Warm Bodies (THE MOVIE) with special guest Wicked Words Book Club | Zombie Book Club Ep 117 - Zombie Book Club

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SPEAKER_04 (00:20):
So we're 17 minutes in.

SPEAKER_05 (00:25):
It's a little bit late.
I'm only nine minutes in, but Ithink we should start and we'll
just pick it up somewhererandomly in there wherever we
like.

SPEAKER_02 (00:31):
Well, I mean, do you guys want to get started by
telling us a little bit aboutyou and Zombie Book Club and
what you guys do if this is thefirst time people are tuning in?

SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
Yeah.
First of all, if this is thefirst time you're tuning in and
you've not read the book, WarmBodies, shame on you.
Go listen to part one.
Pardon, Sarah?
Spoilers ahead.
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (00:50):
Does this mean we've started the episode?
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
Oh, that's my first start as I'm scolding the
audience.
But yes, what's Zombie BookClub, Dan?

SPEAKER_04 (00:59):
Oh, you're asking me.
Boy.
I wish I was prepared for thatquestion.
Zombie Book Club is a podcastthat we made where we talk about
zombie books and we talk tozombie authors about their
books.
And also sometimes we watchmovies.
Um, we probably watched moremovies than we've read books, if
we're being honest.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20):
Okay.
So it's like zombie film clubwith books.

SPEAKER_04 (01:25):
Yeah.
It's and it's specificallyaround the zombie apocalypse
genre, we like to break it downum into you know, we we like to
compare it to our current worldum and draw parallels from it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
Yeah.
My brother's uh visiting rightnow, and he's so instantly was
like, Oh, I bet you lovewatching the zombie films
because it helps you escape fromreality.
And I was like, no.
This is what makes me thinkabout our reality, but in a much
more fun version where there'szombies.

SPEAKER_05 (01:53):
He does not understand the core tenet of
zombie lore.

SPEAKER_04 (01:58):
No.
The the zombie apocalypse is somuch better than the apocalypse
we're facing right now.

SPEAKER_02 (02:04):
Then you would you say then apocalypse now?
Oh.

SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
Ooh.
Yikes.

SPEAKER_01 (02:09):
I would choose a zombie apocalypse over
Apocalypse Now.
Oh, but it's such a good movie.
Oh, it's a great movie.
I don't want to be in it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:15):
You know what's great about Apocalypse Now is
that the Vietnam War ends.

SPEAKER_03 (02:20):
That's true.

SPEAKER_04 (02:21):
And I know that it ends because we live in the
future.
But the current apocalypse thatwe're living in and the zombie
apocalypse, uh, we don't knowwhen that ends or if it does.
And maybe by the time it ends,we're all dead.

SPEAKER_00 (02:35):
Or zombie lifting.

SPEAKER_04 (02:36):
Yeah.
So silver line.

SPEAKER_05 (02:39):
Welcome.
Welcome.
And in that vein, though, I didbased on last week's pod, I did
actually go back and listen toyour con plan eight eight.
Is it 8888?
Is that yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (02:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (02:50):
I went back and listened to that episode this
week.
And in this whole idea of livingthrough the zombie apocalypse
and surviving, that episode wasone hilarious and two, insanely
educational.
I adored it.
I thought it was great.
But you know, just like you guysare saying, that mashup you kind
of do of like reality withzombies and the frightening
nature of the hellscape we'recurrently living in and the

(03:12):
challenges and all that kind ofstuff.
But um just really, reallyfunny, really great, really
educational.
And I didn't realize I needed tobe afraid of them, but evil
magic chicken zombies.

SPEAKER_01 (03:23):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (03:24):
I mean, just nightmare fuel people.

SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
So, Greg, do you have an impersonation?
Like, could you give us yourbest evil magic chicken zombie
clock right now?

SPEAKER_05 (03:33):
That sounds like the real that's that's yeah.
I mean, boy, if I had known itwas coming, I would have spent
some time in the bathroompreparing.
Smoked pack of marble.

SPEAKER_02 (03:43):
What are you doing?
Are you smoking cigarettes?

SPEAKER_05 (03:48):
Gargled a bottle of jackets.
His method, okay?
Sean Penn method over here.

SPEAKER_03 (03:55):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (03:56):
I love it.

SPEAKER_04 (03:57):
Uh uh fun fact about the evil magic chicken zombies.
That that episode has spawnednot only hundreds of impressions
of people clucking like zombiechickens, but also um a song and
a movie trailer.

SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
Yep.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 (04:17):
Yeah.
Um I think episode 100 has bothat the end.

SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
Yes, at the very, very end.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (04:24):
Well, there was during that episode, you guys
also threatened merch around theevil magic chicken zombies and
your categorization of zombies.
And um there was also uh a uhdiscussion of a rule 34 coloring
book, I think.
So I gotta listen to thisepisode again.
Yeah, I don't know.
You should listen to those guysover at the Zombie Book Club

(04:45):
podcast.
Their shit's pretty tight.
It's fun.
I gotta do that.

SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
We don't follow through on the rule 34 coloring
book.
We do have a t-shirt.
It's all right.
I would like to redo it.
I drew it, I did draw an evilmagic chicken.

SPEAKER_05 (04:56):
I think it's amazing, personally.
Uh, tell us about Wicked Words.
Well, we we're gonna try to dothis better than we did last
week because we epically fumbledthis last week when you asked
us.
So uh we are Wicked Words.
We are a horror media obsessedpodcast.
Uh, and for each series of ourpodcast, we read a horror or
horror genre adjacent book.

(05:17):
So, like sci-fi thriller,supernatural, what have you.
Um, and then we pair that bookreading with a movie, either the
adaptation of the book orsomething that is in the same
vein, like when we read Clown ina Cornfield, but then watched
Killer Clowns from Outer Space,which was almost like a
one-to-one comparison of thebooks.

SPEAKER_02 (05:37):
No, it really wasn't extremely uh poor choice.

SPEAKER_05 (05:43):
But it was fun, not one of our better laid plans.
I mean, hey, it was really fun,it was fun, and people really
dug Killer Clowns from OuterSpace a lot more than we did.

SPEAKER_02 (05:53):
So it's a cult classic, and I remember from
high school poorly.
I was like, oh my god, no, thisis such a good movie.
Yeah, it's a cult classic for areason.
Like, trust me.
I was like, they're veryself-aware of how bad it is.
It's it's bad on purpose, andthen you watch and you're like,
this is it's really bad.

SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
That on purpose is the best kind of like the film.
I actually just added this tolisten to later.

SPEAKER_04 (06:16):
I have a bit of a story about Killer Clowns from
Outer Space.
It's short though.

SPEAKER_03 (06:20):
Who doesn't go on?

SPEAKER_04 (06:22):
So when I saw Killer Clowns from Outer Space, I was
very, very young.
I was, I believe, visiting mybiological father, which is
something that only happenedonce every couple of years.
And it was on in maybe my auntand uncle's house, if I remember
right.
Anyways, I was a bit young, so II hadn't really figured out the

(06:45):
world yet.
So I see these clowns, I seethese tents that are also
spaceships, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (06:51):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 (06:52):
And all this weird shit happening.
And I'm just like, is this real?
Is this actually happening?
And I was very concerned.
I I knew it was a movie, but I Ialso felt like movies were
always like uh based like basedon a true story was like

(07:13):
something that always was likeat the beginning of a movie that
I was known to watch.
Like this is based on a truestory, or it was a cartoon and I
knew it was fake.

SPEAKER_02 (07:23):
Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (07:24):
But this wasn't a cartoon and it had things that
were familiar to me, likeclowns.

SPEAKER_02 (07:28):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (07:29):
And I'm just like horrible that this is happening
to people.

SPEAKER_05 (07:33):
Is that very destabilizing to you?
I mean, at that at that point,it was.

SPEAKER_02 (07:37):
It was like, come on, son.
But you know, it clearly oneshot to shape your mind for the
next two years.

SPEAKER_04 (07:45):
And I don't even think that anybody was watching
it.
It was just on, and I justwandered into the room and I'm
just like, I don't like what'shappening here.

SPEAKER_05 (07:55):
Why is there a 10-minute shower scene with a
woman who just can't seem to getherself clean?

SPEAKER_01 (08:01):
Wow.
I definitely I'm gonna justlisten to your episode and then
decide if I want to watch it.
Like it follows a new one.
No.
I've only listened to mostlyeither your author interviews or
your book uh movie reviewsbecause I'm afraid to like
listen to a book I haven't readyet.

SPEAKER_02 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (08:21):
Um but I gotta catch up now so that I can be on to
the next one.
Um who is next in your lineup?

SPEAKER_02 (08:26):
Oh, well, that is the secret surprise.
Okay.
But we will tell you after we'redone recording if you'd like to
know.
I would love to know becauseI'll need more time to read
because I'm slow.
Well, yeah, you'll have plentyof time to read this line.

SPEAKER_05 (08:39):
We have a little hiatus coming.

SPEAKER_02 (08:40):
It'll be a little hiatus, but yeah, you'll have uh
until the end of November toread this one.
Oh, that okay, I gotta get onit.

SPEAKER_01 (08:48):
I'm slow.
But I do have a more seriousquestion for you.
It's the zombie apocalypse, andyou only get one book and one
movie to entertain you for therest of your days, and you both
have to agree.

SPEAKER_02 (09:04):
Oh no, that's not gonna work.
That won't work.

SPEAKER_04 (09:09):
Well, you gotta figure it out real quick.
Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 (09:12):
Okay, I'll I'll choose the book side.
I the first book I thought of,you're gonna be like, absolutely
not, is The Odyssey.
Oh my god, there.

SPEAKER_00 (09:21):
I love the Odyssey.

SPEAKER_02 (09:22):
Just some light reading.
But no, listen, listen, listen.
If this is the only book youhave to read for eternity, one,
the Odyssey has a ton ofdifferent stories in it.
Yeah, there's a ton of likelittle stories made up.
And two, it's so dense, you haveplenty of time to read and think

(09:45):
about it and go, wait a minute,okay, let's go back.
What does Homer mean by this?
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (09:50):
Okay.
I'll give you the Odyssey, whichmeans carte blanche.
I now get to pick the movie andyou have no choice.

SPEAKER_04 (09:55):
Great.
Is it the made-for-tv version ofthe Odyssey?

SPEAKER_02 (10:00):
Is it oh brother, where art thou?

SPEAKER_05 (10:03):
Oh that that actually would be a uh you know
a decent soundtrack to go with.

SPEAKER_02 (10:07):
That's based on the Odyssey.

SPEAKER_05 (10:09):
But no, I I think just off the cuff, I'm gonna
make you pay, and I'm gonna gowith the Chevy Chase classic
Fletch, just to really kind ofI've never seen that.
Yep, exactly.
And you will hate it.

SPEAKER_04 (10:19):
I've also never seen it.

SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
Why will Sarah hate it?

SPEAKER_05 (10:22):
Yeah, it's just it's like old, dumb humor.

SPEAKER_02 (10:25):
Most people I love Chevy Chase.

SPEAKER_05 (10:28):
Very funny.

SPEAKER_02 (10:29):
I mean, are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_05 (10:30):
I really find him hilarious.
But uh yeah.
I don't know.
But that's that's I mean, Idon't know how to like I could
pick like my National LampoonsChristmas Vacation.
Never heard of it.
Uh it's a very old black andwhite movie.

SPEAKER_02 (10:45):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (10:45):
Uh Orson Wells and I love Orson Wells.
Joseph Cotton are in it.
That would actually be my numberone choice, honestly.
My number two choice isChinatown with Jack Nichols.
Those are my two favoritemovies.

SPEAKER_02 (10:55):
Never seen that either.

SPEAKER_04 (10:56):
And you're not gonna pick either of those.
You're gonna instead pick Fletchbecause you know it'll upset
Sarah.

SPEAKER_05 (11:02):
Fletch was a punitive choice.
I'm not gonna lie.
Punitive.
I would pick the third man, alsobecause there's a banging
soundtrack all done by a zither.
What's a zither?
Look it up.
You can find like if you justlook up third man zither on
YouTube, you'll get thesoundtrack and everything for
the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (11:18):
But I just want to know what the zither is.

SPEAKER_05 (11:20):
It's a it's a stringed instrument.

SPEAKER_02 (11:21):
Oh, strange.
Zither with a Zed?

SPEAKER_05 (11:24):
Yes, with a Zed.

SPEAKER_02 (11:25):
It is.
It's a stringed instrumentcharacterized by a flat, shallow
soundbox with multiple stringsstretched horizontally across
its surface, played withfingers, or a plectrum.

SPEAKER_01 (11:35):
None of those words meant anything to me.
Right?

unknown (11:38):
Plectrum.

SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
It was made in 1949?

SPEAKER_05 (11:42):
Very old.
Yep.
Okay.
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (11:44):
Some people I thought you meant the zither.
I'm like, that's a very recentinstrument.

SPEAKER_02 (11:48):
Actually, it was a popular folk instrument in the
19th century.

SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
I'm like still reading Wikipedia.

SPEAKER_02 (11:56):
Oh boy.
Anyway, should we do the datinggame?

SPEAKER_04 (12:00):
Let's do the dating game.

SPEAKER_02 (12:01):
I'm scared.
I'm dying to know what thequestions are for this.

SPEAKER_05 (12:05):
Oh, are you ready for this?

SPEAKER_04 (12:07):
Me too.
Because, you know, um, fulldisclosure, uh, I I am
completely and utterly destroyedfrom the last several months of
nonstop paving and shit that Ido.
Um, so my brain has not beenavailable.
So I don't even know what thequestions are.

SPEAKER_01 (12:30):
Okay, very good.
Thank you, Greg, for pullingthis through.
Then I'm going to assume you didsome of the heavy lifting.

SPEAKER_05 (12:35):
That's all right.
Dan, do you have the questionsor do you want me to just write
a lift?
I have the questions.
Okay.
Okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 (12:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (12:41):
So um why don't we start here?
Because this the first questionwill apply for both Leah and
Sarah.

SPEAKER_02 (12:47):
Okay.
And who's answering first?
Leah?

SPEAKER_05 (12:50):
I will ask Leah.
Let's do that.
Yeah.
So um Dan and Dan and I haveeach put together our own death
row meals.

SPEAKER_03 (12:59):
Oh, no, you got this idea from me.
Oh, I did not.

SPEAKER_05 (13:02):
I had this idea before.
Um, we have selected, I don'tknow how many people how many
items you selected.
I I have four.
Okay.
We have selected four items forthis menu.
How many, Leah, of Dan's itemscan you name?

SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
First of all, the world's most epic sandwich.
Like staring at Dan to be like,is sandwich on the list.
I don't think it is.
Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_04 (13:24):
I'm you you there's four items.
Okay.
You get more points if you guessmore.

SPEAKER_01 (13:30):
Yeah, I'm starting with my starting with a
sandwich.

SPEAKER_05 (13:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:34):
Well, what do you mean by epic sandwich?

SPEAKER_05 (13:36):
Is this like Joey Tribiani kind of thing?
What does Joey love?
Sandwiches.

SPEAKER_01 (13:39):
Beef good.
Seems good.
Basically, yes, because if Isay, hey, honey, I'm gonna make
you a sandwich, his eyes turninto hearts and they like beat
out of his eyeballs at me.
He loves a sandwich.
Nothing's fancy, really.
By epic, I mean like lettuce,tomato, onion, some sub sauce,
some foes and meat, tomatoes,and a really good bun.

(14:01):
Yeah.
Um death row meal.
I don't know why this is comingto me, and I could be totally
wrong, but I think you'd wantone last pizza nug.
And I'm not sure if that countsas one thing you're doing.
I don't know what that iseither.
Pizza nug uh is a tradition thatstarted in 2020 when we first
moved to Vermont, and uh it wasour first year with Dan working

(14:22):
constantly, and I was alsoworking constantly because I had
a hell job.
So we invented frozen pizza andvegan chicken nuggets as an
emergency meal.

SPEAKER_04 (14:33):
It's kind of like pizza and wings if you think
about it.

SPEAKER_01 (14:35):
Yeah.
So I'm gonna count that as onejust in case I'm wrong, because
then maybe I'll get half apoint.
Uh then there would be icecream, Ben and Jerry's, probably
Oh fuck, I forget the one thatyou like.
That's it's not caramel sutraanymore lately.
It was something else now.
Damn it.
I'm just gonna say Ben andJerry's ice cream.
I forget the That's fair.

(14:55):
That's fair.

SPEAKER_05 (14:56):
That's fair.

SPEAKER_01 (14:56):
If I could see it, I would know, but I'm bad with
these things.
And then the fourth one, burgerand fries.
Wow.
Am I totally off?

SPEAKER_04 (15:04):
So here's the thing is that I should have put
sandwich on this list.
It went.
Oh no.
I should have put Ben andJerry's ice cream on this, but I
didn't because I was literallyjust hungry and only thinking of
main course food.

unknown (15:21):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (15:22):
However, um, here's my list pizza nuggies.

SPEAKER_02 (15:27):
Oh, pizza nugs.

SPEAKER_04 (15:28):
Cheeseburger.
And I spelled itC-H-E-Z-B-R-G-R.

SPEAKER_02 (15:33):
Of course you did.

SPEAKER_04 (15:34):
And fries.
Okay.
So you inadvertently, with yourcombo meal choices, actually
guessed all four.

SPEAKER_00 (15:41):
I deliberately stacked it.

SPEAKER_04 (15:42):
While I'll guessing too that we're not on there but
should have been.

SPEAKER_01 (15:46):
So do I get four points?

SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
Or do I get I think you nailed it?

SPEAKER_05 (15:49):
It sounds like a four-point winner to me.

SPEAKER_01 (15:51):
Thank you, Greg.
Thank you, Sarah.

SPEAKER_05 (15:52):
Sarah, you can also feel free to use a strategy to
up your odds.

SPEAKER_04 (15:56):
Okay, so now I'll ask.
Okay.
S Sarah.

SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (15:59):
Um, Greg has put together his death row meal.
I don't know what he did to getthere.
Uh, but they're going they'reputting him to death.
Okay.
Greg has selected four items onhis menu.
Um, how many of these items canyou name?

SPEAKER_02 (16:21):
Are there more than four, and you're just saying
there's four possible points?

SPEAKER_05 (16:24):
No, there's four items.

SPEAKER_02 (16:26):
Okay, four items.

SPEAKER_05 (16:27):
Okay, well there are no restrictions, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
He certainly would have he would have a medium rare
steak.
No doubt, perfectly cooked bylike a famous chef that I
couldn't name because I don'tknow the famous chefs, but Greg
does.

SPEAKER_05 (16:45):
Just give me the hot plate in the cell, I'll do it.
Sky Fieri.

SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
Yes, probably crazy.
Yeah, probably what's he called?
Crazy town.
Flavortown.

SPEAKER_05 (16:53):
Flavortown, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
No, it definitely would be a medium mirror steak.
Whiskey would be somewhere onthere if that was permitted.

SPEAKER_04 (17:03):
Is that a food?

SPEAKER_02 (17:04):
It's not, but I'm gonna I think he would go with
whiskey.
And um I better do some combothings just in case.

SPEAKER_05 (17:13):
Well, if you combo these other two items, they're
gonna oh, they might actually begenius.
Go for it.
Um that's something for our nextdinner party.

SPEAKER_02 (17:21):
Okay, so there would definitely be a medium rare
steak.
There'd definitely be whiskey.
Um, and then I think he wouldhave some kind of an indulgence
that he normally wouldn't haveas often, but maybe just wants
to have it for his final meal.
So it'd probably be chickenwings.

SPEAKER_05 (17:40):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (17:41):
Um, and then um, you know what?
Maybe I will go with the icecream idea that he loves um
caramel, salted caramelanything.
It'd be salted caramelsomething, but let's say salted
caramel ice cream.

SPEAKER_05 (17:54):
Well done.
Well done.
You're very, very close.
So salted caramel anything isactually literally what I wrote.

SPEAKER_02 (17:59):
Oh my gosh!

SPEAKER_05 (18:02):
Salted caramel anything for dessert.

SPEAKER_02 (18:04):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (18:04):
Uh so there's a point there.

SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (18:06):
Medium rare steak.
Of course.
Dead on.
Um, your I did go back and forthon my beverage of choice because
I knew you would go there aswell.
I went with like a fish bowlfilled with petite serrah just
to go with the steak.
But whiskey was the other unrealthat you didn't choose whiskey.
It's one or the other, butpetits,rah.

(18:27):
But a but a jess.

SPEAKER_02 (18:28):
Specifically from a certain vineyard, probably.

SPEAKER_05 (18:30):
No, I didn't get that specific, but I something
like that.
Not until they said, Pet Serah.
Um, you were you were very closeon the indulgence.
I went with a warm soft pretzel.

SPEAKER_02 (18:43):
I should have known that.

SPEAKER_05 (18:44):
You know, I love you know I love a good warm soft
pretzel.
Yes, okay.
Yeah, so very, very close, butyou got two out of four.

SPEAKER_02 (18:50):
Okay, two out of four, I'll take.

SPEAKER_05 (18:52):
Yes.
Okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 (18:54):
Okay, but sidebar.
I just have to say that as avegan, the one thing that will
make my mouth still salivatewhen someone says it is a medium
rare steak.
I'm sure.
It's okay.
It's like the one thing I'mlike, oh my god, that sounds so
good.
Okay.
Oh, crazy.
Yeah, sorry.
No, it's okay.
I would just like watch you eatit and vicariously enjoy it in a
really fucked up way.

SPEAKER_02 (19:15):
I have to think it's like, put your pants on, Leah.
Why are you we're back to 34?
What's the next question?

SPEAKER_05 (19:24):
Um Leah, what zombie icon does Dan say he identifies
with the most?

SPEAKER_01 (19:32):
Zombie icon?
Is this can I ask clarificationquestions?
Is a zombie?
An actual zombie.
What?
This is an actual zombie, notlike a person in a zombie.
Like it's not like a characterin a zombie apocalypse, it's an
actual zombie.

SPEAKER_05 (19:46):
Uh really I don't I think it's more like the way we
were kind of phrasing it was uhlike based on horror icons in
the genre and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 (19:57):
So George Romero, George A.
Romero.

SPEAKER_05 (20:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (20:00):
That's that's it, that's your answer.

SPEAKER_01 (20:02):
What why is there more?
It's a zombie icon.
Well, like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (20:06):
I guess I I mean George Romero is an icon.
It's not what I picked.

unknown (20:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (20:12):
Uh I went with a character.
Do you want to try again?
Because like you you were askinga clarifying question, but then
you answered it.
Oh, okay.
So um I was I'm thinking of acharacter in zombie apocalyptic
fiction.

SPEAKER_03 (20:28):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (20:29):
I feel like I should know this and I don't.
I like I want to it's not thezombie pocus pocus, is it?
I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (20:37):
Somebody could be a zombie.

SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
Dan's having an alarm problem.

SPEAKER_04 (20:42):
My my pants are telling me things.
Icon is just a word for somebodyin the zombie apocalypse genre.

SPEAKER_01 (20:50):
Um I'm going to say the wrong answer just for fun,
because I don't know.
Okay.
Brad Pitt in World War Z.

SPEAKER_00 (20:57):
Because I know you would never choose the.

SPEAKER_04 (20:59):
I actually thought about saying that just because
it'd be so wrong and it'd befunny.
Yeah.
Probably the same reason thatyou picked it.
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (21:08):
Because I and you would never pick that.

SPEAKER_04 (21:10):
Yeah, which I feel like deserves partial credit.
Um, but I actually this issomething that I've uh that I've
told you before is that I feellike I identify with um a
combination of both Eugene andAbraham from The Walking Dead.

SPEAKER_01 (21:24):
Oh, see if you'd said The Walking Dead, that's
like too like you know when yousaid to us that it's too much to
ask any horror movie the bestones to watch.
I needed The Walking Dead forcontext.
Yeah.
But okay, yes, Eugene andAbraham for sure.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:38):
Um I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 (21:39):
Two of the characters I like the least, so
I'm not sure what that says are.

SPEAKER_04 (21:42):
But a combination of them.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (21:45):
Maybe that's I think I remember I don't think I
remember who they are.
Is Eugene the old guy?

SPEAKER_01 (21:50):
No, Eugene is the one who is kind of like a he's
autistic.
He's a coward, he makes bullets,he turns uh and he's like with
Negan for a while, and he hasgot a really bad mullet.
Okay.
And then Abraham is the like,whoo, I'm an army guy, and he's
got red hair.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:08):
I'm I'm like a combo of those where I'm just like,
I'm gonna tell you endlesslyabout all the stuff that I know
about trains.
Um, but also when a zombie walksup, I'm gonna punch it directly
between the eyes and it'll justfall over dead.

SPEAKER_01 (22:21):
The difference is that Abraham was dumb.

unknown (22:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:23):
So I see where the U.S.
I'm uh, you know, uh there's avery difficult question.
Thank you.
Thank you for there.
Abraham upfront Eugene in theback.

SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
But I'm curious, you're I'm assuming the next
question for Sarah is not thesame question.

SPEAKER_04 (22:39):
Right it's it's similar.
Um, so Sarah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (22:43):
What what horror icon?
It's an even broader question.
What horror icon does Greg sayhe identifies with the most?

SPEAKER_02 (22:52):
Hannibal lector.

SPEAKER_05 (22:54):
It would be character-based, yes.

SPEAKER_02 (22:55):
Hannibal Ector.

SPEAKER_05 (22:56):
100%.

SPEAKER_02 (22:57):
Final answer, I knew it.

SPEAKER_05 (22:58):
But you have to pick the right Hannibal.

SPEAKER_02 (23:01):
Well, obviously, the the Mads never been Hannibal.

SPEAKER_01 (23:04):
The TV series is mad?
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (23:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (23:08):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
Can you say more about what you relate with?
I love the character, but I'm socurious.

SPEAKER_05 (23:14):
Uh Greg.
I'll let Sarah fill in theblanks for me.

SPEAKER_02 (23:17):
Greg, just because I feel like that was a gimme, and
now I feel like I have to tryharder because the question was
so hard for Leah.
But the reason that Greg relatesthe most specifically to the
Mads Nicholson Hannibal actor isthat he's very smart, but not
smug.

(23:37):
He's very um and he's veryrefined, he's classy, and he
loves cooking, and he's verypassionate about what he's
passionate about, and that isGreg to a T.

SPEAKER_05 (23:51):
And he loves classical music.

SPEAKER_02 (23:52):
And he loves classical music.

SPEAKER_04 (23:53):
Yeah.
That leads me to the thirdquestion perfectly.

SPEAKER_02 (23:58):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (23:59):
This is this is gonna be tough, I think.

SPEAKER_04 (24:01):
Okay.
Sarah.
Okay.
What surprising passion doesGreg have that you only learned
about after you moved in withhim?

unknown (24:12):
What?

SPEAKER_02 (24:14):
What did I only learn about after a surprising
passion?
Yeah, weird.

SPEAKER_05 (24:20):
There's things that you learn, right?
When you're dating somebody, andthen you move in and you're
like, I didn't know you werepassionate about uh stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (24:28):
No, just get in.

SPEAKER_05 (24:30):
Right, exactly.
That's not my answer.

SPEAKER_02 (24:32):
That's fine if you're into that.

SPEAKER_05 (24:33):
Um that's that, then that's that.

SPEAKER_02 (24:35):
Okay, what what is a surprising passion that I only
learned after I moved in withyou?
Because it was like a privatething.

SPEAKER_05 (24:42):
Not necessarily private, but it's like there's
all those things that you don'treally know about somebody until
you live with them and then youshare space and you're like, oh,
holy shit, I didn't realize youwere that crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (24:54):
Surprising passion.

SPEAKER_04 (24:55):
Yeah.
Well, you you did say that he uhhe has a passion for cutting
people up and then cooking them,right?
Right.
Yeah, and you can't do that.
Which might be how I ended up ondeath row.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:05):
That I knew before.

SPEAKER_03 (25:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:08):
God, I guess um, I mean, this is a really
impossible question.
I don't know what passion youhave.
I I could jokingly say that younow have a passion for our cat,
but I know that that's the wronganswer.
Uh maybe it's like mowing thelawn and like taking care of the

(25:29):
lawn.
I don't know.
Well, now that we have a lawn, Iam very passionate about making
sure we're yeah, your lawn wasscorched earth when we were just
dating.

SPEAKER_05 (25:37):
So yeah, we've had to really nurse the lawn back
then.

SPEAKER_02 (25:41):
I really don't know.
I have no idea what the answercould be.

SPEAKER_05 (25:44):
Well, it surprised both you and the cat.
And it is my my love and my overexuberance for Michigan
football.

SPEAKER_02 (25:51):
No, I knew that before I moved in.
Did you?
Yes, because you didn't want towatch football with my parents.

SPEAKER_03 (25:57):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (25:58):
Remember?
They're Michigan State fans.

SPEAKER_03 (26:02):
Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
And you you when we first started dating, you were
like, no, I don't want to.
And I was like, oh no, they'recool, they're gonna be fine.
Like, everyone just drinks abunch, and you were like, No,
I'm the one who wouldn't becool.
I would not be able to watch it.
What would you do?
He gets very angry.

SPEAKER_05 (26:17):
I get very animated.
I'll choose a different A-wordthan angry.

SPEAKER_02 (26:21):
He's he's like Marvin the Martian.
He's like, I'm very angry.
He gets very angry because hejust and he has definitely
scared our cat a few times.
Wow where she just bolts awaybecause he'll yell at the
screen.

SPEAKER_05 (26:36):
I yell, I shout, I clap my hands.
Yeah.
Uh I get the guy thing.

SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
You get you let those feelings out.

SPEAKER_02 (26:43):
My dad was the same way that he'd just go, fucking
come on, come on, and you justget all pissed and you'd be
like, Dad, can you relax?
And he'd be like, Yeah, no, I'mdone fine, Dolly.
It's okay.

SPEAKER_04 (26:54):
You know, that's why I never got into sports, because
uh a lot of people in my lifewere way into sports, and if
their sports teams didn't dogood, they would be pissed off
for a year.
And I'm like, I don't want tospend a year of my life being
mad that something didn't goright on one specific occasion.

SPEAKER_05 (27:14):
Older me has definitely tempered quite a bit,
like like 20-something me.
It could like a loss in Michiganfootball back then would have
ruined an entire weekend for me.
Like, and that's sad to say.
Um, I don't let it do thatanymore.
It's like, all right, when thegame's over, the game's over.
I can't, I'm not gonna carry itwith me any further.
But it doesn't mean that forthose three hours I can't act

(27:35):
the fool.
Oh no, he yeah, he gets at alevel of 15 or 20.

SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
I do think that like uh sports and like loving a team
is a really it's like one of thefew socially acceptable outlets
for man to man, for man to havebig emotion.
And I'm sure you're anemotionally in touch man, Greg,
but I do feel like that's acommon theme that I see.
Like dudes love to let it outwhen they're watching their
favorite game.
Or not favorite game.

SPEAKER_02 (28:01):
It's interesting psychologically the way that
people react to things that arelike because the way your brain
works when you're watching it,the parts of your brain that are
like lighting up are the same asthough you were doing it
yourself.
That's why you get so likeintense about like catch it! Why
didn't you just catch that?
And it's funny because I wouldhave caught it.

(28:22):
Yeah, exactly.
It's like you're sitting on thecouch throwing Send me in,
coach, I'll catch the ball.

SPEAKER_05 (28:27):
Exactly.
But I'm gonna run 80 yardswithout getting winded.

SPEAKER_02 (28:32):
But it's because of the way that our brain works
that we literally are likemonkey see, monkey do, and our
mere neurons are reacting towhat we're watching.
And then when there's failure inwhat we're watching with the
people that we're identifyingwith, we feel like it's a
personal failure on our part.
So if you think about it, likethe younger version of you

(28:54):
wouldn't handle a loss forMichigan football as well as the
current version of you does.
Well, I'm sure the youngerversion of you wouldn't handle a
personal or what's perceived tobe a personal failure as well as
the current version of you wouldhandle what's perceived to be a
personal failure.
It's all a psychological fungame.

SPEAKER_05 (29:13):
Psychology corner with Sarah.

SPEAKER_01 (29:16):
That was quite fascinating.
Now I know why I love HGTV somuch, actually.
Why I found such satisfaction.

SPEAKER_02 (29:22):
Exactly.
Because you watch and you'relike, I could do that.
Or it's why you're on Pinterestfor four hours and you're like,
I'm gonna redo this entire room,and then you're not you're not
doing it.
But for those four hours, yeah,you have completely redecorated
the room in your mind.
That's amazing.

unknown (29:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (29:41):
So, same question, Leah, for you.
Yeah.
I I don't know what time framewe're talking here, though, Dan.
Were we talking um after youguys moved in together or after
you're gonna be able to get thefirst time?
Yeah, which time?

SPEAKER_00 (29:50):
The first time or the second time?

SPEAKER_04 (29:51):
I you know, I only thought about the second time,
but I guess I guess I feel likeit would have there, it would
have been a more you know, ifyou want to let Do you want to
give two answers, first time andsecond time?
Because I have my answer for thefirst time.

SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
What do you mean first time that I didn't know
before I moved in with you?
My first thought is that leavingdishes in the sink, but that's
not a passion.
That's just a thing that Idiscovered.
It's not something that brokeout of the way.
Which you're very good at now, Ihave to give you your flowers.

(30:25):
It was bad, y'all.

SPEAKER_04 (30:26):
I've I've battled too many, too many hordes of
things scurrying towards me todo that now.

SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Yeah, okay.
I have to say this memory outloud so I can actually answer
the question, which is when wefirst moved in together and you
were like, it's okay, we don'tneed to clean the dishes
tonight.
We can do it tomorrow.
And I was like, all right.
And then I had to go into thebathroom, into the bathroom, the
kitchen in the middle of thenight for God knows what reason.
I turned the light on and it waslike a fucking horde, speaking
of zombies, of cockroaches inGeorgia.
It was the most disturbing thingI've noticed.

SPEAKER_03 (30:57):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cockroaches in the south are nota joke.
We're really not like a bigapartment building, so it's not
a thing you can control verywell, other than not leaving the
dishes out.

SPEAKER_04 (31:07):
And they can fly.

SPEAKER_01 (31:08):
Yeah, horrifying.
Um, okay.
Passion.
That's awful.
Passion I learned about this.
Is a really hard question.

SPEAKER_04 (31:15):
It it is, and I don't think you're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
I have another one that's kind of embarrassing.
Are you okay with me saying it'sslightly embarrassing?
Why is it embarrassing?

SPEAKER_02 (31:24):
We're here to listen.

SPEAKER_04 (31:26):
Oh my god.
I feel I feel like I'm getting acontact embarrassment.

SPEAKER_02 (31:31):
Just you can we can we can edit this out if we like
seriously.

SPEAKER_01 (31:37):
I feel like you're really passionate about going to
the bathroom because you're inthere for a really long time.
I've I've never pooped it myentire life.
I feel just scrolling theinternet, but like like 45
minutes later, like what's goingon?
It's not 45 minutes later.

SPEAKER_00 (31:53):
No.
Yes, it is.
No.
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (31:57):
So is that your answer?
Yes, that's my answer.
That's not that's not mypassion, Leah.
Okay.
Do you even know me, Leah?

SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
I all the passions I can think of that I know I knew
before we moved in together.
Okay, what about after you gotmarried?
Is it different?

SPEAKER_04 (32:11):
Oh, I don't know.
This is such a hard questionbecause like I'm I'm just I just
grab onto passions.

SPEAKER_03 (32:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (32:20):
You know, I can't even keep track of them.
I put down growing mushroomsbecause that's something that I
kind of picked up um after wemoved in together.
The second time.
That's true.
A lot of kinds of mushrooms.
Um my favorite is uh lion'smane.
That's my favorite.

SPEAKER_02 (32:37):
Ooh, there's supposed to be really good
health benefits to lion's mane.
That's really cool.
And also tasty too.

SPEAKER_04 (32:43):
They're delicious, especially if you cook them
right.

SPEAKER_01 (32:46):
Cool.
Um, I'm going to counter thislike Sarah did and say, I knew
this before we moved in becausewe chose this house for the
potential purpose of growingmushrooms.

SPEAKER_04 (32:55):
We lived together before we moved in this house.
Good point.
Okay, good point.

SPEAKER_05 (33:01):
You win.
I'm ready.
Um, and I think what we'reproving is that the boys
shouldn't be planning games.

SPEAKER_02 (33:06):
Yeah, this is a I think it's a zero-sum game with
this, especially this lastquestion.
Like what last question washard.
Did you have other questionsthat you threw out?

SPEAKER_05 (33:15):
We had a list we were working from, but we can
uh, you know, we've alreadyground this into the into the
into the dirt.

SPEAKER_02 (33:21):
Okay.
So maybe we should maybe weshould get to talking about uh
And maybe after the book we'llrevisit the other questions
you'll do quite curious.

SPEAKER_04 (33:30):
I think the first two questions were great.

SPEAKER_02 (33:32):
I think so too.
I think those worked fine.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (33:34):
Yeah, the pan the pasture question uh it made
sense in my head, but then I waslike, like as we were working
through it, I'm like, uh maybe Ishould have workshopped this
more.

SPEAKER_01 (33:41):
I think that's a fun question.
I learned something about youand Greg and Dan.

SPEAKER_05 (33:47):
We learned that we all have problems with
chronology.

SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (33:54):
All right.
So uh do we want to move on tosome warm bodies chat?
Or Dan, what do you got?

SPEAKER_04 (33:59):
Yeah, should we talk about this movie?
I think it's time.
Instead of waiting um an hourand 45 minutes like we did for
the first episode.

SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
We had to establish our relationship in the last
episode.
Now we're all married.

SPEAKER_05 (34:12):
There you go.

SPEAKER_01 (34:13):
That's right.

SPEAKER_05 (34:14):
All right.
Do we wanna start with a recapof the movie, of the book?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (34:20):
I'd have to know.
Well, did you, Dan, did youwrite one?

SPEAKER_04 (34:22):
I have I have a recap if you unless you have one
that's better.
Mine is hastily put together.
Uh but maybe that's the charm ofit.

SPEAKER_03 (34:31):
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:33):
I think it's gonna be amazing.
All right.
Uh warm bodies.
Bear with me as I read this, asI am learning disabled.
That's actually true.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (34:45):
It's okay.
Did you take some of thosepsilocybin mushrooms before you
got started?

SPEAKER_04 (34:49):
And now it's that would have made this episode
really great.

SPEAKER_02 (34:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:54):
You would have wanted to record probably
outside, because inside roughright about now, I'd probably be
like, wow, have you guys noticedhow like when you look at the
wall, things move?

SPEAKER_02 (35:06):
Yeah.
You'd be like, you know what?
Actually, like, can I saysomething?
I love you guys.
I and and I just I love you.
And I I want to make sure youknow and feel that.

SPEAKER_04 (35:16):
Yeah.
But you know, I love you guys,and not just because of who you
are, but who we all are togetheras we're all part of the same.
Because we're all connected.

SPEAKER_02 (35:30):
That's right.
And just like in Warm Bodies,there's nothing to ever worry
about.
It's true.

SPEAKER_04 (35:35):
And to love you guys is to love myself.
Anyways, let's talk about thismovie.
Warm Bodies is a 2013 romanticcomedy horror film based.
It's a comedy horror film basedon the novel by Isaac Marion,
uh, which we talked about lastweek.

(35:56):
And this movie's pretty muchexactly the same as that.
It's set in a post-apocalypticworld where zombies roam the
earth.
Imagine that.
Um, the story centers on R, azombie who's a little bit little
bit more sentient than theothers.
After eating the brain of ayoung man, R experiences the
man's memories and developsfeelings for the man's
girlfriend Julie, as we all do.

(36:21):
As R and Julie form an unlikelybond, R slowly starts to regain
his humanity, and thistransformation spreads to other
zombies as well, like a disease.
The zombie clap.
The movie is both humorous andheartwarming, especially uh
essentially offering azombie-themed twist to the

(36:43):
classic Romeo and Juliet story,right down to the names R and
Julie.
And M.
In the end, it's a story aboutlove and connection helping to
heal a broken world.

SPEAKER_02 (36:54):
Oh perfect.

SPEAKER_04 (36:55):
Now let's talk about how terrible this movie is.
Well, first dive in.

SPEAKER_02 (37:00):
First, I want to talk about some interesting film
facts that I scared up for thisone.
Yes.
Um, the haunting airport sceneswere shot in the real airport.
Leah, you might like this.
It's the Montreal MirabelleInternational Airport in Canada.

SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
Makes sense.
They have good subsidies therefor filming.

SPEAKER_02 (37:18):
Um, some of the hardest scenes for Nicholas Holt
to film were shared with RobCordry, who threw in a lot of
very funny unscripted dialogue.
One part that I kept trying tocatch when we were watching it
is that when R is bringing Julieinto the airport for the first
time, if you look carefully inthe scene where they walk
through the metal detectors,you'll actually see Isaac Marion

(37:41):
stumbling in the background.
Wow.
The actors, this is my go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 (37:46):
I I didn't see it.
You didn't see Isaac?
I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_02 (37:49):
The movie either, but Oh, Isaac Marion.
Yeah, okay, for sure.
Um, my last fact, which this iskind of my favorite one, is that
the actors in Warm Bodies weretrained by a movement director
from Cirque du Soleil to developzombie movements.
Love.
Really paid off because youcould totally see it.
They did more.

(38:12):
What's that?

SPEAKER_05 (38:13):
I said, who taught them parkour then?
Was that the day of somebodyelse come in?
And because there's at one pointthere's a zombie that like
jumps.

SPEAKER_01 (38:18):
But Cirque du Soleil, they do parkour type
shit.

SPEAKER_05 (38:21):
Yeah.
Oh, that's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:23):
I mean, they're leaping pretty pretty far and
wide and twisting their butt,doing all kinds of weird things.

SPEAKER_05 (38:28):
Yeah.
I love parkour designed by thezombie parkour.
That's it took me a little offguard when it happened.

SPEAKER_02 (38:34):
I think that we both or that we all are probably
planning to rip this movie a newasshole.
Yes.
Before we do that, can we talkabout what worked?

SPEAKER_05 (38:44):
Why don't we just jump ahead to what doesn't work?

SPEAKER_03 (38:46):
No, it won't work.

unknown (38:47):
Let's get that out of the way.

SPEAKER_04 (38:49):
You know, I have I have something that that worked,
which is that um when whenreading Warm Bodies, it was you
know, it was it was book length,you know, it was a it was a
fairly long story.
Um whereas like when you make amovie, you have to condense all
of that down to only the mostimportant parts in order to fit

(39:10):
within the 90 minute um uhruntime.
And I feel like they cut out alot of the stuff that's just
kind of extra like storyline?
Extra storyline that you caneasily compress because it's
kind of all the same thing overand over again in the book.
And uh if you were if you justwanted to know what the story of

(39:31):
Warm Bodies was, you don'treally miss out on a whole lot
by just watching the movie.

SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
I already disagree with you.
But that's in the what doesn'twork part.
Okay.
That's very kind of you, Dan.
What do you all think worked?

SPEAKER_02 (39:45):
Um, I think that there was some social
commentary, just like in thebook.
At the very beginning, there's apart where um Nicholas Holt is
saying, wow, it must have beenso different when people were
alive and they're walking aroundin this airport and you just see
everyone on their phone.
Um I thought that was prettyfunny.
I also thought that R's physicalappearance gradually changing

(40:08):
throughout the film was a reallyeffective form of visual
storytelling for me.
It was an interesting um justtactical approach, I guess, to
visual storytelling to say,okay, this is how we're gonna
explain that he's coming back tolife.
Slowly, he has more color in hischeeks, and like now his lips
are not this black, and likehe's becoming more and more

(40:30):
human.

SPEAKER_01 (40:31):
I did like that a lot too.
Like, props to the makeup artistbecause it was it was very
subtle.
Um 2013 me really liked theheart glowing.
2025 Leah didn't.
Not sure why.
Maybe it was special effect.
I thought the special effectswere great when I first watched
it.
I'll say that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (40:50):
Yeah, they have aged terribly well.
The bony is I mean, there's alot of factors that go into
that, but that it is unfortunatesometimes when you look back and
are like, oh, I don't like it.
That doesn't work as well as itdid the first time, right?

SPEAKER_02 (41:03):
It's yeah, unless it's Jurassic Park, because you
watch that now and it stilllooks totally real.
It's true.

SPEAKER_01 (41:09):
I did like seeing R's home, like his airplane.
Uh they did a really good job ofvisualizing what Isaac Marion
was describing, and that waskind of neat and oddly made him
more human to me, even though hewas still a zombie at that
point.
But I think his motor skillswere really impressive, and I I
didn't I was just like, you'reway too adept, like uh, what's
the word I'm looking for?

(41:30):
Adept.
Articulate He just had greatfine motor skills in a way that
I just have a hard timebelieving him as a is a zombie.
But that's again, I'm tryingtrying to stay positive here.

SPEAKER_05 (41:39):
I agree.
I think those are I think thoseare fair criticisms, honestly.
Um you know, for me, if you wanta movie to spoon feed you every
digestible morsel of a plot, itsthemes, and its ideologies, uh,
while simultaneously avoidingthe fun and gross parts of
zombie lore, then I think thismovie's a banger, and I highly
recommend it based on thosebased on those uh those rules.

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Okay.
So that is uh Nick Holt.
There we go.

SPEAKER_02 (42:07):
Of course, Nick Holt works.
He works in everything.
And you know what, Rob Cordry,he's good.
But you know what?
I feel like he was really likewhen we learned that fact that
um Rob Cordry was so funny init.
I felt like there were so manymissed opportunities because
they didn't just let hischaracter be funny then.

SPEAKER_04 (42:27):
Yeah, yeah, they probably edited a lot of Rob
Cordry out of the movie, and thebest parts were the humor for
sure.
Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_02 (42:38):
It's kind of funny.
But he's the kind of person thatlike anything he says makes me
laugh.
I love him.
But yeah, I thought that was akind of a bummer.

SPEAKER_05 (42:46):
Does the bitches man reference work for you when he
does that toward the end?
Not really.
So, right?
No, it was just weird.

SPEAKER_02 (42:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (42:53):
Bitches man.

SPEAKER_02 (42:55):
And I feel like because here's the thing though.
I know Rob Cordry, he knows Youknow him?
Oh, no, no, I don't.
Sorry.
I don't know him personally.
I'm saying that I know that heknows comedic timing, and it
makes me feel like he could havedelivered that line way funnier.
And I believe that he probablydid, and they kept having him

(43:18):
redo it, and they kept theshitty take.
Oh they're like, it can't belike funny.
It's like you you're relating tohim, and it's like, no, it needs
to be funny.

SPEAKER_05 (43:27):
Are you basing this on his fine performance in Hot
Tub Time Machine, perhaps?
Why does that keep coming up?
No, I'm actually basing him onthe Hot Tub Time Machine.

SPEAKER_02 (43:35):
I believe he was in um VH1's I Love the 80s.

SPEAKER_05 (43:39):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (43:40):
Which I really appreciated his work in.

SPEAKER_05 (43:42):
Yeah.
He's in a couple episodes ofcommunity, and he's he's
hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 (43:45):
I love that guy.

SPEAKER_01 (43:46):
All right, let's get into um what didn't work.

SPEAKER_04 (43:51):
Yes.
You know, I I am going to lovewhat didn't work so much more
than I'm gonna love what didwork.

SPEAKER_01 (43:57):
Can I start?

SPEAKER_05 (43:58):
I think it would be more fun is if Leah just
completely uh, you know,systematically takes apart Dan's
statement about what did workand tell us why.

SPEAKER_04 (44:07):
Yeah, let's start there.

SPEAKER_05 (44:08):
It's in the everything she believes.
I already forgot what you said.

SPEAKER_04 (44:13):
I said that it was it did a really good job of
condensing the story.

SPEAKER_01 (44:17):
Oh, yeah, all the interesting parts were gone, and
then they made a really cheesyending.
Oh, I I agree.
Ending is the worst part.
Yeah, but the most the most disdisappointing thing for me was
like I really wanted to see theclickety-clacky zombie boning.
Oh, I know, me too.
The poultry slapping, you know.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (44:34):
I thought it was a really funny moment.
I don't know how they could havedone it.
Because I literally pictured thebonies being like skeletons.

SPEAKER_01 (44:42):
Yes, me too.
Okay, thank you.
I was disappointed by thebonies.
They had too much flesh.
They were actually exactly as Iimagined them.
And they weren't clacky enough.
Yeah.
It should have been like acacophony of clacking when they
were.

SPEAKER_02 (44:53):
Yeah, that was like they were clicky, like almost
like icks insects, like aclicking sound.

SPEAKER_04 (44:58):
You know what I I did um hate about the bonies is
that it's very clear that the uhvisual effects department paid
for one 3D model of a skeleton,and they just cut and pasted
that one all over the scene.
Uh they're all absolutelyidentical, including their

(45:19):
heights.

SPEAKER_02 (45:20):
Yeah, exactly the same height.

SPEAKER_04 (45:22):
Maybe that's what's that maybe that's a factor to
being a bony.
Like you have to fit thephysical requirements.

SPEAKER_02 (45:28):
Yeah, that makes no sense that they would all be the
same height.
Like, think about it.
I didn't even think about thatuntil just now.
All men, too, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 (45:36):
Yeah, they're all dudes.
I mean, they don't have anygenitals anymore because they
ripped up.

SPEAKER_02 (45:40):
I guess they can't tell.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (45:41):
They did show an interesting scene, and I don't
think that they uh they theytalked about like what they
suspected um causes people tobecome bonies, but they showed
this one guy like peeling skinoff of his face.
And I got the impression thatlike they were showing that this
person had like kind of justlost it and was in the process
of like tearing his skin off,and that's what's going to make

(46:02):
him eventually become a bony.

SPEAKER_02 (46:04):
Well, and he says something about like you just
give up.
Like you basically just hit apoint where you just completely
give up, which is not theimpression I got from the book.
From the book, I got it, it'slike they're the ancients.

SPEAKER_05 (46:14):
Like they're it was the one thing I do think the
movie did in an interesting way,though, because I I liked that
scene and I I caught it as well,Dan.
I was like, when he sits thereand he starts pulling away his
face, it was like the one good,gruesome kind of moment, gross
out zombie thing that you wantto get out of a zombie movie,
but times a million.
Um, and and that one moment, itworked really, really well for

(46:34):
me.
And I like it felt like it triedto explain the bonies a little
bit better.

SPEAKER_02 (46:38):
Well, they also tried to really oversimplify the
bonies too, because they werelike around that same time, like
that whole when they're showingthat guy pull across pull apart
his face, they were saying,Well, like a bony, it'll go
after anything with a heartbeat.
And they're setting thefoundation for like the zombies
will eventually have aheartbeat, and then they're

(46:58):
gonna start eating the zombies,which is not who what they were
in the book.
In the book, it was like, Yeah,they still eat humans, they
don't eat other zombies, butthey are angry with the zombies
for not sticking to traditionand being against who they're
against.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (47:14):
I didn't think it was quite as like in the movie,
they feel like they coexist, butthe the bonies are really more
angry and malevolent toward thezombies, anyways.
And I didn't get that impressionfrom the book, so it was like
they felt like they had tocreate a greater divide amongst
zombies and bonies to make thebonies more villainous and sort
of progenemy-like.

SPEAKER_02 (47:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (47:36):
And I didn't think that was needed either.
I liked sort of the duplicity ofthem in the book that that they
kind of, again, another elementthey sort of stripped away in
the adaptation that didn't workfor me.

SPEAKER_01 (47:47):
Mm-hmm.
Agreed.
And also, like it can we skipstraight to the end?
Can we go there?

SPEAKER_02 (47:52):
Let's get to the end.
That's the worst part of thismovie.

SPEAKER_01 (47:56):
It upset me so much because it just turned it like
it broke, I think, a fundamentalrule for me of of a quality
zombie story or film, which isthat everybody just decided that
we like that they humanized.
So the zombies that were whosehearts were starting to glow,
and obviously the people werelike all, you know, eventually
we're all on the same side.

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And then there is the one bigbad, which is the bonies, who
are one-dimensional and havelike zero depth at all.
Whereas in the book, it's veryclear that the bonies and
General Grigio and like thefolks that have become
themselves like bonies and areentrenched in tradition are
still human-esque.
They just are stuck, I think, ina way that the others aren't,

(48:38):
where this was just like we haveto have one big bad.
And I find that so boring.

SPEAKER_02 (48:42):
Well, that and they had they made this like huge
conflict at the very end of likeall of this war breaking out
between the living and thezombies, and then also the
bonies are added in as like athird element.
And then, like, right whenGrigio just has this instant
change of heart when it didn'tdie at all, immediately they're

(49:03):
like, Okay, no one killed thezombies anymore.
And then there's like a montagethat happens, and during the
montage, R is like, Yeah, wejust killed all the bonies.
Like what?

SPEAKER_05 (49:13):
And the ones that they killed just naturally died
on their own.

SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
Yeah, just that easy.
Like you they pressed thestaples easy button.

SPEAKER_05 (49:22):
Whole movie presses the staple.

SPEAKER_02 (49:24):
Yeah, that was easy.

SPEAKER_05 (49:25):
Let's be honest.

SPEAKER_04 (49:25):
And it's like they they decided right at the end,
they were like, We don't everwant to do another sequel to
this movie.
We're done with this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (49:33):
Yeah, exactly.
Even though there's a sequel tothe book and a prequel.

SPEAKER_04 (49:37):
Yeah.
There's like it has there has tobe an end.
Um that kind of reminds me ofthat like a lot of my gripes
with this movie is that theydidn't understand the zombie
apocalypse genre.
And like that decision at theend to like have a final
resolution for the zombieapocalypse is a perfect example
of it because that's not whatthat's not the reason that

(49:59):
people like the zombieapocalypse.
They like it doesn't have to bea thing where the goal of the
story is to defeat the zombies.
Like the zombies are anever-present threat and it's
about living with the zombies.

SPEAKER_02 (50:12):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (50:13):
Um and I just I just feel like they didn't understand
it and they didn't take itseriously.

SPEAKER_02 (50:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (50:20):
Even though Isaac Marion's book didn't follow like
the the story that I personallylook for, which is one of the
survivors, and it took adifferent way of going around
it.
He still treated it with thesame level of respect by
exploring themes within thezombie apocalypse.

SPEAKER_01 (50:40):
You wrote a quality story that they turned into like
a really sad version of like theTwilight series, but I was just
gonna say, I was saying while wewere watching it, I was like,
she's just blonde KristenStewart.

SPEAKER_02 (50:53):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (50:53):
I thought it was Kristen Stewart for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 (50:56):
I did, I did too.
I was like, is that her?
And then I was like, no, it'snot.
But she looks just like her,just blonde.
It's like the blonde version ofher.

SPEAKER_01 (51:04):
Yeah, I feel like they were literally like, okay,
Walking Dead is popular,Twilight movies were popular,
what can we create?
And then let's take thisactually like book that has some
depth and interest and make it ashitty version of both of those
things.

SPEAKER_02 (51:21):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (51:22):
Like, let's let's make some money, boys.

SPEAKER_02 (51:24):
But the thing is make sure you make Nora white
because she can't be a person ofcolor, that would be absurd.

SPEAKER_01 (51:31):
Yeah, when did you like again things I didn't
notice in 2013 that maybebecause I hadn't read the book.
Right.
Um, but what was your reactionto just being like there's only
white people in this movie?

SPEAKER_02 (51:43):
Oh, I was immediately pissed, especially
with Nora, because she wasexplicitly black in the book.
Like, I can understand if it'slike, okay, fine, like there's
no reason that it they have tobe a certain race.
I get it.
Like, I'm not trying to be like,they needed to make everyone a
different race, like whatever.

(52:03):
But the fact that she waswritten to be a black female
character and they cast her as awhite girl, I thought that was a
little icky.
Like it felt really kind of ickto me.

SPEAKER_04 (52:14):
And it's not like the person who played Nora in
the movie was an incredibleactor either.
It was pretty bad.

SPEAKER_01 (52:21):
Well, she wasn't given a lot to be fair to her.

SPEAKER_02 (52:24):
She really wasn't.
And it was it, it kind of hadthis like high school musical,
like like we're just goofballs,like kind of attitude behind it
that um took away, I think, fromlike you said, like they did
they didn't respect the story atall.

SPEAKER_04 (52:41):
Yeah.
No.
They had enough big names tothrow in there, like um, they
had Rob Cordry and they had JohnMalkovich, and they're like,
this is how we're gonna sell themovie.

SPEAKER_02 (52:51):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (52:52):
You're gonna it's going to be a comedy, it's a uh
young adult romance set in thezombie apocalypse, and we just
have to uh link our directdeposit and the money will just
flow right in.

SPEAKER_02 (53:06):
Exactly.
Bada bing.
I actually, right when theyshowed Nora at the beginning, I
shared uh Leah, maybe you'll getthis more than tan.
I shared from Mean Girls whenKaren's like, Why are you white?
Yes.
Like four people were like, Ohmy god, right?
Like this is so weird.

(53:26):
But it was funny.

SPEAKER_01 (53:27):
I actually did some reading about it because I was
like, there's no way IsaacMarion was cool with this.
And I read I got some quotesfrom him, and I think he did a
really good job of trying tosound balanced, but also being
clear that he wasn't okay.
Yeah, like he said in this onearticle, he's like, he was
talking about like how he feltabout the casting, and he just
and how they portrayed thecharacters.
And he said that Nora in thebooks is half Ethiopian orphan

(53:49):
who's older and tougher in Julieand is protective of her most
vulnerable fent friend, whereasin the movies she's a teenage
white girl, seems more likeJulie's classmate.
And then later on he says it wasdisappointing to me that they
chose a white actor to play themost prominent black character,
Nora, but Annalie Tipton nailedher version of the character,
and I thought the rest of thecast were perfect.
So I thought he did a good jobof like making a criticism and

(54:10):
still being supportive of theactor, which I think is pretty
class act.

SPEAKER_02 (54:13):
Just for him.
Yeah, I totally agree with you.
Yeah, good that's well said.
That's a really good reactionfor him to have.
Because on one side it's notlike he's just like, okay, fine,
whatever, sorry.
But on the other side, he's notjust ripping into the actress
who it's not really her fault.
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:30):
So that I I already liked Isaac.
I like him more now.
I thought it was a good thing tocall out, but also to be nice
because it's not, like you said,it's not Annalie Tipton's fault.
Right.
And then I tried to see if anyof the producers of the film
said anything about it, and ofcourse they did not.

SPEAKER_02 (54:44):
No.
Well, they they don't see color,so they probably just didn't
occur to them.
Yeah.
Um, this is a tiny little likenitpicky thing, but right at the
very end, like the very lastscene, R refers to the living as
humans.

(55:04):
He's like, zombies learn to livewith the humans.
And I did a whole thing on ourlast episode talking about the
book, how it was interesting howsocially offensive R found when
um Julie considered the livingto be human.
And R was like, Well, I'm stillhuman, I'm just dead.
I'm not not human suddenly.

(55:26):
So that was another little tinynitpicky thing that I was like,
it yeah, it's nitpicky, but italso shows how much you're
missing the depth of the storythat you're adapting, and that's
frustrating.

SPEAKER_04 (55:38):
It would have cost them nothing to leave that in
the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (55:41):
But the fact that it doesn't occur to them, probably,
is just like the problem.

SPEAKER_01 (55:46):
Agreed.
Watching the movie made me likethe book more.
Like I want to retroactivelyincrease my score because I
could just the like the contrastwas so painful.
I was like, this book'swonderful.
And I felt pain for the author.

SPEAKER_04 (55:59):
Like I when I watched the when I watched the
movie, uh, the place where mycold dead heart was suddenly
beat to life for my love of thebook.
Yes.

unknown (56:11):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 (56:12):
And then that spread to Leah and our dogs.

unknown (56:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:16):
And everybody in the house eventually was like, we
love the book.

SPEAKER_01 (56:20):
Yeah, I thought it was a good book, but now I'm
like, it's a great, great book.
I think I just couldn't, maybewhatever reason.
Sometimes you have to see theterrible thing.
You know, you have to be in abad relationship before you
appreciate a good one.
I feel like that was this storyfor me.

SPEAKER_02 (56:35):
Did you were did you have anything that you wanted to
add?

SPEAKER_05 (56:38):
Oh, I just I mean, I agree with all of that,
honestly.
And I I kind of envisionedmyself as Isaac Marion watching
the movie, just grinding myteeth into little tiny nubs
because you're so like it wasjust so frustrating for me to
watch, and I agree witheverybody else's consensus.
It makes me appreciate and lovethe book more, and I have the

(57:01):
same thought.
I'm like, I'm bumping up myscore on the book now because
it's it's you know, showing methe negative to give me more of
the positive.
And um, you know, it they stripaway the really good parts of
humor from the book aren't inthe movie.
There's a couple chuckleymoments but they're cheap, but
they're cheap.
The cheap shots they're easy puntouches.

(57:22):
The great little humor momentsthat are in the book, gone.
And that's the easiest thing tokeep.

SPEAKER_02 (57:26):
And the beautiful, insightful lines that were just
like so deep and thoughtful,gone.

SPEAKER_05 (57:32):
And I know they're making a PG-13 movie, but it's a
fucking zombie movie.
Can we get some blood and gutsfor crying out loud?
Just a little bit.
Yeah.
Even his eating of the brain wassuper sanitized.

SPEAKER_03 (57:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (57:44):
You know, I half expected him at one point to
maybe pull out some chopsticksor something.
Yeah.
Just kind of like eating in animportant game.
Yeah, he just pulls out a knifeand a fork to my Hannibal.

SPEAKER_04 (57:56):
Sets up the place setting.
Also, super disturbing from thatsame scene.
Uh, when he goes to wipe bloodon Julia's face.

SPEAKER_01 (58:05):
Oh, God, and it's brown.

SPEAKER_04 (58:07):
And I'm just like, did he just wipe shit on her
face?

SPEAKER_00 (58:10):
I had the same thought.

SPEAKER_02 (58:11):
I'm like, is that blood?

SPEAKER_00 (58:13):
I don't it does it look like blood.

SPEAKER_02 (58:14):
This is zombie blood, though.
So you have to remember it's gotsome rot and some species.

SPEAKER_04 (58:21):
Yeah, it's got a lot of people.
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (58:25):
And I don't know if that like just like a couple
streaks of poop on her face, allof a sudden makes her less
desirable to all of the zombiesand covers up all of the the the
uh living sense.

SPEAKER_04 (58:36):
Yeah, just one little just one little finger
dab is a little poopy, and thenshe's good to go.
And then 20 years into thezombie apocalypse, and they
haven't figured out if the youjust take a little dab of zombie
shit and smear it on your facethat they just don't even
notice.
Like they could that would havebeen a instant solution to all
of their problems, is just we'regonna put zombie shit on our

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face.

SPEAKER_02 (59:00):
Which makes me feel like they weren't trying hard
enough, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 (59:02):
I think the movie fundamentally doesn't understand
the apocalypse and zombie genreat all.
Yeah.
No, that's that's anotherfailure in my mind.

SPEAKER_03 (59:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (59:12):
Um, it's just it's it's not hard.
I know, again, it's a PG 13movie, but you can still
shoehorn a lot of those elementsin here in a much more
successful manner, you know,just right down to like just
that that weed whacker, how isthat weed whacker working?
How are the car hacking?

SPEAKER_03 (59:27):
Where did you find it?

SPEAKER_05 (59:29):
There's some of this in the book too, but where did
the fucking weed whacker comefrom in its era?

SPEAKER_02 (59:33):
Yeah, since when?
Yeah.
That was bizarre.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (59:40):
And in the book, wasn't it a chainsaw?

SPEAKER_02 (59:42):
I believe there was a chainsaw, yeah.
Yeah.
But just which would have beencooler.
That's very Ash versus EvilDead.

SPEAKER_04 (59:51):
Um, you know, I'm glad that you brought up the
stupid things like the weedwhacker and the the smear of
zombie shit because somethingthat I I I Look for immediately,
and then maybe this is justbecause of how my brain works,
is always I'm always looking atthe details.
And if the if a movie can getthe details right, I can forgive
so much more.

(01:00:11):
And it's such so little things,and it's things that most people
probably don't even care about.
And that's probably why theyoverlooked it in this movie,
because they're just like, noone's gonna give a shit, just
give her a fucking weed whacker.
Um they're not gonna notice, butthat's the premise of this whole
movie.
And exactly.
And like it started right at thebeginning when the the five
teens that are now making up theentire army that goes out and

(01:00:34):
fights zombies is uh is gettinga briefing from the general on a
giant screen in the middle ofthe city for some reason instead
of just going to his office,which they couldn't do because
Julie's his fucking daughter.

unknown (01:00:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:49):
Um standing right there because he walks out right
afterwards.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:54):
He's just waiting for his video to hit like and
subscribe.
And during this whole briefing,like he has to explain
everything.
Like, we're in a war with thezombies, and if you get
infected, or I don't even knowwhat he says anymore, but he
basically just lays out thiswhole apocalypse like it's the

(01:01:16):
first time they've ever heard ofit.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:19):
And I'm like, it's much spoon feeding.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:21):
Are we to believe that we're like 20 years into a
zombie apocalypse or howeverlong it's been, and they haven't
even heard of these zombies?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:30):
Yeah, like like you're clearly just telling us
as the audience so that's theyare running very low on our
ADHDA medication.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:36):
Yes.
Look at me go.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:40):
Yeah, they don't have Adderall, they can't get
XR.
It's really a problem.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:45):
Yeah, but they also don't have TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:46):
So That's right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:48):
So it balances out, I think.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:50):
I think it does, actually.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:52):
But then like the whole scene of the zombie attack
inside of whatever place theywere hauling up for whatever
reason.
Um like just the choreography ofit and just the the the acting
in that fight scene was just solike slapped together that I
couldn't take it seriously.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:11):
It was but it was also like Rob Cordry has one
part where he it's clearlychoreographed.
Like you can tell that he'sdoing a choreographed move to
the point where it's like kindof awkward because it's so
stiff.
Like, which I get it, he is astiff, I guess.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:28):
But he's not stiff in other moments.
He's surprisingly adept.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:31):
The the choreography, which you would
think that a guy who is doingCirque du Soleil would do a
better job with making everyonehave fluid movement.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:40):
Yeah, it's not a movie that believes in setting
rules and then following them inany sentence.
Um even at the very beginning,though, like R is like, oh, we
don't even we barely talk.
And then in about three minuteslater, he's fully forming
sentences and he's opening doorsand you know picking locks.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:57):
Well, that's the other thing too, that they're
like sometimes we grunt andsometimes we just moan.
But that's also not accurate tothe book because M and R would
say one and two word things toeach other at like from when the
book starts.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:12):
And then they start kind of building more and more
syllables on each other.
But um, yeah, it was just a verylike it's like someone played
telephone with the story of warmbodies, and when it got to the
fourth or fifth person, theywere like, Great, I'm gonna
write a movie all about it.
Like it just it has like some ofthe basic parts of it, but it
doesn't there's a lot of changesfrom the books.

(01:03:33):
Um, how do you feel about themnot using Frank Sinatra and
instead using 80s rock and hairmetal?

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:42):
What a choice.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:43):
It's a choice, right?
I'm not saying I don't like itbecause I do love GNR very much.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:48):
Yeah.
You think it would have beenless exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:52):
Yeah, that's what we were saying.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:53):
That's what Greg was saying, especially compared to
Springsteen.
Yeah, yeah, you know, and themusic's a little too on the nose
every single time, like hungryheart and welcome to the junk.
Or it wasn't cry.
Yeah.
But the music is wrong andoppressive, and uh like that was
a huge problem for me.
Like I just felt like the musicwas just slapped in there, but

(01:04:15):
nobody was actually thinkingabout how it goes with the vibe
and feel of the movie overall.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:20):
Well, that here's the thing the movies slapstick
all the way around.
It's like it's this isdefinitely a comedy slash kind
of horror romance.
It's not it's like comedyromance with some horror
elements, whereas the book islike the comedy is so smart and

(01:04:40):
subtle that it's more of likekind of a depressing think piece
romance story with horrorelements and some funny parts.
That's kind of perfectly summedup, Sarah, I gotta say.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:52):
Yeah, I I I agree with all of that.
I I I don't think it's a comedyin any way.
That's the problem.
I think they think it's acomedy, but they didn't make
anything that's funny.
Like, is there one the movie,you mean?

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:05):
Yeah.
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:05):
No, the movie.
I think they thought that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:07):
It's a comedy, it's just not funny.
It's like a bad one.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:10):
Like, is there one moment that stands out besides a
very awkwardly delivered bitchesman line that is intentionally
funny?

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:18):
I know I laughed a few times, but also I was born.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:23):
I mean, that that social commentary part where
everyone's looking at theirphone, that was kind of subtle
and funny.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:28):
Yeah.
Um Yeah, most of it came rightfrom the beginning where it was
very close to the sourcematerial.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:35):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:35):
Yeah, anything that was good about the movie came
from the book.
And anything that was bad doesnot.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:40):
Like, I wish someone would redo this and do it with
like a subtle, dry sense ofhumor and make make a
masterpiece that is like veryemotionally affecting and very
kind of depressing and and kindof like gives you that feeling
of being depressed and kind ofpulling yourself out of a
depression, which is what thebook is about, with really

(01:06:03):
well-timed, witty lines, likethe book had, where he like the
part where he's looking at abony and he's like, we were like
eye to eye socket, like I'mstaring at his eyes, and he
can't stare.
Like just things like that thatare just clever.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:18):
I think all of this is rife for like disassociating
this movie, casting it out, andstarting over and taking all of
Isaac's four books and makingthem like a limited series on
HBO or something.
That's exactly you know what?

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:32):
I said that to him when we did our little meet and
greet with him in the Discord.
Yeah.
I was like, Don't you think likeyour books would make a good
like a series on Netflix orstreaming services?
And I think he did say thatNetflix bought the rights to it,
or someone bought the rights toit, or it's an option, or
something, but it obviouslyhasn't been made yet.

(01:06:54):
But I think it would be perfectfor a series.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:57):
For sure.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:58):
I don't know how you like I I I think moving to the
middle of nowhere was anappropriate response.
I don't I don't know how youmake something great and then
watch them butcher it and thennot really have the right to do
anything you want with itanymore.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:11):
And then move not move out into the mountains with
your kids.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:14):
Yeah, and like obviously there's a paycheck
involved, and that's good, andlike it's hard to make a living
as an artist or a writer.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:21):
But oh his response is far more kind and measured
than I think I could have everbeen.
Like if this was my book andthey did that to it, yeah.
I I don't know what my responsewould have been, but it would
not have been it would not havebeen as kind and as I think it
did damage not just to his book,but I think it damaged the genre

(01:07:42):
as a whole.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:43):
And like Well, that's big words, Dan.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:45):
Yeah, well when you talk to people who aren't
necessarily zombie fans, becauseI believe truly that there's no
there's no out of season forzombie fans.
They want it all the time.
They don't care what terriblemovie there was.
They're like, I just wantzombies.
Just give it to me.
But if you ask if you ask anormie if uh you know if uh when

(01:08:11):
when they think uh zombies werepopular, um it's a brief period
of time between 2010 and 2013,and they often mark uh this
movie as like the end of itbeing popular.
And they'll even you know,they'll they'll some people even
say that like this movie like itcame at the end of it, so it was
at the end of its height ofpopularity.

(01:08:32):
Uh-huh.
But I I feel like uh it actuallydamaged the genre as a whole
because they didn't take itseriously.
They didn't uh deliver a goodmovie based on what was actually
a good story.
And when people watched it,they're just like, oh, well,
we're at the point of this crazewhere we're just getting

(01:08:52):
twilight with zombies now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:55):
Exactly.
And that's the big mistake thatthey made because you look at
like a movie that doesn't takethemselves seriously but is a
zombie movie and is fantastic,Sean of the Dead.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:06):
They respected the zombie genre though, and made a
funny, worthwhile film.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:12):
Yeah.
And I mean, zombies were not atthe height of their popularity
when they made Sean of the Dead.
Sean of the Dead brought it backfrom the dead.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:21):
And then shortly after, one month later, you had
28 years later.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:26):
So it's sort of like Warm Bodies is it's I mean weeks
later.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:31):
Yes.
Days Days.
Days.
What did I say?

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:35):
What is time?
He said years.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:36):
I know it feels like 28 years later.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:40):
Yeah, well.

SPEAKER_05 (01:09:41):
So Warm Bodies was kind of like the canary in the
coal mine for the genre then.
I I had never really thoughtabout that.
But it's like like everybodylooks at it and goes, well,
we've squeezed all the juice outof it.
This is what we've got now gotzombie Romeo and Juliet time to
pack this up and put it on ashelf.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:56):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, film producers arefucking terrible.
Like they'll they just look attrends, they look at how much
money you can make.
And when you have a movie likeWarm Bodies that had uh that was
at a point where they're like,this should make money because
zombies are really popular rightnow, and magical vampire
romances are really popularright now.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:18):
The Twilight impact on the film was very evident.
Like it was clearly supposed tobe Twilight with zombies.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:25):
And I could even see like there's no Jacob, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:31):
He was Rob Party.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:32):
What do you mean?
Jacob was Perry.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:35):
Oh yeah, that's that was the anyways.
I don't know the characters ofTwilight.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:40):
I'm just making shit up.
Anyways, like you two are notTwilight fans?

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:45):
No, well, I haven't seen any of the greatest horror
movie of all time.
Uh Underworld, you mean?

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:54):
Okay.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:54):
Fair kidding.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:56):
But because so many people will point to this as the
as the death of the zombieapocalypse genre.
Any film producer after thatpoint, if you came to them like,
I have a great idea for a zombieNetflix series.
I have a zombie movie.
There there's romance and comedyinvolved.
They're just like, absolutelynot.

(01:11:17):
It's out of style now.
Nobody wants it because thismovie did a bad job of it.
And I think it had more to dowith the fact that they did a
shitty job making this movie.
I don't, but it got good reviewsback in the day.
I still think it was I stillthink it was a shitty movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:32):
I don't disagree with it when they first saw it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:35):
So you also liked it.
What happened to us?
We read the book.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:42):
I mean, that's that's a huge part of it.
Like it's not a good movie onits own.
But I think you can watch it andbe like, yeah, okay, passable,
whatever, rom-com type is thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:11:51):
But yeah, when you compare it to the book or any of
the other things that we've beenmassively consuming lately, it's
it's really fucking bad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:59):
Yeah, well, just I think I honestly think it's
reading the book that changes itbecause the book has so much
more depth to it, and it's somuch more layered and fleshed
out, obviously, than the filmwas.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:10):
Unfleshed out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:11):
Unfleshed out.
That it's yeah, it there's somuch to miss in the film.
And then I think there's alsothe retrospect of kind of the
corniness of it, yeah, which Ithink might might have been more
in style at that time.
So we didn't it didn't maybestick out to us as much in 2013.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:30):
We're all probably all more nuanced people with
more fleshy or unfles.
We're are we more bony or lessbony now?
I I'm less bony.
More bony.
I would say I'm objectively lessbony than I was in 2013.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:42):
I'm just rotting skin and bones.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:45):
Uh no, you're not.
But I I do think like maybe Iwas just also like a little bit
more simple in 2013.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:53):
Because I remember liking it a lot.
I mean, I wonder what othermovies came out in 2013.
Because sometimes if like youcompare to movies that I can't
think and type at the same timethat came out in 2013, if you
compare to some of the otherthings that came out, then part
of it is like, oh, okay, well,this was this is what we were

(01:13:14):
all used to culturally.
So there are things that we justwouldn't have picked up on.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:18):
World War Z also came out in 2013.
I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:22):
There's this list of popular 2013 movies, and I
haven't heard of any of these.
And this is just on Google,except for Mama.
I do remember Mama, and thatmovie was hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:33):
Jessica Chastain, that horror movie, Mama.
But I don't know that movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:38):
It's the one where the little girls like eat the
moth out of the sky.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:42):
They're like, I have not seen that.
That sounds literally crushed.
Really easy.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:48):
Um, but yeah, I looked this up and it says
popular 2013 movies.
The Counselor.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:53):
Saw it.
Oblivion.
Ridley Scott.
That's Tom Cruise Sci-Fi.
Pope.
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:13:59):
Enemy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:00):
No.
Yeah, that's Jake Gyllenhaal.
We watch it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:02):
Have we watched that?

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:03):
Yeah, Jake Gyllenhaal didn't even learn.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:04):
Oh, coherence.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:05):
Coherence.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:06):
Coherence is fantastic, but I wouldn't call
it a popular movie.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:09):
None of these are popular movies.
I haven't heard of any of thesemovies.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:12):
Coherence is really good.
Willow Creek.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:15):
Tell me again how AI is gonna be able to do it.
Under the skin jobs.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:19):
Under the skin's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:20):
That's I haven't seen that one, but I really love
that chick.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:24):
Jonathan Glazer and uh Scarlett Johansson.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:27):
Scarlett Johansson, yeah.
You know, The Longer Life ofWalter Middy.

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:30):
That's bad.
But that's also Ben Stiller.
Fuck that guy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:33):
Now I just want to have a week where all we do is
watch 2013 films.
I mean, there's really greatthings I can do without a job.
There's a lot of good ones inthere.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:41):
Movie 43?

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:43):
Oh, that movie got disavowed basically.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:45):
Why?

SPEAKER_05 (01:14:46):
Uh, because everybody making it hated it,
and then the guy who wrote ittried to do what's the thing in
Hollywood where they theydisavow that they wrote or had
any part of the movie, so theyput like oh they put Alan Smithy
as a name.
Right, yeah.
Um, anyways, that movie wasnotoriously like just hated by
everybody.
Really?

(01:15:07):
It just bombed terribly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:08):
You know who's in it?
It's a comedy thriller.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:11):
It's got our guy from um Succession.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:14):
Oh, Brush Cox.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:16):
No, the one who's related to the kid from Home
Alone.

SPEAKER_05 (01:15:19):
Oh, Rory Col uh Kieran Colkin.
Rory Colkin.
Rory.
Igbee goes down with him is afantastic comedy.
Little dark comedy.
Claire Danes, Jeff Goldblum.
I've heard one of these.
My Rain Man movie brain ispicking off it.
We need to bring this backbecause I'll just you guys will
tune me out eventually.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:37):
So I'm I'm hearing you about what you said about um
Warren Bodies being popular atthe time.
Uh I think it was like a junkfood version of a zombie movie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:47):
Totally.
And I think really shitty junkfood.
Like an office.
Like it's not a haribo gummy.
It's like the off-brand shittygummies that they have at the
dollar store.
Gummy brains.
Kind of junk food horror movie.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:01):
They're stale too, because they've been there for
like five years when you pickthem up.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:05):
They're not peach rings, they're like peach O's.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:09):
And they're the sugar-free version.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:11):
Yeah, exactly.
Give you explosive diarrhea.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:15):
That's why you're in the bathroom for 45 minutes.
Yeah, I love gummy bears.
Passionately.
It's passion.
I do have one more thing I feellike I need to say about this
movie, um, which is that I wasmore grossed out by them being
together in the film too, thanin the book.
It was just really, I don'tknow.
Like every time they would getclose, I'd be like, just I don't

(01:16:37):
know why.
I can't really pinpoint why itwas grosser to me.
Did anyone else have thatreaction?

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:41):
No, because I find Nicholas Holt attractive no
matter what.
Even as a zombie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:46):
Yeah, I was really hoping that there would be the
um the the makeover montage.
And they didn't, they didn'tgive us that.
They did.
They kind of did.
They did.
Oh, yeah, they did do themakeup.
Yeah, too much blush on.
But I was waiting for him tolike take a shower for the first
time and like just 10 years ofgrime.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:04):
I feel like he also took a shower.
Yeah.
Where were you?

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:06):
I guess I wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:08):
You might have been in the bathroom for a long time.
That's what it was.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:14):
Literally had to be.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:18):
Is Nick Holt hotter before or after the makeover?
Because I think he looked creepyweird after the makeover.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:25):
I agree.
The makeover made him look likeTom.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:29):
The rosy cheeks.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:32):
He looked like a cherub.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:33):
He was very effeminate.
That's what Greg said, and Itotally agreed with it.
The effeminate, he looked like apixie.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:39):
Yeah, not that that's a bad thing, but it just
wasn't the right vibe.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:43):
Yeah, not that there's anything wrong with it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:46):
In 2013, knowing that you gotta put him before
John Malkovich, general dad, notthe right move.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:52):
Yeah.
You probably don't want to gowith the peach lip end of face
scars in place.

SPEAKER_05 (01:17:58):
He might he might respect that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:59):
Might have some respect for it, yeah.
But I did think he was much moreattractive as a zombie.
I also liked his I know thatthis wasn't accurate to the
book, but his like red hoodiekind of street outfit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:11):
You like that?

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:12):
I like I like that.
Yeah, but also this is again,I'm this might just be my
problem that I'm attracted tomen like this.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:20):
He's the only person in the movie wearing something
of color.
Like he's the like there'snobody else in the movie wearing
anything that is as like radiantor standoutish as he is in his
red hoodie.
All the other zombies are likein brown blacks and grays, and
they're super dirty and nastyand filled.
Like he just throughout theentire movie stands out like a
beacon in that red hoodie.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:42):
That's probably very intentional.

SPEAKER_05 (01:18:43):
It is, but it's it's interesting why there's it it's
it was so drab everywhere elsewith everything, and then they
just stick him in there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:50):
But that's what makes it that's because he's
different.
He's not like others not.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:54):
I have a beef in general that zombies are always
in dreary clothes because likeas we discussed last episode
together, if I was a zombie, Iwould be colorful as fuck.
Like this idea that we're alljust all zombies are in black
and brown annoys me.
But I didn't notice that he wasspecifically the only one in
color.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:10):
That's an interesting a very colorful like
Lisa Frank zombie soundshorrifying.
That would be me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:17):
I love Lisa Frank.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:18):
He's so much more scary than like just a drab
zombie, you know?
Like who's Lisa Frank Prince?

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:25):
Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:25):
Oh no, uh, actually, Lisa Frank herself is a horror
movie, if you're aware of theLisa Frank uh scandals.
Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:33):
Am I another hero ruined?

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:35):
Oh, yep.
Sorry, that is a whole notherrabbit hole to go down, but Lisa
Frank is a demon.
Okay.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:19:45):
That's I have no idea what's going on.
You're old enough to know now.
Is she a designer?

SPEAKER_02 (01:19:50):
Lisa Frank?
Oh, this was like a 90s kidthing that you probably are
generation away from.
But basically, it was like, youremember there was like a trend
of like all the folders withlike rainbow-colored like
animals, like it'd be like alion cub or like horses, and it
was like rainbow everything.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:10):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:13):
Really?
Matthew didn't have any LisaFrank.
I have to believe Matthew hadsomething Lisa Frank in school.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:19):
No, they will text.
They didn't have colors or artyet.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:22):
So we had black and white.
They didn't have colors yet.
Or art.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:33):
We had cave drawings with cave.

SPEAKER_02 (01:20:36):
So we grunted with Flair sometimes, but that was
about it.
Well, if I showed you a LisaFrank like trapper keeper, you
would be like, oh, I know whatyou're talking about.

SPEAKER_05 (01:20:49):
I know what a trapper keeper is, but anyways.

SPEAKER_04 (01:20:51):
A trapper keeper is when you uh prop up a big rock.
That's right.
And when an animal goesunderneath it, the rock falls on
top of it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:01):
Maybe a gopher, maybe a squirrel, maybe a
dinosaur.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:07):
It's a very big box.

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:08):
Yeah.
Or or maybe a horde ofcockroaches, even.
That's a protein that could justbe used if you know how to use
it right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21:15):
You know, I'm gonna bring this back to Leah's point
a minute ago because this is outof control and I will not stand
this age slander continuing anyfurther, as much fun as it
actually is.
Um There wasn't art.
There is a weirdness to theirrelationship in the movie, and I
couldn't quite put my finger onit either.
But is it is it just simple tosay that Nick Holt is actually

(01:21:35):
out of her league in this movie?
Like even if Yeah, I totallyagree.
What is he doing with her?

SPEAKER_02 (01:21:40):
Well, and it's funny because like um uh Dan, I'm glad
that you had the same reactionthat I did because I was like,
she looks exactly like KristenStewart to me.
And I'm I'm sure that that was avery intentional casting choice,
I'm sure, because of thepopularity of Twilight.
But I said it during our watchparty when we had other sinners
that were like with us watchingit.

(01:22:00):
I made that comment.
I was like, is she just blonde,Kristen Stewart, or is it just
me?

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:05):
I just thought she dyed her hair.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:06):
Well, I know that's exactly what I thought at first
too.
And then I realized I was like,oh no, because I Googled her and
looked at her on my phone and Iwas like, okay, no, it's not
her, but it it looks just likeher.
But um, I said that in the inthe um group chat during the
movie, and someone respondedwith, it was actually our our
guy, Jump Pogo, responded withum, oh, because she has the

(01:22:27):
emotional range of a toaster.
That was like, yeah, good point.
Now do you say that?
I meant she literally looks likeKristen Stewart to me, but yeah.
Those are both fair critiques.
A lackluster performance thereon her part, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:42):
I mean, to be fair to the toaster, toasters have a
little lever at the bottom thatgoes from one setting all the
way up to another setting.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:52):
They can get very hot.

SPEAKER_02 (01:22:53):
And I had nothing against my little toaster.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:55):
It's a brave little toaster.

SPEAKER_04 (01:22:57):
I love the brave little toaster.
Me too.
Yeah.
My the original post-apocalypticmovie that got it that started
little toaster.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:05):
That's correct.
I did want to say briefly that Ihad fully intended us joining
you for the watch party, and I'msad we didn't, but my brother
has sucked my soul out of mybody, and I have no idea where I
am or what time it is.
Oh, because he was visiting thisweek, and I think we were just
finishing the movie.
We watched us with him lastnight.
It was like 9:30, and I was justlike, fuck.
Oh, yeah.

(01:23:26):
And I would be glad you werealready asleep.
And then I was like, damn it, wewere supposed to be somewhere
right now on the internet.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:31):
We had like eight people show up.
We had a pretty good turnout.
Everyone was chatting and havinga good time and sharing good uh
gifts and stuff.
But hey, you know, hopefully youcan join us next month for our
movie, and you know, we'll tellyou guys after we're done
recording what it's gonna be,and that'll be exciting.
Yay!

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:48):
I definitely want to do that because watch parties
are so fun, and I felt I feel alot of FOMO from not getting to
see them.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:54):
Well, we do them every month.
So you're always welcome to joinus.
We have a lot of fun until weget in trouble for it, which
hopefully we don't for a longtime.
Knock on wood.
Yeah, tell me your secrets laterfor that too.
Oh, it's it's literally justblatant, blatantly breaking the
law.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:07):
I love breaking the law.
But how?
I need to know the one, two,three of this.
Haven't you heard?
I'm a terrorist.
I don't think you want to putthat on the internet right now.
Now you're in Tifa?
They already they already know.
My BI agent knows.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:23):
Before we wrap this up, should we I think that we
can all agree that this is ass.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:29):
Yes.
It is so ass.
It's pretty bad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:33):
It's a stanky ass.
I what would you rate it out offive stars, do you think?
I would give it two out of five.

SPEAKER_05 (01:24:39):
Are we doing are we doing two out of five or are we
doing ten zeds again?
What are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:43):
You can do we can have different, it's all the
same.
It depends on the conversionrating.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:47):
I would give it three out of ten zeds, but two
out of five stars.
It doesn't get four out of tenzeds to me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:56):
Yeah, I would give it a three out of ten zeds as
well.

SPEAKER_04 (01:24:58):
Yeah.
Oh, go ahead.
And part of part of my decisionon that is just like how if it
wasn't like a terrible movie.
Like if you just if you werelike, I want to watch a movie,
you would watch that and you'dsay, that was a movie.
Yeah.
But if you wanted to watch azombie apocalypse movie, you'd
be like, what the fuck it wasthat?

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:20):
So And honestly, if you wanted to watch like a
feel-good romance movie, you'dbe like, What the fuck was that?

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:26):
Yeah.
Everything it claims to be,you'd just be disappointed.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:30):
Why am I vaguely repulsed when they kiss?
That's not the sort of thefeeling you're supposed to get
in a rom-com.
But you're repulsed by her or byhim?
Both of them.
I just the whole thing made mereally uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:40):
Nick Holt could do anything and he would be
amazing.
Huge crush.
I think Greg and I both have ahuge crush on Nick Holt.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25:47):
I think he's a fantastic actor.
I really enjoy everything hedoes, but um this was you know,
not not his best day, but it'snot his fault, also.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25:56):
No, I think he carried the movie.
I think he like he did the best.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:00):
Yeah, I and it's universal.
I wrote down three out of ten.
I would also conversion wise, Iwouldn't go down to a two out of
ten.
It's not one, it's not that thatbad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:10):
Yeah, it's not that bad.

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:11):
It's not zombie two, it's not zombie ass bad to make
this fun.
So I'm not gonna go througheverything, but I found one
one-star review on Letterboxd.
Amazing.
I just want to share it.
So it says I made a whole assLetterboxd account just to say
it's it's was so mind-bogglinglyass on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:34):
Oh, amazing!

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:37):
It's was it it's was, yep.
Uh, I can't decide whether toblame the acting, the scripts,
bitches, man, directors, orhonestly, just everyone for this
stank face inducing 100-minutewaste of time.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:54):
Wait, was this a was this review made recently?

SPEAKER_05 (01:26:57):
No, all of these are really pretty old.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:59):
Oh, so so it's not someone who listens and like is
in wicked words and is like, oh,this is definitely us.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:05):
This is somebody off of Letterboxd.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:07):
Amazing.
That's so funny.
I think the time, space,continuum bent there, and like
this is an influence in the pastfor a few.

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:15):
I feel like you know how sometimes you have like
synchronicities that show youlike, oh, I'm on the right path.
Like I've been doing everything.
That that was our moment.
It's finding the this is ass forwarm bodies.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27:30):
We've had a little bit of success with finding.
I mean, it's a it's kind of acommon phrase, things being ass,
but yeah, but oh I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:27:36):
I think it's perfect.
The this fucks and this is assis one of my favorite things
about you too.
It's the ass shoe fits, that'scorrect.
Yeah.
Well one last question for you.
This is just for you, Sarah.
Did you look up what Zeds are?
Have you figured it out?

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:52):
No, I no, I didn't.
I thought we kind of coveredthat.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:55):
Which what was your answer?

SPEAKER_02 (01:27:58):
Uh they're the they're the different names for
the donut holes from tidbits toHortons to Tidbits.
Timbits.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:03):
Timbits.
Zeds.
It's the correct pronunciationof the letter Z, as you
Americans say.
What?
Really?
Yes.
Only in America do theypronounce it.
They I'm an American now, too.
Z.
Everyone's Z.
Yep.
I know it ruins the rhyme.
Yep.
Really?
Yep.
That's banana.
I might say Z, like I remembersinging.

(01:28:24):
Obviously, we all learned ouralphabet here, and I do remember
singing Z.
But because that's the how it'sbecause it rhymes.
But it's Z.
The pro the the Englishpronunciation is Z.
So like all things, America hadto be different.
Right.
We had to remove the colour andZ just is weird.

SPEAKER_04 (01:28:43):
Yeah, it's all about efficiency.
So we just removed theunnecessary two letters from Z.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28:49):
For what it's worth, I do think Z makes more sense.
But I it's like one of the fewthings I refuse to let go of is
my Z.
That's like the thing that makesme Canadian.

SPEAKER_02 (01:28:58):
So it's like World War Z.
Yes.
Wow.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:03):
You know, and since it's a world war, I guess both
are correct because depending onthe other.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:08):
Since it's a world war, it actually seems like
majority rules, and it should beWorld War Z.
And in fact, they probably callit World War Z in other
countries.

SPEAKER_04 (01:29:17):
It might, yeah.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah.
I mean, just like everybody elseuses metal.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:21):
It blew my mind.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:22):
I'm glad I could return the favor because you did
that for me.
It's Tim bits, yes.
But I like that answer.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:29):
Blow your mind.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:30):
Uh, because I maybe actually already forgot, but it
was a psychology fact that Ithought was cool that I'll
remember when I listen back tothis episode.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:36):
Oh, yeah.
It's about mere the mereneurons.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:40):
Yes.
Yeah.
That that actually everything Ienjoy now will be like, oh, it's
my mirror neurons neurons.

SPEAKER_02 (01:29:46):
You should look up Dr.
Ramashant.
I'll give you some, I'll giveyou some some stuff to read.

SPEAKER_01 (01:29:50):
Thank you.
Oh, well, I have also this is myfinal thought before anyone else
wants to share their finalthought, which is that we talked
about being a quadruple.
And I wanted to give folks anupdate that um Joe and Uli did
say yes to our sex tuple weddingoffer, marriage proposal from
the last episode.
But I think we could potentiallyopen up this commune to like one

(01:30:13):
more couple.
Do you all agree?
What do you think?
Or do you want to keep it thesex tuplet?
I was thinking we could uh getapplications.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:21):
Oh.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:23):
Uh I don't know.
I think Google Docs has um, youknow, formal letters of uh
indoctrination we could draft.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:32):
Oh my god, let's not, because it actually might
end up being legally binding andthen but that's what we want
though.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:40):
Well, is it who are who are we thinking of adding?
This is very exciting.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:44):
Well that's she's saying that we'd we'd make it a
casting call, essentially.
Who wants to join?

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:50):
We could do that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:51):
We could do that.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:52):
Yeah, because nothing says we have to accept
them.
We can be incredibly bigoted andbe like, no, none of you meet
our standards.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30:58):
We do have very high standards.
We do.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:00):
We're saving ourselves for they've gotta
bring something to the table.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:04):
Yeah.
What do you bring to the table?

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:07):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:08):
Consider this a casting call.
Let us know in the comments.
Wherever we are.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:13):
Yeah, and and include definitely like send us
an email and include likepictures of you as a couple,
potentially dressed up aszombies, that'd be fine as well.
And let us know what you thinkabout Zed.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:26):
Like it's a person.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:27):
Let us know what you think about Zed.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:29):
Just your personal belief about it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:31):
Like the movie Warm Bodies Don't Apply.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:33):
Don't need not apply.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:36):
Yes.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (01:31:37):
Uh sadly, are now a hard path.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:39):
Sorry, Jonathan Levine.
You need not apply.
He is a director of Warm Bodies.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:47):
I did not know that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:48):
No, I wasn't just picking out a name of anyone
right now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:31:51):
I thought you were calling out like a friend in
your Discord or something.

SPEAKER_02 (01:31:56):
Yeah.
It was just like, and not you,Jonathan.
Oh Lord.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:05):
Nicholas Holt, you are welcome to apply.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:07):
Nicholas Holt, hey, listen, call me at home.

unknown (01:32:09):
We'll talk.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:13):
Well, this has been fun, you guys, as always.
We uh had a ton of fun doingthese two episodes with you
guys.
We'll have to find anothercrossover somewhere in the near
future.

SPEAKER_04 (01:32:22):
Yeah.
Maybe something better.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:25):
Well, we do invite you to join us.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:26):
The book is good, but we definitely need a better
book movie combo because themovie epically led us down here.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:32):
Well, we're hoping our next one will be there.
So if you're listening rightnow, hang tight.
We'll be announcing a new booksoon.
What do you guys have coming upnext?

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:41):
Zombie Ween Game Show 2025.
Fun.
Game show.
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:48):
Is there a 2023 episode or 2024 episode?

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:51):
There is and a 2023.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:53):
I gotta go back and listen to those now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32:55):
Um and I'm gonna say it now.
You two are invited for the 2026Zombie Wien Game Show.
I think you would be wonderfulcontestants.
But it was too late.
I already I had planned this wayin advance, so I've got my
guests who are secret.
We have not announced them yet.
We're recording next weekend.
But basically, imagine like aRuPaul snatch game mashup with
Jeopardy and a dating game.

(01:33:16):
In a dating game, but there areno right answers.
The right answer is the one thatmakes Dan laugh the most.
And that's how you win, and thenI make you a zombie crown.
Oh, that sounds fantastic.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:26):
We are in next year.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:31):
If you if you're you have to think about whether you
want to compete with each otheror you want to compete as a duo,
let me let us know.
We'll think about it.
That's a tough job.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:40):
I don't know.
After I have to read the Odysseyon my desert island.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:44):
Not really sure we're gonna be friends again
after this.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:46):
I might actually like Fletch.

SPEAKER_05 (01:33:50):
You might like Fletch.
They they didn't remake it, butthey made a movie uh a couple
years ago with John Ham wherethey brought back Fletch, and
John Hamm is fantastic asFletch.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:59):
You do love John Hamm too.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:00):
John Ham can do anything.
John Hamm needs to be in azombie movie.
Yeah, I agree.
That'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:06):
That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:07):
I I would see him being more goofy like he was in
my wet, hot American Summer,then he wouldn't be Don Draper
about it.
No.
No, it's not gonna be a goodone.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:15):
He'd be goofy.
He's not gonna be a burly badasseither, but I could see him a
guy who's you know he's like ashyster post-apocalyptic kind of
grifter character of some kind.
He's definitely missing a tooth.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:28):
Yes.
Right.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:30):
I can see him going method too and just being like,
oh, I'm gonna take this fuckerout.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:33):
No, wouldn't he please don't ever suggest that.
John Ham, don't do that ever.
He's gonna do it now.
Nope, he can't do it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:41):
It's dedicated to the role people in Hollywood
have done it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:34:43):
Yeah, but Brad Pitt's not John Ham.
John Hamm is a beautiful,beautiful man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:49):
I have no opinions with any of these men.
I I'm not on mushrooms, but Ino, I don't fun fact about me, I
don't like look at people and belike they're hot.
It just doesn't my brain doesn'tcompute.
I have to fall in love with yoursoul and your brain.
And then later on, I'm like, oh,okay, hi.
That's how it works.
So every time somebody sayssomething is hot, I'm like,
really?
Oh yeah, I guess so.

(01:35:09):
It's kind of awkward for me alot of the time.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:35:12):
I believe you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:13):
Or there's sometimes there's people that like I'll
find attractive that a lot ofpeople don't find attractive,
and that's a really interestingthing.
And then the other way around, alot of people will find someone
attractive that'll be like, Idon't see it.
I don't know.
Is it something about theirpersonal like persona beyond
just their like well, people'spersonalities can certainly
impact how I feel about themphysically?

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:35:35):
But I would also think that there's like
instantly a physical attractionto like that's an attractive
person.
But I guess that's true.
I mean, like, people like JohnHamm and Nick Holt, who I find
extremely attractive, they don'tlook anything alike, but they're
also extremely talented actors.
So there could be, you're you'reprobably right.

(01:35:55):
There's probably somethingthere.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:57):
And that's why Billy Bob Thornton is on the top of
your food chain.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:00):
Oh.
Actually, he has a sexy swaggerto him, too, I gotta say.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:04):
Wow.
Yeah, he does.
He's always a controversialfigure.
Well, I just wanted to say, noton mushrooms, that I do love you
all, and you are my favoritefellow book club podcast by far,
and I'm very excited to continueto participate in your book
club.
I'm going to officially uh readthe books from Wicked Words book
club, not just Zombie Book Club,which for me is a big deal

(01:36:27):
because I don't read a lot.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:30):
Greg said when we started.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:31):
Yeah, exactly.
But cherry pick them carefully.
They're not they're not allwinners.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:36):
That's what we'll say.
Yeah.
If you need suggestions, you cantext me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:40):
I will let you know which ones are worth it.
That is very helpful.
I'm a I'm very comfortable withDNFing, so.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:46):
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:46):
Oh, that's good.
I I'm not, so that's good toknow.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:49):
I'm I'm all about that, but Sarah's very anti-DNF.
Wow.
I appreciate your commitment.

SPEAKER_04 (01:36:54):
I'll be sending my book to Sarah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:36:57):
Yes, exactly.
Uh a lot of people do that.
Don't do that.
It's because I just I have likea completionist thing to me that
like I have to just finish it.
But I'm very proud of myselfwhen I don't, and so is Greg.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:13):
I did it.
I quit reading this book.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37:15):
I quit it.
Isn't that great?
He's like, that is great.
Good job, babe.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:20):
Am I growing as a person?
Right.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37:25):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It makes my heart glow.
All right, y'all.
Well, we uh love you guys aswell, and we look forward to
some whatever we do next,whatever, whatever happens to
come down the pipeline.
Uh and in the meantime, staywicked.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:40):
Stay wicked.
I'm definitely wicked now.
Actually, that's what we say outhere in Vermont.
It's wicked.
It's wicked awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37:46):
It's wicked awesome.
I thought that was like aBoston.
Wicked pizza.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:50):
I don't know what that means, but I saw it in a
t-shirt here recently.
That's where we're gonna leaveit on our end.
Have a good day, everybody.
And a nice listening.
Yeah.
Find us in the places where youfind us.

SPEAKER_04 (01:37:59):
Yeah, don't don't die or whatever our outro is.

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:04):
I forgot there was there should be a musical outro
from Leah.
Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:08):
Yeah, yeah, Leah.
Let's hear it.
Okay, I'm gonna sing it badly.
Might sound crazy, but the endis nah.
Baby ba ba ba.
Bye bye.
Don't die.
Don't die.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:23):
That's the worst version I could possibly do.
So you're wonderful.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:27):
Like over.
Let's let my brain down themiddle.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:35):
Okay, okay.

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