Warm Bodies (The Book) with special guest Wicked Words Book Club Podcast | Zombie Book Club Ep 115 - Zombie Book Club

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SPEAKER_09 (00:20):
Hi everybody.
It's nice to be with you.
We'll start there.
Yeah.
Oh, are we starting?
We're starting.
There is the Wicked Zombie WordsBook Club and podcast.

SPEAKER_04 (00:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (00:31):
Oh, love that.

SPEAKER_07 (00:31):
Wicked Zombie Words.

SPEAKER_04 (00:34):
So it would just be a bunch of grunted syllables
then if it was a zombie bookclub.

SPEAKER_07 (00:38):
Well, as as the episode progresses, there'd be
more syllables coming out withthe see what I did there?
Little teaser for the read.
Hey.

SPEAKER_09 (00:47):
This is actually the perfect challenge.
Can we describe our podcastswith as few syllables as
possible in honor of the book totoday, Warm Bodies?

SPEAKER_04 (00:56):
Oh, that would be a fantastic task.

SPEAKER_05 (00:58):
The strange thing is, I don't think I have the
brain power for that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03):
It's a little early in the day and the bloody Marys
are flowing.
So yes, we're um.

SPEAKER_07 (01:08):
Oh yeah, you guys got your bloodies, right?
Actually, thanks to you, we havebloody Maria's.
I told her, oh, you know what?
Greg just realized he's out ofMazcal.
So he's making a bo he made aboring Bloody Mary with me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20):
Yeah.
I told her about your bloodyMaria's.
And I was out of um out oftequila.
Tequila.
I just got stuck with a regularold.
Actually, I did find a littletiny bottle of artisanal mascal
that I used in that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33):
You're so bougie.
Artisanal Mazcal.
Listen to you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37):
I think we're already really on the rails
here, and this is fantastic.
So why don't we um why don't weget let everybody get to know us
as we kind of dive into whatthis episode, these two episodes
that we're going to do back toback with Dan and Leah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:50):
Yeah, what is this?
A crossover episode?
Yeah.
The dating game?

SPEAKER_00 (01:56):
Possibly.

SPEAKER_07 (01:56):
So if you have never heard of us, we're Wicked Words
Book Club and Podcast, and weare a couple who pods.
We read a book, we talk aboutthe book, and then we watch the
film adaptation or a companionfilm that we choose to go along
with the book.
We read horror, thriller, andsci-fi.
No romance.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (02:15):
Except for that.
This is kind of.
Apparently, that's not true.

SPEAKER_07 (02:18):
Yeah.
Sorry, I guess I'm a liar.
Um, this is the most romancewe've ever done and probably
will ever do.

SPEAKER_09 (02:25):
We've always had romance in the background of our
zombie stories that we read.
Yeah.
This is definitely full frontal.
Have you guys heard of it?
Zombie action.
So who are you?
You said you're a couple, butlike who who who are you?
Who are we talking to?
We are Greg and Sarah.

SPEAKER_07 (02:41):
We're Sarah and Greg.
I don't know.
I mean, what I'm a couple.
I'm a Taurus.
Uh like long walks on the beach.

SPEAKER_04 (02:52):
I'm an aquarium.
No, he's a capital.

SPEAKER_07 (02:57):
Um well, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (02:59):
I I'm stumped by this question, really.
I mean, it is the existentialquestion of being alive is who
am I?
Who am I?

SPEAKER_04 (03:06):
And now I have the existential dread.

SPEAKER_09 (03:08):
Perfect.
That is the whole point ofpodcasting, isn't it?

SPEAKER_07 (03:11):
Well, who the hell are you guys?

SPEAKER_09 (03:12):
I'm Leah.
Um I'm Dan.
I'm an artist who jokes aboutthe apocalypse as a really
excellent climate reset.

SPEAKER_05 (03:20):
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm I'm a writer and I'm filledwith existential dread.
Um, always.
And uh and then we made thispodcast.

SPEAKER_09 (03:32):
Zombie Book Club Podcast.

SPEAKER_05 (03:34):
We talk about exclusively zombie books, but
also movies and other things.

SPEAKER_09 (03:41):
Sometimes games.
We love talking to indie zombieauthors and anything
apocalyptic, and we also docasual debt episodes where we
just say whatever we want andthen try and loosely connect it
to zombies.
Usually it's um talking aboutvery real life apocalypses and
then trying to like make ametaphor.

SPEAKER_04 (04:02):
Having listened to you guys for a while, I love
sort of your I won't call it amashup, but I love the way you
kind of bring like the zombieand all the things you've just
talked about with like zombieworld and and the culture of
zombiness and bringing it intosort of like what's going on in
the current political and andsocial state of our country and
the world.
I find it like a really fun andinteresting mashup, and I enjoy

(04:23):
the hell out about uh about thatwith you guys.
Um, I come for the zombie talkand I definitely stay for the
politics and the other funthings that you guys do.
So I dig it.
I think it's a great littleformat.

SPEAKER_02 (04:35):
Uh thanks.

SPEAKER_09 (04:36):
That's so nice, Greg.
I love your stuff because you'reactually a book club.
Like I when we when we came upwith the term zombie book club,
it was 100% because I'm like,okay, Dan, one day you're gonna
publish a book and we need anaudience to sell it to.

SPEAKER_05 (04:49):
That was three years ago.

SPEAKER_09 (04:51):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (04:54):
Still working on it.

SPEAKER_09 (04:55):
Yeah.
Uh and plugging away.
People started listening andtalking to us, and I was like,
oh, I guess we kind of are abook club.
But you all actually have like areally cool Discord that's very
active.
You have people discussing thebook alongside you, which we do
too, but not at the same degreeof community that I think you
have around talking about thebooks.
And then I love the moviecompanion angle, and that we're

(05:16):
doing that with this uh withthis little mashup uh with warm
bodies with you.

SPEAKER_07 (05:21):
Yeah, that'll be fun.

SPEAKER_09 (05:22):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 (05:23):
Thank you.
Well, are we ready to jump intothe dating game?
Because I've been dying forthis.
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (05:29):
Yeah, I've never played the dating game.
Oh, you're about to.

SPEAKER_07 (05:31):
Well, you're about to.

SPEAKER_05 (05:32):
I think we're about to get blind swiped, Dan.

SPEAKER_07 (05:35):
I think I I think I'm going first.
I'm gonna ask a question forDan.
And what we're gonna do is Leahand I came up with three
questions.
You have a total of fivepossible points.

SPEAKER_00 (05:45):
Okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (05:46):
I'm gonna ask Dan first, and then Leah will turn
it around on Greg.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (05:50):
Are we going for accurate answers or am I
supposed to make um saucyanswers?
Up to you.

SPEAKER_07 (05:56):
Oh, you want to answer what you think Leah said.

unknown (06:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_09 (06:02):
Which could be saucy.

SPEAKER_05 (06:03):
Could be anything.

SPEAKER_07 (06:04):
It could be saucy.
So I'm gonna are you ready, Dan?

SPEAKER_05 (06:07):
Okay, I I guess I am.
Take a sip of that bloodymarine.
Um, you ready?

SPEAKER_07 (06:15):
Take a sip.
For one possible point, which ofthe following scenarios would
Leah most likely survive in?
Zombie, supernatural slashparanormal, slasher, or
psychological thriller?

SPEAKER_05 (06:28):
Oh, it's it's gotta be the psychological thriller.
Leah loves uh a psychologicalthriller.
She loves people being locked inbasements.
Oh you know, people beingdragged into the woods.
I love that stuff, yeah.
Yeah, it's Leah's favorite.

SPEAKER_09 (06:44):
But would I survive?

SPEAKER_05 (06:45):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 (06:46):
Sarah, what did I say?

SPEAKER_05 (06:47):
I don't think you'll survive anyway.

SPEAKER_07 (06:50):
Excuse me.
Sorry, I'm getting over thiscold.
The correct answer wassupernatural/slash paranormal.

SPEAKER_05 (06:56):
Oh, well, I didn't see that one.

SPEAKER_07 (06:57):
As she does practice witchy uh behaviors.

SPEAKER_05 (07:01):
That is true.
Um, that is probably where Leahhas the best defenses.
I'm currently working on a hexfor our neighbor, so oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 (07:09):
What did they do to earn a hexing?

SPEAKER_05 (07:12):
That's a whole episode.
Oh, wow.
The short version is they dug aditch in front of our driveway.

SPEAKER_09 (07:17):
Yeah, making it impossible to enter our house.

SPEAKER_05 (07:20):
What the hell?

SPEAKER_09 (07:21):
Oh my god, that's not good.
So not hexing, but I I do have aprotection spell.

SPEAKER_00 (07:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (07:26):
Um, so you didn't get that point, Dan.
Well, I missed it by a longshot.
Greg, what about you?
Can you repeat the categories,Sarah?
What do you think Sarah's wouldwould be?

SPEAKER_07 (07:35):
Which of the following scenarios would Sarah
most likely survive in?
One, zombie, two, supernaturalslash paranormal, three slasher,
four psychological thriller.

SPEAKER_04 (07:47):
This is hard because we consume so many of these you
know, these types of of likesubgenres of horror and things
like that.
And um, you know, we we werejust watching like two movies
last night.
We were like, that girl'sstupid, that character's dumb.
You know, like in one situationit was a slasher, and in another
it was, you know, um, what wasthe I was a zombie.

SPEAKER_06 (08:09):
Zombie.

SPEAKER_04 (08:10):
These people are idiots.

SPEAKER_07 (08:12):
Um but so am I.

SPEAKER_04 (08:16):
Well, I'm not gonna call you an idiot, but I do
think you can be a littleoblivious sometimes, which is
which is why this isinteresting.
Right.
I would give you the best shotin the supernatural paranormal
because uh you you you vibe withthe ghosts, you're really one
with the otherworldly typethings of that of that land.

SPEAKER_07 (08:37):
That is correct.
Yeah I my answer wassupernatural because I am
already insane, so anypsychological fuckery would
destroy me.
And also, I am weak and slow andrelatively unmotivated.
So slashers and zombies are out.

SPEAKER_04 (08:53):
I that's a full and wonderful complete answer, dear.
Well done.

SPEAKER_09 (08:56):
It is done at home.
Sarah, I think you two are inthe lead now.
Dan.
Yeah.
Just because I like apsychological thriller doesn't
mean I want to be in.

SPEAKER_05 (09:03):
Well, you know, I wasn't in the right gear, you
know.
I was I started in the wronggear, and uh now I'm ready.

SPEAKER_09 (09:09):
I will say though, the fun part of this dating game
was like, oh, there's a lot ofthings that Sarah and I have in
common.
We can talk more aboutsupernatural stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (09:17):
I that's why I was afraid to go with the same
answer, but then I was like, no,I just I just gotta die.

SPEAKER_07 (09:21):
You gotta just trust your heart.

SPEAKER_04 (09:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (09:23):
Yeah.
Leah, do you remember the nextquestion?

SPEAKER_09 (09:26):
Yes.
It's movie night.
And uh do you want me to askGreg first this time?

SPEAKER_07 (09:31):
Yeah, I think you ask Greg and then I'll switch it
around on Dan.
Perfect.

SPEAKER_09 (09:34):
Okay, so Greg, it's movie night.
Sarah wants three snacks formovie night.
What are the three snacks?

SPEAKER_04 (09:41):
Uh popcorn, probably.
Uh something chocolate, and a uhlike an icy with booze in it.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_09 (09:51):
Sarah, where would you where would you would you
give a point for that?

SPEAKER_04 (09:54):
I guess I guess gave you the answer for like if we
went to a movie, but I guessmovie night at home would be
different.
But um I know those are usuallythe things in rotation when we
go to the theater.

SPEAKER_07 (10:03):
So this one was that of a three possible points.
I give him two out of three.
My answer was something salty,something fruity, and something
chocolate.
So I said popcorn or pumpkinseeds, which got one of those.

SPEAKER_04 (10:17):
You have never eaten pumpkin seeds in front of me.

SPEAKER_07 (10:19):
I love pumpkin seeds.
That is a ridiculous dummy bearsor worms.
Okay, you missed that point.
And then dark chocolate.

SPEAKER_09 (10:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (10:27):
You guys, I'm so sorry.
I'm like hacking, like coughing.

SPEAKER_09 (10:31):
I can't really hear you, so that's good news.

SPEAKER_07 (10:33):
I'm trying to do it outside of the mic, but Oh,
you're doing a great job.

SPEAKER_05 (10:37):
Because I didn't even know.

SPEAKER_04 (10:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (10:40):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 (10:40):
I came home from Vegas for work and I like
brought a cold with me, and thenSarah's like, I'm fine, I won't
get it.
And now she's dealing with theback end of it and mining.

SPEAKER_07 (10:49):
Because Vegas is overrun with mutants.

SPEAKER_04 (10:51):
That is true.

SPEAKER_02 (10:52):
Vegas anyway is pestilence, basically.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (10:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (10:55):
It's it's horrible.
I hate going there for work.

SPEAKER_07 (10:57):
I give Greg two out of three points for that, Leah.

SPEAKER_09 (11:00):
What do you think?
I think that's fair.
I think that's very fair.
Because I mean, I was almostgoing to give three, because I
just assume something fruitymight be a mixed drink.

SPEAKER_04 (11:07):
Yeah, but it is because it's usually like little
airline bottles of vodka and acherry slushy.
That's true.

SPEAKER_09 (11:13):
I do do that at the movie theater.
I mean, I'm generous.
I would give Greg all fourpoints so far.
Which, Dan, I don't know if youcan come back from this.

SPEAKER_07 (11:21):
Yeah, all right, Dan.
Um, how about you?
You have three snacks at movienight for Leah.

SPEAKER_05 (11:26):
And and to be clear, this is is this at-home movie
night?
Is this at the at the theater?

SPEAKER_07 (11:31):
This is an at-home movie night.

SPEAKER_05 (11:33):
Okay.
Um a bar of endangered speciesdark chocolate.
Oh.

SPEAKER_07 (11:41):
Oh, I love those.
I know exactly what you'retalking about.

SPEAKER_05 (11:46):
Um the uh a Ben and Jerry's uh dark fudge and
brownie.
I forget what it's called.
It's it's like brownies andshit.

SPEAKER_07 (11:57):
I believe it's what you're referring to?
Yes, it is half-baked.
Half-baked.
I know my Ben and Jerry's.

SPEAKER_05 (12:05):
Um and a third one, I'm gonna say Sour Patch Kids.

unknown (12:09):
Oh, damn.

SPEAKER_09 (12:10):
Dan, damn, damn, damn.
I said, I mean, you weren'twrong.
I would have also I just okay, Ido love the endangered species
chocolates he described, butthey're to me like a weekly
treat.
I don't like I have afterdinner.
That's not like a fancy I'mgonna have a movie.
So what I said was the threesnacks I would pick would be
tortilla chips.
Okay, which I feel like youshould know um with some kind of

(12:33):
dip or cheese.

SPEAKER_05 (12:34):
I feel like tortilla chips is lunch, though.

SPEAKER_09 (12:36):
No, we're watching movie uh ice cream and popcorn.

SPEAKER_05 (12:40):
Which you got I did miss out on the popcorn.
That should have been an obviousone.
Yeah, at least he didn't saypumpkin speech seeds.

SPEAKER_09 (12:47):
You know, we have been together longer than Sarah
and Greg, but you would notknow.
I wonder, I'm gonna tank nextweek too, when we record for uh
when you have to ask usquestions.
I know it.

SPEAKER_04 (12:57):
I think Dan and I are gonna have to come up with
some devious shit here to getback.

SPEAKER_09 (13:02):
All right, you get one point, Dan.

SPEAKER_05 (13:04):
Great.
I'm on the board.

SPEAKER_09 (13:06):
Dan has two out of four.
Oh no, does Dan have one out offour?
Dan only has one.
Yeah.
One out of five potential pointsright now.
You have one, you have a chancefor one more point.
So you're saying that it's afail.
That's two out of five, which isfair.

SPEAKER_04 (13:20):
Let's let's say I have three.
I got I didn't get the last one.

SPEAKER_06 (13:23):
I don't think you got the fruity one.

SPEAKER_04 (13:24):
You guys are trying to be generous, and that's
sweet, but that that's not whatwe're doing.

SPEAKER_07 (13:27):
That's sweet, but play this cut through the Pika
throat.
I think Brig has three out offour points.

SPEAKER_04 (13:31):
That's fair.

SPEAKER_07 (13:32):
Okay, and you have one out of four.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:34):
All right, last one.

SPEAKER_07 (13:35):
I gotta find in our text messages where our answer
to the last one was.

SPEAKER_04 (13:39):
I'm also doing that.

SPEAKER_07 (13:42):
Uh I remember this one was where Leah was like,
let's make it interesting.

SPEAKER_09 (13:48):
Ooh, fun.
I found it if you want me to doit.

SPEAKER_07 (13:53):
Yeah, you can do it.

SPEAKER_09 (13:54):
Okay.
Greg, what does Sarah find mostannoying about you as her
podcast co-host?
Oh, well, I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_07 (14:03):
Yeah, I was gonna say that's a very open-ended
question, Leah.
But it's with recording thepodcast.

SPEAKER_05 (14:09):
Yeah, I mean, we gotta talk about warm bodies
today.
So yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (14:14):
Um oh my god, I don't know.
Um I'm sure it'll be obviouswhen she says it.
Uh probably something about uhme being a little overly
particular or overly uhanalytical.
Maybe maybe a little hard.
I don't know.
Is that your final answer?
I I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 (14:34):
Don't look at me like I'm gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_04 (14:36):
I'm looking at you trying to like, you know, glean
something from your forehead,but I can't do it.
So no, I I give up on this one.
I'm sure it'll be great though.

SPEAKER_06 (14:46):
He can't think of a single annoying thing.

SPEAKER_04 (14:48):
No, I have I'm perfect.
Spinning in a 306.
My brain is like the littlewheel on the Apple computer when
it gets when it's just a littlebeef ball.
That's where my brain is rightnow.
I'm overloading options.

SPEAKER_09 (15:02):
Spinning wheel of death.

SPEAKER_04 (15:03):
Exactly.
That is my brain.
Okay, please tell me how I'mannoying.

SPEAKER_07 (15:12):
This one is kind of funny because I I gave like
three possible answers.

SPEAKER_04 (15:15):
Oh, great.
See, I wasn't wrong.
You have really good odds.

unknown (15:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:21):
Yeah, I guess I kind of fucked up.

SPEAKER_07 (15:22):
Hell of an odd.
I said sometimes he'slong-winded.

SPEAKER_04 (15:27):
Oh.

SPEAKER_07 (15:28):
That was it.
I said the most annoying thingis that sometimes he says ill
relevant instead of irrelevant.

SPEAKER_02 (15:35):
Yep.
Should have got that.

SPEAKER_07 (15:36):
And I said, but he will never guess that.
And I think we fundamentallydisagree about this.
Lastly, he can be contrarian forcontrarian's sake, and that
annoys the shit out of me, buthe won't guess that either.

SPEAKER_04 (15:49):
Podcasting people being a contrarian.
All right.

SPEAKER_07 (15:52):
At this point, it's irrelevant, so completely
illrelevant.

SPEAKER_09 (15:57):
Absolutely ill irrelevant.
I can't even say it.

SPEAKER_02 (15:59):
Illrelevant.
That's too many.
You gotta be a real idiot to getit wrong all the time, like I
do.

SPEAKER_07 (16:03):
And Dan, what does Leah find most annoying about
you as her podcast co-host?

SPEAKER_05 (16:10):
Um, Leah, how how many answers did you give?

SPEAKER_09 (16:13):
I I can't I can't answer that.
That's not fair.
I've I feel like I feel likethere are two messages, I'll
tell you that.

SPEAKER_05 (16:20):
So it could be two things or does it yeah.
Um you know, I think I I've I'veI have this very similar
shortcomings as Greg.
I think uh I am very long-windedsometimes.

(16:41):
I uh I think probably the mostannoying thing is that I go on
um tangents, I have nothing todo with anything, but then loop
it back around at the very endand uh and Leah can no longer
connect the dots.
But I'm gonna give a bonusanswer.
Okay.
And uh the bonus answer is thatwhen Leah says something and

(17:04):
then she's like, Can you pleaseedit that out?
Then I say yes, and then Idon't.
Because I think it's funny.

SPEAKER_09 (17:14):
You are redeeming yourself right now.

SPEAKER_07 (17:16):
And can I tell you how many of those three did he
get right?
There were three possibleanswers, and he got two out of
three flying colors, I'd say, onthis one.

SPEAKER_03 (17:26):
I nailed it.
I I how many possible points?
I think he should get at leasttwo out of I think he should get
at least two points.
Oh no, this is a one-pointer.
Yeah, we didn't see it.
The rules are alreadyestablished.

SPEAKER_07 (17:35):
Because there were so many like odds.
The odds are very good.
If there's three possiblecorrect answers, it's it's it's
supposed to be a gimme.

SPEAKER_04 (17:43):
I think you I think you're shafting Dan here.

SPEAKER_07 (17:46):
Okay.
I I I gotta say, no, I'm notshafting.
I'm giving him the point.
What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 (17:52):
I, however, was a narcissist and couldn't come up
with one word.

SPEAKER_07 (17:56):
But Dan, Dan, know thyself.
He nailed it.
Yeah, the only one he missed.
But yeah, you want you wanna sayit, Leah?
The only one he missed.

SPEAKER_09 (18:05):
Yeah, you missed, and honestly, it was me riffing
off of the irrelevant becausethis does annoy me.
I said, Dan says condescending,and I very condescendingly
correct him.
Condensending, maybe.
Oh my god, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 (18:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna throw another one in there is
that sometimes I think I soundcondescending.

SPEAKER_09 (18:26):
And then I said the thing that annoys me the most
about Dan is when he doesn'tdelete something, I tell him to,
and it lives on forever to hauntme in an episode.
Dan also goes on random infodumps that are irrelevant to the
topic completely, and it feelslike sandpaper on my brain.

SPEAKER_07 (18:40):
They're ilrelevant, maybe even.

unknown (18:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (18:42):
Yeah, that was a missed opportunity.
Highly irrelevant.

SPEAKER_07 (18:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:46):
Dan, do you have a favorite thing that you've left
in over the years or over thepods?
Like the one thing that sticksout that just really pisses Lee
off you left in that you maybeshould have taken out.

SPEAKER_05 (18:57):
I don't know if I have a favorite of that, but I
do remember a few times when uhwhen the fury was brought down
on me uh for doing such a thing.
And I was like, but I thought itwas funny.

SPEAKER_01 (19:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (19:13):
And then I uh then I went into the corner and I just
curled up into a ball andstaying.

SPEAKER_09 (19:22):
Gonna beat you.

SPEAKER_07 (19:24):
These are men with our the us being strong women,
they have to deal with itsomehow.
It's true.

SPEAKER_09 (19:29):
That's how I deal with it.

SPEAKER_07 (19:30):
It's true.

SPEAKER_09 (19:32):
Um, I also like to be contrarian for contrarian's
sake, and so does Dan.
So, Sarah, I apologize inadvance.

SPEAKER_07 (19:37):
Oh boy, I'm really in for it, huh?

SPEAKER_04 (19:41):
What fun is constant agreement?
I mean, really.

SPEAKER_07 (19:44):
Yeah, but sometimes you disagree just to disagree,
and I I cannot wrap my head.
Like, this is not even justrecording.
Sometimes we watch a movie, andI feel like because I like it so
much, you just need to tear itdown.

SPEAKER_04 (19:56):
No, that that's not true.
See, that's I do think that's abit of a miss uh a misconception
about me.
Like I if I have the opinionabout it, I'm gonna give it to
you.
And if it's in if it's inopposition to what you think,
it's okay.
Yeah.
You know, it's just a differenceof opinion.

SPEAKER_07 (20:12):
And it could just be me so hardcore believing in my
point of view that I just cannotfathom you disagreeing.

SPEAKER_05 (20:18):
Also, I just want to point out that when uh when you
pointed out his um I'mforgetting the word.
My brain's Swiss cheese rightnow.
Irrelevant.
What are we talking about?
Irrelevance.
Being contrary, beingcontrarian.
So uh in the statement of himbeing contrarian, he had to
disagree.

SPEAKER_07 (20:38):
Yeah, of course.
You see what I'm saying?
You see what I'm saying here?

SPEAKER_09 (20:43):
I thought we were gonna be friends, but I mean,
Greg, you did win the points, soI feel like there's something
there.

SPEAKER_05 (20:51):
And I'm better about it.

SPEAKER_04 (20:53):
Fair enough.
Well, we'll see how this goesnext week when we turn the table
on the ladies, Dan.
I think we've really got to putsome thought into this because
we've got some paybacks arecoming.

SPEAKER_09 (21:02):
Yeah.
I think Sarah's gonna win thatone too.
I think we're you're dealingwith two people with serious
ADHD and memory problems on thisside.

SPEAKER_07 (21:10):
I don't know how intense my ADHD is though, too.

SPEAKER_04 (21:14):
And Sarah's memory problems.

SPEAKER_07 (21:16):
And I have horrible memory problems, but I remember
things about you.

SPEAKER_04 (21:19):
I have no excuse then.
No, it's like, um, we haven'tseen that movie, and I'll be
like, Yeah, we just watched thatlast Friday.
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_09 (21:26):
Yeah, I totally forget things we've already
seen.
Do you forget the ends of thingsthat you've read or seen?
Because that's my crappyproblem.
I'll be like, I love that.
I don't know how it ended.
I don't remember.

SPEAKER_07 (21:35):
I I will completely like I have to go back and read
my own book reviews to see whatI thought of the book and to see
what the book was about.

SPEAKER_05 (21:44):
Someone's like, how did you feel about that book?
And it's like, hold on, I gottacheck my website.

SPEAKER_07 (21:48):
You you're gonna need to go to our website and
look it up because I couldn'ttell you.
I don't know.
But I rate it right after I readit and I write a little review.
You don't want to know what Ithink.
So there's like two to threebooks a week.
That's incredible though.

SPEAKER_04 (22:03):
Okay, contrarian.
Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (22:06):
I do read a lot, so I do there's a lot of sleep in
your brain cells.

SPEAKER_09 (22:09):
Yeah, yeah.
I don't have that experience.
I read like one book a month andit's still gone forever, and all
the movies I've ever seen.
What's it like to date yourpodcaster, co-podcaster?
That's a great question.

SPEAKER_07 (22:22):
I would say it's extremely romantic.

unknown (22:24):
Really?

SPEAKER_07 (22:25):
Yeah.
Don't you love staring across atyour person?

unknown (22:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (22:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (22:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (22:32):
Well, but I mean it's cool that like this is like
our hobby that we do together.
Like in a we share it with themasses.
Like anyone can listen to it,but it's kind of our little
hobby.
It's like our time together thatwe we talk about things.

SPEAKER_04 (22:45):
Yeah.
I think you know, it's it's likejust a fun creative outlet to
have another conversation aboutthe things that you kind of
normally do.
So we, you know, read books,which I do very limitedly, but I
have been an voracious movieconsumer my entire life.
So to kind of mash up all of themedia that we both enjoy and to
be able to talk about it everyweek and then share it with

(23:06):
people and it hopefully beinteresting and hopefully it's
funny.
Um, it's just, you know, it'slike a I don't know, to be like
weirdly mushy about it.
Like it's just it's like a goodbonding thing, I think, as a
couple, and it just kind ofalways keeps bringing us back
together, even when I sayilrelevant things and can be
quite a contrarian and anasshole.

SPEAKER_07 (23:25):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (23:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (23:26):
And and to be fair, I can be very oversensitive to
our disagreements on thepodcast, get very emotional and
passionate about it in themoment.
That's what makes it good,though.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (23:39):
We're turning this into therapy today.
Yeah, you two fighting over itfollows was like my favorite
that I've listened to of the twoof you.
It was great.
Oh God, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (23:49):
Uh Sarah was so convinced she was gonna hate
that movie when she walked intoit.
She's like, I hated this thefirst time I saw it.
And then it was just like shewas like, Oh, maybe it's not so
bad.
And then by the end, she's like,I hate it again.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (23:58):
And yet somehow you convinced me to watch it.
Like, that's that is the magicof your did you did you watch it
since you've listened to it?
No, not yet.

unknown (24:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_09 (24:06):
But I'm going to, and I'm gonna have thoughts
about it.
I honestly have a very strongbias in siding with you, Sarah,
already.
So I don't know that I'm anobjective observer.

SPEAKER_07 (24:17):
I can't disagree with you, obviously.
I think that that is probablywise.
Um I don't want to be contrarianlike Greg.

SPEAKER_04 (24:24):
No, sure, sure, sure.
What what do you guys findchallenging working together and
and you know, trying to createsomething fun and and engaging?

SPEAKER_05 (24:33):
Um the podcast is our zombie.
And sometimes just like a realbaby, it requires a lot of care
and keeps you up at night.
Um and I think the hardest thingis just uh how much uh time I
need to put into it on at leaston on my side of things, and how

(24:54):
little time I actually have forreal life.
So like uh most most uh weekdaysI'm like I I have to shovel food
into my mouth as fast as I canand then dive straight first
into bed.
And then uh as soon as I hit thebed, I just bounce right off of
it and jump back into my shoesand go back to work.

SPEAKER_09 (25:17):
And in between those ones when Dan hits uh his head
on the pillow, I look at himreally intently and be like,
Dan, what do you think aboutthis episode idea?
And I'm like what?

SPEAKER_06 (25:29):
Yes.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:31):
I think that I think that's a good point though.
Like if I'm we didn't reallytalk about challenges, but I
think it is like that sort ofalways on of the podcast nature.
Like we're always kind of likebrainstorming and thinking and
throwing ideas, and Sarah'salways like way deeper into it
than I am.
And you know, it is it is achallenge to sometimes either
turn it off or just you know,remove yourself from it a little

(25:53):
bit because you're alwaysthinking about churning content.
Yeah, you know, and that's it'somnipresent.

SPEAKER_05 (26:00):
Yeah, and there's just there's so many things you
have to put thought into.
So like to have two brainsworking on it at the same time
is really helpful.
Um, you know, before before allthis, I I did have like uh you
know, I I made I made my livingas an online entertainer for a
little while.
Not as a famous one, um, but asone that was doing well enough

(26:24):
to pay their very uh cheap rent.

SPEAKER_00 (26:30):
That's awesome though.

SPEAKER_05 (26:31):
And then sometimes eat.
And uh and I if I if I look atwhat we do right now and like
how long we've been doing it,how much work goes into it, I
think I would have given up along time ago if I didn't have
Leah here to one, keep me goingduring especially hard times
where I'm just like I just wantto turn off the world.

(26:54):
Um, and also to take a lot ofthat mental load of all the all
the things you have to take intoconsideration when you're
building uh an online communitybecause it's it can be
overwhelming.

SPEAKER_07 (27:06):
You know, I totally agree with that because I had a
podcast before this as well, andI wasn't making enough money to
pay my rent or pay my, you know,so you're you're way ahead of me
on that.
But I have experience doingsomething like this, and then in
this experience with Greg, I'vehad that exact same feeling.
Like I would totally quit if Ididn't have someone else with me

(27:28):
that cared about it as much as Idid.

SPEAKER_09 (27:30):
A hundred percent.
Because sometimes the burnout'sreal, and like I need to lean on
Dan to be like, all right, whatare we doing this week?
I have to have another idea.
Also, my great idea last week'snot gonna last as a month.
Like, I have to come out withsomething else.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (27:42):
Yeah.
And also, there's like mostcreative endeavors that you that
you take on as a as a person,it's like an internal experience
set.
Like you don't really realizethat your thoughts and your work
that you're putting intosomething doesn't necessarily
transmit to anyone around you.
So it's just like it's insideyour head and that's where it

(28:03):
lives.
Um but because Leah and I areboth working on this, um, you
know, it's it's dailyconversation, like what's going
on with it, how it's going, andlike what to do and what good
ideas there are.

SPEAKER_09 (28:17):
And just to widen the lens a little bit, I'm
really excited that we'regetting to know you two because
already, especially you and I,Sarah, because we're, I don't
know, less busy than Greg andDan, maybe.

unknown (28:28):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 (28:28):
Yeah, um, or just better at texting, but we've had
already had some goodconversations just around like
what it's like to do this.
Um, you definitely inspired meto try some new things, like
talking to people who arefamous, which terrifies me.
Um and I just like that'salready widened my circle too.
So I feel like now I have a minicouple podcaster support support
group.

SPEAKER_07 (28:48):
Oh, well, good.
Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 (28:51):
I want to ask a couple of personal questions
outside of this, though.
So you guys are personalquestions.
Oh my god.
Yeah, but so it's no surprise,right?
You guys are based out ofVermont, correct?
Yep.
And you're in Michigan, right?
We are.

SPEAKER_07 (29:03):
Michigan, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (29:04):
Right now, everybody knows where we live.

SPEAKER_04 (29:06):
I know.

SPEAKER_07 (29:07):
Oh shit.
All right, so our address isslow down.

SPEAKER_04 (29:12):
Um, I wanted to ask, because we we had a side
conversation about this, butwhat makes Vermont an amazing
place for craft beer?
And what would you recommend topeople who visit?

SPEAKER_09 (29:22):
Oh my god, we are the worst people to ask this
question.
Oh, really?
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_07 (29:27):
Ask her, ask her Ben and Jerry's.
I'm gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_09 (29:29):
Well, I can I have an answer for you, but it has
nothing to do with quality ofbeer because I hate beer.
I've tried, I've tried to loveit.
Something about it and cut thisout.
No, but there is a you couldcome to the Harpoon Brewery,
which is relatively close to us,so we could hang out, and then
you could tell me if you thinkit's good beer while I drink
their root beer on top of this,which is good.

SPEAKER_05 (29:52):
And I mostly I mostly drink whiskey anyway, so
it's uh I I used to like beer alot.
Um and I don't know if this isjust a Vermont thing or if this
is something that has plaguedthe entire beer world.
Um, why the fuck is every beeran IPA?

SPEAKER_07 (30:11):
Oh my god, Greg says this all the time.

SPEAKER_05 (30:13):
Okay, I'm so glad because I love I like stout.
I I like box, I like dark beerwith foam on top.
And uh it feels like I can'tfind it anywhere.

SPEAKER_07 (30:25):
Anytime I see nitro stout on the menu, that's what
I'm getting.

SPEAKER_05 (30:29):
Yeah.
Um but also I I I haven't reallyenjoyed drinking for a long time
because I I don't know.
I mean, maybe it's because Idrank too much and now it
doesn't affect me anymore, butlike like uh it it takes an
insane amount of alcohol for meto even feel a buzz.
Um and then as soon as it's inif if it does happen um after

(30:51):
said insane amount, um, it goesaway like within minutes, and
then I'm left with the hangover.

SPEAKER_09 (30:58):
Dan abused his liver very badly in his younger years.
And uh I would not believe thiswas true, except for that I have
witnessed it.
I'm like, why are you not drunk?
How is this possible?
It's kind of crazy.
Uh how is that bloody Mariahitting you?
It's tasty.
I'm feeling it.
I've got a little flush in thecheeks.
Oh, okay.
But I'm a lightweight.
What about it?

SPEAKER_07 (31:18):
You might have to take a break halfway through and
make another one, honestly.
That's okay with price.

SPEAKER_04 (31:22):
Of course.
Um, let me ask a betterquestion.
And since I really kind offunned it with the goal line
there.
What is your uh sort of likeMount Rushmore of zombie
content?
Like if you guys had to picklike three or four things about
the zombie content that you haveconsumed over your lives, like
what are your personal favoritesin that in that genre?

SPEAKER_05 (31:43):
That is way too big of a question.

SPEAKER_09 (31:46):
Let's just say them instead of explaining why.

SPEAKER_05 (31:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_09 (31:49):
Uh Day of the Dead.

SPEAKER_05 (31:51):
Okay.
Yeah.
Romero in general.

SPEAKER_09 (31:53):
All Romero, yeah.
Which I'm a late comer to Romeroand I because I've got my movie,
sure.
Um what else?

SPEAKER_05 (32:01):
The 28 series.

SPEAKER_09 (32:03):
Stinkyo.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (32:05):
Love it.
Uh The Walking Dead.

SPEAKER_09 (32:06):
I would add Blood Quantum, that's my all-time
favorite zombie movie.
Yeah.
Oh, I haven't seen that.
It's really good because of thesocial commentary, and it's the
kind of it's unfortunate the thewriter and creator uh died, but
I think and I it's unfortunatethat he died, period.
I guess I should say that.
But I'm also sad because I thinkthat it could have been a
full-blown series that wouldhave been really successful.

(32:27):
Or a Netflix series.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:29):
Oh, that's not that it couldn't still be.

SPEAKER_09 (32:32):
I gotta turn that around on YouTube though.
Like, do you have an all-timefavorite horror book or movie?

SPEAKER_04 (32:38):
Well, I'll let Sarah marinate on that because that
might that might be harder forher.
But for me, the apex of horroris always starts and ends with
The Exorcist.
Oh, yeah.
The William Friedkin film.
Um, not only is it an awesomehorror movie, but it is just an
amazing film in terms of likeproduction and sound design and
music and everything else.

SPEAKER_07 (32:59):
Like it is special effects for the time, practical
special effects.

SPEAKER_04 (33:03):
Apex filmmaking.

SPEAKER_07 (33:04):
I mean, not fun for the people on set.

SPEAKER_04 (33:07):
No, no, people got abused, but Ellen Burst maimed a
couple times.
Um Freakan slapped a priest.

SPEAKER_07 (33:16):
Oh my god.
So we were doing our liveunboxing of the indie uh the our
um every month we do an indieauthor spotlight.
We did a live unboxing this pastweek or this past month with
Emily.
My friend Emily was with mebecause Greg was out of town.
And I was telling her, I waslike, Yeah, like, did you know
Freakan like he he was like veryabusive as a director?

(33:37):
And and Emily was like, Yeah, Ithink a lot of directors, and I
was like, No, he like punched apriest started laughing, and I
was laughing too, but I waslike, I'm serious, yeah.
He really it was a real priest,too.

SPEAKER_04 (33:49):
It was a real priest, he wasn't getting the
performance out of him hewanted, so he slapped him.

SPEAKER_07 (33:53):
And he and it was perfect, and it was used in the
sh in the final they used.

SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
Yep.

SPEAKER_07 (33:58):
Sometimes you gotta make sausage, yeah.
That's correct.
Yeah, you don't want to know howthe sausage is made, you gotta
get out of the kitchen.
You can't take the heat.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:07):
The only other thing I'd add to my list is I
unabashedly love all thingsalien.
So it's a huge.
It starts with Ridley Scott'salien, you know, back in 1979,
and even the bad movies arestill delicious to me.
I love them all.

SPEAKER_07 (34:21):
For me, I think I mean I would say the Exorcist
for the book, too.
The book is phenomenal as well.
I think, yeah, I think theExorcist is the apex of horror.
I I can't my favorite isNightmare on Elm Street, but
that's just because that's gotlike a special place in my
heart.
Do you know I've never watchedit?
Oh my god, we need to do a movienight then.

(34:42):
Sold.
I need to re-watch it.
I haven't watched it in a longtime.
I this is how fucked up I am.
I used to put on the nightmareon Elm Street to fall asleep
too.
It was like one of the moviesthat I just watched so many
times.
It's like literally, yeah, it'slike my comfort movie.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I knowevery single line in that movie.

SPEAKER_05 (35:02):
Yeah, um ironic that you uh chose the movie where
falling asleep is the thing.

SPEAKER_07 (35:07):
Yeah, I know.
That'll get you.
I don't know why it just it juststuck to me, and I was like, I
just love this movie, and Ineeded sound to fall asleep too,
and it just was Freddie Krueger.
Yeah, I think what I've done.
It was Ross Galentina.

SPEAKER_09 (35:20):
Something I've realized from doing this podcast
and and uh is that I have areally strong bias against
movies earlier than the 2000s,and I'm wrong.
Oh yeah, that's I mean TheExorcist, I would have agreed
with you hands down, anyways.
I also read the book as a young,like I don't know how old I was,
like 12.
That was too young.
Um, but yeah, excellent book.
But I I refuse to watchanything, George Romero and

(35:43):
Nightmare on Elm Street, samething.
I'm like, that's old.
I refuse, and I've learned thatI am wrong.
Oh yeah.
This never happens.
Yeah, yeah.
Enjoy it, Dan.
I'm c I'm wrong.
I'm saying it on air.
I am enjoying it.

SPEAKER_05 (35:57):
This is delicious.

SPEAKER_07 (35:59):
There's definitely there's some biases about like
we were talking last night aboutum like how a lot of Americans
don't like to watch foreignfilms with like subtitles on
them, or they didn't used to.
Now everybody watches thingswith captions on them.

SPEAKER_09 (36:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (36:14):
But um, we were trying to watch a movie last
night, a French movie, and everyversion of it on every streaming
service was dubbed.
And I was so annoyed.
I was like, I cannot watchanything dubbed.
I just can't do it.

SPEAKER_04 (36:27):
But then we got happy through the movie and it
was subtitled, and they werestill speaking French.
So it was like the captioningpeople got fired maybe halfway
through post-production.

SPEAKER_09 (36:35):
They were like, this is exhausting.
Let's just you know what's worseis when they have like because I
need the captions on and I needthe dubbing because I can't I
can't pay that level ofattention unless it is the
pinnacle of movies.
I can't do it.
My brain will not let me.
So I can't be like looking atthe screen and reading only.
But they're never the same.
That's what upsets me.
Yeah, is the audio dub and thecaption dub is not the same, or

(36:58):
not the translation caption isnot the same.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (37:02):
I never watch things dubbed if I can avoid it.
Last night I couldn't avoid it.
But I can't, I can't, I hate dubbecause the voice doesn't match
the person.
That irritates me.

SPEAKER_05 (37:14):
Yeah, like you're watching somebody that looks
like they should have like anasally voice, and it's like we
have to go fight the bad guynow.

SPEAKER_07 (37:22):
Or even just like uh the little things like the mouth
is still moving and the voice isnot like that irritates the shit
out of me.

SPEAKER_04 (37:29):
That's my favorite was like, you know, Beverly
Hills cop with Eddie Murphy.
Eddie Murphy has a verydistinctive voice,
pronunciation, and laugh.
And when they would, you know,at some point in the 90s, they
took Beverly Hills Cop and theydubbed it and took out all the
swear words so they could put iton cable, and they chose like
the whitest, I can remember.

(37:50):
And I wouldn't watch it just tolaugh my ass off.
But it would be like, you know,you'd be like, get the fuck out
of here, and it would be likethis really like Hey, get out of
here.
Nope.
Like, hey, why don't you leave?
Horrible, you know.

SPEAKER_07 (38:02):
Hey, you bozo, get out of here.

SPEAKER_05 (38:04):
You know what movie I watched that I absolutely
loved the made-for-tv version ofit because of the dubs over the
um swear words was PineappleExpress.
Oh, okay.
I wish I could remembereverything, but they they would
uh they would uh replacemotherfucker with Melon Farmer.
And it was hilarious.

(38:25):
Like they they got reallycreative with the dubs.
It was unfortunate.
It was amazing.
I want to watch it again now.

SPEAKER_07 (38:31):
This is a total aside, and I'm sorry, editing
this podcast is gonna suck ass.

SPEAKER_05 (38:35):
But it's not staying in.

SPEAKER_07 (38:37):
Yeah, we're not bringing up Beverly Hills Cop.
Have you ever seen the movieBeverly Hills Ninja?
No, Chris Farley?

SPEAKER_05 (38:43):
No, my opinion.
Once a very long time ago, and Idon't remember anything.

SPEAKER_07 (38:47):
Okay, well, basically it was like Chris
Farley is this white ninja, andhe's a he's a fat oaf, clumsy
oaf, and he's not a ninja atall, but he thinks he is.
And he would just show up in aroom and say, Here I am, Sally
Jones, because the other maingirl, her name was Sally Jones.
My name is Sarah Jones.
And my brother used to pop outof any room and go, Here I am,

(39:11):
Sarah Jones.
David, of course.
Anyway, that was just the thighthat I thought was funny.

SPEAKER_09 (39:20):
Now I know what I'm gonna do the next time I if I
receive you in person, I'm gonnalike make sure that pop out.
Yeah, just do a cartwheel into aroom.

SPEAKER_06 (39:27):
It won't be a cartwheel.

SPEAKER_09 (39:28):
It'll be a really bad um what's the baby cartwheel
where you just sort of like rollover your head?
I don't know.
That'll somersault.
Yeah, I'll I'll somersault intothe room.

SPEAKER_04 (39:41):
Uh we'll we'll we'll come to Vermont one day.
We'll stand outside of a craftbrewery that we will not drink
at.
No, we'll drink there, theywon't.
We'll stand in the parking lotand you can just yell at her.

SPEAKER_07 (39:51):
Yeah, and I'll just be eating Ben and Jerry's
drinking beer.

SPEAKER_04 (39:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (39:55):
That's perfect.

SPEAKER_05 (39:56):
I I gotta go back to the craft beer thing.
There is this um like brew pubthat is in Brattleboro, I want
to say, and their whole thing issour beer.
And like that's like the thename of the place is like
something about sour beer, uh,some kind of pun.
And I'm like, do we want this?

(40:17):
Are there people going here foran unpleasant experience?

SPEAKER_04 (40:21):
Yeah, right.
It's like, hey, why don't youjust drink a glass of vinegar
and call it a day?

SPEAKER_09 (40:25):
Yeah, that's how I feel about beer completely.
I don't understand it at all.
Oh yeah.
I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_05 (40:31):
Anyways, I I had to go back there because I I'm
upset about it.

SPEAKER_09 (40:36):
Hey, forgiven.

SPEAKER_04 (40:37):
Maybe this is the a lot of divisive things in the
beer world.

SPEAKER_09 (40:41):
Yeah.
I think this is the moment totransition to our book.

SPEAKER_04 (40:44):
I think it's let's do that.
I have one last thing though,okay?
I no no, because this this thisreally cracked me up.
We watched Zombie on Tubi acouple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_07 (40:54):
Like Zombie 2.

SPEAKER_04 (40:56):
Yeah, yeah.
So um the other movies that wererecommended after this, I found
some other zombie-relatedmovies, and I was curious if you
guys had seen these because theyjust stood out to me.
So the first one was The Coedand the Zombie Stripper.
Are you familiar?

SPEAKER_05 (41:12):
No.
I've I've seen it advertised onTubi.

SPEAKER_01 (41:16):
Oh yes.

unknown (41:17):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (41:18):
Four MILFs versus Zombies.

SPEAKER_09 (41:20):
Also saw that advertised on Tubi, but have not
watched.

SPEAKER_05 (41:24):
Well, that was a WTF moment for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (41:26):
These all were like what WTFs for me when I saw
them.
I was like, I just forgot to.

SPEAKER_07 (41:30):
The next ones I feel like sounded really actually
cinematically.

SPEAKER_04 (41:33):
The last one is amazing.
It's called Zombie Ass.
I knew it.
Colon, Toilet of the Dead.
Yeah, I knew Colonel Classic.
As you see, I really want towatch it just out of stupidity.

SPEAKER_05 (41:47):
When we first started our podcast, we promised
that we might consider watchingit.
Then we watched the trailer andwe were like, absolutely fucking
not.

SPEAKER_07 (41:57):
Can you repeat the title one more time?

SPEAKER_04 (41:58):
Fair enough.
Zombie ass, Toilet of the Dead.

SPEAKER_07 (42:02):
And it's about zombie poop.

SPEAKER_04 (42:03):
I have no idea.

SPEAKER_07 (42:04):
Watch it.

SPEAKER_04 (42:06):
We're gonna we're gonna have to watch the trailer
now.

SPEAKER_09 (42:08):
I'm gonna have to watch the movie.

SPEAKER_05 (42:10):
The trail the trailer's very upsetting.

SPEAKER_09 (42:12):
Again, maybe this is another um movie watch party
mashup where we can like suffertogether through this.
Because I I don't know.
It's I just thinking about thetrailer upsets me.

SPEAKER_07 (42:22):
So I would need some I'd need moral support.
I love upsetting.

SPEAKER_05 (42:26):
I'm gonna I'm gonna paint a picture for you, and
this is gonna get you ready towatch this trailer because I
feel like you can't just go incold turkey.

SPEAKER_07 (42:33):
I'm rearing and ready to go.

SPEAKER_05 (42:35):
I'm glad you said that because here's here's what
to expect.
I'm gonna rearin' zombies ontheir hands and feet, uh-huh,
not crawling, but like walkingon their hands and feet
backwards towards you with theintention of shitting diarrhea
all over you to turn you intoone projectile.

SPEAKER_04 (42:58):
Yes.
So they're like like little crabwalking diarrhea cannons.
Exactly.
Oh I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 (43:04):
I think that there's something that's beautiful about
that that I think we canexplore.

SPEAKER_04 (43:08):
You are you are ill.
You need help.

SPEAKER_05 (43:11):
Oh, let us let us know if we if if we need to
rethink Zombie's Toilet of theDead.
I think it could be.

SPEAKER_04 (43:20):
All right, I'll I'll stop derailing the conversation.
Let's move on to some warmbodies.

SPEAKER_07 (43:26):
Okay, so let's get into the book, Warm Bodies.
Let's it's about time, right?

SPEAKER_04 (43:31):
It's let's move into it.
Is that what we're doing?

SPEAKER_07 (43:32):
Did you do a recap?
That's what we're here for, Ibelieve.

SPEAKER_04 (43:35):
Okay.
I don't know.
We we might have a sub pod we'vebeen creating the last 40
minutes.
I think there's something goodthere.
Oh, I should have read thisbook.

SPEAKER_07 (43:45):
Don't worry, we'll fill you in.

SPEAKER_04 (43:46):
Okay.
Yeah.
I'll fake it.
We're gonna make it really goodfor you by the end.

SPEAKER_07 (43:49):
Fake it till you make it, Dan.

SPEAKER_04 (43:51):
Yeah, I'll just fake it.

SPEAKER_07 (43:52):
Okay, great.
Do you have a recap?

SPEAKER_04 (43:54):
The world has gone to shit, and a zombie contagion
has ravaged society, leavingonly the living, the undead, and
the bonies to wander the planet.
R, or is it, is a member of theundead population who enjoys the
simple life, staring at a wallwith his good friend M,
listening to old records in hisairplane home, riding escalators

(44:16):
and eating brains.
But one day, while out searchingfor human happy meals, R meets a
girl named Julie, and his entireidea of what constitutes an
afterlife is changed.
Isaac Marion's novel Warm Bodiesfollows R, Julie, and a mispic
collection of the living andundead as they fall in love,
listen to Sinatra, eat Thaifood, evade the authorities, and

(44:36):
ask the age-old question Ischange truly possible?
And if so, at what cost?

SPEAKER_09 (44:41):
Hmm.
That was a great recap, Greg.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (44:45):
Yeah, I'm cleared up a little bit.
Dan, I got your back.
I I know everything I need toknow to get through this
episode.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:54):
Thai food, Sinatra, escalated.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (44:58):
What's it called?
The Spark Notes.

SPEAKER_04 (45:00):
Cliff's notes.

SPEAKER_07 (45:01):
Cliff's notes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (45:02):
There you go.
Okay.
Where do you want where do wewant to start this conversation
then?

SPEAKER_09 (45:06):
I want to know about these Coven cocktails that y'all
do for books that you'rereading.

SPEAKER_07 (45:10):
Yes.
So for every book that we read,we do a Coven cocktail and we do
a Coven mocktail for our sobersinners because you don't have
to poison yourself to have fun.
Um but some of us like to poisonourselves and that's fine too.
So for the Coven Cocktails, wedecided early on, all four of
us, that we would do coldbloodies in warm bodies.

(45:32):
It was just too clever to passup.
So we're all drinking BloodyMary's today, I think.
Is that right?

SPEAKER_09 (45:38):
Bloody Maria over here, thanks to your suggestion.
Me too.

SPEAKER_07 (45:42):
With or Mezcal makes it even smokier.
But then I I made a mocktailoption and I called it Zom B
Mine Mocktail.
You know, like the little beemine like Valentine's Day heart.

SPEAKER_00 (45:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (45:54):
And then for the for the cocktail outside of the cold
bloodies, I did Julie'scontraband Greyhound.
Because you might remember Julietook some mini vodka from the
747 that was R's home and madeGreyhounds at the Juice Bar
where R actually gets drunk andis stumbling down the street at
some point in the book.

SPEAKER_09 (46:13):
And this is in a sober society.
You're not supposed to getdrunk.

SPEAKER_07 (46:16):
You're not supposed to do that.
So it's contraband.
So of course it had to beincluded.

SPEAKER_09 (46:21):
It was a perfect one, and if I had had the
ingredients, I would have madeit.
I actually think I'm going totry Julie's contraband greyhound
sometime.

SPEAKER_07 (46:27):
Not a lot of people have just grapefruit juice
sitting around if you don'tyou're not a bartender.

SPEAKER_05 (46:33):
Do you think it's good or a greyhound?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (46:36):
Yeah, I've had a greyhound, they're great.

SPEAKER_04 (46:38):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (46:39):
I enjoy them.

SPEAKER_04 (46:40):
Yeah, because you could do grapefruit, you could
do pink grapefruit.
You know, you could kind of mixit up.
There's other kinds ofgrapefruit.
Ruby red?
Sure.
Well, there's I think so.
Yes.
What other colors of grapefruitare there?

SPEAKER_07 (46:54):
Golden grapefruit.
I'm I might be lying, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 (46:58):
Goldschlager grapefruit.

unknown (47:00):
Goldschlager.

SPEAKER_07 (47:01):
Yeah, goldschlager is great.
Fuck.
That sounds gross.
Grapefizer.
That sounds the most repugnant.
Okay, so let's get into thewriting style and tone of this
book.
Let's get serious.
I don't know if we're capable ofthat.
What's that?

SPEAKER_09 (47:18):
I don't know if we're capable of being serious.
This is not the podcast forserious, but we're gonna power
through anyways.

SPEAKER_07 (47:23):
I have to say this book, the prose of it reminded
me of reading Mickey Seven.
It's a book we read a couplebooks ago.
It was very, very similar, butthere's like this dreaminess and
this dark, dry, subdued sense ofhumor that I really dug.
Yeah, I yeah, I would agree.

SPEAKER_09 (47:41):
My problem was I was listening to the audiobook, and
I was like, this this narratoris deliberately talking slowly
like a zombie.
And I was like, I was kind oftaking it, but actually I had it
at 60% speed.

SPEAKER_01 (47:56):
So I thought it was part of the tone of the audio
book in about halfway through.

SPEAKER_05 (48:02):
Wow, that's right.
For for weeks, you're like, Ireally like how the narrator is
just like really slowing indown.
I'm like, yeah, I guess I guessyeah, I guess he's doing that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I always read with my earsbecause the only time that I
have to read is when I'm drivinga dump truck.

SPEAKER_07 (48:23):
Um that's right.

SPEAKER_05 (48:25):
They frown upon holding a book on your steering
wheel and reading while you'redriving.
Um have you seen how most peopledrive.

SPEAKER_07 (48:33):
It's a stupid question, Dan.

SPEAKER_05 (48:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (48:36):
What about the dump truck dump?
Is it is trash?
Is it trash?

SPEAKER_05 (48:42):
It could be.
It could be.
Actually, funny that you askthat question because a lot of
the trucks that my boss, um,who's a bit cheap, uh, that he
bought, he bought all these dumptrucks from uh from an auction.
And they'd taken all the decalsand logos off from the previous
owner of the truck, but you canstill make out the words on the

(49:03):
side of one of uh a few of themthat say municipal waste.
And I and whenever whenever heasked me about those dump
trucks, I'm like, I'm notdriving one of your fucking
green Mac garbage trucks everagain.
And he's like, they're not darkgarbage trucks.
I'm like, they say municipalwaste on them.
Don't tell me they're notgarbage trucks.

SPEAKER_07 (49:24):
But uh I dump sand, rocks, garbage trucks for
municipal waste would dumpprobably not just trash, but
like bodies.
It's a lot of there's a lot ofmob activity with municipal
waste.

SPEAKER_05 (49:39):
Yeah, that's true.
Uh Tony Soprano uh was a garbageman.

SPEAKER_07 (49:43):
You were just telling me.
My mom was the secretary formunicipal waste Detroit.
Really?
And she was like, it was themob.

SPEAKER_05 (49:50):
So you're so your mom's your mom's connected.

SPEAKER_07 (49:53):
Somewhat.
If you ask her, yes.
If you ask me, no.

SPEAKER_05 (49:57):
There were no dots.

SPEAKER_07 (49:59):
That's true.
No, but she did get likedesigner purses and stuff from
her boss.

SPEAKER_05 (50:03):
She was connected.
Put together the dots here.
Designer, yeah.
Yeah, coming home with brand newdesigner purses, saying that
she's not part of the mob.
The name of her boss.

SPEAKER_04 (50:17):
Don't stop.
Sorry.
Okay.
All right, I'm done.
Too much.
Oversharing.
You're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_09 (50:23):
Greg, what did you think about the style and tone?

SPEAKER_04 (50:25):
I well, I was gonna piggyback on Sarah's thinking in
that.
I loved the humor in this book alot, and it felt like there's
kind of like two levels to it.
There's sort of the madcap zanyvibe, almost slapsticky that
happens from time to time, likevery weekend at Bernie's type
humor.

SPEAKER_06 (50:41):
Yep.
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 (50:42):
Um, and then there's also like this deadpan
observational humor, uh, which Iprobably enjoyed a little bit
more, but just the way R seesthings, the way he comments on
them uh throughout the entirebook was just infinitely
enjoyable to me.
And it gives the book a uniqueperspective and a unique voice
that I didn't expect it to have.
So it like Sarah was mentioningMickey 7, which is all from

(51:06):
Mickey's perspective, and it'skind of the same observational
type humor to kind of bring thatall together.
Um it's it's just it's it's areally fun, lighthearted,
humorous read, and I dug thehell out of it for that.

SPEAKER_05 (51:20):
Yeah.
I I I also really like the thethe writing style and
everything.
Um like my favorite type ofstories aren't always first
person, and as far as zombiestories goes, I don't really
always enjoy from the point ofview of the zombie.
Um but because of the way thatthis was written, I found it

(51:43):
really entertaining because itwas funny and insightful and
heartfelt in moments, eventhough the main character is
literally uh walking corpse.

SPEAKER_07 (51:52):
So just uh you saying that, have you read other
books that are from theperspective of the zombie?

SPEAKER_05 (51:58):
Um I I'm not recalling names right now of
them because my brain doesn'twork anymore.

SPEAKER_06 (52:05):
This isn't a pop quiz.
Like, listen, enough.

SPEAKER_05 (52:10):
Uh but yeah, there's there are a few of them out
there.
Um Okay.
And I mostly I've I've heard alot of like uh like works in
progress uh that you know peoplepeople will tell me they're
works in progress sometimes.
And when it's uh from the pointof view of a zombie, I've I'll
admit that I'm not totallyexcited about it.
Um but I you know this this isproving that you can take that

(52:34):
idea, and even though I wouldn'tnormally think that that would
be the point of view that Iwould want because I'm looking
for something else in the zombieapocalypse, um, I still enjoyed
it because it was well written.

SPEAKER_07 (52:45):
Aaron Powell Well, and I think a lot of like the
point of view of the zombie forhim was was metaphorical, like
it's moving through likedepression in that sense of like
existing but not living, whichwe could we can get to a little
bit more, yeah, a little bitmore later.

SPEAKER_05 (52:58):
Yeah, it definitely makes sense why why it's why
it's written in the way thatit's written, uh which is why I
would never say that it needs tobe changed.
But I I do think that this typeof story, like I I probably
would have picked it up a lotlonger ago if it was from the
perspective of survivors.

SPEAKER_09 (53:16):
It shows a bias, right?
Like it's the it's the kind ofthing you're looking for.
Yeah, it is a bias.

SPEAKER_07 (53:21):
But that's also I feel like more common for zombie
stories is that they're told forthe point of view of the
survivors.

SPEAKER_05 (53:26):
Yeah, it's true.
Um, but I'm basically Leah.

SPEAKER_07 (53:31):
I think you said that you had a lot of notes
about world building.

SPEAKER_09 (53:35):
I did because I was obsessed with the Zombie
Society, which you could onlyget from the point of view, like
from ours point of view.
Um I think you did it better,Greg.
Can you can you say his nameagain?

SPEAKER_04 (53:48):
It's tough to not make him sound like a pirate.
That's the hardest.
Right.

SPEAKER_09 (53:54):
Baby Jones.
Um it's a thin line.
It is, but it's worth it becauseit's a great, it's a great name.
I was very upset when theystarted calling him Archie.
I was like, that's not correct.
That's not his name.
I'm sure it's not his name.

SPEAKER_05 (54:06):
Well, he was also upset about that.

SPEAKER_09 (54:08):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Archie.
But I loved the Zombie Societyuh exactly for the metaphorical
reasons you were just talkingabout around depression, because
it was like it felt like a broadsocietal depression where these
zombies were just like mimickinghuman behaviors, like living
human behaviors.
Uh, like the fact that they weregetting married, they were
assigning children to eachother, they had rudimentary

(54:29):
friendships, but they were alldead.
Uh you know, the fascinated me.

SPEAKER_07 (54:34):
The whole part of like the whole marriage scene I
found really funny just becauseit was so deadpan, like I mean,
literally deadpan of just andthen they were married.
Like that's it.

SPEAKER_05 (54:44):
Isn't it because the conveyor belt stopped?

SPEAKER_07 (54:47):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (54:48):
And I mean that's that's a commentary in itself
how so many people get together.
It's just like they were just onthe conveyor belt at the same
time and it stopped at the righttime, and now you're married.

SPEAKER_04 (54:58):
Yeah, and like they handed you a couple kids and
you're right, and then you takeit a step further, and it's like
when you have kids, it's like Ifeel for so many of my friends
who have kids, it's like theirlives as people kind of do stop
when they start to have kids,and their lives are completely
consumed by the kids and what'simportant, and obviously the
kids become the most importantthing at that point, but they

(55:18):
sort of then stagnate at thatpoint, you know.
So I I think it works on a lotof levels to your point, Dan.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (55:24):
It's interesting as a couple talking to another
couple about this too.
Like, are are you guys married?
We are.
We're married.
You guys are married.
You are, we're not married, butyou guys don't have kids, right?

SPEAKER_09 (55:35):
No, we are we are intentionally child free.
Yeah, so are we.
We're dinks.

SPEAKER_06 (55:40):
What does dinks mean?

SPEAKER_09 (55:41):
Double income, no kids.
Although currently we're uhkids.
We are not a dink.
We're back to sinks.

unknown (55:48):
Sinks.

SPEAKER_07 (55:51):
Oh, that's hilarious.
Uh, but but so so are we.
We're like intentionallychild-free as a couple.
And it's interesting to talk toI mean, especially
woman-to-woman, Leah, that sensewhere you know you kind of get
that feedback as you get older,people being like, you're gonna
want kids someday, you're gonnaregret it, you should really
think about it.

(56:12):
And you kind of have to likebeat down that feedback for a
while until you just get pastit.

SPEAKER_09 (56:18):
But yeah, I've reached the age, Sarah, at 41,
where like people aren't askingme when I'm gonna have children
anymore, which is great.

SPEAKER_07 (56:24):
You're just like, oh bummer.
Yeah, I'm 45, so I feel likeit's coming.
It's it's fine.
Well, it's like I think I'mrounding that corner at 35 where
people have stopped asking me.
Like they're kind of like, Ithink you missed your window.

SPEAKER_05 (56:36):
Either that or they're they're really amping up
to be like, you're about to missyour window, so I'm gonna remind
you a lot about it.
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_07 (56:45):
They're just like, I assume you've been trying and it
hasn't been successful.

SPEAKER_09 (56:49):
So don't want to ask.
When my mom kept asking, Ifinally just looked at her and I
said, 'Are you going to raisethis thing because I'm not?' And
that shut her up.

SPEAKER_07 (56:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (56:58):
That was the end of that conversation.
But I think that was whatfascinated me about the world
building was this to me, it'slike a super clear parallel with
just going by society's dictatesof like these are the steps
you're supposed to go on.
And like whether you feelanything about it, whether it
makes you happy, whether there'sany meaning there, like a lot of
it is just people going up theescalator and then stopping with

(57:18):
kids and never being in aposition to ask whether that's
okay.
And the bonies, like the elders,the bonies are are like, um, no
offense, grandma and grandpa, Iknow you're dead.
But uh it's sometimes likeelders who are really stuck in
the traditions of like you haveto be this way.

SPEAKER_07 (57:34):
Yeah.
And I think too, it sayssomething that the guy who wrote
this book has lived such anon-conventional lifestyle that
he is criticizing society fromthe outside, looking in, being
like, What why do we do it likethis?
And I think as a couple of, inour own ways, non-conventional
couples reading this book andtalking about it, it's

(57:54):
interesting to look at itsocietally and just go, like,
you know what?
I think this is true for a lotof people that they just they
get married because they thinkthat's what they're supposed to
do, and then they have kidsbecause that's just kind of the
next step.
And it's just kind of thisnumbed out, undead lifestyle.

SPEAKER_05 (58:09):
Yeah.
Also, uh on the on the point ofthe boneys kind of being like
the the elderly, uh, I want topoint out that they also carry
around cameras and take picturesof things and then show you the
pictures.

SPEAKER_09 (58:22):
That really entertained me too.

SPEAKER_05 (58:23):
Like and that's I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_04 (58:25):
I remember it.
It's just it's it was such aweird thing.

SPEAKER_07 (58:29):
I don't remember that at all.
Yeah.
But so that's that's just thatparallel of people being like,
see, here's my grandkid.
It's like proof that you did it.

SPEAKER_09 (58:36):
Even more rigid than that, they were taking pictures,
uh, they took pictures ofbasically like the massacre,
humans massacring zombies, andit was their way of saying,
like, these are the enemy, Julieis the enemy, and just setting
up that parallel.

SPEAKER_07 (58:49):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_09 (58:50):
And that there can't be any other way.
Like, this is this is what itis, this is what we do.
We hate humans.
Also, you have to sort of likefake fuck each other and be
assigned children.
One boy, one girl.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What did you all think of theairport as the the choice in
terms of like being the primaryhome and world of the zombies?

SPEAKER_07 (59:09):
Yeah, I didn't really even think about that
until you just said that, butit's interesting because that is
like symbolically like alaunching off point of like
exploration, and they're juststuck there.
That's an interesting point.
I hadn't really thought aboutthat.

SPEAKER_04 (59:21):
I didn't really think about it much aside from
just liking as I was readingthrough it, like I could put
myself there, you know.
Like I try I travel a decentamount for work and stuff.
So I think about all theairports and all the places I go
and sort of like how there is somuch there in terms of it being
its own society, you know, andbut yet there's these pockets
and the planes and the jetwaysand all this kind of stuff.

(59:44):
And so I this is an incrediblysimplistic view, but I just I
loved it as a setting because itfelt very visual and very um
identifiable to me.
And you know, and in particular,I just love with the bonies when
they have the marriage.
Ceremony.
It's like R and his wife justkind of stumble into it, and
it's like they're all just outon the tarmac somewhere, and

(01:00:06):
they're just encircled by likethe um the the the escalators or
whatever, like the the ummotorized staircases and stuff,
and they're just encircled, andthey're like, All right, we've
got you, here you are, and nowyou're married.
And it was just romantic.
I mean, when we you know, if weever do it, that's the way it's
gonna be.
It's just gonna be out of thetarmac.

SPEAKER_09 (01:00:26):
Can we please come to that?
Can I dress up like a bony?
Sure.
Can I officiate as a bony?
I've officiated wetters.
I'm inserting myself in this.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:36):
Uh no, if we get married, it's going to be an
elopement, and I think it'll beus alone.

SPEAKER_09 (01:00:42):
That's what we did.
Yeah.
You did?
Yeah.
Oh, that's awesome.
During COVID, so that there wasno no one could fight back about
it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:51):
Also, we didn't tell them until like a few weeks
after.

SPEAKER_09 (01:00:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:53):
Oh, that's we honestly, I think that's how we
would probably do it too.
Because I have a huge IrishCatholic family, and I wouldn't
even want to talk about like,we're not doing a ceremony,
we're not doing anything.
It would be like, oh, we didn'ttell you?
Oh, yeah, no, we've beenmarried.
That happened already a whileago.
Shit.

SPEAKER_09 (01:01:12):
Sorry, I thought you knew.
It makes taxes easier.
We bought a house that year, andso we were like, we need to get
this done.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:19):
So we don't so romantic.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:23):
So romantic.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:24):
It's an equation at that point.
You're like, this is great.
This works for us.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:27):
So something that I found really interesting too
about the world building of thisbook was the secondhand living
for the zombies.
The way that the memories kindof explode through his
consciousness after tasting thebrains of the living, I thought
was really well done.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:42):
I didn't I didn't see that coming.
Like, I don't know.
Like, and uh, you know, Dan andLee, I kind of wanted to throw
this at you guys, and Danmentioned it a little bit
earlier.
Like, this is a very differenttype of zombie story, not only
from being from oursperspective, but sort of how
fast and loose and malleable therules of the zombie world are,

(01:02:03):
um, and and what Isaac Marion isdoing with those rules.
How did you guys sort of like,you know, as aficionados and
with your encyclopedic knowledgeof the zombie thing thing?
That's good English.
Zombie zombie of the zombiegenre in the world.
Like, how did you guys were youcool with it?
Did it did it work for you?
Did it not work for you?
Were there too manyincongruities with what you

(01:02:24):
consider like the zombie space?

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:27):
Um so uh you know, going back to what I was saying
a long time ago, uh it feelslike at this point, uh about
like having like uh like a biasabout what kind of story that I
want to consume.
And a lot of times I would Iwould be like what I would call
like uh like a uh a purist, youknow, like you have to have your

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Romero rules and they they haveto be um accurate with what we
agree zombies are, and that'swhat I want.
But so many books are sodifferent, so like you have to
be very malleable with uh howyou feel about the rules, as
long as they don't violate themtoo badly.

SPEAKER_09 (01:03:08):
As long as there are rules, if they if they've
created rules and they stick tothem and they're believable to
me, then I'm okay with it.
Like if I didn't feel that way,then I would have hated 28 years
later, which a lot of people didbecause they're like this is too
different.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:20):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_09 (01:03:20):
I wasn't expecting this, and now I'm mad.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:22):
So um yeah.
This one I you know we have likea uh a ranking of like how maybe
not a ranking, but like a guidethat tells us like how zombies
can be classified from the uhthe government um document uh
con plan eighty eight eightyeight, which is the government's

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plan for dealing with a zombieoutbreak.
Is that a real thing?
Is that real?
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:50):
Really?
Are you fucking kidding?
Are you serious?

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:54):
It is serious, and we did an episode about it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:56):
Um it's way back there.
Yeah, way way back.
I will go find it because now Iam so that's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:02):
I can't believe that's real.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:03):
So it's a real thing, and and and what it is,
it's more of a training documentfor officers that are making a
battle plan and they think thatthey're like, you know, it's
kind of just fun to just talkabout zombies.
So, in that, there is a way totell who your enemy is.
Like if you're dealing with a uhuh a virally infected zombie, a

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fungal zombie.
And in this case, I think thezombies that we're dealing with
in warm bodies are uhsupernatural in a sense, they're
magical.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:34):
Um it seemed like it was a viral thing because he was
talking about like he thoughtmaybe saliva would pass it on,
but then the saliva didn'tbecause they shared the bite the
beer.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:44):
Yeah, because it he didn't he didn't um bite her
with the intention of drainingher life force.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:52):
Yeah, they talked about there's like some kind of
a ceremony to turn someone, butit's very rare that people
choose to turn someone into azombie.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:00):
But also like the ways that it's affecting R and
Julie um and all of the zombiesaround him, uh, it suggests that
there's like something thatcan't be explained that's
happening there.
And it's and it's notnecessarily like a virus that
works on the rules of how avirus works, but rather

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something that's passed on fromone person to another.
And in the case of R, he ispassing it on to other zombies
as well without without makingcontact to them, just by uh
experiencing new thoughts andfeelings and himself up to
human.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:36):
Yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
So it it has this like floweryalmost kind of Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:41):
And the bonies are also kind of an example of that,
too, because there's reallynothing left of them that should
make them mobile.
Like they have like they havelike some sinew and like some
rotted muscle strands, but forthe most part, they're mostly
just bones.
Yeah, they shouldn't be able tomove, they should be collapsed
on the ground.
And yet somehow they'reincredibly strong and fast.

SPEAKER_09 (01:06:02):
Yeah, they clickety clack their way through.
Yeah, the sounds they make, thatwas a great description.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:06):
They can uh they can climb walls like a spider.

SPEAKER_09 (01:06:09):
I have a question for about the world building and
like the magical aspect.
I think the part that was harderfor me to swallow was like I'm
like, okay, this is a magicalzombie per our agreed-upon
zombie typology.
Uh but I had a really hard timeunderstanding at what point,
like, as they're getting cured,quote unquote, they're still

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dead.
So that confused me.
The mechanism of death confusedme in the book.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:36):
Yeah, and then even like at the end when I mean, not
to jump ahead, but like whenJulie and R kiss at the very
end, and then Julie's eyes turnlike yellow, and there's some
kind of a transference thathappens there that doesn't
really get explained.
But of course, this this is aseries.
There are several other books inthis series.

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So I assume this gets explainedin the next book.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:59):
Yeah.
But which I am not a fan of.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:02):
Because you don't like to be left open.
But it just like Mickey Seven.
Mickey Seven ends the same way,like that open-ended.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:08):
No, it's it's completely different though,
because and and allow me to becontrarian, if you will.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:13):
Oh, never, never like you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:16):
Um like I I I think that everything needs to be
self-contained in one story.
And if you have another story totell beyond that, that's okay.
That can be a second book.
But to like spend your wholebook doing this kind of thing
and then being like at the veryend, you impart something new
and the hope and the optimismthat is found at the end of this
book with um zombies uh evolvingor devolving back to real

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people, whichever way you wantto look at it, um, to then throw
that nugget in there, but notexplain it or give it a little
more meat on the bones to us thereader, meat on the bonies.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:49):
Um it's it's not my favorite thing to do in a book.
Like, don't like give me theentire story here.
And then if you want to tell thenext chapter of R and Julie,
that could be the next book.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:01):
Yeah, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:03):
Solve all the riddles for me now that you've
raised, and then if I like it,I'll buy in and I'll continue to
move on.
But I think so many authors getreally entrenched in this idea
of series and other things, andit's very common in the book
space right now.
So um not my favorite part ofit, but um yeah.
I don't know.
Sorry, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:23):
That reminds me of a perfect example of uh of of the
most egregious violator of saidrules, this little unknown book
uh that most people probablyhaven't heard of called The Lord
of the Rings.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:38):
Okay, and tell me more about that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:08:41):
I do agree for the most part.
Like I see like the the world ofsequels kind of in the same way
that you would uh look at StarWars.
So like Star Wars, the firstmovie is its own encapsulated
story.
You can watch just that and besatisfied and it's over.
Um but there is more becausethey didn't fully obviously they

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didn't fully solve the problem.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:05):
So And it's a chunk in the middle of a whole series,
but you get enough from thewhole from the first movie, from
all three of the the originalmovies, you get enough from the
whole movie.
I see what you're saying.
Like it makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:19):
Like I see I see uh the first the first part of a of
a trilogy as act one of thatstory.
And then the second movie,Empire Strikes Back, is your
second act, and it has to end ona down note because you're going
into the third act in the thirdmovie.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:35):
Even though it is a triumph, I felt like the Empire
Strikes Back was a triumph.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:40):
Yeah, it left you wanting more.

SPEAKER_09 (01:09:42):
Yeah, but with Warm Bodies, I felt like I think I
agree with you, Greg, because Ienjoyed the book, but then when
it got to that point, it wasn'tit didn't feel like they were
telling me the stakes for why Ishould keep reading.
Like if they had Oh, yeah.
That's I think that's what wasmissing for me was like just
what's what is I what am I goingto be reading about next and do
I want to know?

(01:10:03):
Like if they'd set it up likethis is the mystery of this new
hybrid species, that's themystery of fate.
Yeah, then that might yeah,exactly.
There's something a little maybeI needed to be hammered on the
head with it.
Maybe it was maybe it was moretoo subtle for me listening
while I was gardening.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10:20):
I I mean I don't know.
I really liked it.
It made me interested to readthe next book because I want to
see what happens to Julie.
I'm curious about the hybrid,like zombie slash living that
she is now.
But um that kind of if we'reready to move into character
development, I do think thatthis book was a very
character-driven story.

(01:10:41):
Very much so.
Especially, obviously, we get itfrom our's point of view.
Something that I found veryinteresting was that, and and
I'm not sure if this is aweakness of the of the book, and
I I think it could be even.
Um, but I found way morecompelling R's relationship with
Perry than R's relationship withJulie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:03):
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:05):
The most impactful relationship I felt in the book
was that of R and Perry and hisdebating with Perry's
consciousness while he savorshis last memories.
It just tripped me outcompletely.
And that I I love that it'sinteresting how R doesn't even
know if he's experiencing partsof Perry's consciousness that

(01:11:25):
are actually there, or if it'sjust like his impression of
Perry's memories.
That whole thing was interestingto me.

SPEAKER_09 (01:11:33):
Yeah, their dialogue back and forth, and then Perry
sort of taking over the firstperson perspective and just
sharing his point of view wasreally fascinating.
Um, and I agree that was themost complex relationship of the
book.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:45):
Totally.
And I in a in a way, like it's astrength because it was very
compelling.
But in a way, it also is aweakness because it's like I
don't feel that connected toJulie as I do to Perry in the
book.

SPEAKER_09 (01:11:58):
The nodding I'm doing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:00):
Yes, right?
Like, and I'm feeling like sinceit is a romance between R and
Julie, I should have that kindof connection to Julie, and I
don't as much.
Yeah.
But I do feel a strongconnection to Perry.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:14):
I've I felt like there was a lot of um these kind
of tropes when it came to R andJulie uh that were supposed to
set up those emotional stakes,but uh much like many stories
that use these tropes, um, itdidn't it didn't really do that.
Like, for example, they go to uhthe motel.

SPEAKER_09 (01:12:33):
One big bed.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:33):
The the one yeah, the one big bed trope.
You know, that there's only onebed at the inn.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:39):
What do we do?

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:40):
And like it's it didn't set up that scene, and
that was like that was supposedto be their like close emotional
moment and all that, and it wasfine, but it wasn't quite like
how Perry comes into hisconsciousness and uh and kind of
like guides him through thisexistential nightmare that is

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sharing memories of somebodythat you ate who was in the life
of somebody who you're fallingin love with.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:07):
That is an awesome that's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:10):
The the intimacy of that, right?
Too that like he's eating hisbrain and he really is
experiencing, physicallyexperiencing these memories, and
they have this intimacy therethat I feel like is missing in
his relationship with Julie.
And not to be super mushy, butto again be two couples reading
this book and talking about it.
I feel like we are both sets ofcouples that um it seems like

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all of us are very independentthinkers and very um strong
individual people.
So when we look for a partner,they have to meet us
intellectually on the samelevel.
And it seems like like you guyskind of have that relationship
where it's like you get eachother to that extent.
And I think Greg and I are kindof there too.

(01:13:54):
Like we just we get each otherand we have a level of respect
there that um I I think it makesit more difficult to relate to a
story that's just like, oh,they're in love because you're
telling me they're in love.
They're in love because seeingany kind of intimacy between
them, but yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_09 (01:14:12):
It's also Stockholm syndrome-y, like Yeah.
Why does Julie like R?
Does and then I think to somedegree, I'm like, maybe that is
the function of the choices thatuh Isaac Marion made, because
the whole time I'm thinking,like, who are who is actually in
this relationship?
Because is Julie attracted tothe parts of him that have

(01:14:32):
become Perry?
Is it related to R at all?

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:35):
And on the other side of that, is R attracted to
the things that Harry foundattractive in Julie because he's
only getting the experience, thesecondhand experience of Perry's
experiences.

SPEAKER_09 (01:14:48):
It makes me think about um, you know, those
stories where you have uh organtransfers and then suddenly you
develop like a hobby that younever had before, and that the
person that uh whose organ thatcame from also had that hobby.
I felt like there's that's whatit reminded me of.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:04):
Is that a real thing or is that something that's seen
in fiction more?

SPEAKER_09 (01:15:08):
I've I mean I've watched like firsthand reports
of people saying this is athing.
I cannot say I've experiencedit.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:14):
All my organs are my own.

SPEAKER_09 (01:15:16):
Yeah, same.
Yeah, same.
And I'll die on that hill.
But there is somethinginteresting there around like
who are you?
There's definitely an identitycrisis happening.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:25):
Unless you die.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:29):
Actually, you don't know that.
You don't know the few.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:34):
Again, we've lost her.

SPEAKER_09 (01:15:36):
I didn't get it at all.
I was too lost in my identitycrisis.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:40):
He said he would die on that hill, but he but you
don't know that because youmight have an organ transplant
before you die.
So we'll see what happens.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:47):
TBD.
I'm against it, unless I needit.
It's on my my license.
You can take me up.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:52):
I have a I have a ex-step brother whose wife is an
organ transplant surgeon.
Wow.
I should ask her if she knowsany story.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:03):
Yeah, she's gonna know.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:05):
I would say sister-in-law to make it easy,
but my family dynamic is way toocomplicated to just like
oversimplify it like that.
But anyway, no, it is it isvery, very fascinating.
And it again, it comes back tothat whole like nature versus
nurture part of identity of likehow much of this is genetic and
how much of this is like learnedexperiences.
How much of this is very traumafor both of them.

SPEAKER_09 (01:16:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:28):
Well, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Trauma bonding as well.

SPEAKER_05 (01:16:31):
Yeah, body keeps the score.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:32):
That's true.
That's true.
Have you read that?
Yes.
Yeah.
You have?
Yes.
I haven't.
I really need to.
It's good if you've experiencedbeing alive.
I think anybody can read thatbook and I can't say that I
have.
I guess I don't know.
Oh, you're more of an R.
Maybe it is.
Maybe I have to find out.
Um, okay, let's talk about uhsome of the other relationships

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in this book.
We've talked a bit about R andJulie, we've talked about R and
Perry.
Uh, what about um R and M?
I I think I think what'sinteresting about um R's
relationship with M is that uh Rmakes this observation a couple
times in the book where he saysthat he thinks of zombies as
humans, but not people.

(01:17:17):
And he doesn't think that otherzombies are as introspective and
as thoughtful as he is.
But then again, he has thisrelationship.
What's that?

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:26):
That's what every writer feels.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:28):
Yeah, right, exactly.
And I think that like, um, buthis relationship with M though
is like they share this sense ofhumor, they share this like they
get each other, you know, and itseems like they have this deeper
friendship that of course getsexpanded throughout the book
where like M becomes a part ofthe revolution and everything.
Um, but M's only motivation tojump in and help them is that

(01:17:53):
he's friends with pay with uh R.

SPEAKER_09 (01:17:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (01:17:56):
And that he's pervy, and I think he wants his own
Julie.
That's what I wrote about.
I just put M dash.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:02):
Yeah, Slayer.
He's bumping uglies with all ofthem.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:07):
And you know, on this topic of, you know, the the
fact that he doesn't seem tohave his own motivations for
doing what he's doing.
Um, I love how the two differentsocieties are kind of mirrored
from each other.
So like you've got the airport,you've got the stadium, the
stadium is uh filled withhumans, the airport's filled
with zombies.
The zombies are just uh walkingaround living meaningless lives,

(01:18:31):
marrying whoever the escalatorstops them near.
Um but also the humans in thestadium are kind of doing the
same thing.
Um they're not you know,especially when it's when we're
talking about Julie's father anduh and M's mirror Nora, who has
no motivations whatsoever, butseems to just want to help

(01:18:52):
Julie.
Oh, interesting endlessly forseemingly no reason.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:58):
This is like what you were talking about, Greg,
about duality.

SPEAKER_04 (01:19:01):
I s yeah, the duality side of it was
interesting to me, but I alsostruggled like honestly with a
lot of the character motivationshere, and I expecting
motivations from a zombie may bea high bar.
Yeah, but um, you know, M sortof his motivations aside from
just being a zombie friend feltsoft and weak, and Nora, her
motivations felt a little um,you know, just just non-existent

(01:19:25):
to me and things like that.
So I hear what you're saying,but I also thought it in this
duality, sort of the mirroringlike you're talking about, Dan,
and the it's almost like thezombies and the the humans are
living two different existences,and it's the zombies are almost
like evolving and becoming anewer, better version of a
society, potentially, and thehumans have just sort of like

(01:19:46):
stagnated and are almostevolving in a way.
And I think at one point Juliemakes a comment somewhere toward
the beginning of the book, andshe's like, I'm not really
living.
Yeah, you know, to literally puther thumb on the scale and say
that and make it obvious to us.
And the humans have sort ofstopped, you know, like they're
surviving versus their society,but they're not thriving,

(01:20:09):
they're not living.
And, you know, and and it it Ithere were a lot of those
parallels throughout the book,especially like when you get
with Grigio with Julie's dad.
I mean, he is the leasthumanistic, least um likable
character in the book.
There's no humanity left in thatguy by the end of the book.
And it's interesting that he's aliving person who should be full

(01:20:32):
of humanity and trying to strivefor better things in all these,
but he's just so lifeless andmonstrous.
Gung-ho, you know, like thebonies.
Yeah, right, exactly right.
Yeah.
Um, but I just I I found that aninteresting parallel throughout
the book, like that mirroring,those dualities and things as
well.
I kind of really enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_09 (01:20:51):
Same.
I felt like um I had a littlebit of a different take, but I
had the mirroring idea as well.
But I what I was thinking wasmore that there were some
characters that seemed to beinterested in growth,
transformation, trying thingsthat were different, and then
there were the bonies and thegeneral Grigios that were like,
no, we have had to sacrificefeeling, um, happiness,

(01:21:12):
anything, just for puresurvival.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:15):
This is just how it is.

SPEAKER_09 (01:21:16):
And we're gonna make sure that you see that you have
to do that too.
Otherwise, you're not gonnasurvive.
They just like have blinders onto anything else.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:22):
Uh just I just had a thought.
Oh.
Yeah.
It's it's amazing when thishappens.
Um I need to celebrate it.
So we were talking earlier aboutthe airport being this uh the
starting, jumping off point foradventure and like going places
and like expanding yourhorizons.
And the stadium is all walled inand it has a partially closed

(01:21:48):
dome that uh R looks at w at onepoint and calls it the sky
mouth.
And they're living inside of amouth where they're being
consumed and everything'sending.
I like that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:22:04):
And they're silent in the crowd.
Well, I I no, but but that's aninteresting thought too, because
you think about like thefinality of that, but this is
actually the last like the placewhere the humans are finding
salvation, the living arefinding salvation.
This is like the last place theycan survive, but it's a a mouth,
the finality of that swallowingof that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:25):
Yeah, the the the light is is being is being
choked off slowly.

SPEAKER_09 (01:22:30):
I think both are ideologies at the end of the
day.
You have like the bony ideologyand the general Grigio ideology,
and they're trying toindoctrinate the young ones.

SPEAKER_07 (01:22:38):
And then the Z or I'm sorry, the Z.
No one is called Z.
The R and the Julies are justlike, why can't we all just get
along?
Yes.
Just trying to find that middleground.
And it's also like it kind ofspeaks to that like ideological.
I think, at least for me, Iguess I can only speak for
myself, but I think for a lot ofpeople, like in college, when

(01:23:00):
their their brain first kind ofopens up to like, oh my god, it
could just be so simple.
Like it feels like it's thatkind of that ideological sense
of like, yeah, why couldn't weall just get along?
But then there's also it comesback around to like how human
nature just kind of fucks upevery ideological lifestyle

(01:23:22):
choice.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:23):
It's you're unfortunately.
You get to something that Iloved about this, and it's the
end of the book, there's aquote.
Uh well, it's not a quote, it'sa line from both from two
different characters, but it'sthe second to last page, and
Julie says, Do you think we'llever get back to the way things
were?
And our response, I hope not.
And I think that's sort of thecentral idea of kind of all

(01:23:45):
these ideas that we're kickingaround here and we're playing
with, is that you know, thereare people who are thinking
about evolving and movingforward and not being consumed
by the past and trying to find abetter way forward and accepting
people and not demonizing themjust because you're a zombie or
you're a living person, it's notso black and white, it's not
ones and zeros.
Um, and there is no, there is noold way of anything, there is

(01:24:09):
only a way forward.
And open-mindedness is kind ofthe only way to make it and to
keep going.

SPEAKER_07 (01:24:17):
Well, and I think like, again, only speaking for
myself, I think that when I wasin college and I was taking my
first like sociology classes andyou know, psychology classes and
understanding just how big andhow small our world was at the
same time, I think I also had avery black and white way of
thinking of like, oh, like givepeace a chance.

(01:24:38):
Like we can all just get along.
And then uh as I got older, Igot a bit a lot more
pessimistic.
And I think where I am now ishopefully a good blend of the
two, where it's like right nowwith the fascism that we have
going on in our country, bad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:55):
Yeah.
Oh, is it?
Hopefully, understatement of themillennium.

SPEAKER_07 (01:25:00):
Hopefully, this is and this is where my optimism is
still there.
If we if we get a chance to havesomeone else in office after
Trump, you can cut as much ofthis as you want to.
I don't care.
But if we get a chance to haveanother person in office, the
only good thing I could seecoming of this is the breaking
down of the systems that we hadin place already that were

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corrupt.
Like the Food and DrugAdministration has been corrupt
forever.
The pharmaceutical companieshave been corrupt forever.
Like there's certain things thatwe needed to kind of break down
and like rebuild.
It's just the problem is that wewe're rebuilding it in the wrong
direction.
And so hopefully maybe therewill be like some kind of a
balance that comes at the end ofthis, but that's the only optim,

(01:25:45):
that's the the drops of optimismI have left.

SPEAKER_09 (01:25:48):
I love that because I wrote, um, where is it?
I says, I said, do we believethat this is true?
That can entrenched conflicts besolved by two people falling in
love?
L-O-L.
Yeah, lol.
Like no.
I want to believe, uh, but I I'msimilar to you.
I I have like tempered hope,which is just that I think that
liberation is an ongoingstruggle and it's not ever going

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to be perfect in our lifetime.
But if we give up, that it'sjust gonna be worse.
That's my that's my most hopefulstatement I can make right now.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:17):
Yeah.
Also, I I want to say that umI'm glad that you said all that
you said right now, because uhthat's pretty much what sums up
the 35-minute angry rant that Icut out of today's episode.

SPEAKER_09 (01:26:31):
Much more articulately than our
definitely.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:33):
Well my god, I'm so honored.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:35):
Thank you.
I thought you guys were gonna belike, okay, this is a little off
topic, but cut all of that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:26:39):
I want to link the dribble that she just said of
your episodes, because thatsounds fantastic.
I want that diatribe.
I need that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:45):
It probably sounds just like our normal afterwork
conversation.

SPEAKER_09 (01:26:49):
Definitely.
It needs to be behind some kindof special wall because I'm
looking for a job right now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:53):
Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right,
right, right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:56):
And and Leah doesn't need my manifesto out there.
No.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:00):
However, if it if the worst comes to worst, maybe
all of us can start a compound.
Sold.

SPEAKER_09 (01:27:07):
Let's do it.
Yeah.
Maybe.
What are you talking about?
Maybe, Sarah.
I'm just saying.
Maybe.
Are we gonna make it in anairport or a stadium?

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:15):
Let's do an airport.
That just feels more hopeful tome.
All right, let me ride theescalator.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:23):
Uh, I just need a tumbler of whiskey, and I could
ride an escalator all day long.
That sounds beautiful right now.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:30):
Actually, I'd kind of you know what?
Let's do that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:33):
Let's do that, and then we'll how about this?
We'll all get married in aquadruple.

SPEAKER_09 (01:27:38):
You know what?
It's the modern age.
I'm okay with this.
Yeah, that's fine.
I don't know if legally they'lllet us think.
Can we invite Joe and Uli tojoin and to make it a sex
toplet?
Of course.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:50):
Of course.
Who else who else wants to do?
They can bring Weird Al and uhJohn Stamos.
I saw she just hung out withJohn Stamos past week with the
Beach Boys.
Um, okay, so let's talk aboutsome deeper thoughts.
There's a couple quotes thatreally stood out to me that I'd
love to talk about.
One of them was I stand on thesteps and ascend like a soul

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into heaven, that sugary dreamof our childhoods, now a
tasteless joke.
I love that quote because justthe idea of like a sugary taste,
like a you know, optimistic,positive thing, and it's now
tasteless entirely because he'son the other side of death.
Um, maybe that's just part oflike being raised Catholic,

(01:28:33):
where like heaven is like a bigdeal.
I don't know.
But um, I just that really stoodout to me.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:38):
Yeah, I'm gonna recite this every time I go up
an escalator now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:43):
Yeah, that's so powerful.
Um, another line that I reallyloved is he said, Once you've
arrived at the end of the world,it hardly matters which route
you took.
And I love that.
It makes me wonder ifthoughtful.

SPEAKER_09 (01:28:56):
The airport is also a little bit of a purgatory
place.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:00):
Yeah, right.
It does.
It feels like that.
And it and and if you thinkabout the symbolism of an
airport, right?
It's like the in-between placebetween you getting to your
destination.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:29:11):
Oh yeah.
Airports are kind of likepurgatory.
Every time I'm in one, that'swhat I feel.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:16):
And it is.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:17):
Can we rewind?
I can give that as an answerearlier when you asked, because
that's way more smart andeducated than I sounded.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:23):
Then asking what?

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:24):
When when uh when Leah asked me about that
question earlier about theairport or asked us about it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:29):
You're like, well, it's purgatory because it's this
way more insightful than I'mkidding.
Yeah, okay, you can have that.

unknown (01:29:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:36):
Uh the last line that I have to, this is my
favorite line, I think, in theentire book.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:42):
Incorrect.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:43):
No, correct.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:44):
I think this is gonna be wrong.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:45):
It's correct.
My favorite line is I long forexclamation marks, but I'm
drowning in ellipses.

SPEAKER_09 (01:29:52):
That was beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:53):
Well, I mean, it's lyrical.

SPEAKER_09 (01:29:55):
Yeah.
Such a poetic zombie, truly.

SPEAKER_07 (01:29:58):
Truly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:59):
Yeah.
It's one of the sneaky goodthings about this book is
actually the the the writing ofit, it's the lyrical prose good
and the thoughts and that don'tsound in cr like it doesn't
sound incredibly deep, but thenyou think about it, you're like,
Oh, there's a shit ton of depththere.

SPEAKER_06 (01:30:14):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:30:15):
And he's got so many in every single chapter.
It kind of blew me away withthis depth, and I didn't see
that coming.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:22):
Well, and like uh for me personally, I feel like
that's been like a a feeling Ican relate to that.
Like I long for exclamationmarks, like I want some
excitement, but I'm drowning inellipses of just like, okay,
what now?
Like I'm waiting to see whathappens.
Yeah, we're in the in-between.
Powerful quote.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:41):
And I I really appreciate that that depth, uh,
the depth and prose while alsotalking about uh two naked
zombies in a broom closetslapping their bodies together
like poultry.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:55):
That was that duality, if you will.

SPEAKER_04 (01:30:58):
I was told it was gonna be a lot more necrophilia
discussion in this pod, which iswhy I came here to not over yet.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:05):
I think we need to let's it's not over until we're
behind on the quota right now.
Okay, just sorry, let me jumpout, let me throw out a couple
more ideas that I reallyenjoyed.
One, I'd I'd be reallyinterested to hear what Dan and
Leah think about this being thezombie aficionados.
I think that it is a fascinatingidea in this book explaining why
the zombies crave brains.

(01:31:27):
Because we always accept withzombie lore that they crave
brains.
We know that they do.
We don't think about why theydo.
And in this book, it's likesomething they do to feel alive
for a moment, to feel less dead.

SPEAKER_09 (01:31:39):
They're like voyeurs, or it's like watching
TV.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:42):
Yeah, or doing drugs.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:44):
Yeah, right.
And it it kind of like givesthem that like depth of
experience that they are longingfor and missing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:51):
And a euphoria.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:52):
Yeah, and I think that that is really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:56):
I also think uh on a totally different note, it's
it's interesting what offendsare socially.
So Julie makes this distinctionat one point that the living are
human, and this offends himbecause he says, Well, he's
dead, but he's still a human.
You know, he's he's dead, buthe's a human.
Um, he also doesn't like beingreferred to as a corpse, that

(01:32:19):
that is something that sociallyoffends him.
And I think just like from apurely socially scientific point
of view, it's fascinating thethings that he finds to be
offensive that you just wouldn'treally think about, I guess,
unless you were coming from thatpoint of view.
They go, Well, yeah, I guess Iwouldn't want to be thought of
as a corpse.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:37):
I guess I wouldn't want to be thought of as
non-human if I was just dead.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:41):
Yeah, the the corpses are the bodies that are
laying on the ground that can'tmove anymore.

SPEAKER_09 (01:32:44):
He's the living and they're the living impaired,
which is uh a term in from theflesh TV series.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:50):
Well, and and arguably, you know, impaired
could be an in a sense of termas well.
Like it could be alternativelife.

SPEAKER_09 (01:33:01):
I do think that he was making a point around uh
living divergent.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:05):
Living divergent.

SPEAKER_09 (01:33:06):
I love that.
I love that.
But I I do agree with you thathe was making a really clear
point around how we dehumanizeeach other and people who are
different, and we decide what islike what is um the most
civilized, what is the mostalive, most human, and that's
actually a very individualexperience.

SPEAKER_07 (01:33:22):
Yeah.
And that all that just wasfascinating to me, I thought.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:27):
Yeah, I mean, zombies in general across all
mediums typically are theliteral definition of othering.

SPEAKER_09 (01:33:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:34):
Um because you're there they're always a group of
people.
They they never haveindividuality, they never have
their own motivations other thanuh you know they they they would
only have their own motivationif they were the only zombie in
the room and they wanted to eatyou.
Um, that would be all of theirmotivation.
Um and this and this isdifferent because we get to see

(01:33:55):
things from his point of view.

SPEAKER_04 (01:33:57):
I love that.
That's I hadn't reallyconsidered that, but that you
know, when I think about all thethings in, you know, of the
zombie things that I've watchedand everything like that, that's
uh a hundred percent on point.

SPEAKER_09 (01:34:07):
Yeah, that's that's why I love Day of the Dead, is
because of Bub uh and that he'sa trainable zombie and it it it
puts into question this ideathat they're these like ideal
blank surfaces that have nofeelings and no experience that
just kill.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:20):
I just watched that like two weeks ago because I
listened to another one of yourpods and you guys were talking
about that, and I was like, Ihad seen it, so I jumped on and
I watched it that afternoon andI loved it.
So good.
I love it too.
I did not see that one coming,but like that idea of them
training them and everythingelse, and then the actions and
how that movie ends andeverything.
I was like, it that's that's afucking great zombie movie.

SPEAKER_09 (01:34:41):
Yeah, yeah.
It's my favorite Romero film.

SPEAKER_04 (01:34:44):
Thank you for introducing me to that one.

SPEAKER_09 (01:34:45):
Oh, our pleasure.
It it for me it is my favorite,which I know is not common.
Most people cite Dawn of theDead or Night of the Living Dead
or something else.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:53):
I I I think I mentioned it in the episode.
Like I uh didn't like it when Iwas younger because it didn't,
you know what?
It didn't it didn't uh scratchthe itch that I was looking for.
It didn't fill all of the checkboxes that I have for what I
want to uh be stimulated by.
Um kind of like a book about uha zombie from his point of view

(01:35:16):
in that in that same sense.
Right.
But watching it again and likehaving like a full open
experience to it, I saw it forwhat it was that like my younger
brain couldn't process and uh soso much more enjoyed it because
of that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:32):
Yeah, we've been talking a lot about lately, like
you know, things rise to meetyou where you are at in life.
And that changes over time, likeyou're saying with with that
particular movie.
Like it changes and evolves withwhere you are now as opposed to
where you were as a teenager.
And I I can't say it's unique tohorror, but I think that's like
really good horror is that thatkind of storytelling that

(01:35:54):
evolves and changes and doestruly change with you as you go.
And it's like you can watch itwhen you're younger or maybe not
quite as as introspective aboutthings and be like, oh, I see it
and it's fun and it it scratchesan itch in one place.
But then when you grow older andyou have society and you have
you know cultural ideas and youhave government that you're now

(01:36:15):
fearing and worrying and allthese kinds of things, and then
you watch that same movie andyou're like, holy shit.
It almost feels weirdlyprophetic, you know?
And it's it's just it's afascinating thing that all these
things kind of keep changing andalways rise to meet you where
you are, and the something thatyou didn't like might now be
insanely profound, and that's socool.

SPEAKER_07 (01:36:35):
Have you ever seen that meme of um the joker saying
we live in a society?

SPEAKER_09 (01:36:42):
No.
No, but I need it.
Never mind, cut that out.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:47):
No, I want to know about this meme now.
But to send it to us after.

SPEAKER_09 (01:36:50):
Were there other deep thoughts, Sarah, you wanted
to share or other quotes?

SPEAKER_07 (01:36:54):
I don't besides that meme.
Um we jump into what didn'twork.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37:00):
Yes, yeah, give that to us clean though, so we can
cut since you wanted to but up,but up.

SPEAKER_07 (01:37:08):
So this is cool, but let's talk about what didn't
work.

unknown (01:37:12):
How clean is that?

SPEAKER_07 (01:37:13):
Do you want to try again?

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:15):
Nope, that's AN.
Yeah, I think that's the cut,and then we just go with that
one.
All right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:22):
All right, home listeners, enjoy the randomness
that we just cut out that youare not privy to.

SPEAKER_07 (01:37:27):
Super cool.
What didn't work?

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:29):
I think for me personally, I'll just jump uh
into the deep end here.
Sure.
There are a ton of sort ofnarrative inconsistencies that
kind of plagued me throughoutthis book.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:39):
Um, the liberal abuse of the laws of a
post-apocalyptic world, if we'rereally kind of going deep here.
Sure.
You know, there's randomly somestill food that's around that
people can still consume andeat, in particular, Thai food
somehow.

SPEAKER_07 (01:37:53):
People are somehow abiding by the no alcohol rule.
Like that would ever happen.
There's no there's no fuckingway.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:59):
Well, they didn't, to be fair.

SPEAKER_07 (01:38:01):
Well, well, Julie didn't, but uh, she feels like
the like rebel that's flyingunder the she's like the me in
the story that would be like,hey, I found some fucking I
don't know about that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:16):
I think more people are are drinking in the no
alcohol society than they'reanytime something's banned,
we're doing it, right?
They're just keep they're justbeing really secretive about it.
Like there's a reason whythey're going to a sports.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You buy the juice, you put yourbathtub gin in, and then you
don't tell anybody about it.

(01:38:37):
That's the rules.

SPEAKER_07 (01:38:38):
Exactly.
Isn't there like prison splooshthat like no?
Prisoners make their own kind oftoilet wine.

SPEAKER_09 (01:38:47):
Toilet wine, yeah.
Oh, I thought you were referringto jazz.

SPEAKER_07 (01:38:51):
Have you ever read the book holes?
I don't need to.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:53):
I'm just I'm still disturbed by the fact you went
to prison sploosh as acharacter.
Is sploosh is sploosh?

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:02):
Wait, is sploosh a word for?
I guess there's sploos.

SPEAKER_09 (01:39:08):
I've like SPL.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:10):
I didn't mean it like I didn't mean it like
semen.

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:12):
Spoosh is kind of like a an expression.
Like I've splooshed.
Like if somebody is like theysay something inappropriate and
it's vaguely sexual, you'relike, oh sploosh.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:23):
Okay, so I didn't mean it sexually.
I meant it like prison wine.
Okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:27):
Which is not what it's called.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:29):
Okay.
Well, I don't know.
It probably depends on theprison.

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:34):
You're right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:39:35):
Different prisons have different prison wines.
I have no, I am crying withlaughter.
Um just in general.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:42):
It probably depends on the prison system that you're
in, that it could possibly becalled sploosh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:46):
Different vintages.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:48):
Probably some prisons that call it sploosh.
We don't know.
We haven't been to every prison.
All I'm saying is that have webeen to any prisons?

SPEAKER_08 (01:39:57):
You need to tell us something, fun, about you two?
No, I've never been to prison.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:01):
That was a long pause.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:08):
Um do we have to do that?

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:15):
I thought splooch was the name of prison line.
Okay.
Not everyone knows everything,dude.

SPEAKER_09 (01:40:23):
Do you all did you all think the Romeo and Juliet
thing worked?
Did you like it?
I've never seen that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:29):
It felt heavy-handed.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:31):
Um it took me way too long to figure it out.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:34):
Wait, wait, was that was sploosh related?

SPEAKER_05 (01:40:37):
No, I was hard cutting.

SPEAKER_07 (01:40:40):
I don't know what's happening.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:43):
There is uh a solid undercurrent in this book and a
parallel of this book to thestory of Romeo and Juliet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:50):
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:51):
So you Julie yet.
You have Romeo Romeo.
Yeah.
Mm Marcutio.
And pointed out earlier.
Oh my god.
M is definitely not Mercutio.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:05):
Oh, you guys, oh my god, you guys all got deep with
this.
I had no idea.
No, I I truly had no, I nevermade this connection at all.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:17):
They come from two families that are at war with
each other.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:20):
Well, hardly.

SPEAKER_09 (01:41:22):
They don't know, they don't know ours.
But they didn't.
I was waiting for them to bothdie at the end.
And so I was a little bit like,I wanted the gritty end.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:29):
Well, in a way, they both came to life at the end.

SPEAKER_09 (01:41:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:32):
Wow.
I had no, I didn't know therewas a comparison between Romeo
and Juliet.
Why are you looking at me likeit was obvious?
I don't know.
Was it obvious?

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:41):
It was to me, but it's just me.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:44):
Yeah.
So so you're saying everyoneelse, it was obvious to them.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:49):
I mean, it took me half the book to get there, but
yeah, I figured it out.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:52):
Okay.
It took me to this very moment.

SPEAKER_09 (01:41:56):
To be fair, Sarah, I don't think I would have.
Dan pointed it out to me.
He was like, you know that thatbalcony scene?
And I was like, oh.
And then I I was still reading.
When um R breaks into the I wantto keep calling it a stampede
for some reason, the stadium.
And she's up in her balconydoing her ver her like audio
journal.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:15):
Oh yeah.
And he's like watching her.
Yeah.
And then he calls to her.
When she's wherefore art thou inthere's another thing.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:24):
That tape recorder would not have survived the
fall, the crash, the recycling,none of it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:28):
Maybe it was a zoom.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:30):
It would have.
Those are durable.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:33):
I've dropped mine a lot.

SPEAKER_04 (01:42:35):
The zoom podcasters that we also popularly use.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:38):
And I used a zoom on my last podcast, and we I would
record in different locations.
I would go to haunted placeswith comedians.
Ooh.
And I I dropped that thing alot.
It worked fine.

SPEAKER_09 (01:42:54):
Is that podcast still out there, Sarah?
Can we listen to it?

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:57):
Yeah, you can.
I don't record on it anymore,but it's called Laughing in the
Dark with Sarah Jones.

SPEAKER_09 (01:43:02):
Gonna check it out.
That sounds fun.
Comedians in Haunted Places.
Yeah, that sounds like abrilliant idea.

SPEAKER_07 (01:43:07):
Thank you very much.
It was a lot of fun.
Bring it back.
Uh someday.
Someday, man.

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:13):
Um, you know what didn't work for me?

SPEAKER_07 (01:43:15):
Yep.

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:16):
Uh I I really didn't I didn't like the
two-dimensionalness of anycharacter that wasn't um or uh
R, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:25):
R.
I'm there with you.
I really struggled with JulianNora in particular, as well as
the characters.
That really there's just there'snot a lot going on there.

SPEAKER_07 (01:43:34):
Not a lot of depth there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (01:43:36):
I want to believe it's elsewhere, like learning
that there's the prequel andthen the ser the sequels makes
me think that there might bemore going on.
But in this book, it felt like Ithink it technically passes the
Bechtdill test.
I know they do talk about likesurvival, but then it always
segues to a man with the Yeah,no, you're right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:51):
That's that would be interesting to compare it with
it.
It would be interesting to putit up against the test.

SPEAKER_07 (01:43:56):
Yeah, it you're right though, that the the
female characters are verytwo-dimensional because to me,
the characters with the mostdimension are R and Perry.
Yeah.
Um, and to the other side ofthat though, I love the way that
this is written, but I thinkit's confusing that R is able to
articulate so clearly the thingsthat he's thinking and
observing, but he can't speak orremember his name or like read.

(01:44:20):
Yeah.
How like there's the a strangedichotomy happening there.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:25):
My my thought on that was that maybe this he's
like recounting it from a laterpoint where he's after he's
already evolved.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:33):
Like he's maybe he eats his own brain.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:36):
Oh meta.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:38):
Yeah.
Did I just spoil the wholeseries?

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:41):
Yeah, you ruined it.
I hope you did.
Oh, is that what happens inRomeo and Juliet?
He eats his own brain.
Yeah, I haven't seen that.
Oh, okay, because I haven't readthat that one, so maybe that's
what I was just missing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:55):
Just just like in um uh Silence of the Lambs.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:00):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Are you talking about Hannibal?

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:02):
Like, oh, that smells delicious.
Can I have a piece?
Up cool.
Uh we are huge Silence of theLambs fans, by the way.
That is like one of my favoritemovies of all time.
Another favorite book of alltime.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45:15):
And a TV show Hannibal is amazing.
One of the best televisionshows, maybe ever.
I have questions.

SPEAKER_09 (01:45:22):
I have questions too.

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:24):
You want to go first, Leah?

SPEAKER_09 (01:45:25):
Again, my question is not a question.
It just says, let's talk aboutzombie sex.
Ooh, should we?
Because we haven't.
Is it necrophilia if it's twoundead people that aren't
actually they're just slappingtogether like poultry?

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:39):
Bump and ugly.
Poultry.
Bump and uglies.
I love it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:44):
I think maybe it is.
Um, because I think in order forit to be necrophilia, it has to
be that you're intentionally umhaving sex with a corpse because
it is a corpse.

SPEAKER_09 (01:45:56):
Is ju then is Julia necrophiliaist?

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:59):
Yes.
But if necrophile?
Yeah, yeah, it is a necrophile,yeah.
But if she didn't know that Rwas undead, um She does know.
Then it wouldn't count asnecrophilia.

SPEAKER_09 (01:46:10):
Every time she says she wants to kiss him, I'm
confused.
I'm like, I ew.
He stinks.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:15):
He's rotting.

SPEAKER_09 (01:46:16):
That's a lot to look past.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:17):
I imagine he smells like you know, spoiled milk.

SPEAKER_07 (01:46:20):
I imagine he smells disgusting.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:23):
He had some body spray.
He put axe body spray on, soanyone would smell like I don't
know that he'd smell better ifyou put axe on.
But he'd smell like axe bodyspray.

SPEAKER_07 (01:46:34):
He'd smell like an Abercrombie and Fitch.
He wouldn't smell like corpse.
That's a different situation.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:40):
Like when he walks in the room, he you'd still be
like, wow, somebody is veryfragrant in here.

SPEAKER_07 (01:46:44):
Uh you guys remember how when at the mall you used to
walk by Abercrombie and Fitchand there'd be someone like
spraying the like cologne.
Do you think they still do that?
Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (01:46:54):
Are there malls anymore?
I never went inside one becauseum Oh, you didn't?

SPEAKER_07 (01:46:58):
Have you?
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
It was like a secret place.
Is this a generationaldifference?

SPEAKER_04 (01:47:02):
I mean, I I lived through the 90s, those were my
formative years, so I definitelystumbled into an Abercrombie to
buy some overpriced flannelsback in the day.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:11):
Yeah.
You remember how they'd havelike they'd have like topless
guys being like, What's up?

SPEAKER_05 (01:47:16):
That's why I didn't go in alone.
Because they were like policingthe door to make sure that you
couldn't go in if you weren'tshirtless.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:26):
Yeah, you had to be cool to get in.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (01:47:28):
I never was cool enough.
I just I just also low risejeans were in at the time, and
uh that did not work with mydump truck that we discussed
yesterday.

SPEAKER_07 (01:47:37):
Oh, you want to know something funny?
Actually, guess guess what I wasfreshman year of high school.
What?
Vegan.
What?
Yes, ma'am.
I was vegan for the first twoyears of high school, which
really meant I hardly ateanything.
So I was very thin.
Because I didn't they didn'thave as many vegan options in
2004 as they do now.

SPEAKER_05 (01:47:58):
Sounds like a terrible experience.

SPEAKER_09 (01:48:00):
Yeah, I transitioned in a 2015, and it was bad back
then.
I can't even imagine 2004.
Now it's like a cornucopia ofvegan shit.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:08):
Now there's so many different kinds of milk.

SPEAKER_09 (01:48:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:11):
Too many.
Soy is just stick with the soy.
No, we're almond milk drinkersin this household, but I
digress.

SPEAKER_09 (01:48:18):
I'm not gonna judge you, even though I kind of hond
milk.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:22):
Oat milk is my almond milk is the best one.
Okay.

SPEAKER_09 (01:48:25):
Squeeze together like two almonds, and then it's
just water and something calledkeragenin.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:28):
Like what is they bump the uglies?

SPEAKER_05 (01:48:31):
You gotta bump the almonds together.
And then you make milk.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:35):
They you have to squeeze the almond teets.

SPEAKER_09 (01:48:40):
Uh is R vegan because he stops eating Julie,
like he doesn't want to eatpeople anymore.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48:47):
Yeah, I guess that's a good point.
Like he kind of has to have someself-restraint on eating human.
He's a vegetarian at the veryleast.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:55):
See, that's a great thing to bring up in the second
book.
That's something that can beunearthed in round two.

SPEAKER_07 (01:49:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:01):
I like that idea.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:02):
Does he get hungry?
Does he even need to eat?
We don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:05):
Well, that's a that's a great question, though.
Yeah, is he dead?
So he doesn't need to eat.
He kind of stops and he sayslike the craving slowers and
slowers.
Again, great language.
Uh it slows and he's capable ofjust not consuming anymore.
So what does do they even needto eat at all?
Is it just uh like a lizardbrain function where they're
like, as a zombie, you have tojust uh eat humans, but you can

(01:49:29):
work past that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:30):
I mean Perry tells him that he doesn't need to uh
eat people.
He does that part.
Yeah, it's it's late in thebook, but um he comes when he's
when he's uh fighting hiscraving after killing a security
guard.
Um Perry comes in and he's like,Yeah, you don't you don't have
to eat, you know that, right?

SPEAKER_07 (01:49:50):
Perry does.
Interesting.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:51):
Yeah, Perry's just Jiminy Cricket.

SPEAKER_07 (01:49:53):
Yeah, he is.

SPEAKER_05 (01:49:54):
He literally is, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:49:55):
Well, and speaking of Perry, there's another part
that I I I feel like I mentionedto you guys on the phone
earlier, but um Perry takes Rand and has R bring Julie his
manuscript for a a story calledRed Teeth.
I wonder if this manuscript wasabout zombies, and I wonder if
that'll come up later.
Because red teeth makes me thinkof eating flesh and blood, red

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teeth.

SPEAKER_05 (01:50:20):
Or drinking Kool-Aid.

SPEAKER_09 (01:50:21):
Bloody Mary.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50:26):
Um I have a question.
So early in the book, the ideaof eternal wear is mentioned.
Yes.
So in a perfect world whereyou're zombified, what clothes
would you be stuck wearing forthe rest of your life?

SPEAKER_09 (01:50:40):
In a perfect world, like I get to this is not just I
get played randomly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:50:44):
Like, hey, I can suit up and then I'm gonna and
then I'm gonna be eaten and andtransition into my zombified
person.
So you can pick what you wear.
What is it gonna be?

SPEAKER_09 (01:50:54):
Easy answer.
I'm wearing my zombie crown andI'm in some like really
ridiculous robe that I I havemany ridiculous robes that I
pass off as clothes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:03):
Really?
Robes?
That's a unique one.

SPEAKER_09 (01:51:05):
Yeah, there's a video of me twirling on
Instagram and exactly the outfitthat I want to be wearing.
Although I might stumble over itas a zombie.
I have to cut it off.
Give me a shorter version.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:15):
I think there's a great underlying idea there
though, in that wearing a crownand wearing a flowing robe of
any kind would immediately exaltyou into like the upper echelon
of the zombie world, and peoplewould just look at you and be
like, She's our god.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:30):
She may be a god of some sort.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:32):
Yeah.
She's the queen of zombies.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:34):
Mine would easily be dance pants, a t-shirt, and a
hoodie, which actually is what Iwear every single day of my
life.
So it's also the most likely.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:45):
Comfy.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:46):
Yeah, super comfy.
Hoodies are great for storingbrain.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:51:50):
Yeah.
It's got to have pockets, youknow, like like some big You got
a pocket.

SPEAKER_07 (01:51:54):
You're in basically pajamas, comfy pajamas that look
cute.
You could they pass off for daywear.

SPEAKER_09 (01:52:01):
Do you have a favorite hoodie that you feel
like is like the do you havelike a hoodie with like a saying
on it or something that would bereally fun to run into a zombie
with?

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:08):
I don't know.
I have a lot of hoodies.
I think my favorite hoodie isprobably my Powell's bookstore
hoodie.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:15):
That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:15):
It's a bookstore in Portland, Oregon.
Um no, I don't really have afavorite hoodie.
What would you wear, Greg?

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:23):
It would be some kind of comfortable jean, a pair
of chucks, and uh a Pink Floydt-shirt.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:29):
That would be my specifically Pink Floyd.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:31):
Specifically Pink Floyd.
And a hoodie.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:35):
A hoodie, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (01:52:36):
Like a zipper hoodie?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:52:38):
Yeah, like a full zip.
Yeah.
I've got a really old one thathas too many holes and is just
sad and pathetic now that Istill love.
And I I bought it, I don't know,like 20 years ago, but I just
can't let it go.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52:48):
Aren't those the best?
Like you know you look like ahomeless person when you wear
them, but you're just like, thisis the most comfortable like
hoodie that I have, and I don'tcare.

SPEAKER_09 (01:52:55):
I want to wear it to work every day, but I can't.
Hoodies should be like themodern suit for work.

SPEAKER_07 (01:53:00):
They kinda they kinda are.
I feel like our generation ismoving things into that that
kind of graded realm.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:06):
There's an interesting like um male fashion
space right now where they'redeveloping sport coats with
hoodies built into them.
Oh, uh-huh.
Celebrities are wearing them.
And I I was at the store alittle while ago and I almost
bought one of them.

SPEAKER_07 (01:53:18):
You're like, thanks, James Franco.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:19):
That's a great thing.

SPEAKER_09 (01:53:20):
Yeah, there should be no hard clothes.
And if you're a zombie,especially, like you the your
clothes should be soft.
What would you wear, Dan?
Terrible.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53:27):
You know, I've I'm I'm thinking about this because
like if I can choose anything, Ikind of want to be terrifying.

unknown (01:53:33):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (01:53:33):
So I'm thinking like I feel like doing that like back
and forth flap as a man would bethe most scary thing as a
zombie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:45):
Just that I know we talked about this being a
two-pod series, but uh, but Danmight not be interested in doing
another pod with us after sayingthat the idea of Dan naked is
scary.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:53:56):
Well, I mean 28 years later slongs.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:53:59):
The idea of any man naked running around doing that
back and forth out of the showerdance that all men do.

SPEAKER_02 (01:54:06):
Yeah.
Man should never do it all mendo it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:54:08):
I haven't I've not seen you do it yet,
surprisingly, but I'm sure youdo it when I'm not around.

SPEAKER_09 (01:54:13):
I'm not aware of Dan making this either.
That I'm gonna have to spy onhim.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:54:17):
Maybe these are just my ex-boyfriends.
You know, they they do that.
That if I had a dick for oneday, oh I would do spin it
around like a helicopter, yeah.
Back and forth, and then itslaps your thighs on both sides.

SPEAKER_09 (01:54:31):
Yeah.
I had a dream once where I had adick, and like in the dream, I
was like, wow, I've got a dick,I'm gonna do everything.
And I did.
It was great.
Did you do the back and forthdance?
I did.
And everything else.
Everything else somebody can Iwrote my name in the sand in
this dream.
I was on the beach, it wasgreat.

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:46):
Wow.
Cool.
You really lived a whole lot of.

SPEAKER_09 (01:54:50):
I wish I had a dream I had a dick.

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:52):
Maybe you will know.
All right, let's talk about myoutfit.

SPEAKER_08 (01:54:55):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:54:56):
What would your outfit be?

SPEAKER_05 (01:54:57):
Okay.
Um, I'm imagining like somethinga little bit mad max.
So like leather, leather strapsfrom a sex store.

SPEAKER_07 (01:55:07):
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:55:08):
Um, because that's what the Mad Max villains always
wore.

SPEAKER_07 (01:55:11):
Um steampunk.

SPEAKER_05 (01:55:13):
Yeah.
Some kind of like crazy, likeshiny helmet.

SPEAKER_07 (01:55:17):
Okay.
To protect your head.
That's fine.

SPEAKER_05 (01:55:19):
Protect my head.
Yeah.
Gotta protect the head.
Um I'd have a leather jacketwith like really sharp spikes
sticking out of it.
Or a t-shirt that said freehugs.

SPEAKER_07 (01:55:34):
And then pants list, so you could do the dance.
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:55:38):
Yeah.
And I I think I would have likea cloak made of chains that
would just drag behind me andyou'd just hear the chains
coming.

SPEAKER_07 (01:55:45):
We are absolutely zombie royalty, you and me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:50):
You really are.
I would follow you as an undeadto the the end of the undead
world.
That's a high compliment.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:55:56):
That was really cool.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:57):
Yeah.
Wish my answer.
I would I'm just some slacker ina corner wearing a pink Floyd
t-shirt, like a loser.

SPEAKER_09 (01:56:02):
Yeah, I'm just literally in my normal day wear.
But you can blend into thecrowd, right?
Like, unfortunately, they'regonna see us coming.
Yeah.
You can you can maybe fake ituntil you're close enough to get
right.

SPEAKER_07 (01:56:12):
When people are like, what would you do in the
zombie apocalypse?
I'm like, oh, I'd surrenderimmediately.
I'd be like pointing at my neck,like, do it.
Yeah, it's getting over with,you coward.

SPEAKER_05 (01:56:22):
You just reach out the front door, like, bite my
hand.

SPEAKER_07 (01:56:25):
I don't give a fuck.
I I I don't want to survivethis.

SPEAKER_09 (01:56:28):
I used to be like that until Dan convinced me that
maybe it's worth it for years ofpodcasting about it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:56:35):
Okay, so here's my question.
If you were giving in to being azombie, sure.
Um, how like how do you chooseto go out?
How do you choose to like getbitten?
Quick.

SPEAKER_07 (01:56:47):
Whatever's quick.
I'd be like, go for the jugular.

SPEAKER_09 (01:56:51):
So you want to die, like die and come back instead
of like get a fever and thenbecome a zombie?

SPEAKER_07 (01:56:56):
I want to feel as little as possible.
Here's the deal.
My motivation is quite low.
Like, I am not trying to be ahero in this situation.
I want to die as quick aspossible, feel nothing, and have
no responsibility.

SPEAKER_09 (01:57:10):
I'm gonna just second that answer.
That sounds great.

SPEAKER_07 (01:57:12):
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like it just it's just the pathof least resistance, truly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:16):
I think I'm gonna fight, but uh like not enough
fight that people think that Ineed to be disemboweled.
You know, like day of the deadwhere they're just kind of like
ripping.
Don't make a meal out of me.
They're like, oh, let's playaround with the zinards.

SPEAKER_09 (01:57:29):
It would mess up your Pink Floyd shirt.
That's not okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:57:32):
Right.
I gotta protect the shirt.

SPEAKER_07 (01:57:34):
You don't want to go for a zombie that is already
like satisfied and just goingfor seconds.
You want to go for a starvingzombie that's like you don't
want someone to like half-assthe job of eating you.
That sucks.

SPEAKER_09 (01:57:47):
Yeah, I agree.
You know, and I'm actuallytaking this back.
Now that I think about it, it'sactually best to get bit and
then get away because otherwiseyou're just gonna be fully
consumed by potentially just onezombie or a full horde before
you reanimate.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what you gottaguard against.

SPEAKER_07 (01:58:00):
The question is, are you conscious when you
reanimate?
Oh, we don't know that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:58:04):
Oh we don't know this.
We don't know.
You'll you'll find out.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58:08):
Just like all death.
How to read more bodies parttwo.

SPEAKER_05 (01:58:12):
Stay tuned.
I'd want as much of me intact aspossible, so I'd probably give
them like a piece of the forearmon the left side, left forearm.
You know, I got my hands left, Ican grab people.
Um, I'm not gonna be dragging myinnards all over the place.
I'm gonna be a full one piecebody with legs and arms.
Um, and I might even, you know,pass off as being alive for a

(01:58:35):
little while.
That'll give me not in thatoutfit.
Not in that outfit, no.

SPEAKER_07 (01:58:40):
No, not in your free hugs outfit.

SPEAKER_05 (01:58:43):
Yeah, but you know what?
I'm gonna be shambling prettyquick though.

SPEAKER_09 (01:58:45):
I have to say, I think I'm going to, with your
permission, I'd like to draw usall uh this winter when I it's
cold in our zombie best.
I think this could be a greatlittle doodle.

SPEAKER_07 (01:58:54):
That would be fun.
We'd frame that.

SPEAKER_09 (01:58:57):
You have to send me a picture of you two in your
favorite outfits.

SPEAKER_07 (01:59:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_09 (01:59:01):
I love it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:59:01):
You have to draw as flattering.

SPEAKER_09 (01:59:03):
I'll try you like chibis, and you're gonna be
satisfied.

SPEAKER_07 (01:59:06):
Great.
Great.
Um, should we jump into is itass?
Is it time?

SPEAKER_04 (01:59:12):
Is it ass?
Is it ass.
Um, so this is uh fun littlething that we do with every book
we read, and we try to gauge ourscale of like what we rate the
book on versus what kind of thepopular prevailing feelings
amongst the interwebs are.
So uh we scrounge throughGoodreads and we find some fun
reviews, and uh we kind of givethe general consensus of what

(01:59:36):
people are saying out there.
So on Goodreads, this book getsa 3.91 stars out of five.
And there are almost 110,000ratings for this book.
Wow.
Wow.
Um, so one of the quality fivestar reviews I found says the
words printed on each copy ofWarm Bodies are turned to a vast
perf are tuned to a vastperfection greater than the sky

(01:59:59):
itself.
Itself.
Oh.
Isaac Marion, I give you 10million standing ovations.
I declare you to be a master ofwords, an enchanter of souls, a
rainbow at the end of ahurricane.

SPEAKER_07 (02:00:11):
Okay, come on.
Come on.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:13):
This is a love letter.
Dear God and all the deitiesthat exist.
Mr.
Marion is such a trulyinexplicably amazing writer.

SPEAKER_07 (02:00:20):
Oh, I hate this guy.
I hate him.
Is this Isaac Marion's mom orsomething?
Yeah, this is Isaac's mom.
For sure.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:30):
His publicist.

SPEAKER_07 (02:00:31):
This is too far.
That's too far.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:33):
It's a bit much.
It's way much.
I loved it because it was justso over the top.

SPEAKER_07 (02:00:38):
I'm gonna I'm puking.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:39):
Yeah.
All right.
Three stars.

SPEAKER_07 (02:00:42):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:43):
Marion's prose is beautiful and breathtaking at
times, but he describes hisworld in gory details.
It's often bloody, smelly, anddisgusting.

SPEAKER_00 (02:00:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:00:52):
But it's also very sweet, gentle, and simply
adorable.
If you think you can handlezombies carrying pieces of
brains in their pocket and otherzombies trying to have sex but
not quite succeeding, you shouldreally read this book.

SPEAKER_07 (02:01:06):
Those are the things okay, but I agree, except for
the if you think you can handle,like how vanilla are these
readers?

SPEAKER_09 (02:01:16):
Is that they're like, I don't know if I can
handle brains in pockets.
You haven't met my mother.
She can't watch the uh junglebook, the movie.
It's too scary for her.
So this would be too much.

SPEAKER_07 (02:01:29):
I guess Mowgli can be a little bit over the top.
I guess the snake.

SPEAKER_09 (02:01:33):
It was the snake that upset her.
Yeah, she didn't like the snake.
Oh, the head is I don't know howwe're related because I can
watch all these things, but shecan't.

SPEAKER_07 (02:01:41):
The jungle book?

SPEAKER_09 (02:01:42):
She can't.
She can't watch it.
It's too scary.

SPEAKER_07 (02:01:44):
I loved the jungle book as a kid.

SPEAKER_09 (02:01:46):
I thought it was good too, but I had to comfort
my mother after we watched it.

SPEAKER_07 (02:01:50):
Thank you.
You know that song?

SPEAKER_04 (02:01:54):
Sarah's determined to bring our podcast into a
singing podcast.

SPEAKER_07 (02:01:58):
I like to sing on every podcast.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (02:02:00):
I think it's like me.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:06):
And even as I glare at her across from the table,
she just does not stop.
She just keeps going and going.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02:12):
I'm just guided by my heart.
I can't tell you more.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:15):
I feel that.

SPEAKER_09 (02:02:16):
I think it's good to have the freedom to sing.
And yes, I sing at the end ofevery episode, and Dan hates me
for it.
Romantic.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (02:02:22):
Leah, are we soulmates?
I think we are.
This this quadruplet sex teplet,we have to invite Joe and Uli
this.
Of course.
I think it's meant to be.
I think it's meant to be.
Yeah.
Dan, or just Dan and Greg couldleave.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02:35):
No, no, we need to have Greg stay.
I'm kidding.
Oh, oh!

SPEAKER_05 (02:02:41):
Dan, you're out.
I'm gonna play video games.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02:45):
No, we need to have Greg and Dan stay.

SPEAKER_05 (02:02:47):
Dan's playing video games.
I'm hanging out with him.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:49):
No.
Break up the PS5.
No singing in the Xbox.

SPEAKER_07 (02:02:53):
No, but I promise I'll sing to you.

SPEAKER_04 (02:02:55):
Uh again, we'll be in the corner playing Xbox and
PlayStation.

SPEAKER_02 (02:02:59):
It's perfect, and we'll make up songs.
I love that.
That's a good idea.

SPEAKER_06 (02:03:02):
Okay, you uh uh read us the one-star one.

SPEAKER_04 (02:03:05):
One star review.
It was the worst book I've readin my whole life.
Oh.
Zombie sex, come on.
And the F-bomb on every singlepage, nine exclamation points.
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (02:03:16):
Nine, you counted.
Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_04 (02:03:18):
Because it's it it it just really gets to the heart
of the I didn't notice that manyF-bombs.

SPEAKER_09 (02:03:24):
I say an F-bomb in every sentence, so Me too.

SPEAKER_07 (02:03:26):
I say fuck a lot.
So maybe I just didn't evennotice.

SPEAKER_04 (02:03:30):
The language the writer used was confusing and
hard to follow.
And trust me, I'm no slackerwhen it comes to reading.

SPEAKER_09 (02:03:37):
Oh you know what?
I don't trust this person atall.

SPEAKER_07 (02:03:40):
This person is a company weird.
I know how to read.
I feel underdressed.

SPEAKER_04 (02:03:46):
Listen, Dr.
Seuss, I got him nailed down.

SPEAKER_07 (02:03:49):
Trust me, I have many leather-bound books.

SPEAKER_05 (02:03:52):
You know, people who know how to read don't need to
tell you that they know how toread.

SPEAKER_07 (02:03:57):
Correct.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, like what's the saying oflike if you have to talk about
it, you don't have much to talkabout.

SPEAKER_02 (02:04:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (02:04:05):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:06):
Uh R is married.
Come on, how do freaking zombiesmarry?
Yeah.
Explain it.
Freaking zombies.

SPEAKER_01 (02:04:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:15):
This is the kind of person no a zombie.

SPEAKER_08 (02:04:18):
What?

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:19):
Yeah.
M is a zombie douche who's pornand has zombie sex.

SPEAKER_08 (02:04:24):
Of course.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:25):
You're right.
This book should have an M formature sticker on the front.

SPEAKER_07 (02:04:30):
Totally.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:31):
The writer's entitled to write whatever he
pleases.
I just wish he could have warnedme.

SPEAKER_07 (02:04:36):
Yeah, it was very crude.
This love story.

SPEAKER_09 (02:04:39):
I mean, it's 2020.
When did what year was thisreview from?
Did you write it down?

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:44):
Uh I did not write down the review.
The year.

SPEAKER_09 (02:04:46):
Let's assume it's on the age of the internet because
it's on the internet.
There you can read contentwarnings.
Let's assume it's from a Mormon.
It has to be.

SPEAKER_04 (02:04:55):
I like to make fun of people who just egregiously
enumerate every single triggerwarning.
And sometimes the triggerwarnings are so ridiculous and
stupid.
It's like technology is used inthis book.
You know what it reminds me of?
Fucking Luddite?
What are we doing here?

SPEAKER_07 (02:05:09):
Remember when we read Jurassic Park?
And one of the negative reviewswas like, I read this to my son
before bat, and it washorrifying.

SPEAKER_02 (02:05:18):
What were you doing?
What kind of parent are you?

SPEAKER_07 (02:05:22):
It's Jurassic Park.
What did you think was gonnahappen?

SPEAKER_05 (02:05:25):
I thought it was a nice story about dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_07 (02:05:27):
Yeah, dinosaurs happen and things go poorly.
What did you think was gonnahappen?
Oh god, who is reading a zombiebook expecting it to just be
very PC?
This needs to be M for maturebecause of the porn.

SPEAKER_09 (02:05:44):
What porn?
I know that the M at one pointmet Lar, they is it M or R that
says that M like likes to eatwomen because it's like porn to
like eat their brains.
I don't remember.
But that's as far as we get.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (02:05:57):
Yeah, I don't I like I know that M is like, oh bad
news for the ladies.
Like he's like the ladies' manof the zombies.
No.
But it's it's ironic and funnybecause they're literally just
bumping uglies against eachother like moths to a flame.
Like it's it's it being offendedat this is hilarious to me.

SPEAKER_09 (02:06:15):
Yes, agree.
I love that you all do thisreview segment.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
Well, then let's talk about ourfinal reviews then.

SPEAKER_04 (02:06:21):
Yep.
How are we all feeling here atthe end of Warm Bodies the Book?
Well, we rate things out ofZeds, which is basically just
not stars.

SPEAKER_09 (02:06:28):
It's stars, but I call them Zeds.
Yeah.
Uh Canadian.
And yep.
I'm gonna give it a solid sevenZeds for me.
I really enjoyed it.
Um, is this out of 10?
Yeah, for me it's out of ten.
I like the nuance of ten versusfive.
Oh shit.
We go out of five.
Sarah, what do you think a Zedrepresents?

SPEAKER_07 (02:06:46):
A Z, of course, is a zero.
In Canada, they have they havehockey pucks, which they refer
to as Zeds.
Depending on the depending onthe depends on the region in
Canada that you're coming from.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:06):
Sure, of course.

SPEAKER_09 (02:07:07):
Aren't you basically across the border from Canada
where you live?

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:10):
Yeah, we could be to Canada in 20.
So in the case, that's why sheknows all this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (02:07:15):
In French, a Zed is a hockey puck.

SPEAKER_00 (02:07:19):
We.
Alright.

SPEAKER_07 (02:07:21):
We.
You got it.

unknown (02:07:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:24):
All right, cool.
So one out of ten hockey pucks.
What do you give this?

SPEAKER_07 (02:07:27):
I gave it four out of five.
So I guess I give it eight outof ten Z.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (02:07:32):
Um, it worked for me on a lot of levels.
I liked the romance.
I like that Perry was such acomplicated character.
I like the nebulous relationshipbetween Perry and R.
I liked the humor.
I loved the horror and theheartbreak.
I think that it was a good blendof all of them.
There was a little bit missingfor me in terms of character
development.
And that's the only place whereI docked some points.

(02:07:55):
But overall, I gave it out offive.
I get it four four stars, soeight out of ten.
I still don't know what a Zedis.
I assume it's like a Tim Hortonstidbit.

SPEAKER_09 (02:08:04):
A Zed bit?
I'm never gonna tell.
I actually really appreciateyour interpretations.

SPEAKER_07 (02:08:09):
I think it's it's a tidbit.
Isn't that what the mini donorcalls is?

SPEAKER_09 (02:08:13):
Tim Tim Hortons because Tim Hortons a Timbit,
yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (02:08:15):
Timbits, that's right.

SPEAKER_09 (02:08:16):
We have Tim Hortons, and they are referred to as
Zeds.
Zeds, yeah.
There's a special Zed flavor.

SPEAKER_07 (02:08:23):
We have we have Tim Hortons.
I think that Detroit is the onlyAmerican city that has Tim
Hortons.

SPEAKER_09 (02:08:30):
You are incorrect.
It's also in Florida where allthe snowbirds go.
Yeah.
And there's some in upstate NewYork.

SPEAKER_02 (02:08:35):
All over upstate New York.
They're really I've seen them inOhio.
Canada's colonizing the UnitedStates, did you know?
But we don't count Ohio.

SPEAKER_07 (02:08:42):
Oh, well, Ohio doesn't count.

SPEAKER_02 (02:08:44):
No, Ohio's not a real state.

SPEAKER_07 (02:08:45):
But um, that's crazy to know if they were in Florida.
That surprises me.
But yeah, Tim Hortons, because Iremember when I lived on the
West Coast, I went to college onthe West Coast, and it
ironically, in a Spanish class,our Spanish teacher was showing
us all these different um chainsaround the world that were also
in the US, but no one on theWest Coast recognized them.

(02:09:08):
And they were all these kind ofdifferent, like piggly wiggly
and like all this stuff.
And it's like, oh my God, isn'tthis interesting?
Just to show us the example ofculture and how how widespread
culture is, even in our owncountry.
And she showed Tim Hortons, orin our it just around the world.
She showed Tim Hortons, shegoes, Well, this is only in
Canada.
This is not in the US.
And I was like, That'sincorrect.

(02:09:28):
It is in the US.
She was like, Oh no, this isjust in Canada.
And I was like, No, I'm fromDetroit, Michigan, ma'am.
Ma'am.
Yeah, I got Tim Splain me.
You knew.
Don't Tim Splain to me, senora.

SPEAKER_05 (02:09:44):
And then she was like, Well, Detroit's actually
in Canada.

SPEAKER_09 (02:09:47):
I mean, you were right across the road from
Windsor, or the not the road,the river.

SPEAKER_07 (02:09:51):
She's like, listen, I haven't been further west path
Colorado.

SPEAKER_09 (02:09:55):
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
But she's spreadingmisinformation in this day and
age, she was lying to our entireclass.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:02):
Her thoughts are dangerous.

SPEAKER_08 (02:10:04):
Dan, how many Zeds are you gonna go?

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:08):
You know, I think I I think I agree with you on the
seven Zeds, Leah.
Um, I liked I like this as abook.
Uh if I was judging it justbased on being a zombie book, I
would score it lower.
Because I don't I don't like itas a zombie book as much.
I think it's fine.
But as a book, I thought it wasreally enjoyable.

(02:10:28):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 (02:10:28):
Okay, then I have to know as a zombie book, what
would you rate it?
Just for fun.
Like three.

SPEAKER_09 (02:10:34):
Out of ten?
Whoa, that's harsh.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:36):
It is.
I don't agree.
You know, I I think it kind ofbalances in the middle because I
it is a good book.

SPEAKER_07 (02:10:43):
It wasn't very vicious for a zombie book.

SPEAKER_05 (02:10:45):
As a z as a zombie story.
Just the story.
If you took all the elements andyou described to me the story of
this zombie book, I'd be like,that doesn't sound like a very
good zombie story.
But if I read the book, which Idid, promise I read it.
Sure you did.
Sure you did.
Um then I'd be like, yeah, itwill it was good.
I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_09 (02:11:04):
I didn't realize you had such a purist approach.
I yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (02:11:07):
I'm a zombie evangelical.

SPEAKER_09 (02:11:10):
Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 (02:11:11):
I don't want one of those in this house.

SPEAKER_07 (02:11:13):
Gregor, what would you rate it out of 10 Z?

SPEAKER_04 (02:11:17):
I'm gonna I was at a three out of five, so I'm gonna
I'm gonna go one Zed under Danand Lee and give it a six.

SPEAKER_00 (02:11:23):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (02:11:24):
I struggled, and we didn't really talk about this,
it doesn't matter.
I can encapsulate it right here.
I struggled with the last thirdof this book.
It felt kind of slow andmeandering and uh and it felt a
little inert at times to me.
And so I just I enjoyed thebeginning, I loved R, I loved
the humor, but I kind ofstruggled with like literally

(02:11:45):
the last 50, 60, 70 page.
Well, it's only like 200 and soodd.
So probably about the last 60pages I struggled with kind of
fighting through.

SPEAKER_05 (02:11:52):
Yeah, slow, meandering, unsteady legs.
Yeah, it's it's almost like itwas shambling to the finish
line.

SPEAKER_07 (02:12:00):
Which arguably a zombie would be doing.

SPEAKER_05 (02:12:03):
Yeah, I think maybe that was on purpose.
This is art.

SPEAKER_09 (02:12:06):
Maybe for me, I didn't experience that because
at that point I had actually gotit to the one point, like the
one speed of what it should be.
So you speed up the pace feltbetter.

SPEAKER_02 (02:12:15):
This thing is just clipping right along.

SPEAKER_07 (02:12:18):
Wow, he's really just kind of clipping along.
Yeah, that's exactly all right.
Well, amazing.
I mean, okay, so next time we'regonna discuss the film.

SPEAKER_04 (02:12:28):
We are.
We're gonna come back with alittle bit of some uh one more
round of dating games so thatDan and I can redeem yourself,
hopefully.
Redeem us.

SPEAKER_02 (02:12:37):
I can't wait to be embarrassed.
We need no redeem.

SPEAKER_07 (02:12:41):
I I so Lee and I were joking about this.
That at first we were like,these guys are fucked.
And then we were like, watch,they're gonna know us so much
better than we know them.
Like, we you're so confident.
We might be overconfident to thepoint where like we think we
know our men really well.
Our men might know us way betterthan we think they do.

SPEAKER_09 (02:13:00):
Only time will tell.

SPEAKER_07 (02:13:03):
You men are sneaky, like you notice things about us
that I don't realize you noticebecause you're not as
forthcoming with the impressionsthat you have of me.

SPEAKER_04 (02:13:14):
I'm not as forthcoming with my words.

SPEAKER_07 (02:13:16):
Yeah, and I am.
I tell you every second of theday how much I love you.
Same.
No, you don't.

SPEAKER_09 (02:13:25):
Annoyed by it, but it's okay.
I can feel the love.
Well, this has been really fun.
This has been so fun.

SPEAKER_04 (02:13:31):
It's been awesome.
So we will come back and do itagain next week.
Dan and Leah, thank you so much.
You guys rock.
Check out the Zombie Book ClubPodcast, please.
Thank you, everybody.

SPEAKER_09 (02:13:41):
They are and check out Wicked Words Book Club and
Podcast.
I was gonna say, I think it'swhichever way you're coming
from, welcome.
And look at how cool these otherpeople are, and maybe we really
should just be a quadquadruplet.

SPEAKER_07 (02:13:54):
You know what?
Maybe everybody listening and usshould all have a compound.

SPEAKER_09 (02:13:58):
I'm don't I'm down.
That's all I've ever wanted,Sarah.

SPEAKER_07 (02:14:01):
No masters.
The only difference between usand a cult is that there's no
gods, no masters.
What about me and my crown?

SPEAKER_09 (02:14:07):
I want to be a cult leader.
And we need firepower.
We can't do that.
We have some guns.

SPEAKER_03 (02:14:12):
Yeah, I do too.

SPEAKER_07 (02:14:13):
No, my god.
It's not gonna work.
It never works.

SPEAKER_03 (02:14:17):
We just need to be able to protect ourselves.

SPEAKER_07 (02:14:19):
We just need some Nikes and some purple blankets,
so it'll be fine.
No.

SPEAKER_03 (02:14:22):
The fart blankets.

SPEAKER_02 (02:14:23):
You said definitely some fart blankets.
Oh, that's for the next episode.

SPEAKER_07 (02:14:30):
Oh, why do I have no self-control?
Like, I can't I have no shame.

SPEAKER_09 (02:14:35):
It's what makes you wonderful.
Don't ever change.
It's it's makes it all work.
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (02:14:40):
Well, much love to y'all.
I'm looking forward to the watchparty.
And in the meantime, staywicked.
Stay wicked.

SPEAKER_08 (02:14:47):
Might sound crazy, but the end is nigh, baby.
Bye bye bye.
Don't die.
Uh bye bye.
Don't die.
Yeah.
Bye bye, everybody.
Bye.

SPEAKER_00 (02:15:00):
Bye.

SPEAKER_08 (02:15:00):
Oh.
Bye bye.

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