February 14, 2025 • 49 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the podcast.
Today, I'm joined by GalSassoon, an authored astrologer
with over two decades ofexperience teaching mysticism
around the world.
We dive into the hidden truthsof astrology, the science behind
healing and how ancestralwisdom reveals life's patterns.
Gal also shares how hediscovered family constellations
and why astrology holds moretruth than most people realize.
(00:20):
If you've ever questioned thedeeper forces at play in your
life, this episode's for you.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I didn't expect that, but let me recover.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yes, how was that?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
it was pretty intense .
And uh, it's so funny because II got to family constellation a
little bit late in life, Iguess, like maybe two years ago,
and it was always a mystery forme why I can't have wine, why I
drink red wine.
I fall asleep.
If I drink white wine, I can'tdo charts, the why I drink red
wine, I fall asleep.
If I drink white wine, I can'tdo charts the day after because
(01:07):
I get a headache.
And the mystery was even morestrong because my sister I'm
very close to him and she's inIsrael she refuses to have
alcohol in the house If there isalcohol in the house, because
her son is a great guy.
I'm really good friends withhim, he's a DJ, so he buys
really good tequila, she puts itin the fridge behind everything
in like a box that's kind oflocked, almost like in jail, and
(01:29):
we all laugh about it.
But where it came from?
And then one day we had aconversation with our
grandmother before she died.
She's from Poland and Ukraine.
Her mother and father had a pub, tur of Tarvin in Ukraine, and
they used to put water in thewine because there was a rule
that you can't sell wine to thepeasants because they don't get
up to work.
So they blamed all theinnkeeper and they forced them
(01:52):
to stop doing it.
But the peasants want to drink,so they had to put wine and
water mix it together.
But it's kind of cheating.
And then I thought, oh my God,that's our ancestral karma with
wine just goes down, we'rediluting it with water.
And that's when it clicked tome that, yes, there is this
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ancestral karma that runsthrough our DNA, through our
past lifetimes.
I think they're very connectedand that was my mission to see
how it is coming across incharts, which is very, very
interesting, because my feelingis that the family constellation
of your it's almost like Godsits with you before you're born
and you create this familyconstellation.
The sun is the father, the moonis the mother, your Mercury is
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your brothers and relatives, andyou literally sit there with
God, creating what you do in alot of sessions, one-on-one,
with the little sticks, and Ifigured that each one of us does
that before we are born, withGod, with the entity, with our
ancestors, really deciding ourchart according to our DNA and
past lifetime, which I reallybelieve are all connected.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, that's a really interesting way to look at it.
I never looked at it beforefrom that perspective, so I
think that's such a cool way tolook at things and a lot of
people in this work.
We all say that we pick ourparents before we got here and
it's like the lessons that wehave to learn in order to ascend
(03:23):
, know, get the next level,whatever you want to call, you
know that, you know.
Version of the simulation,right?
So I really agree.
Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's aninteresting.
I really like how you, how youput that.
So tell me a little bit aboutyou know, I know you do some
ancestral charts and and withastrology, I'm I'm going to give
(03:45):
you, I'm going to give you, I'mgoing to confess something I'm
a one trick pony.
I know about familyconstellations, but I don't know
much about anything else, right?
So I know I was born in Juneand I know I'm a Gemini, that's
pretty much it.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's one of the reasons why you're communicating
right now.
Gemini is all about being abridge builder, a connector.
So in your case, you'rebridging the people to their
families.
They somehow.
Why don't they do it themselves?
Well, they need a mediator,they need a connector.
You're ruled by Mercury, forexample, which is the messenger
of the gods.
In your case, you're deliveringmessages with the ancestors,
(04:21):
which in some Japanese cultures,are the gods.
You know, like the concept ofShinto.
For me, I think that I came tounderstand more family
constellation because ofnecessity, because I really
looked a lot into our family Inthat conversation with my
grandmother.
(04:41):
I think it was very monumental,because I was there with my
sister and I also work a lotwith names.
I'm very fascinated with thenames that run in the family,
because names we know from theBible, we know from in Near East
and from anthropology, namescarry a lot of meaning.
There's always meaning to yourname and, oh no, I'm named after
(05:02):
my grandmother.
Of course, you're named afteryour grandmother because there
is a story, a name that passesdown, the generation that needs
to be purified, purged.
The same with genetics, thesame with traits.
So we're sitting there.
My sister's name is Miri, whichis basically Maria, miriam, and
my grandmother was telling meyeah, you're named after my own
mother, who was named Maria, andshe was not a very nice person.
(05:26):
Our grandmother is telling usabout her mother.
She never touched us.
Our Ukrainian maid hugged meand touched me.
My mother thought that parentsshould not touch their kids, so
she never touched us.
Think about it growing up.
So when we go out, my sister issaying, oh my God, it's such a
terrible thing.
I'm named after this evil womanwho never touched her children.
(05:46):
And I said, wait, wait, wait.
Maria is the mother of God.
It's considered to be elevatedwater in Hebrew.
You have purified that ideabecause you are an amazing
mother.
My sister is an amazing mother.
She's a professor and madeamazing kids.
My best friends are her kids.
You took that name, maria,maria, and you purified it.
(06:07):
Who knows, maybe you're evenMaria from a past lifetime,
maybe you were her and you gotanother chance.
You know to work with thatgenetic material and to fix it.
And not only you're much betterthan our mother, and your
daughter is even an amazingmother herself.
You really fixed it, and now wedon't have to name after
anybody Maria's anymore.
We've done with it.
(06:27):
So I think that that's alsosomething for people to look
into.
Signs that repeat.
You know how you guys do thefamily tree, which is amazing.
You just did it in themeditation.
What if you add the signs, justthe signs?
Oh, wow, okay, each one of them.
And what if you add the signs,just the signs of each one of
them, and try to see if there isa sign that is repetitive Maybe
(06:47):
there's an Aries energyrepetitive and then you just
Google you don't have to be anastrologer find out what is the
characteristic of Aries.
Maybe the family is reallytrying to work with the
archetype of Aries, which thekeyword is, for example, I am
identity.
Maybe it's Taurus, which has todo with money.
Maybe it's Taurus which has todo with money.
Maybe it's Gemini, which has todo with communication.
And once you figure out that,you can see from both sides of
(07:08):
your family what signs are more,let's say, missing, which is
okay.
Why is that sign missing?
We're not dealing withsomething, or what is signed
repeats, and that's somearchetype that we need to work
with.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, and that explains so much about, you know
, now I'm I'm seeing it from acompletely new perspective
because, um, you know, it canalmost give the subculture of
the, of the family, right.
It's like if it's heavily oneside influence or the other side
influence.
And you know, there there issomething that people that are
like, oh, I'm hardheaded, I'm aTaurus or whatever I don't even
(07:42):
know if that's a thing, but youknow, I know from the little
that I've that, I've that I'veread, is that I was like, oh,
I'm hardheaded.
And you know, they see, theGemini thing says like, yeah,
that's a lot like my personality.
My personality is very, youknow, communication, I like to
connect people, I'm a connector,I'm a very diplomatic room and
I'll talk to everybody, you know, and it just really talks about
(08:04):
how, depending on your you knowbirth date, what type of things
you take into your familysystem, and I've always looked
at all of these modalities asjust an interpretation of a
phenomenon that happens inpeople and social systems, right
Do?
you see, it from a from asimilar perspective, because
sometimes it can take like suchmystic and woo-woo, like stuff
(08:27):
that you're like it.
Just this is like aninterpretation of a technology
that already exists of courseI'm very practical.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
People ask me what astrology book are you reading
now?
And I'm saying a news, becauseif I really want to understand
astrology, I have to look atwhat's happening as above, so
below, below, how the planet'sposition is correlating to
stories that's happening now.
The news of today is basicallythe history of tomorrow, so
definitely that's part of it.
(08:53):
And in astrology we look atfamilies as cancer.
The archetype of cancer isfamilies.
I mean, there's a reason whythe great psychologist Jung was
an astrologer and he broughtfrom astrology synchronicities.
He brought from astrology thearchetypes.
And cancer in astrology isfamily, of course, but it's at
(09:14):
the bottom of your chart.
It's called the foundation ofyour chart.
So if you look at the roundchart, the bottom of your chart
is your family, it's your roots.
Everything comes from there andcancer is defined as anything
you cannot pick up.
Astrology is fascinating.
I think astrology is aphilosophy.
What does that mean?
You can't pick up your homeOkay, it's cancer.
You can't pick up land?
(09:35):
Okay, that's cancer.
You can pick up the mic?
Okay, that's Taurus, becauseyou can pick it up.
It's a thing that you can pickup.
And for me, I took it one levelhigher because just before you
guys, I did a chart here inIstanbul and she complained
about sisters.
I said, okay, wait, family isimmovable objects.
You cannot move your brother,your sister, your mother, that's
(09:59):
it.
You have those genes, you havethis DNA.
You cannot move them.
You can work within the range,you cannot talk to her, but she
can never stop being yourbrother or sister.
People who say I disown my sonthat's nonsense.
You can't disown your son.
That's ridiculous.
I'm not talking aboutemotionally, but even logically.
Your genes are there with him.
(10:20):
Everywhere he goes, you're withhim.
You guys know it.
That's what we just did, themeditation.
Everywhere you go, my ancestorsare there hanging out.
So that's so beautiful aboutfamily constellation and why I
found it so powerful to workwith astrology because it deals
with these immovable issues.
You can divorce your wife Okay,that's Libra.
Libra is a relationship but youcannot divorce your son.
(10:40):
You cannot divorce your father.
You cannot divorce yourgrandparents Okay, that's Libra.
Libra is a relationship.
But, you cannot divorce your son, you cannot divorce your father
, you cannot divorce yourgrandparents.
That's it.
You're stuck with them.
It's immovable, and the onlything that's left is to heal it,
which is precisely familyconstellation.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, and even when you have kids with your spouse
and even if you divorce, you'restill energetically tied to them
, in some way connected.
And even if you spent a lot oftime with somebody, there's an
exchange that happens and theytake up.
You know they, they hold apiece of your soul and you hold
a piece of their soul andthere's when there's a strong
relationship, that definitelyhappens.
So, yeah, I definitely see thecorrelation between between the
(11:21):
two worlds.
So how did you?
How did you get into this?
Like, what was the where?
Is this something that you wereinterested in since you were
born, or is this something thatyou, as you kind of matured, got
into this?
How did that happen?
What was that journey like?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
the.
The astrology was kind of funnybecause I studied psychology
okay and then I was supposed todo my master's and I was
supposed to get the like arecommendation from this
professor that knew me very well, because it was very hard to
get to know professorspersonally because I have the
scores.
I had everything I needed.
I just needed his letter ofrecommendation.
And when I came to get it, verysure of myself, he said I'm not
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going to give it to you and I'mgoing to make sure you're not
going to get into the master'sdegree because you're going to
be a problem to the system.
I said what do you mean?
He said either you're going toconstantly fight with us,
because he kind of knew me, orwe're going to destroy your
creativity.
And at that time I hated him,even though he was a genius.
I mean, he was absolutely right, to be honest.
(12:19):
I got home so completelydepressed and thought, oh my God
, my whole world of being apsychotherapist was destroyed.
And then I get a phone call,like it always happens, and it's
my cancer friend, funny enough,and he's a surfer and he says
hey, we're going to go to Mexicoto surf.
Are you coming?
I said what are you talkingabout coming?
I just heard that it's terriblenews.
I'm not going to be gettinginto my master's blah blah.
And then in my head we talkedabout name.
I said my name Gal in Hebrewmeans a wave.
(12:41):
This guy is suddenly out of theblue asking me to go to Mexico
to learn how to surf, basicallyto learn how to deal with myself
, and I was blocked there.
Why am I so stubborn?
And I said, okay, I'm coming.
And I went to Mexico.
After two weeks of surfing Iwent to Guadalajara expecting to
fly back, and crazysynchronicities happen.
(13:01):
It's too long to explain, butthe next thing I know I'm in
Guadalajara.
I don't speak Spanish, but Iwas adopted by a family there.
I had a rock band and theguitar player of the rock band
brought me to astrology.
And the next thing, you know,I'm studying astrology in
Spanish, even though I don'ttarot.
And then I decided it's time togo to Los Angeles and I had a
(13:26):
friend there from the army.
So I went there and one thingled to the other published one
book, second book.
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So you know, I'm alwaysfascinated by this concept is
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that, you know, you see thingsrepeat themselves in different
things, right, you see?
patterns in many of the greatreligions.
You see these patterns rightand Family Constellations in so
many ways is about patternrecognition and I think
astrology in some way createsthat archetype, those archetypes
right that they do create.
You know how you see somebodyand it's like they have these
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things and it's like, is it thecosmos having effect on people
when they where they're born andhow they exit the the world and
do?
Do we need these 12 you knowdifferent archetypes right to be
able to look at things?
The 12 apostles, you know, like, why these patterns all emerge
in some, in some way.
So what are some of thesynchronicities and stuff that
you've seen that emerge fromthis, from this framework?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
you know, I think that astrology is all about the
connection between as above sobelow.
Whatever is happening up thereis happening also below here.
Whatever is happening in yourfamily constellation is also
happening inside of you.
That's as above so below, aswithin, so without, it's the
same thing.
So, for example, you have themoon.
The moon comes every 29 daysback to where she was before
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starting something new.
So, for example, in all mybooks every year I publish a
book on the year ahead I givethe list of the new moon so
people can use that instead ofbeing used by it and saying use
the moon in order to startsomething new every month and
work on yourself.
So, instead of my philosophywith, astrology is not like
what's going to happen you knowI'm going to read about my son
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it's like no, this is happening,what do you want to do about it
?
That's what I always tellpeople.
Astrology is not about what'sgoing to happen in the future.
Astrology traces the patternsand orbits of the planets as
they were in the past, gettingthe understanding of what they
mean to keep you, like a map toknow where you are, like Google
map, where you are now and whatyou want to do is up to you.
(15:41):
So my feeling in astrology isthat it's the connection or the
balance between free will andfate.
Fate is your chart.
You can't change your chart.
You were born at a certain timeat a certain place, that's it.
Same thing with your parents.
You can't change your parents,that's it.
But how is going to be yourrelationship?
Well, that's up to you.
But she's very nasty to me.
(16:02):
Okay, that's up to you, butshe's very nasty to me.
Okay, go to therapy, ask her togo to therapy, change your
attitude, accept her andeventually the relationship
could improve, you know.
So the same thing with theplanets.
The planets are like the DNAyou can't change it.
But your reaction to life, howyou accept life, how you work
with your range of DNA, yourrange with the genes, is
basically how you can work withthe planet.
(16:23):
The best example, because peoplealways battle with it if my
chart is written a certain way,it's like the Sufi say it's
maktub, it's written.
It's an Arabic maktub, it'swritten.
That's it, it's written.
No, you still have a way toread it.
Think about it.
You have Shakespeare, Hamlet.
We all know that.
It's destined, that Hamlet iscertainly.
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I think it's the third act willstop and say to be or not to be.
We wait for it.
But what would be thedifference between somebody who
gets an Oscar about Hamlet orsomebody who's booed out of the
stage?
It's the same script.
It's written, it's the same DNA.
The choices he makes, how hedeclares, how he talks about it.
That's going to make thedifference.
And that's precisely even whatFamily Constellation says.
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You are stuck with the script ofyour family, but you can read
it differently, you can act itdifferently.
I mean, you guys are literallydirectors.
You put your mother in oneplace, you put your father in
another place.
And, by the way, I found itvery interesting that it
sometimes correlates to wherethe sun and the moon is in the
chart, even the way they faceeach other, or if the sun and
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the moon are squaring, meaningthat they're not getting along.
It's like the father and motherare not looking at each other.
It's fascinating to see it,because that's why I think that
it's not.
He didn't name it familyconstellation for no reason.
I mean it's a constellation.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that.
The fact is, like you know, Iwas having a we were doing a
family constellation last weekand we were talking about where
the name constellations camefrom and it's you know, we are
celestial beings, right, and wecan look at ourselves as
celestial beings, and that weare gravitational forces, have
effect on different members ofour family, right, that we're
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all circling each other in someway and that may be a closer
orbit or farther away and theremay be some collisions in that.
And to really understand it,that we have gravitational pulls
in our system and that we canadapt to that.
And I really liked how you putit.
You know, it's like the scriptis the same, it's how you
interpret it, right, and thathappens in scripture, right, in
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biblical texts or in religioustexts.
It happens like how you, howyou interpret it and you know
the information that's, that'sseveral layers below, and you
can read the same book over andover and over again, and then it
gets deeper and then deeper andthen deeper.
And the same thing I think withwith this modality as well, as
like you can interpret so muchinformation from this, and we're
all uncovering thesesubconscious patterns, right,
(18:47):
and you know I, I love the whatyou said about fate.
You know it's like you, um,like leaving it up to fate is a
victim position right, and beinglike how you can adjust, how
can you adapt to fate, is a is avictor position right, that you
can say precisely I can't move,I can't change the wind, but I
can adjust my sails yeah, yeah,and that's I mean, that's the
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beauty of it.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
We get free will within the context of fate and
instead of arguing is it onlyfate, is it only free will, I
mean, why argue so much it?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
you know, it's like the back of the newspaper you
know and I don't mean tominimize it at all, but you know
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the horoscope, like what's yourhoroscope for this month?
It's, you know the blurb andit's just like very vague.
But somebody that wants to takethis a little bit more serious
to, like you said, I love theway how you look at it is that
it's like a map of kind of whatthe future terrain is going to
look like, right, it's like soyou can adjust and you can be
like I'm going to be reallyrisky this quarter coming up, or
(20:04):
I'm going to take it easy, oryou know you can adjust your
risk tolerance, right.
So somebody that's getting intothis, what would you recommend
that to be?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, I don't vibe so much with the columns because I
think they're very superficialand I think they don't work so
much.
And I actually know a few ofthe people that write to major
newspapers, and some of them areclients of mine and they don't
even do so much astrology,they're just very good at
writing, you know.
So I don't think that thatworks so much.
(20:34):
Um, what I do, for example,with my astrology books every
year and that's why they're verythick is that I first part I
try to explain certain thingsabout astrologies that I
discover, even that I thinkabout during the year.
So one way of looking at it isgetting books that talk about
astrology in general.
(20:55):
One book that I reallyrecommend, especially to
husbands of wives that likeastrology and don't understand
what is she doing with that, isFated Skies Fated.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Skies, fated Skies, okay yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's a historian in Columbia University that says
you know, I'm not going to tellif astrology works or not, I'm
just as a historian, look atwhat, historically, astrologers
have said and what happenedafter that.
Because you can do that, youknow.
Yeah, historically, astrologershave said and what happened
after that.
Because you can do that, youknow.
Yeah.
For example, he talks about thebritish merlin.
I mean, merlin was british, Idon't know why he called him the
british merlin.
Um william lilly, who's in 19,13 years before the great fire
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in london that was 1666,predicted that 80 of london
would be burned.
He said precisely where.
When the fire did happen, 13years later, they arrested him
because they thought there's noway he's good and known unless
he started it.
And they kept him in jail untilthey found out that it was some
cook who left it in an atticthe stove that burned London.
And he then gives another story, which is really funny, about
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how, in the 12th century, thegreat astrologers I think from
Baghdad said that there's goingto be a crazy storm starting
from Mongolia, reaching all theway to Vienna.
He specifically said the dateof time when it's going to
happen.
Nothing happened and everybodywas really upset.
Either astrology works or thisastrologer lost it.
Then it turned out to be thatGenghis Khan was born at that
time in that place, and hisgrandson went all the way to
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Vienna.
A storm of dust.
You know what I mean.
So I find it fascinatingbecause I love history and I
don't think you can studyhistory without I mean astrology
without loving history.
And you see it a lot of time Itell people listen, for example,
there was a client that justreached out to me a few weeks
ago from the fires in LA and shesays I can't believe it, my
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house was lost and you told methat I should look for a new
house.
I wish I knew that.
I mean I couldn't tell that herhouse would burn.
But in her case Jupiter movedinto the house of home.
I said, listen, it's going tobe a good time to buy another
property someplace else.
I didn't tell her it's going tobe burned, because sometimes
life the one is way morecreative than any astrologer.
(22:58):
And when people ask me ifastrology is a science, I said
no, because we cannot prove itscientifically.
But it's a poem, it's a poetry,basically, and poetry can be
interpreted, like you said, witha revelation, in many different
ways, different layers, but itis a poetic study.
So I think that working withastrology nowadays you have a
(23:19):
lot of these apps that you candownload and it gives you
interpretation.
So working with that I don'tthink you can do it through the
columns.
You know and I happen to becoming to Miami to teach a class
on the context of history ofthe past, where people
understand that it's not aboutprediction.
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For example, in my book of 2020, I said listen, guys, the
patterns that we have in 2020are similar to 1983, 84, where
there was a recession and theAIDS pandemic happened, and I
even said that WHO was created.
I didn't know that there'sgoing to be another pandemic,
but I said this is a patternthat repeats itself, so we're
going to have some kind of.
I didn't know that there'sgoing to be another pandemic,
but I said this is a patternthat repeats itself, so we're
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going to have some kind of.
I didn't know that people aregoing to be locked up in homes,
you know, but if you look athistory, you can see patterns
that repeat.
So same thing for 2025,.
We have certain patterns thatrepeat from the past and that's
why I call this year the year ofshedding and pain and suffering
.
I didn't know that we're goingto be burned right in the
beginning.
In Turkey, people burned.
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In LA, people burned.
I mean, look at what'shappening around the world.
There's so much suffering, somuch confusion.
That's part of the year.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So we can see that through patterns, no-transcript
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you're in a relationship iseither abusive or abused, right
that that abuse repeats itselfin the pattern.
It's not exactly like the womanwas abusing the man or whatever
that looks like, or theirchildren or or whatever, but it
does rhyme in so many ways and Ilove that kind of
interpretation of it.
It's like you can say, hey,it's not going to tell you
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exactly what's going to happen,because that would be predicting
the future, right, but you cangive some signs and things to be
aware of what's going to happen.
And so, yeah, I love thatperspective on that perspective
on it.
And so, like, if people, whatdo you say that people that are
relatively skeptical about,about astrology, is that you
know, I know that you, you, youjust talked about that book and
(25:50):
I'm like, oh, that's that, forfor me, resonates a lot and I'm
I'm not skeptical, I'm agnostic.
You know, if Sophie, right, ourfriend Sophie says she's like,
hey, this is what's going on,this is what you got to be
careful with, I'm like, okay,I'll be careful, you know, like,
I'll listen, I'll, you know, Idon't have.
You know, she's guided me sowell and other things in my life
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that?
This is another thing that Ijust listened to, right?
So if somebody is relativelyskeptical, what would you?
What would you say?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know, I think that the most important thing is
to see if this is a technologythat works, the same way that
there's a lot of people that areskeptical about what do you
mean?
That this person representssomebody that I know?
How does that work?
This field, this knowing field,I don't get it.
So I read books about it andhow you know quantum technology,
I mean there's maybe a quantumentanglement, et cetera, maybe,
(26:43):
but my feeling is this first ofall, as Jung described it,
astrology is a symbolic systemof oneness, meaning that it's
trying to take the one and giveyou tools to understand the one,
because everything is part ofthe one.
I believe wholly thateverything is connected, that if
we go back in time, even 13.8billion years ago, we get to the
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Big Bang, where everybody weretogether in this infinitely
small, infinitely hot, and thenit expanded and all of us cooled
in a different way, but we'reall from that same place.
So even mystics agree.
So astrology is trying tounderstand our environment, our
celestial environment, and forme, you know, with skeptics I
(27:24):
always say test it.
You know you have.
For example, march is going tobe a very intense time.
March is going to be intensebecause we're going to have a
planet called Venus goingretrograde.
We have Mercury.
It's also going to beretrograde.
There's eclipses Check to seewhat it is, for example, like
four or five months ago.
Because I'm from Israel, I'mvery involved in what happened
with the hostages and what'shappening with the terrible
(27:45):
situation in Gaza.
So I told people in March oreven before, hey guys, and I put
it on Instagram so I can showit to people.
When Mars is retrograde, Ithink there is a chance in
Cancer, there's a chance thatthe hostages will come back and
that there will be ceasefire inGaza so that the Gazan can come
back to their homes.
Because Mars retrograde goingback.
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Mars is the soldier in cancerhome and family.
Mars hates being in cancer.
Mars doesn't want to be at home, he wants to be in the
battlefield.
So I called him the fallensoldier and then I thought wait,
fallen soldiers, hostages.
I think they're going to comeback.
Then, and it was after a yearplus that people are saying it's
going to come.
No, soon, going to come soon.
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In May they said there's goingto be a deal.
In September they say it'sgoing to be a deal.
And in January 5 or 6, Marsstarted going retrograde in
Cancer and a week after theystarted coming back, and
hopefully they're still comingback, and now the people are
coming back to Gaza as well.
So you can see these kinds ofthings happening.
It's just us being able tointerpret the signs.
The signs are there the sameway that the family is there.
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But a good practitioner can fixthe family, can make the
representation work.
So with skepticism, I thinkthat everybody needs a certain
amount of skepticism.
I will call skepticism thelittle f.
When I studied physics.
Little f, if you remember, it'sfriction and the reason why
there is friction.
So I'm doing like this, I'mgetting excited.
If there was no friction to mychair I would be flying into
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your computer.
So friction is necessary.
I mean, yes, the chair is heavy, so I'm to move it now.
It's annoying, without thatI'll be flying all over the
place.
Skepticism is important.
Without skepticism there is nohealing.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh, I love that.
I love that.
I really like how you put itand I really like your practical
approach to this technologyright, it's like another
interpretation system andanother technology.
It's like it really puts it, itin, you know, uh, I think, an
audience that hasn't really beenbeen, you know, exposed to this
right, because, you know, Iremember growing up it's like it
(29:48):
would be like 11, 30 at nightand tv would be go on and some,
some person with like veryflamboyant you know, and be like
oh you know the the future isgoing to look like and it was.
I grew up in venezuela, so youknow it'd be like 11, 45 at
night and you'd have like thisguy you know the future is going
to look like and it was.
I grew up in Venezuela, so youknow it'd be like 1145 at night
and you'd have, like this guythat you know is predicting the
future and like, okay, but thisis such a like, a such a nuanced
(30:09):
take on it and it's sopractical that it really really
resonates with with that side ofme.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
You know, in my book Cosmic Navigator, the first book
I wrote on astrology, Imentioned that there is no proof
to astrology.
It's like maybe shooting myselfin the leg.
There is no proof.
Anybody says proof, it'snonsense.
There is no proof, except theproof that works for me, which I
believe in, is the proof ofevolution.
What does that mean?
Astrology started in Babylon along time ago, in Sumeria, sorry
(30:37):
.
And then in Babylon it wasreally developed.
Then the Greek took it and madeit even bigger.
Okay, astrology has never beenpart of the mainstream.
It's not like the Pope thatforced everybody to convert to
Christianity or Islam, thatconquered ground and make
everybody.
It never was in the mainstream,so people didn't have to do it.
And you had a Babylonianastrologer telling the king
don't attack now, attack in twodays and attack from this side.
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If it didn't work for that king, the astrology would have died
and the knowledge with him.
So the reason why astrology ishere is because over the year it
survived and corrected itself,like ai.
Every time you get thathallucination from ai, you try
to correct it so it doesn't dothat.
Same answer again.
Same thing with astrology.
You told me mars in aries isthis?
(31:19):
It's not true.
Okay, okay, I'm correcting it.
Doesn't do that.
Same answer again.
Same thing with astrology.
You told me Mars in Aries isthis.
It's not true, okay, okay, I'mcorrecting it.
Don't kill me.
And that's how it evolved.
Because it evolved, because itworked.
And that's why people riskthemselves in order to work with
astrology, because a lot oftime it was against the
mainstream.
So I always tell people theonly proof that worked for
astrology is because it actuallyworked.
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I know it for myself.
People come every six months ora year because what I told them
helped them and made sense tothem and avoided problems for
them.
And one of the other proofs thatI have for astrology, which I
think is the birth of astrology,is, if you think about it, a
long time ago, when we juststarted walking on two, the
pelvis changed.
Women had to give birth.
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It was much harder.
A lot of women died givingbirth at that time and it was
very dangerous to have sex withthe caveman because you can get
pregnant and kill your die.
So a clever woman had I'm sureit was a woman had to figure out
that there is a cosmic lock outthere and, according to the
moon, she can decide when tohave sex with the caveman and
not get pregnant.
And that's when astrology wasborn, because the woman
(32:24):
connected the moon to her cycleand then she probably told her
friends that's the birth ofastrology.
So the birth of astrology cameout of the need of women to
survive pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
So it's almost a symbiotic relationship with ebbs
and flows of the cosmos.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Precisely it's linking yourself and sinking to
because of there are, like yousaid, we're stardust, that's
what we are.
We made of stardust wherethat's, that's, that's our
material here stardust, yeah.
So of course, the stars thatare made of stardust and we are
part of it are connected.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
We just have to figure out the language yeah,
and there's, there's always beenmystics, right, there's always
been like the sufism or kabbalah, or you know the merlin.
There's always been thesemystics that have been able to
interpret.
You know the shells or the, youknow whatever, the, you know
the chicken bones or whatever.
The thing is that interpretingyou know the ebb and flow and,
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like I said a little bit ago, islike the ebb and flow of the
cosmos, is like how tounderstand and how to in some
way in constellations, time andplace are irrelevant.
You're interpreting a different, the connected morphic field or
whatever.
And that you can use thistechnology to do the same thing
(33:38):
right, to look at it from adifferent perspective, and it
may be the same effect that'shappening that you know, as
facilitators, we do in the field, right in the family system,
but in a much, much larger,grander scale, that can have the
patterns of what the next erasare going to look like and the
next time lapses are going tolook like.
So I, I'm this has reallysparked my.
(34:01):
This conversation has reallysparked my interest in this,
because I've, I've,traditionally, I'm going to be,
I'm going to, you know, be verytransparent, like I
traditionally didn't have a likeI don't know, you know, it's
like it was very yeah, sure,this is what I am, but it gives
this is like a renewedperspective on what that does,
just looking at as anothertechnology, and very practical,
(34:22):
you know you know, for example,pluto, the lord of death and
transformation.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Okay, pluto represents, in the family
constellation of the zodiac,death and transformation.
Pluto hades the underworld, butalso means riches and it moved
once in 250 years into aquariusand it just happened now in
November of last year.
But it was on and off becauseit's a slow planet from 2023.
Anyway, I look to see whathappened last time Pluto was in
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Aquarius and, lo and behold, itwas the French revolution and
Aquarius is all about freedom,equality.
So the first time, last timePluto was there, that Aquarius
is also about technology.
It was the industrialrevolution.
Aquarius is all about democracy.
The american constitution waswritten and what is the first
word?
We, the people.
That's precisely aquarius.
That's why I could tell thatnext time pluto is coming to
(35:11):
aquarius, which is now ai willbe very important because that's
technology.
Democracy will be re-evaluatedand look at what's happening
around the world.
You know, diplomacy is almostlike having an autoimmune
disorder, democracy eatingitself in a sense, because
democracy was very good againstdictators, against fascism,
against monarchs, but it can'tbe good against itself.
(35:33):
So pluto in aquarius is kind oflike messing around with that
archetype of democracy andgovernments and technology
innovation.
And that's for the next 20years.
But we know what's going tohappen in the future, based on
what happened in the past andthat's what I kept warning, even
in my book last year Israel,because I went back 250 years,
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250 years, 250 years and then Isaw that many, many times ago,
when Pluto was in Aquarius, it'swhen the Roman destroyed the
temple in Israel.
It wasn't even the Romans, itwas the Jews that burned it, but
never mind, it was thedestruction of the second temple
.
And that's why I warn peoplethat listen, you have to really
be careful about what's going onwith the Middle East, because
last time it happened, the wholeproject was destroyed, so be
(36:17):
careful.
Okay, it's not inevitable.
You destroyed, so be careful.
Okay, it's not inevitable.
You still have free will.
You still can listen to thesigns.
It's the same thing.
For example, every time you havea birthday, you have what is
called a solar return.
The sun returns back to theplace it was when you were born.
That's your birthday.
It's a very difficult time.
It's not a happy time.
It's a difficult time,regardless of your age.
Don't tell me, because you getolder, older.
(36:38):
Even kids in their birthday getdisappointed and they get, uh,
wrapped up about what youbrought, what you didn't bring
me, blah blah.
It's a tough day.
That's why we celebratebirthday, because the old
ancestors, our ancestors,realized okay, every time
there's a birthday it's reallytough, let's celebrate it, let's
give them gift, let them treatthem special because it's such a
(36:59):
hard day.
That's how it works.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Wow, well, that's such a cool perspective.
That brings a lot up for mejust to understand a whole
different level of what we are.
One of the things I wanted toask you as this comes up is that
I have this thought is you know, like, the more that we work on
(37:26):
ourselves, the more effectsthat we'll have on our family,
and that more of the family willhave effect on social structure
, right, and then countries, etcetera, et cetera, et cetera?
And do you see this as do yousee using this technology and
the interpretation of thistechnology as a way that we
could say, hey, there's going tobe a tough time to come up,
(37:47):
focus on healing during thisnext time, or this is going to
be an optimal time to rebuildand this is going to be an
optimal time to re-evaluate thissocial contract, or focus on
technology, and that you couldactually govern your life with
this kind of compass?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, because I think that that's what the planets
are.
They're like markers of time.
You know, with the zeitgeist,the idea of zeitgeist in Germany
is basically the spirit of thetime.
So, yeah, there is, let's say,one client that I can tell them
listen, your north node,whatever is in your House of
Relationship, I want you tofocus on relationship, less
about yourself.
Don't be so self-centered, beanother person.
(38:27):
I could say listen, your NorthNode now is marking that you
need to focus on yourrelationship, not on yourself or
on yourself, and not inrelationship or your career,
because things are shifting andchanging.
So that's the beautiful thingabout the chart.
You have your chart that you'reborn with, but the planets are
continuing to move and they'recontinuing to tell stories and
they move around your chart andthat's why things are changing.
(38:49):
You know, people tell me Irecently meet a lot of cancers.
Well, probably in your chartthere is a house, an area in
your life ruled by cancer andthat house is now beaming.
Maybe it's the house of careerand all these cancers are trying
to shine the career in you.
And that's what I said to youin the beginning.
I really think that astrology isa system of psychology
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philosophy, because the premiseof astrology is really beautiful
.
It says there is 12 drawers, 12files, and you have to take
everything in life and decideeach one of them, which will
they fit in which drawer?
So, for example, like I said,astrology is ruled by Aquarius.
(39:30):
Aquarius is also the future,aquarius is technology, aquarius
is community, aquarius isaltruism and Aquarius is
humanity.
So, according to astrology,humanity is altruistic DNA,
because it helps us, you know.
Or, for example, gemini Geminiis communication, but it's also
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siblings, of course because, ifyou have siblings, you really
learn to communicate with them.
Yeah, as parents is this kind ofcommunication.
Siblings is more this kind ofcommunication, but it's also
roommates.
Oh well, if you have a roommateit's like a brother and a
sister, because your brother andsister might've been in the
same room with you, you know.
So it's really beautiful how,like we said, even cancer is
immovable.
Object land, but also families.
So that's why it forces you tokind of look at life with
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different, these 12 colors anddifferent frequencies, and to
really understand life throughthat lens.
That's why I call it a systemof uh um?
Speaker 1 (40:29):
philosophy yeah, I, I , I like that.
My sister's a gemini as well,so it's like you know, and I'm
two years older and she like tothe date like 23, like 23 months
and like three weeks and we'realmost, you know, we're a week,
a week apart and we're verysimilar, you know, and, and our
temperament and how we, sothat's, that's a really cool
she's like your twin yeah, she'slike my twin exactly.
(40:50):
She's a twin that's two yearsyounger.
A really cool.
She's like your twin.
Yeah, she's like my twinExactly.
She's a twin that's two yearsyounger than I am.
Yeah, so how did you, how didyou come across Family
Constellations and what was?
What was the first impressions?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well, I was in Bulgaria, which I'm going in two
days and we're doing someworkshops there as well and, um,
I met a very good friend thatactually brought me to Bulgaria.
To begin with, I met her inIstanbul and my brother is from
Bulgaria, so I saw her sittingwith my brother, my father, who
came to visit me, and talking toher in Bulgarian.
(41:20):
The next thing I know, she tookmy book on Kabbalah and
translated it there ElitzaVelikova she's called, and we
became really, really goodfriends.
She's also an Aries, I'm anAries.
We came like like twins in ourway, and then she got really
into family constellation awhile ago.
She studied for a while afterbeing a therapist uh for, uh for
(41:41):
a while and then we thought itwould be fun, after so many
years of knowing each otheractually, 19 years of knowing
each other to maybe do someworkshops together and I didn't
know how.
So she gave me a bunch of booksto read about family
constellation and I got reallyinto it and I started reading a
lot about ancestral karma,because it suddenly brought a
lot of truth to me.
(42:01):
I can't pretend, you know, it'snot like research.
Okay, now I have to read aboutit.
It's like I'm getting.
I'm getting really sucked intoit and I read amazing books
about it.
Usually, a good book means thatI can cry, not because it's sad
, but because it touches me in acertain way and causes me to
have a physical reaction, and alot of these books made it.
(42:23):
And then when I'm reading thesebooks, because I have that ideas
of astrology, I can immediatelysee how astrology works with it
.
Oops, he says a pattern thathappens every 30 years Saturn
takes 29 and a half years to goaround the sun.
It's a Saturn issue.
Oops, he had it at the age of19.
19 is the nodal return.
So even between reading thebooks about solar family
constellation, I realized howmuch astrology is inside.
(42:46):
So we started doing theseworkshops where there is working
on representation of the sunand the moon instead of father
and mother, because sometimespeople are too attached
emotionally to the father andmother but we can kind of bypass
it through.
No, we're talking about yoursun and your moon.
Your moon is here, your sun isthere, okay.
Now when we get deeper into it,we get more involved into the
(43:07):
energy of your father and mother, or we start talking about Mars
and Venus in order tounderstand patterns in
constellation that have to dowith your relationship.
So that's how I got into it and, yeah, that's what we're going
into in two days in Plovdiv andin Sofia, we're doing a workshop
on Saturn, which is fear.
(43:27):
Trying to get that fear energywith family constellation.
Maybe to find a representativeof your Saturn, which is fear.
Trying to get that fear energywith family constellation.
Maybe to find a representativeof your Saturn, of what you're
afraid of, what you really arescared of.
You know, and we'reexperimenting.
Those people are very open inBulgaria and maybe in Sofia,
because it's called the city ofwisdom, and we bring that from
there.
We started spreading it.
(43:48):
We did some workshops inChicago as well last year.
But it's fascinating to see thecombination, because I tried to
Google online first to see,okay, who's doing family
constellation astrology?
Maybe I can check to see.
I couldn't find anything, so Idecided, okay, we have to
develop it slowly.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
That's such a cool aspect of it.
You know, it's like familyconstellations come in many
shapes and sizes, right there'sshamanic, and you know, with
horses and structuralconstellations, atomic
constellations, and you know, II think I never thought of it
and I'm like this makes all thesense in the world now that you
know and and and yourexplanation is so good that and
(44:27):
you have such a a profound graspof of of the concepts you know
and I think, being a militaryveteran, you know yourself and
I'm a veteran myself, so youknow just the practicality of
coming to spirituality from apractical masculine sense is
such a I think it's such a gift,you know.
So, and putting this together,I'm just fascinated by, by this
(44:49):
and I want to read your booksand I want to really learn more
about this.
When are you coming to SouthFlorida?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm coming there on the 14th on Valentine's.
It's very symbolic my firsttime in Miami on Valentine's.
I guess I had my Valentine's inMiami in a past lifetime and
I'm going to be teaching withthe Miami Life Center.
It's a yoga place where we'regoing to do on the 15th about
astrology and on the 16th we'regoing to do a past lifetime
regression, because I work a lotwith past lifetimes.
(45:18):
I find it fascinating, oh,really.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
So we're going to do it and that's going to be on the
16th.
The 16th, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And how long are you going to be in South Florida?
For 14 to 17.
Okay, and then back to LA,because it's been.
I was just now in Dubai, andbefore that I was in London and
in Milano, so I travel a lot.
I have Sagittarius in the houseof career, which means
traveling.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
And so if, um, if people wanted to get ahold of
you, if they wanted to to tofollow you on your, on your on
this journey, and I wouldimagine that you have a pretty
active Instagram how do peopleget ahold of you?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, cosmic underscore navigator is my
Instagram and cosmicnavigatorcomis my website and they have
everything there.
There's a lot of free things onmy website because I believe
astrology again is Aquarius,Aquarius is internet and
Aquarius is freedom.
So I believe that on yourwebsite you should have free
things for people so they cancheck out the things that I'm
(46:16):
going to do some readings likeprivate readings there.
All right, Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Beautiful Gal.
I think I hope this is thefirst of many conversations on
constellations and astrology.
I'm really excited about whatthis future is going to look
like.
It's really, really beautiful.
I know Sophie was like you needto talk to God.
I'm like, all right, all right,all right.
So you know we had thisconversation and I'm so glad we
did because it's fascinating mymind's, like you know, my mind's
(46:42):
going a million miles an hour.
So I'm going to definitelyfollow you and I'm very excited
about what the future holds.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Well, thanks a lot and thanks for giving us this
beautiful platform.
And you know, john, john, themeaning of name John is actually
from Hebrew, yohanan, and itmeans God's mercy or God's
compassion.
Which is interesting becauseI'm just thinking about it now,
sorry is that cancer isassociated with St John, because
cancer is the first water sign.
(47:10):
What was john?
He was the baptist.
You know, I baptize you withwater.
The one after me, the true one,will baptize you with fire, etc
.
So the first day of cancer,which is the solstice, is the
day of baptism and your job isto focus on family cancer
constellation, even though yourgemini belonged to the sign
before, because the solstice isright between gemini cancer.
(47:32):
That's the borderline between Ithink, which is Gemini, to I
feel, which is water.
So it's interesting that youwere called John.
Again, I believe you namedyourself and just whispered it
to your mother.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, my second name is Andrew Andres.
It's in Spanish, so it's Andrewis andres is the human.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
So it's also fascinating, because you need to
remind yourself that you'rehuman, that you're not alien,
that you're not an angel, angelyou're not a spirit, you're a
human.
So remember baptizing humans.
And acosta, costa is uh, to the, to the shore, to yeah to the
coast.
Well, I rest my case.
(48:15):
You're not baptizing in rivers,you prefer to baptize people in
the sea.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
In the ocean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Andale, a la Costa.
That was beautiful.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, carl, thank you so much.
This has been awesome.
I can't wait for our nextconversation, man.
Hopefully we can do a lot moreof these, so I'm fascinated by
your journey and how youdeveloped this and, of course,
you're a guest.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
If you want to come to any of the classes or
anything, you're more thanwelcome.
Just let me know.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, I'd love to and I'd love to connect while here
in Miami.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
So I'll come see you and take you out to lunch and
we'll connect.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
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Today, I'm joined by GalSassoon, an authored astrologer
with over two decades ofexperience teaching mysticism
around the world.
We dive into the hidden truthsof astrology, the science behind
healing and how ancestralwisdom reveals life's patterns.
Gal also shares how hediscovered family constellations
and why astrology holds moretruth than most people realize.
(00:20):
If you've ever questioned thedeeper forces at play in your
life, this episode's for you.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I didn't expect that, but let me recover.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yes, how was that?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
it was pretty intense .
And uh, it's so funny because II got to family constellation a
little bit late in life, Iguess, like maybe two years ago,
and it was always a mystery forme why I can't have wine, why I
drink red wine.
I fall asleep.
If I drink white wine, I can'tdo charts, the why I drink red
wine, I fall asleep.
If I drink white wine, I can'tdo charts the day after because
(01:07):
I get a headache.
And the mystery was even morestrong because my sister I'm
very close to him and she's inIsrael she refuses to have
alcohol in the house If there isalcohol in the house, because
her son is a great guy.
I'm really good friends withhim, he's a DJ, so he buys
really good tequila, she puts itin the fridge behind everything
in like a box that's kind oflocked, almost like in jail, and
(01:29):
we all laugh about it.
But where it came from?
And then one day we had aconversation with our
grandmother before she died.
She's from Poland and Ukraine.
Her mother and father had a pub, tur of Tarvin in Ukraine, and
they used to put water in thewine because there was a rule
that you can't sell wine to thepeasants because they don't get
up to work.
So they blamed all theinnkeeper and they forced them
(01:52):
to stop doing it.
But the peasants want to drink,so they had to put wine and
water mix it together.
But it's kind of cheating.
And then I thought, oh my God,that's our ancestral karma with
wine just goes down, we'rediluting it with water.
And that's when it clicked tome that, yes, there is this
(02:14):
ancestral karma that runsthrough our DNA, through our
past lifetimes.
I think they're very connectedand that was my mission to see
how it is coming across incharts, which is very, very
interesting, because my feelingis that the family constellation
of your it's almost like Godsits with you before you're born
and you create this familyconstellation.
The sun is the father, the moonis the mother, your Mercury is
(02:38):
your brothers and relatives, andyou literally sit there with
God, creating what you do in alot of sessions, one-on-one,
with the little sticks, and Ifigured that each one of us does
that before we are born, withGod, with the entity, with our
ancestors, really deciding ourchart according to our DNA and
past lifetime, which I reallybelieve are all connected.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, that's a really interesting way to look at it.
I never looked at it beforefrom that perspective, so I
think that's such a cool way tolook at things and a lot of
people in this work.
We all say that we pick ourparents before we got here and
it's like the lessons that wehave to learn in order to ascend
(03:23):
, know, get the next level,whatever you want to call, you
know that, you know.
Version of the simulation,right?
So I really agree.
Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's aninteresting.
I really like how you, how youput that.
So tell me a little bit aboutyou know, I know you do some
ancestral charts and and withastrology, I'm I'm going to give
(03:45):
you, I'm going to give you, I'mgoing to confess something I'm
a one trick pony.
I know about familyconstellations, but I don't know
much about anything else, right?
So I know I was born in Juneand I know I'm a Gemini, that's
pretty much it.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's one of the reasons why you're communicating
right now.
Gemini is all about being abridge builder, a connector.
So in your case, you'rebridging the people to their
families.
They somehow.
Why don't they do it themselves?
Well, they need a mediator,they need a connector.
You're ruled by Mercury, forexample, which is the messenger
of the gods.
In your case, you're deliveringmessages with the ancestors,
(04:21):
which in some Japanese cultures,are the gods.
You know, like the concept ofShinto.
For me, I think that I came tounderstand more family
constellation because ofnecessity, because I really
looked a lot into our family Inthat conversation with my
grandmother.
(04:41):
I think it was very monumental,because I was there with my
sister and I also work a lotwith names.
I'm very fascinated with thenames that run in the family,
because names we know from theBible, we know from in Near East
and from anthropology, namescarry a lot of meaning.
There's always meaning to yourname and, oh no, I'm named after
(05:02):
my grandmother.
Of course, you're named afteryour grandmother because there
is a story, a name that passesdown, the generation that needs
to be purified, purged.
The same with genetics, thesame with traits.
So we're sitting there.
My sister's name is Miri, whichis basically Maria, miriam, and
my grandmother was telling meyeah, you're named after my own
mother, who was named Maria, andshe was not a very nice person.
(05:26):
Our grandmother is telling usabout her mother.
She never touched us.
Our Ukrainian maid hugged meand touched me.
My mother thought that parentsshould not touch their kids, so
she never touched us.
Think about it growing up.
So when we go out, my sister issaying, oh my God, it's such a
terrible thing.
I'm named after this evil womanwho never touched her children.
(05:46):
And I said, wait, wait, wait.
Maria is the mother of God.
It's considered to be elevatedwater in Hebrew.
You have purified that ideabecause you are an amazing
mother.
My sister is an amazing mother.
She's a professor and madeamazing kids.
My best friends are her kids.
You took that name, maria,maria, and you purified it.
(06:07):
Who knows, maybe you're evenMaria from a past lifetime,
maybe you were her and you gotanother chance.
You know to work with thatgenetic material and to fix it.
And not only you're much betterthan our mother, and your
daughter is even an amazingmother herself.
You really fixed it, and now wedon't have to name after
anybody Maria's anymore.
We've done with it.
(06:27):
So I think that that's alsosomething for people to look
into.
Signs that repeat.
You know how you guys do thefamily tree, which is amazing.
You just did it in themeditation.
What if you add the signs, justthe signs?
Oh, wow, okay, each one of them.
And what if you add the signs,just the signs of each one of
them, and try to see if there isa sign that is repetitive Maybe
(06:47):
there's an Aries energyrepetitive and then you just
Google you don't have to be anastrologer find out what is the
characteristic of Aries.
Maybe the family is reallytrying to work with the
archetype of Aries, which thekeyword is, for example, I am
identity.
Maybe it's Taurus, which has todo with money.
Maybe it's Taurus which has todo with money.
Maybe it's Gemini, which has todo with communication.
And once you figure out that,you can see from both sides of
(07:08):
your family what signs are more,let's say, missing, which is
okay.
Why is that sign missing?
We're not dealing withsomething, or what is signed
repeats, and that's somearchetype that we need to work
with.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, and that explains so much about, you know
, now I'm I'm seeing it from acompletely new perspective
because, um, you know, it canalmost give the subculture of
the, of the family, right.
It's like if it's heavily oneside influence or the other side
influence.
And you know, there there issomething that people that are
like, oh, I'm hardheaded, I'm aTaurus or whatever I don't even
(07:42):
know if that's a thing, but youknow, I know from the little
that I've that, I've that I'veread, is that I was like, oh,
I'm hardheaded.
And you know, they see, theGemini thing says like, yeah,
that's a lot like my personality.
My personality is very, youknow, communication, I like to
connect people, I'm a connector,I'm a very diplomatic room and
I'll talk to everybody, you know, and it just really talks about
(08:04):
how, depending on your you knowbirth date, what type of things
you take into your familysystem, and I've always looked
at all of these modalities asjust an interpretation of a
phenomenon that happens inpeople and social systems, right
Do?
you see, it from a from asimilar perspective, because
sometimes it can take like suchmystic and woo-woo, like stuff
(08:27):
that you're like it.
Just this is like aninterpretation of a technology
that already exists of courseI'm very practical.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
People ask me what astrology book are you reading
now?
And I'm saying a news, becauseif I really want to understand
astrology, I have to look atwhat's happening as above, so
below, below, how the planet'sposition is correlating to
stories that's happening now.
The news of today is basicallythe history of tomorrow, so
definitely that's part of it.
(08:53):
And in astrology we look atfamilies as cancer.
The archetype of cancer isfamilies.
I mean, there's a reason whythe great psychologist Jung was
an astrologer and he broughtfrom astrology synchronicities.
He brought from astrology thearchetypes.
And cancer in astrology isfamily, of course, but it's at
(09:14):
the bottom of your chart.
It's called the foundation ofyour chart.
So if you look at the roundchart, the bottom of your chart
is your family, it's your roots.
Everything comes from there andcancer is defined as anything
you cannot pick up.
Astrology is fascinating.
I think astrology is aphilosophy.
What does that mean?
You can't pick up your homeOkay, it's cancer.
You can't pick up land?
(09:35):
Okay, that's cancer.
You can pick up the mic?
Okay, that's Taurus, becauseyou can pick it up.
It's a thing that you can pickup.
And for me, I took it one levelhigher because just before you
guys, I did a chart here inIstanbul and she complained
about sisters.
I said, okay, wait, family isimmovable objects.
You cannot move your brother,your sister, your mother, that's
(09:59):
it.
You have those genes, you havethis DNA.
You cannot move them.
You can work within the range,you cannot talk to her, but she
can never stop being yourbrother or sister.
People who say I disown my sonthat's nonsense.
You can't disown your son.
That's ridiculous.
I'm not talking aboutemotionally, but even logically.
Your genes are there with him.
(10:20):
Everywhere he goes, you're withhim.
You guys know it.
That's what we just did, themeditation.
Everywhere you go, my ancestorsare there hanging out.
So that's so beautiful aboutfamily constellation and why I
found it so powerful to workwith astrology because it deals
with these immovable issues.
You can divorce your wife Okay,that's Libra.
Libra is a relationship but youcannot divorce your son.
(10:40):
You cannot divorce your father.
You cannot divorce yourgrandparents Okay, that's Libra.
Libra is a relationship.
But, you cannot divorce your son, you cannot divorce your father
, you cannot divorce yourgrandparents.
That's it.
You're stuck with them.
It's immovable, and the onlything that's left is to heal it,
which is precisely familyconstellation.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, and even when you have kids with your spouse
and even if you divorce, you'restill energetically tied to them
, in some way connected.
And even if you spent a lot oftime with somebody, there's an
exchange that happens and theytake up.
You know they, they hold apiece of your soul and you hold
a piece of their soul andthere's when there's a strong
relationship, that definitelyhappens.
So, yeah, I definitely see thecorrelation between between the
(11:21):
two worlds.
So how did you?
How did you get into this?
Like, what was the where?
Is this something that you wereinterested in since you were
born, or is this something thatyou, as you kind of matured, got
into this?
How did that happen?
What was that journey like?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
the.
The astrology was kind of funnybecause I studied psychology
okay and then I was supposed todo my master's and I was
supposed to get the like arecommendation from this
professor that knew me very well, because it was very hard to
get to know professorspersonally because I have the
scores.
I had everything I needed.
I just needed his letter ofrecommendation.
And when I came to get it, verysure of myself, he said I'm not
(11:54):
going to give it to you and I'mgoing to make sure you're not
going to get into the master'sdegree because you're going to
be a problem to the system.
I said what do you mean?
He said either you're going toconstantly fight with us,
because he kind of knew me, orwe're going to destroy your
creativity.
And at that time I hated him,even though he was a genius.
I mean, he was absolutely right, to be honest.
(12:19):
I got home so completelydepressed and thought, oh my God
, my whole world of being apsychotherapist was destroyed.
And then I get a phone call,like it always happens, and it's
my cancer friend, funny enough,and he's a surfer and he says
hey, we're going to go to Mexicoto surf.
Are you coming?
I said what are you talkingabout coming?
I just heard that it's terriblenews.
I'm not going to be gettinginto my master's blah blah.
And then in my head we talkedabout name.
I said my name Gal in Hebrewmeans a wave.
(12:41):
This guy is suddenly out of theblue asking me to go to Mexico
to learn how to surf, basicallyto learn how to deal with myself
, and I was blocked there.
Why am I so stubborn?
And I said, okay, I'm coming.
And I went to Mexico.
After two weeks of surfing Iwent to Guadalajara expecting to
fly back, and crazysynchronicities happen.
(13:01):
It's too long to explain, butthe next thing I know I'm in
Guadalajara.
I don't speak Spanish, but Iwas adopted by a family there.
I had a rock band and theguitar player of the rock band
brought me to astrology.
And the next thing, you know,I'm studying astrology in
Spanish, even though I don'ttarot.
And then I decided it's time togo to Los Angeles and I had a
(13:26):
friend there from the army.
So I went there and one thingled to the other published one
book, second book.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
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So you know, I'm alwaysfascinated by this concept is
(13:53):
that, you know, you see thingsrepeat themselves in different
things, right, you see?
patterns in many of the greatreligions.
You see these patterns rightand Family Constellations in so
many ways is about patternrecognition and I think
astrology in some way createsthat archetype, those archetypes
right that they do create.
You know how you see somebodyand it's like they have these
(14:13):
things and it's like, is it thecosmos having effect on people
when they where they're born andhow they exit the the world and
do?
Do we need these 12 you knowdifferent archetypes right to be
able to look at things?
The 12 apostles, you know, like, why these patterns all emerge
in some, in some way.
So what are some of thesynchronicities and stuff that
you've seen that emerge fromthis, from this framework?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
you know, I think that astrology is all about the
connection between as above sobelow.
Whatever is happening up thereis happening also below here.
Whatever is happening in yourfamily constellation is also
happening inside of you.
That's as above so below, aswithin, so without, it's the
same thing.
So, for example, you have themoon.
The moon comes every 29 daysback to where she was before
(14:58):
starting something new.
So, for example, in all mybooks every year I publish a
book on the year ahead I givethe list of the new moon so
people can use that instead ofbeing used by it and saying use
the moon in order to startsomething new every month and
work on yourself.
So, instead of my philosophywith, astrology is not like
what's going to happen you knowI'm going to read about my son
(15:20):
it's like no, this is happening,what do you want to do about it
?
That's what I always tellpeople.
Astrology is not about what'sgoing to happen in the future.
Astrology traces the patternsand orbits of the planets as
they were in the past, gettingthe understanding of what they
mean to keep you, like a map toknow where you are, like Google
map, where you are now and whatyou want to do is up to you.
(15:41):
So my feeling in astrology isthat it's the connection or the
balance between free will andfate.
Fate is your chart.
You can't change your chart.
You were born at a certain timeat a certain place, that's it.
Same thing with your parents.
You can't change your parents,that's it.
But how is going to be yourrelationship?
Well, that's up to you.
But she's very nasty to me.
(16:02):
Okay, that's up to you, butshe's very nasty to me.
Okay, go to therapy, ask her togo to therapy, change your
attitude, accept her andeventually the relationship
could improve, you know.
So the same thing with theplanets.
The planets are like the DNAyou can't change it.
But your reaction to life, howyou accept life, how you work
with your range of DNA, yourrange with the genes, is
basically how you can work withthe planet.
(16:23):
The best example, because peoplealways battle with it if my
chart is written a certain way,it's like the Sufi say it's
maktub, it's written.
It's an Arabic maktub, it'swritten.
That's it, it's written.
No, you still have a way toread it.
Think about it.
You have Shakespeare, Hamlet.
We all know that.
It's destined, that Hamlet iscertainly.
(16:44):
I think it's the third act willstop and say to be or not to be.
We wait for it.
But what would be thedifference between somebody who
gets an Oscar about Hamlet orsomebody who's booed out of the
stage?
It's the same script.
It's written, it's the same DNA.
The choices he makes, how hedeclares, how he talks about it.
That's going to make thedifference.
And that's precisely even whatFamily Constellation says.
(17:06):
You are stuck with the script ofyour family, but you can read
it differently, you can act itdifferently.
I mean, you guys are literallydirectors.
You put your mother in oneplace, you put your father in
another place.
And, by the way, I found itvery interesting that it
sometimes correlates to wherethe sun and the moon is in the
chart, even the way they faceeach other, or if the sun and
(17:31):
the moon are squaring, meaningthat they're not getting along.
It's like the father and motherare not looking at each other.
It's fascinating to see it,because that's why I think that
it's not.
He didn't name it familyconstellation for no reason.
I mean it's a constellation.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that.
The fact is, like you know, Iwas having a we were doing a
family constellation last weekand we were talking about where
the name constellations camefrom and it's you know, we are
celestial beings, right, and wecan look at ourselves as
celestial beings, and that weare gravitational forces, have
effect on different members ofour family, right, that we're
(18:03):
all circling each other in someway and that may be a closer
orbit or farther away and theremay be some collisions in that.
And to really understand it,that we have gravitational pulls
in our system and that we canadapt to that.
And I really liked how you putit.
You know, it's like the scriptis the same, it's how you
interpret it, right, and thathappens in scripture, right, in
(18:25):
biblical texts or in religioustexts.
It happens like how you, howyou interpret it and you know
the information that's, that'sseveral layers below, and you
can read the same book over andover and over again, and then it
gets deeper and then deeper andthen deeper.
And the same thing I think withwith this modality as well, as
like you can interpret so muchinformation from this, and we're
all uncovering thesesubconscious patterns, right,
(18:47):
and you know I, I love the whatyou said about fate.
You know it's like you, um,like leaving it up to fate is a
victim position right, and beinglike how you can adjust, how
can you adapt to fate, is a is avictor position right, that you
can say precisely I can't move,I can't change the wind, but I
can adjust my sails yeah, yeah,and that's I mean, that's the
(19:10):
beauty of it.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
We get free will within the context of fate and
instead of arguing is it onlyfate, is it only free will, I
mean, why argue so much it?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
you know, it's like the back of the newspaper you
know and I don't mean tominimize it at all, but you know
(19:43):
the horoscope, like what's yourhoroscope for this month?
It's, you know the blurb andit's just like very vague.
But somebody that wants to takethis a little bit more serious
to, like you said, I love theway how you look at it is that
it's like a map of kind of whatthe future terrain is going to
look like, right, it's like soyou can adjust and you can be
like I'm going to be reallyrisky this quarter coming up, or
(20:04):
I'm going to take it easy, oryou know you can adjust your
risk tolerance, right.
So somebody that's getting intothis, what would you recommend
that to be?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, I don't vibe so much with the columns because I
think they're very superficialand I think they don't work so
much.
And I actually know a few ofthe people that write to major
newspapers, and some of them areclients of mine and they don't
even do so much astrology,they're just very good at
writing, you know.
So I don't think that thatworks so much.
(20:34):
Um, what I do, for example,with my astrology books every
year and that's why they're verythick is that I first part I
try to explain certain thingsabout astrologies that I
discover, even that I thinkabout during the year.
So one way of looking at it isgetting books that talk about
astrology in general.
(20:55):
One book that I reallyrecommend, especially to
husbands of wives that likeastrology and don't understand
what is she doing with that, isFated Skies Fated.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Skies, fated Skies, okay yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's a historian in Columbia University that says
you know, I'm not going to tellif astrology works or not, I'm
just as a historian, look atwhat, historically, astrologers
have said and what happenedafter that.
Because you can do that, youknow.
Yeah, historically, astrologershave said and what happened
after that.
Because you can do that, youknow.
Yeah.
For example, he talks about thebritish merlin.
I mean, merlin was british, Idon't know why he called him the
british merlin.
Um william lilly, who's in 19,13 years before the great fire
(21:30):
in london that was 1666,predicted that 80 of london
would be burned.
He said precisely where.
When the fire did happen, 13years later, they arrested him
because they thought there's noway he's good and known unless
he started it.
And they kept him in jail untilthey found out that it was some
cook who left it in an atticthe stove that burned London.
And he then gives another story, which is really funny, about
(21:53):
how, in the 12th century, thegreat astrologers I think from
Baghdad said that there's goingto be a crazy storm starting
from Mongolia, reaching all theway to Vienna.
He specifically said the dateof time when it's going to
happen.
Nothing happened and everybodywas really upset.
Either astrology works or thisastrologer lost it.
Then it turned out to be thatGenghis Khan was born at that
time in that place, and hisgrandson went all the way to
(22:16):
Vienna.
A storm of dust.
You know what I mean.
So I find it fascinatingbecause I love history and I
don't think you can studyhistory without I mean astrology
without loving history.
And you see it a lot of time Itell people listen, for example,
there was a client that justreached out to me a few weeks
ago from the fires in LA and shesays I can't believe it, my
(22:36):
house was lost and you told methat I should look for a new
house.
I wish I knew that.
I mean I couldn't tell that herhouse would burn.
But in her case Jupiter movedinto the house of home.
I said, listen, it's going tobe a good time to buy another
property someplace else.
I didn't tell her it's going tobe burned, because sometimes
life the one is way morecreative than any astrologer.
(22:58):
And when people ask me ifastrology is a science, I said
no, because we cannot prove itscientifically.
But it's a poem, it's a poetry,basically, and poetry can be
interpreted, like you said, witha revelation, in many different
ways, different layers, but itis a poetic study.
So I think that working withastrology nowadays you have a
(23:19):
lot of these apps that you candownload and it gives you
interpretation.
So working with that I don'tthink you can do it through the
columns.
You know and I happen to becoming to Miami to teach a class
on the context of history ofthe past, where people
understand that it's not aboutprediction.
(23:43):
For example, in my book of 2020, I said listen, guys, the
patterns that we have in 2020are similar to 1983, 84, where
there was a recession and theAIDS pandemic happened, and I
even said that WHO was created.
I didn't know that there'sgoing to be another pandemic,
but I said this is a patternthat repeats itself, so we're
going to have some kind of.
I didn't know that there'sgoing to be another pandemic,
but I said this is a patternthat repeats itself, so we're
(24:03):
going to have some kind of.
I didn't know that people aregoing to be locked up in homes,
you know, but if you look athistory, you can see patterns
that repeat.
So same thing for 2025,.
We have certain patterns thatrepeat from the past and that's
why I call this year the year ofshedding and pain and suffering
.
I didn't know that we're goingto be burned right in the
beginning.
In Turkey, people burned.
(24:24):
In LA, people burned.
I mean, look at what'shappening around the world.
There's so much suffering, somuch confusion.
That's part of the year.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So we can see that through patterns, no-transcript
(25:06):
you're in a relationship iseither abusive or abused, right
that that abuse repeats itselfin the pattern.
It's not exactly like the womanwas abusing the man or whatever
that looks like, or theirchildren or or whatever, but it
does rhyme in so many ways and Ilove that kind of
interpretation of it.
It's like you can say, hey,it's not going to tell you
(25:28):
exactly what's going to happen,because that would be predicting
the future, right, but you cangive some signs and things to be
aware of what's going to happen.
And so, yeah, I love thatperspective on that perspective
on it.
And so, like, if people, whatdo you say that people that are
relatively skeptical about,about astrology, is that you
know, I know that you, you, youjust talked about that book and
(25:50):
I'm like, oh, that's that, forfor me, resonates a lot and I'm
I'm not skeptical, I'm agnostic.
You know, if Sophie, right, ourfriend Sophie says she's like,
hey, this is what's going on,this is what you got to be
careful with, I'm like, okay,I'll be careful, you know, like,
I'll listen, I'll, you know, Idon't have.
You know, she's guided me sowell and other things in my life
(26:12):
that?
This is another thing that Ijust listened to, right?
So if somebody is relativelyskeptical, what would you?
What would you say?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You know, I think that the most important thing is
to see if this is a technologythat works, the same way that
there's a lot of people that areskeptical about what do you
mean?
That this person representssomebody that I know?
How does that work?
This field, this knowing field,I don't get it.
So I read books about it andhow you know quantum technology,
I mean there's maybe a quantumentanglement, et cetera, maybe,
(26:43):
but my feeling is this first ofall, as Jung described it,
astrology is a symbolic systemof oneness, meaning that it's
trying to take the one and giveyou tools to understand the one,
because everything is part ofthe one.
I believe wholly thateverything is connected, that if
we go back in time, even 13.8billion years ago, we get to the
(27:03):
Big Bang, where everybody weretogether in this infinitely
small, infinitely hot, and thenit expanded and all of us cooled
in a different way, but we'reall from that same place.
So even mystics agree.
So astrology is trying tounderstand our environment, our
celestial environment, and forme, you know, with skeptics I
(27:24):
always say test it.
You know you have.
For example, march is going tobe a very intense time.
March is going to be intensebecause we're going to have a
planet called Venus goingretrograde.
We have Mercury.
It's also going to beretrograde.
There's eclipses Check to seewhat it is, for example, like
four or five months ago.
Because I'm from Israel, I'mvery involved in what happened
with the hostages and what'shappening with the terrible
(27:45):
situation in Gaza.
So I told people in March oreven before, hey guys, and I put
it on Instagram so I can showit to people.
When Mars is retrograde, Ithink there is a chance in
Cancer, there's a chance thatthe hostages will come back and
that there will be ceasefire inGaza so that the Gazan can come
back to their homes.
Because Mars retrograde goingback.
(28:06):
Mars is the soldier in cancerhome and family.
Mars hates being in cancer.
Mars doesn't want to be at home, he wants to be in the
battlefield.
So I called him the fallensoldier and then I thought wait,
fallen soldiers, hostages.
I think they're going to comeback.
Then, and it was after a yearplus that people are saying it's
going to come.
No, soon, going to come soon.
(28:26):
In May they said there's goingto be a deal.
In September they say it'sgoing to be a deal.
And in January 5 or 6, Marsstarted going retrograde in
Cancer and a week after theystarted coming back, and
hopefully they're still comingback, and now the people are
coming back to Gaza as well.
So you can see these kinds ofthings happening.
It's just us being able tointerpret the signs.
The signs are there the sameway that the family is there.
(28:50):
But a good practitioner can fixthe family, can make the
representation work.
So with skepticism, I thinkthat everybody needs a certain
amount of skepticism.
I will call skepticism thelittle f.
When I studied physics.
Little f, if you remember, it'sfriction and the reason why
there is friction.
So I'm doing like this, I'mgetting excited.
If there was no friction to mychair I would be flying into
(29:13):
your computer.
So friction is necessary.
I mean, yes, the chair is heavy, so I'm to move it now.
It's annoying, without thatI'll be flying all over the
place.
Skepticism is important.
Without skepticism there is nohealing.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Oh, I love that.
I love that.
I really like how you put itand I really like your practical
approach to this technologyright, it's like another
interpretation system andanother technology.
It's like it really puts it, itin, you know, uh, I think, an
audience that hasn't really beenbeen, you know, exposed to this
right, because, you know, Iremember growing up it's like it
(29:48):
would be like 11, 30 at nightand tv would be go on and some,
some person with like veryflamboyant you know, and be like
oh you know the the future isgoing to look like and it was.
I grew up in venezuela, so youknow it'd be like 11, 45 at
night and you'd have like thisguy you know the future is going
to look like and it was.
I grew up in Venezuela, so youknow it'd be like 1145 at night
and you'd have, like this guythat you know is predicting the
future and like, okay, but thisis such a like, a such a nuanced
(30:09):
take on it and it's sopractical that it really really
resonates with with that side ofme.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
You know, in my book Cosmic Navigator, the first book
I wrote on astrology, Imentioned that there is no proof
to astrology.
It's like maybe shooting myselfin the leg.
There is no proof.
Anybody says proof, it'snonsense.
There is no proof, except theproof that works for me, which I
believe in, is the proof ofevolution.
What does that mean?
Astrology started in Babylon along time ago, in Sumeria, sorry
(30:37):
.
And then in Babylon it wasreally developed.
Then the Greek took it and madeit even bigger.
Okay, astrology has never beenpart of the mainstream.
It's not like the Pope thatforced everybody to convert to
Christianity or Islam, thatconquered ground and make
everybody.
It never was in the mainstream,so people didn't have to do it.
And you had a Babylonianastrologer telling the king
don't attack now, attack in twodays and attack from this side.
(30:59):
If it didn't work for that king, the astrology would have died
and the knowledge with him.
So the reason why astrology ishere is because over the year it
survived and corrected itself,like ai.
Every time you get thathallucination from ai, you try
to correct it so it doesn't dothat.
Same answer again.
Same thing with astrology.
You told me mars in aries isthis?
(31:19):
It's not true.
Okay, okay, I'm correcting it.
Doesn't do that.
Same answer again.
Same thing with astrology.
You told me Mars in Aries isthis.
It's not true, okay, okay, I'mcorrecting it.
Don't kill me.
And that's how it evolved.
Because it evolved, because itworked.
And that's why people riskthemselves in order to work with
astrology, because a lot oftime it was against the
mainstream.
So I always tell people theonly proof that worked for
astrology is because it actuallyworked.
(31:40):
I know it for myself.
People come every six months ora year because what I told them
helped them and made sense tothem and avoided problems for
them.
And one of the other proofs thatI have for astrology, which I
think is the birth of astrology,is, if you think about it, a
long time ago, when we juststarted walking on two, the
pelvis changed.
Women had to give birth.
(32:01):
It was much harder.
A lot of women died givingbirth at that time and it was
very dangerous to have sex withthe caveman because you can get
pregnant and kill your die.
So a clever woman had I'm sureit was a woman had to figure out
that there is a cosmic lock outthere and, according to the
moon, she can decide when tohave sex with the caveman and
not get pregnant.
And that's when astrology wasborn, because the woman
(32:24):
connected the moon to her cycleand then she probably told her
friends that's the birth ofastrology.
So the birth of astrology cameout of the need of women to
survive pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
So it's almost a symbiotic relationship with ebbs
and flows of the cosmos.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Precisely it's linking yourself and sinking to
because of there are, like yousaid, we're stardust, that's
what we are.
We made of stardust wherethat's, that's, that's our
material here stardust, yeah.
So of course, the stars thatare made of stardust and we are
part of it are connected.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
We just have to figure out the language yeah,
and there's, there's always beenmystics, right, there's always
been like the sufism or kabbalah, or you know the merlin.
There's always been thesemystics that have been able to
interpret.
You know the shells or the, youknow whatever, the, you know
the chicken bones or whatever.
The thing is that interpretingyou know the ebb and flow and,
(33:17):
like I said a little bit ago, islike the ebb and flow of the
cosmos, is like how tounderstand and how to in some
way in constellations, time andplace are irrelevant.
You're interpreting a different, the connected morphic field or
whatever.
And that you can use thistechnology to do the same thing
(33:38):
right, to look at it from adifferent perspective, and it
may be the same effect that'shappening that you know, as
facilitators, we do in the field, right in the family system,
but in a much, much larger,grander scale, that can have the
patterns of what the next erasare going to look like and the
next time lapses are going tolook like.
So I, I'm this has reallysparked my.
(34:01):
This conversation has reallysparked my interest in this,
because I've, I've,traditionally, I'm going to be,
I'm going to, you know, be verytransparent, like I
traditionally didn't have a likeI don't know, you know, it's
like it was very yeah, sure,this is what I am, but it gives
this is like a renewedperspective on what that does,
just looking at as anothertechnology, and very practical,
(34:22):
you know you know, for example,pluto, the lord of death and
transformation.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Okay, pluto represents, in the family
constellation of the zodiac,death and transformation.
Pluto hades the underworld, butalso means riches and it moved
once in 250 years into aquariusand it just happened now in
November of last year.
But it was on and off becauseit's a slow planet from 2023.
Anyway, I look to see whathappened last time Pluto was in
(34:48):
Aquarius and, lo and behold, itwas the French revolution and
Aquarius is all about freedom,equality.
So the first time, last timePluto was there, that Aquarius
is also about technology.
It was the industrialrevolution.
Aquarius is all about democracy.
The american constitution waswritten and what is the first
word?
We, the people.
That's precisely aquarius.
That's why I could tell thatnext time pluto is coming to
(35:11):
aquarius, which is now ai willbe very important because that's
technology.
Democracy will be re-evaluatedand look at what's happening
around the world.
You know, diplomacy is almostlike having an autoimmune
disorder, democracy eatingitself in a sense, because
democracy was very good againstdictators, against fascism,
against monarchs, but it can'tbe good against itself.
(35:33):
So pluto in aquarius is kind oflike messing around with that
archetype of democracy andgovernments and technology
innovation.
And that's for the next 20years.
But we know what's going tohappen in the future, based on
what happened in the past andthat's what I kept warning, even
in my book last year Israel,because I went back 250 years,
(35:55):
250 years, 250 years and then Isaw that many, many times ago,
when Pluto was in Aquarius, it'swhen the Roman destroyed the
temple in Israel.
It wasn't even the Romans, itwas the Jews that burned it, but
never mind, it was thedestruction of the second temple
.
And that's why I warn peoplethat listen, you have to really
be careful about what's going onwith the Middle East, because
last time it happened, the wholeproject was destroyed, so be
(36:17):
careful.
Okay, it's not inevitable.
You destroyed, so be careful.
Okay, it's not inevitable.
You still have free will.
You still can listen to thesigns.
It's the same thing.
For example, every time you havea birthday, you have what is
called a solar return.
The sun returns back to theplace it was when you were born.
That's your birthday.
It's a very difficult time.
It's not a happy time.
It's a difficult time,regardless of your age.
Don't tell me, because you getolder, older.
(36:38):
Even kids in their birthday getdisappointed and they get, uh,
wrapped up about what youbrought, what you didn't bring
me, blah blah.
It's a tough day.
That's why we celebratebirthday, because the old
ancestors, our ancestors,realized okay, every time
there's a birthday it's reallytough, let's celebrate it, let's
give them gift, let them treatthem special because it's such a
(36:59):
hard day.
That's how it works.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Wow, well, that's such a cool perspective.
That brings a lot up for mejust to understand a whole
different level of what we are.
One of the things I wanted toask you as this comes up is that
I have this thought is you know, like, the more that we work on
(37:26):
ourselves, the more effectsthat we'll have on our family,
and that more of the family willhave effect on social structure
, right, and then countries, etcetera, et cetera, et cetera?
And do you see this as do yousee using this technology and
the interpretation of thistechnology as a way that we
could say, hey, there's going tobe a tough time to come up,
(37:47):
focus on healing during thisnext time, or this is going to
be an optimal time to rebuildand this is going to be an
optimal time to re-evaluate thissocial contract, or focus on
technology, and that you couldactually govern your life with
this kind of compass?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, because I think that that's what the planets
are.
They're like markers of time.
You know, with the zeitgeist,the idea of zeitgeist in Germany
is basically the spirit of thetime.
So, yeah, there is, let's say,one client that I can tell them
listen, your north node,whatever is in your House of
Relationship, I want you tofocus on relationship, less
about yourself.
Don't be so self-centered, beanother person.
(38:27):
I could say listen, your NorthNode now is marking that you
need to focus on yourrelationship, not on yourself or
on yourself, and not inrelationship or your career,
because things are shifting andchanging.
So that's the beautiful thingabout the chart.
You have your chart that you'reborn with, but the planets are
continuing to move and they'recontinuing to tell stories and
they move around your chart andthat's why things are changing.
(38:49):
You know, people tell me Irecently meet a lot of cancers.
Well, probably in your chartthere is a house, an area in
your life ruled by cancer andthat house is now beaming.
Maybe it's the house of careerand all these cancers are trying
to shine the career in you.
And that's what I said to youin the beginning.
I really think that astrology isa system of psychology
(39:10):
philosophy, because the premiseof astrology is really beautiful
.
It says there is 12 drawers, 12files, and you have to take
everything in life and decideeach one of them, which will
they fit in which drawer?
So, for example, like I said,astrology is ruled by Aquarius.
(39:30):
Aquarius is also the future,aquarius is technology, aquarius
is community, aquarius isaltruism and Aquarius is
humanity.
So, according to astrology,humanity is altruistic DNA,
because it helps us, you know.
Or, for example, gemini Geminiis communication, but it's also
(39:56):
siblings, of course because, ifyou have siblings, you really
learn to communicate with them.
Yeah, as parents is this kind ofcommunication.
Siblings is more this kind ofcommunication, but it's also
roommates.
Oh well, if you have a roommateit's like a brother and a
sister, because your brother andsister might've been in the
same room with you, you know.
So it's really beautiful how,like we said, even cancer is
immovable.
Object land, but also families.
So that's why it forces you tokind of look at life with
(40:19):
different, these 12 colors anddifferent frequencies, and to
really understand life throughthat lens.
That's why I call it a systemof uh um?
Speaker 1 (40:29):
philosophy yeah, I, I , I like that.
My sister's a gemini as well,so it's like you know, and I'm
two years older and she like tothe date like 23, like 23 months
and like three weeks and we'realmost, you know, we're a week,
a week apart and we're verysimilar, you know, and, and our
temperament and how we, sothat's, that's a really cool
she's like your twin yeah, she'slike my twin exactly.
(40:50):
She's a twin that's two yearsyounger.
A really cool.
She's like your twin.
Yeah, she's like my twinExactly.
She's a twin that's two yearsyounger than I am.
Yeah, so how did you, how didyou come across Family
Constellations and what was?
What was the first impressions?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well, I was in Bulgaria, which I'm going in two
days and we're doing someworkshops there as well and, um,
I met a very good friend thatactually brought me to Bulgaria.
To begin with, I met her inIstanbul and my brother is from
Bulgaria, so I saw her sittingwith my brother, my father, who
came to visit me, and talking toher in Bulgarian.
(41:20):
The next thing I know, she tookmy book on Kabbalah and
translated it there ElitzaVelikova she's called, and we
became really, really goodfriends.
She's also an Aries, I'm anAries.
We came like like twins in ourway, and then she got really
into family constellation awhile ago.
She studied for a while afterbeing a therapist uh for, uh for
(41:41):
a while and then we thought itwould be fun, after so many
years of knowing each otheractually, 19 years of knowing
each other to maybe do someworkshops together and I didn't
know how.
So she gave me a bunch of booksto read about family
constellation and I got reallyinto it and I started reading a
lot about ancestral karma,because it suddenly brought a
lot of truth to me.
(42:01):
I can't pretend, you know, it'snot like research.
Okay, now I have to read aboutit.
It's like I'm getting.
I'm getting really sucked intoit and I read amazing books
about it.
Usually, a good book means thatI can cry, not because it's sad
, but because it touches me in acertain way and causes me to
have a physical reaction, and alot of these books made it.
(42:23):
And then when I'm reading thesebooks, because I have that ideas
of astrology, I can immediatelysee how astrology works with it
.
Oops, he says a pattern thathappens every 30 years Saturn
takes 29 and a half years to goaround the sun.
It's a Saturn issue.
Oops, he had it at the age of19.
19 is the nodal return.
So even between reading thebooks about solar family
constellation, I realized howmuch astrology is inside.
(42:46):
So we started doing theseworkshops where there is working
on representation of the sunand the moon instead of father
and mother, because sometimespeople are too attached
emotionally to the father andmother but we can kind of bypass
it through.
No, we're talking about yoursun and your moon.
Your moon is here, your sun isthere, okay.
Now when we get deeper into it,we get more involved into the
(43:07):
energy of your father and mother, or we start talking about Mars
and Venus in order tounderstand patterns in
constellation that have to dowith your relationship.
So that's how I got into it and, yeah, that's what we're going
into in two days in Plovdiv andin Sofia, we're doing a workshop
on Saturn, which is fear.
(43:27):
Trying to get that fear energywith family constellation.
Maybe to find a representativeof your Saturn, which is fear.
Trying to get that fear energywith family constellation.
Maybe to find a representativeof your Saturn, of what you're
afraid of, what you really arescared of.
You know, and we'reexperimenting.
Those people are very open inBulgaria and maybe in Sofia,
because it's called the city ofwisdom, and we bring that from
there.
We started spreading it.
(43:48):
We did some workshops inChicago as well last year.
But it's fascinating to see thecombination, because I tried to
Google online first to see,okay, who's doing family
constellation astrology?
Maybe I can check to see.
I couldn't find anything, so Idecided, okay, we have to
develop it slowly.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
That's such a cool aspect of it.
You know, it's like familyconstellations come in many
shapes and sizes, right there'sshamanic, and you know, with
horses and structuralconstellations, atomic
constellations, and you know, II think I never thought of it
and I'm like this makes all thesense in the world now that you
know and and and yourexplanation is so good that and
(44:27):
you have such a a profound graspof of of the concepts you know
and I think, being a militaryveteran, you know yourself and
I'm a veteran myself, so youknow just the practicality of
coming to spirituality from apractical masculine sense is
such a I think it's such a gift,you know.
So, and putting this together,I'm just fascinated by, by this
(44:49):
and I want to read your booksand I want to really learn more
about this.
When are you coming to SouthFlorida?
Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm coming there on the 14th on Valentine's.
It's very symbolic my firsttime in Miami on Valentine's.
I guess I had my Valentine's inMiami in a past lifetime and
I'm going to be teaching withthe Miami Life Center.
It's a yoga place where we'regoing to do on the 15th about
astrology and on the 16th we'regoing to do a past lifetime
regression, because I work a lotwith past lifetimes.
(45:18):
I find it fascinating, oh,really.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
So we're going to do it and that's going to be on the
16th.
The 16th, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
And how long are you going to be in South Florida?
For 14 to 17.
Okay, and then back to LA,because it's been.
I was just now in Dubai, andbefore that I was in London and
in Milano, so I travel a lot.
I have Sagittarius in the houseof career, which means
traveling.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
And so if, um, if people wanted to get ahold of
you, if they wanted to to tofollow you on your, on your on
this journey, and I wouldimagine that you have a pretty
active Instagram how do peopleget ahold of you?
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, cosmic underscore navigator is my
Instagram and cosmicnavigatorcomis my website and they have
everything there.
There's a lot of free things onmy website because I believe
astrology again is Aquarius,Aquarius is internet and
Aquarius is freedom.
So I believe that on yourwebsite you should have free
things for people so they cancheck out the things that I'm
(46:16):
going to do some readings likeprivate readings there.
All right, Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Beautiful Gal.
I think I hope this is thefirst of many conversations on
constellations and astrology.
I'm really excited about whatthis future is going to look
like.
It's really, really beautiful.
I know Sophie was like you needto talk to God.
I'm like, all right, all right,all right.
So you know we had thisconversation and I'm so glad we
did because it's fascinating mymind's, like you know, my mind's
(46:42):
going a million miles an hour.
So I'm going to definitelyfollow you and I'm very excited
about what the future holds.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Well, thanks a lot and thanks for giving us this
beautiful platform.
And you know, john, john, themeaning of name John is actually
from Hebrew, yohanan, and itmeans God's mercy or God's
compassion.
Which is interesting becauseI'm just thinking about it now,
sorry is that cancer isassociated with St John, because
cancer is the first water sign.
(47:10):
What was john?
He was the baptist.
You know, I baptize you withwater.
The one after me, the true one,will baptize you with fire, etc
.
So the first day of cancer,which is the solstice, is the
day of baptism and your job isto focus on family cancer
constellation, even though yourgemini belonged to the sign
before, because the solstice isright between gemini cancer.
(47:32):
That's the borderline between Ithink, which is Gemini, to I
feel, which is water.
So it's interesting that youwere called John.
Again, I believe you namedyourself and just whispered it
to your mother.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, my second name is Andrew Andres.
It's in Spanish, so it's Andrewis andres is the human.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
So it's also fascinating, because you need to
remind yourself that you'rehuman, that you're not alien,
that you're not an angel, angelyou're not a spirit, you're a
human.
So remember baptizing humans.
And acosta, costa is uh, to the, to the shore, to yeah to the
coast.
Well, I rest my case.
(48:15):
You're not baptizing in rivers,you prefer to baptize people in
the sea.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
In the ocean, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Andale, a la Costa.
That was beautiful.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, carl, thank you so much.
This has been awesome.
I can't wait for our nextconversation, man.
Hopefully we can do a lot moreof these, so I'm fascinated by
your journey and how youdeveloped this and, of course,
you're a guest.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
If you want to come to any of the classes or
anything, you're more thanwelcome.
Just let me know.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, I'd love to and I'd love to connect while here
in Miami.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
So I'll come see you and take you out to lunch and
we'll connect.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, Thank you so much.
Thanks a lot.
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