October 19, 2025 • 22 mins
The plan for this episode was simple: fire zombies, protest frogs, and a life update. What we got was a quiet living room, two handheld mics, and the kind of day that makes everything else feel small. Our old boy Nero, a once-feral, endlessly loving dog who shaped our routines and taught us patience, took a sharp turn. We walked into the ER carrying an 80lb dog like a duffle bag and left with a simple truth: sometimes love is mercy, and mercy means letting go.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hey y'all.
Hi.
Hi.
We are recording this from ourliving room.
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Yeah.
We're holding microphones likepeasants.
SPEAKER_01 (00:09):
Yeah, while holding hands.
SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
Usually we have peasants hold our microphones.
SPEAKER_01 (00:13):
We're the bourgeoisie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
Yeah.
Um, but now we're holding thembecause we're in a different
room.
SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
Yeah.
Because we thought we'd berecording this waiting uh in our
car yesterday.
Because we were unsurprisinglyvery behind on our podcast.
This time of year is hard tokeep things up.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Yeah.
And um I'm super burnt out.
SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
Yeah, and you would think that because I'm
unemployed that we'd have plentyof time to make more podcasts,
but it hasn't worked that way.
And so we were going to recordtoday's podcast yesterday.
We had an outline.
It was a good outline.
SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
We had an outline?
SPEAKER_01 (00:48):
We did.
SPEAKER_00 (00:49):
Oh.
What were we going to talkabout?
SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
We were going to talk about zombie fires.
Oh.
We're going to talk about we'regoing to give an anti-fascist
tip of the week for casual dead.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Yeah.
We were also going to suggest tothe people who make Daryl Dixon
that they should invent a newtype of zombie that's just made
of fire.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
What a dream.
Also, uh, we were going to talkabout the Amphifa.
SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
Oh, the the frogs.
Yeah, the Portland frog.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Yeah.
Well, the there's m the frogsare multiplying, as are the
unicorns.
And as you showed me, Dan, fromyesterday's protest, the No
Kings protest, there were nowgiant penises and condoms
running around town.
SPEAKER_00 (01:27):
Well, that was one.
Um I'm not quite sure what theirpoint was.
SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
I don't know.
I mean, the frog makes moresense than a dick.
Unless they're indicating thatsomebody in charge is a dick.
SPEAKER_00 (01:38):
And you know, we were also going to talk about
how uh an inflatable frogcostume makes a perfect protest
gear because it obscures facialrecognition and gate
recognition.
Like there's actually nothingmore perfect.
But I guess I just said that, sowe don't have to talk about it
anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
Yeah, there you go.
unknown (01:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
You know now.
We were also going to do a umauthor elevator pitch from
Zelinda Morrison for their bookHarsh Light.
Zelinda, if you're listening,this is going to happen.
The last two times we meant toair it, uh, terrible life things
happened.
Yeah, funny how that works.
Yeah.
Um, sorry about that.
I know that you're fine, but uheverybody should still go check
(02:18):
out Zelinda Morrison's book,Harsh Light.
There's a whole series.
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
Yeah, we'll we'll promote it in a later episode.
SPEAKER_01 (02:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
So if you want that elevator pitch, it'll be coming.
SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
It's coming.
SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
Uh, we were also gonna talk about my declining
mental health.
SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Yeah.
This was before what happenedyesterday happened.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
Yeah.
unknown (02:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:37):
How's your declining mental health, Dan?
SPEAKER_00 (02:39):
It's not getting better.
SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
You mean it hasn't improved in the last 24 hours?
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
It hasn't improved.
Um I mean, maybe in somecathartic ways, but uh yeah,
it's kind of, you know, the uhcombination of world events and
increasing stress from my joband stupid things happening, you
know, it's made it reallydifficult to write and be
(03:08):
creative.
And I know people say like, oh,you gotta use that to fuel your
writing, but it literallydoesn't work like that for me.
I I've admire you if you cantake the most horrible things in
the world happening and turnthat into art, but uh it kind of
shuts my brain down with anger.
So I just kind of have to waitfor that to pass.
SPEAKER_01 (03:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
Any day now.
SPEAKER_01 (03:29):
Yeah, it makes your brain it makes the verbal
centers of your brain shut down.
SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
Yeah.
There's a whole science behindit, and I could go into it.
But we won't do that this time,because that's a long
conversation.
SPEAKER_01 (03:39):
Yeah.
Is being the soul breadwinnergiving you extra stresses?
SPEAKER_00 (03:44):
Oh, I I thought you were gonna ask if I'm like
getting some like macho manfeels, and which I don't.
Uh, but uh, I don't know.
I mean, I don't feel the stressyet because I think that things
will work out.
Um, but it's not the best.
SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (03:58):
Um, especially since like every single day I want to
quit my job.
SPEAKER_01 (04:02):
And every single day I still want you to quit your
job.
And every time I apply for a jobthat pays really well, I'm like,
they probably won't reach out tome because the job market is um
fallaciously bad right now.
Yeah.
But I have a moment of fantasywhere I'm like, Dan could quit
his job.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Yeah.
You you texted me this week andyou said, if I get a job that
pays$1,000 a year, could youjust quit your job?
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Don't tell people our financial business.
SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
Well, okay, I'll bleep that out then.
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
Maybe.
Um and uh, you know, at the timeI had asphalt leaking out of a
giant hole in my truck that Itold my boss about, but he
ignored.
And I was backing up backwardsthrough the pit to try to dump
all this asphalt, and it waslike making a trail of asphalt,
kind of like if I was a cartooncharacter in Looney Tunes and I
was carrying like a powder kegof gunpowder with a hole in it,
(04:56):
and like somebody's gonna drop amatch, and like little fire
follows me and then it blows meup.
It's kind of like that.
And um, you know, so that'shappening.
I get this text and I textedback, sure, can I start today?
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
And I said, I don't remember what she said, but did
she then?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
No.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
Because I actually learned that that job um on
LinkedIn, more than a thousandpeople just liked the post about
it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:23):
And um, every job that I know about that's had
applications that I've gottenany kind of contact back around
has been like, yeah, you're oneof 500 candidates.
Cool.
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
Yeah, cool, cool, cool.
Well, maybe they'll just awardthe job based on a lottery
system.
Like maybe they'll just pull aping-pong ball with your number.
Maybe.
I feel like that's a moreefficient way than like reading
through everybody's resumes anddoing interviews.
SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
I mean, they have this thing called ATS, and I
don't know what that stands for,but it's magical.
And you have to put magic wordsin your resume that match with
the magic words they need.
And then maybe, but everybodyknows that now, so it's not like
I have an advantage by knowingthat.
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Anyways.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
I mean, does everybody know it?
I don't know it.
I think some people don't knowit.
SPEAKER_01 (06:08):
I think people who are applying for jobs um like
what I'm applying for probablyknow it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Yeah, I think 50% know it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:17):
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:18):
Let's do you know what ATS is out there in the
universe?
I know one of you does becauseyou reviewed my resume.
Thanks, Joe Salazar.
You know what a perk of beingfriends with authors is?
Is you have authors read yourresume and give you feedback.
Joe, my resume would have notpassed the ATS test without you.
So thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
The automated traction control system?
SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
Something like that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
Probably it probably works very similarly.
Um, but yeah, so yesterday wewere gonna record this podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (06:47):
Yeah, I'm glad we did a little warm-up because now
I might not cry.
SPEAKER_00 (06:50):
Yeah.
Um and it started off uh, youknow, we were gonna record this
at home, and I was going to editit like so many last-minute
podcast episodes that we do,just because like the last
several weeks have just beenabsolute nightmare uh inducing
levels of busy and stress.
SPEAKER_01 (07:10):
Every weekend is impact of the gills with events.
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
So it's like, we'll just record it on Saturday.
And then um Saturday came andNero wasn't doing so well.
SPEAKER_01 (07:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
Um, we could give you a lot of details, but for
the most part, he was up allnight, which means that Leah and
Leah was up all night.
I was up all night to an extent,not as much as Leah.
Um, I think I slept through alot of it.
SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
No, I was with him all night.
SPEAKER_00 (07:35):
But Leah was Leah was with him all night.
SPEAKER_01 (07:38):
Most people, I think, you know, if you're new
to this podcast, if you justcame because you've been
listening to the Wicked Wordscrossover episodes, welcome.
Uh, this is not usually what ourepisodes are like.
And if you're like, who is Nero?
Are you talking about the RomanEmperor who burned down Rome?
Yes.
And played a flute?
No.
unknown (07:54):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
We're talking about um our beloved pup puppa doo,
which I I also just would liketo feel the need to say that I
know that the words are notstresses or puppadoo.
You're just getting myunfiltered weird uh Dan and my
cultural lingo right now.
Um but anyways, Nero's a dog.
Nero was a dog.
Nero was Nero was a very gooddog.
(08:17):
Yeah.
And he was in my life for 12years.
He was 13 years old.
And if you've been listening fora while, you've heard him tippy
tap in the background.
You've probably heard theepisode that he interrupted
5,000 times by barking at us.
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
Yeah.
We had to record it over thespan of two days because he was
so angry about us talking intomicrophones.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
Yeah, he was he was showing us signs of early onset
dementia and unyeticated.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
That's true.
It did go back that far.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So um he was having a roughtime, and he was kind of like he
kind of stopped being able tocontrol his body for a while.
He was really wobbly.
He was walking on the tops ofhis feet.
Um, and we decided that we'regonna take him to the uh animal
(09:05):
emergency room.
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
For context, he wasn't like that all night.
We just thought he had an upsettongue.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
Yeah, he he definitely it definitely um
spiraled.
Yeah, escalated at a certainpoint.
SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
Does it go up or down?
Because spiral feels like goingdown a drain, but escalated
sounds like going up.
SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
The situation escalated, his condition
spiraled.
Okay.
Yeah.
Uh so we went and, you know, atthis point we don't really know
what they're gonna tell us.
So we're like, let's pack up ourlaptops, our podcast recording
equipment, because I have somemobile stuff that we can just
take with us.
(09:42):
Um, and worst case scenario, werecord this thing in the parking
lot while Nero's in with thedoctor getting CAT scans or
blood work or whatever.
Um, because we've been to thisplace a few times before.
SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
All for Nero.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
All for Nero.
And uh, you know, we know thatthese things take a long time,
so we might as well get thisstuff done right in the parking
lot slash the lobby.
Um, but what they discovered,and it was it was pretty clear,
you know, he was having theselittle tremors in his head,
which uh the doctor pointed outwere seizures, and we had to
(10:19):
make a decision uh about hisexistence and his quality of
life.
SPEAKER_01 (10:25):
I'm very grateful to the doctor whose name I don't
remember for you know giving usthe choice, but making it very
clear.
We talked through all theoptions, all the things we could
do, all the tests we could do,what would happen if he got
positive results for differenttest items, and all of the all
of the answers were this dog'squality of life is going to
(10:45):
spiral really badly.
And if it's not today, it'sgonna be very soon.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:51):
So And even the roadmap to even um get him on
the medication would have meantthat like for at least a week he
would have been in this likeseizury, floppy limbed, like
can't stand hurting himselfevery time he moved, kind of
scenario.
And then we would have to likeprobably drive to Massachusetts
(11:14):
to um to see a neurologist.
And after all that, he's still avery old boy.
So it didn't really seem likethat was any of those things
were an option.
SPEAKER_01 (11:25):
Well, even with the neurologist, she made that clear
that they could basicallydiagnose the problem.
SPEAKER_00 (11:30):
Yeah.
We could we could know thereason of his suffering.
SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
Yeah, and we might be able to delay it a little bit
longer.
Yeah.
Um having lost a horse in a verysudden way, um, it I'm not
interested.
Like it was clear that he didn'tneed to keep suffering.
And um also there's uh the theTom Ten Farm and Sanctuary,
which I mentioned a lot on thispodcast that before I was
(11:55):
unemployed, we were donating tomonthly, and I hope to again.
And uh they exclusively workwith seniors, and one of the
things that they really do isthey monitor their wellness very
carefully and they spare noexpense in making sure that
these creatures have the bestpossible life.
They say peace, possibility, andprotection.
I've been there, I've seen itmyself, it's really special.
Um, but when they know an animalis rapidly declining, they do
(12:19):
their best to end that animal'slife on a good day.
SPEAKER_00 (12:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:23):
And um I didn't want Nero to have more bad days for a
very small possibility that hemight have one more good day.
SPEAKER_00 (12:31):
Yeah, yeah, and I agree.
SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
Um I didn't know we were gonna get into these weeds.
SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
I didn't either, but I guess I guess it's you know,
if we're talking about it, we'retalking about it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:41):
Yeah, I'm just worried I guess like, you know,
I'm a little worried.
Some people will judge.
Like I've even seen on the TomTen Farm and Sanctuary page,
like people get mad when theyeuthanize animals, and it's
like, I don't think you've firstof all grown up on a farm or
like known what it like had tomake those kinds of choices.
So just know that I would muchrather Nero be here right now.
(13:04):
And the fact that I'm not cryingis kind of incredible.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
And I'm glad because I don't want to cry on this
podcast.
And I didn't know we would tellyou all of this.
The the original plan was justto be like, this is why we're
not having a normal episode, butmaybe we just need to talk about
it.
And if you're listening to this,odds are oh, hi Simon, and
there's the other dog, Janeway.
I'm gonna tell y'all a story.
So, as you all know, Simon,Dan's brother, lives with us,
(13:30):
and he has a great dog namedJaneway.
And Jane Way is young andbeautiful, and she's the other
black and tan, or now the onlyblack and tan.
And when she got here, we had abig backyard and there's like a
ditch in it because we live on ahill and that it redirects the
water away from our house.
And she used to love to run andjump over the ditch, but we had
to fence it off from her becauseNero, as his let's see, got more
(13:52):
dementia um over time, wouldwould forget where he was and um
always go to the wrong door tocome inside or just get lost
down there because it's quite alarge yard.
It's hard to explain, butbasically we had to split the
yard into two.
So if we let him outside when wewere downstairs, he would come
back to the only one doorbecause he didn't have a choice.
(14:13):
Yeah.
Um, so now Janeway gets thewhole yard, and that's good.
And yes, it is Janeway from StarTrek if you don't know Janeway.
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Yeah.
Well, I'm happy about thatbecause Janeway Janeway would
jump like a deer.
unknown (14:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
It was pretty amazing to watch.
SPEAKER_01 (14:30):
Nero used to do that too.
Yeah.
Nero used to be incrediblyathletic and uh smart, and then
you know, we've really watchedhim decline for a long time.
And I we was I was looking atpictures of him, uh, it was
becoming really, really clearthat this was it was the right
choice.
Like yeah, he was old.
(14:52):
But he had a good look lastcouple of few weeks, and I'm
really, really grateful forthat.
We went for walks in the woods.
Um he went for car rides, he gotall of his treats all the time,
he got lots of pets whenever hewanted them, but he wanted them
less and less.
SPEAKER_00 (15:06):
Yeah.
And uh and he had a really goodlast five years for sure.
He had a big backyard to playin.
You had to walk in the woods alot.
SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Well, I told Dan today that I might want to do an
episode of like our fantasy,like what would our fantasy
zombie apocalypse world looklike if Nero and Atlas were
still here, and also my snakefriend, California King Snake
named Ikoro, or sneakers.
Um Because I don't know, thoughmaybe that will be the way that
I like mourn Nero and all theothers that have gone before
(15:36):
him.
But I don't really know what howmuch more to say.
There's clearly no zombies inthis episode, although I will
say I do have a sticker of Neroas a zombie with a arm in his
mouth, and it's a little moredisturbing than it was to me
when I drew it.
I'm sure over time I will thinkit's cute again, but right now
I'm like, oh, that's really sad.
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
I think it's super cute.
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
I guess I'll end with this.
It was really peaceful.
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
It was, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
And that's why I'm okay.
I'm like not okay, but I'm alsookay.
SPEAKER_00 (16:07):
And we were all there when it ha when when we
did it.
Um Zeke, our other dog, uhclimbed onto the Gurney with
Nero and laid on him.
Like like he does.
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:20):
Um and he's doing well too.
I think it's you can see thathe's you know, he's sad.
SPEAKER_01 (16:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:29):
Um but I he understands he understands what
happened, I think.
SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
Yeah.
Our other amazing author friend,Alice B.
Sullivan, let me know as asomebody who is a vet tech that
they know when they pass.
So shout out to you, Alice, forbeing incredibly helpful in this
time and knowing science facts.
When I was like, these thingsare happening, and this is
what's happening, and then youwere like, This this thing, and
I was like, I think so.
(16:55):
And then you were like, Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
That's how that conversation went.
Ziggy just booped my leg.
SPEAKER_01 (17:01):
Yeah, Ziggy says hi.
Ziggy says, Whoever you love, gogive them a hug.
And um remember that life isfinite, or at least this one is
nothing lasts, everything is ofthe nature to die and get sick.
But if you're not right now,fuck and celebrate that shit.
unknown (17:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:21):
Yeah, and that kind of brings me full circle back to
like how I was feeling earlierthis week with my, you know, my
my declining mental health aboutworld events and stuff.
And for a brief window of time,I had uh I was so sad about Nero
that I couldn't be sad aboutanything else.
(17:41):
In a way that was kind of nice.
Um even though I was incrediblysad about Nero.
And now I'm still like we'rewe're still mourning Nero and
still kind of in that place.
SPEAKER_01 (17:53):
Yeah, I think that's maybe why we're talking about it
so much.
I think having a microphone infront of my face makes me a
little calmer.
Because before this, and I'msure after this, there will be
more sobbing.
My eyes are very swollen.
Dan shed some tears.
SPEAKER_00 (18:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
Ziggy also looks like he's kind of I don't know
if dogs can cry, but beenthrough it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:12):
Definitely has some eye goopers.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:14):
But Nero was the best dog.
He was so special.
He was um a feral dog when I gothim.
And um he had never experiencedlove or trust of the human being
before except for the person whorescued him and fostered him
until I took him in.
And he had special needs as aresult of that.
And I feel really privil oh no,no, I'm gonna Okay.
(18:36):
I feel really privileged that Igot to be that person for him
because he was the most lovingboy.
He was just scared sometimes.
unknown (18:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
And needed a little extra help to get around in the
world and to be safe and to keepother people safe from him
because he was he could be scarybecause he was scared.
Um, so that meant a lot of ourlife and a lot of the way that
we lived our life wasrestricted.
Um, and so one of the weirdthings that we got to do today
that I haven't done ever withZiggy, is we took him for a walk
(19:06):
in the middle of the day, andpeople went by, and it was okay.
Instead of taking them both forwalks before the sun is out on a
back road, hoping no one comesby.
SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
Yeah.
So But I think I think that'sit.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
Yep.
Yeah.
We could talk forever aboutNero.
SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
And maybe we will.
SPEAKER_01 (19:25):
Yeah.
Nero will absolutely be a partof us forever.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
So Yeah.
He was a good boy.
SPEAKER_01 (19:33):
Yeah.
And um next time you seesomebody who seems a little
angry, having a hard time, I'mnot saying that you let them
bite you, because you shouldn't.
But probably they're prettythey've they've gone through
something pretty rough to bethat way.
unknown (19:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Also, maybe they're a zombie.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
There's that too.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
I just tied in zombies.
SPEAKER_01 (19:50):
There we go.
SPEAKER_00 (19:51):
We did it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:52):
Anyways, I don't know why I'm sharing all these
random I'm sharing my own lifelessons from Nera.
And one of them was that the wayhe reacts sometimes or the way
he reacted sometimes when he wasscared was to be scary.
But what was wild about him wasthe minute he knew you were
safe, which was basically givinghim a dentistic, he loved you
more than anybody on the planetand was incredibly wonderful.
(20:14):
And um, like no risk to anybody,really.
He just looked scary if you walkto our front door.
Yeah.
He whenever I see a scaryperson, I think maybe they're
just Nero.
SPEAKER_00 (20:25):
Yeah.
He um he he loved me instantlyfrom the moment I met him.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
Yeah.
And Dan was a scary man with ahat, and Dan or Nero didn't like
men with hats, especially.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
Nero didn't like men, didn't Nero didn't like
people who wore hats.
Um, and I guess that changed.
He didn't like people who rodebikes.
That never changed.
No, but this are very upsetting.
This is a no-bike householdhere.
Bikes unacceptable.
SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:55):
Yeah.
There we go.
That's uh that's our update.
And um are we going to push backZombie Wien?
SPEAKER_01 (21:03):
Yes.
I need to tell the Zombie Wienpeople.
Um, so I'm sure many of you arewondering who the Zombie Wien
people are.
I'm not gonna use this episodeto tell you because they deserve
their moment in the limelight.
Uh the the are we do we have alimelight, Dan?
SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Yeah, it's a light.
It is lime in color.
SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
I think it's pink because we have a neon pink
logo.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
That's right.
Yeah, but when when we bring thelimelight out, though.
SPEAKER_01 (21:28):
Okay.
Well, anyways, they deserve tobe celebrated for their amazing
participation in our absolutelyridiculous game.
And uh we have exciting newsabout that, but it was gonna
come out next weekend on October26th.
I'm thinking it's gonna come outthe following weekend, so that
when Dan is editing it and whenI'm working on the promotional
(21:49):
materials, we're in a betterplace.
unknown (21:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
Take some time to grieve first.
SPEAKER_00 (21:54):
And uh next weekend maybe something a little bit uh
I don't know.
What I don't know what we'redoing next weekend.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
I don't either because it was supposed to be
zombie ween, but we'll dosomething.
We'll do something.
We could talk about one of themany zombie things we've watched
recently.
SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:09):
That we haven't talked about on the podcast
because we've been interviewingauthors.
SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Yeah, we can talk about Daryl Dixon's fire
zombies.
SPEAKER_01 (22:14):
We can talk about in the flesh.
SPEAKER_00 (22:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:17):
All right.
Um it might sound crazy.
But the end uh kind of happenedfor one of our favorite
creatures on the planet.
And so I'm just gonna say fornow, bye bye.
Go hug somebody you love if youcan.
And if not, go give yourself ahug.
I'm sure you deserve it.
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
Yeah, give yourself a hug.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
Don't die.
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
At least for now.
SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
Bye bye.
unknown (22:40):
Bye.
Hey y'all.
Hi.
Hi.
We are recording this from ourliving room.
SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Yeah.
We're holding microphones likepeasants.
SPEAKER_01 (00:09):
Yeah, while holding hands.
SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
Usually we have peasants hold our microphones.
SPEAKER_01 (00:13):
We're the bourgeoisie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:14):
Yeah.
Um, but now we're holding thembecause we're in a different
room.
SPEAKER_01 (00:19):
Yeah.
Because we thought we'd berecording this waiting uh in our
car yesterday.
Because we were unsurprisinglyvery behind on our podcast.
This time of year is hard tokeep things up.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Yeah.
And um I'm super burnt out.
SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
Yeah, and you would think that because I'm
unemployed that we'd have plentyof time to make more podcasts,
but it hasn't worked that way.
And so we were going to recordtoday's podcast yesterday.
We had an outline.
It was a good outline.
SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
We had an outline?
SPEAKER_01 (00:48):
We did.
SPEAKER_00 (00:49):
Oh.
What were we going to talkabout?
SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
We were going to talk about zombie fires.
Oh.
We're going to talk about we'regoing to give an anti-fascist
tip of the week for casual dead.
SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Yeah.
We were also going to suggest tothe people who make Daryl Dixon
that they should invent a newtype of zombie that's just made
of fire.
SPEAKER_01 (01:07):
What a dream.
Also, uh, we were going to talkabout the Amphifa.
SPEAKER_00 (01:12):
Oh, the the frogs.
Yeah, the Portland frog.
SPEAKER_01 (01:15):
Yeah.
Well, the there's m the frogsare multiplying, as are the
unicorns.
And as you showed me, Dan, fromyesterday's protest, the No
Kings protest, there were nowgiant penises and condoms
running around town.
SPEAKER_00 (01:27):
Well, that was one.
Um I'm not quite sure what theirpoint was.
SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
I don't know.
I mean, the frog makes moresense than a dick.
Unless they're indicating thatsomebody in charge is a dick.
SPEAKER_00 (01:38):
And you know, we were also going to talk about
how uh an inflatable frogcostume makes a perfect protest
gear because it obscures facialrecognition and gate
recognition.
Like there's actually nothingmore perfect.
But I guess I just said that, sowe don't have to talk about it
anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (01:55):
Yeah, there you go.
unknown (01:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
You know now.
We were also going to do a umauthor elevator pitch from
Zelinda Morrison for their bookHarsh Light.
Zelinda, if you're listening,this is going to happen.
The last two times we meant toair it, uh, terrible life things
happened.
Yeah, funny how that works.
Yeah.
Um, sorry about that.
I know that you're fine, but uheverybody should still go check
(02:18):
out Zelinda Morrison's book,Harsh Light.
There's a whole series.
SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
Yeah, we'll we'll promote it in a later episode.
SPEAKER_01 (02:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
So if you want that elevator pitch, it'll be coming.
SPEAKER_01 (02:29):
It's coming.
SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
Uh, we were also gonna talk about my declining
mental health.
SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Yeah.
This was before what happenedyesterday happened.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
Yeah.
unknown (02:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:37):
How's your declining mental health, Dan?
SPEAKER_00 (02:39):
It's not getting better.
SPEAKER_01 (02:43):
You mean it hasn't improved in the last 24 hours?
SPEAKER_00 (02:46):
It hasn't improved.
Um I mean, maybe in somecathartic ways, but uh yeah,
it's kind of, you know, the uhcombination of world events and
increasing stress from my joband stupid things happening, you
know, it's made it reallydifficult to write and be
(03:08):
creative.
And I know people say like, oh,you gotta use that to fuel your
writing, but it literallydoesn't work like that for me.
I I've admire you if you cantake the most horrible things in
the world happening and turnthat into art, but uh it kind of
shuts my brain down with anger.
So I just kind of have to waitfor that to pass.
SPEAKER_01 (03:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
Any day now.
SPEAKER_01 (03:29):
Yeah, it makes your brain it makes the verbal
centers of your brain shut down.
SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
Yeah.
There's a whole science behindit, and I could go into it.
But we won't do that this time,because that's a long
conversation.
SPEAKER_01 (03:39):
Yeah.
Is being the soul breadwinnergiving you extra stresses?
SPEAKER_00 (03:44):
Oh, I I thought you were gonna ask if I'm like
getting some like macho manfeels, and which I don't.
Uh, but uh, I don't know.
I mean, I don't feel the stressyet because I think that things
will work out.
Um, but it's not the best.
SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (03:58):
Um, especially since like every single day I want to
quit my job.
SPEAKER_01 (04:02):
And every single day I still want you to quit your
job.
And every time I apply for a jobthat pays really well, I'm like,
they probably won't reach out tome because the job market is um
fallaciously bad right now.
Yeah.
But I have a moment of fantasywhere I'm like, Dan could quit
his job.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Yeah.
You you texted me this week andyou said, if I get a job that
pays$1,000 a year, could youjust quit your job?
SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
Don't tell people our financial business.
SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
Well, okay, I'll bleep that out then.
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
Maybe.
Um and uh, you know, at the timeI had asphalt leaking out of a
giant hole in my truck that Itold my boss about, but he
ignored.
And I was backing up backwardsthrough the pit to try to dump
all this asphalt, and it waslike making a trail of asphalt,
kind of like if I was a cartooncharacter in Looney Tunes and I
was carrying like a powder kegof gunpowder with a hole in it,
(04:56):
and like somebody's gonna drop amatch, and like little fire
follows me and then it blows meup.
It's kind of like that.
And um, you know, so that'shappening.
I get this text and I textedback, sure, can I start today?
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
And I said, I don't remember what she said, but did
she then?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
No.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:15):
Because I actually learned that that job um on
LinkedIn, more than a thousandpeople just liked the post about
it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:23):
And um, every job that I know about that's had
applications that I've gottenany kind of contact back around
has been like, yeah, you're oneof 500 candidates.
Cool.
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
Yeah, cool, cool, cool.
Well, maybe they'll just awardthe job based on a lottery
system.
Like maybe they'll just pull aping-pong ball with your number.
Maybe.
I feel like that's a moreefficient way than like reading
through everybody's resumes anddoing interviews.
SPEAKER_01 (05:46):
I mean, they have this thing called ATS, and I
don't know what that stands for,but it's magical.
And you have to put magic wordsin your resume that match with
the magic words they need.
And then maybe, but everybodyknows that now, so it's not like
I have an advantage by knowingthat.
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Anyways.
SPEAKER_00 (06:04):
I mean, does everybody know it?
I don't know it.
I think some people don't knowit.
SPEAKER_01 (06:08):
I think people who are applying for jobs um like
what I'm applying for probablyknow it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Yeah, I think 50% know it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:17):
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:18):
Let's do you know what ATS is out there in the
universe?
I know one of you does becauseyou reviewed my resume.
Thanks, Joe Salazar.
You know what a perk of beingfriends with authors is?
Is you have authors read yourresume and give you feedback.
Joe, my resume would have notpassed the ATS test without you.
So thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
The automated traction control system?
SPEAKER_01 (06:39):
Something like that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (06:40):
Probably it probably works very similarly.
Um, but yeah, so yesterday wewere gonna record this podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (06:47):
Yeah, I'm glad we did a little warm-up because now
I might not cry.
SPEAKER_00 (06:50):
Yeah.
Um and it started off uh, youknow, we were gonna record this
at home, and I was going to editit like so many last-minute
podcast episodes that we do,just because like the last
several weeks have just beenabsolute nightmare uh inducing
levels of busy and stress.
SPEAKER_01 (07:10):
Every weekend is impact of the gills with events.
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
So it's like, we'll just record it on Saturday.
And then um Saturday came andNero wasn't doing so well.
SPEAKER_01 (07:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
Um, we could give you a lot of details, but for
the most part, he was up allnight, which means that Leah and
Leah was up all night.
I was up all night to an extent,not as much as Leah.
Um, I think I slept through alot of it.
SPEAKER_01 (07:34):
No, I was with him all night.
SPEAKER_00 (07:35):
But Leah was Leah was with him all night.
SPEAKER_01 (07:38):
Most people, I think, you know, if you're new
to this podcast, if you justcame because you've been
listening to the Wicked Wordscrossover episodes, welcome.
Uh, this is not usually what ourepisodes are like.
And if you're like, who is Nero?
Are you talking about the RomanEmperor who burned down Rome?
Yes.
And played a flute?
No.
unknown (07:54):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
We're talking about um our beloved pup puppa doo,
which I I also just would liketo feel the need to say that I
know that the words are notstresses or puppadoo.
You're just getting myunfiltered weird uh Dan and my
cultural lingo right now.
Um but anyways, Nero's a dog.
Nero was a dog.
Nero was Nero was a very gooddog.
(08:17):
Yeah.
And he was in my life for 12years.
He was 13 years old.
And if you've been listening fora while, you've heard him tippy
tap in the background.
You've probably heard theepisode that he interrupted
5,000 times by barking at us.
SPEAKER_00 (08:30):
Yeah.
We had to record it over thespan of two days because he was
so angry about us talking intomicrophones.
SPEAKER_01 (08:36):
Yeah, he was he was showing us signs of early onset
dementia and unyeticated.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
That's true.
It did go back that far.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So um he was having a roughtime, and he was kind of like he
kind of stopped being able tocontrol his body for a while.
He was really wobbly.
He was walking on the tops ofhis feet.
Um, and we decided that we'regonna take him to the uh animal
(09:05):
emergency room.
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
For context, he wasn't like that all night.
We just thought he had an upsettongue.
SPEAKER_00 (09:10):
Yeah, he he definitely it definitely um
spiraled.
Yeah, escalated at a certainpoint.
SPEAKER_01 (09:16):
Does it go up or down?
Because spiral feels like goingdown a drain, but escalated
sounds like going up.
SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
The situation escalated, his condition
spiraled.
Okay.
Yeah.
Uh so we went and, you know, atthis point we don't really know
what they're gonna tell us.
So we're like, let's pack up ourlaptops, our podcast recording
equipment, because I have somemobile stuff that we can just
take with us.
(09:42):
Um, and worst case scenario, werecord this thing in the parking
lot while Nero's in with thedoctor getting CAT scans or
blood work or whatever.
Um, because we've been to thisplace a few times before.
SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
All for Nero.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
All for Nero.
And uh, you know, we know thatthese things take a long time,
so we might as well get thisstuff done right in the parking
lot slash the lobby.
Um, but what they discovered,and it was it was pretty clear,
you know, he was having theselittle tremors in his head,
which uh the doctor pointed outwere seizures, and we had to
(10:19):
make a decision uh about hisexistence and his quality of
life.
SPEAKER_01 (10:25):
I'm very grateful to the doctor whose name I don't
remember for you know giving usthe choice, but making it very
clear.
We talked through all theoptions, all the things we could
do, all the tests we could do,what would happen if he got
positive results for differenttest items, and all of the all
of the answers were this dog'squality of life is going to
(10:45):
spiral really badly.
And if it's not today, it'sgonna be very soon.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:51):
So And even the roadmap to even um get him on
the medication would have meantthat like for at least a week he
would have been in this likeseizury, floppy limbed, like
can't stand hurting himselfevery time he moved, kind of
scenario.
And then we would have to likeprobably drive to Massachusetts
(11:14):
to um to see a neurologist.
And after all that, he's still avery old boy.
So it didn't really seem likethat was any of those things
were an option.
SPEAKER_01 (11:25):
Well, even with the neurologist, she made that clear
that they could basicallydiagnose the problem.
SPEAKER_00 (11:30):
Yeah.
We could we could know thereason of his suffering.
SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
Yeah, and we might be able to delay it a little bit
longer.
Yeah.
Um having lost a horse in a verysudden way, um, it I'm not
interested.
Like it was clear that he didn'tneed to keep suffering.
And um also there's uh the theTom Ten Farm and Sanctuary,
which I mentioned a lot on thispodcast that before I was
(11:55):
unemployed, we were donating tomonthly, and I hope to again.
And uh they exclusively workwith seniors, and one of the
things that they really do isthey monitor their wellness very
carefully and they spare noexpense in making sure that
these creatures have the bestpossible life.
They say peace, possibility, andprotection.
I've been there, I've seen itmyself, it's really special.
Um, but when they know an animalis rapidly declining, they do
(12:19):
their best to end that animal'slife on a good day.
SPEAKER_00 (12:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:23):
And um I didn't want Nero to have more bad days for a
very small possibility that hemight have one more good day.
SPEAKER_00 (12:31):
Yeah, yeah, and I agree.
SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
Um I didn't know we were gonna get into these weeds.
SPEAKER_00 (12:36):
I didn't either, but I guess I guess it's you know,
if we're talking about it, we'retalking about it.
SPEAKER_01 (12:41):
Yeah, I'm just worried I guess like, you know,
I'm a little worried.
Some people will judge.
Like I've even seen on the TomTen Farm and Sanctuary page,
like people get mad when theyeuthanize animals, and it's
like, I don't think you've firstof all grown up on a farm or
like known what it like had tomake those kinds of choices.
So just know that I would muchrather Nero be here right now.
(13:04):
And the fact that I'm not cryingis kind of incredible.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
And I'm glad because I don't want to cry on this
podcast.
And I didn't know we would tellyou all of this.
The the original plan was justto be like, this is why we're
not having a normal episode, butmaybe we just need to talk about
it.
And if you're listening to this,odds are oh, hi Simon, and
there's the other dog, Janeway.
I'm gonna tell y'all a story.
So, as you all know, Simon,Dan's brother, lives with us,
(13:30):
and he has a great dog namedJaneway.
And Jane Way is young andbeautiful, and she's the other
black and tan, or now the onlyblack and tan.
And when she got here, we had abig backyard and there's like a
ditch in it because we live on ahill and that it redirects the
water away from our house.
And she used to love to run andjump over the ditch, but we had
to fence it off from her becauseNero, as his let's see, got more
(13:52):
dementia um over time, wouldwould forget where he was and um
always go to the wrong door tocome inside or just get lost
down there because it's quite alarge yard.
It's hard to explain, butbasically we had to split the
yard into two.
So if we let him outside when wewere downstairs, he would come
back to the only one doorbecause he didn't have a choice.
(14:13):
Yeah.
Um, so now Janeway gets thewhole yard, and that's good.
And yes, it is Janeway from StarTrek if you don't know Janeway.
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Yeah.
Well, I'm happy about thatbecause Janeway Janeway would
jump like a deer.
unknown (14:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
It was pretty amazing to watch.
SPEAKER_01 (14:30):
Nero used to do that too.
Yeah.
Nero used to be incrediblyathletic and uh smart, and then
you know, we've really watchedhim decline for a long time.
And I we was I was looking atpictures of him, uh, it was
becoming really, really clearthat this was it was the right
choice.
Like yeah, he was old.
(14:52):
But he had a good look lastcouple of few weeks, and I'm
really, really grateful forthat.
We went for walks in the woods.
Um he went for car rides, he gotall of his treats all the time,
he got lots of pets whenever hewanted them, but he wanted them
less and less.
SPEAKER_00 (15:06):
Yeah.
And uh and he had a really goodlast five years for sure.
He had a big backyard to playin.
You had to walk in the woods alot.
SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Well, I told Dan today that I might want to do an
episode of like our fantasy,like what would our fantasy
zombie apocalypse world looklike if Nero and Atlas were
still here, and also my snakefriend, California King Snake
named Ikoro, or sneakers.
Um Because I don't know, thoughmaybe that will be the way that
I like mourn Nero and all theothers that have gone before
(15:36):
him.
But I don't really know what howmuch more to say.
There's clearly no zombies inthis episode, although I will
say I do have a sticker of Neroas a zombie with a arm in his
mouth, and it's a little moredisturbing than it was to me
when I drew it.
I'm sure over time I will thinkit's cute again, but right now
I'm like, oh, that's really sad.
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
I think it's super cute.
SPEAKER_01 (15:58):
I guess I'll end with this.
It was really peaceful.
SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
It was, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
And that's why I'm okay.
I'm like not okay, but I'm alsookay.
SPEAKER_00 (16:07):
And we were all there when it ha when when we
did it.
Um Zeke, our other dog, uhclimbed onto the Gurney with
Nero and laid on him.
Like like he does.
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:20):
Um and he's doing well too.
I think it's you can see thathe's you know, he's sad.
SPEAKER_01 (16:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:29):
Um but I he understands he understands what
happened, I think.
SPEAKER_01 (16:34):
Yeah.
Our other amazing author friend,Alice B.
Sullivan, let me know as asomebody who is a vet tech that
they know when they pass.
So shout out to you, Alice, forbeing incredibly helpful in this
time and knowing science facts.
When I was like, these thingsare happening, and this is
what's happening, and then youwere like, This this thing, and
I was like, I think so.
(16:55):
And then you were like, Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:58):
That's how that conversation went.
Ziggy just booped my leg.
SPEAKER_01 (17:01):
Yeah, Ziggy says hi.
Ziggy says, Whoever you love, gogive them a hug.
And um remember that life isfinite, or at least this one is
nothing lasts, everything is ofthe nature to die and get sick.
But if you're not right now,fuck and celebrate that shit.
unknown (17:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:21):
Yeah, and that kind of brings me full circle back to
like how I was feeling earlierthis week with my, you know, my
my declining mental health aboutworld events and stuff.
And for a brief window of time,I had uh I was so sad about Nero
that I couldn't be sad aboutanything else.
(17:41):
In a way that was kind of nice.
Um even though I was incrediblysad about Nero.
And now I'm still like we'rewe're still mourning Nero and
still kind of in that place.
SPEAKER_01 (17:53):
Yeah, I think that's maybe why we're talking about it
so much.
I think having a microphone infront of my face makes me a
little calmer.
Because before this, and I'msure after this, there will be
more sobbing.
My eyes are very swollen.
Dan shed some tears.
SPEAKER_00 (18:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:07):
Ziggy also looks like he's kind of I don't know
if dogs can cry, but beenthrough it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:12):
Definitely has some eye goopers.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:14):
But Nero was the best dog.
He was so special.
He was um a feral dog when I gothim.
And um he had never experiencedlove or trust of the human being
before except for the person whorescued him and fostered him
until I took him in.
And he had special needs as aresult of that.
And I feel really privil oh no,no, I'm gonna Okay.
(18:36):
I feel really privileged that Igot to be that person for him
because he was the most lovingboy.
He was just scared sometimes.
unknown (18:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
And needed a little extra help to get around in the
world and to be safe and to keepother people safe from him
because he was he could be scarybecause he was scared.
Um, so that meant a lot of ourlife and a lot of the way that
we lived our life wasrestricted.
Um, and so one of the weirdthings that we got to do today
that I haven't done ever withZiggy, is we took him for a walk
(19:06):
in the middle of the day, andpeople went by, and it was okay.
Instead of taking them both forwalks before the sun is out on a
back road, hoping no one comesby.
SPEAKER_00 (19:17):
Yeah.
So But I think I think that'sit.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
Yep.
Yeah.
We could talk forever aboutNero.
SPEAKER_00 (19:24):
And maybe we will.
SPEAKER_01 (19:25):
Yeah.
Nero will absolutely be a partof us forever.
SPEAKER_00 (19:31):
So Yeah.
He was a good boy.
SPEAKER_01 (19:33):
Yeah.
And um next time you seesomebody who seems a little
angry, having a hard time, I'mnot saying that you let them
bite you, because you shouldn't.
But probably they're prettythey've they've gone through
something pretty rough to bethat way.
unknown (19:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
Also, maybe they're a zombie.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
There's that too.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
I just tied in zombies.
SPEAKER_01 (19:50):
There we go.
SPEAKER_00 (19:51):
We did it.
SPEAKER_01 (19:52):
Anyways, I don't know why I'm sharing all these
random I'm sharing my own lifelessons from Nera.
And one of them was that the wayhe reacts sometimes or the way
he reacted sometimes when he wasscared was to be scary.
But what was wild about him wasthe minute he knew you were
safe, which was basically givinghim a dentistic, he loved you
more than anybody on the planetand was incredibly wonderful.
(20:14):
And um, like no risk to anybody,really.
He just looked scary if you walkto our front door.
Yeah.
He whenever I see a scaryperson, I think maybe they're
just Nero.
SPEAKER_00 (20:25):
Yeah.
He um he he loved me instantlyfrom the moment I met him.
SPEAKER_01 (20:31):
Yeah.
And Dan was a scary man with ahat, and Dan or Nero didn't like
men with hats, especially.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:38):
Nero didn't like men, didn't Nero didn't like
people who wore hats.
Um, and I guess that changed.
He didn't like people who rodebikes.
That never changed.
No, but this are very upsetting.
This is a no-bike householdhere.
Bikes unacceptable.
SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:55):
Yeah.
There we go.
That's uh that's our update.
And um are we going to push backZombie Wien?
SPEAKER_01 (21:03):
Yes.
I need to tell the Zombie Wienpeople.
Um, so I'm sure many of you arewondering who the Zombie Wien
people are.
I'm not gonna use this episodeto tell you because they deserve
their moment in the limelight.
Uh the the are we do we have alimelight, Dan?
SPEAKER_00 (21:18):
Yeah, it's a light.
It is lime in color.
SPEAKER_01 (21:21):
I think it's pink because we have a neon pink
logo.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
That's right.
Yeah, but when when we bring thelimelight out, though.
SPEAKER_01 (21:28):
Okay.
Well, anyways, they deserve tobe celebrated for their amazing
participation in our absolutelyridiculous game.
And uh we have exciting newsabout that, but it was gonna
come out next weekend on October26th.
I'm thinking it's gonna come outthe following weekend, so that
when Dan is editing it and whenI'm working on the promotional
(21:49):
materials, we're in a betterplace.
unknown (21:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:52):
Take some time to grieve first.
SPEAKER_00 (21:54):
And uh next weekend maybe something a little bit uh
I don't know.
What I don't know what we'redoing next weekend.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
I don't either because it was supposed to be
zombie ween, but we'll dosomething.
We'll do something.
We could talk about one of themany zombie things we've watched
recently.
SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:09):
That we haven't talked about on the podcast
because we've been interviewingauthors.
SPEAKER_00 (22:12):
Yeah, we can talk about Daryl Dixon's fire
zombies.
SPEAKER_01 (22:14):
We can talk about in the flesh.
SPEAKER_00 (22:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:17):
All right.
Um it might sound crazy.
But the end uh kind of happenedfor one of our favorite
creatures on the planet.
And so I'm just gonna say fornow, bye bye.
Go hug somebody you love if youcan.
And if not, go give yourself ahug.
I'm sure you deserve it.
SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
Yeah, give yourself a hug.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
Don't die.
SPEAKER_00 (22:39):
At least for now.
SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
Bye bye.
unknown (22:40):
Bye.
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