(NO SPOILERS) Is Zoombies 2 Better than 28 Years Later? | Zombie Book Club Ep 102 - Zombie Book Club

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome to Zombie Book Club, the only book club
where the book is two movies andthey're both sequels and they
both have pregnant people, butonly one of them has big
swingin' dicks.
Which one We'll find out.
Okay, I'm Dan, and when I'm notswingin' my dick, I'm writing a
book about the zombieapocalypse that will have as
many sequels as I can squeezeout of it.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
And I'm Leah and I'm going to swing my big dick
during today's intellectuallyrigorous discussion where we
tackle the existential questionof our times.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh, and what question is that?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's not whether starting a war with Iran is a
good idea.
It's not whether we should keepa dead woman alive to deliver a
fetus.
It's not even whether we shouldall dress up as ice agents to
escort immigrants safely totheir hearings, because none of
that matters.
None of that's important.
Oh, the only thing that'simportant right now.
The real question we should allbe asking is is zombies 2 a

(01:18):
better zombie film than 28 yearslater?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
this is the important question of our generation.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Zoombies 2.
Or 28 Years Later.
Yeah, a movie we watched lastnight.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes, and we watched Zoombies 2 on Friday night.
And if you didn't get the joke,because you're new here, I'm
being extremely sarcastic.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I thought we were actually going to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh no, we are.
We are going to compareZoombies 2 versus 28 years later
and I would like to say this isour dissociative casual dead
episode, because we had awonderful day yesterday, one of
the best I would say it wasgreat.
Then I opened my phone andlearned about uh, us bombing
nuclear facilities in iran andthought right, everything's

(02:02):
fucking terrible.
Let's talk about zumbies.
2 and 20 years later for thisepisode, we'll talk about the
terrible stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Another time, and besides, by the time this
episode comes out, this is suchold news.
We're already in World War 3.
What new horrors have?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
happened.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
We're hiding in our bunkers from the radioactive
fallout.
There are Chinese forces bootson the ground in New York City,
while there's Russian boots onthe ground in Maine and Iranian
boots on the ground inCalifornia.
And that was just.
That's just a week from now.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I kind of rooting for the Chinese force.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
In this scenario, china, come save us.
Yeah, save us China.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
That feels weird to say, say it does, especially
after all the shitty things theydid to taiwan yeah, I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's a confusing time .
Everybody tucker carlson hadsome good points.
I'm confused, so that's whywe're going to talk about
zombies too, and 28 years lateryeah, it's I mean we release
episodes every Sunday, sosubversive.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Wow, and that word means.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Subvert your expectations.
Oh, okay.
Do subversive things like dressup as ICE agents and help
people go to their immigrationhearings and not get fucking
pulled away by ICE agents.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, and by do do that we mean don't do that.
Wink, wink, wink quotation.
I already dress like an iceagent.
And that I mean I just dresslike a dude with a hat and
sunglasses.
Yeah, and I don't identifymyself as a federal agent.
Let's move on.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah because we're trying really hard to dissociate
.
But it's hard out here, butlet's try.
First of all, you candissociate right now and do a
good thing by giving us afive-star review for showing up.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Thanks.
Thank you in advance for thatfive-star review.
I appreciate it so much.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
We have some groans from the horde before we dive
into our existential discussion,though.
Oh, isn't that nice.
We've got a groaning horde soyou know how, when you forget
your aunt's birthday, you haveto send them a belated birthday
card.
Yeah, but you still love youraunt sometimes.
Well, two of our wonderful zombesties, ollie eats brain and
megan, forgot to send us theirmessages on time.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh for our 100th episode yeah, we did call out
Ollie which was two episodes ago, but in reality a week you know
, podcast time is confusing.
We were in a relative time ofpeace back then, Were we?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I guess, compared to now the ball, the, the, uh,
what's the word I'm looking for?
The thing keeps moving.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, the goalpost.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
The 50-yard line.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, it just.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
The finish line, can it?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
get worse?
Yes, it can.
It keeps getting worse.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
It keeps getting worse, woo.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I was planning to talk this episode about how we
had 3.5% of the people at the noKings protesting that that was
good news.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
It still is.
That was a good time.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah .
This episode's already makingno sense.
Let's go into our groans fromthe horde.
Yeah, some nice messages fromOllie and Megan, which, by the
way, late is great.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Late is great.
I don't have anything else forthat.
I was going to make a funny andI didn't.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
So we have got a hundredth episode message from
Ollie Eats Brains.
Are you ready?
I'm ready, let's play it.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Hey there, Hi Ollie, I know I'm late, but I wanted to
send something in anyway.
Over the last few years, youtwo have become such a deep,
integral part of my life that Idon't even know if I can put
into words just how much youmean to me.
But I'm going to try.
So here's a quick little story,something very personal and
heartfelt.

(05:47):
Hello, this is oliver withneville valley's wzmv radio,
interrupting your broadcast tobring you an emergency alert
from the me Amiibo Valley PublicLibrary.
The Zombie Book Club podcasthas just announced their 100th

(06:09):
episode an amazing feat inpodcasting.
Congratulations to them and totheir dedication not only to
shining a light on indie authorsand the zombie genre, but also
to holding that genre tomeaningful standards of
representation.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I, for one, have thoroughly enjoyed their podcast
.
It's one of the very few thingsI actually have access to out
here.
They've become one of thestrongest friendships and two
very cherished individuals in mylife.
Thank you for existing and formaking me feel like I'm still
part of a group You've Hold on.
Sorry, this is not theemergency notice.

(06:44):
This is a flyer from lastweek's podcast.
All right, hold on one sec here.
Nope, here we go.
I found it.
A horde of fast-moving zombieshas been spotted just a few
miles south of the city and isen route.
Uh-oh, every citizen is advisedto go immediately to their
shelters until the all clearsirens have sound.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, I probably should have read that one first.
Well, let's just pop the windowopen and see how things are
going.
Wow, these windows are reallywell insulated.
Great craftsmanship.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
We need windows like that Well.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Anyway, congratulations, Dan and Leah.
That is an amazing milestone toreach 100 episodes, and I'm so
glad that I've gotten to be apart of this and really watch
you guys take off.
And now I release you back toyour regular scheduled broadcast
.
It's just amazing everythingthat you've done and I thank you
from the bottom of my heart.

(07:48):
I'm sorry I got so emotional.
Thank you and congratulations.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Goodbye you know I always I'm sad that we are
frequently on opposite sides ofthis country, but hearing the
zombies outside your window atthe uh WZMB dead radio location,
I'm kind of grateful right now.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, it did not sound like a good time.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Um, oh boy, yeah, I hope everything's, okay.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, I hope you're okay.
Now I understand why you're solate.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, you know, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, you're so late.
Yeah, you know there's a lotgoing on, yeah, but uh, you know
we love you and for everyonehere, if you have not yet
listened to the podcast there'sonly a few episodes you should
go listen to wzmb dead air radioby oliver gray.
It's on everywhere you can findpodcasts.
There's only a few episodes.
Listen, laugh, love and then gopressure all over to make more
because they're fantastic, yeahyeah, put the pressure on.

(08:48):
There needs to be more episodesyeah, I feel really grateful
that we're now part of the mevalvalley universe officially.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, I'm not surprised that, um, we're the
only podcast or only thing thatollie has uh access to out there
, because we are on everyplatform.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's true, you know, I just hope that this virus is
slow spreading, but they arefast moving, so that doesn't
make me hopeful it didn't soundvery hopeful.
No, no, but thank you.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
We'll have to keep an ear out.
Yes, Hopefully Ollie will havemore reports about that.
That'll be helpful in thefuture.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, let us know if it's reached Missouri yet.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
And if we should be worried.
Our other awesome ZomBestie whois fashionably late is Megan
Megan.
Megan starts her message bysaying okay, yes, I am
excruciatingly late, but maybefashionably.
So, yes, megan, you are alwaysfashionable.
Is that a thing I can claim?
I maybe fashionably so.
Yes, megan, you are alwaysfashionable.
Is that a thing I can claim?
I did it for you.
So, yes, I feel like I'm.
I am reading your letter andthen responding to you like we

(09:51):
are the same, two differentpeople, but in my head, which is
now getting weird.
Okay, continuing.
Megan says I literally had thistyped up in my phone but
totally forgot to send itbecause dot, dot, dot life.
Also, you had to know I was notgoing to leave a voicemail, I'd
rather face zombies whileworking a 40-hour work week.
Oh, that's rough, that is yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
But I understand.
Yeah, I also hate leavingvoicemails.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, many people at Living Dead Weekend felt that
way, I think too.
When we asked them to be on thepodcast.
They're like that's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Absolutely not.
You know, when I'm at work andmy truck is on fire and I call
my boss to let him know that thetruck's on fire and he doesn't
pick up and it goes to voicemail, I'm like he'll probably call
me back and then I hang up well,we keep interrupting megan.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Megan says and finally, you don't have to read
any of this in the podcast.
Too bad, megan we are.
I just figured I would share,because it's always worth giving
two of your favorite podcastersthe compliments and
encouragements they deserve.
It does help, it does.
Thank you.
We basically do this for thecompliments.
Yeah, that's what we're herefor.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
The affirmation is what we're after.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Favorite things about the podcast, in no particular
order.
When you called out your firstfew listeners in one of the
early episodes and ask why we'reeven listening to your podcast
I mean really, who starts apodcast and then asks everyone
but why are you listening andwhat's wrong with you?
Did we do that?
I forgot I guess we did.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It does sound on brand, it does.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Number two I love the Prepping for Apocalypse
episodes like the survival lists.
Who remembers the $100challenge that?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
was a favorite.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I want to do another episode like that we
should do an updated one and theforaging slash vegan episode.
Thank you for the shout outthat one's controversial.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Unsurprisingly, some people did not agree with us.
Some people did not like it andthey're wrong.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Fight me.
Number three Evil Magic.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Chicken.
Zombie oh yeah, of course.
I mean, who knew that Evil,magic, chicken Zombie was going
to become what it became?
Yeah, there's a song.
There's a movie trailer.
There's a t-shirt.
There's a t-shirt.
On our link tree there's asticker.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
There's not a sticker there is a sticker there is a
zombie sticker.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, there is oh yeah, there is.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
I forgot about that one.
It wasn't at Living DeadWeekend.
If you're curious, you shouldgo back and listen to the
ConPlan 888.
Four eights, conplan plus foureights yeah, don't know what
number it is.
Just put that in the search,you'll find it.
Number four from Megan ZombieWeen.
Can't wait for this year'sepisode.
No pressure, leah, but you setthe bar high.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, fuck, flack.
Yeah, it's true, I'm gonna haveto consult with some folks at
what to do this year.
Yeah, is this year's zombieween going to?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
have like 30 people in it.
It can't.
I don't know what we're gonnado, but I do have breaking news
for you, megan you don't have towait until zombie ween because
we are going to have the summerween showdown, which dan wants
to call the summer ween slam.
Let us know which one you thinkis better which is?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
is better Summerween Showdown or Summerween Slam?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well, you said, one of them way more cool than the
other.
Summerween Slam.
Summerween Showdown this Sunday.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Sunday.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Lori Calcaterra of Path of Pale Rider and Brandon
Starocki of Avalon Comic Seriesfame, are going to be showing
down for Lori's's crown actuallyfrom the 2023 zombie win game
show, and that will be happeningin august.
Stay tuned for more detailsyeah, uh, how are how's?

Speaker 1 (13:14):
how's that gonna work ?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
we're figuring it out .
Yeah, it's separate from fromzombie ween and also like are
you worried about?
About Lori losing her crown.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
About Lori hurting Brandon.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I mean.
Thankfully it's virtual, so theknives can only reach so far.
Well, we'll see, I guess.
Okay, last but not least, megansays number five.
One of the best things of thepodcast, though, turned out to
be, unexpectedly, findingcommunity when I live is very
isolated politically especially,and looking at the zombie genre
, you see lots of things liketoxic masculinity, a lack of

(13:50):
lgbtq plus characters and somany harmful stereotypes, which
I already get enough of anddon't want to participate in.
This podcast helped me not onlyfind books that better reflect
myself, but also connected me toother wonderful, like-minded
people.
Thank you both for hosting suchan amazing podcast, and here's
to dot, dot, dot.
However many episodes you wantto produce or the zombie

(14:11):
apocalypse comes, whichever isfirst, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
You know, we've met a lot of people, especially
lately, who are zombieapocalypse fans and don't fit
those criteria of, like, toxicmasculinity and you know, uh,
close mindedness and like allthe, all the things that people
normally associate with thegenre.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
And um, and you know we exist and people, especially,
I think, especially people likeus, who are like-minded in this
way.
We're really hungry for thatconnection because we're not
seeing it portrayed.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I agree, but I think it's time I take the genre back,
Now that I am a newly mintedhuge George A Romero superfan.
The origins of the genre areabsolutely in line with the
values of our podcast and thevalues of our community.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, in line with the values of our podcast and
the values of our community.
Yeah, I mean, all this entiretime.
I'm just like, if you don'tthink that the zombie apocalypse
genre was has a politicalstatement, then you just weren't
paying attention.
Yeah, that's how it startedyeah it.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Uh, romero's work is feminist, it's anti-racist, um,
it's pro-immigrant, it isdefinitely doesn't mind
socialism.
It critiques capitalism,obviously, and donald the dead
and so forth.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, so I think it's time we take the genre back
yeah and uh, get out in thestreets and take, take it back.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
More importantly, megan, I really do consider you
a friend.
I know that that's kind of wildthat we are.
What do we call?
What do they call that parrotparis?
Parasocial yeah, maybe we'llnever meet in real life, but you
are someone that I um reallyappreciate in my community now,
and I'm glad that it can be alittle bit less isolating.
Having lived in the south, Ihave a sense of what you mean

(15:59):
and, uh, just know, vermont isalways available.
I know you hate winter.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
But you know what, when you're not surrounded by
Trump flags all the time, winterfeels actually pretty
refreshing the cold air on yourface, it can be nice.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
And also a lot of people with Trump flags that
were around here have taken themdown, oh yeah, which I think is
quite interesting and hopefullymeans something good for the
rest of us.
But my point is is just thankyou so much for the message and
thank you for being a reallyintegral part of our community.
In fact, you are a frequentflyer of the watch parties that
Ollie Eats Brains hosts that wealso go to, and I have a lot of

(16:39):
fun making fun of movies likeZoombies and Zoombies 2 with you
.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
So we're going gonna move on to that.
Yeah, um, we recorded a littlebit of a prediction segment, yes
, uh, before we watched 28 yearslater, so we're not going to
spoil anything about 28 yearslater.
In fact, we're gonna not reallytalk about it a whole lot
because it's it out, and youdeserve to experience it
yourself.
Yeah, the only thing that I'mgoing to say is that it is not

(17:11):
what you think it is.
Nope, if you saw the trailersand you're like, oh okay, this
looks fun, I think I know what'sgoing on here.
No, you're wrong, they misledyou.
They did it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I will say the biggest or the not biggest.
The closest metaphor I canthink of, for this just came to
me today, 24 hours later afterwatching it.
It's like when somebody doeslike a blindfolded food test
with you, like taste test, andthey tell you that you're about
to eat an olive, but what youget is a grape.
Now, in this scenario, I loveboth those things, they're both

(17:45):
great, but I thought I wasgetting an olive, so I you get
is a grape.
Now, in this scenario, I loveboth those things, they're both
great, but I thought I wasgetting an olive, so I was like
what?
The?
Is this sweet thing in my mouth?
Oh, it's a grape.
Okay, I still like this.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
That was my experience of 28 years later in
a nutshell so we're gonna playthis uh that we recorded before,
um and uh, let's see how manyof our predictions came true so
we just watched 28 weeks laterand we're not going to talk
about it yeah, this episodeisn't about that.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
No, but we did need to watch it and we're prepared
for 28 years later which we'regoing to watch later.
Yes, and we wanted to take aminute to give uh, all of you
are as cold and unprepared aspossible predictions what we
think is going to happen in 28years later and see how right or
wrong we are.
Yeah, I have so far managed tonot see any spoilers, except for

(18:32):
chris whitmer telling us it wasamazing that is a huge spoiler
it is.
Thanks, chris.
Now my expectations are high,yeah, which could impact how I
feel about it yeah, you shouldhave told us it was terrible or
just nothing.
Yeah, um unforgivable that youtold us it was a good movie,
even though we're gonna telleverybody how we feel about it

(18:52):
yeah, I mean, I, I think.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I think the biggest thing that I'll be disappointed
by is if it has bad writing,because alex garland, who's the
writer of 28 days later andmovies like civil war, is an
excellent writer, and that's thereason why 28 Days Later and
movies like Civil War is anexcellent writer, and that's the
reason why 28 Days Later wasexcellent.
And Danny Boyle is an excellentfilmmaker, which is another

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reason why 28 Days Later wasexcellent and 28 Weeks Later
people had problems with Ithought it was good.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I liked it.
Yeah, yeah, I thought it wasgood, I liked it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah.
I don't hate on 28 Weeks Later,do I think it's like the DVD
box cover claims better than theoriginal?
No, no, absolutely not,definitively no, but still great
.
But you definitely see adifference, especially knowing

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that the first part of 28 weekslater is was written and
directed by Danny Boyle and AlexGarland, and the rest of the
movie wasn't interesting.
You can definitely see thatdifference because the the intro
to 28 weeks later is excellent.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
And what about 28 years later?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
And 28 years later, I hope is just as excellent.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's written by the same two people here's my first
prediction.
It will be just as excellent asthe intro to 28 weeks later
maybe better, according to ourone spoiler from chris, yeah, uh
, what would be unforgivable toyou if it happens?

Speaker 1 (20:17):
oh boy, um just big gaping plot holes, uh things um
plot happening only becausepeople make stupid decisions.
Um, I I'm really tired of ofstories being driven forward
only because somebody makes ahorrible, stupid mistake that
nobody in the world would make.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But isn't it part of horror like being able to judge
people for fucking everything upand dying?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
yeah, and I mean there's a difference between
just you have a character that'skind of dumb and make some
mistakes, versus the only wayyou can get past a point in the
story is if somebody goes offand does the stupidest possible
thing you can imagine there.
And if they didn't do that, youwouldn't have a story.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I don't have beef with what happened in 28 weeks
later, like you did, which iswhat you're talking around, with
what happened in 28 weeks later, like you did, which is what
you're talking around, and I'mtrying not to talk about 28
weeks later right now, but Idon't agree.
I'll just say that.
So predictions, um, do youthink the 20 iphone filming
setup is going to be successful?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
yeah, I think so I.
How do you?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
think they're going to use phones?
Do you think it's going to belike a selfie kind of view
situation?
Or do you think we won't evenknow that it's iphones?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
well, I think, I think.
Well, I've.
I've seen some of the like the,the rig setup, so like when
you're making a movie witheither.
I mean, back in the earlyyoutube days, we used dslr
cameras, like photographycameras, um, and we would make
all kinds of like rigs and stuffout of pvc pipe to hold lights

(21:44):
and microphones and stuff.
I think we're gonna have asimilar.
They have a similar uh setupwhere it's like there's, there's
probably a rig that has like agyroscopic stabilizer, um lights
, uh.
They probably have mountedreally expensive glass optics in
front of the iPhone lens sothat you get better, clearer

(22:09):
image and zoom capability.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
So we are not going to be having a Blair Witch
Project kind of vibe, accordingto you.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Oh no, I don't think it's going to be a found footage
movie.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean that would make sense.
Next question Will anybody withtwo eyes of the same color be
alive as a human?

Speaker 1 (22:27):
yeah, I think that's something to look out for.
Um, they established that in 28weeks later that people with
heterochromia um, uh, have animmunity to the virus.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I think they're going to continue that into the story
my childhood best friend's momhad hetero has I hope she's
still alive has heterochromiaand I thought it was the most
beautiful thing in the world.
She had blue eyes and then,well, that both eyes were blue,
but then half of one of her eyeswas brown super cool, um, I'm
hoping that if you're born withtwo eyes of the same color, that

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that's like really bad news insome way oh, I was thinking like
maybe it's really good news no,it's like people are like
you're fucked.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, either can you even survive.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, either people worship you or um, they think
you're a witch or they justsacrifice you to the zombies
yeah, 300 style, they throw youoff a cliff yeah, it's like
there's no point even tryingbecause I'm gonna like I mean,
actually I don't even knowthey'd be able to survive,
because they get infected inutero.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Oh well, if they're maybe they're always stillborn.
I mean they only carry thevirus if they get bitten.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
OK will the In the House song be in the movie?
I think so.
So you think it's not just theBoots song.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, the Boots, the Boots song.
They used in all of thetrailers.
So I I don't know if that'll bein the movie, but it's
definitely what they've used inabsolutely every single trailer,
so it has to be in the movie ithas.
It has some some significance.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Do you remember the significance of that song?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Um, I, I remember looking it up and it's a, it's a
poem, um, about, I want to say,world war one.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
No, I think it's about a war, the Boer War.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Okay, I'm not familiar with that war.
It was a they were talkingabout like the endlessness of
war and it's all about like thecadence of marching in this
hopeless, endless war.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, it's a poem.
Boots by Rudyard Kipling.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, the Jungle, book.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
An English author from 1865 to Endless War.
Yeah, it's a poem.
Boots by Rudyard Kipling.
Yeah, the Jungle Book, anEnglish author from 1865 to 1936
, I'm just reading reallyquickly about British Army
infantrymen marching in SouthAfrica during the Second Boer
War.
So I was not 100% right, butI'm really impressed with my
memory right now everybody, atleast I didn't say World War II.
Yeah Well, it is about thefutility right of this endless
march, and so I do wonder isthere going to be war between

(24:48):
factions?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Futile war.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, a futile war, yeah, a war between factions,
but also just the living versusthe infected, is also just this
endless war.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, maybe it's sort of the pointlessness of trying
to survive in a world of the therage virus.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
yeah, that's dark yeah, um, something that we saw
in the first movie was the factthat all of the people who were
infected eventually died ofstarvation.
And I had a thought when wewere watching 28 weeks later,
because one of the things that alot of people had a problem
with is, uh, the, the, the dadcharacter I forget his name, don

(25:28):
um.
Don gets infected, but he seemsto be like running around, like
he shows up and like it looksmenacing at his kids but then
disappears in the next scene,like, almost like he's stalking
them, yeah, hunting them,instead of like the, the
mindless rage virus zombie thatthe rest of them are, and I

(25:49):
wonder if that is either aproduct of bad writing or if
they intend to continue that onin this one, where it's 28 years
later.
They should have starved todeath, and maybe the smarter
ones that learned how to huntand survive are the ones that
are still around.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
They're coming after your babies with two blue eyes
or two brown eyes.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it kind of makes sensebecause he gets infected by a
carrier which would be differentthan being infected from
someone else.
Maybe that's the evolution ofthe virus in some way.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, it could have mutated.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
And then we know that France gets infected because of
another carrier.
Yeah, I mean, that virus wasinside of a person that didn't
turn into a zombie.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, for six or seven months and then kid andy
goes to france.
Yeah, why are all the?
You know I'm really mad atdaryl dixon for going to france.
I'm still upset about that.
That's a sidebar, daryl dixonfor going to France.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I'm still upset about that.
That's a sidebar.
Daryl Dixon probably went toFrance because 28 weeks later
went to France and they werelike that would have been a cool
idea.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, we'll see who does it better, and it better be
28 years later.
Yeah, speaking of otherpredictions, I think that
there's a possibility of Dannycould still be alive and a main
character, danny the kid, butnow an adult.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I thought his name was something else.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Andy.
Sorry, andy, danny, it's almostthe same thing.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
It's the same.
Andy and Danny are the samename.
What is it?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
called when you can make a word out of other words.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I don't know Andy and Danny are one of those, except
for it would be Dane andwhatever.
You know I see where you'regoing, yeah that's a possibility
.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, um, uh, yeah, we could see that character come
back as an adult.
Um, I do know that.
Uh, oh, I think her name isjulie.
Comer is one of the characterswho are going to be in the movie
, and while we were watching, 28weeks later, I'm like what if
the sister also survives?
And she's Jodie Comer?

(27:45):
She was in a show that wewatched that turned out kind of
good and then turned really bad.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Oh, I don't remember.
Oh, was she the main assassin?
Yeah, this is going to make solittle sense to anybody
listening to us.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, and then in like season, four or five or
three she starts hallucinatingthat she's Jesus with this glue
on beard, and then she crucifiesherself.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, actually, I'd love to see her in a different
role because she's a great actor.
Yeah, so Selena could come back.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Selena could be coming back.
It's possible.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Tammy and his sister could come back.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Tammy.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Helicopter pilot guy.
Yeah, helicopter pilot guy whohelps them escape and spreads
the virus to france could comeback yeah uh, I forget what the
girl from the first movie is,the young one whose dad gets I
forget her name too killed.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Um, she could come back and of course, everyone
wants to know if killian murphyis there yeah, that's been the
subject of a lot of debatebecause, um, my understanding is
that he's not going to comeback in the first movie, but
there's going to be three movies.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, I wish we'd created some sort of segment
that was like breaking news.
We did not hear back fromGerard's dad's dog about whether
Killian Murphy was 28 yearslater.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
It's not too late.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I mean it's getting close.
We've got three hours till wewatch the movie Get Gerard on
the horn.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
We got to know.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
The other thing is, I think that the survivors I mean
what we see is they've got bowsand arrows, so I'm assuming
that we are not living withmodern technology 28 years later
.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, but we also see modernized soldiers in other
scenes.
So my prediction is that thereare places that are thriving um,
probably the united states orcanada.
Maybe canada is now thesuperpower of the world
hilarious.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Everybody says a now yeah and sorry, and they messed
up everyone's bacon I'm justglaring at Dan across the what
is this thing called A table?
Now, retrieval is hard for mesometimes.
If you don't know, you shouldknow that what's called Canadian
bacon in America is notCanadian bacon.

(29:53):
Canadian bacon is called femalebacon and it has like corn
coating, like a crushed up corncoating around basically pork.
Used to love it.
Now the thought of it kind ofmakes me feel gross.
Yeah, but the little little hamslices people get here in the
united states to call canadianbacon.
It's offensive.

(30:13):
I'm offended by it.
It's not.
It's not canadian bacon.
But we digress any otherpredictions before we go watch
this thing I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
The only other prediction that I have is that
it will either be horrible and ahuge disappointment, or it will
be the best thing we've everseen.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
I mean according to Chris Whitmer.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, I mean Chris might be trying to mislead us.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Do you think so?
I don't think so I'm going tojust read what he wrote as our
little bit of a preview, beforewe come back and tell you all
what we think, which thisepisode will be spoiler free.
Since we haven't said that yet,chris says, I will say I could
talk for hours about theinfected and the world building.
After y'all see it, there is areal morality discussion about
the infected to be had.

(30:57):
Now they're dot dot dotdifferent, so there's something
there maybe about the evolvedzombie.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, I mean, I like the idea of a zombie being the
next evolution of our species,even if it is temporarily a
devolution.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Like the girl with all the gifts.
Yeah Well, it's only seen as adevolution if you're the prey
now.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
It's true, yeah, well , I mean, in most, most stories,
zombies typically are fallingapart, um, dead, uh, not in the,
not in their best forms, butlike maybe, maybe something.
Maybe something evolves afterthat point, like a like it
mutates a little bit.
People, uh, you know, they copewith being dead and they become

(31:44):
something a little bit better.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I mean, the girl with all the gifts had that same
sort of premise.
So we'll see.
I also really hoping no animalsare harmed in this movie.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, only humans.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, and harm the humans, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
That's what we came to see.
Yeah, I came to see the humans.
I think so.
My my final yeah, I came to seethe humans.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
My final prediction is I think somebody will get
their eyes gouged out.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's one of my like no go list things.
I don't like watching eyesgetting gouged out.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Also yeah, somebody is going to get their guts
spilled, probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'll just turn away and you can tell me when it's
done.
My last prediction is that weare going to be one of maybe
five people in this cinema whilewe're watching it.
I, maybe five people in thiscinema while we're watching it.
I think it's going to be really, really quiet, which is so lame
, but I'm pretty sure that's thecase.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
But what at?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
least when I booked the seats what if there was
nobody else?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
What if the one of the other people is loudly
laughing at every scene that'sinappropriate to laugh at and
smoking a very large cigar?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I'm going to ask them what they're having and if I
can have some.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
They don't want to share.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh Well, I mean, it's your job to clean it up, dan,
they're the dead weight.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
All right, well, I'll take them out back and shoot
them then.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Perfect Quinn would be proud.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
See, this is what I'm here for.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
All right, we'll be back.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
We'll be back With thoughts yeah right, we'll be
back.
We'll be back with thoughts.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, is zoombees 2 better or worse than 28 years
later zoombees 2 we watched?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
zoombees 2 last night .
We're gonna talk about that.
We're gonna that's how we'renot going to spoil 28 years
later is we're going to tell youhow much better than zoombees 2
it is I mean you're saying ifit is?
If it is, is we'll find out.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's a big F.
I'm going to come back and belike Zumbies 2 is better.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
How many giraffes do you think, 28 Years Later, has
Zero?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Oh, I think you're wrong, but how many carousels, I
think there's going to begiraffes.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
What if there's the carousel horse?

Speaker 2 (33:39):
with the Z on it again.
Oh, we got to of the samelocations.
Yeah, that would be fun.
All right, we want to go watchit, so we're going to be back
everybody.
Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye,bye-bye, bye.
It is time.
Now that you've all heard ourpredictions, you can evaluate.
Well, we can't really tell youwhat we're wrong about, because
that'll spoil it.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
We're wrong about everything.
We're wrong about a lot.
Not a single prediction wasright.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Dan claims that there were some that were right,
though I don't remember.
Okay, we're going to watch itagain.
This is definitely a movie thatI'm going to want to watch
multiple times.
Yeah, movie that I'm gonna wantto watch multiple times yeah,
but this is the moment you'veall been waiting for the
existential question of ourtimes, the most important one
zoom bees 2 versus 28 yearslater yeah, first of all, they

(34:23):
both have a 2 somewhere in theirtitles.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's true.
Yeah, so we're off to a goodstart, yeah they're both sequels
yeah um, one of them took 20years to make.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Well, I guess it didn't take 20 years, but it was
20 years after.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
We don't know how long it took them to make zoom
bees too.
That's true.
We didn't check the wikipedia.
I doubt it's been 20 years thatthis might have been a passion
project.
We don't know, maybe they would.
It could have been like theperson that wrote this was like
I saw Jurassic Park as a kid.
I started writing Zoombies 1and Zoombies 2 in the second

(34:58):
grade and I'm finally here.
Guys, I did it.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
So, Dan, because we live in a capitalist hellscape,
we're going to make it acompetition.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Okay yeah, competition makes everything
better.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yes, we have 10 points that Zoombies 2 could get
, or 28 years later could getOne point per category that
we're going to compare them onAgain, no spoilers Maybe for
Zombies 2, but definitely notfor 28 years later.
That's what I would say aboutit.
But first we're going to startwith quick summaries.
Zombies 2 is when a game rangerand a team of poachers end up

(35:34):
surrounded by zombie animals andthey forge an alliance to stop
the beasts before the superzombie virus spreads to the
entire world yeah, the one thatthey, that the, the poachers
released on the zombiesintentionally.
Yeah, they're gonna stop clearwhy I think unclear just because
they're bad because they're badBecause they were bad guys yeah

(35:54):
.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
That's my take.
28 years later.
Well, if you saw 28 days later,it's 28 years after that and
it's you know, like in thetrailers.
There's a small island involved.
A group leaves the island we'renot going to say why and they

(36:18):
discover secrets and wonders andhorrors.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
This is the IMDB, this is an IMDB quote that have
quote mutated not only theinfected, but other survivors.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, that might be a spoiler.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Is it?
I mean it's on the IMDB.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Well, IMDb is dumb.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Let's get into this Rumble Showdown moment between
these two equally competitivezombie movies.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, all right, number one, let's talk about
cinematography.
All right, who's?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
going to get the point which one is better
cinematography.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
So, of the two movies , one of them was shot on a cell
phone, many 20 cell phones.
Well, many yeah, butspecifically the camera of
choice was a cell phone.
I don't know about the otherone, but the one that was shot
on a cell phone was 28 yearslater and it was excellent.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
It was excellent, it was excellent.
It looked fantastic.
Yeah, would never have known.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, the cinematography was top notch.
We had like bullet time effects, lots of great visual effects,
the depth of color and the shotswere all perfect.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Very immersive.
Never a moment where I thoughtlike that's kind of weird.
Fully in it.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
What about Zoomumbies ?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
2?
Zumbies 2, I'll give it creditthat it looked better than
Zumbies 1.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
There was an improvement, possibly a slightly
bigger budget, but we don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, we don't know anything about that.
The thing that wasn't betterthan Zumbies 1 was like the 3D
effects on the animalsthemselves.
Somehow they got worse lookinggiraffes in this movie.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Special effects is technically our second category,
Dan Okay, so just purecinematography.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
You know what it looked like a movie.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, there wasn't anything glaring.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, it's not better than 28 Years Later.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
So it does not win the cinematography.
So 28 Years later gets onepoint yeah, 28 years later might
win this one.
It's, it's out, it's out infront I think it's gonna be
close we'll see, okay, specialeffects and gore.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
This is number two uh , the best part of 28 years
later.
Special effects were the bigswinging dicks there were huge,
huge swinging dicks not as bigas the uh penis plushies that
were for sale at living deadweekend not quite, but still
impressive and I really don'tbelieve those were anybody's

(38:47):
actual peen at least one of themwas not a real peen.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I think that there were some real swinging dicks in
some of those shots, for sure,but there was definitely one
that's like.
This is a prosthetic, right?
Please tell me it's aprosthetic.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
The makeup for the zombies top notch.
Oh yeah, really upsetting.
Yes, very disturbing,Incredible kill scenes.
My favorite part this is how Iknow I've changed as a person
Thanks to this podcast and howmuch zombie stuff I watch now.
I loved it.
It was my favorite part of themovie was all of the gore.
What has happened to me?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I loved.
I mentioned there was somebullet time effects.
I really loved the bloodsplatter effects Like they
really got, like the, the, theparticleization of blood on the
on on bullet hits and arrow hits.
Probably probably unrealisticfor an arrow to cause that much
of a plume of vaporized bloodescaping from the back of

(39:49):
somebody's skull.
But it was cool and I liked itMe too.
So I'm I'm not going to takeoff any points for that, because
it made me feel good.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Also very original zombie visuals, which we'll get
into in a little bit, butthey're like in terms of zombie
innovation, but the way theylook is different and there's
more than one kind and there'snot a moment in this movie where
I don't believe what'shappening.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think most, if not all, ofthe visual effects in 28 Years
Later is practical.
Maybe some exceptions, but veryminor and you cannot tell.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, whoever were the special effects artists I
don't know they're pretty cool.
While I was watching, I wasactually thinking about Living
Dead Weekend and wondering likewhy isn't there an equivalent in
the UK for this movie series?
I think that there should be.
I would absolutely fly acrossthe pond.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, to go to like the 28 Days con.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yes, I mean then maybe there is, we don't know.
We should find out.
If there isn't to be one, yeah,and Gerard can we stay at your
house.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
No, we want to stay at your dad's house and hang out
with your dad's dog.
Yeah, that's so creepy.
Maybe Gerard's dad's dog canget us some special passes for
28 Days Con.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
I mean, I would assume that Gerard also would
want to go to 28 Days Con withus.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, but you know what that's up to Gerard's dad's
dog.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, we can have a meetup with all of our UK
besties.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, there's a few.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, elm Juniper could come from Sweden.
Yeah, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, elm Juniper's book is from the UK, so that
counts.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
It does.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Darren and Michael from Undead Symphony Greg the
Writer, jack Callahan, even JackCallahan.
Yes, will we bring you a can ofbeans?
Naila can come down fromScotland.
That would be so great, yeah,okay.
Well, that's a dream, let'smake that happen.
Total sidebar, zoombies 2,special effects and gore.
Totally different world.

(41:51):
I laughed a lot.
Yeah there was some very funnykill scenes, some very fun gore,
so I will give them that it wasfun the special effects, the
practical special effects werethe best ones they all.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
They always are, especially when it's a small
budget, like zombies.
I mean again, I don't know whattheir budget actually was I
don't think it was 28 yearslater.
There are three 3D effects inone, and two were pretty
terrible.
There's one specifically zombiehippopotamus, hippopotamus and,
like the water simulationeffects and the hippopotamus

(42:29):
thrashing in the water, it waslike it looked like it was
straight out of a PlayStationtwo.
It was bad.
Yeah, it was.
It was like that straight outof playstation 2.
It was bad.
Yeah, it was.
It was like that.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
You should have just not done it, just not the one
thing I will say, though, isthat I thought that the
hippopotamus was larger thanthey actually are in real life,
but oliver schooled us all, Iguess not you.
You knew this I knew it was apicture of the ratio between
human to hippopotamus and Ididn't realize they were huge,
like Like huge, huge hip-hophippopotamus, huge, scary.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, they're massive .
Yeah, they're like a dump truckthat's ready to eat you.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Not a spoiler.
There's a meerkat that comesout from somebody's stomach
through their head.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, I'm going to take off points, because they
did the same thing with a monkeyin the first movie.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
That's true, but maybe it was like a what's the
word?
A callback.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
It is a callback.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Also it was funny, though they did make a joke
about somebody actually used theword zombies in the movie,
about what was happening.
So special effects, the CG wasterrible.
The practical ones were whatthey were intended to be.
It's a totally different kindof movie, so I feel like this

(43:40):
one's a lot closer, for thosereasons, to me.
Who would you give a point to,28 years later, trying to
pretend that there's any chancefor zombies due here?
You never know.
You know, 28 years later, theunderdog is showing up, this is
coming out swinging maybe thisis the one that zombies 2 will

(44:02):
get zombie innovation, new takeson the genre.
What's better giraffe zombiesor fast virus zombies and other
zombies we can't talk aboutbecause it would spoil them yeah
, you know what?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
know?
This might be a place wherezombies might actually win,
because they've got a zoo ofzombies.
Animal zombies is not commonlydone.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
That somehow don't spread to people.
That's different, yeah, butit's not believable.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's not believable at all.
Any part of it is notbelievable.
It's not believable at all.
Any part of it is notbelievable.
Yeah, and I'm going to ignorethat there's a Zoombies one,
because they're in the samefranchise.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, well, so is the Rage Virus from the first two
movies, right?

Speaker 1 (44:47):
So they're exactly as derivative of their originals,
so they're equal.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Well, actually I would say that that's not true.
I think there's a clearevolution in 28 years later.
That is really interesting.
Yeah, uh, in zombies 2 we kindof get a sense of like where it
starts.
Yeah, which, because zombies 2,even though it's 2, is sort of
like the prequel for zombies 1yeah, we find that out at the
origin, that is.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
That is a big spoiler , if you care about zombies yeah
side, completely unclear whereit's happening.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Zombies too, yeah.
Is it in America?
Is it in Australia?
Is it in Africa?
The whole continent?
Is it on a different planet, isit?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
All we know is that some of the people are
Australian but also wearAmerican flags on their army
uniforms.
Yeah, and there's one personthat maybe has sort of an
Afrikaans accent but unclear.
The subtitle said Australianaccent.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
They did not sound Australian to me, but we'll get
in there.
That's our next category ofacting quality Zombie innovation
.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I think I'm going to say 28 years later.
Yeah, I agree, because this isnot only the innovation of the
original 28 days later, whichwas like the first big
derivative of the zombieapocalypse genre, but it's also
innovation on that as well.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, I mean I think I would have liked some more
reverence for the early movies.
That's all I'll say.
But there were at least some ofthe evolutions that I really
liked.
There was one that I think wasreally good and fun for the
movie, but did stretch my beliefa little bit, and that's all
I'm going to say.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I wish I knew which one that was.
Is it the size of the spoilers?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
That was what did it for me, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
The big.
The dicks were too big, Allright.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
So 28 years later, it's currently three for zero.
Yeah, I feel like, 28 yearslater, winning.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Zoombies, zoombies, ities.
That one was a close one,though I feel like Zoombies is
actually very innovative in theShould we split it?
Should we give them each half apoint?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
A point each.
A point each.
So we've got two right now.
Wait no.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Three for 28 years later and one for Zoombies yeah,
I think that's fair Becausethey are both innovative and
it's in different ways.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Let's move on to number four acting quality.
All right, let's go withzombies too.
This time, okay, I mean thequote unquote Australian person
sounded like I thought maybethey were from South Africa, so
yeah, that wasn't good, but theywere camp actors.
I don't know how much more wecould expect from them.
I think they did a good jobwith the roles they were given

(47:39):
yeah, yeah, uh, look, it was badI don't think the actors were
bad, minus the like the actorscould have been better.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Okay, sure, there was definitely room for improvement
.
Sure, like, maybe, maybe youcan give them a few points here
and there because it's like,well, the director you know
could have directed you better,there could have been a better
budget, there could have beenbetter a coherent script yeah, a
coherent script.

(48:13):
But you know what if?
If you took brian cranston andyou put him in zoom bees too, he
would fucking kill it he wouldbe over there like I'm gonna
kill that fucking meerkat it'sokay, so this is a clear win.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Then, yeah, 28 gets it.
So we're at 28 for zoombies.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
2 1 yeah, yeah, we.
I mean, we don't even have tobring up the acting in 28 years
later, because it was allexcellent no, we do.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I have to talk about what a fan I am of jody comer.
Yeah, uh, that's the one thatwas in the assassination movie
that we mentioned in thepredictions that.
I still don't know the name ofit was a show.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
It was a show.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Was it with?
Let me look it up.
Yeah, I got to give them creditJodie Comer.
Jodie is an incredible actor,uh full completely different
roles in this movie versus thatshow, which was the first time
I'd ever seen her.
Uh, let me see.
Killing eve was the tv show ranfrom 2018 2022.
She was incredible in it.

(49:17):
She was the reason we watchedit for as long as we did,
because it did get shittier astime went on yeah, I mean it got
shittier even in the firstseason.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, um, because of the writing.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
The writing was awful , it was awful.
So this is an example.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Like in zoombies 2, she would have rocked it yeah,
put jody comer in zoombies 2,zoombies 3, zoombies 3.
It, yeah, put Jody Comer andzoom bees to zoom bees Three,
zoom bees Three and four.
Yeah, cause they.
I think there is a third onealready.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
It might be too late.
Aquarium of the dead orsomething.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Uh, yeah, I we got Brian Cranston, we we get, um uh
, killian Murphy Comer forZoombies 4 and we might have a
watchable movie.
Honestly, I think it would be ablockbuster yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Give them some more budget for the CG yeah, and also
an intelligible script.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, you know what Hire some of the kids from the
Savini Tom Savini school yeah.
Do it all practical effects,because it's a zombie movie.
You gotta do practical.
You can't do practical effectsbecause it's a zombie movie you
got to do practical.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
You can't do practical effects.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
When it's a hippopotamus or a giraffe, you
can't you just, you just get the, the trainers to make the
hip-hop.
Hippopotamus um, look like he'seating somebody what if they
did like animatronics animals?
that could have been fun youknow, I, I feel, I feel like
gandalf um could have, couldhave done this type of acting

(50:37):
with a hip-hop epitomist andforced perspective.
You'd believe that Gandalf Iforget the name of the actor now
it's always on the roof of mytongue, the roof of your tongue.
Yeah, it's on the roof of it,wow, but today I can't remember
it because I don't have enoughcaffeine, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Everybody knows who Gandalf is, especially Jack
Callahan.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Everybody knows Lord of the Rings yeah, bane.
My point is is that in the showKilling Eve, jodie Comer is an
assassin and she has to pretendto be many people, and every
single person she pretends to beto kill someone is believable,
yeah, and in 28 years later, uh,she's given a role that is, um,

(51:22):
a pretty classical role for awoman she's a mom.
Yeah, I'm not gonna tell youmore than that, but she murders
that role yeah, and like anassassin yeah, she assassinates
it.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
It's so good yeah and yeah, and you know, I was
worried at first.
I'm like, is she even going tobe in this movie?
And then we find out that she,yes, she is going to be in the
movie.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, she does play a primary role in a really great
way, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
And everybody else was fantastic as well.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
So acting quality, solidly, 28 years, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
So we years, absolutely.
So we're at five to one now.
Yeah, uh, oh boy, let's talkabout script and dialogue, do we
even?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I feel like I've already made this, this point,
yeah, I.
I think it's clear that 28years later wins this one.
What I will say and I know youdon't agree with me, dan I feel
like there's a part of the moviein 28 years later that feels a
little bit heavy handed.
Okay, yeah, I know what you'retalking about, but still far and
away better than.
Zoombies 2.
Yeah, and excellent, like it'sa very believable story.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, there was a scene very early in 28 years
later, that I'd known that thisscene was going to happen
because of the trailers and Ithought it was going to be a
much more tense scene.
And that's not to say that itwasn't tense, but I feel like it
moved along really fast and Iwanted to spend a little bit

(52:46):
more time there.
But again, I don't think it wasbad, I just think it was.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
I had expectations yeah, zombies 2 barely had a
plot I had no expectations forzombies, yeah, I mean it did
have a plot.
I knew the basics but it wasnot compelling and um no one was
like and the the dialogue.
I mean loki.
We we jokingly called him loki,but his name was logan in movie

(53:14):
.
He was kind of likable.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, a little bit For the little amount of time
that he was alive.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Well, that's a spoiler, dan.
We promise no spoilers.
We can't do that, but yeah, Ithink the script is better.
I think that's an okay thing tosay.
I think Danny Boyle and whoelse wrote it.
Oh my God, dan, dan, you shouldknow these things.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I I rely on you my brain is not working today okay,
I'm looking it up alex garlandyeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
We are so casual in our casual anyways, they clearly
are better writers, like.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
That's just not and I , you know, and I, it's such a
quick decision for me becausethe problem with zombies one and
two is the writing.
It is, yeah, it's, it's badwriting and then it's on, it's
it's upsetting.
You know, I know that thesemovies aren't made to be like
blockbuster hits, and that'sfine, but also, like I just, I

(54:17):
just think that you have to havea good foundation when you
decide to make a movie.
You have to.
Already you can read it, youcan read it with your eyeballs,
you can read the script and youcan say, hey guys, before we
spend a couple million dollarsmaking this shitty movie that

(54:38):
maybe nobody will want to watchbecause it's terrible, maybe
let's take another pass at thisscript and get rid of all of our
terrible plot holes.
Let's tighten up some of thedialogue, make it less cringy,
make it, make it so that whenpeople hear words coming out of
other people's mouths that theydon't immediately just want to

(54:59):
turn it off and walk out of theroom.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, there are smart B-movies.
That's what I'm looking for.
I want a B-movie that knows.
It's a B-movie which I thinkthey do.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Luckily they do.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
But it's just not zombie-verse level or sorry to
bring in a non-zombie reference,snakes on a Plane level.
Yeah, unfortunately, snakes ona Plane is my favorite B movie
of all time, I think, resistingthe urge to do the quote because
I know I won't do it.
Well, but you can just let'shave a moment of silence for
Samuel L Jackson's quote forSnakes on a Plane.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
And Sam Jackson we trust.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yes, you can even put it in there if you want.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
I won't Special effects it, no, dang.
No, it's a moment of silence,leah.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Because the script and dialogue are so bad in
Zumbies 2, should we take awaytheir point?

Speaker 1 (55:44):
We take away their point.
So now it's 6-0.
They're back to zero.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, I think that that's fair they lost a point
for how bad that is.
P, that is pacing and structure,all right, this one's probably
a little bit closer.
You think so?
I think so, I don't.
I was the only reason that zoombees 2 was worth watching to me
was to make fun of it with thepeople in the watch party.
Yeah, but it moved along.
Yeah, but I was looking at myphone.
I was doing other things.
I played a game of settlers ofkatan on my phone.

(56:10):
That's.
That's a you problem.
That is not a me problem.
We we have established on thispodcast that I don't need to
look at my phone if it's reallygood and well-paced and I would
never have picked up my phone.
I would never have picked up myphone in 28 years later.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
You were also in a movie theater.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
I wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
It's illegal to pick up your phone, is it?
It is, I can go to jail forthat.
You can be arrested, okay, bythe movie police.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I'm just saying I don't.
What about Zoombies 2?
Do you think gives it makes itdeserving of a point?

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I don't think it's deserving of a point, I just.
I'm just saying it's like Okay,this is, this is like the one
place where this movie actuallyknows how to be a movie is.
It moves forward.
Yeah, it moves forward withcompletely ridiculous things and
stupidity and plot holes, butit does move forward, you don't.

(57:04):
You don't sit too long on onescene and be like are they ever
gonna leave this fucking office,true?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
okay, are they?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
just gonna be a jeep all afternoon.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Sometimes I feel bad shitting on movies like Zumbies
2, because I'm like they do knowwhat it is.
And we need Zumbies 2 in theworld so that we can have watch
parties.
I think a watch party for 28years later, as the first time
you're watching a movie likethat, would be too much yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
If it's like the 10th time that you're watching, you
can sit around with your friendsand be like look at that guy's
dick yeah, your other people arequoting it as it's happening.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
That's fine, but we need the zombies too.
So I just can we give it apoint of love, just to say like
we need the zombies too in theworld in?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
in which category do they get a point for?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
never point of love never mind.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Is there another?
Is there another area for, oh,cultural legacy?
How about that?
No, okay, let's move on.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Okay, so seven to one .
Seven, 28 years later, allright, number seven character
development.
Do we care who lives or dies?

Speaker 1 (58:09):
In zombies?
No, I don't Actually.
I mean I do care becausesecretly I hope that all of them
die again.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I think that a dysfunction is for us to feel
guilt-free about watchingsomeone die with glee.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah, um, and 28 years later I I did care if they
lived or died.
There were so many times whereI was like these people are dead
, these people are dead, there'sno way out.
And there were times whenpeople died who I thought were
going to live and I was likewhoa, I thought that person was

(58:45):
going to be in the movie a lotlonger than they were saying and
here they are decapitated yeah,uh that's a spoiler.
That is a spoiler.
Um.
And then there was another timewhen somebody almost died and
then didn't, and then didn't.
And I'm like whoa, because Iwas like, oh no, they're killing
off this character.
That's, that person'sdefinitely dead.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
And then they weren't yeah, and I cared about all of
the characters, including someof the zombies yeah that's all
I'll say about that yeah I.
I cared about their well-being.
Um, I'm pausing because I knowthat everything else out that's
about to come in my mouth wouldbe a spoiler.
So I won't say it yeah uh, also, both movies had pregnant

(59:29):
people, as you indicated in yourintro yeah, it's true, there
were pregnant people in eachmovie.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Um who do we think?
Which movie do you think didpregnancy better?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I cared more about the pregnant person in 28 Years
Later by far.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah, I laughed more about the pregnant person in
Zoombies because we were joking,because the only indication
that we had that there were twocharacters that were a couple
was that they briefly held hands, and I joked that now she's
pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
That's grade school rules.
I mean, I really believe when Iwas in kindergarten that if I
got a kiss I would be pregnant.
Yeah, I was terrified.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
And then later in the movie, prompted by nothing, by
the way, she just comes up andshe's like I just found out I'm
pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Well, you have to have stakes right.
They're trying to make us careabout the pregnancy.
They're trying to make us careabout this future baby.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah, so going back to do we care who lives or dies?
They realized that all theircharacters could die and nobody
would care.
So they're like we have to makeone of them pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Yeah, we got gotta manipulate the audience because
these characters are unlikable.
I mean, I don't know if anybodyelse watching cared, but I
didn't care.
But in 20 years later Idefinitely cared and when you
watch it, come back to me so wecan talk about that in our dms
because there's so much therethat I can't say right now.
Also, I didn't expect that 28years later was going to make me

(01:00:52):
cry.
Yeah, um, one of the authorpeople in our circle are
cuthbertson, who's got a, who'sgot a book coming out this
summer called waves of theundead or waves of undead also
said it made her cry.
Um, I didn't cry a lot becauseI'm on prozac and I feel like
that stops me from cryingsometimes, but it did.

(01:01:14):
I felt things, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Yeah, I felt things as well.
It got watery.
Yeah, it was.
It was uh.
I wasn't expecting an emotionalmovie.
No, um, because 28 days later,I mean it had like emotional
beats.
There were moments that werevery upsetting in that movie,
but it wasn't about like anemotional journey.
Yeah, so solidly and 28 weekslater certainly wasn't an

(01:01:39):
emotional journey at all no, sowe're solidly at seven to one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, let's move on to social commentary.
I don't think we can talk aboutthe social commentary that
happens in 28 years laterwithout spoiling everything, but
I will say it made me havequestions, like chris whitmer
said, uh, in our discord that Ididn't expect to have ethical
questions, actual existentialquestions, not this existential

(01:02:04):
question in quotation marks,about which movie is better um
zombies one and two.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Absolutely no clarity on what they're trying to say
in that movie sometimes it'slike we should care about
animals and then other timesthey're like we need to kill all
the animals before they killeach other yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I think it was basically just like somebody
wanted to make zombie animals,and that was really the entire
depth of the story it could have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
It could have been like zombie safari.
It would have been the samemovie if they were just like.
We're a bunch of hunters outhere killing animals for no
reason.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Also, now they're zombies, so let's kill them
faster and harder I mean, Idefinitely found myself team
zumbi animal pretty much acrossthe board for both of those
movies, uh, but that was justbecause the people suck, not
because there's any kind of likecommentary or the the thing
about zion movies that makes melove them, which is social
commentary, something that makesyou think about the world that

(01:03:00):
you're in and what it means.
So solidly we are at eight toone.
We got two more categories, doyou think?
zoom bees can catch up no, weare at number nine
rewatchability.
Would you ever watch it again,alone or at a party?
I will.
Will never watch Zoombees 2again, never, never.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I might watch it like once.
Why, if somebody's like we'rehaving, if it's another watch
party and it's a different groupand they're like we're going to
watch this movie and peopletold us it was stupid and I'm
going to go there and I'm goingto bring my best jokes?
Okay, okay was stupid and I'mgonna go there and I'm gonna
bring my best jokes, okay, okay,I mean I guess I should never

(01:03:40):
say never, as they say yeah.
I'm like the scene where the,where the cool poacher guy is
riding away from the, the hordeof all of the zumbi animals
running after him while he'sriding a motorcycle, and he's
like, yeah, I'm getting, I'mbeing the hero.
That was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I don't even remember it.
That's how little I paidattention.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
It happened.
It's in the trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
You can watch the trailer and see that 28 years
later, I want to rewatch it likenow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I want to watch it 10 times.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
I agree because I think there's a lot more there,
yeah, and because I thought Iwas going to eat an olive but I
got a grape.
A large part of me watching itwas like what is that?
What?
Like my expectations were sosubverted.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Pulling a full circle to my subversive joke at the
beginning of this episode.
It is yeah when you name a joke, does it ruin it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
No, it makes it better.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Okay, it was so subversive that I need to, like
need to.
I need to see it again.
Now that I understand what itis in a film, I think it will
definitely be a classic.
Yeah, so nine to one.
We only have one more pointWatch this movie get terrible
reviews.

(01:04:49):
I'm not saying it's an out of 10movie.
I'm just saying it's betterthan zombies, too Absolutely
yeah.
The last one is cultural legacyagain, zombies, too, none, yeah
, 28 years later.
I think it has the potential,depending on how well people
felt about the fact that theyfound out they had a grape in
their mouth instead of an olive.
You know, when I first starteddrinking non-dairy milk versus

(01:05:12):
dairy milk or a non dairy cheeseversus dairy cheese, there was
the uncanny Valley where I waslike this doesn't taste like
what I expect and therefore it'snot very good.
And that's often not true.
It's just because I hadexpectations, and so I think the
biggest hurdle that this moviewill have is people accepting
that it's not what they thoughtit was going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Yeah, yeah.
The non-dairy milk is a perfectexample, because you know, when
you first start off you're likeit's white, but it's not right.
When you first start off,you're like it's it's, it's
white, but it's not right.
Um, but then you're like.
Then you try oat milk andyou're like this is way better.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah, but it takes you a minute to get there yeah,
it takes a while you don't justlike immediately be like I'm
gonna replace dairy milk withoat milk, and this is great.
There's a mourning period thathappens and nobody starts with
oat milk yeah, but in this casewe started with dairy milk the
28 days later, 28 weeks later,then we got oat milk, which I
agree is superior.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And they were like this is coconut milk, yeah.
And then we were like itdoesn't taste like coconut.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
No, they told us it's dairy.
It's like better believe it'snot butter, but it's not butter.
Yeah, it's 28 years later thisis really becoming unhinged.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I don, this is 28 years later.
This is really becomingunhinged.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I don't know what's I don't know what the comparison
is anymore.
I think people, people aregetting I've lost the plot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Well, I mean, we're maybe a zombies 2 level podcast
then you know the a greatexample is like when I, uh, when
I take a sip of a beverage andI'm like I'm like this is
definitely diet coke and I drinkwater and I'm like, ah, fucking
gross, what is this?
And I'm like, oh, it's water.
This is, yeah, this isdefinitely Diet Coke.
And I drink water and I'm like,ah, fucking gross, what is this
?
And I'm like, oh, it's water.
This is life-giving water.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
But this is the first in a series, so I think it's
created, it established itselfas something new and different.
It has a legacy, but I thinkthat they did that on purpose
and I'm very curious to seewhere it goes.
I think it's going to be great.
Do I think it's the best zombiemovie I've ever seen?
No, do I think it's better thanZoombies 2?
Yes.
So our final count is 10 to 1.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Or no, yeah 10 to 1, because they both got a point
for special effects, yeah, andthen Zoombies lost that point,
but then got it back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Oh yeah, I forgot, they lost the point.
They got the point back becauseI have a bad memory.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
They got the point back because of love.
Because it holds a special placein the kinds of movies that we
need in the world.
I thought, 28 Years Later, wasa fantastic zombie movie.
It's hard to pick one, it'shard to compare because it's
such a different movie.
And I guess if you're openingyour mouth and you're expecting

(01:07:49):
that olive and you get thatgrape, a perfect example is like
I liked Dawn of the Dead andI'm hoping it's like dawn of the
dead.
If you're expecting that, thenyou're like, you're gonna.
You're gonna be like what isthis round?
Not olive in my mouth yeah,that's a good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Another one.
That's a good example of that.
I do think that they arecomparable to greg.
Greg who's greg I meant to saygeorge.
George nouns are so hard greggreg, greg gregory romero.
I think I was putting togethergreg nicotero and george romero
in my head.
I think it's comparable interms of it being an important

(01:08:29):
franchise in the history ofzombie media.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
We have one more quick bonus quality, diverse
character representation oh, isthis where zombies is gonna come
, make a huge comeback andactually win this?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I mean, I don't know how, okay.
So race, racial diversity okay,how do we?
How do we score this?
Dan zoombees has one black man,one black woman.
Both are stereotypes and thereis a white savior.
Female lead and male lead yeah,white saviors across the board.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
yeah, I think even the bad guys were white saviors
across the board.
Yeah, I think even the bad guyswere white saviors.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
So there's, there's racial diversity, but it's badly
done, whereas 28 years later Ijust wrote in all caps so white
no excuse, britain is not whitepeople.
Yeah, uh.
93% of Scotland's population,though, is white, but that's 7%.
We should have seen somesomebody somewhere in all of the

(01:09:23):
zombies we saw.
At very least give me a zombie.
Yeah, that's not white, yeah,um, so is what's worse?
Just complete racial uniformityin a place where that's not
true, or having people who areblack in a mostly white film but
do it badly.
Let's say nobody gets a pointbecause I don't feel qualified

(01:09:47):
to.
Yeah, no points.
Women how are women representedin both films?

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
You know what?
There are women in both films.
Both films has a pregnant woman, yeah, both films, oh no.
Both films have women whocontribute to the plot in a
non-direct way.
Um, but only zoombees has womenwho talk to each other.

(01:10:12):
That's true about somethingthat's not a man it's very, it's
very male-centered.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
28 years yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
It is almost entirely men.
There's Jodie Comer, of course,who is a complex character.
Yeah, if not, you know, stilltraditional.
But there's, there's some,there's some hints that maybe
she's a little bit more behindthe scenes, but she's got stuff
going on.
She's got she's.
She has an illness.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
And there were definitely has an illness and
they were definitely, again, notsaying specific roles.
There were definitely a coupleof roles that could have been
women and it would have beengreat and it would have taken
nothing away from the story forit to be somebody of that's not
a man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yeah, um, the person who controls the, the gate at
their, at their, where they live, that's a woman uh, yep, uh,
there's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
There's sex with a random, yeah woman so basically
women for the most part in bothmovies, I think, play pretty
stereotypical roles.
But there is way more depth toJodie Comer's character than
there is to any of the twocharacters, any gender.
But I'm hopeful that in thecoming next two movies for 28

(01:11:20):
Years Later series that it'sgoing to get better.
Right now it's very muchmale-centered.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, um, any queer, trans representation, lgbtq plus
representation I don't thinkthat there is any in zoobies,
but I don't, I don't really knowyeah, it's not the function of
either.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Well, that's not true .
That's that's heteronormativitycoming through.
There are relationships thatare shown in both movies, all of
them hetero.
However, you pointed out, thereis teletubbies.
I not a spoiler.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Teletubbies shows up in 28 years later there are
teletubbies, and, while theteletubbies themselves don't
really specify their genders ortheir sexual identities, um,
tinky winky is suspected to be,to be gay.
Um, even though the creatorshave said tinky winky is a

(01:12:10):
three-year-old.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Um, and three year olds can be gay, just like they
can be straight but they saidit's not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
it's not necessarily a part of Tinky Winky's outward
facing identity yet, but however, the Teletubbies have openly
accepted the LGBTQ pluscommunity and they sell Pride

(01:12:37):
merch.
So there you go.
That's the LGBTQ representationand 28 years later is tinky
winky.
Yeah, the teletubby disability.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Uh, unless you consider the zombies disabled,
which I would actually in both,both movies I'm trying to think.
I don't think so.
Well, oh, you can't say that.
Shh you gotta redacted, redacted, uh there is a person, there's
a person with disabilities and28 years later yeah, it's a huge
part of the plot yeah, so again, I guess, at the end of the day

(01:13:11):
, 28 years later, does edge outzoombees 2 for this one with a
solid 11 to 1?
Uh, at the end of the day, bothmovies left, left us asking
what the fuck?
But in totally different ways,in totally different ways.
And I would give, without anyspoilers, I would give Zoombies
to one Zed out of 10.
And I would give, 28 yearslater, eight Zeds out of 10.

(01:13:35):
I sometimes I feel like I needto watch it a couple more times
to make a decision, but I thinkI'm solidly in the.
It's a good movie.
I to watch it a couple moretimes to make a decision, but I
think I'm solidly in the.
It's a good movie.
I'd watch it again and maybewith another watch I will maybe
go and I could go back down to aseven or I could go up to a
nine, I don't know I'm I I amsurprised that it's not higher
for you because, um, there are,there are some tells that I look

(01:13:56):
for when watching a movie withyou.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
One, do you look at your phone at any point?
But, like we mentioned, we werein a movie theater and that's
illegal.
Um, two, um, how many times doyou go to the bathroom during
the movie?
How many times do we have topause?

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
and because it was a movie theater, we couldn't pause
, but also, you did not leave atany point I deliberately
dehydrated myself for thistwo-hour movie me too, I think
the thing about it when you saythat is like I can't right now
give it more than an eightbecause of the fact of the lack
of diverse representation in ameaningful way, and that it was

(01:14:32):
just like really deeply white,male centered, and it's hard for
me to give a story like thatsomething more than an eight but
does have a lot of innovation.
So I'm I'm saying it could gohigher, yeah, but also upon
second watch it could go lower,because I'm still in this like
shocked what the fuck place withthe movie.
Yeah, I think it's going to bean iconic movie regardless, just

(01:14:53):
like world war z is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I don't love world war z and, but it's still a good
movie and you know, 28 dayslater, did have a representation
in it, when that was notnecessarily the something that
was on people's minds.
Yeah, um, selena was a blackwoman and was, like the, the,
the badass of the group.

(01:15:15):
Yeah, um, I I'm, I'm gonna giveit a nine 9.5 just because I
enjoyed it.
I do recognize it's false, butI'm choosing to overlook them
because I'm hopeful that thefuture movies because it's
supposed to be a trilogy, thefuture movies I'm hoping will

(01:15:39):
expand more and maybe fill someof these gaps in.
And if they don't, then I'llhave to come back to this
episode and change my answer.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Well, dan, I was hoping you could read my
conclusion in your movie voice,to round us out, you want me to
act?

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Yes, like do you want , 28 years later, acting or
zoombees 2, acting, zoombees 2in a world on fire thanks to a
bunch of rich, mostly white malefascists?
We dared to ask the questionthat really matters Is zombies 2

(01:16:22):
actually better than 28 yearslater?
No, and if you're wondering, no, we're not, okay, it's fucked
out there.
But for now, dot dot dot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Thanks for joining the Zombie Book Club.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Thanks, yeah, that's not written there, so I didn't
read it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
That's in our outro.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Oh, okay, we go to the outro.
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Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Brain munchers discord yeah, also, if you've
seen 28 years later and you'redying to talk about it, please
come talk to us in the discordollie has set up a spoiler zone
for 28 years later a special, aspecial topic that we can go to
to talk about 28 years later,where nobody else will go to

(01:17:55):
look at it if they haven't seenthe movie, and we will talk
about every dick that we saw inthis movie in great detail in
such great detail and all thethings that we couldn't say,
which were so many.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
This was very hard to record.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
It was I'm proud of us.
I want to talk about thisendlessly.
When do we get to talk aboutthis movie?
Because I feel like anythingless than a year is just like
not okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
We gotta wait till it's been out and accessible to
the public not not in a theaterfor a while, yeah, and then I
think we can return to it, justout of respect for the folks who
need time to get there.
They deserve to have access toit before they hear more about
it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Yeah, but thanks for joining everyone.
The end is nigh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Iran may be bye-bye, oh my god.
But also us, because, yeah,they could also hurt us.
I don't know, other placescould too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I don't who's gonna it's a bad time right now who's
gonna drop bombs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
You know it's bad when your friend is uh asking
you what the protocol is fornuclear bombs going off, and
then we're discussing our howclose we are to any of the
radiuses of the nuclearfacilities.
So yeah, the end, and I'm justfeeling kind of nigh, baby, bye,
bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,
bye, bye, bye, bye.

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