In The Flesh with special guest OllieEatsBrains | Zombie Book Club Ep 123

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SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
Well of the zombie book club, the only book club
where the book is a TV show, andthe TV show is about living
inside of a suit made of flesh.
I think.
Citation needed.
I'm Dan, and when I'm not livinginside of my own flesh suit, I'm
writing a book about a zombieapocalypse, and I could say
more, but in light of the factthat I just deleted 24,011 words
this week, I feel like whateverI say might be misleading in the

(00:43):
future.
R.I.P.
24,000 words.
You will not be missed.

SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
I'm Ollie, and when I'm not smurfing in Smurfleton,
I'm smurfing over on SmurfingBill.

SPEAKER_04 (00:56):
And if that makes no sense, you need to read the
Smurple Perfs.
I'm Leah, and today we'resupposed to talk about the
Smurple Perfs.
It is actually the purpleSmurfs, but Ollie keeps changing
it in our show notes.
So Smurple Perfs, it is.
This is what we get for givingOllie access to our notes.
It's dangerous.
But instead, you know by now.

(01:16):
I but this is what makes it fun.
I uh was supposed to read that.
Both Dan are supposed to readthat, but I went into a 48-hour
binger and forgot to eat, sleep,or read.
What were you binging?
Mushrooms.
Cocaine?
Mushrooms.
But not consuming them.
Star heroin?
That sounds horrible.
No, just making mushrooms andmaking a really weird mushroom
crown that no one will ever buy.

(01:37):
But I like it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
I think it's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40):
Yeah.
Maybe maybe somebody who wantsto be an elf will buy it one
day.

SPEAKER_01 (01:43):
Yeah.
Um, today, we're this isn't acasual dead episode.
It's super casual, as you canalready tell.
We're so far off script.
Um, and we're talking with ouroriginal zombesti, the creator
of the zombesti, um, OliverGray, also known as Ollie Eats
Brains.
Um, and instead of SmurplePerfs, uh, we're talking about

(02:07):
the TV show in the flesh.
We're not talking about theSmurfs, we're talking about a TV
show.
We're just gonna have to have alot of purfs now.
Yeah, so it's a show.
It's a show about a guy trappedin a flesh suit, right?
So aren't we all?
Yeah, we are.
We release episodes everySunday.
So Subway?

(02:29):
Five dollar footlong.
Half of the joke was deleted.
I don't know what happened toit.
We had this whole thing.
Rest in peace,$5 Subwayfootlong.
Remember when footlongs costfive dollars at Subway?
Rest in peace.
That's what this podcast isabout now.
We talk about uh subwaysandwiches.

SPEAKER_04 (02:48):
Oh, you had a different word for subscribe you
wanted to use.

SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
Subscribity.
Is this kids?

SPEAKER_04 (02:53):
Uh six seven.

SPEAKER_00 (02:55):
This is why you know why it's six seven?

SPEAKER_04 (02:58):
Say that again.

SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
You know why it's six seven?

SPEAKER_04 (03:01):
Uh I was told and already forgot forgot.
42, which is the meaning oflife.
The answer.
Exactly.
But what's the question?

SPEAKER_00 (03:08):
The ultimate answer.
How many roads must a man walkdown?

SPEAKER_04 (03:12):
Yeah, I think that's it.
42.

SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (03:15):
Well then I should be God.
I've walked at least 42 roads.
It's but it's exact.
Oh.
You can't walk more than that.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (03:22):
Um unfortunately, when you were reading original
Zombesti, I had a coughing fituh because I was just gonna
shout, suck it, Lori.

SPEAKER_04 (03:31):
And why would you say suck it to our good
zombesti, Lori Calcatara?
Are you wanting to have asubmarine slam down?
Are you going to, I don't know,shave the hair off your head?

SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
I don't have a mustache to shave.
Okay.
I have nothing to lose.

SPEAKER_04 (03:47):
Are you are you officially challenging Lori
right now, Oliver?

SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (03:51):
Okay.

unknown (03:52):
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (03:53):
If you have no idea what we're talking about.
That is a terrifying thought.
Lori, we tremble before thee.
Uh, for those who are reallyconfused, this summer we had a
summer ween slam down whereBrandon Staraki of Avalon Comic
challenged Lori Calcatera forher zombie wean game show crown
that she won fair and square in2023, but Brandon lost.

(04:14):
You should listen to it.
It's episode And she took hismustache.
I don't know what episode it is.
Google it.

unknown (04:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (04:20):
Find it.
Spoiler alert.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
We just told you how it ended.

SPEAKER_04 (04:24):
So Ollie.

SPEAKER_00 (04:25):
So somewhere between episode one and a hundred, I
believe.

SPEAKER_04 (04:27):
Somewhere like that.
Yeah.
Oh, I know it's after a hundred,actually.
I know that for a fact.
Yeah.
So after a hundred.

SPEAKER_00 (04:33):
Somewhere between 100 and 200, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 (04:35):
Somewhere in there, yeah.
Um, life updates, Leah andOllie.
Uh we we have life updates.

SPEAKER_04 (04:44):
Well, mostly I think we need Oliver life updates
because this is our first timeusing our mouths to talk in
quite a while.

SPEAKER_03 (04:50):
It's true.

SPEAKER_04 (04:51):
Um, Oliver, the last the last time you were here was
January 5th, 2025 for our 2024recap.
Where have you been?

SPEAKER_00 (04:59):
Uh well, I think back then I was still in
California.
Uh, since then I've moved toMissouri.
I've gotten a new job, I'vepurchased a home, I've launched
a Kickstarter for a comic bookand uh adopted a child.
Wow.
That's a that's very busy.
No big deal, that last one.

SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
I can't help but notice that you left um
California.
But yeah, if I'm mistaken, uh ifI'm not mistaken, weren't there
fires in California?

SPEAKER_00 (05:30):
There were.

SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
Did you start those fires?

SPEAKER_00 (05:34):
There is a reason I left California, but uh I can't
get into details for legalpurposes.
Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 (05:41):
Do you enjoy fire, Oliver?

SPEAKER_00 (05:44):
Well, as it so happens, just last night we did
start our first fire in thebackyard.
Are all the trees okay?
The trees are uh mostly okay.
Yeah, except for the ones thatwere in the fire.

SPEAKER_01 (05:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
Which is how it goes with fire.
Um so although we did notice uhabout 15 minutes into the fire
that the tree that there is atree with a branch that's like
just 15 feet above the fire, andthat made us a little worried,
but yeah, nothing nothing cameof it.

SPEAKER_04 (06:13):
I think that that limb is offering itself to be a
part of the fire.
You gotta cut it down.

SPEAKER_00 (06:17):
Yeah.
Um nice limb though.

SPEAKER_01 (06:19):
Nice limbs.
Looks creepy.
I got some updates.
You got some updates?
Yeah.
I'm finally unemployed.
Yeah, it's about time.
Um, I've uh worked really hardto get to where I'm at right
now.
Um, so I would like to thankeverybody for helping me become
unemployed.
Thank you.

(06:40):
Thanks, everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (06:41):
You're welcome.

SPEAKER_04 (06:42):
Oliver, you were irresponsible?

SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
Absolutely.
Yeah, I've made the call.

SPEAKER_04 (06:47):
Called Dan's boss and was like, look, I'm sick of
listening to this man complainabout working.

SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
Unemployed him.
That our schedules are so out ofbalance that we don't have time
for any any conversations orboard games.

SPEAKER_01 (07:01):
Yeah, that's why we that's why we haven't talked
since January.

SPEAKER_04 (07:03):
Well, we did talk briefly the summer.
Well, we talked uh we were doinga little bit of my very first
experience of RPG.
But then, Dan, you had to goback to work.

SPEAKER_01 (07:13):
Yeah, that was in April.

SPEAKER_04 (07:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
Yeah, we were playing some some dungeons and
and our dragons.
Um, I played a dungeon.
I played a dragon.
Leo is a dragon.

SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
I played an and.

SPEAKER_01 (07:28):
Um, so yeah, so now that I'm unemployed, I've gotten
back into the swing of writingreally slowly.
Um, you know, my my my wordcount is in the negatives, so
I'm doing great.

SPEAKER_00 (07:38):
Well, uh on the note of Dungeons Dragons, I'm
actually writing a new campaign,which is a a D prequel to Maze.
I didn't know it was a DDprequel.
Well, it's not really DD, it'sit's my own developed uh game
system, but it is a prequel tomaze, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (07:57):
I did not realize that.
That's really exciting.
What is Maze for those of us whomay have forgotten uh and or not
listened to episode 58, whichyou should go listen to,
everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (08:06):
Oh, it's it's a series of stories I wrote on my
website, Maze, uh monsters,aliens, zombies, etc.

SPEAKER_04 (08:14):
And the main character Claire is becomes a am
I allowed to reveal what theybecome?
Or should I keep my?

SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
I think we discussed it pretty thoroughly in the last
episode.

SPEAKER_04 (08:21):
You're right.
So they become a half zombie,half vampire, which is the
first.

SPEAKER_00 (08:25):
Yeah, so uh they they were a vampire hunter who
had an unfortunate encounterwith a vampire, and uh before
that could take effect, theyalso were infected with the
zombie virus, and so now theyare some weird hybrid.

SPEAKER_04 (08:43):
Also, there's aliens, hence the A in maze.
There are aliens, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (08:51):
Uh that part isn't quite as well flushed out as the
rest of it, but uh they they arein the story, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (08:58):
They are coming, yes.
There's more for them.
Yeah, I mean this is a prettyexciting thing because you've
you've decided to make it into acomic.

SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
Yeah, that was just some very random decision I made
uh just last week or the weekbefore.
I was literally uh at work justdriving around and and instead
of like so when I write, Iusually have like movies playing
in my head that I'm just tryingto relate into words instead.

SPEAKER_03 (09:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:25):
And then instead of a movie, I had graphic images
like a comic book.
And then I was like, wow, youknow, this actually works a lot
better, and um it's a lot easierfor me because now I can just
throw the idea out there andmake the artist worry about the
translation instead of having touh write it myself.

SPEAKER_04 (09:46):
Well, we did get a perk of your visualizations
because um when our dog died,you were very kind and said,
here's some top secret things tomake you feel better, which did
distract me temporarily and I'mappreciative of.
Um and what I remember from themis like a really giant foot.

SPEAKER_00 (10:02):
Oh, yeah, that was uh that was from my my uh
disgusting terrible scribblesthat I have sent to the artist.
And uh yeah, that's that's thescene um where they've got their
boot up trying to find extracash to pay the bartender.
That was an epic scene.
Yeah.
That's actually potentiallygoing to become a poster if if I

(10:26):
get around to it.

SPEAKER_04 (10:28):
That would be the dream is to have some original
uh feedy art.
It's feedy, right?

SPEAKER_00 (10:32):
Fidi or Fede, I don't know their name.
I think it's Fede.

SPEAKER_04 (10:38):
I think this is the moment where we should introduce
Fidi, the artist.

SPEAKER_00 (10:41):
Tell us about actually, no, it might be Fede,
because I'm pretty sure it'sshort short for Federico.

SPEAKER_04 (11:19):
Okay, well, Fede Feedy.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 (11:23):
Yeah, please come on the show and tell us what your
name actually is, because Oliverdoesn't know.

SPEAKER_00 (11:30):
Uh Fede is my artist friend.
They're from Argentina, and I'veknown them for a few years now,
and and uh I just threw someideas at them and said, Yes, I
can do this.

SPEAKER_04 (11:41):
Yeah, and they're incredible.
Like they've made little imagesof you as Ollie Eats Brains.
Your icon on Discord is iconic.
It's so freaking cute.
Like you're telling you I want asticker, please.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 (11:52):
Sure.
I will make it happen.

SPEAKER_04 (11:54):
Yeah, but it's like without seeing Fede's art style,
how would you describe it?
Because it's pretty unique.

SPEAKER_00 (11:59):
Um kind of scribbly.

SPEAKER_04 (12:02):
But not, okay, I just need to clarify people.

SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
Not like toddler scribbly.
Like no, it's not toddlerscribbly.
It's it's got like it's almostgot like a kind of I don't know,
unfinished quality to it that Ireally enjoy.
Um it's not like clean lines andperfect art like you'll see in a
lot of comic books.
It's um, I don't know, I'm awriter.
I don't know how to describethings.

SPEAKER_04 (12:25):
This is why you're paying Fede.
Don't ask me to use words toexplain things.

SPEAKER_01 (12:30):
What do you think I am?

SPEAKER_04 (12:31):
Some kind of I would say the scribbliness word
drawer?
Yeah, I mean, isn't that whatyou are both as writers?
I don't know.
But I would say it's kind of gotlike a uh the scribbliness gives
a sense of movement.
Also, all of Fede's charactersare um badass looking with
really great outfits that I wishI could pull off.
Like Claire's pants, I wantthem.

(12:52):
I don't know if Fede also sews,but I would like a custom
outfit.

SPEAKER_01 (12:58):
Can that be a a stretch goal?
Yeah.
That we get we get Claire'spants.
A cosplay of Claire.

SPEAKER_00 (13:06):
Sure.

SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Replacing the plant the pants.

SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
Fede might not not sew, but JC does.
They uh they are they do makecostumes for Renaissance fairs
and uh they've made weddinggowns in the past.
Wow, JC by the way, is myspouse.

SPEAKER_04 (13:22):
Yeah, we love JC.
Hi JC.

SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Hi, JC.

SPEAKER_04 (13:25):
JC, please make um uh a one-of-a-kind Claire
cosplay costume as a stretchgoal.

SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
And send it to Leah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:35):
Um so that Leah can wear it as unironic normal
clothes every day.
Basically.

SPEAKER_04 (13:41):
Although I don't think I'm nearly as cool as
Claire.
Although Claire, I think, is Ilove Claire because they are
awkward but also adorable anddangerous.

SPEAKER_00 (13:50):
Claire also thinks they're a lot cooler than they
actually are too.

SPEAKER_04 (13:54):
That is true.
So what's the Kickstarter for?

SPEAKER_00 (13:57):
It's mostly just the pay payday.
Um and get me a couple bucks inmy back pocket so I can take a
day or two off to uh totranslate all my stories into a
script for them so they canconvert it into artwork.
Because um as my my short videosays, my my doodles are
basically just scribbles andstick figures that look like

(14:20):
they've gotten to a fight withspaghetti.
Uh that's the extent of myartistic skill there,
unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
So I'm in a similar boat.

SPEAKER_00 (14:29):
So I need money to pay Faye, because Fede has a
life also and has to to taketime.
They're probably gonna take acouple days out of a month off,
nearly nearly a month, to uh tojust work on that straight
through.

SPEAKER_04 (14:43):
Wow.
And uh how close are you to yourgoal right now?

SPEAKER_00 (14:46):
Last I checked, we were just shy of 40%.

SPEAKER_04 (14:48):
Oh my gosh, that's close, people.

unknown (14:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:50):
Yeah, considering it's been, I think, just barely
a week.
I think it'll be a week onFriday or Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
Yeah, I I also love that um before you even
announced that that you had thisKickstarter, you were already
receiving uh pledges.

SPEAKER_00 (15:06):
Yeah, I didn't so I launched it, I think I don't
remember when exactly I launchedit, but I launched it.
And then the I was going to waituntil Sunday to have any sort of
announcements because not onlywere you guys putting the audio
clip in your podcast, um, I hadsomeone else who had reached out
from a comics Kickstarterpodcast who wanted to put that

(15:28):
audio clip in theirs too.
So that got out there too.
And so I was just gonna waituntil Sunday and then just run a
massive promo all over mysocials.
And before it like even gotthrough one day, it was already
30% like uh about 23% funded, Ithink it was.
Did that surprise you?
Because it doesn't surprise me.
It definitely surprised mebecause usually all when I need

(15:51):
things done, it's always likefriends and family that throw
money at me to to make me dostuff.
But this was just absolutecomplete strangers who just saw
the Kickstarter, thought itlooked interesting, and decided
to invest in it.
And yeah, that shocked me.

SPEAKER_04 (16:07):
That is I mean, that is really cool.
Did it put you at risk of comingback to life?
Did your heart beat?
Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
My my heart, my heart nearly fell out, honestly.
It just almost threw that up.
Yeah, I mean, but that's normal.

SPEAKER_04 (16:21):
I wouldn't worry about it.
Stay in a life for Ollie.
Ollie is a zombie, by the way.
Yeah, if you don't know that,again, go listen to episode 58.
I feel like we have to.
You'll know their origin story.
Uh, what is your deepest,darkest, most secret fantasy
that you're going to revealright now, right here, for what
you hope will happen with yourmaze comic series that people

(16:41):
should help you out with?

SPEAKER_00 (16:42):
Thank you for clarifying.
Um well, I would love to getover invested in this so that
not only can I release the PDFversion, but I can go straight
into a print version and getthat out.
I don't know the logistics ofgetting signed versions because

(17:02):
you know Fay Day is out in inArgentina, so I would have to go
to them and me and then go outto the recipients.
So I don't know how that wouldwork out.
So signed is off the table fornow.
But yeah, if I could get into aprint media right away, that
would be awesome.
I would love to do that.

SPEAKER_01 (17:21):
Yeah.
And I mean, maybe maybe signedjust isn't in in in the in the
works until like, you know, ununless you hit like a really big
goal where you can actually sendlike a pretty sizable package
all the way to Argentina andthen back.

SPEAKER_04 (17:39):
I have a much more super top secret fantasy for
this now, which is that we raiseenough money that not only can
you do all that, but you canalso take and record a trip to
Argentina.

SPEAKER_00 (17:49):
Yeah.
Oh, I was gonna say new stretchgoal.
Um, if we make enough, I'm goingto uh purchase beauty and have
them moved out here.
Purchase You're just gonna ownVisa.

SPEAKER_04 (18:01):
I'm not gonna oh Oliver.
Look, it's outside of the boxthinking.
I mean, we could probably findthem a spouse to help with the
90-day visa.
Oh, right.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (18:18):
The visa, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:20):
That's what I was going for, yes.
Um yeah.
I started thinking before I hadanything to say.
Or I started talking before Ihad any thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 (18:28):
Well, I have a thought, which is that you
should go back this Kickstarterlike now.
Um, we need it.
The people need it.
There's a reason why we have itas our mid-roll for every single
episode, which is that we needit, and so do you.
So go, go, go get it.
And then we can talk more aboutit once it's out, Ollie.

SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
Yeah.
This is also the first time thatwe've done um ad rolls for uh
things that weren't us.
Yeah.
We did one before, and that'sjust because uh our financial
situation got bad and we had tofigure out how to pay for the
podcast.
Yeah, thanks everybody, by theway, again.
Um, so this is kind of like afirst because this is just
something that we that we wantto support because it's Ollie,

(19:05):
and Ollie is great and a zombie.
Ollie is great.

SPEAKER_04 (19:08):
Yeah, this is our this will be our first
Kickstarter backing of a zombieabout a half zombie, half
vampire.
It is a first on Zombie BookClub podcast right now.

SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
Yeah.
Uh it's kind of interesting thata zombie is like, what if I was
also a vampire?

SPEAKER_00 (19:27):
That is all this the story is.
It's how I imagine my life andexistence would be if I were
also a vampire and also hadmagic.

SPEAKER_01 (19:38):
Um so yeah, it's I I think it's I think it's really
amazing.
I I hope that uh really amazingthings happen because I think
it's a great story, and um, andalso I just genuinely want to
see you succeed.

SPEAKER_00 (19:51):
I want to see me succeed too.
So we're on the same page.
Yeah, we're in agreement.

SPEAKER_04 (19:55):
Oliver's already successful.
How are we determining successnow?
Uh well, I'm talking about thisproject.
Okay, money.
Yeah.
I also want that for you,Oliver.
And me too.

SPEAKER_00 (20:06):
The American way?

SPEAKER_04 (20:07):
Yeah.
Money, money, money, money.

SPEAKER_01 (20:09):
You know, if we're just talking spreadsheets, yes.
Ollie is very successful inspreadsheets.

SPEAKER_00 (20:15):
Very rich in spreadsheets.

SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
Yes.
Um, for people who don't know,Ollie has created one of the the
most comprehensive spreadsheetsabout zombie books, movies, TV
shows, uh games.
Am I missing anything?
Podcasts.

SPEAKER_04 (20:31):
Podcasts.
Oliver, you need to go and geton the world's book of records
as most comprehensive list ofall zombie media.

SPEAKER_00 (20:39):
I would love to, but I will have to say that it is
losing its comprehension becauseI don't think I've actually
updated it in a few months.

SPEAKER_04 (20:46):
It's okay.
Just submit it as it is.
It's good.
It's got to be a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 (20:50):
I wanted to use it.
I I wanted to use it as a meansof getting into the zombie
research society, but I can'tseem to get a hold of anybody in
there.

SPEAKER_04 (20:58):
Yeah, I remember when we first heard of you,
you'd sent us a note and I waslike, Oh, you should work for
them.
And I was like, no.
Yeah.
I want to keep Ollie's unpaidlabor for ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
For ourselves.
And here we are.
So that those sons of bitches ofthe Zombie Research Society who
we should probably alsointerview.
Yeah, who are probably very nicepeople.
Don't get their deep claws intoOllie and tear them away from
us.
Like a zombie.
Like how a zombie would.

(21:29):
Yeah, all of the intestines onthe floor.

SPEAKER_00 (21:32):
All I really want from them is a membership card
anyway.

SPEAKER_04 (21:35):
That'd be cool.
Yeah.
Do you want a membership cardfrom us?
Sure.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (21:38):
Okay.
Well, I want a zombie book clubmembership card.

SPEAKER_04 (21:41):
It's exclusive.
You can't be members of anythingelse, though.

SPEAKER_01 (21:43):
I didn't know I didn't realize that this is all
we had to do for just permanentloyalty.
Um I think we should get into Inthe Flesh.
Yeah.
Tell me about this uh fleshsuit.

SPEAKER_00 (21:57):
Well, only well, back in the old days, there was
this show called Silence of theLambs, and that's where the idea
came from.

SPEAKER_04 (22:04):
Well, actually, that came from Ed Gean, even further
back.
The notorious seal.
The notorious serial killer whomade human suits, and also was
the origin of the movie Psycho.

SPEAKER_01 (22:17):
Yeah, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Yep.
And uh the Halloween movies.

SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
So it's further back.
That was the new show Monster isabout.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well that that's what we'rereferencing.
I think we watched thatrecently.

SPEAKER_04 (22:33):
I actually kind of regret watching it because uh
I'll never unsee those things.
And also I had really weirdthoughts after.
Like maybe I should keep mydeceased dog's ears because they
were soft.
And like these are thoughts thatI feel like wouldn't have
crossed my mind if I hadn'twatched hours of somebody
dismembering people.

SPEAKER_01 (22:51):
Yeah.
I think Ed Gean was like reallyahead of his time.
A visionary.

SPEAKER_04 (22:55):
A visionary.
Completely different from In theFlesh, the show.

SPEAKER_01 (22:59):
Which Oh, it's different.

SPEAKER_04 (23:01):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
Which we really what's the difference between
him and Frankenstein, right?

SPEAKER_01 (23:05):
Right.
Except like Frankenstein is madeof different parts of people,
and Ed Gean just collecteddifferent parts.
Well, Frankenstein is the makerof the person.
Oh my god, I did the thing.
You did the thing.
I did the thing where I'm Icalled Frankenstein's monster
Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_00 (23:20):
It's really the edited version of the book where
at the very end, uhFrankenstein's monster is
leaving, and he says, Oh, youcan call me Frankenstein, by the
way.
It's okay.

SPEAKER_04 (23:30):
I did.
I think I saw it on yourInstagram, actually.
Oliver, what's in the flesh?
You're the one who told us aboutit.

SPEAKER_00 (23:38):
Uh in the flesh is a show from BBC that follows uh
the returned dead after a curehas been found and they uh
regain consciousness and nowhave to try to re-acclimate to
society.
Uh, with I might be mixing thisup with the cure, where they
they because they've got all thememories from everything they've

(23:59):
done in the past.
And so they're trying to dealwith the memories while also
trying to deal with the peoplewho suffered from being attacked
by zombies.
I feel I started off strong andI lost it.

SPEAKER_04 (24:10):
I was actually really impressed with this off
the cuff.

SPEAKER_01 (24:13):
Yeah.
I answered I'm I'm for I thinkyou hit most of the the major
points.
Um, it's about former zombies umyou know rehabilitating into
life uh in normal life post postthe apocalypse.
Not post-apocalypse, but it'slike after the apocalypse.

SPEAKER_04 (24:32):
Yeah, like things have returned to normal.
Kids are going to school.

SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Yeah, like got better.
Yeah.
Did it get better?
Um and they uh the the people,the the zombies, they're still
dead, um, but they have to takemedication that they get through
their spinal cord every singleday.

SPEAKER_04 (24:49):
Looks really uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 (24:50):
Make sure that they don't go rabid.
Um, they have to put on makeupand wear contact lenses and uh
pretend to be alive.

SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
It's about conformity.

SPEAKER_04 (25:00):
It is.

SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:01):
And the main the main character is Kieran Walker,
a sensitive this is uh a directquote, a sensitive teen who died
by suicide before the rising.
It's called the rising.
So also what's unique aboutthese zombies is like uh it
seems like there was one day,one event where all the zombies
showed up, and then that was it.
They crawled out of theirgraves.
And unlike a lot of thestigmatization of the partially

(25:24):
deceased syndrome sufferers, uh,if you get bit by somebody who
is a zombie, you don't becomeone.

SPEAKER_01 (25:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:31):
It's like this one event that happened.

SPEAKER_01 (25:34):
But for some reason, like four years after the the
rising, people still think thatif you get bit by a zombie, you
turn into one.
There's a lot of misinformation.
People believe crazy things.
They're like, I've seen themovies.
I know how it works.

SPEAKER_00 (25:48):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, it makes me wonder if
if this is a movie world wherezombies are known.
I think so before they arrive.

SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
Because they do they at like what they mentioned that
everybody knows that if zombieif a zombie bites you, you turn
into a zombie.
But didn't they use the wordrotter?
Yeah, they call them they callthem rotters, they call them uh
rabid.
Um they call them all kinds ofall kinds of names.

SPEAKER_04 (26:12):
They're slurs against the partially deceased
syndrome sufferers.
Yeah.
P DSS.

SPEAKER_01 (26:17):
Yeah.
Uh and then, you know, the thethe zombies that are
re-integrating into societydon't like being called rotters.
They don't some of them don'teven like being called zombies.
They're like, that's that'stheir word.

SPEAKER_04 (26:30):
I think what's um good for us to put right on the
table now is that there's sortof two extreme groups on either
side.
So you have the PDSS people, uh,the undead, who are uh rejecting
the use of this drug, makingtheir own home brew of it, which
is a little disturbing.
You mean and they believe thatthey're like a superior species,

(26:51):
basically.
Would you agree with that,Ollie?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:54):
Um it does seem like some like there is a definitely
a sub section of the undead whoseem to believe that they are
the next evolution of life.

SPEAKER_04 (27:02):
Yeah.
And they're like hoping for asecond coming.
And then what's the human?
I feel like they're cults.
What's the human cult againcalled?

SPEAKER_00 (27:09):
Anybody remember?
It's in the notes.
I'm searching.
See if I can find it before youguys.

SPEAKER_01 (27:17):
Human volunteer force.
That's it.
The monster squad.

SPEAKER_04 (27:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:21):
Uh which actually kind of felt a lot like the IRA
in a lot of ways.
Um, like it was uh it's amilitia, they're just kind of
like formed from people in thecommunity, and it's still even
though the zombies are no longera threat, um, they still kind of
exist.
Like the members are out there,even though you know, like
support for what they do is kindof waning.

SPEAKER_00 (27:42):
Well, there's also a subsection of that group that
seemed to be uh actively hatefulagainst Roder as they seek them
out and try to like eliminatethem, even the ones who are are
cured.

SPEAKER_01 (27:57):
Yeah.
I mean, at the beginning, itkind of feels like most of them
are on are are in that camp.

SPEAKER_04 (28:02):
Most of them are Nazis, either casual Nazis or
out there hunting the PDSSfolks.
I feel like that's like theclosest.
Am I am I taking it a step toofar?
But I feel like No, I thinkthat's pretty accurate.
Yeah, like they don't think thatthey're human, they don't think
they deserve to be here.
They're ungodly.

SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
I mean, uh how how many how much how many spoilers
do we want to give out?

SPEAKER_04 (28:26):
I'll let you decide all of them.

SPEAKER_01 (28:28):
All all of the spoilers, okay.
So so uh sorry if uh if if we'vepiqued your your interest and
you're like, ooh, I should watchthis show.
We're gonna tell you too manythings, and then it's gonna it's
gonna ruin everything.
I think you'd still enjoywatching it.
Yeah, it's it's probably true.
Um but yeah, like episodeepisode one, the uh the human

(28:50):
volunteer force, they theyexecute a PDS person right in
the middle of the street.
No consequences.
No consequences.
Um it is alluded that theyexpected there might be
consequences, but there neverwas.
The cops never showed up.
Um and like this isn't this isat a time where like they're
being reintegrated into society.

(29:11):
So like they went to a treatmentcenter, they've gone through the
government's protocols to makesure that they can integrate
into society, their familieshave picked them up and are
taking care of them at theirhome.
And like, you know, they'rethey're being reintroduced into
the world as people, but stillit's kind of just okay to um

(29:32):
assassinate them as long asnobody asks too many questions
about what happened to them.

SPEAKER_00 (29:37):
They they actively try to keep Kieran Kieran hidden
also through the about the firstepisode.
His family wants him to stay inthe house in his room and not
tell anybody that he's there.

SPEAKER_04 (29:47):
And weren't they trying to sell the house too?
Like they wanted to leave.

SPEAKER_00 (29:50):
The community was a safe place.

SPEAKER_04 (29:53):
Yeah, and specifically Roraton, this small
town, is like the s I think thelocation of the initial
outbreak.
It happened all over thecountry.
I do we know of what happenedoutside of the country?
Yeah, because um uh um fuck, Ican't remember the name.
It might be in my list ofcharacters there at the time.

SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
I already went through the character, I think.
Oh, Rick.
Uh so Rick um joined the armyand was killed in combat in
Afghanistan and he came back asa zombie.

SPEAKER_00 (30:25):
And I think it was season two that explored where
it began and found that it thiswas the first place.

SPEAKER_04 (30:33):
Yeah, I'm curious if you all would call this a
magical zombie or like a sciencezombie.
Is it magic?
Is it science?
I feel like that's a tension ofthe show a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (30:45):
Unexplained supernatural.

SPEAKER_01 (30:47):
Yeah.
Which I would I would put intomagic.
Um but can be remedied withscience.
Apparently.
But the the reason that theycome back is unexplained.
Um there's believed to be a lotof mysticism about it.
Uh there's people that thinkthat they need to find um the

(31:08):
person who rose the first um anddo something with that person so
that there can be a secondrising.
There's like a a whole mythologybehind it, and it doesn't seem
to have any real roots in inlogic.
Uh there's just a number ofpeople that think that they that
the Bible says that it'llhappen.

(31:29):
I think it's the Bible.
I think they look in the Bibleand the Bible.
Yeah, they make some Biblequotes.
Yeah.
The Bible says it'll happenagain.
The second rising.

SPEAKER_04 (31:38):
Um and the second rising will be good people.
The first rising are all evilfake imposter people.

SPEAKER_01 (31:45):
Yeah.
And it could be possible thatthis is like um an original like
George Romero style from Nightof the Living Dead, where it was
literally like cosmic radiationthat made people who were dead
come back to life.
To make solar flares.
Jinx solar flare.

SPEAKER_04 (32:03):
I love that we had the same thought, Oliver.

SPEAKER_00 (32:05):
Are you guys enjoying the the Aurora
Borealis?

SPEAKER_04 (32:08):
We cannot see it.
Can you see the Aurora AuroraAurora Bal Boreala?
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:13):
With the uh with the recent solar flares, you're
supposed to be able to see themas far south as Florida.

SPEAKER_04 (32:17):
Wow.
I've seen some pictures of themon the internet.
I haven't been outside, so yeah,since you got laid off for the
season, you're you're not goingoutside.

SPEAKER_01 (32:27):
We've been too busy being high and doing art.

SPEAKER_04 (32:31):
And by we, Dan means he, because I've been busy with
other things.
Leah would never get high.
Oh, I I mean I have, but justnot as much as you.

SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
She would never do it.

SPEAKER_04 (32:42):
Um, what did you love about this?
Like, I remember yourecommending it to us, I don't
know, late spring last year, andit took us forever to get to it.
And then when we did, I lovedit.
Spoiler, Dan has mixed feelings.
Um, but you were like, I thinkyou told us this is like one of
your top two zombie things ever.

SPEAKER_00 (33:01):
Um, I don't know if I'd say top two, definitely in a
top 10.
If I was going just TV shows, Iwould say definitely top five.
Um but yeah, I loved the the Ilove the story of it, first off.
I loved the characterdevelopment, the uh the secrets
and the twists and plotsthroughout the entire thing, if

(33:23):
I'm trying to keep it vague andspoiler-free.
Um a lot of uh underlying likesocial commentary, I thought was
very poignant in it.
And like I know you have it inyour notes for like queer
analogy, and it's definitely uhuh a queer story about being
closeted and and conforming andtrying to keep your identity a

(33:46):
secret from everyone else, andfeeling like even though you're
not trying to hide yourself, youare keeping a secret by not
actively telling everyone whoyou are.

SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
Yeah.
And also um performingperforming those things for your
family's uh well-being.
Yeah, like Kieran, it'shilarious, but also like it's
it's such a perfect uh perfectmetaphor, is like they have
family dinner every single day,but as a zombie, he doesn't eat.

SPEAKER_00 (34:15):
Um so he's just sitting there moving an empty
fork back and forth from hisplate to his mouth.

SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
So they make him dinner every single day, which I
I I hate that it's going towaste because he's not eating
it.
Um that bothers me.
But he just sits there and hepretends to cut it with his
knife and his fork and pretendsto eat it, and he's like, mmm,
tastes really good.
Great, great dinner, greatmutton.

SPEAKER_04 (34:39):
Yeah, it's a really powerful example of how we are
forced to do things because likesociety says we should.
And when you're a queer personspecifically, it's like I think
if you're ever different fromthe quote unquote norm, all of
those things that are just likemade up by people and we're told
that we're supposed to do it, itbecomes really obvious because
you're like, why am I doing Idon't want to do this?
I don't need to do this, I don'tneed to eat, I don't need to

(35:01):
have sex with the opposite sex,no thanks, for example.
But I uh I really felt a lot ofgrief watching Kieran struggle
with his identity as a a PDSS umperson because he like covers
his mirror, so he can't seehimself when he doesn't have his
contacts in and his makeup, hismoose, they call it, on to make

(35:24):
his face look alive.
And that really, really, reallybroke my heart and felt very
real to me.

SPEAKER_00 (35:30):
Sorry, I've got another show stuck in my head
now because I'm I'm starting tomix this one with uh
Heartbreakers.

SPEAKER_04 (35:36):
Oh this is such a much much more sad.
This is the antithesis ofHeartbreaker.
No, was it Heartstopper?
Heartbreaker.
Heartstopper?

SPEAKER_00 (35:45):
Heartstoppers.

SPEAKER_04 (35:46):
Yeah.
That's like the that's the antithat's the antithesis.
That's such a happy, lovelycoming of age.

SPEAKER_00 (35:52):
Yeah, I was about to start talking about his uh
anorexia, and then I remembered,wait, nope, that's another show
entirely.
He can't be anorexic, he's azombie that doesn't eat.

SPEAKER_04 (36:04):
But well, interesting.
There could be something there,actually.
I hadn't thought of that.
What I would say though, I thinkis good that you brought up
Heartstoppers, because I've Ithink if you've not watched
either of them, you should watchIn the Flesh first and feel
really sad and confused aboutwhy humans are even here because
we're just stupid and mistreateach other.
And then you should watchHeartstoppers as like a healing

(36:25):
experience, because that's how Ifeel about that show.

SPEAKER_00 (36:27):
What was the name of the character that uh had his
hand bitten?
I can't remember him.

SPEAKER_01 (36:33):
Oh, was it Simon?
No, the guy with the long cream.

SPEAKER_00 (36:37):
I think the character was the leader of the
other group.

SPEAKER_03 (36:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (36:40):
That uh Kieran eventually turns to.
Um, but either way, there wasone character, and I thought
this was a great analogy alsofor uh like the I don't want to
specifically say RepublicanParty, but it is definitely the
right-wing, anti-gay sort ofgroups that are like as soon as
he was bitten, even though theyknow that it like you won't

(37:02):
turn, when they thought of therethere being a even the slightest
chance of him being one of whatthey hate, they immediately
turned on him.

unknown (37:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:11):
They locked him up, they shunned him from their
entire community and said, Youare no longer with us.
And like, even even that Ithought was a perfect example of
of a queer storyline, and how uhfrom like both sides of the
viewership, where like that'swhat everybody lives in fear of

(37:32):
when they come out, is when theycome out that everyone's gonna
turn their back on them and shunthem and just push them away,
and they're going to lose alltheir friends, family, and their
life, essentially.

SPEAKER_04 (37:42):
Yeah, and for good reason, because that has been
the way it's been uh in Westernsociety for a while now, I'd say
solidly a couple hundred years.
I can't guarantee up past 1700s,because I don't know.
Yeah, I'm assuming it would wewere still queer phobic in the
1700s.

SPEAKER_01 (37:59):
I think that this show did uh uh a really great
job of of showing thosedifferent layers of like that uh
that conservative mindset that'slike um rejecting people for not
representing the things thatthey th they think that the norm
should be.
Um like and and that characteris a perfect example.
I wish I could remember hisname.

(38:19):
He's a guy with a long greasyhair and looks like a devil.

SPEAKER_00 (38:23):
Um you immediately get the redemption in the second
season.

SPEAKER_01 (38:26):
He does, yeah.
You kind of hate him because Ihonestly it's because of the way
that he looks.
He looks like a bad guy to me.
And he'll he looks gross.
If you've got greasy hair, yeah.
Um, but then like he kind oflike you can start to have a bit
of sympathy for him.
You learn that he has diabetes.
So like when he's locked up inquarantine, he's like, um, I I

(38:47):
need like a sandwich orsomething.
I'm I have diabetes, I I'm gonnadie.
Um but also uh Rick's dad is uhis also like this uh other
archetype where he's uh tryinghe he only he only communicates
with his son in what heperceives as manly um avenue.

(39:08):
So like when when he first comesback and you know he's uh being
integrated into society again,they go out um and shoot guns in
the backyard.
And it's he's always talkingabout sports or gonna get his
son drunk at the local pub, eventhough he can't drink.
Yeah, even though he he's azombie and he can't enjoy
alcohol, he's like, well, drinkit anyway.

(39:30):
Did we already introduce whoRick is?
Uh I don't know.
I think we should do that.

SPEAKER_02 (39:35):
Oh's Rick.

SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
Who's Rick, Ollie?
Uh Rick is the secret boyfriend.
Of Kieran.
He's the character who died uhoverseas.
They assumed he was dead.
He comes back.
His father has a completeexistential crisis because he's
the leader of the anti-uh PDSgroup.
And then uh, yes, other secretsuh from before their deaths come

(40:02):
out.

SPEAKER_04 (40:02):
Yeah, and it's a very closeted love story.
I think um it was very obviousto me that they were queer, like
from the outset, and becausethere were literally paintings
of Rick that Kieran had made.
Like you I mean, I don't I don'tknow.
I don't typically paint a lot ofportraits of my friends and have
them all over my bedroom.

SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
Oh, you don't?
Right?
No.
Oh why?
Is that weird?

SPEAKER_04 (40:26):
I mean, I guess I guess I shouldn't say it's weird
because people do things, butthere's a lot of implied
intimacy.
Um, it's very queer-coded.
And then if you don't get it inseason one, they hit you over
the head with it in season twowhen we're introduced to a new
love interest for Kieran.
Um, and we finally actually getto see them kiss and like still
have to hide it.
Uh, but I thought that wasreally interesting that it was

(40:48):
it was done in a way that Ithink some people might not pick
it up if they themselves justhaven't had a lot of experience
in that way or are not queerthemselves.
Um, but for me, it was like getit was definitely very obvious
and really fuckingheartbreaking.
That's sort of my it was thisheartstoppers, this is
heartbreaking.
It was devastating in every way.
It was like they picked everyaspect of what makes it hard to

(41:11):
be different in a society, andthen we're just like, watch
people suffer.
And I'll not only the people whoare queer suffer, but the people
who are like doing this to them.
Rick's dad is objectively anasshole.
Yeah, he's violent, has noremorse for harming uh folks
with PDS, denies that his sonhas it, and requires the entire

(41:31):
town to pretend that he doesn't,but he's also suffering.
Like he's not well.

SPEAKER_03 (41:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:36):
I don't know.
Um is it a bridge too far tohave empathy for his dad?

SPEAKER_01 (41:39):
No.
I mean, yes.
Uh he I mean, he he has he hassome moments where he could have
redeemed himself, he could haveaccepted his son, but he just
didn't.
And the he his actions areirredeemable, literally.
Um again, I don't know how muchwe're supposed to we should be
giving out because it's it's bigspoiler territory to talk about

(42:02):
what Rick's dad does.
Yeah, we can't.
But Rick's dad's not a good guy.
And you know, if if a if afamily member comes to you and
says, this is who I am, and I'mnot going to pretend to be
somebody that I'm not, and youstill can't accept them, then I
I don't really have any remorsefor you, no matter how much

(42:24):
you're suffering.
It's it's it's pretty it'sreally easy to accept somebody.
Um and the mental gymnasticsthat you have to go through to
be like, no, you're still who Isay you are, even if you're
telling me that you're not, andthat everybody else is telling
me that you're not, and thefacts line up that I'm wrong,

(42:45):
I'm going to insist that I'mright because that's the world I
want to believe.

SPEAKER_00 (42:49):
I mean, if you have to take to justify your own
hatred.

unknown (42:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (42:52):
Yeah.
I'm curious, Ollie, if you'veever had somebody like look at
you through that filter, becauseI have, where it's like they
don't it they have a filter andthey can't take it off.
They're just like, this is whoyou are because I've decided
that's who you are because ofdecades of programming.

SPEAKER_00 (43:05):
Uh not in person, but I've had a lot of online
arguments.

unknown (43:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:11):
I mean, I've I think I've even experienced that.
And I'm you know, I I think it'sa little bit harder to to see
because like I have to know Iwould have to know what people
think about me that they're notsaying out loud.
And sometimes I get a littleglimpse of that, and a lot of
times it's it's because of uhbeing a veteran, um or just by
the way that I look.

(43:32):
Um scary man.
Yeah, I I I look like I wouldblend in at CPAC.
It's true.
Yeah, I I look like I look likeI regularly go to NASCAR races.
Um I look like I have a favoritefootball team.

(43:54):
I look like my truck is a lottaller than it actually is.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (43:58):
The biggest difference though, like that's
true, people misinterpret youfor sure.
And I think that that'sindividually harmful.
But systemically, like out inthe society, uh, you're not an
equivalent of a PDS suffererwhere where like, you know what
I mean?
So it's it's still different.

SPEAKER_01 (44:12):
No, it's definitely different.
That's the only reason that Ibring it up is just that like
even I have noticed it aboutmyself.
And and to notice it about theway that people feel about me is
it's gotta be on such a microscale.
Cause like otherwise theywouldn't have anything to say to
me.
They've already decided who Iam, and I'm fine with who they

(44:33):
think I am.

SPEAKER_04 (44:34):
Yeah.
I think it's really interestinghow they observe like the people
that are closest to Kieran andRick are the ones who are least
able to see them.

SPEAKER_00 (44:43):
That's true.
They got blinders on, they wantto see who they think they are.

SPEAKER_01 (44:47):
Yeah.
And that becomes a lot moreclear in season two, at least
with uh Kieran's family.
Um season one, they seem like afairly accepting family, except
for the weird dinner thing.

SPEAKER_00 (44:57):
Um sister.

SPEAKER_01 (44:59):
But it like it does seem like they're trying to
they're making steps to try tobe a functional family together,
and it seems like they do lovethem.
It's it's not until season twowhere it's like, oh, these
people are also a bit messed upin the head.

SPEAKER_00 (45:13):
Um his sister.

SPEAKER_01 (45:18):
Yeah, really quickly too.
I don't I don't even rememberhow that happened.

SPEAKER_04 (45:23):
Yeah, that's a that's in the hated character
category for me.
I felt like there were somethings that were just rushed.
Probably because it was only twoseasons, which was so sad.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:30):
And they're very short seasons too, like four
episodes, I want to say.

SPEAKER_04 (45:34):
Still took us months to finish because we were I
don't remember what we werebinging, but something.
We had to re-watch it again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um what else did you all love?
Like the there's the queerstoryline and all the facets of
that.

unknown (45:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:49):
I've I found uh Kieran's sister Jem to be an
interesting character becauseshe's uh she's a member of the
human volunteer force, um, butalso like a teenager.
Um so you know she's she's shehas a lot of trauma from the
things that she had to do duringthe uprising.

(46:09):
One of those things was seeingKieran out in the wild eating a
person, um and her likeinability to act on that.
Spoiler alert, she doesn't shoother brother.

SPEAKER_04 (46:21):
Ollie, have you ever been caught out in the wild
eating brains?

SPEAKER_00 (46:25):
Uh no, I don't do it in the wild.
I have a basement.

SPEAKER_04 (46:28):
Ah, very civilized zombie.
Got it.
You gotta have a basement.

SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
But yeah, so she just put down some newspapers
and clean up after myself, makesure it's clean.
I learned a lot from Dexter.

SPEAKER_01 (46:41):
Yeah, you know, Dexter, the show where he puts
down newspapers before hemurders people.

SPEAKER_00 (46:47):
Well, I put newspaper under the plastic
sheets, you know, just as anextra layer of coverage.

SPEAKER_01 (46:51):
Under the plastic sheets.

SPEAKER_00 (46:53):
So just in case.

SPEAKER_01 (46:54):
If you walk into Ollie's basement for whatever
reason and you're standing on anewspaper, watch out.
Yes, that means you're dinner.
You look down and you're justlike, oh no.

SPEAKER_00 (47:07):
Netflix and kill.

SPEAKER_01 (47:10):
Um, but yeah, Jem represents this uh you know PTSD
archetype.
So like it's exploring the theuh psychological effects of
being a survivor in that world,um, which I I've which I found
mostly realistic.
And all the things that I lovedwere all the character
development stuff.

(47:31):
The the character stories feltuh like real people interacting.

SPEAKER_00 (47:36):
Yes, yes.
It all felt very real.

SPEAKER_04 (47:38):
Too real.
It really felt like they werejust needling all of the ways
that humans suck sometimes.
But there were redemption arcs.
I think we we have to talk aboutAmy.
She was definitely a part of theshow that I loved.
Amy Dyer?
Amy Dyer, who's undead.

SPEAKER_00 (47:52):
Yeah.
She she died.
Just hearing that name suddenly,I I understand the pun there.

SPEAKER_01 (47:59):
Kieran Walker, you know, like from The Walking
Dead.
Oh wow, I really think that upDyer, like something that
somebody does when they die.
What's Rick's last name?

SPEAKER_00 (48:09):
I mean Monroe.
That one doesn't work.

SPEAKER_01 (48:13):
Like the Monroeville Mall.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:18):
Apologies.
You got Bill Macy.
I think that's also Rick.
Is that Rick was Bill's son,right?

SPEAKER_04 (48:26):
Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:27):
So that would be Rick Macy.
Yeah, Macy, like the store atthe Monroe Mall.

SPEAKER_01 (48:33):
Yeah.
There's probably a Macy.
I'm pretty sure.
Oh no, we walked through adick's.
Yeah, there's a dick.
Yeah.
Dicks like at the MonroevilleMall.
Yeah.
Like Bill.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (48:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't realize that.
Wow, there's a whole other layerhere to appreciate.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:51):
I think there's some layers.
Did you just layers?
I found Amy really interesting.
Um, yeah.
Actually, I think you hit thenail on the head, Leah, when you
were talking earlier about youknow how the story it points out
all the ways that it's reallyhard to be different.
And I think that Amy is just adifferent kind of person.

(49:14):
And at the heart of it, likebecoming a zombie in this world
is kind of just like they'rethey're making people who are
different into zombies.
So that like that's thecomparison that they're trying
to make.
So like if you were a weirdo inhigh school, if you are kind of
off the wall like Amy becauseshe's just like a funny and uh

(49:36):
and rough around the edges kindof character.

SPEAKER_00 (49:39):
She's free.
Very self-accepting.

SPEAKER_01 (49:41):
Yeah.
She does she doesn't believe inmeshing with society or doing
what society wants you to do.
She's she's very punk rock, um,even though she doesn't really
she doesn't dress like a punk,but I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (49:53):
I think her her dress is like actually fits her
vibe.
Or like fluffy dr floofy dress?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (49:59):
Yeah.
That's my rock is a mentality,not a style.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (50:03):
That's right.
And she's totally punk rock.

SPEAKER_04 (50:06):
Punk rock with a flower in your hair.

SPEAKER_01 (50:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:08):
That's Amy.

SPEAKER_01 (50:08):
That's that's Amy in a nutshell.
Um, but yeah, she's she'sdifferent in that way.
And Kieran is different becauseof the his his queerness, and
the same with Rick, who'scloseting his queerness by
joining the army.
Um Simon in that who we meet inseason two is also a very

(50:30):
different person, like a hyperintellectual person uh who's
actually not closeting hisqueerness.
Well, but also just notadvertising.

SPEAKER_04 (50:39):
Again, I feel like it's a spoiler to get too much
into the fact that there'sthere's some misleading
happening that Simon does.
He does, yeah.
I don't agree with it.

SPEAKER_00 (50:49):
He had a beard for a little while.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:51):
Yeah, he did have a beard.

SPEAKER_00 (50:53):
He had a beard.

SPEAKER_01 (50:54):
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, the like thezombie apocalypse in this story
is um different people whohappened to be dead and they
came back because they weredifferent.
Even like smaller charactersthat we see in season two, like
there's this one arc about thisguy who's kind of kind of a

(51:15):
little bit of a kind of a fuckup, you know, like somebody who
uh likes to drive his car fastand he likes he likes going out
drinking and you know, he's veryreckless, but also it's because
he was kind of young and like inall the ways that he was
different, he was just like hewas just not meshing with
society in the way that societywants you to.

(51:36):
Like he was out there justtrying to live his freest and
honestly ADHD life.
Like I I I I see I see young Danin that guy so much, just
driving around in his fast carrev reving at stoplights, uh lit
living out of a storage unit.

SPEAKER_04 (51:57):
This is where I admit I've totally forget what
character you're talking about,and I don't know memory of this.

SPEAKER_00 (52:02):
It's in season two, but it's it's this I don't know
his name either, but I felt likehe just appeared out of nowhere
and was suddenly there and quitea story.

SPEAKER_01 (52:08):
He got an episode and it like his whole his whole
story too.
It was just like, I don't meshwith society, I don't fit in.

SPEAKER_04 (52:15):
Yeah, and there's a lot of found family themes too,
which is um definitely commonfor for queer storylines and
experiences.
What did you hate?
Ollie, did you hate anything inthis show?

SPEAKER_00 (52:26):
Uh not in season one.
I had some complaints aboutseason two, and I definitely
have a lot of complaints aboutseason three.

SPEAKER_04 (52:32):
Okay, but I think you're messing with me because I
was convinced that there werethree seasons.
Then you clarify that there wereonly two, Oliver.
Are you telling me there is oh,you jerk.
Because even when I waspreparing for this today, I was
like writing three seasons.
I'm like, wait, no, that's a lieI told myself.

SPEAKER_00 (52:48):
No, my my main complaint about season three is
its lack of existence.

SPEAKER_04 (52:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (52:52):
Yeah, it's it it they didn't make a season three.

SPEAKER_00 (52:56):
Uh spoiler.
Yeah, unfortunately, because itended on a uh bit of a uh
cliffhanger there, like theywere leading to something much
bigger.
Um, but complaints for seasontwo were mainly um well, I felt
like the character personalitieswere not quite the same as the
first one, like especially withthe dad.

(53:17):
I feel like he just out of theblue flipped on flipped around
and changed his mind about howeverything was.

SPEAKER_03 (53:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:24):
Instead of trying to protect his son, he went with
uh, you know, the law says wegotta do this and you gotta do
that.
And uh I didn't like the thestory with the guy who got
himself locked in the uh in thegarage.
Uh like I I didn't I didn't knowwho that character was.
I don't really remember him fromseason one, and if he was there,

(53:44):
he certainly wasn't a big partof any of it.
Oh, the guy I was just talkingabout.
Yeah, the guy you were justtalking about.

SPEAKER_01 (53:49):
No, he showed up in season two.
He was like he was um he wassomebody who was part of their
work crew.
The those the the PDS sufferers,they get assigned to a work crew
and they have to work for freeum to repay their debt to
society.
That's this whole thing.
Um and he was just a part ofthat crew, and you you see him
in a previous episode, and he'slike, Why do I have to do this?

(54:11):
I'm a small business owner.
And they're like, You have torepay your debt to society, so
do it.
Put on this vest.

SPEAKER_00 (54:18):
Uh, and then he just got I think he got a whole
episode, if I'm not mistaken, orat least like Yeah, he basically
had a whole episode, and it feltlike he was uh main character
suddenly, and then he just hewas there for an episode and
then just disappeared again.

SPEAKER_04 (54:30):
Clearly, my brain rejected him because I have no
memory of any of this.

SPEAKER_01 (54:34):
I thought he was a fascinating character, but um
but I don't think he needed morethan one episode.

SPEAKER_00 (54:40):
I interest you.
That whole love triangle withhim and his ex-wife and his
ex-wife's new boyfriend.
It was all very weird andconfusing, and I didn't know
where it came from or why it waspresent, honestly.

unknown (54:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:55):
Oh, are we talking about things we don't like?

SPEAKER_04 (54:57):
Yes.
Okay, you ready?
You ready, Dan?
I'm first I want before you sayanything, I want to say that Dan
ruined season two for me.
Because I was having a goodtime, and I would just be like,
this is great.
And then Dan would be like, huh,why'd they do what this makes no
sense?
Blah blah job.
And I was like, stop it.
What I've learned from youthough is the details matter to

(55:18):
you and I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 (55:20):
I love details.
The details make the differencebetween me wanting to dive into
something and understand everytiny little part of it, and me
giving up and hating it.
Um, I I think I agree with Olliefor the most part on season one.
Um, season one had its shittogether, but there were like a

(55:42):
few little things, and honestly,I don't think it was the core
story that was the problem.
This was adapted from a graphicnovel, if I'm not mistaken.
I'd like to read it.
And parts of it I feel like werethings that were just kind of
lost in translation, where maybethe screenwriter didn't um kind
of skipped over something orthey edited something out that

(56:04):
they didn't realize was a muchbigger thing that was related to
something that happens later inthe story.
Um or it could have also justbeen like between the screen the
the screenplay and when it wasdirected.
Uh I feel like sometimes thecharacters, like mostly the side
characters who just exist in thetown, they kind of seem like

(56:27):
they've never seen a single dayof the zombie apocalypse
sometimes.
Um they just that they they seemlike if a zombie came out of uh
around the around the cornersomewhere, they would just like
panic and like run in place andthen like hide under a dumpster
and get eaten.
And it's like, how did yousurvive?
How did you make it four yearsinto this shit when you seem

(56:52):
like you've never seen a uh aday of action in your whole
life?
Um and that's really my onlygripe about season one, is just
that I I think honestly, I thinkit was a direction problem.
It was the the directing of theepisodes.

unknown (57:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:08):
There was just like it didn't feel like there had
ever been an apocalypse.
Um because you know, we'recoming in after, but we're not
seeing like evidence of that.
We're not seeing people that arethat are like that look like
they've been through something.
They don't talk like they'vebeen through something.
The town doesn't look like it'sbeen through anything, it just

(57:28):
looks like a normal town.

SPEAKER_04 (57:29):
Do I just have low standards?

SPEAKER_00 (57:31):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 (57:32):
Like, did you notice that?

SPEAKER_00 (57:34):
No, I do.

unknown (57:35):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (57:35):
But I think I think that whatever happened, whether
it was from direction or fromthe the screenwriting or the
adaptation, um, like whateverdetails that they didn't spend
enough time with or didn't getright, or they tried to shoehorn
in where it didn't reallybelong, be it made things much

(57:57):
more obvious in season two asthe plot holes kept on widening
and the details kept on gettinga little bit more ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 (58:06):
Yeah, I know you don't want to say it because
it'll spoil it, but there wasone thing where Kieran was in
trouble.
I'm not gonna say more about it,but the basic, like, if you
lined up the story, it made nosense that nobody just put two
and two together that likeclearly he shouldn't be in
trouble.

SPEAKER_01 (58:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (58:21):
Um, and that I didn't notice.
Again, I don't know if younotice these things, Oliver.
I was just like, oh no, Kieran'sin trouble.
And Dan's over there, like,memory, this is so easily
resolved.
That's what he sounds like.

SPEAKER_01 (58:33):
Well, like without giving away too much, somebody
was like, Hey, Kieran, we thinkyou did this thing and you're in
trouble now.
And he's like, Yeah, but Iwasn't even there.
And they're like, Well, we havevideo footage of you, and he's
like, uh, well, that videofootage was from four days
before this even happened.
And they're like, We still thinkit's you.

(58:53):
And it's like, he's not bringingup the fact that at the time of
the crime that happened, he wassitting at a table eating dinner
with his parents and two membersof the human volunteer force.
I love how I tried to keep thisspoiler-free, and then you're
like, no, it's so egregious, Ihave to describe it.

(59:14):
And you could just be like, Hey,I know you want to bring me in
and charge me with this crime,but you were at the dinner table
with me when this was happening.
I was there, I didn't goanywhere, you didn't go
anywhere, yet the crime stillhappened.

SPEAKER_04 (59:31):
Again, Oliver, did you notice this?

SPEAKER_00 (59:34):
Yes, because again, his dad did not support him.
He had evidence saying that hewas not involved in that, and
his dad did not speak up or sayanything.

SPEAKER_01 (59:43):
His dad was at the dinner table too, and that's
what I mean.
It's just like, even though,like, I could I could accept if
people were like, Well, maybeyou did it after dinner.
You know, we don't have theexact time frame, but at no
point did he ever bring up thefact, like, you're my alibi,
dad.
You were there, you know Ididn't do this.
That ruins the plot, Dan.

(01:00:03):
It ruins the plot because itpoints out how ridiculous it is.
It points out the the fallaciesthat make it not work.
And I think that that was justsomething that it was all
shoehorned together by thatpoint because they'd already
either cut or changed so manydetails that they couldn't make
the story work the way it waswritten originally.

(01:00:26):
That's my that's my theoryanyway.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:28):
I'm sure the original writer cried.
I'm sure that the graphic novelis better.
Oh, I'm positive.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:33):
Yeah.
Everybody read the graphic novelinstead of watching the show.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:38):
There is no graphic novel.
What?
Yeah, I was excited when yousaid that, and I immediately
jumped on the side.
I thought you were the one thattold us.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:45):
Hold on.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:46):
Is this like where I invent?
This is how you know we wantedmore.
I invented a season three in mybrain, and Dan pretended there
was a graphic novel.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:54):
I do know a couple shows that are based on graphic
novels, like uh Daybreaker andSweet Tooth, which I have
recommended both of those toyou.
Best of my knowledge, this onedoes not have a graphic novel
that I can find.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:07):
Yeah.
Uh a Google search is umbreaking up a lot of uh I need
this, I need to put safe searchon.
Um anyway.
I'm like, what's over there?
When you put in flesh andgraphic in the same search
string, you get some weirdstuff.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:25):
I understand your struggle because my favorite
band is group love, and myfavorite song by them is Naked
Kids.
And then you try to Google that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:33):
Oh boy.
Oh, the cops are all ready to belike.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:37):
You get on a list, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:40):
Uh um, Oliver, was there anything else that you
hated?
I know Dan, you got you got yourrant out, but I want to know if
there's anything we missed,Oliver, that you want to.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:48):
No, I think Dan covered most of it.
I think that a lot of thewriting and a lot of the the
weird plot stuff that was goingon in season two, uh, a lot of
it did not make sense.
A lot of it was easily explainedaway if anybody had any ounce of
logic to them.
And it was like from an outsideobserver, a lot of it was an
obvious setup.

(01:02:09):
And yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:11):
Not to me, apparently.
I think I must have been playingmy phone games or something.
I'm gonna blink my attentionspan.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:18):
I think the main story in season two is good, and
I think a lot of the uh otherstuff that goes on in season two
is great.
It's just there's a lot of minorsmall stuff.
I think most of what happenswith Kieran in season two is
just yeah, I think Kieran'sstory mainly is just I don't
know.
It's unpleasant.
I don't like it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:36):
Yeah, and then we don't get to know what happens
with Amy at the end.
That's all I'm gonna say.
It's very annoying.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:42):
Well, we know what happens to Amy, but that's
spoiler.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:45):
That's true.
And there's a twist at the endthat I'm also not gonna spoil.
And I what I realized is we havenot talked about Maxine Martin
yet.
And I feel like that's anothercharacter we have to talk about.
Uh, I think she's the only blackcharacter in the whole show.
And she is she grew up inRoareton and then left as a
child and is now an MP.
Do you Americans know what an MPis?

(01:03:07):
Military police.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:09):
What's a PM?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:10):
Prime Minister?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:11):
True.
So this is a minister prime.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:17):
Um hold on.
There is an optimist prime jokein here somewhere.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:21):
Um we'll wait.
Dan put on the Jeopardy music.
Religious Optimus Prime.
An MP means member ofparliament.
Oh.
So uh Maxine Martin is themember of parliament for the
region that we're talking about.
Shouldn't it be M-O-P?
Mop.
Sure.
The mop.
She's the mop.
Right.
Um, and I think it's reallyinteresting because I do think

(01:03:44):
race plays a little bit of arole there because even though
she grew up there, she's treatedlike an outsider and with like a
lot of suspicion.
Um, it's never overt, but Ithink that there are some
moments where you can kind offeel there's a racial tension
there.
Um, but her role basically, likeon the surface, it appears that
she hates PDS sufferers.
And she is team, get rid of themall, because she's like the uh

(01:04:07):
author of really, reallyoppressive legislation that
makes it so that all of their umactions are monitored.
They have to do this volunteerprogram, um, they can't leave
the country because Kieran wantsto leave the country.
And then something happens atthe end that is completely
unexpected and really made mewant a season three.
I don't remember what happened.
You don't remember this okay.

(01:04:27):
I love how you remember therandom thing and guy who doesn't
matter.
This is like pivotal, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:32):
Does it remember the biggest thing happening in the
last episode?
Yeah.
It's probably one of the biggestum uh uh uh cliffhangers since
Who Shot J HR.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:44):
Yeah.
Wow, a a Dallas reference.
But also she just takes a turnwhere I was like, Whoa, I didn't
know you were so unwell.
I mean, I knew you were unwell,but wow.
Um, and maybe maybe we'll getlucky, maybe it'll become like a
cult classic.
Everybody go and stream in theflesh and then demand a third
season.
Or watch like or read thegraphic novel that doesn't
exist.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:05):
My understanding is that the script for the third
season does exist.
It just never got funded foradapt adaptation.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:12):
I wonder why.
I can tell you why.
In the spirit and tradition ofour friends at Wicked Words,
ain't nothing but a heart ache.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:22):
There we go.
Now we've got uh two is thatBackstreet Boys or Instinct?

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:26):
I never want to hear you say it backwards.
Yeah, whatever.
90s boy band, and I apologizefor my bad singing.
But in in honor of our friendsat Wicked Words book club, we
always do like a one-starreview.
I found one for this show, and Iblame this person for why we
don't have more, because theysaid that, quote, the fevered
imagination, this comes fromsorry, quote, this comes from

(01:05:46):
the fevered imagination of anovice screenwriter just off a
dramatic writing course who hasjust watched The Walking Dead
and eaten lots of cheese beforebedtime.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:55):
I love the detail of the cheese.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:57):
Yeah, they were very disappointed.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:59):
You know, I don't entirely disagree, um, because
my my gripes are are the writingof it.
Um, but I I the season one wasactually good writing-wise.
I don't know what happened inseason two that it just all fell
apart.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:15):
I think we should just give Z's.
I would give season one nine Z'sand I'd give season two or two
zs.
Seven Zeds.
I'd still give it seven.
I really enjoyed it.
So if you m average that out,it's like eight and a half or
something like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:31):
Math.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:31):
Um you know, talking to Ollie last night, I I
realized that if I just umignore the plot holes um the the
the strange the strange uhdirection choices, um you know,
all all the ways that thingstend to not make sense when
they're put together the waythat they decided to put them

(01:06:53):
together.
Uh in some cases the poor uhacting and physical acting and
the technical details uh thatjust kind of make it fall apart.
Um I'd give it a nine, nine outof ten Zeds.
Wow.
Because deep down, like it is agood a good interpersonal story
that uh that says a lot um aboutour society.

(01:07:17):
And that's what I love about thezombie apocalypse genre.
Um so yeah, if we just ignoreall those things, it's like a
nine out of ten.
What would you rate it?

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:24):
I think season one uh would be a five out of five
for me.
If we're going to ten, I wouldsay probably like a nine out of
ten.
And yeah, season two, probablylike a six or seven out of ten,
like a three out of five.
So I think a eight is a goodfair, fair uh uh uh rating for
that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:40):
Do we remember what Darren from Undead Symphony
rated it?
Because I know it's gonna belower than us.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:45):
Probably a six.
I mean, I can look it up realfast.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:48):
Yeah, please do.
Because I love Darren is thetrue, like a ten must be perfect
kind of a writer, and I'm likeuh I loved it.
It's great, it makes it a ten.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:58):
So it looks like Darren from uh Undead Symphony
gave it a six out of ten, atleast that's for season two.
And let me check a seven out often for season one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:08):
Okay, yeah.
So that's that's basically oureight and a half.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:11):
Yeah, that's a very good rating from Darren.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:14):
Yeah, well, Darren's also watched some really
horrible stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:17):
So well, he's I think he also only rated 28 days
later like an eight.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:22):
Yeah.
And quantum or blood quantumlike a seven and a half.
So, like I said, I think if wewere all this is how I'd like us
to close out.
If you were an elementary schoolteacher and you had to grade
students, I think Darren wouldmake children cry.
And I think that I would giveeverybody A's because I did when

(01:08:43):
I was a teacher.
I'm pretty sure I was known asthe easy class because I was.
We're we're the self-esteemgraders.
Yeah.
I mean, unless I mean there werepeople I had to fail, but they
were rare.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:54):
There's there's movies and TV shows we have to
fail too.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:57):
Yeah, this isn't it though.
This is great.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:00):
I think I could only teach a class that that like
it's subjective, and I d so Idon't have to grade anybody
lowly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:08):
So you'd be a pass fail person and you just pass
everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:11):
Yes.
But also, I want to point outDarren actually rated quantum uh
blood quantum a seven out often, same rating.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:18):
Oh, I thought it was a seven and a half for some
reason.
Okay.
Interesting.
See, I would put blood quantumhigher than than this.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:25):
Yeah.

unknown (01:09:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:26):
Um but again, it this is subjective.
Even the way that I say theletter Z is subjective.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:35):
Did you know that my first zombie story was just
titled Z?
I did.
I think I've read it.
That'll be coming in a futurecomic.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:43):
Yay, that's right.
Everybody, if you haven't yet,go to the show notes and or just
go to Ollie Eats Brains onInstagram everywhere else.
You can get the link to theirKickstarter.
Go and make sure that we can inthe future rate Maze, the comic
series, 10 out of 10 Zeds,because we know that's what's
coming.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:02):
I might put two links to it in the description
because we are running the uhthe mid-roll ads for Ollie,
which automatically adds it, butwhen we remove that, it'll go
away.
So this we want this episode tohave a permanent one.
So there when you check it,there might be two.
Little behind-the-scenes thingsthat Dan does.
Yes.
Don't be confused.

(01:10:23):
They're the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:25):
I need to re-record that because I've listened to it
a couple times now, and itsounds like I'm talking with
marbles in my mouth.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:30):
I mean, I understand.
Is that not what you were goingfor?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:34):
It's how also.
Yeah, I was trying to go for theauthentic zombie speak fill.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:39):
I think you nailed it.
I wouldn't change a word.

unknown (01:10:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:42):
But I know that we sadly need to end this
conversation.
Ollie, as usual, thank you forcoming back on the show.
Number six.
Um, I am suggesting that you andLori have a summer ween slam
down to decide who we love moreon this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:57):
I think I can win that one.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:59):
No comment.
I do not say out loud myfavorite.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:02):
We don't have a mustache to lose.
I have no mustache on the Lori'sgonna come for something.
Yeah, you better think aboutthat.
And if you don't have amustache, it might be painful.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:13):
Jeez, I do have eyebrows.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:15):
Oh, all right.
I mean, without a mustache, Lorimight just come for your lips.
Eyebrows.
I think that's great.
It's kind of the new style.
Let's hope, let's hope she wantsyour eyebrows.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:28):
All right, everybody.
Thanks for joining the ZombieBook Club.
Thank you, Ollie, for being ourofficial member with a card.
You can support us by leaving arating or review, sending us a
voicemail up to three minutes at614-699-00006, please do,
because it's under threat ofbeing lost again.
Oh, you gotta send us avoicemail so we don't know what
it's old-fashioned to give us avoicemail, but it's why I like
it.
Please do thank you.

(01:11:49):
Sign up for our newsletter thatwe never send so we can stay in
touch, or follow us on Instagramat zombie bookclub podcast.
You can also join Ollie's BrainMunchers Collective Discord.
It's got all of the best zombiepodcast shows on it.
All the links are in thedescription.
The end is nigh, my friends.
Baby, bye, bye, bye.
Don't die.
Oliver, say bye.
Oh, bye.

(01:12:10):
Sorry.
Bye.

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