Zombie Bite Sleeves - Dress Like Your Life Depends On It | Zombie Book Club Ep 125 - Zombie Book Club

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SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
Welcome to Zombie Book Club, the only book club
where the book is a total nerdsession about fabric.
I'm Dan, and when I'm notnerding out about Kevlar
firefighter coats, I'm writing abook about survivors of a zombie
apocalypse who navigate theirdifficulties of life in a safe
zone where resources are scarceand class warfare means life and
death.

SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Dan, we just heard from some fans that they really
liked you talking about yourcharacters.
Yeah.
That wasn't about yourcharacters.
Kind of.

SPEAKER_00 (00:47):
I mean, it's closer.
I'm I'm giving away some kind ofclo like less generic details
these days.
Because I kind of it took a longtime, but I feel like I'm
finally, I finally know what thestory is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Yeah.
It took a long time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
It's torture for me to want to know a little bit and
not be able to share it.
So I don't know how you're doingit.
I'm Leah.
I'm Dan's biggest fan, but I'malso my own human, contrary to
the first episode where I said Ihad zero dimensions.
Um Wow.
Call back to episode one.
Yeah.
I mean it was episode two.
It was up, it was uh down there.
Never gonna do a thing wherelike every every episode you add

(01:26):
like an extra.
So what would we be now?
I'd be the I'd have 126dimensions.
I think so.
Wow, that makes me extremelyenlightened, I think.
Yeah.
I'm vibrating at a whole newlevel.
I'm Leah, again, in case youforgot that and all this back
and forth.
Welcome back, friends.
Welcome back, zombesties.
I was actually hoping we wouldtalk about pooping in the

(01:46):
apocalypse today, but we'reputting that on pause because uh
we have a secret surprise guestcoming to talk about us with
what they have deemed thepoopocalypse.
The poop pop cliplops?
Pooh poopocalypse.
I can't even say it.
Um there's too many poop poopsin it.
It's not scheduled yet.

SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Poop pop.

SPEAKER_01 (02:05):
But it's it's brewing, it's being digested,
and it's gonna come out.
Poop pop clops.
The poop.
I can't say it.
Poop poop calypse.

SPEAKER_00 (02:13):
Poopocalypse.
Let us know if you can say pooppop to ops.

SPEAKER_01 (02:18):
Have you been through a poopocalypse?
I feel like at this point, Imean, honestly, as a baby, you
go through your own poopoccalypses, so this should be a
relatable episode.
Uh, but for today, we're gonnabe talking about what you should
wear in the zombie apocalypseand where you will most likely
be bitten.

SPEAKER_00 (02:33):
Yeah, so um, I it's been a long time since I've
planned an episode before.
Mostly it's Leah because I don'thave the time.
But this is something that I'veI've been thinking about a long
time because this comes directlyfrom like the research that I've
been doing writing my own book.
Um, and something that I haveobsessed obsessed about ever

(02:53):
since talking to firefighters atLiving Dead Weekend.
In June of 2025.
Who told me that their coatswere made of Kevlar and they're
awesome, apparently.

SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
I like Kevlar because it makes really super
light canoes.

SPEAKER_00 (03:05):
Yeah.
That's all I knew about Kevlar.

SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
Yeah.
I didn't realize that that wasthe genesis of it because this
started, I ended up putting onthe list for topics we should
discuss because I peeked overDan's shoulder one day, as I do
while he's writing, because I'mlike trying to sneak peeks into
his stories.
And I just saw, can I say ityet?
I saw the words zombie bitesleeves.
And then there was like a reallycomplex table he put together

(03:30):
about zombie bite sleeves, and Iwas like, we have to talk about
this.

SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
Yeah, we're gonna talk about it.
Um we release episodes everySunday.
So subdermal.
What does that mean?
It's um it's it's uh it's underyour skin.
So it's like it's usually usedin pertaining to biting or
injecting.
Sometimes you get a subdermalinjection.

SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
Does a zombie have to bite you to the subdermal
levels of your body to injectyou?

SPEAKER_00 (03:58):
The dermal, the dermis is your skin.

SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
So to break the skin is to have a subdermal injury.
All right.
I think.
I don't know.
I'm not a doctor, don't listento me.
Or do life updates, Leah.
Do we have any life updates?
Um, well, one, you shouldsubscribe if you haven't yet.
Thanks.
I already said subdermal.
That's all they need to know,Leah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:20):
You never know when a new person is joining and
they're like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 (04:24):
We say words wrong on purpose.

SPEAKER_01 (04:26):
Yes.
So when I say scissors, knoweverybody that I can't actually
say the word scissors.
I don't know that that'sactually true.
I just proved it.
But we're gonna do life updatesbefore scissors.
It actually hurts me to say itthat way, though.
Scissors.
Scissors.
Scissors.
Scissor.

SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
Uh what are what are our life updates, Leah?

SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
Well, uh, in two days I have my next and final
art fair for the Christmasseason.
I only wanted to sign up for afew to see what was viable.
Also, the sign-up costs are likea lot.

SPEAKER_03 (04:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:59):
So hoping that one goes well.
It's it's got the word unicornin the event name, which makes
me love it instantly becausebefore I was obsessed with
zombies.
It was unicorns.

SPEAKER_03 (05:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (05:09):
This could have been the unicorn podcast if Dan
wanted to write a fantasy bookabout unicorns.

SPEAKER_00 (05:13):
Yeah.
That reminds me of uh of a bookthat we remember hearing about.
I forget who told us all aboutit.
It was about violent unicorns.
Oh.

SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
And it was weird.
It was deeply disturbing, and Idon't think we should promote it
at all or even talk about evenfurther because the per yeah,
let's not go there.
Uh, and you know we supporterotica, so you can just leave
it to your imagination what wewould not support.
Uh, I'm also feral.
I'm enjoying a micro-retirementperiod.
I'm um well, okay, September,December, or September, October,
November.

(05:44):
Yeah, I'm almost exactly threemonths unemployed.
And I've had the last two weeksoff from like really hardcore
job searching.
I've had a few interviews inthat time period, but no
applications because it's theholidays and like people aren't
posting jobs very much rightnow.

SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
Yeah, and they're not following up with leads very
often either.

SPEAKER_01 (06:02):
No.
Um, in fact, when I did aninterview yesterday, she said
like I'm way behind oneverything, and this is gonna
take till January.
And I was like, so what I'mhearing is in a best case
scenario, I'm working inJanuary, which means I don't
have to work for the next month,which maybe financially is not
great.
But man, is it fun to wake upwhen you want and go to sleep
when you want and not have amillion jobs to apply for.

(06:24):
So I'm gonna try and just enjoythis period.

SPEAKER_00 (06:26):
Yeah.
Um I found it to be uh strangelybusy lately.
I don't know why.
It's not like I'm doing a hugeamount of things, but it seems
like there's always likesomething every day that's like
a little bit destabilizing thatI need to like redo my whole day
just to go do that thing or to,you know, you know how it goes.

(06:49):
Um, so somehow we're recordingthis at the last possible minute
again, instead of being ahead.
You'd think that two unemployedpeople whose only obligation is
to put out an episode of thepodcast would have done it
sooner.
And it's my fault.
Thank you for acknowledgingthat.
Leah asked me many times thisweek, you want to record an
episode?
I'm like, uh, but to be fair, Iwas recovering from having um

(07:13):
vaccinations.
True.
And my arm wanted to fall off.
And also, there were otherthings.

SPEAKER_01 (07:20):
Also, you're just a procrastinator.

SPEAKER_00 (07:21):
I had to convert the lawnmower into a snowblower.
Then snowblow, there's snow.
It's not much, but there's some.

SPEAKER_01 (07:29):
Well, I had a fun thing that I did in this time
period, even though we weren'tgetting ready for an episode.
I did a full holiday guide tozombie stories in the age of AI.
All authors we know and love.
And there's more than 30 books,comics, graphic novels that we
promoted in the last week inlieu of we're basically saying,
hey, buy this instead ofanything from a big corporation.

SPEAKER_03 (07:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (07:51):
And people seem to really love it.
So if you're listening to thisand you haven't seen that, it's
on Instagram.
Um, I'll have the posts pinnedfor a little while, anyways.
But basically, if you think youknow someone who doesn't like
zombies or says they're not intoit, my holiday guide is kind of
a challenge to that because Iorganize all the different
threads, there's six of them,into genres.

(08:12):
So if your friends like romance,you can let them read Catherine
Breen's Rod the Zombie or How WeSurvived.
They like erotica, zombiereerection, a really good time.
Yeah.
They like it a little bitsmuddy, but not quite erotica.
The Z-word.
You want found family and like ajourney of someone healing as a
human being, babysitter of theapocalypse.

(08:33):
And it goes on and on and on.
30 of those, and differentgenres, sci-fi, fantasy, horror,
obviously horror, thrillers,comedy, it's all there for you.

SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
I love that because it's something that I've been
saying for a long time is thatlike the zombie apocalypse, it's
like it's it's an environmentalhazard around a story that's
happening.
And um, and we've talked to somany people who were not
interested at all in zombiebooks because they just happen
to come up to us and say, What'sall this zombie stuff about?
And then we're like, Yeah, youlike zombies?

(09:02):
And you're like, not really.
And uh, and it's great becauseyou can be like, Well, what do
you like?
And they're like, I like magicand you know, I like fantasy,
but also like I mostly just readlike kids' books.

SPEAKER_01 (09:15):
Wizards of the Apocalypse.

SPEAKER_00 (09:17):
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
Yeah.
Young Adult Fantasy by author XZombie with zombies in it.
Yeah.
I want to give one special shoutout, uh, because it was in the
holiday guide, and you may havenoticed that we've been having
an ad lately that pops up.
Right.
We have uh we're doing thatbecause we really, really,
really, really want to seefunded the first issue of Maze
staken, not stirred by ourzombie Ollie Eats Brains.

SPEAKER_00 (09:40):
Yeah.
Wouldn't it be amazing if thatad just played and that now
we're talking about it while theperson while they're listening?
It could happen.
And they're like, why are theysaying it twice?

SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
I just want to say Ollie is$275 away from meeting
their goal, which is reallyclose.
And you could be the person whohelps take them over the edge.

SPEAKER_03 (10:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:01):
And this is my most anticipated uh comic that I know
is coming in 2026.

SPEAKER_03 (10:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:07):
I've read the series online on Ollie Eats Brand's
website, which is really great.
I've seen some of the art.
I've been really lucky to get alittle bit of a preview.
Thank you, Ollie and Fede, forletting me see it.

SPEAKER_00 (10:18):
Ollie teased some pages, three pages.
And those three pages, eventhough they're not even fully
colored in yet, not like evenclose to the final art style,
was still amazing to look at.

SPEAKER_01 (10:29):
Yeah.
And Ollie is uh Ollie, don't geta big head, because I know
you're probably listening.
So, or you know, just cover yourears so your head does not
enlarge.
Uh, is one of the funniestpeople I've ever met.
And that story is hilarious.
I cannot wait to see itvisualized.
Like literally in the two linesI was chuckling uh when I read
it online.
So really recommend that yougive that a uh checkout.

(10:52):
You know, every little bitcounts.
I think if you donate, or if younot donate, if you pledge, if
you pledge five dollars, you geta PDF of the comic when it
releases, and the estimateddelivery date is August 2026,
which is pretty reasonable.

SPEAKER_03 (11:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:07):
Uh, but you can always do more.
But for$5, you are helping anincredible indie creator out,
two of them actually, awonderful artist, Fede, and our
friend Ollie Eats Brains.
And you're going to giveyourself the gift of a really
excellent story.
And if you want to learn moreabout the story, we actually
talked to Ollie about it in thewritten version, not the comic,

(11:28):
since that hasn't come out yet.
Episode 57.
So close.

SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Which one is it?

SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
Episode 58.
Damn! And Maze stands formonsters, aliens, zombies, etc.
That's what it stands for.
Because I like the etc.
Ollie's wild brain had so manyideas that they thought to
themselves, you know what I'mgonna do?
I'm gonna smush them alltogether and make the wildest
story I could possibly imaginewhile making people laugh.
And it's a very good time.

SPEAKER_00 (12:59):
Yeah.
Uh Ollie makes me laugh all thetime.
So daily.
Yeah.
At least once.
So this is Ollie in print form.
Yeah.
So you can have an Ollie on yourshelf.

SPEAKER_01 (13:11):
Yeah, and that's in the show notes.
So please go check it out.
Five bucks is not a lot, but ittook goes a long way towards a
really big dream a friend ofours has, and frankly, that I
really need in my life.
Thank you very much.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
Yeah, let's get it.

SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
So let's get to the topic of our episode, Dan.

SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Yeah.
Do we have any groans from thehorde?

SPEAKER_01 (13:29):
Oh, shoot! We do, but they're about the topic.
Oh.
How so?
Well, when we decided all oflate last night that we were
finally gonna do the zombie bitesleeves episode, I thought, you
know what?
There's this cool zombie uh bookclub Facebook group that
somebody made.
I don't know who.
Me.
Um, it was you.

(13:50):
Where there's some lovely peopleon there and they probably have
ideas.
So I wanted to get somereference points as a starting
place of like where we'vealready seen survivors in a
zombie apocalypse deliberatelywrap up their arms to defend
against zombie bikes.

SPEAKER_00 (14:02):
That's a good that's that's a great topic.

SPEAKER_01 (14:04):
Very first person to answer, our friend Peter, gave
us Train de Busan and World WarZ.
Do you remember the moments inTrain de Busan and World War Z
where they wrap their arms down?

SPEAKER_00 (14:13):
I don't remember it in Train de Busan.
Um, but I do remember that Ithink it did happen.
Um, but I do remember in WorldWar Z, Brad Pitt um duct tapes
magazines to his arms.

SPEAKER_01 (14:25):
Yeah, I have a vague memory, and Peter, if you're
listening, tell us if this isright, or anybody else who
happens to know, I have a vaguememory in Train de Business
where they're they know theyhave to go into the next car
over and they know there'szombies in there, and that's
when they tape up their arms onthe train.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:38):
I can almost see it, but like my memory, I need to
watch that movie again is whatI'm what I'm realizing.

SPEAKER_01 (14:45):
Did you know that the 10-year anniversary is
coming up for Train to Businessthis year in 2026?
And how would you know that,Leah?
Because I just made a calendarfor Zombie Book Club limited
edition.
If you know, you know becauseyou've already ordered it.

SPEAKER_03 (14:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
However, I did get an extra one, and there may be a
giveaway.

SPEAKER_03 (15:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
Uh Among the Dead by Ryan Collie is uh an author
who's a part of our group andit's their book.
And apparently they have uh bitesleeves where they protect
themselves.
I'm just gonna read adescription of this book.
Apparently, it is a wholeseries.
We need to check it out.
I think that they are um friendsof friends of ours.
Yeah, the name sounds familiar.

(15:23):
Yeah, this is the description ofit on Amazon.
My name is Sam.
Alice, the love of my life,lives 170 miles away, and she
stopped answering the phone.
So I'm leaving the safety of myhome to see if she's okay.
A simple journey, except theroads are abandoned, the cities
are quarantined, and London is astate of evacuation.
I have a plan.
Not only do I have a plan, butI've seen enough apocalypse

(15:45):
films to repair.
This makes sense.
Yeah.
That's why they're using thebite film or bite sleeves.
I can be the hero Alice needs.
I have to be.
170 miles, over 50 million, 50million potential zombies.
And Alice won't pick up thephone.
Come on, Alice.
Pick up the phone.
Oh, yeah, the dead has startedwalking just the other day in
England.
So that's that's one that's gotsome zombie bite sleeves in it.

(16:06):
We should check it out.

SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
That sounds really great, and I love the premise
because the first thing that Ithought of is like, I'm
imagining us when we were whenwe were young and lived very far
apart from each other, like likeuh over a thousand miles away
from each other.
And if the zombie apocalypsehappened, I would absolutely be
mad-maxing my way to Canada tocome find you.

(16:28):
Um, even if that meant that Ialso had to protect your
boyfriend from zombies as well.
Oh wow.
It'd be a complex situation.

SPEAKER_01 (16:38):
If that happened, I'm fairly certain that if it
goes the way a movie should go,is that said boyfriend um
reveals themselves to be a dickand gets eaten by zombies in a
really horrific way.
Yeah.
And then you and I go out intothe wasteland together.
Yeah.
Happy ending.
Everybody wins.
And I immediately love you andfeel no grief for the other
person because he was a jerk.

unknown (16:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (17:01):
Well, that sounds great.
That sounds excellent.
Uh, another one shared by AliceB.
Sullivan, a close author friendof ours.
Alice, different Alice.
Yeah.
Uh first they said Milton andThe Walking Dead used bite
sleeves.
I don't remember who Milton is.

SPEAKER_00 (17:15):
Um, oh, I do kind of remember that.
So Milton, Milton was like thenerdy right hand person of the
governor in season three.
Um, he wore glasses.
He he had uh an obvious productplacement tea kettle that poured
from the bottom, um, which everysingle time I see it, it like

(17:40):
shakes me out of the illusion ofthe zombie apocalypse.
Um he was doing experiments onpeople who were near death.
And he was using um you know thethe sound thing.
Um sound bowls?
The sound, yeah, sound bowl andmusic to try to create a trigger
in somebody who was near death.
So that when they died, he coulduse the sound bowl and the music

(18:03):
to try to uh activate thatmemory in the zombie's brain to
see if there's still peopleinside.
And uh spoiler alert, it didn'twork out.
That's really too bad.
Yeah.
Frankenstein's monster reallyliked me.
But I do I do vaguely remembersomething about him putting on
sleeves.
Like leather sleeves.
Was it leather sleeves?

(18:24):
Alice, you gotta let us know.
Let us know, Alice.

SPEAKER_01 (18:26):
But also in their novelette that is part of their
aftermath series, uh, Return,Eli wraps the end of his shirt
sleeves and pant legs with ducttape to keep them secure and
decrease the risk of exposedskin.
That's very reasonable.
Duct tape is everywhere, andit's not gonna affect your
ability to like move too much, Idon't think.

SPEAKER_00 (18:47):
Yeah.
So I've done this when I was akid, you know.
As a kid, I was like a forestcreature.
Um, I spent all of my time inthe woods, and something that
bothered me so much was, youknow, getting caught up in some
blackberry bushes or thorns orsomething.
And I'm I made a pair of pants.
It wasn't like it wasn't uh ducttape, I used electrical tape.

(19:10):
I remember you telling me thisstory, actually.
And um, and I mean they lookedlike leather pants because I
covered every square inch withblack electrical tape, and they
were really hot, really hard towalk around in, and the glue
from the tape kind of likeeventually with the heat seeped
through my pants, so my legswere sticking to the inside of

(19:34):
my pants.
Um, but I I just strode throughthe blackberry bushes as if they
weren't even there.

SPEAKER_01 (19:42):
We should do this again next summer.

SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 (19:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (19:45):
Well, this book, uh just gonna give a little shout
out for it.
It's called Return again byAlice B.
Sullivan as part of a it's anaftermath short part of that
series.
In desperate need of supplies,Elijah ventures into a city
teeming with undead.
But when his perilous journeygoes awry and he's backed into a
corner, the only thing keepingElijah fighting for his life is
the promise he made toseven-year-old Lionel to return.

(20:08):
Oh no, is Lionel alone out theresomewhere?
Lionel.
You know Lionel.
There's a theme so far of Amongthe Dead in Return, which is
that like, and I think it's areal one, people are willing to
risk their lives for someonethey love.

SPEAKER_00 (20:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (20:22):
Or someone they feel responsible for.

SPEAKER_00 (20:24):
Yeah.
I think I think this is haspotential to be a really
compelling story.
I I'm absolutely gonna grab thatone.
Same Z.
Yeah.
Um Alice is quickly becoming oneof my favorite people.
And authors, yeah.
If if she wasn't already, whichactually she is, and has been
ever since we met her, um, atLiving Dead weekend.

(20:46):
Uh the the more I learn aboutAlice and the more I get to know
Alice, the more exemplary of ahuman being she proves herself
to be.

SPEAKER_01 (20:54):
Yeah, literally today she just mentioned that uh
she was sore.
I'm Alice, we're just tellingyour business now.
Uh that she was sore fromshoveling snow.
Yeah.
And that she did it for one ofher elderly neighbors.
And I'm like, of course you did,you angel.
Of course you did.
Anyways, yeah, you should buyAlice's books.
That's the point we're trying tomake here.

(21:15):
Yeah.
Uh one person says they justlisted it.
Train to Business, The WalkingDead, X Heroes.
I don't know that one.

SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
I don't know that one either.

SPEAKER_01 (21:23):
Um, World War Z book mentions layering and makeshift
body armor.

SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 (21:28):
Uh, they bring up Brad Pitt taping things to their
arms.
Um, that there was makeshiftarmor in Black Summer.
They wrote Black Dumber, but I'mgonna assume that was uh typo,
and Z Nation.
And the zombie survival guiderecommends layering and tape.

SPEAKER_00 (21:42):
I don't remember the one in Black Summer.

SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
Um, but I believe in Z Nation.
Yeah.
And then we have one more book,Last Man Standing by Keith
Taylor.
This one is being uh suggestedby Courtney.
It is also a trilogy.
I love it because we all knowthere's one thing that many
zombie aficionados and readerslove is like a multi-series epic
world experience.

(22:05):
Yeah.
Uh so Courtney doesn't describewhere it happened, so we'll just
give you a quick description ofthis book.
Bangkok, March 2018.
The world looked on in horror asmillions of innocent lives were
snuffed out in a matter ofhours.
Countless men, women, andchildren slaughtered without
mercy, torn apart by a violentmob that attacked without
reason, motive, or warning.
Tom Freeman witnessed theaftermath.

(22:27):
He reported on the tragedy andlooked into the eyes of the sole
survivor and old friend, andwhat he saw looking back sent
him home or sorry, sent himrunning home to the United
States, back to safety, back toa place where the world made
sense and the putrid stink ofthe dead didn't haunt his
nightmares.
Turns out he didn't run quicklyenough.
They're coming.
Remain indoors, gather supplies,find a weapon.

(22:48):
The zombies are here and they'rehungry.
This is the last man's standingtrilogy, complete, unabridged,
and collected for the first timein a single volume.
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
That sounds that sounds also quite perilous.

SPEAKER_01 (23:00):
Yeah, uh, it's from the author of the
internationally bestselling ThisIs the Way the World Ends, an
Oral History of the Zombie War.
That sounds cool too.
Wow.
So all of these books we've beenreferencing will be in the show
notes for you to check out.
All right.
And I think now we're ready forthe main event.
Dan's main event.
Dan's info dump.
Um another kind of poopoccalypse.
So poop the plops.

(23:25):
I literally can't say it.
You know, there was a point inmy life where I thought that
poop humor was like so base andterrible.
Yeah, it's below me.
And I don't feel that wayanymore.

SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
Um, so yeah, I don't even really know what to call
this topic, but uh we're gonnatalk about zombie bites and what
you should wear to avoid them.
Maybe that's what we're callingit.

SPEAKER_01 (23:47):
Um this could also be useful when working
potentially with dogs you don'tknow.
Um let's talk about some otherapplications.
Dogs you don't know, shittyneighbors.

SPEAKER_00 (23:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:57):
Um going out in the blackberry bushes.

SPEAKER_00 (24:00):
Yeah.
Um drunkards.

SPEAKER_01 (24:02):
Drunkards.
You gotta break through awindow.

SPEAKER_00 (24:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (24:06):
So these are there's some real life applications
here.

SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
Yeah, there's there's all kinds of uses.
I mean, you know, it might noteven might not even be
protecting yourself againstbites.
Maybe uh knife wieldingpsychopath.

SPEAKER_03 (24:17):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
And some of these things might help you, maybe a
little bit.
A little bit more than more thangoing out with no sh no shirt
on.
That's for sure.
No shirt, no shoes, zombiebites.
So when this is this is gonna bethis is gonna be an info dump.
I'm ready.
This is what happens.
I'm gonna close my laptop.
Yeah, close it for a little bit.
I'm just gonna take you on aride.
Okay.
Um it's been a while since I'vesince I've planned an episode

(24:43):
because I haven't had the time,but when I do, man, it is a
dump.
Speaking of poop pop to plops.

SPEAKER_01 (24:49):
That's you're stealing my poop joke.

SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
The info dump is going to be it's piling up.
Um people love your info dumps,so go.
I this this started when we wentto Living Dead weekend.
I talked to some firefightersand they told me about the
Kevlar jackets that they wear.
Yeah, you explained.
I didn't know they were made ofKevlar.
So immediately I'm like, they'remade of Kevlar?

(25:14):
That's crazy.
Because like Kevlar is what uhbulletproof helmets are made out
of.
The uh body armor, like what'ssitting next to me in this.

SPEAKER_01 (25:23):
Yeah, Dan has protective body armor right
beside him.
Um because PTSD.

SPEAKER_00 (25:27):
You know, uh uh pants for riding motorcycles
that keep you from losing all ofyour skin at 200 miles an hour.
They're made of Kevlar.
It's an amazing material.
Um super ultra-light canoes.
Yeah.
Again, my only reference point.
You combine it with a with aresin, you can make a really
hard surface that's also reallylightweight.
So it's it's crazy.
So I that I'm like, what Ididn't even know.

(25:50):
Um, so it but it also got methinking about this old stand-up
bit from this guy named DmitryMartin.
Um, this is like 2005, 2006.
He's a really funny guy, youshould look him up.
And uh and he said he had thisbit where he was like, I was at
a party and I saw a guy with aleather jacket, and I thought,
that's cool.
Then I saw a guy with a leathervest, and I thought, that's not

(26:13):
cool.
It was then that I realized whatcoolness is all about.
Leather sleeves.
That makes complete sense.
Um and also another thing thatruns through my mind a lot,
especially while I'm writing, islike you're watching uh you're
watching a show like um TheWalking Dead or Z Nation or a

(26:35):
movie.
Um, and somebody's hiding abite, but they're always hiding
in like some crazy location,like the middle of their back.
Yeah.
We've seen that before.
We've seen it on the stomach,the middle of the back, uh like
the the shoulder in between theneck and the shoulder, like
under a leather jacket.
It's like how did the zombie getunder your leather jacket?

(26:55):
Did it bite through the leatherjacket?
I don't see teeth marks.
And also, can a zombie bitethrough a leather jacket?
No.
I don't think so.
Not if you not if they don'thave enough time.
Um, so I also I so I also wantto talk about like the where
zombie bites are going to occurbecause like a leather jacket is
heavy and hot.

SPEAKER_01 (27:15):
Yeah, hands.

SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
But what if what if you just had what if just sewed
some leather sleeves onto yourcotton t-shirt?
Just cover the parts that areare necessary.

SPEAKER_01 (27:25):
I feel like anywhere that has like um a level of like
I don't know how to explain thisuh for non-visually, but like
your shoulders, like the top ofyour shoulder, your hands, your
nose is biteable.
Pretty easy.

SPEAKER_00 (27:41):
Your nose is biteable, it's true.

SPEAKER_01 (27:43):
But I think, yeah, generally speaking, like from
the shoulder, from the neck allthe way through to your hands is
your most vulnerable point.

SPEAKER_00 (27:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
So um, so I want I wonder.
Unless it's a zombie who whodoesn't have who's on the floor,
a crawling zombie.
We're gonna talk about all thesethings.

SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
Okay.
So um I there's no real likestatistics that you can find
about like where it's mostlikely to be bitten by a human
being.
Like there's no studies, there'sno um, there's no reports,
there's no like uh police reportstudies that are like trying to
find out where people are bittenthe most.

(28:18):
Like people just don't care, Iguess.
But there are some things thatum that help me come to these
conclusions.
So like the first one is a bookcalled Forensic Pathology by
Vincent JM DeMaio.
Um, and that's uh it's a it's aa forensics study about all
kinds of things, and in that itit shows a lot of like defensive

(28:41):
wounds.
And he finds that most peoplewho are defending themselves
against an attacker um havedefensive wounds on their arms
and hands.
Uh there's also some uh multiplepolice training manuals that
talk about practical aspects ofself-defense, um, specifically

(29:01):
in upper limb engagementsagainst uh armed opponents.
And that can help us determinesome of these numbers.
And another thing is um somestatistics from the CDC about uh
dog bites.

SPEAKER_01 (29:18):
That would make sense.
Yeah.
But also I want to point outthat dog teeth, this feels like
something I shouldn't have tosay, but I'm going to.
Dog teeth and human teeth aredifferent.
Dog teeth are gonna have a hellof an easier time getting in
places like I've seen a dog bitesomebody's thigh.
That's kind of a hard place toreally bite with a human mouth.

SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (29:37):
But when you got those uh those big tefers.

SPEAKER_00 (29:40):
Yeah.
And in a paper published by theNIH um on their website about uh
animal and human bite wounds,they found that the majority of
defensive wounds against dogsthat are attacking are on the
hands and arms, uh, with theexception being children who are
often attacked on the face andneck.

SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
I feel like in it's instantly we're in you know, not
zombie bites, but as soon as weget into dog bites, we should
have done a trigger warning.
Trigger warning.
Because I know people who'vebeen, I know like a lot of
people have been bitten by dogs.
It's not uncommon.
So sorry for that.
I think we're done with talkingabout dogs.
Yeah, we're done talking aboutdogs.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (30:17):
Um, so what I put together is what I believe is
your risk percentage based onbody part for a zombie bite.
Um, right off the top, we gotforearms and hands.
Forearms is going to be like a30% chance.
Hands 20.
Um, because that's your primarydefensive zone.

(30:38):
Your instinct is to raise yourhands and block and push and
grab.
Why are hands less thanforearms?
Uh well, if you think about likewhere your hands might go if you
were pushing somebody away, yourforearm is going to be closer to
their mouth.
Good point.
Um, but hands are right there.
Uh they could easily grab on,but I feel like if they grab

(30:59):
onto your hand, they're morelikely to bite the wrist or the
forearm.

SPEAKER_01 (31:03):
That makes sense.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:04):
Um then we've got lower legs and shins, where
we're looking at I think 10%,because this is going to be
rare.
Uh, you're really only going tobe exposing your lower
extremities to a zombie if youare on the ground and tackled,
or if you're climbing a ladder.

SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
Or you're dangling your legs into some water and
there's underwater zombiespointing towards you, then it's
very higher.
So there's some environmentalcontext.

SPEAKER_00 (31:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I gave that 10% thighs, 5%,because it's closer to the
center of your defensive zone.
Your hands and arms are going tobe defending that at those
areas, and also that's rightwhere your groin is.
And your instinct to uh toprotect the groin, it's very
high.
Is groin in your list here?

SPEAKER_03 (31:51):
It is.

SPEAKER_01 (31:52):
You want to guess where it is?
Like percentage?
Yeah.
Are we talking about innies orouties?
Um, I'm thinking about outies.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (32:01):
I think the percentage would be lower for
the innies, but what do youthink for outside?

SPEAKER_01 (32:05):
I think it's important to have percentages
for both.
Yeah.
Equal opportunity biting.

SPEAKER_00 (32:09):
What percentage chance do you think for the
outies?

SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
Um well, there's a lot of size factors there, Dan.
If we're talking um the bigswinging dicks of 28 years later
fame, it's still not gonna be ashigh as the hands.
So I'm gonna say 25%.

SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
Wow, that's pretty high.

SPEAKER_01 (32:28):
But that's that's when you're looking at it's
they're they're shh long.
Um, I think your average buddymight be 15%.
Um but also like you may you ifthere's a little bit of cute
belly fat going on, that alsoincreases your your likelihood.

SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
Like the the fupa area?

SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
Yeah, you've got if you've got a fupa either fat
upper putt pussy or penis.
Yeah.
I don't think we've ever usedthe word pussy on this show.
Isn't that interesting?
There it is.
This has happened now.
Um your fupa.
Yes, your fat up or some blankarea.
Um, yeah, there could be alittle cute biteable spot.

SPEAKER_00 (33:05):
That's a good point.
And these are these are umvariables.

SPEAKER_01 (33:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (33:10):
Uh 2%.
Two percent?
Two percent.
Why is it less than a hard toget to place?

SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Harder than the thigh?

SPEAKER_00 (33:17):
Yes.
I guess harder.
Because like your your instinctis going to be to like buckle
down and protect that area.
Remember that part of bloodquantum where uh oh my god,
that's right.
Blood quantum, somebody getstheir dick bit off.
Yep.
Um I'm gonna so shoulders andupper arms, uh, 10%.
Shoulders.

(33:38):
Huh.
So I my feeling on this is thatif you uh have arms and your
ambulatory, uh getting to yourshoulder or your upper arms is
going to be difficult if youhave forearms and hands, because
those are gonna be pushing.

SPEAKER_01 (33:54):
Well, what if they're coming up at you from
behind, which is a very commonissue?
Well, that's another story.

SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
That's a variable, Leah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:00):
I feel like you just made up some numbers.

SPEAKER_00 (34:03):
Yes, but but I think that they're accurate.
All right.
Um, but there could be anentirely different list if we're
talking about uh gettingattacked from behind.

SPEAKER_01 (34:13):
Yeah, I feel like there needs to be like, first of
all, height, like there's somany variables of body height,
body size, yeah, where thezombies are coming from.

SPEAKER_00 (34:22):
If it's a short zombie, you might have a higher
risk of getting bitten in thegroin.
So moving into some of ourfavorite bite locations, the t
the torso, which is like thefront of the chest and stomach
and the back, they both get 5%.

SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (34:38):
Um fair torso is like the most protected by the
arms area.
So unless you're pinned andtackled, um, they're not taking
a bite out of your nipples.
Like unless they have your arms,unless they have your hands
pinned down, um, or they'vealready eaten your hands.

SPEAKER_01 (34:54):
Zomb babies.

SPEAKER_00 (34:55):
Yeah.
Um, but we're also this is alsolike a one-bite situation.

SPEAKER_01 (35:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (35:01):
Uh, and the back, unless unless you're attacked
from behind, they're not gettingyour back.

SPEAKER_01 (35:07):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (35:07):
And even then, I feel like they have to pin you
to the ground.
Where are you at with neck?
Neck and throat is next fivepercent.

SPEAKER_03 (35:13):
Huh.

SPEAKER_00 (35:14):
Um, it's less commonly exposed.
Like the whole idea of a zombiecoming up and just coming
straight for the neck, like yourarms are in front of you.

SPEAKER_01 (35:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:22):
Um, if you're not going to be able to do it again,
that's a behind, they'd have abetter chance, but like they
have to really get in there realclose.
There's a lot of opportunity,even from behind.
All you have to do is throw yourarm behind you and elbow them.
I think you're gonna smell theirsnanky breath.
Yeah, you're gonna smell itcoming.

SPEAKER_01 (35:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:38):
Uh, hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 (35:39):
Although you might not be able to because your
smell challenges.

SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
Um, I do think that these numbers change when you're
talking about specifically anattack from behind.

SPEAKER_01 (35:47):
Okay.
So this is a front-facing attackand you're standing.
Um, face.

SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
Head and face, five percent.
Um, so you're not going to thisisn't going to happen unless
you're panicked and you'rescrambling and you're down on
the ground.
Um, and very rare in uprightengagements.
Like this would have to besomething where like they either
have so much momentum or there'slike other zombies behind
pushing forward and you'repinned against a wall.

SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
Uh the face wound seems to be the most common
wound in the show we're watchingright now, which is all of us
are dead.

SPEAKER_00 (36:17):
Yeah, there's a lot of them.

SPEAKER_01 (36:18):
Do you think that's unrealistic?

SPEAKER_00 (36:20):
I I do to an extent.
Like, I think it can happen, butI think it's a very low
percentage.
Um, one thing that it I do likeseeing in All of Us Are Dead is
a lot of the people do have bitemarks on their arms.
Yeah.
Uh, which I think is very, veryrealistic.

SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
My favorite place to draw a zombie bite is on the
face.

SPEAKER_00 (36:37):
Just a sidebar.
It's it's very visuallyappealing.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (36:41):
That's probably why they did it in the show.

SPEAKER_00 (36:43):
Because it's one of the few exposed skin areas, um,
if you're fully clothed.
Um, the last one that I havebesides genitals is is feet,
which I put at 3%.
Um, some of the reasons for thatis your feet are probably the
most protected material-wise.
Uh if you're even if you'rewearing tennis shoes, like the

(37:05):
nylon fabric of the shoe isgoing to be too hard to bite
through for a zombie.
Um, and the only time that yourfeet are going to be uh
vulnerable is from crawlingzombies, or when you're climbing
up uh a ladder, or again, ifyou're dangling your feet in the
water while swimming, whichmight be the only time it would
be possible because you'd haveyour shoes off.

(37:26):
True.
Dangling those toes in the pond.

SPEAKER_01 (37:28):
Yeah, you're sleeping.
It's an easily grabbable thing.

SPEAKER_00 (37:31):
Yeah, you're sleeping on the dock with your
feet in the water, or a crawlingzombie.

SPEAKER_01 (37:34):
I mean, like you're childhood fit or childhood fear
unlocked.
Um, my I could not dangle myfeet or my hands over the edge
of the bed because something wasgoing to eat them.

SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
Okay, now you're giving me ideas.
Because like somebody asleep intheir safe house, and then like
a zombie gets in, and they theywalk up, and the the first thing
they see is some, you know,these uh these little piggies
sticking out from underneath theblanket.

SPEAKER_01 (38:01):
They're going it's starting because it's gonna look
like hanging over the edge,hanging over the edge, too, like
just dangling.
I I think that hasn't been doneyet.
I I mean they almost bit uh oneof those wormy zombies on 28
years later almost bit somebodysleeping.
That's true.
But they didn't actually andthey weren't on the bed.
That's true.

SPEAKER_00 (38:19):
They're going for the face.
Yeah.
See, if they if they went forthe toes, they might have gotten
away with it.

SPEAKER_01 (38:25):
But also an easy place to amputate.
So if the laws of amputation inthis reality work, yeah, you
might survive.

SPEAKER_00 (38:30):
That's something I wonder too with the groin
attack.
Like, if you get your dick bitoff, do you just cut it off?
That's an amputation.
Like and you know, you're gonnabe you're gonna be spraying out
some blood.
Like that's an arterial wound.
Like you're gonna like there'snot a whole lot that's gonna be
going back in.

SPEAKER_01 (38:46):
Yeah, there's just some things that are
logistically challenging, likepeeing.
I don't know how that happened.
I don't know how that happens.
I think in a world of medicalcare, like it could happen, like
they could fix that, but I'm notsure in a world if it's a zombie
apocalypse, you gotta cut offyour dick, but you're gonna
survive anyways.
Oh sort of what I mean.
After you cut it off.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (39:04):
Yeah.
I just thought you meant ingeneral.
I was like, we could look atsome medical.
This is the grossest episodewe've ever done.
All right.
So um with that out of the way,you know, we're we're talking
forearms and hands alone, 50%chance that you're gonna get
bitten.
And if you can if you includeyour your shoulders and upper

(39:25):
arms, we're we're talking 60%right away.

SPEAKER_03 (39:28):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (39:28):
Then if you uh then if you if you add up your your
legs, your lower extremities,your feet and your genitals.

SPEAKER_01 (39:38):
Not the genitals.

SPEAKER_00 (39:40):
Yeah, we're talking like we're we're accounting
already for 85% of your zombiebites.
It's gonna be either your lowerextremities or your upper
extremities.
The torso, neck, and head are avery low risk of of bite.
You just described the entirebody.
I d I did describe the entirebody.
What I'm saying is that thetorso, neck, and head are very

(40:02):
low risk.

SPEAKER_01 (40:04):
Oh if you have a big thing.
Well the part of your bodythat's a snake.

SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
Yeah.
The snake part of your body.
Unless you're a snake.
And then it's a high riskbecause it's all you got.

SPEAKER_01 (40:17):
But if you got weird little limbs on your sides,
yeah.
Then you're in trouble.

SPEAKER_00 (40:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, we're on the right page.
Okay.
So like the the the head, neck,and torso is only like a 15%
chance total.
And it's like a big part of yourbody.
But because of theseextremities, your extremities
are like really good atdefending your body.
But it also, if you're fightingsomething that will infect you
and kill you just by biting you,it becomes a problem because you

(40:46):
know your hands are basicallydelivering themselves to the
zombie.
Um so protecting the arms andyour extremities is the most
important thing.
Uh which I I thought, you know,what if you just added sleeves
to whatever outfit?
But I think For the next part ofour discussion about materials.

(41:07):
Okay.
We're just going to assume awhole shirt.

SPEAKER_01 (41:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (41:10):
A whole pair of pants.
Okay.
Um, like a whole shirt ofKevlar.
Yeah.
Cause like, are you really gonnasit in front of a sewing machine
and be like, I only need thesleeves.
I don't need this whole coat.
Just give me the sleeves.
I don't think so, no.
But uh but it is important toremember what's the important
part, which is the sleeves.

(41:30):
Okay.
Um again, this is just an infodump.
I don't have any idea.
I had no plan going into this.
I'm just like, I'm gonna sharesome info.
Uh so I I created a table.
This is what Leah saw.
That was like when she was like,look at the we gotta talk about
that, what you're making.
Because I I have all thesematerials and I have a whole

(41:54):
bunch of things that I'm scoringthem on and a final score
situation.
Um, I'm gonna tell you how Iscored them, and I'm gonna tell
you what the materials are, andLeah, I want you to think about
which one of these materials,based on what I'm scoring, is
going to be the best, and whichone's going to be the worst.
This is a quiz.

SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
Best or worst materials.
Yeah.
This is a quiz.
Most biteable or least biteable.

SPEAKER_00 (42:18):
I'll tell you.
I'll tell you the things thatI'm scoring it on.
So we've got durability.

SPEAKER_01 (42:23):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (42:24):
We've got comfort.
Wow, you've really got intothis.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's important to becomfortable.
It is.
You're you're wearing this inthe apartment.
Pandemic time.
It could be hot, could be cold.

SPEAKER_01 (42:34):
I'm never wearing hard clothes again.

SPEAKER_00 (42:36):
Yeah.
We've got weight.
Every pound counts.
Yeah.
Um, temperature.
So like this is how much of yourheat it traps.
Okay.
Um, how well it breathes.
Flexibility, how well you canmove in it.
You know, like, for example,like if you have a leather coat,
sometimes it binds up.
It's not the most flexiblematerial.

(42:56):
Um, but if you're wearing along-sleeve cotton shirt, it's
very flexible.

SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
I feel like flexible and comfortable.

SPEAKER_00 (43:04):
They they both add up, but they don't always mean
the same thing.
Because you can be comfortablein a leather coat, but you don't
you doesn't mean that you'regoing to be flexible in a cut in
a leather coat.
Uh maintenance.
This is about how easy it is torepair tears or add patches if
you need to.
Um, water resistance is the lastone.

(43:25):
So uh does it soak up water ordoes it repel water?
Okay.
Um, so that's what I scored iton.

SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
And how many different fabrics are we
talking?

SPEAKER_00 (43:34):
I didn't count them.
Oh god.
Eight.

SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
Okay.
All right.
So eight fabrics in how manycategories?
Uh seven.

SPEAKER_00 (43:41):
Okay.
And we're doing a total scorefor each.
Well, you don't need to know thetotal score.
I'll tell you.
Okay.
Um, but I just want you to thisoff the top of your head, I'm
gonna I'm gonna give you thesematerials and I want you to
imagine which one would be theworst thing to wear in the
zombie apocalypse and which onewould be the wet best thing to
wear.

SPEAKER_01 (44:02):
Okay, and what's our climate?
Because that's gonna matterhere.

SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
I'm just gonna say spring.

SPEAKER_01 (44:07):
Spring wear.

SPEAKER_00 (44:08):
Yeah.
Uh um, I don't know.
70 degrees, like 60 to 70degrees.
Okay.
Sunshine, but sometimes rain.
Okay.
Um, because that can that's avariable.
There's definitely like we'lltalk about that later.

SPEAKER_03 (44:24):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (44:25):
There's some things that you would want to wear in
the winter, and there's somethings you would want to wear in
the summer.
It's gonna, it's gonna change.

SPEAKER_01 (44:31):
We're in that like middle ground.

SPEAKER_00 (44:32):
It's not too hot, it's not too cold.
Right.
It's just right.
Um, if you wear something heavy,it's gonna be warm.
If you wear something light,you'll be a little too cool.
Okay.
Okay.
Uh, so first up, cotton slashpolyester, maybe a polyester
blend, like a t-shirt.
I think we've all worn t-shirts.

SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
That's from a def from a defensive point of view,
useless.

SPEAKER_00 (44:52):
I think that's very easy to find out.
Hold your opinions.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
Because I'm I'm going through alist.
Okay.
You find it.
You told me to close my laptop.
You find the best and the worst.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
And then I'll go into moredetail.
Okay.
So call cotton polyester, silk,neoprene, latex.
Like a gimp suit, right?

SPEAKER_03 (45:13):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (45:14):
Yeah.
Uh, denim, leather, kevlarfirefighter coat.
Nice.
I had this was the whole reasonfor making the list.

SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:24):
Wool.
Nylon.
And nylon like um, like awindbreaker.
Okay.
There's a lot of different typesof nylon, and you could really
get let's just talk windbreakernylon.
You could wear a nylon coatthat's like a work coat and be
really thick.

SPEAKER_01 (45:40):
And you're asking what I think is the best and the
worst for a moderate temperatureday.

SPEAKER_03 (45:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:45):
Okay.
Um, from that list, I think theoption I would choose is uh I
don't know enough about Kevlarin terms of like how heavy it
is.
I mean, I know it's lightweightfor a canoe, so like maybe it's
lightweight.
I don't know if it traps heat ornot, but I would think that it
wouldn't because they use it forfirefighters.
So I'm gonna make an educatedguess that Kevlar is the best,

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but my instinct was to say denimbecause denim is thicker.

SPEAKER_00 (46:10):
Well, which one do you want to go with?

SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
That's I'm telling you those are my top two.
Well, which one's higher?
I'm gonna say kevlar becausethere's a reason firefighters
use it.
Okay.
It protects them.
It must make it must repel heatto some degree in some way
because they're going intoinsane circumstances.
Um yeah, kevlar with a closesecond of denim.
And then the worst one, I wish Icould see the list.

SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
Cotton, silk, neoprene, latex, denim, leather,
kevlar, wool, and nylon.

SPEAKER_01 (46:39):
I like neoprene, but I think it's uh gonna be too
warm.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna go withcotton.
I think that's a bad idea.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (46:47):
All right.
Um, so the best one all around,based on the things that I
scored it on, was denim.

SPEAKER_01 (46:56):
Okay.
So my instincts were right, andI just tried to get too fancy.

SPEAKER_00 (46:59):
Yeah.
3.6 stars is is what I because Iranked everything on a scale of
one to five star stars.
Okay.
Uh Denim got 3.6.
Kevlar actually just got athree.
Um the worst.

SPEAKER_01 (47:14):
Was Kevlar second to Denim?

SPEAKER_00 (47:17):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (47:17):
Wow.
Can I guess what second is?
Yeah.
I think it's gonna be somethinglike really shocking, like silk
or nylon.

SPEAKER_00 (47:24):
Nylon.
Okay.
And second to nylon is silk.
Yeah, yeah, which is weirdbecause you wouldn't think about
these things, but I'll explain.
Um, because I just did.
Look at me.
Really high in other in a lot ofareas.

SPEAKER_03 (47:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:36):
So cotton, um, actually it was a 3.1.
Oh.
Um, durability scored very low.
We know that about cotton.
Comfort, four stars.
Weight, five stars.
It's really lightweight.
Yeah.
Um until it gets wet, which isin your list, right?
Yeah.
Um, temperature, four stars.
Okay.
Because, you know, it's verybreathable.

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Uh, flexibility, five wholestars.
Maintenance, three.
You know, if you know how tosew, you can fix it.

SPEAKER_01 (48:04):
Pretty easy to patch cotton.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:06):
Yeah.
Water resistance, two.
You know, it's it's better thanit's better than nothing in the
rain, but it's gonna soak upthat rain.

SPEAKER_01 (48:13):
I think that was a generous two.
I would have given it a onebecause when cotton gets wet,
it's heavy.
It does.
Have you ever fallen out of acanoe in cotton clothes and then
tried to swim to safety?
You have?

SPEAKER_00 (48:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (48:24):
They get heavy.

SPEAKER_00 (48:25):
It's true.
Um, I didn't really I don'treally think about it, but yeah,
you're right.
Uh, silk got a 3.4.
Um, and I think these thesethings are important to remember
when we get on later when wetalk about like layering.

SPEAKER_03 (48:39):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (48:39):
So durability, one star.
It's not very durable silk.
You don't want to be calledcrawling over fences with silk.
Uh comfort, five stars.
You ever wear a silk shirt?
It's comfortable.
It's like being caressed by thesmoothest thing in the world.

SPEAKER_01 (48:55):
It is.
It's also really good attemperature regulation.
It's great in the cold and it'sgreat in the warm.
Yeah.
Which I don't understand how itdoes that.

SPEAKER_00 (49:01):
Temperature, five stars.
Also, weight, five stars.
Yeah.
Very lightweight, greattemperature.
Flexibility, also five stars.
Maintenance, two stars.
It's uh little, you know, it'sit it tears apart and you know,
you can stitch it back together,but it's just not the same.

SPEAKER_01 (49:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:19):
Yeah, it's gonna want to keep tearing.
Um, and water resistance, threestars.
A little bit more waterresistant than cotton.

SPEAKER_03 (49:26):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (49:27):
Uh, next in the list, neoprene.
We saw a movie where a guy wearit wore a neoprene suit.
Um, I forget what it was called.
Yeah, it was in Spain.

SPEAKER_01 (49:36):
Didn't he have an animal?

SPEAKER_00 (49:38):
Yeah, cat.
He was riding around with a on adirt bike with a cat wearing a
neoprene suit.

SPEAKER_01 (49:43):
Was that a zombie movie or was that just an
apocalypse movie?
No, there were zombies.
It was gonna bother me.
Oh, yeah, this was we just sofolks know, we went through a
whole zombie binge and then justdidn't talk about anybody, any
of it on the show.
Which we'll get back to these.

SPEAKER_00 (49:54):
We're gonna have to talk about it because it was a
good movie.

SPEAKER_01 (49:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:57):
Um, did I tell you what neoprene got?

SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (50:00):
Uh 3.1.

SPEAKER_01 (50:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (50:02):
Um durability, three.
So it's it's strong, but it'snot the strongest.
Uh comfort, two.
Not very comfortable.
We have not worn neoprene, so Idon't know.
Weight, three.
Temperature, two.
You you build up heat.
Yeah, you're gonna be hot.

SPEAKER_01 (50:18):
I mean, people swim in it in like subarctic
temperatures, so uh flexibility,four.

SPEAKER_00 (50:23):
Um, I mean, you're wearing like a like a Batman
suit.
Maintenance, three.
So about the same as as cotton.
I don't know.
I don't know why I scored itlike that.
I don't know how hard it wouldbe to maintain the Aprene.

SPEAKER_01 (50:36):
Um can't maybe Can you look up each of these
fabrics to make your dependenton it?

SPEAKER_00 (50:40):
But it was a long time ago.
Maybe you could put like arubber patch over it or
something.

SPEAKER_01 (50:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:44):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (50:45):
I feel like you could search it back together.

SPEAKER_00 (50:46):
Water resistance is where it shines, Leah.
Five stars for water resistance.
Uh latex was the lowest.
And you know, I'm I'm just gonnago go through and uh and give it
the strengths and weaknesses ofsome of these ones that aren't
so interesting.
So, like latex, where are yougonna find like a latex shirt
unless you're at a sex shop?

SPEAKER_01 (51:07):
Yeah, and I always I just assume it's thin and like
very biteable.

SPEAKER_00 (51:11):
Yeah.
Um durability, it's actually notso great.

SPEAKER_01 (51:15):
That also makes sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 (51:16):
Yeah, comfort, not so great.

SPEAKER_01 (51:18):
There's a reason people get pregnant with latex.
It's heavy, condoms, they break.

SPEAKER_00 (51:22):
It holds holds in your heat.
It's a kind of it's like ashittier version of neoprene, is
really what we're that's lesswide.

SPEAKER_01 (51:29):
So we need neoprene condoms, is what you're telling
me.

SPEAKER_00 (51:32):
Yeah.
Yeah, for like, you know, it'slike your deep sea diving.

unknown (51:38):
That works.

SPEAKER_00 (51:40):
Let's get to denim.
Denim's the really interestingone at 3.6 stars, our winner of
the whole thing.
I should have gone with my gut.
Durability, three.

SPEAKER_01 (51:50):
Is that why you were wearing your denim shirt today?

SPEAKER_00 (51:53):
No.
Oh, okay.
Um, no, I just wanted to beCanada's king for the day.

SPEAKER_01 (52:00):
You're always my king.

SPEAKER_00 (52:03):
Uh, so denim is very durable.
It's also very comfortable.
Four stars for comfort.
Um, it's pretty goodweight-wise.
It's not very heavy.
Obviously, it's not like wearinga silk shirt, but it's not like
wearing neoprene.
Um flexibility, you can bepretty flexible in denim.

SPEAKER_01 (52:21):
I think it like again, there's a way I I hate to
be like bringing in all thenuance here, but there's light
denim.
Like the shirt you're wearingtoday's a pretty light denim.
Then there's a denim jacket, andthen I'm not flexible in a denim
jacket.
I feel like I'd be protected ina denim jacket relatively from a
bite, but it would be I don'tthink it deserves four stars if
it's a thick denim jacket.

SPEAKER_00 (52:41):
I'm like, I'm thinking of this, this is just a
regular denim jacket, but we'realso not talking about like
stretchy denim.
This isn't like the the denimpants that are actually
sweatpants.
Um, this is probably somethingthat you buy at Walmart.
Okay.
Walmart denim.
Walmart denim.
I love all your caveats.
There's a lot of caveats withthis stuff because it all

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depends on like what it is,where it came from.

SPEAKER_01 (53:06):
This just shows you why we need different cultures
and different things fordifferent people in different
places because there's so muchof it's context dependent.

SPEAKER_00 (53:13):
Yeah.
It's not great for waterresistance, about the same as
cotton.

SPEAKER_01 (53:16):
Yeah.
The time where I fell into thecanoe or fell off fell into the
canoe, huh?
Fell out of the canoe was thefall.
And I was wearing a cottont-shirt and jeans, and my jeans
felt like anchors pulling me tothe bottom of the water.
Why was I not wearing a lifejacket?
Because I'm dumb.
Everyone, put on your lifejacket, even if you think you're

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really good at canoeing, becauseyou could be me and barely make
it to shore.

SPEAKER_00 (53:43):
Um, here's one of everyone's favorite, which is
leather.
You watch The Walking Dead,everyone's got like they always
go for like leather vests.
Like Michonne has like a leathercorset half the time.
Yeah.
Um, which is a corset?

SPEAKER_01 (53:56):
I thought it's more like a vest.

SPEAKER_00 (53:58):
It's a vest.
Like sometimes it's a vest.
Some like later seasons, it'sit's it's more in the shape of a
corset.

SPEAKER_01 (54:04):
I can't picture her wearing a corset.
This is a corset.
I'm looking, I'm opening mylaptop just to look up.
I'm gonna put Michonne corset,and hopefully it's not gonna get
weird.
Uh it's gonna get weird, Leah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:14):
Keep going while I'm looking this up.
So leather does really good indurability, four stars.
Um, like I said at thebeginning, I don't think zombies
are biting through leather.
Um, but I guess they could.
If they get a hold of you andthey start shaking their head
like a dog, they might theymight poke a few teeth through
your leather jacket.
It's a possibility, um, butunlikely.

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Comfort, I give it two stars.
Um, because uh leather jacketscan be comfortable, but they are
sometimes a bit restricting, abit difficult in the uh
flexibility area.
Yeah.
Um, also not very good attemperature regulation.
You you kind of trap heat insideof leather.

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Um, also very heavy.
So two stars for for weight.
Um, if it's if a leatherjacket's the only thing that
you're carrying that's heavy,that's fine.
Like you'll get away with it.
But if you got a full getup,like leather pants, leather
underwear, leather, leatherjacket, leather shirt, leather
gloves, you know, leather boots,um, it's gonna, it's gonna add

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up.
I forget what movie it was frommy childhood.
I want to say it was like it waslike uh George of the Jungle or
something, but the bad guys weretraipsing through the jungle in
full leather gear because theywere bad guys.

SPEAKER_01 (55:28):
And they even doing you're a bad guy.

SPEAKER_00 (55:30):
They even made a comment about it where the guys
should the one guy is making funof the other bad guy, and he's
like, he's like, you gotta hurryup, you're dragging along back
there.
And he's like, I'm in fullleather in the jungle.
Um water resistance.
I always thought that waterresistance would be better with

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leather, but you know, I haven'towned a leather jacket in a long
time.
But I remember the one that Ihad when I was in the army, and
I remember being out in theGeorgia rain and being like, How
am I wet?
This is leather, this is skinfrom an animal.
How's the skin?
How's the water getting throughthe animal's skin to me and
making my skin wet?

SPEAKER_01 (56:12):
Tanned leather.
I wonder if that changes it insome way.

SPEAKER_00 (56:15):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (56:16):
Just talk for a minute how weird it is that
you're putting on some.
I mean, it's it's basically uhsilence of the land.
Like you're putting on someoneelse's skin.
It's weird.

SPEAKER_00 (56:25):
It is weird.

SPEAKER_01 (56:25):
Yeah, yeah.
Humans do a lot of weird shit.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:28):
Um, maintenance, it gets five stars because if you
get a tear in your leatherjacket, duct tape.
Just duct tape it up.
It also makes it look cooler.
So uh I get I'll give it somecool points on top of that.

SPEAKER_01 (56:41):
Can I make a comment, but going back to
Michonne?

SPEAKER_00 (56:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:44):
So I don't think Michonne wears a full-on corset.
It's just that she wears verytight vests that have a sort of
look like that, but they're allvests, they all have zippers.
However, given your deep anddetailed description of the
parts of the body that should becovered, Michonne's arms are
always fucking bare.
And like, let's be real, she'sgot some badass arms.

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She works out.
I get why they want to show themoff.
But also now I'm gonna look atit, I'm never gonna look at it
again the same way.
I'm gonna be like, what are youdoing?

SPEAKER_00 (57:12):
Yeah.
But also, she is wielding asword.
So, like, I think the rule likethat's a variable.

SPEAKER_01 (57:18):
So she needs her arms maximum flexibility with
her arms.

SPEAKER_00 (57:21):
Yeah, but you know what?
Maybe a silk shirt underneaththat uh could go a long way.
Yeah.
I mean, fencers and uh and andum sword fighters of like the
Renaissance era would wear silkbecause they they wanted maximum
mobility.
That makes sense.
Also, they wanted to look coolas hell.
Here's the thing that uh startedthe whole conversation inside of

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my brain, which is the Kevlarfirefighter coat.
Um the firefighters told me thatyou can separate the inner liner
from the firefighter coat, andit's like wearing a denim
jacket.
Really?
However, I didn't want to do itthat way because I'm like, it's
gotta have drawbacks.
Um, we're leaving the liner in.
And I haven't I haven'tpersonally been able to inspect

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one, so I don't I can't verifywhether or not that's true.
And I feel like um adding thatdata without being able to um
see proof of it wasn't wasn'thelpful in this uh in this
situation.
If I'm writing it in a book, umI can't be I can't be guessing
about the the inner liner andhow comfortable a little Kevlar

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jacket is.

SPEAKER_01 (58:28):
That's fair.

SPEAKER_00 (58:29):
So durability, five whole stars.
Damn.
Kevlar is tough stuff.
Like it's it's one of thestrongest materials, the
strongest man-made materialsthat are ever made.

SPEAKER_01 (58:42):
That makes sense to me because Kevlar canoes are
really great for if you're doinglike rapid water canoeing, which
I'm not, because as foretold, ornot foretold, previously told,
I've already fallen out of acanoe on flat water.

SPEAKER_03 (58:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (58:56):
Although I blame the other person.
I think they were not good atcanoeing and they're the one who
toppled it.
Just yeah, it was the otherperson.
It's never me.

SPEAKER_00 (59:03):
Yeah, it's not you.
I blame everybody else.
Comfort, I gave it two starsagain, against the direct um
words of a firefighter.
I don't believe in my heart ofhearts that it's exactly like
wearing a denim jacket.

SPEAKER_01 (59:19):
Are you serious?
It's so you're heavy, man.
You're wait, you'renon-firefighter explaining to a
firefighter who told you it'sexactly like wearing a denim
jacket.

SPEAKER_00 (59:29):
Bring your jacket next time.
Let me put it on.

SPEAKER_01 (59:31):
We're you put it here first.
We're going back to Living Deadweekend 2026.
Yeah, 12th through the 14th.

SPEAKER_00 (59:37):
Prove prove me wrong.
But I gave it two stars.
Prove me wrong.

SPEAKER_01 (59:41):
Wow, I feel offended on behalf of all firefighters
that you took their livedexperience and you said, No, I'm
gonna go with my prejudice andcomplete lack of experience with
the Kevlar jacket.

SPEAKER_00 (59:54):
And this is why the next three things.
Okay.
Weight.
Okay.
The Kevlar is lightweight, butthe Kev but the firefighter coat
is very big and heavy with aliner in.
Okay.
Um temperature, it's great atkeeping heat out, but it's also
going to trap heat in.

(01:00:15):
So it's not going to breathelike denim or cotton or silk.
Uh, and then flexibility.
It's uh I gave it two stars forflexibility because it it's
going to be a lot harder to movein it.
And again, if I'm wrong aboutthis, bring your bring your
jacket.
I wanna I want to know.

(01:00:35):
Bring your jacket, bring a denimjacket.
We're doing we'll docomparisons.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:39):
Yeah, is anybody listening to this a firefighter
and like just pissed right now?
I'm so curious.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:43):
Or you believe this non firefighter, never even been
inside a burning building.
The audacity, Dan.
The audacity.
Yeah, but in in the areas ofmaintenance and and water
resistance, it gets really highmarks.
Again, maintenance, duct tape.
Water resistance, it's likealmost entirely.

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Entirely water resistant.
It's a raincoat.
Yeah.
I mean it literally it's again acanoe.
Yeah.
The only thing that scoredhigher in water resistance is
neoprene.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Um wool got 3.3 stars.
Wool is a very interestingmaterial, and I could talk about
wool quite a bit.

(01:01:25):
Um durability, low.
Like you can slash wool.
It can unravel if you're wearinga sweater.
Um it's not the best, butcomfort-wise, four stars.
Weight, pretty average, threestars.
Um, wool can be heavy.
Temperature, five stars.
Wool is very breathable.
It's super breathable.

(01:01:46):
So even though it holds yourtemperature in, it can also
breathe.
Um interesting.
Wool socks are highlyrecommended uh to people who are
very active and outdoor people,like hiking.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:57):
Um, whether it's cold weather or warm weather,
because it's either going tokeep you warm or it's going to
cool you down.
It'll do both because it's goingto wick moisture and temperature
away and uh and keep the heatin.
Um maintenance, three stars.
All you need is a coupleknitting needles to to uh stitch

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up some some uh frayed sweaters.
Granted, I can't do it, but I'dlike to.
I want to learn how to I want tolearn how to knit.
Let's knit.
You want to knit?
I'd love to learn how to knit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:32):
Yeah.
Because honestly, I've actuallywell I have a lot of sewing,
hand sewing projects I've got towork on this winter because I'm
trying to buy less clothes andfix things.
And I will say that this istotally off topic, but hand
sewing something is reallysoothing to my soul.
So I can imagine knitting wouldbe fun.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:48):
Um but also I don't want to use wool.
So water resistance is acomplicated topic for wool
because it will get wet veryeasily.
So I gave it two stars.
The thing though is that woolwill still insulate you when
you're wet.
So unlike cotton or other umman-made uh materials, that when

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they get wet, you cool down asas it's drying.
Wool wicks away that moistureand and it's capable of keeping
your warmth in even when you'resoaking wet.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:22):
That makes sense because like it helps sheep be
warm that it's originally for.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:27):
How weird is it that we as humans selectively bred an
animal that requires to be shornnow?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:33):
It's a very strange thing, strange choices humans
have made, but like clearly it'san incredible material.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:39):
Last on the list is nylon, 3.5 stars.
This is the number two, numbertwo of uh of everything on the
list.
Um nylon.
And by nylon I mean like awindbreaker.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:51):
Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:53):
Uh it's a thin nylon jacket.
Uh durability, two stars.
Um you can rip them prettyeasily.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:01):
And it's not going to protect you from a whole lot.
But comfort?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:05):
Ten.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:05):
Or sorry, five.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:07):
Ten.
Five.
We're in ten, we're in fiveshere.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:10):
I actually gave it three.
I don't know why I gave itthree, but I gave it three.
And I think mostly that'sbecause of like, I don't know.
I have I have memories of the90s when we all wore nylon.
Weight is where it reallyshines.
Five stars for weight.
Okay.
Temperature, four stars.
Um yeah, because it blocks thewind, but it's not heavy.

(01:04:30):
It's not the most breathable,but you're gonna be able to
regulate your temperature prettywell with it.
Okay.
Um, flexibility, five stars.
You know, you you wear uh anylon suit from the 90s with the
magenta and uh and sea foamgreen, uh, you're gonna be

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you're gonna be so limber.
You're basically gonna become asports star, is what I believed
in the 90s.
So if I wore some starter pantsum at in gym class, that I would
be better at running because mylegs would be covered by
windbreaker.
Maintenance, three stars.

(01:05:12):
Um, you know, again, you couldprobably just duct tape it up.
So maybe it deserves a higher,higher score.
Again, I made this list a longtime ago, and I was probably in
the throes of a very stressfulwork season.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:24):
Slash hyperfocus and had no idea that I was going to
turn to you and say Tell theworld about this.
Back up your answers.
Well, you're the one who choseto call out all firefighters, or
rather, this one firefighter.
There were two.
There were two firefighters.
Wasn't it a father-son combo?

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:41):
Yeah, well, there was a father-son combo, and then
there was another firefighter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:45):
Yeah, I wish we knew their names.
I know we knew them in June, butI think we interviewed them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:50):
I just don't think that we talked about firefighter
comes.
That's too bad.
Um, water resistance, fourstars.
Like it'll keep the rain offyou, but it will soak through
eventually.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:01):
Okay, so and the total is three and a half stars
for that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:05):
Um, I have a whole thing about pros and cons, but I
feel like we've just talkedabout that.
Um, let me know if you want toknow more pros and cons.
Uh the last thing, I think thisis the last thing.
Yeah.
Last thing that we've got islet's talk about scenarios.
Materials by scenario.
Um so let's say it's the summer.

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Like these things are gonnachange, change up what you're
going to find to be acceptableto wear in the apocalypse.
So it's the middle of thesummer, it's 81 to 89 degrees.
The high is 89, the low is 81.
You've been sweating all night.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:41):
I'm assuming I'm having no ethical quandaries
about the worms because we'reall using used shit, anyways, at
this point.
I mean silkworms, everybody, whoit's actually a painful process
for the silk to get extracted.
Fun facts.
But in the world of theapocalypse, uh, no more silks
being made in the world.
If I had if I found silk, Iwould consider it a very
precious resource and I wouldabsolutely be wearing silk in

(01:07:02):
the summertime.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:03):
And the silkworms have um have escaped their silk
farms and have they're livingthe good life now.
They are now becoming a problemin their local ecosystem.
Um yeah, so uh it's the summerand we're you know, we're
thinking layers now.
So you got your nylon outerlayer, you got your windbreaker.

(01:07:25):
Um and I disagree.
Your cotton polyester base.
I would wear silk for maximumbreathability.
Well, the silk's a good optiontoo, and that's I think that's
an acceptable um acceptablechoice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:38):
I would do the nylon outer layer with a silk base
because if it gets colder, thenylon's gonna block out the uh
wind.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:45):
And the nylon's so light that you could just throw
that in your backpack until youneed it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:49):
Um it's not gonna, you're not gonna have very good
arm protection here, but we'rejust talking about living in the
summer.
We've got a couple otherscenarios after where if if
you're expecting trouble, we'lltalk about that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:02):
Um, so these two combinations, it's gonna be
breathable and lightweight,quick drying.
The nylon offers the wind andwater resistance if you need it,
with a little tiny bit of extraprotection.
Like if you're layering cottonand nylon, that should stop a
bite.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:19):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on the bite
strength and like how longthey're yeah, if it's like a fly
by night bite, you're probablyfine.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:25):
But if you're yeah, if they're if they're shaking
their head like a dog, yeah, ifthey're chomping repeatedly,
they're gonna get through.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:30):
Yeah.
Which is why I think youroptional add-on here makes a lot
of sense.
Even in the summertime, I'mgonna accept sweaty forearms.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:38):
Yeah.
So my my add-on um is forearmbracers made of leather or
kevlar for bite protection,where it matters the most.
I I love the idea of uh leatherbracers, and you can actually
find these very commonly becauselike archers use leather
bracers.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:56):
Um, you know, anybody who has been to a wren
fair probably has some leatherbracers for from their outfit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:04):
This might be a terrible idea.
It's not on your list, but Iwould consider getting um mesh
and just wrapping a large amountof it on you, like just wrapping
it repeatedly until it's quitethick, but it's still very
breathing.
Like a nylon mesh?
Yeah, like a mesh, like a meshwindow.
Um what's the word I'm lookingfor?
Like a like window screen.

(01:09:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:25):
Oh, like a like a metal mesh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:27):
Um, that sounds uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:29):
So I was thinking like a nylon mesh y net though.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:32):
Like not a mesh that's so like a D I don't know.
There's gotta be like amidweight mesh out there.
I'm making shit up now, as youdid with this whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:41):
But that's I might try that.
I might try a mesh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:43):
I wouldn't want to put the window screen around
because I feel like that wouldcut cut me.
But like I do think that you'reon to something with like a like
a nylon mesh, like somethingthat like some basketball shorts
are made out of.
Yeah.
Um, something that they teachyou to do if you're in an
unexpected knife fight withsomebody is if you have like a
sweater or a coat, you wrap itaround your your your

(01:10:08):
non-attacking arm, yourdefensive arm, so that when they
come to stab at you, you candeflect the the knife with that
arm and reduce uh reduce thestabbing potential.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:19):
If I'm in an unexpected knife fight, I don't
know that I'm gonna have time tograb my jacket.
Grab your jacket, Leah.
Wrap it around my defensive.
Grab your jacket or get stabbed.
Um well, I'm gonna get stabbedwhile grabbing my jacket.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:34):
Yeah.
Um, we're assuming that youalready have your jacket, but
like this this is something thatI'm backing up your idea, Leah.
Thanks.
Of wrapping something aroundyour arm that's not.
Well, I'm not I'm thinkingproactive here, not not
unexpected knife fight.
Um, I only brought that upbecause I think that wrapping
some some type of cloth, even ifit was just cotton, like just

(01:10:56):
wrapping like a t-shirt aroundyour arm is gonna go a long way
to stopping uh a zombie frombiting.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:01):
I was thinking meshy just because it's a little bit
more breathable, but if you doenough of it, they're not gonna
get through like the holes won'tbe overlapping exactly.
So you're still gonna haveprotection, but you're gonna
have more breathability.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:12):
Um, I hate sweating.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:14):
So the leather bracers, if you have a leather
jacket and it's the summertimeand you're like, fuck this
leather jacket.
I hate this thing.
You can cut it up and makeleather bracers if uh if you
have that needle and thread andyou you don't mind putting some
work in it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:27):
I was gonna say, you're gonna need a really good
needle.
Yeah.
Um, and uh like a leather holepunch probably to make this
happen.
And like if ideally, like somesome like thin strips of leather
to sew it together.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:39):
Yeah.
You need that that tool in theSwiss Army knife that nobody
knows what it's for.
Is it a hole punch?
The leather all.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:45):
Oh.
See, I know all this stuff frommy horseback riding days.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:49):
Yeah.

unknown (01:11:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:49):
I'm pretty sure we have a leather punch somewhere
in the garage.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:53):
I have one in my multi-tool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:54):
Wow, we have too many now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:56):
Yeah, we have too many.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:58):
Um tell me about winter.
Winter time, best choice is awoo a wool mid layer and then
leather or neoprene.
I'd opt for leather um becauseyou look cool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:11):
I'd opt for neoprene because it's not wearing someone
else's skin, and I think that'sweird.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:15):
Yeah.
But also, I'm thinking in theapocalypse, we're we're all
wearing somebody else's skin inthe apocalypse.
True.
I'm just thinking if I have achoice.
Yeah.
I wouldn't want to do neoprenebecause it just really doesn't
breathe well.
I have a I actually have aneoprene jacket.
Like a leather breathes betterthan neoprene?
Yeah.
Neoprene really traps.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:33):
You might have said that earlier, but I my the info
dump is saturating my brain.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:37):
Um yeah, I have a neoprene jacket.
It's like a very thin neoprene,too.
It's not like it's not like adiving suit.
It's like very thin.
And I like it, but like it needsto be like the coldest winter
day.
Otherwise, I'm taking that thingoff because I'm like, I am
sweltering in the sink.
Mostly the sleeves.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:55):
I was gonna say, this is not gonna be warm enough
for me.
Like, if we're talking Vermontwinters, I'm pretty sure that my
winter jacket, which isextremely fluffy and very
insulated, would be hard to bitethrough.
That's true.
But I would probably, um,knowing everything that you've
just shared, I might pull outthe duct tape for that one to
make it a little bit more of athicker, um, less biteable

(01:13:16):
material.
Because I'm pretty sure theouter part is nylon, so that's
not that great.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:20):
So uh wool insulates when wet.
It's it's a really great thingto be wearing in the wintertime
if you have if you have ifyou're gonna be out in the
elements.
And the uh leather offers a lotof bite protection.
Um, whereas neoprene adds a lotof weatherproofing.
So like if if you're expectingto be really wet in the
wintertime, like if if you're inan area that instead of instead

(01:13:42):
of snowfall, you get like reallywet snow or rain, then maybe
neoprene is a better option foryou.
Um optional add-on, kevlarpatches at high-risk bite zones,
forearms and thighs.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:54):
I feel like these aren't optional add-ons based on
the long discussion we had aboutodds of places where you're
gonna get bit.
I feel like what I'm hearing, orthe conclusion I'm coming from
this episode coming to is ifyou're out and about in the
zombie apocalypse, just fuckingwear uh forearm guards, just do
it.
Yeah, just wear them.

(01:14:14):
Make it it's a part of youroutfit now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:16):
It's it's just it that's just how you live now.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:20):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
But these are some options toweigh.
Like, you know, what what do youwant?
What do you want on yoursleeves?
You want Kevlar sleeves?
You want leather sleeves?
Actually, I'd go for Kevlar.
Sew some Kevlar patches intoyour shirt.
I wonder how easy it is to findKevlar.
Well, if you find a fireman'sjacket.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:39):
True.
Yeah.
Go to a fire station, is whatyou're saying.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:41):
Yeah.
But also, I feel like in thewinter that that fireman's coat
might be the best thing becauseit'll be really warm.
That's true.
And wear a wool sweaterunderneath.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:51):
It seems counterintuitive to me that
intuitive to me that afirefighter's jacket would be
really warm because I feel likeit should be repelling heat.
But I guess if it's repellingheat, it's maintaining heat on
the inside.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:03):
But also think of where firefighters have to
perform their jobs.
They have to be in all elements,including bitter cold while
operating fire hoses.
Yeah.
You know, they have to they haveto be spraying water even if
it's 20 degrees below zero.
Um, but they also have to be outin the hot sun uh when there's
an accident on the road orthere's a fire.

(01:15:25):
Um, so they got to do it all.
So here's some situationalspecific things.
And this is like regardless oftime of year.
So like you'd have to modifybased on whether it's winter or
summer, or it's raining, or it'ssnowing, or you're in the
goddamn mud, or your house is onfire.
You know, you're like to adjustfor these things, but like

(01:15:46):
scavenging.
So like you need mobility andstealth.
Um, abrasion resistance matterssome because you might be
crawling over fences or climbingthrough broken windows.
Um, but and you're gonna needthat more than like the full
bite protection.
Like you might run into azombie, you likely will, and it
you might need to avoid gettingbitten, but it's more about

(01:16:10):
being quiet and beinglightweight and being able to
get in and out of places quicklyand quietly.
So uh denim and a nylon outerlayer and gloves.
That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:21):
Gloves are really important for scavenging.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:23):
Yeah, I think gloves are important in all of these
cases.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:26):
Yeah, you know what else is important?
A tool belt.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:28):
Yeah.
You want to want to talk abouttool belts?
Another time.
Tool belts of the apocalypse.
Yeah, everybody should have atool belt.
Um, additional add-on,lightweight keflar sleeves or
arm guards.
Again, the the kev the Keflarsleeves.
Um, but let's say you expect tobe in combat.
Like maybe your your your placeis surrounded.

(01:16:49):
You need to fight your way out.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:51):
Or I'm going to Negan's house.
Going to Neegan's house.
In season what?
What season are we in?
Season seven.
No, this is like the preemptiveattack that Rick did.
I'm going there.
I know I'm about to murder somepeople.
Oh they might wake up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:04):
Yeah, season seven.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:05):
Okay.
Yeah.
This is what I'm going to wear.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:08):
Tell us.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:09):
Um, Kevlar jacket, the firefighter jacket.
Uh, and neoprene or denim.
I feel like the denim might be abit overkill because the kevalar
is fine.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:21):
I'm gonna I'm gonna change that up and I'm gonna
say, I'm gonna say underneathyour Kevlar jacket, wear silk.

unknown (01:17:28):
Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:29):
Get that extra mobility, get that good feeling
on your skin.
Yeah.
Yeah, you got all the biteprotection of the Kevlar jacket.
You got the water resistance ofthe Kevlar jacket.
I don't know why I put neoprenehere or denim.
Those are terrible choices.
Don't stack like that.
You're gonna be hotter thanhell.
Past Dan was wrong.
But you know, you add a littlebit of that mobility with the

(01:17:50):
with the silk.
You're gonna be sliding aroundinside of that coat.
That coat that wants to resistyour movements.
You're gonna you're gonna addsome extra layer of some
movement in there.
And also it's it's gonna helphelp direct that that heat out
of your sleeves, out of the neckhole.
You're gonna be doing good withuh with a little bit of silk and

(01:18:10):
a little bit of Kevlar.
Um, and you know, you're gonnawanna you're gonna wanna go with
that Kevlar because you needthat high, high bite protection.
Um, you're gonna be dealing withclose encounters, um, add-ons,
tactical gloves, shin guards,helmet.
Put on a motorcycle helmet.

(01:18:30):
They won't get your face througha motorcycle helmet.
In fact, I feel like you'd be sowell protected that you might
you might have to deal with thehorrifying reality of getting
mobbed by a horde and justhaving them dogpile on top of
you while they try to bitethrough your Kevlar and your
motorcycle helmet and beinglike, I'm stuck here now at the
bottom of this rotting fleshpile that wants to eat me.

(01:18:53):
Wow, that's disgusting.
Yeah.
Um, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:56):
There was my there's my info dump.
Uh this is where you insert asound effect that sounds like a
dump.
Quack.
Plop.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:07):
I just did a quack.
A plop ellipse.
I like I like um uh I like soundeffects that don't match.
Uh but yeah, if you're everwondering why this book is
taking so long, it's because I'mmaking fucking tables about
Kevlar jackets.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:25):
This is what happens.
Uh what also happens is Dan getson what is that 3D animation
thing you use?
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:32):
I start doing some 3D, 3D arts.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:35):
Yeah, you'd be like, oh, I need to, I really need to
know exactly what this characterlooks like.
So I have to build them fromscratch in a 3D animation thing
that takes me three days tofinish.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:46):
Yeah, it does sometimes.
A D H D.
Yeah, but I like it.
It's fun.
I like it.
No, I think it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 (01:19:53):
You should do it's fun.
I just think it's like this iswhy these things take time.
Yeah, it's not a linear process.
And uh for those of you who arelike, why isn't out yet?
It will be.
It will be when it's ready.
Yeah, and I'm saying that mostlyto myself because I'm over here
like, Dan, I want to know whathappens.
Yeah, I know enough it's to bereally good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:11):
It's the off season.
I got I got nothing but time towrite.
Yeah.
Well, I just need to do it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:16):
You need to make it a priority.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:17):
Yeah, yeah.
I need to have things not be sourgent all the time.
It feels like everything's beenurgent, like, do it now.
I mean, it's it's it's it kindof this kind of happens at the
beginning, the off season isthat there's just so many things
to do right away.

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:33):
Better like catch up from being unable to do anything
for so many months for eightmonths of the year.
I'm curious.
This is so not zombie related,but maybe it is.
You all have any organizationaltips for us?
What does one do when theybecome feral?
How do we create rigor anddiscipline back in our lives as
two people with severe ADHD?
Um it's rough out here.

(01:20:53):
We're not getting out of bedtill 9 a.m.
Sometimes later.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:56):
That's pretty I was gonna say that's that's very
generous of you, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:03):
It's been great then.
It has been wonderful.
Um, and uh, you know, hopefullyI'll get a job soon and I can
look back at this time fondly.
Well, everybody, there you haveit.
That's our zombie bite sleeveepisode.
Poopalypse is gonna come one ofthese days.
Poop optical pops.
Uh, I think probably our nextepisode is going to be about
Queens of the Dead.
Yeah.
Or maybe the AI apocalypse.

(01:21:25):
We'll see.
Yeah.
Yeah, we got a couple ofoptions.
Um, we are hoping to have onemore author interview.
We're just waiting to confirmthat before we release it out
into the world.
But that could be coming.
And then we're gonna take acouple of weeks of a break since
it's the holiday season and dosome other fun things.
But in January and beyond, we'vealready got a full slate of
authors all the way throughMarch right now.

(01:21:45):
So it's gonna be a really greatfirst quarter of 2026.

SPEAKER_00 (01:21:49):
Yeah, it's gonna be great.
Thanks everybody for listeningto us, the Zombie Book Club.
Uh, if you want to support us,you can leave a rating or a
review.
Five stars, please.
Unlike many of these things thatI ranked our materials as.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:05):
And also, I feel like we've succeeded because one
person on Apple gave us a onestar, but that doesn't mean I
want more.
Yeah, let's not do that again.

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Maybe you get a book to pitch tous.
You could send us an elevatorpitch.

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We'll we'll be doing that beforethe end of the year.
Uh, but we would love some more.

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(01:22:53):
Somebody, somebody's hacking myaccount.
Hackers.
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Uh, I'll update all those thingslater when I get around to it.
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(01:23:14):
discord.
That's Ollie's Discord, andwe're there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:16):
Yeah, Ollie, who's doing Maze, stake and not
stirred Kickstarter, go check itout.
Go throw five bucks their way.
At least you could probably domore.
But you know, five is a goodstart.
It gets you a it gets you thePDF when it's done.
And also, if you go to theDiscord and you go to the not
zombie art channel, you will seeDan incognito hiding behind some

(01:23:37):
of my art at my most recent artfair.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so on second thought, itshould have been in the art.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:42):
And it is really hilarious because Brian of
Zompocalypse did like a zoom in.
It's like, why is Dan hiding inthe back of this with their
sunglasses on and their hoodie,their black hoodie over there?
It's really bright in there.
Yeah, it's a it's a greatmoment.
I did not want to be perceived.
Also, we're talking about umwhether or not you would stay in
the winter in a zombieapocalypse or you would try and

(01:24:05):
move south.
So, you know, some good chatshappening in there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:07):
Yeah, maybe we should talk about that.
But uh, all the links are in thedescription.
You can find them.
Um, even if you're Ollie andrefuse to look at the
description.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:18):
Uh the end is nigh.
Baby, bye bye, bye.
Bye bye bye.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:22):
Don't die.
We love y'all.
Bye bye.
Bye.

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