August 22, 2025 • 55 mins
In this episode of the Zulu One podcast, I sit down with osteopath Candice Nesrallah, whose unique path through life and healing has shaped her integrative approach to bodywork and family constellations.
After high school, Candice set out on a world journey, soaking in cultures from China to Australia while working in a variety of roles. That experience led her to Sutherland Chan Massage Therapy College, where she graduated as a Registered Massage Therapist in 2007. Fueled by wanderlust, she continued exploring countries like Thailand, Cambodia, and Tanzania, diving deeper into alternate health practices. Her career later advanced in Vancouver before she moved to Toronto, where over the past decade she completed medical acupuncture training at McMaster University and graduated from the Canadian College of Osteopathy’s seven-year program in 2021.
Today, Candice is focused on publishing her thesis on life force energy within osteopathy and brings her enriched perspective into every therapy session, helping clients access their innate capacity to heal. Together, we explore how energetic fields shape the body, why healing starts with noticing what’s *not right* instead of what’s wrong, and how systemic constellations align beautifully with osteopathy’s principles.
This is a fascinating conversation about alignment, energy, and healing that bridges cultures, modalities, and wisdom traditions.
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For the purposes of this podcast, the interviewee used the term 'Osteopath' to refer to the profession as a whole. It's important to note that 'Osteopath' is a trademarked title for American D.O.s, while in Canada, we are recognized as Osteopathic Manual Practitioners. Candice Nesrallah is an Osteopathic Manual Practitioner. Additionally, the term 'diagnose' falls outside the scope of practice for Canadian Osteopathic Manual Practitioners and was used here solely to describe findings in the context of this podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, welcome to the Zulu One Podcast.
Today I'm joined by CandiceNasrallah, an osteopath whose
journey through global healingtraditions has shaped a deeply
integrative approach.
From massage therapy toacupuncture to a seven-year
osteopath program, candicebrings a wide lens to the body's
wisdom.
We explore how she weavesfamily constellations into her
(00:22):
work, the power of energeticfields and why healing begins by
noticing what's not rightrather than what's wrong.
Let's get into it, candice.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hi John.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Long time no see.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Long time no see.
I heard you might be going backto Scottsdale soon.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, we were talking about planning another workshop
.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And seeing what the days look like.
So we connected with a grouplocally that are very familiar
with family consolation.
So we're working on planningwhat the next kind of series of
consolation is going to looklike.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh well, I'm actually going to be there too.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
You are.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, oh nice.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
When are you going?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm going on the 28th .
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The 28th of May.
Yeah, oh, nice, nice, you going, I'm going on the 28th, the
28th of May, yeah.
Oh, nice, nice we might be ableto work something together.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That'd be really cool if it worked out, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I'm going to be there until the 2nd of June.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Okay, good, yeah, been several months since, since
the workshop, and you know, I,I, um, I watched the podcast
that you did with Tammy on onyour work, right, the work with
the body, and I was veryinterested in getting your
perspective, because it seemslike the podcast that you guys
(01:58):
did was like right before we haddone the workshop, and I'd love
to hear your thoughts, fromyour perspective, of what's
happened over the last couplemonths, um, and if you gained
any insights or kind of whatyour experience was like I know
there's like uh, like a rippleeffect from the session that we
(02:20):
did and I think I think, likesome of the maybe the more
family issues that werehappening around that time, I
feel like there wasenergetically.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
They shifted sort of on their own or there was, there
was a change, whether Iinitiated it or not or someone
else initiated it.
It just felt like there wassome kind of ripple effect that
shifted the dynamic of therelationships in my family over
the last few months and I can'treally explain it or what it was
(03:02):
that shifted.
But there is more of a comingtogether or more of a let's
start in this moment now andsort of allow that past to kind
of resolve.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, I mean that's what it working looks like.
You know that the conflictsthat used to exist in the family
system kind of dissipate andthere's an aspect of the oxygen
is taken out of the conflict andthe fire, rather than this
being this raging fed, repeatedraging fire that it just like
(03:51):
starts turning the gas off alittle bit on it and then, and
then, little by little, itreverberates through the whole
family.
It's, it's really weird I dothis.
I've been doing this for yearsand it doesn't make any sense
yeah, I guess it's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It is also intention.
So I guess the intention ofhealing, of stepping into the
space that you're creating, ofbeing open to the change and the
unfolding, then that must justcreate the unwinding of the
(04:33):
tension that was being held.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, and have you?
I know that you do osteopathy.
Is that that's correct?
Yeah, the correct pronunciationMm-hmm, and that's work with a
body Correct, yeah.
And do you feel and I've I'venoticed this with people is that
touch is such a prime sensethat you know, you, almost you
(05:00):
get into somebody's field,almost you know, like their
energetic field?
Does that happen to you whenyou're working with somebody?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, definitely there is kind of like a coming
in from outside moving inwardtowards the physical or the
denser part of the structure,part of the structure, um, and
(05:30):
so typically, um, there's moreof like a distortion that
happens in the energy field andthen over time that distortion
ends up manifesting as physicalsymptoms.
So you can, like you can, kindof correct the physical symptoms
by correcting the energeticfield.
It's kind of similar to whatyou, what we just did with with
(05:50):
the, with the trauma healing.
It's like we came into thespace, we worked together, we
released the tension of thetrauma and then through, through
that work, and then throughthat work, it, it, it create, it
kind of corrected the physical,the physical manifestation of
my family trauma or whateverissues going on.
(06:12):
So it's kind of like that it'slike you come in from outside,
going in to make the changeswithin.
So you can oh wow you can kindof correct the energetic field
and by correcting the field youcorrect the physical.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And do you see that?
You know, with that you'redealing with your clients over
many, many instances that thingsstart releasing as they start?
You know that maybe they had ashoulder, that they were at a
problem with the shoulder, thatthat starts releasing over time
and it just gradually gets forlack of a better term
unentangled or less dense.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, exactly, it can sometimes happen
instantaneously, right on thetreatment table.
It can you know, because a lotof what osteopathy is like.
To be a good osteopath, youneed to have presence and you
need to have palpation, which isyou know, you need to be able
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to understand how to find thestructure and treat the
structure.
So you have to have a palpatory, fine, fine-tuned sensory
experience of of your, of yourhands on a patient, and then you
also need to have sort of poweror potency or energy within
yourself to help the otherperson make the change within
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them.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So you almost have to be a line structure yourself,
conduit of that energy or thatmovement that you're like, a
clear vessel of that work.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's the ideal that movement that you're like a
clear vessel of that of thatwork.
That's the ideal and and that'san ongoing journey.
For an osteopath, I think it'slike, and for any human really,
it's the, it's sort of theongoing journey towards reaching
a higher consciousness, or Godconsciousness or whatever it is
(08:07):
you want to call it, but, like,always striving for that
evolution of self and that will,that type of um, that type of
work really helps you to anchorinto the present moment, the
mindfulness, the mindfulness,the, the sort of like the
(08:29):
stillness, and within thatstillness you create that, yeah,
you would create a channel thathelps the energy flow through
you, into um, into the patient,and then and then with your,
with your intention, you canmake changes instantaneously
within the tissue, or sometimes,depending on the client or the
(08:53):
severity of the issue, or eventhe capacity for that client to
let go of whatever it is that'scausing their pain, all play
into the factors of like howlong things resolve, how long it
takes something to resolve.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Wow, and how?
How long does it take theeffects?
Do you see a pattern in that?
Does it?
Sometimes it's instantaneousand up up to several years, or
is that?
How does that timeline work?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
um, it really depends on the patient.
It really depends, because itdepends on how clear the
container is of the patient with, let's say, like long-standing
(09:50):
chronic issues that havecompensated over compensation,
over compensating, like kind ofbuilding that onion layer of
trauma.
Then it's like how manytreatments is it really going to
take to keep sort of peelingback those layers so that you
kind of eventually get to theroot cause of what's going on in
in the pain complex or whateverit is that they're presenting
(10:12):
with?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
almost like a compounding effect of a trauma
right that they've that'scompounded over years with
people compensating with, youknow, tending to it or
overcompensating for it and andalmost babying the, and then you
have secondary and tertiaryeffects on the body.
That's, that's fascinating.
Yeah, I can't imagine how yeah,and then it can.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It can be also like the consciousness of the patient
and where they're at and wheretheir belief systems lied and do
they believe that they can getbetter?
Do they want to get better?
Do they believe that whatyou're doing is helpful?
Uh, are they really ready totruly let go of that issue?
(10:56):
And then, like, do they havethe vitality to like heal them,
like for the body to help?
Like, do they have the vitalityto like heal them, like for the
body to help restore andregenerate and renew itself?
Are they?
Are they like, um?
Are they holding that, thatpower within?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Hmm, you know it, it almost seems like there this um,
I love Gabor Mate, I'm a, I'm a.
I like his book.
When, when the Body Says no,you know that that that physical
ailment is almost used as avessel for the trauma to be
manifest and that it has apurpose.
You know, in some ways, thatthe physical ailment has a
(11:37):
purpose to be there because it'strying to bring attention to
something else.
Trying to bring attention tosomething else, and do you see,
when you remove that, that theperson says, oh, I can finally
deal with this psychologicalthing that they're processing
through.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, exactly, there's like in osteopathy.
We talk about the lesion whichis sort of maybe, let's say just
like the dysfunction ofwhatever it is that's happening.
So the idea in osteopathy islike you don't go looking for
(12:14):
what's wrong, you go looking forwhat's not going right.
Oh, so you're like, you're notlooking for the the symptom,
like in western medicine.
Right, you got you're.
You're treating the symptom,not the cause, not the root not,
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not the actual problem.
So it's like what is not goingright in the body that ends up
creating what's actually what'snow presenting as going wrong.
So it's, in a way, like we'relooking for what's not going
right.
So you, you, when you'reworking with the structure and
(12:55):
with the tissues, the idea isnot to go into, uh, the lesion
itself.
You don't go into the darkness,you go trying to find where is
the light within that darkness,because it's that light that's
actually going to release what'sgoing with what the lesion is.
(13:18):
It's going to, it's going totransmute the lesion and then
allow the thing to resolve.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Oh, wow, yeah, it's like that's fascinating.
In in in constellation work, welook for the block Okay, like
what is not in alignment.
(13:49):
So it's very similar with howthe that works with, with, with
your you know, with yourmodality, and it's just
fascinating how all these thingskind of meet in the middle, you
know, and a fascinating thingit's like, when somebody has a
disorder in the family system,that's usually because
something's not aligned systemand a digestive system and all
of our cells down to you know,the most basic components of who
(14:11):
we are.
But we also are individualsthat are part of a family system
and we both have parents and wehave siblings or not, or you
know family members, and thenwe're part of a community.
So it's deep, systemic work ona physical, you know, on a
physical realm.
That's been very fascinating tome.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Have you, have you seen that, that after you've
done the, the constellation,have you seen different effects
in your work?
Have you seen that?
To be more open to intuition Isthat, is it still the same, or
has that affected it at all?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Hmm, I mean, it's hard to say, it's hard to say
what, like, I feel like my workis expands exponentially on a
progressive level.
So, like every everything,including family constellations
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level.
So, like every everything,including family constellations,
is sort of opening and clearingand allowing my, my house, to
become clearer and clearer andclearer, and so, for sure, that
was a moment in time that helpedto facilitate, uh, another
layer of uh film coming off ofmy window.
Um, yeah, I definitely.
(15:29):
I definitely feel like in thelast few months, since I guess
it was january, um, there havebeen some like interesting
shifts in my work, as well aslike new creative, uh, new
creative avenues that I feellike I've opened up to oh,
(15:52):
that's beautiful yeah so tell mea little bit about how you got
into this work.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
How did you know you seem very connected, very
intuitive, um, very aligned.
How did you, how did you jumpinto the work that you're doing
now?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I feel like the work kind of found me.
I talked a little bit about it,uh, with Tammy in the podcast
with her, but I think, to behonest, like I didn't have a
very good, um, formative years,uh, experience, and I felt quite
(16:27):
lost coming out of high school.
I didn't really have muchparental guidance in terms of,
you know, following the norm ofgoing to university after school
and and I didn't really haveclear direction.
So I I actually ended up justdeciding that, on a whim, that I
(16:48):
was going to teach Englishabroad as like kind of my next
stepping stone for experience,and anyway, that stepping stone
kind of continued on for a verylong time.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
For years you went on an adventure.
It sounds like.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, on for a very long time.
For years you went on anadventure, it sounds like, yeah,
I um.
And then when I came back frommy adventure, I started working
in a, in a, in a restaurant, ina bar or whatever, and it was
anyway it was.
It was an employee of this bar.
That kind of introduced me to amassage therapy school okay,
and he, I never, never, really.
I mean, I didn't really knowwhat I wanted to do.
I thought maybe paramedics.
(17:30):
I thought maybe nursing.
I was kind of in the realm oflike going down that road in
terms of like health andsciences, but I didn't really
understand how I was going toget there or what the path was
going to be.
And so when this personintroduced me to the school that
he was going to, it kind ofopened a door for me to to be
(17:51):
like, oh, I can actually kind ofgo through this avenue, which I
didn't even know really existed.
I it wasn't in my consciousnessto go to massage therapy school
.
I was thinking like, yeah,maybe paramedics or nursing or I
don't know, physio or something.
But I didn't have any likeacademic background and I felt
(18:12):
kind of, I felt veryintimidating, intimidated to go
to university.
I just didn't feel like I hadthe capability to university.
I just didn't feel like I hadthe capability.
So anyway, I ended up inmassage therapy school in 2005.
And then that was sort of thethe road.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, I've, I've seen that a lot of people that
almost have this intuitivehealing capacity, that are a lot
more in the in the tactileworld, uh, get into massage
therapy and then you are, youknow, literally working through
people's pain, right, it'swhether that's through massage
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therapy or that's throughdifferent modalities that use
the body, but you are literally,you know, manipulating their
energetic field, right, and I'veseen people that you know start
sobbing, right, or that havethis, these profound emotional
releases that people have theirstuff stored up, right, there's
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people that weren't touched as achild, right, that they weren't
, they didn't feel theiraffection of their mother or
their father, or they were, theywere maybe isolated and cold,
and and suddenly you have thisrelease because they got an
injury that somebody'sphysically touching them and
they haven't experienced whatthat looks like and it just it's
such a, it's such a beautifulpractice, I think, to give
somebody that gift, to say to,to get that intimate with
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somebody and be of service.
So I I'm just always interestedon those tracks and then how
people, on that almost umintroduction to healing, start
developing into other otherflavors of the modality, if that
makes sense yeah, exactly kindof was a gateway, yeah exactly
like a gateway into feeling howpeople structure my, my, um, my
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cousin owns a hair salon and youknow she was.
She was telling me how much um,so she's been doing
constellations for years becausethe whole family's into it and
you know she was.
She went to to school forsocial work and she's a social
work counselor but then went tobeauty school and then, you know
, has a salon and the salon islike a place of healing and
(20:30):
self-care place of healing.
I'm not entirely sure what tocall it, but she talks about how
much people open up whenthey're they're getting their
hair done or you know they'regoing through, you know their
their beautification processRight, and they're like they
feel good about themselves andthey're they're really opening
up.
But the kind of secondary sideeffect is how much people dump
(20:54):
their trauma on you, Right, andit's like how do you in your
work protect yourself ormaintain a safe boundary with
that?
How you, how do you, how do younavigate that?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
yeah, I mean, that's also been a very progressive, uh
, learning experience.
Um, I'd say, in massage therapythey kind of like briefly touch
on that concept, but you're notreally fully understanding it
in the way that you, in the waythat you should, in the way that
you should, but like for manyyears cause I was a massage
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therapist for, I think, 13 yearsor something, and and I used to
like it would be about like Iwould really want to like make
sure that the client was happy,that I did a good job, that like
I like, that I gave the deeptissue that I was, that I was,
(21:48):
like you know, doing everythingI could to make this person feel
better.
And I feel like I kind of overgave um with my treatments and I
I even when I felt like, oh,like my elbow is hurting or my
shoulders hurting or my back ishurting, I would still give as
(22:08):
much as I could for each person.
Oof yeah type of um, that typeof situation, like you end up
kind of burning out because youdon't.
Not only are you taking onother people's energy, but then
you don't have your ownboundaries for your own energy,
(22:29):
and so you typically a massagetherapist really does burn out.
They say the lifespan isactually eight years.
Really, um, really but literallywhen I, when I I was, I was um,
I had been thinking like in mylate 20s, early 30s, I was like,
okay, I can't keep doing thisat this pace.
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Like I can't, I don't want tobe a massage therapist for the
rest of my life.
Like how can I incorporatesomething else into this already
formed thing without losingwhat I've accomplished?
But then, kind of like beingable to give healing in a
different way so that I'm notoverextending myself so
(23:15):
physically all the time,especially as I get older.
Um, because I was obviously inmy 20s when I was in school, so,
um, so now as an osteopath, um,when I work, the work to like
(23:36):
come through me rather than fromme.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
So, Okay.
That's my, you know, like I justallow it to come through.
And so then I'm not taking onpeople's energy because a I'm
not giving from, I'm not justgiving from me, I'm giving from
source.
And then at the end of atreatment, I like kind of, or
(24:04):
whatever, out of the equationduring treatment and just like
allow myself to be a conduit of,of and transmission of of the
(24:29):
work, and then I feel like I cando this work without, without
feeling so depleted and and um,not take on other people's
energies yeah, yeah, I couldimagine that you know if you're
almost the lack of a better termbut white knock, knuckling the
(24:51):
trauma dough right of somebody's, you know that you're pulling
from your reservoir like I gottago to sleep, I gotta eat, I
gotta be in the right headspace.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I've've got to not have a, you know, difficult
conversation with somebody thatI care about.
That all you know like all thatstuff is like if I'm not on
that you're, you know if, andespecially even if you're in
your own head right While you'regoing through the process,
would be almost an impossiblething to keep up for for period
of time.
So I definitely see how thatcould become a problem.
(25:21):
But you know, that shift issuch a cool shift to say it's
not me, I'm just kind of thisconduit of whatever life force
thing that's infinite andabundant and has all the
resources in the entire you knowexistence, then I'm a conduit
for this thing and I can alwaystap into it, and then I just
have to be mindful of um,cleaning those things up, and
(25:44):
then you keep moving forward andyou're, and you're able to have
a, a sustained, successfulcareer.
Um, how, how difficult was thattransition to make?
And like what?
How did you make that choice?
How did you say I can't holdthis up very long, I've got to
shift to something else.
And then the realization ofbeing able to do that.
How did that come about?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Hmm, I think it came about just internally.
I just felt like I had reachedthe limits with massage therapy
in terms of what I was, what Ihad accomplished.
Like I had my own clinic and Iwas working, you know, full time
and everything was good and butI felt like I was, I was
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reaching a limited capacitywithin myself and and then and
then with patients, and therewas two routes I could have gone
.
I could have just kept my Ihave my, I do have my massage
therapy license still, but Icould have just stayed in
massage therapy and then I couldhave done just a ton of
(26:52):
continuing educational courses,going more deeply into cranial,
sacral or visceral manipulationor nerve, uh, nervous system
stuff.
There was there's many routesin which I could have taken to
kind of stay in the same, uh,registered body of massage
(27:14):
therapy and but just expand myknowledge, Um, but for some
reason that didn't feel like itwas the answer.
I felt like if I was gonna goand do all of those courses that
I wanted, like I wanted like apaper at the end of it all, that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, that makes that paper right there.
Yeah, all the hard work rightyeah, but then.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But then, but like you know, in hindsight the paper
is just a paper.
Nobody knows.
That thing is even on the wall.
And it wasn't until my dad came, like a few years later, after
I had finished, and he's like Ithought I framed those diplomas
for you and I was like, yeah,you did.
They're sitting up in thecupboard.
He's like, well, you got to putit on the wall.
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And I'm in the cupboard he'slike, well, you gotta put it on
the wall.
And I'm like, okay, fine, butlike at the time, actually at
the time when I startedosteopathy, it actually it
actually did.
It was a driving factor.
I wanted the paper.
And uh, I remember when I wentto, uh, to an osteopath with
tammy, actually she brought meto my first osteopathic
(28:19):
appointment and she was having atreatment and I was sitting in
the waiting room and I just sawthis diploma of physio and
diploma of osteo and thisdiploma and diploma of
acupuncture, and this guy hadall the diplomas up on the wall
and I was like, oh, I want that,you know.
(28:39):
And so that's kind of why Itransitioned into the program
instead of just going intocontinuation courses, like for
massage therapy, because they'reall like very relevant to
massage.
Osteopathy is just the naturalprogression to learn more deeper
about structure and anatomy andphysiology and treatment
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processes, and it's just anatural progression.
So, yeah, I just rememberopening that door on the first
day and being like this is thefirst day of like the next seven
years of my life.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Aye yi, yi, aye, aye, aye.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So that was a slog.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I would imagine that's a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It was a long time To be able to do it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
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You know it seems like they golike I see this track that it's
like you go more physical or yougo more systemic.
You know it's almost like yougo into the emotions or you go
more into the physicals, likeunderstanding and massage
therapy, how you can treatnerves and more intricate
situations that the person isgoing through, or you can go is
that, am I understanding thatcorrectly?
Or you can go more.
The holistic view of sayingthis is probably, you know, the,
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the physical has a, has a pit,has a like, kind of like this is
the end of our understandingand the spiritual is kind of
super open and abundant and youknow you can kind of go anywhere
with that.
Is that, is that?
Are you noticing that?
Is that how that track playsout, or is it?
Or is it a bit different?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Uh, my own personal track.
Yeah, my own personal trackwent from like, like you know,
you can't get to it unless yougo deeper and firmer and
stronger and more physical, tonow almost like to the point
where well, actually to thepoint where now I can treat
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people at a distance, throughenergy, through intention.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So it's gotten that, it's gotten to like that type of
finesse or fineness or and isit something that you like when
you, when you do the work, thatyou tune into where somebody has
their entanglement or they havethe the, the pain, or they have
that lesion that you can,almost, when you see somebody,
(31:18):
that you can see where they're,where they're holding that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, you can see it.
You can see it as a pattern.
Typically, I see it as apattern.
Um that yeah.
So like there's, there's also,it's hard because there's also
pattern and then when you removethat pattern, there's another
pattern and then when you removethat pattern, there's another
pattern.
Okay, that makes sense it kindof goes, it kind of gets deeper
(31:43):
and deeper.
Uh, so kind of, when you, whenpeople come to me, usually the
first treatment, sometimes thefirst treatment is extremely
profound for some people, butother times it takes a couple of
treatments to really get downto the root of this issue or
whatever, or even just not eventhe root, but maybe just like a,
(32:04):
a, a more, uh, a more, a layer.
That's kind of like a littlebit heftier part of the problem.
Yeah, Cause sometimes the meatand potatoes of the lesian.
Exactly, yeah.
So it's like I see it as apattern and I typically work
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like the session is like an hourright.
So I see this pattern and thenI work with the body to dissolve
this pattern for today, thispattern for today, and, um, and
I would kind of like look at itin terms of like a sheet or like
a shirt, like like our ourfascial sort of connective
(32:49):
tissue, uh, or this form.
It's like if I pull my shirt,you can see that like like even
up all the way to your shoulder.
It gets right, like even up uphere so like or, and then it
starts pulling from over hereand like, so you're kind of like
fall.
I anyway, this is my ownversion of it, but I kind of
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just unlock those that thatpattern for that day oh, I see,
yeah, and so when?
you know, if you were to comefor a treatment and and I worked
on you for that hour and then Ireleased that pattern, and then
you go off for the next monthor two, whenever you decide to
come back and like, in that timeframe you, uh, you were
(33:38):
shoveling snow and you youcranked your back, or like you
had an argument with your fatherand then you, you annoyed your
wife and she's upset at like,and then so all of these things
are coming into your field andcoming back into into your
physical and then when you comehere the next time, there's a
(33:58):
whole other pattern becausethere's so many other things
that have been added on top ofon top, or you know, yeah, Like
it's kind of like life.
right, it's like you roll thatproverbial rock up the mountain
only for it to roll back downagain.
Yeah, so we're constantlyadding things to our field which
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reflect in our physical, andthat can be tricky because
there's a lot of things that wecan't really see that's
influencing our field and ourenergy system, which then
reflects our physical system.
So you know, likeelectromagnetic field, wi-fi
signals, cell phones, all ofthese things that are
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interrupting and causing thiskind of polluted field,
chemicals in the air, whateverthat is that you put on your
body, food we eat, blah, blah,blah.
The behavioral patterns, theemotional pattern, all of this
is kind of like causing adistortion in your field.
And so when a person comes fortreatment, it's like, yeah, I
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saw you a month ago, but whathappened in between that time,
whereas, like now, I have tokind of reassess what's
happening with you in thispresent moment.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
now, and do you see that people I would imagine
people get to talking during theprocess, right, and that they
suddenly release something thatthey've never talked about, or
that they're suddenly getting tosome pretty deep layered stuff?
Does that happen as well?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It definitely happens .
And then, like you said, likewith your own personal work,
like with with constellations,it's like sometimes it happens
after and between right, likesometimes, you know, some people
are not at the point where theycan let go on the table.
I'm the type of person that cancry easily, so I can definitely
(35:57):
let go as the treatment ishappening in real time.
But some people need like theirown space, or they need to be
at home or they need to have afew days to process the
treatment and then and then theymight have their emotional um
release at that point.
But for sure, people have um,they have emotional releases on
(36:20):
the table or or or a lot of thetimes too, it's like right after
the treatment, when they sit upand it's like oh, wow, there's
a lot that's actually coming outright now, like coming like
kind of welling up oh, wow, yeah, you see people that run
marathons.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
you know that they have these extreme.
You know physical exertionsthat suddenly all the emotions
come in, that were pent up, thatthat the body keeps the score
of Right, that that were.
You know we have everythingpent up that we haven't
processed, because our bodiesare so intuitive and they're so
intelligent that they protect usin so many, in so many ways so
(37:01):
intelligent that they protect usin so many, in so many ways,
yeah, and also the world doesn'tallow us to really get that
deep.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It always has us in a state of perpetual distraction,
and so whenever we'redistracted or we numb ourselves
with distractions, then we don'treally have, um, the capacity
to like, feel and release andlet go, because that's really
happening in a, in a state ofstillness, not in a state of
scrolling or video streaming orpartying or whatever you know
(37:31):
yeah, the visual, visual junkfood and dopamine, you know,
assault on our, on our brains.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
That is just really designed to keep us stuck.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Right?
Is that like if I had to designa trauma activation machine?
As much as benefit and socialmedia has benefits but I would
activate something that and Idon't think it's like by design.
I don't think that there's knowsome evil.
You know council that sitsaround saying these are how
we're going to manipulate thesepeople.
(38:02):
It's just they work because wedon't understand trauma and
systems and if you keep hittingthis button, people are going to
get activated and they'llengage more and the algorithms
are built to for engagement.
Right, it's like I want to.
I want to get you the mostoutraged.
And if you end up saying I'mgoing to clean my algorithm and
I'm only going to look up HopeCore or slash puppy videos,
(38:26):
slash cute cat videos, like youalmost sanitize your algorithm
and the more healing you do, thecleaner that algorithm gets,
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
yeah, I mean, I've seen a shift in my own lifestyle
for sure over over my course ofhealing.
It's like my life is justsimplified and simplified, and
simplified, and cleaner, andcleaner, and cleaner.
Um and and.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
And like that's sort of been my life journey in terms
of being able to process mytrauma.
You can show up.
The more you can be present,the more you can, you know, just
not carry stuff that doesn'tbelong to you.
You know, that's why I'm sofascinated by this work, because
you know we carry so much stuffthat doesn't literally doesn't
belong to us.
It's like I didn't do this.
This is from my lineage.
(39:31):
It has nothing to do with me.
Take it back.
I don't want it, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, transmute it.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, exactly Exactly .
And that's, you know, I dothose exercises of you know,
giving back the pain, and theseexercises.
I have these, you know, veryspecialized trauma balls that
you can buy at five and belowSand, filled basically like
little weights, and you say thisis a trauma ball and then you
put your ancestors behind youand you say in love, I took it,
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in love, I give it back and youphysically give it back, right
right and all it is is a.
It was like four dollars yeahlittle sand filled, uh, like
medicine ball, you know, and andit has just this profound
effect of people gettingtogether, establishing, you know
, service for each other thatcan do this profound healing
work.
You know, I spoke at an eventyesterday and people are just
starving for this stuff.
You know, service for eachother that can do this profound
healing work.
(40:20):
You know, I spoke at an eventyesterday and people are just
starving for this stuff.
You know, they're they're readyand they're starving for
healing and they're sick andtired of being sick and tired.
You know, to use a cliche, andpeople just want to be present
and want to heal and want togive back stuff, and they don't
have the blueprint or thelanguage to be able to do it.
And present and want to healand want to give back stuff, and
(40:40):
they don't have the blueprintor the language to be able to do
it.
And it's just such a powerfulthing and and I I always go back
to your guys' consolation itwas just so beautiful.
It was just so beautiful.
It's like a sacred space and Iwas very emotionally moved by it
, because I've been doingconsolations for many years but
I haven't seen a group that thattakes such good care of each
other and it was just.
It was profoundly moving.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, it was a special.
It was a special time in thatmoment in time in that place and
everyone came from all over theworld to show up for Tammy and
and no one really knew what toexpect.
And you held the space with youand your mom and it was so
beautifully done and, likeintuitively, you had such a
(41:23):
great presence and you knewexactly how to um, how to allow
people to let go.
Even you know, even even theones that had a harder time, you
were like, oh okay, well, thismight not work with this person,
so we'll do it more like that.
And it was really cool to watchyou and your mom facilitate.
(41:46):
And it was interesting to seehow, with the group because I
didn't know all of them either,I knew some of them, but when
you, I don't know we all justcame together and like we
processed each other's traumaand like, even though it wasn't
your own trauma, you were stillcrying for their trauma and like
(42:07):
you were still processing.
You were processing trauma thatwasn't yours but could have
been yours in another lifetimeor or it could have, could have
been in a in a way affecting you.
You didn't know.
So it it was really a cool thingto go through and then, after
doing so many years of therapyand my own personal growth, like
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you brought this element to thesession that I'd never like, an
aspect of the healing that I'dnever seen before.
Like you know, when you I waskind of like going into it and I
was like, oh, what am I goingto rehash today, cause you know,
you got to come up with yourthing.
(42:50):
And I'm like man, what am Igoing to do this again?
Like I'm going to go throughthis story again.
And but then you, you shone alight light on it, on it in a
totally different way, which Iwas kind of like wow, was that
the like missing link?
Was that like the last thing Ineeded to hear?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
yeah, yeah and, and you know, I feel, um, like that,
I can't take any credit for it.
You know, it's like it kind ofvery similar to to what we, what
we about now.
Right, it's like I can't.
I can't take any credit for it.
I'm just there, as then itsounds so ridiculous to say and
I'm almost embarrassed to say,but like a vessel, like you know
(43:31):
kind of situation, that you'rethere in service to the process
and it's like I brought justthat factor to it.
That's it Like I literally wasthe person that brought that
ability there.
And it was like you guys did thework.
It's just so beautiful andthat's why I'm such a fan of it
that you can just and I, I likepeople, say thank you and I'm
(43:52):
like I don't thank me foranything.
You guys didn't work, you guysdid the hard, hard work, and I
just have to shut up and bethere and just be like okay, and
it just kind of kind of works.
And it's just um, and when Isee that and I see people show
up for each other in that wayand in in such grace, and
because I don't know how else todefine it, but like divine
(44:13):
grace, is what the word thatkeep, that kept coming up for me
when, when you guys wereworking, it was like it was.
It was really truly beautiful.
It was so touching, it was somoving, yeah yeah, yeah, it was
a good time, yeah yeah, I wasreally excited about, um, you
know, getting your guys'sthoughts afterwards about what,
uh, what had come up for me,especially from your perspective
(44:34):
, because you are, you know, inthis world of of working with
people and and really gettinginto people's, you know, into
the nitty-gritty and and andvery operational for lack of a
better term right of how peopleoperate on their bodies is to
say, like how this complementssomething like that, because I'm
I'm always about, um, you know,almost compounding modalities.
(44:58):
Right, there's people that dofamily constellations with
horses, there's people that dofamily constellations with
horses, there's people that dofamily constellations with
systems and there's some calledstructural constellations that
are, that are, they're almostlike algebra, it's like with
little figurines, and they'revery algebraic.
And then I was like, oh well,this would be really interesting
and I was kind of thinkingabout this like somebody that
(45:18):
does work with the body, to beable to process through this and
understand, from yourperspective after doing the work
, what that would, how wouldthat would show up in your work
as well, and I'm I was justreally fascinated about how, how
, your perspective on it yeahand um and yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I wonder if there's some kind of way to enmesh the
two.
Do you ever hold constellationpractices or circles with body
work?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
We've done.
Are you familiar with breathwork?
You know people that do the,the, the breath work yeah a lot
of people do they'll compound.
They'll not compound, butthey'll combine um breath work
with family constellations, andso that's like it really gets
you into your body like thebreath work just really really
gets you.
You know like it's like aworkout.
(46:20):
You're like geez man.
I didn't know I had to work sohard to do this, but you know
just like there's such acathartic process to do that and
then you open up with that andthen you do into constellations
yeah, so I've always been like,how do you, how do you do like,
or you know, some people aredoing ecstatic dance and then
constellations and then just anyway where you can just really
(46:40):
get present and I think physicalwork does that, like physical
touch does that to say you'rehere, you're now, we're not
going anywhere.
You can't scroll on your phone,you can't escape, you can't cut
into your mind, you literallyare feeling the pain go through
your body and then to have that,that release like hey, you, hey
, you know, when you're, becausethe, the, the body also has
(47:02):
systemic sides, right.
So the left side is mom, theright side is dad and all of
these.
You know, over the years peoplehave correlated constellations
with different parts of the body.
You know, there's parts of thebodies that are that are related
to the siblings.
It's like, oh, how's your, youknow, how's your relationship
with your sister, or how's yourrelationship with one of your
siblings, because this pain thatmay be in your arm is coming
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from that side.
So you can combine.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
I would see kind of in the future where you can
combine the two and ask thosesystemic questions through it
and they could even saysomething that you're doing,
almost a you knowo consolation,you know yeah yeah, I mean I
think there are like theredefinitely are practitioners
that do more like somatic bodywork, so they they're like
(47:52):
giving cues and promptingcertain like reflections, that
kind of like help you tofacilitate the release on the
table too.
Yeah, I sometimes do that, butI'm not at the level I mean I've
never done somatic therapy,like I've never learned it for
(48:15):
one.
Sometimes I have intuitiveimpulses that lead me to ask or
prompt a certain question.
Um, or I'll say, or I'll seesomething like typically, you
know, with when a client comesand they have to fill out this
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long questionnaire and healthhistory or whatever, and then
you know, let's say you're inyour 40s or 50s or 60s and you
don't really remember half thestuff on this form anyways.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Right you don't remember.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
There's so many people like they forget about
the injuries they've had or theexperiences they've had, and
then I'll immediately be drawnto one area in their body and
then I'll have my hands on itand they'll be like oh, they'll
sit up.
Oh, I forgot to tell you thattwo years ago I fell off a horse
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and broke my foot or somethingand I'm like but why, you didn't
remember that?
Yeah, but they they startremembering as I go through the
body and start touchingdifferent areas.
Then they start remembering ohyeah, there was this thing that
caused this thing that you know,that is in relation, and
they're like, they're surprisedthat I find this area in them
(49:36):
right away.
They're like, oh, why did yougo there right away?
And I'm like it's well, it'sbecause it's telling me right
here that this is like.
You know, this is not, uh, thisis not expressing life force.
It has no vitality.
It's just like this is like adead board.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, that's why I went there yeah, that makes that
makes all the sense in theworld that you have.
You know, people sit in thechairs like, so what would you
like to work on?
They're like nothing and you'relike okay.
And you know they're like, ohso did anything happen?
And they're like no, well, Iwas hit by a truck when I was
five and you're like, you know,you, you just have this like
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huge revelation that peopleminimize, protect, you know,
whatever that thing is that thatjust extraordinarily difficult.
And he's like I came.
You know I had this verytraumatic experience when I was
a child that they just walkedoff and protected themselves of.
And you, almost in like inconstellations, you can bring in
what happened that is notrevealed.
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You can bring in that aspectlike the thing that's not
revealed in the system, and youcan bring it in as a
representation.
And then suddenly it would belike between mom and dad and
it's like this thing that'shappening and they'll, you know,
figure eight through mom anddad and be like the issues here.
We don't know what it is, butthere's something here that's
telling you is very similar tothe really reminded me of, of
(50:59):
that work.
I think, and that's what I mean, it all meets in the middle,
right, it all is you're, you'reintuitively connecting to your,
to that part of you.
They're like, hey, whathappened here?
There's something, there's a,you have an injury, that
something happens.
Like, oh yeah, you know I had a, you know I lost a child.
It's like, oh, wow, okay, yeah,there's, there's something here
that you're, that you'reworking through, that you, that
you really have I.
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I think it's fascinating to addjust these really cool
combinations to each one ofthese modalities.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, and you can go into like, yeah, there's like
different layers of behavioralor like value or morals or
things that are, you know, likelike when you're not living in
(51:51):
alignment with your authenticself.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Uh, it's, there's like a lot of distortion in your
field and in your body and inyour physical body.
So sometimes it's emotions, butsometimes it's belief systems,
or you not living in accordancewith your true nature, or you're
(52:20):
not living in accordance withyour like.
Oh, it's like you have thesebeliefs and these values, but
then you go and you do theopposite, and then that type of
thing also can misalignstructure yeah, that makes whole
sense that there's internalconflict.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, right that that internal conflict will manifest
in one way or another.
To say, yeah, there's something, there's something odd here,
and you know you right that thatinternal conflict will manifest
in one way or another.
To say yeah, there's something,there's something odd here, and
you know you can that that canalso be brought up as as where
does the system need to be inalignment?
It's like how, what, what arethe things that I need to be
here so they can get inalignment?
Speaker 2 (52:53):
yeah, you know an expression of health.
Yeah, I mean, osteopathy is allabout that.
It's just about how can webring you back into alignment,
because when you're in alignment, you are a clear channel for
(53:14):
health.
You're you're a clear interfaceto the, the breath of life or
the life force, energy.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
When you're in alignment, you're interfacing
clearly with that energy, andthen you have expression of
health.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, I think that's a that's a great place to to
land the plane.
Hopefully we can have you backsoon.
This has been very, very, veryinteresting.
I'm I'm fascinated about thisworld and how you know, how you
help people really and and whatthis looks like, because I've
always, you know, I've alwaysbeen in the constellation
esoteric kind of world right,and not necessarily as much as
(53:56):
in the physical, in the physicalworld.
So it's thank you so much for,for for coming on and and being
such a great guest and keepdoing the work that you're doing
.
It's it's very, very muchneeded.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
So thank you very much for coming.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
If people wanted to get ahold of you, how do you?
How do they do that?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
The best way, I guess , is through my website, which
is CandiceNezrellacom, and Ialso have instagram.
Uh, it's like candice nazarelaosteopathy, nice, uh, but yeah,
basically online is uh throughmy website.
And then you can also um peoplethat are not in toronto.
(54:34):
They can have distance energytreatments and book online
through there as well.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Okay, okay, and, candice, by the way, if you're
in Toronto, how far of a driveis Toronto from Chicago?
Is that five hours?
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I guess.
So Five hours, right, yeah,maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, we're doing Constellation in Chicago as well
, so you're always invited, Allright Well maybe I'll see you in
Scottsdale.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, all right.
Well, maybe I'll see you in.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Scottsdale yeah, hopefully in Scottsdale, that
would be great.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
It was great having you.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
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(55:30):
part of this journey.
Hi, welcome to the Zulu One Podcast.
Today I'm joined by CandiceNasrallah, an osteopath whose
journey through global healingtraditions has shaped a deeply
integrative approach.
From massage therapy toacupuncture to a seven-year
osteopath program, candicebrings a wide lens to the body's
wisdom.
We explore how she weavesfamily constellations into her
(00:22):
work, the power of energeticfields and why healing begins by
noticing what's not rightrather than what's wrong.
Let's get into it, candice.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hi John.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Long time no see.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Long time no see.
I heard you might be going backto Scottsdale soon.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, we were talking about planning another workshop
.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And seeing what the days look like.
So we connected with a grouplocally that are very familiar
with family consolation.
So we're working on planningwhat the next kind of series of
consolation is going to looklike.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Oh well, I'm actually going to be there too.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
You are.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, oh nice.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
When are you going?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I'm going on the 28th .
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The 28th of May.
Yeah, oh, nice, nice, you going, I'm going on the 28th, the
28th of May, yeah.
Oh, nice, nice we might be ableto work something together.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That'd be really cool if it worked out, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I'm going to be there until the 2nd of June.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Okay, good, yeah, been several months since, since
the workshop, and you know, I,I, um, I watched the podcast
that you did with Tammy on onyour work, right, the work with
the body, and I was veryinterested in getting your
perspective, because it seemslike the podcast that you guys
(01:58):
did was like right before we haddone the workshop, and I'd love
to hear your thoughts, fromyour perspective, of what's
happened over the last couplemonths, um, and if you gained
any insights or kind of whatyour experience was like I know
there's like uh, like a rippleeffect from the session that we
(02:20):
did and I think I think, likesome of the maybe the more
family issues that werehappening around that time, I
feel like there wasenergetically.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
They shifted sort of on their own or there was, there
was a change, whether Iinitiated it or not or someone
else initiated it.
It just felt like there wassome kind of ripple effect that
shifted the dynamic of therelationships in my family over
the last few months and I can'treally explain it or what it was
(03:02):
that shifted.
But there is more of a comingtogether or more of a let's
start in this moment now andsort of allow that past to kind
of resolve.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, I mean that's what it working looks like.
You know that the conflictsthat used to exist in the family
system kind of dissipate andthere's an aspect of the oxygen
is taken out of the conflict andthe fire, rather than this
being this raging fed, repeatedraging fire that it just like
(03:51):
starts turning the gas off alittle bit on it and then, and
then, little by little, itreverberates through the whole
family.
It's, it's really weird I dothis.
I've been doing this for yearsand it doesn't make any sense
yeah, I guess it's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
It is also intention.
So I guess the intention ofhealing, of stepping into the
space that you're creating, ofbeing open to the change and the
unfolding, then that must justcreate the unwinding of the
(04:33):
tension that was being held.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, and have you?
I know that you do osteopathy.
Is that that's correct?
Yeah, the correct pronunciationMm-hmm, and that's work with a
body Correct, yeah.
And do you feel and I've I'venoticed this with people is that
touch is such a prime sensethat you know, you, almost you
(05:00):
get into somebody's field,almost you know, like their
energetic field?
Does that happen to you whenyou're working with somebody?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, definitely there is kind of like a coming
in from outside moving inwardtowards the physical or the
denser part of the structure,part of the structure, um, and
(05:30):
so typically, um, there's moreof like a distortion that
happens in the energy field andthen over time that distortion
ends up manifesting as physicalsymptoms.
So you can, like you can, kindof correct the physical symptoms
by correcting the energeticfield.
It's kind of similar to whatyou, what we just did with with
(05:50):
the, with the trauma healing.
It's like we came into thespace, we worked together, we
released the tension of thetrauma and then through, through
that work, and then throughthat work, it, it, it create, it
kind of corrected the physical,the physical manifestation of
my family trauma or whateverissues going on.
(06:12):
So it's kind of like that it'slike you come in from outside,
going in to make the changeswithin.
So you can oh wow you can kindof correct the energetic field
and by correcting the field youcorrect the physical.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
And do you see that?
You know, with that you'redealing with your clients over
many, many instances that thingsstart releasing as they start?
You know that maybe they had ashoulder, that they were at a
problem with the shoulder, thatthat starts releasing over time
and it just gradually gets forlack of a better term
unentangled or less dense.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, exactly, it can sometimes happen
instantaneously, right on thetreatment table.
It can you know, because a lotof what osteopathy is like.
To be a good osteopath, youneed to have presence and you
need to have palpation, which isyou know, you need to be able
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to understand how to find thestructure and treat the
structure.
So you have to have a palpatory, fine, fine-tuned sensory
experience of of your, of yourhands on a patient, and then you
also need to have sort of poweror potency or energy within
yourself to help the otherperson make the change within
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them.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So you almost have to be a line structure yourself,
conduit of that energy or thatmovement that you're like, a
clear vessel of that work.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's the ideal that movement that you're like a
clear vessel of that of thatwork.
That's the ideal and and that'san ongoing journey.
For an osteopath, I think it'slike, and for any human really,
it's the, it's sort of theongoing journey towards reaching
a higher consciousness, or Godconsciousness or whatever it is
(08:07):
you want to call it, but, like,always striving for that
evolution of self and that will,that type of um, that type of
work really helps you to anchorinto the present moment, the
mindfulness, the mindfulness,the, the sort of like the
(08:29):
stillness, and within thatstillness you create that, yeah,
you would create a channel thathelps the energy flow through
you, into um, into the patient,and then and then with your,
with your intention, you canmake changes instantaneously
within the tissue, or sometimes,depending on the client or the
(08:53):
severity of the issue, or eventhe capacity for that client to
let go of whatever it is that'scausing their pain, all play
into the factors of like howlong things resolve, how long it
takes something to resolve.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Wow, and how?
How long does it take theeffects?
Do you see a pattern in that?
Does it?
Sometimes it's instantaneousand up up to several years, or
is that?
How does that timeline work?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
um, it really depends on the patient.
It really depends, because itdepends on how clear the
container is of the patient with, let's say, like long-standing
(09:50):
chronic issues that havecompensated over compensation,
over compensating, like kind ofbuilding that onion layer of
trauma.
Then it's like how manytreatments is it really going to
take to keep sort of peelingback those layers so that you
kind of eventually get to theroot cause of what's going on in
in the pain complex or whateverit is that they're presenting
(10:12):
with?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
almost like a compounding effect of a trauma
right that they've that'scompounded over years with
people compensating with, youknow, tending to it or
overcompensating for it and andalmost babying the, and then you
have secondary and tertiaryeffects on the body.
That's, that's fascinating.
Yeah, I can't imagine how yeah,and then it can.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It can be also like the consciousness of the patient
and where they're at and wheretheir belief systems lied and do
they believe that they can getbetter?
Do they want to get better?
Do they believe that whatyou're doing is helpful?
Uh, are they really ready totruly let go of that issue?
(10:56):
And then, like, do they havethe vitality to like heal them,
like for the body to help?
Like, do they have the vitalityto like heal them, like for the
body to help restore andregenerate and renew itself?
Are they?
Are they like, um?
Are they holding that, thatpower within?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Hmm, you know it, it almost seems like there this um,
I love Gabor Mate, I'm a, I'm a.
I like his book.
When, when the Body Says no,you know that that that physical
ailment is almost used as avessel for the trauma to be
manifest and that it has apurpose.
You know, in some ways, thatthe physical ailment has a
(11:37):
purpose to be there because it'strying to bring attention to
something else.
Trying to bring attention tosomething else, and do you see,
when you remove that, that theperson says, oh, I can finally
deal with this psychologicalthing that they're processing
through.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, exactly, there's like in osteopathy.
We talk about the lesion whichis sort of maybe, let's say just
like the dysfunction ofwhatever it is that's happening.
So the idea in osteopathy islike you don't go looking for
(12:14):
what's wrong, you go looking forwhat's not going right.
Oh, so you're like, you're notlooking for the the symptom,
like in western medicine.
Right, you got you're.
You're treating the symptom,not the cause, not the root not,
(12:34):
not the actual problem.
So it's like what is not goingright in the body that ends up
creating what's actually what'snow presenting as going wrong.
So it's, in a way, like we'relooking for what's not going
right.
So you, you, when you'reworking with the structure and
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with the tissues, the idea isnot to go into, uh, the lesion
itself.
You don't go into the darkness,you go trying to find where is
the light within that darkness,because it's that light that's
actually going to release what'sgoing with what the lesion is.
(13:18):
It's going to, it's going totransmute the lesion and then
allow the thing to resolve.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Oh, wow, yeah, it's like that's fascinating.
In in in constellation work, welook for the block Okay, like
what is not in alignment.
(13:49):
So it's very similar with howthe that works with, with, with
your you know, with yourmodality, and it's just
fascinating how all these thingskind of meet in the middle, you
know, and a fascinating thingit's like, when somebody has a
disorder in the family system,that's usually because
something's not aligned systemand a digestive system and all
of our cells down to you know,the most basic components of who
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we are.
But we also are individualsthat are part of a family system
and we both have parents and wehave siblings or not, or you
know family members, and thenwe're part of a community.
So it's deep, systemic work ona physical, you know, on a
physical realm.
That's been very fascinating tome.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Have you, have you seen that, that after you've
done the, the constellation,have you seen different effects
in your work?
Have you seen that?
To be more open to intuition Isthat, is it still the same, or
has that affected it at all?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Hmm, I mean, it's hard to say, it's hard to say
what, like, I feel like my workis expands exponentially on a
progressive level.
So, like every everything,including family constellations
(15:07):
level.
So, like every everything,including family constellations,
is sort of opening and clearingand allowing my, my house, to
become clearer and clearer andclearer, and so, for sure, that
was a moment in time that helpedto facilitate, uh, another
layer of uh film coming off ofmy window.
Um, yeah, I definitely.
(15:29):
I definitely feel like in thelast few months, since I guess
it was january, um, there havebeen some like interesting
shifts in my work, as well aslike new creative, uh, new
creative avenues that I feellike I've opened up to oh,
(15:52):
that's beautiful yeah so tell mea little bit about how you got
into this work.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
How did you know you seem very connected, very
intuitive, um, very aligned.
How did you, how did you jumpinto the work that you're doing
now?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I feel like the work kind of found me.
I talked a little bit about it,uh, with Tammy in the podcast
with her, but I think, to behonest, like I didn't have a
very good, um, formative years,uh, experience, and I felt quite
(16:27):
lost coming out of high school.
I didn't really have muchparental guidance in terms of,
you know, following the norm ofgoing to university after school
and and I didn't really haveclear direction.
So I I actually ended up justdeciding that, on a whim, that I
(16:48):
was going to teach Englishabroad as like kind of my next
stepping stone for experience,and anyway, that stepping stone
kind of continued on for a verylong time.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
For years you went on an adventure.
It sounds like.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, on for a very long time.
For years you went on anadventure, it sounds like, yeah,
I um.
And then when I came back frommy adventure, I started working
in a, in a, in a restaurant, ina bar or whatever, and it was
anyway it was.
It was an employee of this bar.
That kind of introduced me to amassage therapy school okay,
and he, I never, never, really.
I mean, I didn't really knowwhat I wanted to do.
I thought maybe paramedics.
(17:30):
I thought maybe nursing.
I was kind of in the realm oflike going down that road in
terms of like health andsciences, but I didn't really
understand how I was going toget there or what the path was
going to be.
And so when this personintroduced me to the school that
he was going to, it kind ofopened a door for me to to be
(17:51):
like, oh, I can actually kind ofgo through this avenue, which I
didn't even know really existed.
I it wasn't in my consciousnessto go to massage therapy school
.
I was thinking like, yeah,maybe paramedics or nursing or I
don't know, physio or something.
But I didn't have any likeacademic background and I felt
(18:12):
kind of, I felt veryintimidating, intimidated to go
to university.
I just didn't feel like I hadthe capability to university.
I just didn't feel like I hadthe capability.
So anyway, I ended up inmassage therapy school in 2005.
And then that was sort of thethe road.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, I've, I've seen that a lot of people that
almost have this intuitivehealing capacity, that are a lot
more in the in the tactileworld, uh, get into massage
therapy and then you are, youknow, literally working through
people's pain, right, it'swhether that's through massage
(18:57):
therapy or that's throughdifferent modalities that use
the body, but you are literally,you know, manipulating their
energetic field, right, and I'veseen people that you know start
sobbing, right, or that havethis, these profound emotional
releases that people have theirstuff stored up, right, there's
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people that weren't touched as achild, right, that they weren't
, they didn't feel theiraffection of their mother or
their father, or they were, theywere maybe isolated and cold,
and and suddenly you have thisrelease because they got an
injury that somebody'sphysically touching them and
they haven't experienced whatthat looks like and it just it's
such a, it's such a beautifulpractice, I think, to give
somebody that gift, to say to,to get that intimate with
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somebody and be of service.
So I I'm just always interestedon those tracks and then how
people, on that almost umintroduction to healing, start
developing into other otherflavors of the modality, if that
makes sense yeah, exactly kindof was a gateway, yeah exactly
like a gateway into feeling howpeople structure my, my, um, my
(20:07):
cousin owns a hair salon and youknow she was.
She was telling me how much um,so she's been doing
constellations for years becausethe whole family's into it and
you know she was.
She went to to school forsocial work and she's a social
work counselor but then went tobeauty school and then, you know
, has a salon and the salon islike a place of healing and
(20:30):
self-care place of healing.
I'm not entirely sure what tocall it, but she talks about how
much people open up whenthey're they're getting their
hair done or you know they'regoing through, you know their
their beautification processRight, and they're like they
feel good about themselves andthey're they're really opening
up.
But the kind of secondary sideeffect is how much people dump
(20:54):
their trauma on you, Right, andit's like how do you in your
work protect yourself ormaintain a safe boundary with
that?
How you, how do you, how do younavigate that?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
yeah, I mean, that's also been a very progressive, uh
, learning experience.
Um, I'd say, in massage therapythey kind of like briefly touch
on that concept, but you're notreally fully understanding it
in the way that you, in the waythat you should, in the way that
you should, but like for manyyears cause I was a massage
(21:28):
therapist for, I think, 13 yearsor something, and and I used to
like it would be about like Iwould really want to like make
sure that the client was happy,that I did a good job, that like
I like, that I gave the deeptissue that I was, that I was,
(21:48):
like you know, doing everythingI could to make this person feel
better.
And I feel like I kind of overgave um with my treatments and I
I even when I felt like, oh,like my elbow is hurting or my
shoulders hurting or my back ishurting, I would still give as
(22:08):
much as I could for each person.
Oof yeah type of um, that typeof situation, like you end up
kind of burning out because youdon't.
Not only are you taking onother people's energy, but then
you don't have your ownboundaries for your own energy,
(22:29):
and so you typically a massagetherapist really does burn out.
They say the lifespan isactually eight years.
Really, um, really but literallywhen I, when I I was, I was um,
I had been thinking like in mylate 20s, early 30s, I was like,
okay, I can't keep doing thisat this pace.
(22:52):
Like I can't, I don't want tobe a massage therapist for the
rest of my life.
Like how can I incorporatesomething else into this already
formed thing without losingwhat I've accomplished?
But then, kind of like beingable to give healing in a
different way so that I'm notoverextending myself so
(23:15):
physically all the time,especially as I get older.
Um, because I was obviously inmy 20s when I was in school, so,
um, so now as an osteopath, um,when I work, the work to like
(23:36):
come through me rather than fromme.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
So, Okay.
That's my, you know, like I justallow it to come through.
And so then I'm not taking onpeople's energy because a I'm
not giving from, I'm not justgiving from me, I'm giving from
source.
And then at the end of atreatment, I like kind of, or
(24:04):
whatever, out of the equationduring treatment and just like
allow myself to be a conduit of,of and transmission of of the
(24:29):
work, and then I feel like I cando this work without, without
feeling so depleted and and um,not take on other people's
energies yeah, yeah, I couldimagine that you know if you're
almost the lack of a better termbut white knock, knuckling the
(24:51):
trauma dough right of somebody's, you know that you're pulling
from your reservoir like I gottago to sleep, I gotta eat, I
gotta be in the right headspace.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I've've got to not have a, you know, difficult
conversation with somebody thatI care about.
That all you know like all thatstuff is like if I'm not on
that you're, you know if, andespecially even if you're in
your own head right While you'regoing through the process,
would be almost an impossiblething to keep up for for period
of time.
So I definitely see how thatcould become a problem.
(25:21):
But you know, that shift issuch a cool shift to say it's
not me, I'm just kind of thisconduit of whatever life force
thing that's infinite andabundant and has all the
resources in the entire you knowexistence, then I'm a conduit
for this thing and I can alwaystap into it, and then I just
have to be mindful of um,cleaning those things up, and
(25:44):
then you keep moving forward andyou're, and you're able to have
a, a sustained, successfulcareer.
Um, how, how difficult was thattransition to make?
And like what?
How did you make that choice?
How did you say I can't holdthis up very long, I've got to
shift to something else.
And then the realization ofbeing able to do that.
How did that come about?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Hmm, I think it came about just internally.
I just felt like I had reachedthe limits with massage therapy
in terms of what I was, what Ihad accomplished.
Like I had my own clinic and Iwas working, you know, full time
and everything was good and butI felt like I was, I was
(26:30):
reaching a limited capacitywithin myself and and then and
then with patients, and therewas two routes I could have gone
.
I could have just kept my Ihave my, I do have my massage
therapy license still, but Icould have just stayed in
massage therapy and then I couldhave done just a ton of
(26:52):
continuing educational courses,going more deeply into cranial,
sacral or visceral manipulationor nerve, uh, nervous system
stuff.
There was there's many routesin which I could have taken to
kind of stay in the same, uh,registered body of massage
(27:14):
therapy and but just expand myknowledge, Um, but for some
reason that didn't feel like itwas the answer.
I felt like if I was gonna goand do all of those courses that
I wanted, like I wanted like apaper at the end of it all, that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, that makes that paper right there.
Yeah, all the hard work rightyeah, but then.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
But then, but like you know, in hindsight the paper
is just a paper.
Nobody knows.
That thing is even on the wall.
And it wasn't until my dad came, like a few years later, after
I had finished, and he's like Ithought I framed those diplomas
for you and I was like, yeah,you did.
They're sitting up in thecupboard.
He's like, well, you got to putit on the wall.
(27:58):
And I'm in the cupboard he'slike, well, you gotta put it on
the wall.
And I'm like, okay, fine, butlike at the time, actually at
the time when I startedosteopathy, it actually it
actually did.
It was a driving factor.
I wanted the paper.
And uh, I remember when I wentto, uh, to an osteopath with
tammy, actually she brought meto my first osteopathic
(28:19):
appointment and she was having atreatment and I was sitting in
the waiting room and I just sawthis diploma of physio and
diploma of osteo and thisdiploma and diploma of
acupuncture, and this guy hadall the diplomas up on the wall
and I was like, oh, I want that,you know.
(28:39):
And so that's kind of why Itransitioned into the program
instead of just going intocontinuation courses, like for
massage therapy, because they'reall like very relevant to
massage.
Osteopathy is just the naturalprogression to learn more deeper
about structure and anatomy andphysiology and treatment
(29:01):
processes, and it's just anatural progression.
So, yeah, I just rememberopening that door on the first
day and being like this is thefirst day of like the next seven
years of my life.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Aye yi, yi, aye, aye, aye.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So that was a slog.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, I would imagine that's a long time.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It was a long time To be able to do it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
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You know it seems like they golike I see this track that it's
like you go more physical or yougo more systemic.
You know it's almost like yougo into the emotions or you go
more into the physicals, likeunderstanding and massage
therapy, how you can treatnerves and more intricate
situations that the person isgoing through, or you can go is
that, am I understanding thatcorrectly?
Or you can go more.
The holistic view of sayingthis is probably, you know, the,
(30:13):
the physical has a, has a pit,has a like, kind of like this is
the end of our understandingand the spiritual is kind of
super open and abundant and youknow you can kind of go anywhere
with that.
Is that, is that?
Are you noticing that?
Is that how that track playsout, or is it?
Or is it a bit different?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Uh, my own personal track.
Yeah, my own personal trackwent from like, like you know,
you can't get to it unless yougo deeper and firmer and
stronger and more physical, tonow almost like to the point
where well, actually to thepoint where now I can treat
(30:51):
people at a distance, throughenergy, through intention.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So it's gotten that, it's gotten to like that type of
finesse or fineness or and isit something that you like when
you, when you do the work, thatyou tune into where somebody has
their entanglement or they havethe the, the pain, or they have
that lesion that you can,almost, when you see somebody,
(31:18):
that you can see where they're,where they're holding that.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, you can see it.
You can see it as a pattern.
Typically, I see it as apattern.
Um that yeah.
So like there's, there's also,it's hard because there's also
pattern and then when you removethat pattern, there's another
pattern and then when you removethat pattern, there's another
pattern.
Okay, that makes sense it kindof goes, it kind of gets deeper
(31:43):
and deeper.
Uh, so kind of, when you, whenpeople come to me, usually the
first treatment, sometimes thefirst treatment is extremely
profound for some people, butother times it takes a couple of
treatments to really get downto the root of this issue or
whatever, or even just not eventhe root, but maybe just like a,
(32:04):
a, a more, uh, a more, a layer.
That's kind of like a littlebit heftier part of the problem.
Yeah, Cause sometimes the meatand potatoes of the lesian.
Exactly, yeah.
So it's like I see it as apattern and I typically work
(32:26):
like the session is like an hourright.
So I see this pattern and thenI work with the body to dissolve
this pattern for today, thispattern for today, and, um, and
I would kind of like look at itin terms of like a sheet or like
a shirt, like like our ourfascial sort of connective
(32:49):
tissue, uh, or this form.
It's like if I pull my shirt,you can see that like like even
up all the way to your shoulder.
It gets right, like even up uphere so like or, and then it
starts pulling from over hereand like, so you're kind of like
fall.
I anyway, this is my ownversion of it, but I kind of
(33:11):
just unlock those that thatpattern for that day oh, I see,
yeah, and so when?
you know, if you were to comefor a treatment and and I worked
on you for that hour and then Ireleased that pattern, and then
you go off for the next monthor two, whenever you decide to
come back and like, in that timeframe you, uh, you were
(33:38):
shoveling snow and you youcranked your back, or like you
had an argument with your fatherand then you, you annoyed your
wife and she's upset at like,and then so all of these things
are coming into your field andcoming back into into your
physical and then when you comehere the next time, there's a
(33:58):
whole other pattern becausethere's so many other things
that have been added on top ofon top, or you know, yeah, Like
it's kind of like life.
right, it's like you roll thatproverbial rock up the mountain
only for it to roll back downagain.
Yeah, so we're constantlyadding things to our field which
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reflect in our physical, andthat can be tricky because
there's a lot of things that wecan't really see that's
influencing our field and ourenergy system, which then
reflects our physical system.
So you know, likeelectromagnetic field, wi-fi
signals, cell phones, all ofthese things that are
(34:46):
interrupting and causing thiskind of polluted field,
chemicals in the air, whateverthat is that you put on your
body, food we eat, blah, blah,blah.
The behavioral patterns, theemotional pattern, all of this
is kind of like causing adistortion in your field.
And so when a person comes fortreatment, it's like, yeah, I
(35:06):
saw you a month ago, but whathappened in between that time,
whereas, like now, I have tokind of reassess what's
happening with you in thispresent moment.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
now, and do you see that people I would imagine
people get to talking during theprocess, right, and that they
suddenly release something thatthey've never talked about, or
that they're suddenly getting tosome pretty deep layered stuff?
Does that happen as well?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It definitely happens .
And then, like you said, likewith your own personal work,
like with with constellations,it's like sometimes it happens
after and between right, likesometimes, you know, some people
are not at the point where theycan let go on the table.
I'm the type of person that cancry easily, so I can definitely
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let go as the treatment ishappening in real time.
But some people need like theirown space, or they need to be
at home or they need to have afew days to process the
treatment and then and then theymight have their emotional um
release at that point.
But for sure, people have um,they have emotional releases on
(36:20):
the table or or or a lot of thetimes too, it's like right after
the treatment, when they sit upand it's like oh, wow, there's
a lot that's actually coming outright now, like coming like
kind of welling up oh, wow, yeah, you see people that run
marathons.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
you know that they have these extreme.
You know physical exertionsthat suddenly all the emotions
come in, that were pent up, thatthat the body keeps the score
of Right, that that were.
You know we have everythingpent up that we haven't
processed, because our bodiesare so intuitive and they're so
intelligent that they protect usin so many, in so many ways so
(37:01):
intelligent that they protect usin so many, in so many ways,
yeah, and also the world doesn'tallow us to really get that
deep.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It always has us in a state of perpetual distraction,
and so whenever we'redistracted or we numb ourselves
with distractions, then we don'treally have, um, the capacity
to like, feel and release andlet go, because that's really
happening in a, in a state ofstillness, not in a state of
scrolling or video streaming orpartying or whatever you know
(37:31):
yeah, the visual, visual junkfood and dopamine, you know,
assault on our, on our brains.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
That is just really designed to keep us stuck.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Right?
Is that like if I had to designa trauma activation machine?
As much as benefit and socialmedia has benefits but I would
activate something that and Idon't think it's like by design.
I don't think that there's knowsome evil.
You know council that sitsaround saying these are how
we're going to manipulate thesepeople.
(38:02):
It's just they work because wedon't understand trauma and
systems and if you keep hittingthis button, people are going to
get activated and they'llengage more and the algorithms
are built to for engagement.
Right, it's like I want to.
I want to get you the mostoutraged.
And if you end up saying I'mgoing to clean my algorithm and
I'm only going to look up HopeCore or slash puppy videos,
(38:26):
slash cute cat videos, like youalmost sanitize your algorithm
and the more healing you do, thecleaner that algorithm gets,
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
yeah, I mean, I've seen a shift in my own lifestyle
for sure over over my course ofhealing.
It's like my life is justsimplified and simplified, and
simplified, and cleaner, andcleaner, and cleaner.
Um and and.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
And like that's sort of been my life journey in terms
of being able to process mytrauma.
You can show up.
The more you can be present,the more you can, you know, just
not carry stuff that doesn'tbelong to you.
You know, that's why I'm sofascinated by this work, because
you know we carry so much stuffthat doesn't literally doesn't
belong to us.
It's like I didn't do this.
This is from my lineage.
(39:31):
It has nothing to do with me.
Take it back.
I don't want it, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, transmute it.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, exactly Exactly .
And that's, you know, I dothose exercises of you know,
giving back the pain, and theseexercises.
I have these, you know, veryspecialized trauma balls that
you can buy at five and belowSand, filled basically like
little weights, and you say thisis a trauma ball and then you
put your ancestors behind youand you say in love, I took it,
(39:59):
in love, I give it back and youphysically give it back, right
right and all it is is a.
It was like four dollars yeahlittle sand filled, uh, like
medicine ball, you know, and andit has just this profound
effect of people gettingtogether, establishing, you know
, service for each other thatcan do this profound healing
work.
You know, I spoke at an eventyesterday and people are just
starving for this stuff.
You know, service for eachother that can do this profound
healing work.
(40:20):
You know, I spoke at an eventyesterday and people are just
starving for this stuff.
You know, they're they're readyand they're starving for
healing and they're sick andtired of being sick and tired.
You know, to use a cliche, andpeople just want to be present
and want to heal and want togive back stuff, and they don't
have the blueprint or thelanguage to be able to do it.
And present and want to healand want to give back stuff, and
(40:40):
they don't have the blueprintor the language to be able to do
it.
And it's just such a powerfulthing and and I I always go back
to your guys' consolation itwas just so beautiful.
It was just so beautiful.
It's like a sacred space and Iwas very emotionally moved by it
, because I've been doingconsolations for many years but
I haven't seen a group that thattakes such good care of each
other and it was just.
It was profoundly moving.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, it was a special.
It was a special time in thatmoment in time in that place and
everyone came from all over theworld to show up for Tammy and
and no one really knew what toexpect.
And you held the space with youand your mom and it was so
beautifully done and, likeintuitively, you had such a
(41:23):
great presence and you knewexactly how to um, how to allow
people to let go.
Even you know, even even theones that had a harder time, you
were like, oh okay, well, thismight not work with this person,
so we'll do it more like that.
And it was really cool to watchyou and your mom facilitate.
(41:46):
And it was interesting to seehow, with the group because I
didn't know all of them either,I knew some of them, but when
you, I don't know we all justcame together and like we
processed each other's traumaand like, even though it wasn't
your own trauma, you were stillcrying for their trauma and like
(42:07):
you were still processing.
You were processing trauma thatwasn't yours but could have
been yours in another lifetimeor or it could have, could have
been in a in a way affecting you.
You didn't know.
So it it was really a cool thingto go through and then, after
doing so many years of therapyand my own personal growth, like
(42:29):
you brought this element to thesession that I'd never like, an
aspect of the healing that I'dnever seen before.
Like you know, when you I waskind of like going into it and I
was like, oh, what am I goingto rehash today, cause you know,
you got to come up with yourthing.
(42:50):
And I'm like man, what am Igoing to do this again?
Like I'm going to go throughthis story again.
And but then you, you shone alight light on it, on it in a
totally different way, which Iwas kind of like wow, was that
the like missing link?
Was that like the last thing Ineeded to hear?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
yeah, yeah and, and you know, I feel, um, like that,
I can't take any credit for it.
You know, it's like it kind ofvery similar to to what we, what
we about now.
Right, it's like I can't.
I can't take any credit for it.
I'm just there, as then itsounds so ridiculous to say and
I'm almost embarrassed to say,but like a vessel, like you know
(43:31):
kind of situation, that you'rethere in service to the process
and it's like I brought justthat factor to it.
That's it Like I literally wasthe person that brought that
ability there.
And it was like you guys did thework.
It's just so beautiful andthat's why I'm such a fan of it
that you can just and I, I likepeople, say thank you and I'm
(43:52):
like I don't thank me foranything.
You guys didn't work, you guysdid the hard, hard work, and I
just have to shut up and bethere and just be like okay, and
it just kind of kind of works.
And it's just um, and when Isee that and I see people show
up for each other in that wayand in in such grace, and
because I don't know how else todefine it, but like divine
(44:13):
grace, is what the word thatkeep, that kept coming up for me
when, when you guys wereworking, it was like it was.
It was really truly beautiful.
It was so touching, it was somoving, yeah yeah, yeah, it was
a good time, yeah yeah, I wasreally excited about, um, you
know, getting your guys'sthoughts afterwards about what,
uh, what had come up for me,especially from your perspective
(44:34):
, because you are, you know, inthis world of of working with
people and and really gettinginto people's, you know, into
the nitty-gritty and and andvery operational for lack of a
better term right of how peopleoperate on their bodies is to
say, like how this complementssomething like that, because I'm
I'm always about, um, you know,almost compounding modalities.
(44:58):
Right, there's people that dofamily constellations with
horses, there's people that dofamily constellations with
horses, there's people that dofamily constellations with
systems and there's some calledstructural constellations that
are, that are, they're almostlike algebra, it's like with
little figurines, and they'revery algebraic.
And then I was like, oh well,this would be really interesting
and I was kind of thinkingabout this like somebody that
(45:18):
does work with the body, to beable to process through this and
understand, from yourperspective after doing the work
, what that would, how wouldthat would show up in your work
as well, and I'm I was justreally fascinated about how, how
, your perspective on it yeahand um and yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I wonder if there's some kind of way to enmesh the
two.
Do you ever hold constellationpractices or circles with body
work?
Speaker 1 (46:00):
We've done.
Are you familiar with breathwork?
You know people that do the,the, the breath work yeah a lot
of people do they'll compound.
They'll not compound, butthey'll combine um breath work
with family constellations, andso that's like it really gets
you into your body like thebreath work just really really
gets you.
You know like it's like aworkout.
(46:20):
You're like geez man.
I didn't know I had to work sohard to do this, but you know
just like there's such acathartic process to do that and
then you open up with that andthen you do into constellations
yeah, so I've always been like,how do you, how do you do like,
or you know, some people aredoing ecstatic dance and then
constellations and then just anyway where you can just really
(46:40):
get present and I think physicalwork does that, like physical
touch does that to say you'rehere, you're now, we're not
going anywhere.
You can't scroll on your phone,you can't escape, you can't cut
into your mind, you literallyare feeling the pain go through
your body and then to have that,that release like hey, you, hey
, you know, when you're, becausethe, the, the body also has
(47:02):
systemic sides, right.
So the left side is mom, theright side is dad and all of
these.
You know, over the years peoplehave correlated constellations
with different parts of the body.
You know, there's parts of thebodies that are that are related
to the siblings.
It's like, oh, how's your, youknow, how's your relationship
with your sister, or how's yourrelationship with one of your
siblings, because this pain thatmay be in your arm is coming
(47:25):
from that side.
So you can combine.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
I would see kind of in the future where you can
combine the two and ask thosesystemic questions through it
and they could even saysomething that you're doing,
almost a you knowo consolation,you know yeah yeah, I mean I
think there are like theredefinitely are practitioners
that do more like somatic bodywork, so they they're like
(47:52):
giving cues and promptingcertain like reflections, that
kind of like help you tofacilitate the release on the
table too.
Yeah, I sometimes do that, butI'm not at the level I mean I've
never done somatic therapy,like I've never learned it for
(48:15):
one.
Sometimes I have intuitiveimpulses that lead me to ask or
prompt a certain question.
Um, or I'll say, or I'll seesomething like typically, you
know, with when a client comesand they have to fill out this
(48:36):
long questionnaire and healthhistory or whatever, and then
you know, let's say you're inyour 40s or 50s or 60s and you
don't really remember half thestuff on this form anyways.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Right you don't remember.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
There's so many people like they forget about
the injuries they've had or theexperiences they've had, and
then I'll immediately be drawnto one area in their body and
then I'll have my hands on itand they'll be like oh, they'll
sit up.
Oh, I forgot to tell you thattwo years ago I fell off a horse
(49:14):
and broke my foot or somethingand I'm like but why, you didn't
remember that?
Yeah, but they they startremembering as I go through the
body and start touchingdifferent areas.
Then they start remembering ohyeah, there was this thing that
caused this thing that you know,that is in relation, and
they're like, they're surprisedthat I find this area in them
(49:36):
right away.
They're like, oh, why did yougo there right away?
And I'm like it's well, it'sbecause it's telling me right
here that this is like.
You know, this is not, uh, thisis not expressing life force.
It has no vitality.
It's just like this is like adead board.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, that's why I went there yeah, that makes that
makes all the sense in theworld that you have.
You know, people sit in thechairs like, so what would you
like to work on?
They're like nothing and you'relike okay.
And you know they're like, ohso did anything happen?
And they're like no, well, Iwas hit by a truck when I was
five and you're like, you know,you, you just have this like
(50:16):
huge revelation that peopleminimize, protect, you know,
whatever that thing is that thatjust extraordinarily difficult.
And he's like I came.
You know I had this verytraumatic experience when I was
a child that they just walkedoff and protected themselves of.
And you, almost in like inconstellations, you can bring in
what happened that is notrevealed.
(50:37):
You can bring in that aspectlike the thing that's not
revealed in the system, and youcan bring it in as a
representation.
And then suddenly it would belike between mom and dad and
it's like this thing that'shappening and they'll, you know,
figure eight through mom anddad and be like the issues here.
We don't know what it is, butthere's something here that's
telling you is very similar tothe really reminded me of, of
(50:59):
that work.
I think, and that's what I mean, it all meets in the middle,
right, it all is you're, you'reintuitively connecting to your,
to that part of you.
They're like, hey, whathappened here?
There's something, there's a,you have an injury, that
something happens.
Like, oh yeah, you know I had a, you know I lost a child.
It's like, oh, wow, okay, yeah,there's, there's something here
that you're, that you'reworking through, that you, that
you really have I.
(51:19):
I think it's fascinating to addjust these really cool
combinations to each one ofthese modalities.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, and you can go into like, yeah, there's like
different layers of behavioralor like value or morals or
things that are, you know, likelike when you're not living in
(51:51):
alignment with your authenticself.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Uh, it's, there's like a lot of distortion in your
field and in your body and inyour physical body.
So sometimes it's emotions, butsometimes it's belief systems,
or you not living in accordancewith your true nature, or you're
(52:20):
not living in accordance withyour like.
Oh, it's like you have thesebeliefs and these values, but
then you go and you do theopposite, and then that type of
thing also can misalignstructure yeah, that makes whole
sense that there's internalconflict.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, right that that internal conflict will manifest
in one way or another.
To say, yeah, there's something, there's something odd here,
and you know you right that thatinternal conflict will manifest
in one way or another.
To say yeah, there's something,there's something odd here, and
you know you can that that canalso be brought up as as where
does the system need to be inalignment?
It's like how, what, what arethe things that I need to be
here so they can get inalignment?
Speaker 2 (52:53):
yeah, you know an expression of health.
Yeah, I mean, osteopathy is allabout that.
It's just about how can webring you back into alignment,
because when you're in alignment, you are a clear channel for
(53:14):
health.
You're you're a clear interfaceto the, the breath of life or
the life force, energy.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
When you're in alignment, you're interfacing
clearly with that energy, andthen you have expression of
health.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, I think that's a that's a great place to to
land the plane.
Hopefully we can have you backsoon.
This has been very, very, veryinteresting.
I'm I'm fascinated about thisworld and how you know, how you
help people really and and whatthis looks like, because I've
always, you know, I've alwaysbeen in the constellation
esoteric kind of world right,and not necessarily as much as
(53:56):
in the physical, in the physicalworld.
So it's thank you so much for,for for coming on and and being
such a great guest and keepdoing the work that you're doing
.
It's it's very, very muchneeded.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
So thank you very much for coming.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
If people wanted to get ahold of you, how do you?
How do they do that?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
The best way, I guess , is through my website, which
is CandiceNezrellacom, and Ialso have instagram.
Uh, it's like candice nazarelaosteopathy, nice, uh, but yeah,
basically online is uh throughmy website.
And then you can also um peoplethat are not in toronto.
(54:34):
They can have distance energytreatments and book online
through there as well.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Okay, okay, and, candice, by the way, if you're
in Toronto, how far of a driveis Toronto from Chicago?
Is that five hours?
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I guess.
So Five hours, right, yeah,maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, we're doing Constellation in Chicago as well
, so you're always invited, Allright Well maybe I'll see you in
Scottsdale.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, all right.
Well, maybe I'll see you in.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
Scottsdale yeah, hopefully in Scottsdale, that
would be great.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
It was great having you.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
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