounds of grain do I need?

(53:14):
Because it seems like this isnot a very good return on
investment if I gotta buy allthis fucking grain.
It's not the the math isn'tmathing on this on this cow over
here.
And uh and my realization wasthat like uh it makes sense if

(53:36):
you don't have to pay for thegrain.
So like if you are out in theprairies and you can you can let
your animals harvest on publiclands that you don't necessarily
have to buy or maintain, theyjust go and do it.

SPEAKER_03 (53:53):
And then you uh can murder the wolves.

SPEAKER_00 (53:55):
You gotta murder the wolves.
It takes away from the uhantelopes or whatever's out in
the plains, I don't know.
Um buffaloes.
And uh and yeah, when I camedown to it, I'm like, well, if I
gotta grow the grain, becauseI'm like, what if I grow the
grain?
Does that make it moreaffordable?
And I'm like, but if I just growthe grain, maybe I just eat the
grain.

SPEAKER_01 (54:15):
You're right, exactly.
There's your eating down the theline, eating down the food
chain.

SPEAKER_03 (54:21):
I need a uh bracelet that says what would blue whales
do.

SPEAKER_00 (54:26):
You know, that brings us to the thing that we
uh that we came here to talkabout.
Um you know, I'm glad that we'vespent an hour and five minutes
leading into this topic so thatwe can blaze through it real
quick.
Aquarium of the Undead.
It's the reason that we're here.
We watched it.
It's a movie.

SPEAKER_03 (54:44):
It's Aquarium of the Dead.
This is this is me making amistake in our notes.
There you go, I think.

SPEAKER_00 (54:49):
Okay, Aquarium of the Dead.
Leah fixed it.
Um Aquarium of the Dead is amovie where uh it's made by the
same people who made um the Zoommovies.
Zoomies one and two and two.
This is like Zoombies three,basically.
It's I guess this is supposed tobe like the prequel, actually.
But Zoombies 2 is a prequel toZoombies 1.
I don't know.

(55:09):
It's just a prequel to Zombies2.

SPEAKER_03 (55:12):
It also references Zombies 1.
Zoombies 1 is happening at mostthe same time as Aquarium of the
Dead.

SPEAKER_00 (55:17):
You know, they okay, so um it's an aquarium.
Uh they got lots of fish uh inmarine life there.
As one does.
And uh and you know what?
It does take place during onebecause um the doctor from
Zombies One comes in to tellhim, hey, you know that
mysterious green shit that uhyou have for some reason?

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Um don't inject any animals withit because it's bad.
And they're like, we'll do,we'll destroy it, and they
didn't.
That's that's the premise of theof of the movie.
And uh just like Zombies 1 andZombies 2, the animals become
infected.

SPEAKER_03 (55:57):
The fish.

SPEAKER_00 (55:58):
They are animals.

SPEAKER_03 (56:00):
Uh yeah.
Jacob, did you like this movie?

SPEAKER_01 (56:04):
It was it was disturbingly good.
Uh it was a fun ride for sure.
There were some like some holesthat I I don't know if I blinked
and missed it or something, butour there there were two
characters, the uh the leadAquarist and the birthday boy,
which birthday man.
I don't want to think it's ait's a boy, it's a man.

(56:26):
Um it's his birthday, so he is aman now.

SPEAKER_03 (56:30):
He might be emotionally more like a child.

unknown (56:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:33):
There there was a scene where they were like
running away and they said, Ohmy gosh, the otters.
That is that did I imagine that,or did that actually happen?
They were yeah, they weretalking about otters.
But did we see otters?

SPEAKER_00 (56:44):
We didn't see any otters.

SPEAKER_01 (56:45):
Oh, okay, good.
I thought I like missed that.
I was like, when did ottersattack them?

SPEAKER_00 (56:50):
Like yeah, there was they they saw them through the
fence, I think.
Um, but they never showed uswhat those otters looked like
because that's expensive.

SPEAKER_02 (56:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:58):
Um what what I found interesting is the uh the the
marine biologist who's takingthis VIP on their birthday
batch, um you know, after theafter they're like uh why do we
want to go in there uh with withotters and other things?

(57:19):
And and the guy's like, well,otters are mammals.
Oh, he's like, I don't want togo in there with otters and
fish.
And and then he's like, well,otters are actually mammals.
And uh he's like, well, well, Idon't want to go in there with
mammals.
And they're and he said, uh,they're the only mammals.
Later, there's more mammals.
Yeah, right.
So what's going on there?

SPEAKER_03 (57:40):
He was probably just trying to make them feel better.
Also, they weren't the onlymammals because they were all
mammals.
I feel like that's an importantthing to do.

SPEAKER_00 (57:48):
Some of them were fish, Leah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:50):
Yeah, but the humans are mammals.

SPEAKER_00 (57:51):
Okay, the humans are okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:53):
I feel like we never include ourselves on the list of
mammals, and I'm like, hello.

SPEAKER_00 (57:57):
You're right, we're mammals.
Um that's that's the thingthough, Leah.
The otters, mammals, humans,mammals.
Fair to say that there's moremammals in there.
However, just like Zombies 1 andZoombies 2, the fucking aquarium
is devoid of people visiting theaquarium.
It's just the people who workthere, which there was a

(58:18):
surprising number of.
Um, and this this birthday manon his VIP tour, he was the only
one who wanted to work with.
I love that part.
I it is it is actually the thingthat I love thinking about when
I think about all these Zoombiesmovies.

(58:40):
It's like there's always a pointwhere they have to explain why
there's nobody at the park.
And it's always like, this is anew park, or we're getting we're
we're setting up for somethingbig.
And in this one, they don'treally explain that, but they do
mention that all of their umaquarium stuff is out of date

(59:01):
and hasn't been updated in sixyears.
And I'm like, so you've beenover for at least six years
because the thing that's failingnow is hasn't been updated in
six years.
Is there anything that you lovedabout broken for six years?

SPEAKER_03 (59:17):
Did you is do we think that do we agree this is
like a Mother Earth revenge arcto be of this movie?

SPEAKER_01 (59:25):
Uh you know, I don't think there was enough uh damage
to the human race for it to beconsidered human nature.
Yeah, I would have loved to seemore people uh screaming in
terror.

SPEAKER_03 (59:37):
Yeah, there could have been so many more like with
the octopus friend, there couldhave been so many more
disgusting and horrifyingthings.
Like they could have had bodyparts ripped apart.

SPEAKER_02 (59:45):
Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:47):
We could have watched the beak like absolutely
decimate somebody.

SPEAKER_00 (59:50):
Yeah, yeah.
It did, it did, um there was uma scene where the octopus uh
terrifyingly um when it attacksrotated 20 degrees.
Um, defying gravity exposed itsbeak and clacked it and then
flew at somebody.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:07):
Right.
Or the the starfish that wasable to leap onto that lady's
face.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:13):
Well, it's a zombie, so like it's got some extra
juice, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:17):
Yeah, that's right.
It's got the the rage.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:20):
What do starfish actually eat?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:22):
Oh, I think they they just eat like uh algae and
whatever's on the surface there.
So are they vegetarian?
Like no, so they also eatoysters, but they I don't know
if you've ever heard of this,but they they shoot their well,
they don't say shoot, but theythey put their stomach outside
of their body into an oyster orany kind of bivalve, and then it

(01:00:43):
kind of like digest digests itin there in their own shell, and
then it kind of brings in bringsit in back into them, into their
body.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:52):
That is more horrifying than a zombie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:54):
Yeah, but I think I think the one in the movie, it
was just chomping down on thatthat that lady's abdomen.
Like I don't think it wasdigesting it from the inside
out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:04):
Yeah, well, you see, it was a zombie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:06):
Yeah, it was the chewing aspect, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:09):
I do love watching the random animals.
Um, I also like becomingzombies.
I enjoyed the shark scene quitea bit, just because like when
they're all the sharks are justlike laying on the ground.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:22):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:24):
And they're climbing over them.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:26):
I don't know like what they were doing there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:28):
Yeah, there was this whole thing about like them
being blind.
So like there was a there was analligator zombie that just kind
of like honestly, it looked likesomebody was holding a toy
alligator in front of thecamera, just like moving it, and
it was just like kind of justwalking along doing a whole lot
of nothing, yeah.
Unless somebody made a noise andthen it would chomp at them.

(01:01:50):
But I don't think it ever did.
I don't think it ever attackedanyone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:53):
No, it did fight that walrus though, right?
Or did it not?
It came face to face with thezombie walrus.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:00):
I thought they were buddies.
I totally I mean, I might nothave been totally paying
attention, which happens for mea lot.
These kinds of movies, the thingI like the best, if I'm gonna
put a love it, is watching itwith other people.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:13):
Um that's the most fun part.
And also uh doing our previewepisode, or not pre- we I made
like uh what was it called backin the day where you had it was
like cartoons before a movietalking about?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:26):
Yeah, uh I don't know what you call them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:29):
I don't know.
Was this a thing for you in yourchildhood where you go to a
movie, Jacob, and they'd likeshow like Bugs Bunny or
something first, or is this justmy super rural upbringing?
Are you 75 years old?
We went to these tiny littletheaters and they'd be like,
here's this Bugs Bunny littleshort.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:44):
Anyway.
I mean, you're not just talkingabout like a like a trailer, no?
Like you're talking aboutsomething else.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:50):
It'd be like a little mini cartoon story that
they would play before themovie.
This must be like a Beaverton,Ontario tiny town situation.
Yes, I grew up in a place nearcalled Beaverton.
Um make of that what you will.
But uh I will.
Um, I did play for you all, andyou were there at that point.

(01:03:11):
The the uh oceans facts forbabies.
Yeah.
And you you let me know a verytechnical term for one of the
fish.
That was also one of my favoriteones, uh, or favorite moments.
Not from this movie, but fromwhen we watched it.
Do you remember what the fishwas called?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:26):
The orangish, oranges, fishticus or something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:29):
Fish to fish to kiss, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:32):
The species of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:35):
Because they just were teaching these babies
orange fish, and I'm like,that's not even the writer.
I know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:40):
So one of your favorite parts of this movie was
before the movie and the babycartoon that we watched before
the movie.
Correct.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:49):
What did we hate about it?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:51):
Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:52):
What did I hate about it?
Oh, okay.
I gotta my gripe was that youknow, our Marian Biologist was
like, oh, those are makos, youdon't want to mess with those.
And they showed black tipsharks, so I'm a little offended
by that.
Those are the wrong sharks.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:09):
You know, you'd think that the uh visual effects
uh coordinator, when they weregoing to turbo squid to download
their 3D uh shark model, wouldhave typed in Mako Shark to get
the right model instead of justbeing like, whatever shark, just
any shark.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:29):
Well well, no, actually, like the they were
showing the real sharks there atthe aquarium, the uh the ones
in, I don't know, one of thetanks, and he was calling those
Makos, but those were actuallyblacktipped sharks.
And so I'm like, what?
But I will say, I think the CGIsharks that they that they had,
they I think those did look likeMakos, but yeah, they they they

(01:04:52):
uh I was surprised by that.
They had like the big ol' eyesand the longer snout, but the uh
the actual sharks that werethere, he was calling those
Makos when they were actuallyblacked.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:02):
Maybe they changed the dialogue because all they
could get from on the budget wasthe Mako 3D model, yeah.
But they didn't have any at theAquarius.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:12):
Yeah, no, they don't do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:14):
They were like, guys, we're not paying$65 for
the right shark when we can geta Mako shark for$20.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:24):
They didn't know Jacob Kehass would be watching.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:26):
Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:29):
Uh you know, and like a lot of these movies tend
to have like this this sort oflike um obsessive detail to the
animals, as if like the personwho wrote it is like, I'm so
into animals.
But then when they actually goto make the movie, they're just
like just whatever.

(01:05:50):
We don't care about facts.
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:54):
I asked you right at the beginning, do octopus I call
them octopuses.
It's it's affectionate, so I'mjust gonna say it.
Do octopuses make sounds?
And you were like, no.
And that octopus was roaring,just like the giraffes on
Zoomies one.
It's like this is that's whatruins it for me.
It's gotta be accurate animalsounds, like when horses whinny
every time they're in a scene.

(01:06:15):
When you rev them.
It really infuriates me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:19):
When you rev them, oh my god.
That's hilarious.
I think we have to uh talk aboutthe racist, sexist, capitalist,
ableist thing of the livingdeck.
Because I think there was a bit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:33):
Well, uh like all Zoombies, uh part of the Zombies
franchise, if I dare call itthat, they had female leads.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:41):
It's true.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:41):
There was strong female leads, yeah, not overly
sexualized.
Yeah.
That was a win.
However, I'm pretty sure everyperson who died was a black
person.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:51):
It yeah.
At least until they ran out ofblack people.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:55):
Um there was a like I'm I'm looking at it and I'm
like, there's actually somepretty good representation
there.
And then a walrus chomps down onthe VIP birthday man.
Right.
And then uh, and then um VivicaFox.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:14):
Who was she she was like the like the the top one,
right?
Like this, like the the manager,like top manager.
She had a very high position,right?
But then she falls into the intothe into the water with the
octopus, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:29):
Because of her high position, she fell.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:32):
Um, I I think Ollie was the one that pointed out I
wasn't paying attention, but uhVivica Fox uh grabs the axe and
jumps towards the octopus tosacrifice herself and try to
kill the octopus, but then inthe next scene was falling
backwards down into the water.

(01:07:55):
Yeah, so uh let let us know.
Let us know, director of thatmovie.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:01):
I don't think we ever want to talk to them.
We've established okay.
This is a real existentialquestion I have.
When you make a bad movie, doyou know it's bad?
Like when you make thisfranchise, do you just lean in
and say, I am making the worstzombie movie I can think of?

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:17):
Maybe it's kind of like like a Sharknado loyalist,
you know.
They're like, well, I alreadywatched the second one, let's
just watch the third one.
Like maybe they're banking onthat.
You know, they're like, look, wealready did Zombies one, Zubies
2.
Like, let's just, I don't know,let's just throw an aquarium in.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:34):
Are you a Sharknado loyalist?

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:36):
I I have not seen any of the Sharknadoes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:39):
They didn't make you study that in in school.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:44):
I did want to, I did want to do that for Halloween
one year, is dress up as aSharknado, but I have yet maybe
I'll do that this year.
The whole tornado.

unknown (01:08:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:54):
Uh they they did make a Sharknado reference.
Uh they did.
That's right.
Yeah, because they were theywere looking at the sharks and
they're like, I hope a tornadodoesn't come through.
And the person's like, what thatsounds stupid.
What's it's gonna what's itgonna do?
Just suck up the sharks.
Which I appreciate.
I thought that was actuallypretty funny.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:12):
They do make references, like they made
references to Jurassic Park andZombies too.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:16):
It's true as well.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:18):
So I think they know that they're bad.
That's I I think the directorwould know, and that's okay with
it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:23):
I mean, uh, I I haven't done like a huge deep
dive on these movies, but I'mpretty sure that like these are
um produced by sci-fi, the thethe channel, the TV channel for
terrible, terrible, terriblesci-fi movies.
Um and like the ideas are likewe don't want to put a lot of
money into this, but we want wewant that like viral hit of

(01:09:46):
Sharknado.
Make something ridiculous.
That's our business model.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:53):
Could a single fish break an aquarium tank?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:56):
Absolutely not.
Yeah, I think we all we all havethat gripe on it.
I mean, yeah, no, that would nothappen.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:02):
But it was a piranha.
One and everybody knows thatpiranha have unbreakable teeth.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:09):
Oh, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:10):
And an aquarium glass is an unmovable object.
And this is what happens when anunstoppable force meets an
unbreakable object.
Is the unbreakable object breaksand then zombie piranhas come
out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:24):
What if someone listens to this and actually
thinks you're telling the truth?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:29):
I am telling the truth.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:31):
I will say briefly, I do think there was a good
critique of um capitalism thereand just like prioritization of
money.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:40):
Disinvesting in the aquarium.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:42):
Yeah.
I forgot that there was thiswhole like subplot of the
politician who was like who wasalso like the owner somehow?
There's some It was confusing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:54):
It's like on the ch the chair of the board or
something like that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:57):
And they cast a guy who actually did look like he
was a senator.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:00):
So yeah, that's what my wife and I were thinking.
When we're like, they picked agood that guy does look like a
political figure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:06):
Oh, is your wife watching too?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:08):
Yeah, she was next to me watching it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:10):
Uh does she have a favorite or most hated thing
that you remember her saying?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:14):
Oh, I I the crabs genuinely kind of grossed her
out.
She was, she did not like thecrabs.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:20):
When crabs attack somebody, um, do they stand on
top of them and box them likethey're doing a speed bag at a
gym?

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:30):
No, but that was so ridiculous.
No, they probably just you know,go for whatever's at the they go
for the ankles there.
So I thought that was kind offunny though.
They just instinctively lurchedfor your face, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:41):
Yeah, you gotta get the face meet.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:43):
That's what zombies do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:44):
Zombie rolls.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:47):
Um, Zeds.
We gotta give them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:51):
If you're gonna have to give them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:53):
I think Jacob has to do it first.
From a marine biology point ofview, how many Zeds out of a
scale of one to ten would yougive this movie?

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:02):
I'm gonna give this one.
You know, I was gonna rank alittle bit lower, but they did
give that little fun fact aboutthe blue ring octopus.
So I'm gonna give it an extraZed.
I'm gonna say a whopping fourZeds out of ten.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:18):
Wow.
Wow.
What was the blue ring octopusfact?
I've already forgotten it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:23):
That that they were one of the most venomous
creatures.
Yeah.
Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:27):
Is that what that goopy clear liquid was?

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:31):
No, I don't, I don't, I think they took a
liberty with that one.
I don't think octopi are very,or octopuses are very like
slimy, to be honest.
Like I don't think they theydrip a slime like that, no.
That was gross.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:43):
I thought it was octopuses.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:45):
Yeah, octopus.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:48):
Uh what would you give it, Danny?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:50):
Oh boy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:51):
I was gonna give it one, so I feel like your four is
very generous and kind.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:56):
So I'm I'm gonna do something a little different
here because I was kind ofimpressed.
And I'm always impressed when itcomes to these movies, because
you know, sometimes you watch amovie and it's poorly written.
Sometimes you watch a movie it'spoorly acted, sometimes you
watch a movie and it's poorlydirected, or the special effects
are terrible and there's uh nobudget and the cinematography is

(01:13:19):
terrible.
And this one really hit the markon all of those things.
I'm gonna oh man.
I mean, because of that, I'mgonna give it five stars because
I was just impressed how theycan manage to just thoroughly
what?
Where'd the Zeds go?

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:34):
Have you had too much monster to drink?

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:36):
Yes.
What do you mean where do theygo?
I just gave it five.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:39):
You said stars.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:40):
Stars.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Yes, I've had too many monster.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:44):
Um five out of ten.
Yeah, because I'm I I'm I'm soimpressed that they've committed
so wholly to uh just making surethat every step of the way you
know this is a bad movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:58):
Yeah, yeah.
I I do hope I do hope that theygave the aquarium some
publicity.
And so now people are like, ohyeah, I like I hope that the
aquarium, the actual aquarium,like promotes the uh the movie
and like, hey, check maybethat's doing sports.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:15):
They're like, come come to the aquarium lock-in.
We're gonna watch Aquarium ofthe Dead, right?
And it's on repeat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:23):
Because we're the only aquarium of a theater,
right?
So maybe they could play it.
That's right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:28):
Yeah, could they just do my friend the octopus
teacher or whatever that'scalled?
That's what I want to watch.
Not Aquarium of the Dead everagain, which is why we saved it
for last, because there were somany other more interesting
in-depth conversations we couldhave.
There's only so much to sayabout this movie.
Um, well, for those of you whodon't know, because you're not
here with us right now, it'sactually late because Jacob very

(01:14:49):
graciously agreed to do thisinterview after work.
So thank you, Jacob, for doingthat.
Um I really and truly could askyou every ocean question I've
ever had, and I have exercisedgreat restraint not doing that
in this conversation.
It's been so fun to get to knowyou.
Um, is there anything that youwant to promote?

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:09):
Ooh, good question.
Uh, I'll I'd like to give ashout out to my my marine
biologist friends that helped mewith that question, if that's
okay.
Of course.
Yeah, so I just want to saythank you to my friends Reagan,
Amy, Dawson, David, uh, Stuartfor helping me out answer that
question about the zombies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:30):
You had you had a serious committee.
You had a committee.
You put you formed a committeeto answer that question.
And that's sure, yeah.
That's impressive.
And I gotta give you um like thefive Zeds that I took away from
Aquarium of the Dead.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:48):
We could have a whole Aquarium of the Dead
committee as a follow-upepisode.
If you you heard it here first,if you have more questions, I'm
volunteering you, Jacob.
If you have more you have nochoice.
This is not a volunteerfunction.
If you have more zombie oceanquestions, let us know.
Maybe Jacob will want to answerthem.
We'll see.
Or any of his amazing marinebiology friends.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:09):
Yeah.
If you want to know about histime in the marine biology.
Hoorah.
Um thanks.
Thanks everybody for joining usuh for this long in-depth
discussion about Aquarium of theDead.
Um if uh you could you could youcould support us by leaving a

(01:16:33):
rating or a review.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:34):
Like Jacob did, a very nice one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:36):
Jacob did that.
And uh that's that's why that'syou know what now look where
Jacob is talking to us aboutAquarium of the Dead.
Uh you could also send us avoicemail up to three minutes at
614-699-0006.
You could tell us what you feltabout Aquarium of the Dead, or
how many Zeds you would havegiven it, and how wrong I am.

(01:16:59):
Let me know.
Uh, you could also sign up forour newsletter that I never send
out.
So you you'll know that you atleast won't be having your inbox
filled with spam from me.
Your spam folder, occasionally,but not your inbox.
That's that's the selling pointof our newsletter.
Um uh you could also follow uson Instagram at Zombiebook Club

(01:17:23):
Podcast or join the BrainMunchers Collective Discord,
where we watched this movie in awatch party.
Jacob and his wife and a fewother people too.
Yeah.
And we all bashed this movie theentire time.
And that was the best.
Maybe that's why they made themovie.

(01:17:44):
Yep.
It all makes sense now.
I give it two more Zeds.
All right.
All links are down there in thedescription.
Might sound crazy, but the endis not, baby.
Don't die.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:57):
Uh that was brilliant, gorgeous.
I love it.
Thank you so much.

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