How To Heal Generational Trauma Mother | Macha & Michelle | EP 13

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In this episode of the Zulu One podcast, I sit down with Michelle Blechner and her daughter Macha Einbender, two incredible Family Constellations facilitators who embody what it means to heal across generations.

Born in France, Michelle spent 30 years in New York before moving to Miami. With a psychology background and marketing experience, she has become a spiritual leader, life counselor, and founder of the Family Constellations Institute of Miami. Deeply connected to Abraham Hicks teachings for over 30 years, Michelle blends her understanding of Universal Laws with her U.R.I.M. coaching method to help people transform their lives.

Macha brings her own unique gifts as a skilled Family Constellations Facilitator, guiding individuals to uncover hidden family dynamics and create resolution. Her innovative methods allow clients to gain deeper insight into relationships and systemic patterns, offering profound clarity and healing. Together, Michelle and Macha show how constellations can be both legacy and practice balancing trauma and talent, and transforming families for generations to come.

This is a conversation about resilience, healing, and the power of family. If you’ve ever wondered how trauma passes through lineages, and how we can find balance by facing it, this episode will move you deeply.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
you know we've been, we've been talking about in in
constellations my, my firstfacilitator that was, that was
teaching us constellations, andthis came up recently is that
you know, one of the mostprofound but also potentially
difficult relationship is themother daughter relationship.
So tell me a little bit.
And you know the fact that and,michelle, this is something

(00:31):
that you taught me right is thatwhen, when a woman is pregnant,
there's three generations thatare carried there because the
baby already has, you know,their, their eggs that they're
going to have for the rest oftheir life.
So there's three generationsalready living in one body.
So if you can tell me a littlebit about your guys' experience,

(00:53):
especially you know, being bothfacilitators and being in
constellations how that'saffected.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
So I guess I start because I'm the older one, you
know.
You're the mom we got broke withposition here.
So, yes, it certainlyinfluences tremendously,
especially because, you know,everyone has a crazy system.

(01:21):
It's not the appanage of youknow the best, but let's say
that because when I was in mymother's embryo of five months

(01:47):
in the womb of my grandmother,we were in actually 1922,
because my mother was born in1923.
You see, born in 1923.
You see, so my mother eggabsolutely had influenced me.

(02:13):
So it goes even further anddeeper, you see, because the egg
that is in my mother's embryo,in my grandmother's embryo, in
my grandmother's womb, isalready influenced by World War
I.
Yeah.

(02:36):
Therefore, marsha that comesafter has a little bit of an
imprint as well, you see.
Yeah.
And of course this continuesalong the road.
So now we're talking about ahundred year plus.
Yeah, you see.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, yeah, three generations is about a hundred
years.
Yeah, so you do have.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, actually it's three generations, but it's four
.
Yeah.
Because, at the time, mygrandmother was a young woman,
she was 20.
Not even she was 19, becauseshe had my mother when she was
20 years old.
Wow, you see, Wow.
You see, so we're talking abouta long line of traumas and

(03:31):
talents.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Long line of traumas and talents.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's not just the deficit, it's also the assets
that that gives you.
You see, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
And so you know, we've been, we've gone, we've
done three podcasts.
This is the third podcast thatyou and I have done, michelle,
so if you can just give, therewas many conversations.
Yeah, and there's many, manyconversations over 12 years, 13,
14 years we're running on.
You know we're longtime friendsbut you know, if you can tell

(04:05):
people just a little bit aboutyour story and if they want to
hear that kind of the deeperdive into that story, I think
it's it's important for thecontext of this conversation.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yes, I, I mean it's not necessary that I go in the
entire story because I mean itwas related.
It was related when we didpodcasts together.
But I think it's interesting tosay that we did not encounter
by chance, of course, but youdid come to my constellation

(04:36):
life at a very, very early pointbecause I only had one
constellation and it was not mefacilitating when I met you,
because Marsha had told me aboutthis young woman that was doing
constellation work.

(04:57):
I had come to a group that shehad formed because she was so
excited by the experience andeverything else and she knew I
would love it.
Of course, because, because wehad the history, you know,
Marsha has been part of myspiritual journey since very
early childhood because I tookher everywhere, you know.

(05:19):
You know what she likesbasically basically, and so I,
um, I had done thisconstellation in new york and,
of course, immediately I knewthat this was for me and I look
at possibilities.
And I found out that it was afacilitator mark wallen that was

(05:43):
that was coming to Miami themonth after the Earth's
constellation.
And this is where I went and Iremember, I remember vividly
because at one time when Ithought I was rewriting a book
which I left that behind,somebody's doing it for me.
But I remember that the firstrepresentation that I did was

(06:11):
your father, when he was leavingCuba.
And I remember saying the firstsign on my book was saying like
I have left Cuba with the tasteof cigar in my mouth.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wow, yeah, venezuela, my dad's from Venezuela.
But yes, venezuela, venezuela.
I apologize.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I, you know same shit yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Very similar stories.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, similar stories and similar trauma and this is
where not only we met but oursoul connected because the same
really challenges that yourfamily had in Venezuela, my

(06:59):
family had it in France,occupied France, I mean, you
know, in France occupied by theNazi, and even in World War I.
You know, europe has alwaysbeen really the stage of war.

(07:19):
Yeah.
Eastern Europe, western Europe,I mean, and it still continues.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Eastern Europe, western Europe, I mean, and it
still continues.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
With Middle East and everything else.
So in a way, we all here andI'm sure that all included have
been kind of marked by all thosetraumas and also the success

(07:52):
story, because here we are.
Here we are not only, you know,working on healing ours, but
being a bridge for others to dothe same.
Yeah.
So what is it?
Is it a detriment or is it anasset?

(08:15):
I mean, our friend Tony Robbinssaid life happened for you, not
to you.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, and it can be D all of the above right.
Exactly that's what life isright.
Be D all the above Right,exactly that's what life is
Right.
It's all the above.
You can say, you can take allof it Right and just be grateful
for the fact that we're hereand there are these lessons that
we need to learn, and you know.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
And it's the best attitude.
Yeah.
Because it's the attitude ofresilience rather than
resistance.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, it's that from from victim to victor right,
exactly, yeah yeah so, masha,having you know which is one of
the coolest things that I've gotget to witness, right, that
I've seen.
I've known you guys for areally long time and I've seen,
you know michelle, yourgranddaughter, being in
constellations and you knowrepeating the healing pattern of
masha when she was a little kidrunning around and doing all

(09:05):
these healing modalities andCharlie, you know your husband,
michelle, and your dad, masha,and just like seeing that,
really the healing throughgenerations that you get to
witness as a bystander and afriend of the family, just like
how these things have gonethrough the family and all these
generations doing this stuff.
And I've just I'm I'm so happyabout seeing enough because our

(09:27):
families are similar, right, youguys know my mom and my sister
and my.
You've met my dad and you knowthe where the traumas came from
and that all the gender and you.
You know my kids, you've met mykids and you know just seeing
those multi-generationalfamilies going through healing,
rather than repeating thesestories.
So, masha, how did that?
You know, like, growing up,what was that like to be in a

(09:51):
family that was healing?
Because I'm always asked thequestion like, is it too much,
is it too early?
And then it's like do they getaccess?
Like what was that like growingup to doing that?

Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think that for me it was great because I was very
interested in it from a veryearly age.
So it's where I felt the mostcomfortable and in the healing
spaces, in the rooms withAbraham Hicks people and I felt
like I had like these two liveswhere one where I had to be

(10:22):
normal and the other where I gotto be authentic and be with
people that understood and thatI could say whatever I wanted to
say around, as long as it waspositive and it was very

(10:43):
interesting and it felt.
I feel bad for other people whodidn't have that growing up,
because it's hard to grow up.
It's hard, you know all of thedifferent stages of growth.
So it's definitely an attributeor an asset to have family
members that have this desirefor healing, for growth, for

(11:07):
evolution, for transformation,as opposed to silence and
whatever else other people do.
I don't know.
Yeah.
So but going to what you weresaying about how, you know, my
mom was in the embryo, in her,in her great, in her
grandmother's womb, and we, youknow, we carry these stories,

(11:30):
these traumas.
It's such a good marketingthing for family constellations
because not only do you have todeal with the traumas of every
day from the day that you wereborn, but you have a lot of shit
that you have to heal frombeing this.
you know, seed and absorbingthings that are not existing

(11:51):
today, but wars and famine andwhatever it is.
So I encourage everybody toseek family consolation, because
you may think you're doing well, but you're not.
You're not doing as well as youcould be.
So it is a very fortunate thingthat I got to experience how to

(12:13):
heal myself, how to speak myself-talk and how to express my
desires in a way that was inalignment with universal law
from a young age, so I'm verygrateful for that.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, and Michelle you've been doing involved with
the Abraham Hicks for years,right.
I mean, that's been somethingthat you guys have shared for a
long time, was that?
Was that?
So let me ask you this questionWas that kind of your guys'
thing Was like, were you guysconnected?
Like Tony and I, my son, go togo to Circle of Brotherhood on

(12:52):
Tuesdays and it's just likethat's just me and him, right,
that's something that him and Ido together?
Was that was kind of thehealing space, a place where you
guys connected, like where youguys had that in common, like
where you guys had that incommon.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Well, I'll say this is that I definitely, yes, that
was definitely something that Ihad a common interest with my
mom, because we would go tothese workshops and we, you know
, from a young age and I wouldgo and I would feel very special
being in this small room of ofpeople who were were devoted to

(13:25):
Abraham Hicks and at the timethe rooms were very small.
There'd be like 20 to 30 peoplein the room.
I was always the youngest, sothat was very exciting and it
was very fun.
I got a lot of attention, whichI like, and my mom and I we
used to listen to cassettes.
Okay.
We used to get the Abraham Hickscassettes and listen to that in

(13:49):
the car and it was definitelysomething that was forming.
She would say to me when I wasupset about whatever it is what
do you want?
What do you want?
Masha, tell me what you wantand you know we can transform it
.
And are you allowing?
Right now, I don't think so.

(14:10):
Are you resisting?
I don't think so.
I think so.
So that was definitelysomething that we had in common.
The Abraham language ofattraction what are you
attracting?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
What are you?
What are you?
A champion, what are you?
That's?
That's that's such a powerful,powerful insight in like a
common language.
And michelle, what did likefrom the you know, I would
imagine, masha, you were a kid,right, you were?
How old were you?

Speaker 4 (14:36):
I think you started nine years old, maybe nine ten
so almost a nine-year-old seeingthings.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
What was, what was that nine-year-old seeing things
?
What was that nine-year-old'sbrain looking at healing from a
new perspective, or almost usingit as a core, fundamental
language for growing up that way?
What was that like?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You see, you have to understand that, first of all, I
grew up with a mother that wasa witch.
She was a good witch andsometimes a bad witch, but she
was a witch.
She was a good wish andsometimes a bad witch, but she
was a witch.
She had an incredible intuition.
She could see someone and say,oh my god, this, this guy is not

(15:16):
gonna make it long.
And then you would hear thatthe guy died yesterday.
You know.
Oh, wow, and I was, oh my God,you know, she was like very,
very weird, okay.
So from a very young age I wasused to astrology to see, and

(15:42):
she would read the hourglass.
She would read, you know, thecoffee, what do you call it?
Grounds yeah, the coffee beans.
My grandmother had taught herhow to read the tea leaves, all
the kind of things you know soalready.
It was not her mother, hermother-in-law.

(16:05):
She was very special, veryintuitive.
I think the first time I saw apsychic I must have been 10.
Wow, every time they weretelling me my life and

(16:25):
everything else because I wouldgo with her you see, oh wow.
Yeah, and so for me it was likea kind of natural thing.
And Masha, from a very youngage I knew she was someone very
special.
She was also even older thanmine, you know.

(16:50):
She was very connected.
She was here in a way to be ateacher of mine, you know, and
it revealed to be true becauseyou know, like she say, she's
the one that introduced me toConstellation.
So we were like teacher,student to each other.

(17:13):
But it's not always easy, yousee, because I was also a very
busy woman, because I alwaysworked.
Ok, from very early age, Ialways worked very much, and so
I was not as present as a mother, in a mother role, maybe

(17:33):
sometimes too much of a teacher,not enough of a mother.
And also, the interesting thingis that my mother, who was the
mother, but the mother that cansmother you, which she did with
me, she was a great grandmotherfor Masa, but she would also

(17:55):
criticize me to her.
So it was like a very, I willsay, we were thriving in very
thin ice in the relationship.
It was not an usualrelationship of a mother and

(18:16):
daughter.
Okay, we, you know, we lovedeach other and I know that she
knew that I was there always,but I also left her very
independent because my mothersmothered me and I had to escape
really.
So it's a lot of differentconnotation, but we kind of

(18:37):
worked parallelly in a great waybecause the result is um result
is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, the result is is amazing.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Can I say something?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I think that the um, the like the education that we
both got.
So my mom had, you know, shestarted.
She had this mother who wasvery witchy and intuitive.
She started at 10.
Um, I did, you know, went withmy mom and did all these things
at 10.
But our educations were verydifferent because my grandmother

(19:11):
was more of that witch but shewasn't very kind and she wasn't
very spiritual or you know, shedidn't.
I never saw her do anythinglike meditating or anything like
that.
I remember when my mother usedto was started to get into
meditation and breath work, sheused to make fun of her because

(19:33):
my mom, they used to get intothese fights and my mom would go
into this, start breathing andmy grandmother used to mimic her
but you know, like make fun ofher for breathing.
So it was definitely veryconfusing for me because the
spirituality of all of that.

(19:53):
I think I started to understandthat there were different forms
of spirituality and the whatyou call the occult right, the
Eastern medicine, all of thewoohoo things.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, the alternative side yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
The alternative things, but the education that I
got from my mom and what wewere seeking was more
peace-related, manifesting yourdesires, speaking in a way that
was loving, positive self-talk.
So I think that I definitelysaw that there were two sides of

(20:33):
this spiritual world, and theworld that my grandmother had
was one like.
I'm not into tarot at all atall, I'm not into psychics at
all, so there's very different.
You know, I definitely got adifferent sense of what my

(20:56):
mother was talking about.
You know, it was like a buffetthat I was like no, I'm going to
not pick from that buffet rightthere.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
But it's interesting because we both, in a different
way, had to get out of it.
Yeah.
But you know what we go back tothe benefit and the deficit.
I think it was a benefitbecause now we know the
difference, you see.
Yeah, you see, because somepeople are very often disturbed

(21:30):
when they're very spiritual andonly ways in that pure positive
and everything else energy, youknow, then they get very easily
disturbed.
Or the opposite is also good,you know, then they get very
easily disturbed, or theopposite is also good, also true

(21:50):
.
So I think that in a way, mymother served me by showing me
the side.
That is not what I embraced.
Yeah.
And it served Masha as well.
To see the difference.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
As you guys are talking, the image that comes
into my mind is this pendulumthat swings from one side to the
other through the generationsand I think the work that we do
is to make the swinging lesspronounced, instead of going
from one side to the other.
And that's what trauma does islike you know you completely
reject or you completely repeatthe pattern and the pendulum

(22:30):
does these big swings that youknow in your guys' system.
It's like the pendulum justgoing, you know, like, from one
side to the other and then youstart getting this balance and
you find you know the center andI would imagine you know your
kids, m Masha, are very groundedand very centered and very

(22:52):
intuitive and probably have thisright sizing with their
spiritual side as much as youknow the human side, right, and
I love how you put that.
It's like you know I could talkand be normal, right, and it's
like I could talk about kind ofthe spiritual side and then talk
about it because I'veexperienced, experienced the
same thing, my, my whole life.
That is like, oh, when we gettogether and we start talking
about spiritual things, peopleare like you, people are crazy,
right, and you know right, doingconstellations.

(23:15):
You're telling people andpeople like, oh, you're in a
cult and you're, you guys areweirdos.
And now it's like you canreally integrate both
conversations and show up as thefull self right, rather than
that split between.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yes, and to be nonjudgmental, you have to know
what judgment is To be notcynical, you have to know what
cynicism To be you know to befearless.
You have to know fear.
Yeah.
It's an education.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, and and have that kind of balance and right
sizing of all of those emotions.
You know, and, and and whatyou're saying, michelle, about
trauma and talent is is so is soappropriate.
You know, and and now I knowyou guys are shifting gears a
little bit.
I know you guys are workingtogether, you know, and, and
bringing this, this modality, tothe world.

(24:10):
How's that dynamic been?
And is this like a magnum opusof your guys' work?
That you guys are workingtogether and presenting Family
Constellations to the world?
How's that dynamic been?

Speaker 4 (24:25):
So with work, I feel like I've always worked with my
mom since I started working.
We've had different businessestogether, and so I learn a lot
from her, because she is likethe ultimate business woman.
You know she really is such anamazing business woman and so it

(24:47):
comes through in anything thatshe does and so I learned so
much from her from that,obviously, like this is
definitely more fun.
I get to travel, I get to do goto all these different places
and meet very interesting people, so this is my favorite
business that we've had so far.
So Knuckles like that a lot sheis.

(25:08):
I think that our workingrelationship is great because we
have a good relationshipoutside of work.
It definitely blends into thetwo because we're always talking
and we're always discussingthis basically for the most part
, and so it does work reallywell.

(25:28):
I do a lot of things in anassistant's role for my mom, so
I am the best assistant thatshe's ever had in her entire
life and nobody could ever takemy place.
So don't even think about it.
Makes sense, she's made it veryclear that I am her number one

(25:51):
assistant, so I know what shelikes to eat, I know what, most
importantly, I know what shedoes not like to eat, so that
because she's a picky eater, Imean like a, like a toddler,
really.
It's a fun fact about Michelleand, um, I know, like, what her

(26:18):
different deeds are and herexpectations, and she has very
high expectations for for workand and work ethics and
integrity and all of that.
So I, I, I love it.
It's great, we have a lot offun, we laugh a lot and um, and
I learn a lot, so it so it's awin-win.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
And, if I can add, I think it's the perfect situation
because, look, I'm not going todo that for that long, because
I think already I have, you know, my longevity is already great.
So how long am I going to behere?

(26:56):
But so it will be a legacy forMarsha, I think, because she
will be able to really get intothe shoes, naturally, and at
this time, because she's still avery she's a very good mother.
She's much better mother than Iwas, in that sense of mothering

(27:20):
, you know, and she's very closeto her children, with the work,
with the gate, with theeverything.
She's very attentive.
Okay, I did not have thisleisure, but even if I had, I
have to be honest, I don't knowif I would have had the talent
for that.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
So she did not get that from me.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
She did not get that from me.
She was fortunate to have,incredibly, and you knew him
very doting father.
He was a father, he was agrandfather, he was even, I

(28:06):
would say, a sibling.
For her, he was everything.
It's true, isn't?

Speaker 4 (28:11):
it.
Yes, he was like my ultimatecompanion, you know, because my
mom would work and travel and hewould.
He would take me places and hewould take me where I needed to
go, and and he was very, he wasvery nurturing too, you know, he
he had, he had a very nurturingside to him exactly, and you
know I I work in retail foryears, so it was saturday,

(28:34):
sundays.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Whatever he will take her to the park, he would do
all the things that I was notable to do and I would not have
been gone.
I would not have been good todo it either.
Okay, was not my thing so Ithink it's good because she at
this stage of her life, she'sstill very busy with her
children.

(28:55):
Okay, they're not in collegeyet, so this will change when
she.
So it gives her the opportunityto do her own work and actually
, even when they were younger,she did.
She did work without me, whenyou were working with Gabby, for
example, or things like that.

(29:15):
She has clients.
She works on her own, but notas much as I do, because for me,
what else do I have to do?
Okay, yeah, yeah.
This is my main.
It's not just my mainoccupation, it's my main

(29:36):
entertainment.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
So I think it's a good balance because it gives
her the opportunity not to haveto work constantly, to be non in
the field.
She's always part of the field,but she does it at her leisure.
And me I'm part of the fieldconstantly because I sleep and

(30:07):
eat and on it.
You live in the field, I livein a home, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, and that statement, that's such a
powerful statement.
It's like please bless me if Ichoose to do it differently
which is just like such abeautiful manifestation of that
right Is that you know, in someway and I don't want to speak
for you, masha, but you're doingit your way right?
That you know, and it's whenthe timing's right and the stuff
and it goes in different phasesof life.
It's just such a powerful thingto see that.

(30:36):
You know, like they say in AAmeetings or Al-Anon keep working
, because it works.
If you work it, you know, kindof that thing is like this the
work that we're doing and thedynamics that we show is the
evidence that this stuff worksright.
That healing, dealing withtrauma, that dealing, taking
those talents and taking thosegifts and the trauma and
acknowledging all of it andgiving all of it in space that

(30:58):
it actually works Right.
And you know so many peopletalk about, um, you know,
working in a, in a family, right, it's like working with your
family.
So I work with my sister and mymom and the the one of the
biggest evidence.
You know that one of the biggestpieces of evidence that you can
show is that it works when youwork with your family and when
you've dealt with the crap andwhen you've dealt with the

(31:18):
mountain of stuff that you guyscan work together.
Right, that it's not.
You know cats and dogs going,you know you guys.
Did you guys ever see Americanchoppers?
You know the, the sons thatwould build the motorcycles, and
they're like throwing chairs ateach other.
Yeah, you know, it's all themotorcycles and they're like
throwing chairs at each other.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's allreality show and they, you know,
they can't stand each other andit's, you know, it's a family
and they're, you know, superdysfunctional.
And this is harmony.

(31:42):
What harmony looks like?
That everybody's in their placeand everybody has their time
and everybody has their space todo the things and support in
the way that they do it.
So it's just, it's really is atestament to how well this stuff
works.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Absolutely, and also like the intention, like my
intention you know this, john,because it's what I intend for
you as well is that for all thefacilitators, for everybody who
does this work, for that itbecomes so mainstream that it's
like okay, so what are you doingthis weekend?
Oh, I'm going to FamilyConstellation, obviously.
Or for it to become like soingrained in everybody's life.

(32:16):
So that's really my dominantintention right now.
So it's, you know, everythingthat I could do with social
media, with responding to emailsand just making sure that my
mom, you, john, everyone who isdoing this work actively, that
people know about you, is doingthis work actively, that people

(32:36):
know about you, and that itbecomes like a common,
mainstream language, like sothat to get to the point where
you don't have to say tosomebody like you know, do
family consultation, have youheard of it?
People like will say right awaylike, of course I have, oh, my
God, and know exactly whatyou're talking about.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know I'm so grateful for you guys because
you know, in some ways you guysbuilt the path for this right
and Michelle and you, you knowfor how many years did you know,
constellation afterconstellation after
constellation in your apartmentin Miami and so many flowers
came from and so many differentkind of people blossomed from

(33:10):
that ecosystem.
And I just want to say howgrateful I am to both of you
guys because you guys both hadthis huge part of, in your own
way, supporting this ecosystemand popularizing the work right
and, saying, really hitting themain stage.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, we are in together.
So are you, because, you see,with your podcast, with your
constellation work andeverything else on top of your
own career, because this is notyour main career and this is one
thing that we really have incommon, among many things, is

(33:53):
that we have been here to spreadthe word in any way or form
that we can, and this is whereuniversal laws and all that we
have learned, with the like ofWendayer and Deepak Chopra and
Eckhart Tolle besides Abrahamand everything else, all the

(34:17):
teachers is that when we set upintentions, when we stay on the
line of choosing where we liketo go, of choosing knowing that
life is a smuggler's board, thatwe are creators, that we can do
, then things happen.

(34:38):
Okay, things happen, and theyhappen to the will, they happen
to the heart, they happen to themind.
Everything is playing a part,you see.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, and you know, like you, you know this has
happened to me a lot lately andit's because I'm in the right
space, healing, and I've donethe work and I've done the stuff
that that's happened.
It's like things just happeneasily.
It's the weirdest thing in theworld.
You know, you some I've, I'vebeen somebody that sent, you
know, many of my the articlesthat I write.

(35:12):
I sent them to a lot of peopleand then suddenly, suddenly, I
did some work and some people inmy family did the work, and
then it's like I sent one emailand I got to the person that I
wanted to get to and immediatelyeverything worked out.
And it's like this is likemagic.
It was like, well, you weren'tready.
There was a pebble in thesystem that was holding the

(35:35):
gears together, dam talking to,like you know, extraordinarily
influential people around theglobe.
How, how did that process workfor you guys?

(35:57):
How did that?
Was that like a timing thing?
Was it something that you guyshad been working on?
How did how did that processwork?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Okay, so I can talk about that, because every day I
do intentions.
Okay.
I do intentions, okay, I meanthe way I coach actually is,
that is, pillars, you know, andbuilding or rebuilding the
foundation.
Yeah.

(36:23):
Meditation, connection,appreciation and intentions.
Okay, and my intentions everyday is to spread the word, to
spread the word for this work,to spread the word, you know, I
mean I really since day one, andthis is what I really teach,
and I know Marsha does the same.

(36:44):
Teach the people that have adesire, that have an intention,
but they don't really know howto navigate the ropes.
Okay, but the ropes are verysimple, you know, you choose,
you choose, we have choices.

(37:06):
And it's funny because a lot ofpeople then the universe works
its own way.
A lot of people then theuniverse works its own way.
One of my intentions is everyday to say I choose to drive my
life because the universe is myco-pilot.
So the universe is my GPS.
I never say I choose to beinvited by Tony Robbins, for

(37:31):
example, yeah, but I always sayand I always visualize myself
being called by somebodyimportant.
In my head it would have beenOprah, which I had kind of
connection but, I, was not theone to go for it.
It would have had to come.
So it's very interestingbecause a lot of people say to

(37:53):
me how did you get to go there?
And my answer is always throughthe heart.
And you know why it makes a lotof sense?
Because actually the personthat introduced me to them is a
cardiologist.

(38:13):
So it's really to the heart.
And, interestingly enough, thelast time I was in Miami I had
lunch with this person and Itold the story you know about
Alice and Michelle Remember thatyou had to unblock your heart

(38:35):
before it happened because I had, you know, blocked arteries.
And I and I say, yeah, I didnot think about that you know.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
actually this is like the anniversary of your heart
surgery.
Really yeah.
Remember you were in recovery.
I think it was around this time.
You were in the hospital on mybirthday and my birthday is
tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yes, three years ago.
Yeah, three years ago.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Wow, yeah, and how much things have changed in the
last three years, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
So you know you cannot make up this stuff.
You know, no, and you know youcannot make up this stuff, you
know.
This is the way you know itworks because the intentions is
there and you reinforce it.
So you know, and it's a job Hi.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I'm John Zulu.
One is more than just a podcast.
It's a mission to bring healingto families and communities.
By becoming a supporter onBuzzsprout, you make this
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Click the link in thedescription and join us, and
thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's a job, so it's why a lot of people don't.
And actually those intentions,you know that were channeled to
me 15 years ago.
How many times did I or Mashasend it to people and then they
don't have it, they don't knowwhere it is?
Masha had the actually it wasRemy.

(40:03):
She had the idea of makingpictures, didn't?
She Wasn't?

Speaker 4 (40:09):
it Remy, it might have been William, Maybe William
Remy or William Somebody.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
The two Somebody said to do so.
Masha has been putting onInstagram.
Okay, those illustrated 44intentions.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
John knows, because I tag him every day.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, they're great, they're outstanding.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Isn't it the second time around with different
images?
You know, yeah, because imageswork better.
You know, imagination.
Language is so important.
Language is so important and Ilike to say something that I

(40:49):
heard very recently.
Okay, very recently, I heardsomeone the scientifically
proven thing of the two firstorgans that were formed in the
fetus Okay, in the fetus, thetwo first organs and everybody

(41:17):
can guess who is the first oneis the heart.
What do you think is the secondone?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I know the answer, so I'll let john um, I'm gonna
guess let's see um the eyes, no.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
It's the tongue.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Because first there is a vibration, then there is a
sound and then there is the wordlingus lengua in Spanish, long
in French.
Okay, and that tongue, whichmeans when the tongues pick from
the heart.
Wow, Beautiful, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I love that.
That's amazing.
Yeah, I love that.
I didn't know that the tongue Idid not either.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I heard it.
What?
Three months ago, somethinglike that, a couple of months
ago?
Did we ever fact check that?
No, no, no.
Ago, something like that acouple of months ago, did we
ever fact check that?
No, no, no.
Yeah, it was scientificallyproven, okay.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Wow, wow.
That's very powerful to thinkabout that connection between
what we speak into existence andthe heart.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
And you know how focused I am on language.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, yeah, very focused.
Yeah, language, yeah, yeah,very focused.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, language is essential.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, one of the thingsthat you say and I always
repeat this is responsibility,right, that ability to respond.
You know it's like that's whatresponsibility at the core is.
Is that having that ability torespond.
And you know what a gift tohave this conversation with your
mom, masha, the day before yourbirthday, right, it's like what

(43:00):
was happening.
You know what was happening allthose years ago, right, when
the day before you're gettingready to give birth is, you know
, and having this conversationright now, I think, is such a
beautiful thing and such atestament that we're on the
right track and having yeah,beautiful thing and such a
testament that we're on theright track and having yeah,
yeah

Speaker 2 (43:19):
yeah, yeah, yeah, the gift, yeah, that I had.
I mean it was not easy.
Okay, because I remember thatthat day before, okay, when I
really start having the laborpain.
And then I had 12 hours oflabor and I ended up with a
C-section.
As we know, in constellation, aC-section is a trauma for the

(43:42):
baby.
So, you know, it's because itcreates a break in the bond and
you have to recreate, you haveto reconnect, you have to
reconnect?
Yeah, and you see it very often.
When the delivery is difficult,when the pregnancy is
challenging, when there is anykind of you know, you stay long

(44:08):
in the hospital.
Yeah.
I could not breastfeed becausemy milk was not good, you know.
So it's a lot of things thatplay that you have to overcome
then.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, yeah, and that first, that constellation where
you and I met, you know, withMark Mark was doing a lot of
early disconnection work withthe mother.
Do you remember that it was?
The work was so powerful it'dbe like you know what was?
You know, the constellationwould come up and like what was

(44:40):
your birth?
Like you know it's like, oh my,you know, my mom got really,
really sick after, after the thebirth, and it was just about
people taking a step towardstheir mother and just doing like
a very quiet, no talkingmovement of just connecting with
, with the mother right and therepresentative of the mother.
It was just, it was sobeautiful of, of having of of

(45:09):
doing that work.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I'm just, you know all this work is is born and
then the mother is very soonpregnant with a second child so
it's not available to the babythat is going up, or you know
all this, everything that islinked to that.

(45:31):
The miscarriages can be youhave to work it out for the
child that comes.
The miscarriages can be youhave to work it out for the
child that comes aftermiscarriage or an abortion.
All this work I remember.
It's very funny because duringthe training actually, I
remember that when Mark wantedto work about the miscarriage

(45:55):
and abortion, when he came to meI said I'm fine, I'm good, I
made peace with it andeverything.
He said you got to do it.
I said no, I'm telling you I'mgood.
He said if you don't do it, I'mnot going to satisfy you.
Oh, wow, wait yeah so.

(46:16):
Oh, wow, wait, yeah.
So I say okay and I ended up intears and one of the children
that I did not have, which wasan abortion, was your wife.
It was Miranda.
Really I remember that, yes.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Full circle family constellation Full circle,
exactly, exactly, and how theseconstellations all come together
.
Wow, yeah, it's amazing, wow,wow.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
And yet I thought that I had it working out.
It's why we work only with 20%of conscious mind and this was
why I called it the missing link.
I say it many times because Ithought that I knew it all until
and we never do know it allanyway, Because every time there

(47:15):
is something new that comes tothe surface.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, I'm usually envious of people that have
never done constellations beforeand they're at their first
constellation because theypassed that threshold, right.
It's like Wizard of Oz, youknow, dorothy's in the black and
white and she's in Kansas, andthen it's all color, right.
It's like and it's 4K HD, youknow, avatar.

(47:39):
It's just, it's wild to seepeople that come through that
threshold.
And you know, I was somebodyhad just done a constellation.
They'd come down and I wasfacilitating a constellation
here in Fort Lauderdale and theywere like now I know, now I
understand, I'm like, yeah,that's.
You know, we were entangled bythese patterns and now we're
breaking free of them.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
And everything.
And it's interesting becausethis is how you start this talk
about the mother the mothertongue, the mother country, the
mother land.
Remember, in Fort Lauderdale,the last time we, I think, it's
the last time we worked together.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
And all of a sudden I was inspired to have all those
people that had difficulty withconnecting with their country of
origin.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, okay, that was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
And you know how many people have called me after
that to tell me how it changedtheir perspective and everything
else.
Yeah.
Because you know all thosethings and they're all about the
mother.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Yeah, yeah.
So I did a variation of thatmother one and I did the four Ms
.
So four Ms is you do two linesof people the first line is
working and then they representyour mother and then the other
line you know is working, andthen they represent your mother
and then the other one.
The other line represents money, then the other one represents

(49:01):
your motherland and then theother one represents your
meaning, your meaning in lifeyeah.
So it's like staggering andgoing that was, that was such
and that was inspired by you.
Yeah, that was inspired by you.
Yeah, that was inspired by you.
That was a very, very powerfulone.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I love it yes.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
It's a heavy lift, but it's really good.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
It's good that we can inspire each other and we do it
with so much love and gratitudeand everything else, which is
wonderful, because there issomething beautiful about that,
because in business usuallythere's always a little bit of

(49:42):
competition and notincarceration.
No.
Because it's all about openness.
Yeah, there's so much abundance, exactly, and sharing and
sharing Family it's the premiseof the mod abundance, exactly
and sharing and sharing.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Family.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
It's the premise of the modality.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, it's the premise of the modality that you
know that there's an infinitelevel of abundance out there
that we just it's just waitingto get tapped into.
You know, and that's what Ilove.
It's so collaborative and wehelp each other out, and it's
just part of where this comesfrom, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(50:21):
So, masha, tell me, tell mesome of the surprises that
you've had over working withyour mom.
What has that, that been like?
What's, what's some of the likehappenstances or curiosities
that have happened, you guysworking together?

Speaker 4 (50:32):
She surprises me every day happened, you guys
working together.
She surprises me every day.
That's such a gift.
That's so cool.
Um, well, I mean, she's such acharacter really like.
She is definitely this, um, Ithink that's why she belongs
like on stage with all thesepeople and watching her, because
she is, she is such a characterreally.

(50:56):
You know, she, um, and she'sable to go deep inside of her
heart but also has like a senseof humor and so all of these
different things.
So, um, surprising, um, youknow she's has such multi facets
about her.
You know she can play.

(51:17):
You know there's the card one,the card Michelle, who plays
cards, and she can get lost inher cards for hours and hours
and hours.
And there's the mamish.
You know the grandmother whodoesn't say no, who's like
anything.
You want my grand, whatever youwant, you want money, I give

(51:39):
you money.
I am money.
There's the tough cookie.
You know who's like.
I need to find out and get tothe bottom of this because it is
driving me crazy.
You need to find out what to dohere.
You know all of these differentthings.
So I I'm always, you know, onmy toes, ready to.

(52:02):
I mean, there's been so manytimes where she's about to go on
her either it's you or I am, orsomething, and she's like, oh
no, something's not working andI'm in my car on my way going to
.
So it always keeps me on mytoes.
It's really fun.
And obviously all the greatperks of going to Abu Dhabi and

(52:24):
Mexico and being able to go toall these different UPW Tony
events and meeting so manywonderful people.
And I think the best part ofall of those things is she goes
my mom goes in the wheelchairbecause it's easier.
I mean she can walk.
It's funny when people see herwalking and they're like she

(52:45):
walks just faster.
And like when I'm wheeling herto the bathroom because there's
a short break and she has to pee, and people stop in front of
her and they say, can I just hugyou and I just want to tell you
how you've changed my life, andI'm like and I have to navigate

(53:05):
her and get her to the bathroomor whatever.
So it's always a lot of fun andit's, yeah, every day.
It's kind of an adventure,right, mom?
We it's kind of an adventure,right, mom?
We have a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I just want to say something.
When I am, you know, in themost, in the most what you call
it luxurious hotel of Abu Dhabi,I bargain with the guy on the
cashmere shop.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Yeah, she's like she's.
She was told it's always verycold at these Tony events.
And she's like we're at thisbeautiful hotel and this guy is
selling, I don't know, scarvesmade from goat the most
beautiful.
And she's like I tell you whatI buy, two, and you know she's
haggling like those funniestthing and you know.

(53:59):
And then she'll start talkingand saying about what she does,
and and then they're always.
Everybody falls in love withher and it's, it's great.
You know, it's really it's goodto be michelle blackner.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, no, that's that's such a cool thing to
witness, especially with yourfamily.
You know, and that's I was'ssuch a cool thing to witness,
especially with your family.
You know, and that's I washearing Jordan Peterson talk
about you know, working withyour family, that you know, if
you raise your kids right andyou do this work, that you may
have the opportunity and thegift to work with your kids
Right, and it's like such a likeand you get to have the inside

(54:32):
jokes and you get to live lifetogether Right, and it's like
such a beautiful thing that youhave these experiences and,
especially in this phase of life, that you just have like you're
adults and you can and you youlike each other right, it's not
by obligation, you just reallyenjoy each other's company and
you can clearly see that thatyou guys have such a good time
together and navigate theseincredible opportunities

(54:55):
together.
It's just what a it's like amiracle you know to to to have
that especially, and that's whyI wanted to make this
conversation.
You know, like themother-daughter relationship
that you know so many peoplestruggle with and that that
there's beauty in this.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
We've definitely like we've definitely had our
struggles, Like I don't wantanyone.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Nobody does yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
We've worked through, yeah, we've worked through.
We've worked through a lot ofstuff, and so, um, and, and
that's what's so important, isthat you know, when you start
realizing that the relationshipthat you have with your mother
and your father are reallyimportant, you and they'll
dictate all other relationshipsthat you have in your life and
you want to heal that shit.
And so, even though ourrelationship my mom and I was
never traumatic or anything thatwas dramatic or anything like

(55:41):
that the regular, justmother-daughter stuff that comes
up we've healed through that.
We can laugh through things.
She could tell me when I'm beinga pain in the ass.
I could tell her when I'm beinga pain in the ass.
I could tell her when she'sbeing in pain in the ass, and
that's all about the honestything.
Sometimes I'll be like my momstop, like enough.

(56:05):
Or she'll say to me you know,masha, you better, you know,
change your vibration, you know.
So we both call each other out.
You know, like the other day, Idon't know what was happening,
and she says something like I, Ireally want, I go, I choose,

(56:26):
you know.
So we're both are each other'sreminder of all of this work.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, so you know that's you know and that's you
know.
I, um, you know that's and Ithink that's the real story here
is that, even though there'sdifficult times and challenges,
that if you work on your shitand my favorite saying right is
like if you work on your shitthat there's light on the other,

(56:53):
on the end of the and there'sthis incredible reward of like
connection and memories and liveexperiences together on the
other side of this, that can youcan create a family that
collaborates, that are allaligned, that all, all are on
the same kind of momentumtowards healing.
So you know and and you guysjust display that beautifully

(57:13):
not to minimize you know thestruggles of the past in any way
, but to really say thestruggles are part of the story.
You know the struggles is whatmakes it worth it, you know.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
And it's always wonderful, and this is why it's
so sad when you have systemswhere the mother passed when the
child was very young.
Yeah, and you can see whathappens afterward, because the

(57:47):
mother, even when the mother isa pain in the neck, even when
the mother is very difficult andchallenging and everything else
, it's really an imprint and I'mgrateful for my pain in the
neck, mother.
You know, yeah, because shereally taught me so wonderful

(58:08):
things about life as well, yousee.
And then also, what happenedand that is very important is to
remember that that motherbehind you has been a child too.
Yeah, yeah.
Has been a child having to dealwith the mother's trauma of her

(58:36):
own mother and all the stuffthat has happened even before,
generations before.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
So we got to give a break to mothers, yeah, yeah,
and that they did the best thatthey could with what they had,
absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Absolutely, and no one can work alone.
It's an equal system.
Awareness that we work togetherand when you think about it and
it's why I'm grateful to youthat you have taken this
opportunity to talk about motherand daughter is in this work,

(59:20):
is the most essentialrelationship.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Really is.
I mean, when you think about it, when it ties like what you
said, you know money meaning,all of those things are what
make us thrive and have thepotential of making our lives
really more meaningful.
So it's an importantrelationship to work on.
I mean, it's a relationshipthat Mark Wolwin was told to

(59:44):
work on first when he was goingblind and was having all of
those things.
So you get to the root of that.
I mean I could see myself likein my role of mothering when
things happen and you know craphappens and problems occur and
issues come up.
I can see why some mothers canchoose to check out emotionally

(01:00:05):
when things get really hard,when things start happening, and
how difficult it is to staypresent.
So I've been analyzing a lot ofthe ways that when I'm
confronted with an issue with mychildren, I really check in
with myself and see thedifferent ways that I would like
to respond.

(01:00:26):
Some of the ways that I'd liketo respond sometimes is getting
on a plane and going somewherewarm and just laying on a beach
somewhere and letting someoneelse take care of it.
So I understand, you know, likenow I understand, why some
parents, some children, canlater on say oh, my mom just
always seemed very checked outwhenever there was an issue,

(01:00:47):
whenever there was a problem.
So it takes a lot to be presentwhen your children are in pain,
to be present when yourchildren are in pain, because
there is no harder pain to dealwith as a parent than seeing
your children in pain.
So all of this, all of thesetools, help us as mothers,

(01:01:07):
fathers, to really be presentwith that pain and to also
understand that when I see mychildren in pain, I check in
with my inner child, becausethat is something that's
triggering for me and to reallybegin to allow that check-in

(01:01:28):
process so that the solutionscan come up, so that we can
start, you know, so I couldthink clearly, because as
mothers, really that's andfathers, that's the most
important thing you want to beable to.
You choose to be able to thinkclearly, rationally, and so that
the guidance can come in.
I'd read some.

(01:01:48):
I'd read this quote years agoand it was Jacqueline Kennedy
who wrote it and she saidsomething like years ago, and it
was Jacqueline Kennedy whowrote it and she said something
like if you boggle, you know, ifyou bungle raising your
children nothing else you dowell in life will have much
meaning andit's something that I think
about all the time in terms ofeven, you know, purpose and and

(01:02:10):
doing the work and and gettingout there in a big way, because
I've always chosen to really bevery present with my kids and to
be there and to do things forthem, with them and that in mind
, but because I really feel thatit's not about, like, what

(01:02:31):
school they go to or theiraccomplishments or their
successes, cause we know thatthat is something, that that's
their journey, right.
But to be a mother that can giveyour children that love and
that support and stay presentand not bring their own shit to

(01:02:53):
the table is a very it'schallenging thing to do at times
, so we need all the help thatwe can get to do that.
But it is something that Ithink about all the time, about,
you know, these are my children.
They came to me and it is myresponsibility to make sure that

(01:03:18):
I give them the tools and theresources so that they can have
the lives that they want to have, that they choose to have.
So it's something that I thinkabout all the time.
Yeah.
One quote from JacquelineKennedy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
It's just.
There's something that isimportant to have, because
neither one of us here had thisproblem, but we see a lot of
couples then part and when theparents fight and criticize each

(01:04:03):
other to their children becausewe see a lot of it in this work
, as you know, yeah, challengingthey make for their children to
grow up in an healthy way.
Yeah.
Because if you criticize theirmother as a man to your children

(01:04:29):
and then they criticize thefather as a woman, the children
don't exist anymore.
Yeah.
They lose all marks.
Yeah, you see.
So that is very importantalways to underline when we do

(01:04:50):
this work with people, becausethey often forget.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
They often forget, yeah, yeah, and how much the
tongue can create but alsodestroy, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Absolutely Okay, and I mean it's unbelievable the
number of people that don'trealize that they do that to
their children, that they dothat to their children.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah, and you know what I think you know.
Tying Masha's point before tothis point is that you know our
children are barometers, rightIn some way, of what's going on.
And Masha, I think you'reabsolutely right they know, yeah
, they know, and they'rerepresenting that inner child
wound that we have that wehaven't dealt with yet and that

(01:05:46):
may be anxiety or, you know,disconnection, or maybe you know
some compulsive behavior orwhatever.
That is that you'd be likewhat's wrong?
It's like, how about parentingthrough constellations?
Have you ever had that approach?
Right?
It's like, and I feel and Ithink at the beginning of this
conversation we were, we werehaving this like I feel so
terrible about people that don'thave access to this tool, like

(01:06:07):
I feel a deep sense ofresponsibility and duty to say
to to get this work to as manypeople as possible because
they're living lives ofsuffering without having any way
out.
They just they're tied in thispattern of pain and repeating a
pattern over and over and overagain, when there's this
extraordinarily effective toolthat can break these cycles and

(01:06:30):
give people meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
But this is why it's important to spread the word.
Don't even think about peoplethat cannot have access.
Think of everybody that we canaccess, focus on this and be
grateful for everyone that wehave access to and that have
access to other people that haveaccess.
Every day I get texts, I getemails.

(01:06:57):
Someone told me about you.
And they said that you're lying.
Da da, da, da, da da da and theymake you and they said that
you're lying.
That, that, that, that, that,that you know and they make
appointment, that they do andyou know it's.
It's that way and we have tofocus that.
This is the only way.
Yeah.
And it's happening, yeah, it'shappening.

(01:07:18):
15 years ago when I met you,yeah, it's happening.
15 years ago when I met you, Iremember it was 33,000
facilitators in Brazil, becauseBrazil is a very evolved country
for that, it was not 33,000people that knew about
Constellation then.
Yeah, yeah.
So look at that yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
It's amazing.
Yeah, look at that we are.
It's amazing.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Look at that we are pioneers and you are young.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
So you have to continue the work even deeper
and even more, and with all yoursoul.
Well, john, I already have Johnand his family that are going
to take me in when you're nothere anymore, so already made
that plan for myself.
But can I share a story, aparenting story?
Yeah, of course.
So recently my son had someshoulder issues and he plays ice

(01:08:19):
hockey and it's his life Likeit's his passion, and right now
you know he's on the road to,you know, going to college and
playing hockey at college.
That might happen, whatever.
It is his path and stuff.
And it was brought to the tablethat these shoulders needed

(01:08:40):
surgery and if you know anythingabout hockey, hockey season
lasts like forever.
It's just ongoing, right.
So we were I very much wantedto get the surgery right away.
Get it done.
You know what You'll get back.
You'll be back in time for nextseason.
Let's do this.

(01:09:01):
And you know, my husband playedhockey in college and so we're a
big hockey family and everybodywas on board, including my son,
and then I don't know,obviously, like things shift and
he was saying that he wanted tofinish the season, that the

(01:09:22):
coach wanted him to finish theseason too and that he can rehab
the shoulders and thenafterwards get the surgery and
whatever it is.
So I wasn't too happy aboutthat, like I just I'm somebody
who likes to just get things outof the way and let's do this
and whatever.
So I went to Susie Tucker had aworkshop a couple of weeks ago

(01:09:45):
and I was fortunate enough to beable to go, and she said to me
is there anything that you wantto work on?
So I said you know what, yeah,I want to work on.
I want to get some clarityaround my son and the shoulder
and everything.
So she asked me to pick someoneto pick to represent my son.
So I picked this guy and I pickhim because I know that he's a

(01:10:09):
facilitator, so I know that youknow what he's going to get the
job done.
And he was young-ish.
So I said, all right, I'm goingto pick him to play Max.
And then she picked other peopleto play all of the men in my
family.
So you're my husband, my dad,my husband's dad, all of the

(01:10:32):
generations behind the oneplaying Max.
And it was very emotional forall the men and very beautiful.
The unfolding was incredibleand it was about this surgery
and the end result was that fora little while longer because
you know how Susie is big onthose words and those statements

(01:10:55):
but for a little while longer,exactly as I am, exactly as I am
for my son, for a little whilelonger.
He wants to stay, exactly as heis, and it seemed like all the
men were really on board.

(01:11:17):
The guy playing Max was, youknow, just very emotional and he
was expressing himself.
So I only know this guy as afacilitator.
He has a big Instagram presence, like he's really, you know,
out there doing a lot of things,and he tells us that he played
hockey throughout his entireyouth.
And that hockey, in fact, hasmade him the man who he is today

(01:11:39):
, and that he uses hockey in hiscoaching, in everything that he
does.
Oh, wow.
All of a sudden my eyes openedbecause it was like it's not
just a sport, this is like and Iknew that before, but it's
different when you feel thingson the field and you see things

(01:12:02):
in front of you.
It's like the whole rewiring ofthe brain starts to happen.
Everything happens on such adeeper, more meaningful level.
So I was transformed in this.
The men were transformed by it.
Everybody around was just youknow.
I mean, like people who thoughtlike hockey was just a game all

(01:12:23):
of a sudden were like, yeah,this is like amazing.
Like I think everybody wantedto be a hockey player, or no one
, or oh, that's amazing.
Oh wait, the second.
The constellation ended at four.
You know four o'clock thatconstellation.
I go back to my seat.
I thank everybody and you knowshe does another consolation.

(01:12:44):
I don't look at my phone oranything like that.
And at the end, you know itends at 5 pm.
And I just look at my phone fora second and I see that there
is a text that came in from myson to my husband and I and it
said I have chosen you know thecoach is going to call dad later

(01:13:05):
on I have chosen to delay thesurgery.
I'm going to finish the season.
This is my story and I justwant you to support me, but I'm
doing it no matter what.
Wow.
So I was able to write back witha very light heart and deep

(01:13:25):
clarity and deep knowing I loveyou and I support you and like
my mom, says you cannot make upthis shit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Yeah, because it was, and the text came at 4.15.
You told me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Yeah, it came.
As soon as the consolationended he sent that text oh my
gosh jeez so you know he'splaying.
I mean, you know we'll see whathappens, and but this was his
decision and, no matter whathappens, I keep hearing Susie
with that statement for a littlewhile longer, exactly as I am.

(01:14:06):
So, yeah, so in parenting,using family consolation is
definitely advisable, because,had I not been in that constant,
like, obviously there was a big, deep movement, movement for
everyone there, but it allowedme to truly release and allow

(01:14:30):
and be the parent that herequired in that moment.
Maybe, if I hadn't, I wouldhave said let's talk about this
some more.
Oh, you may think this is yourjourney, but guess what?
It's my journey too, and I'mthe one who's going to have to
take care of you and I want youto get the surgery now.
No, I am so grateful to Susieand to everybody who was there,

(01:14:55):
because it allowed me, as a mom,to show up the way that I
intend every morning to show upas and this is where the
universal law and constellationgets so well connected is that
Susie doesn't come to New Yorkthat often.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
She was there that day.
Okay, because you created it,you created the perfect.
You know, I could not do thisconstellation.
I'm emotionally involved.
Okay, you had to have the best.
Okay because Susie, like Mark,because I, you know, I really

(01:15:37):
trained with both of them and Ilove them because they're so
great together, masculine andfeminine energy Susie was there
exactly the day because she wasthere twice, two Saturdays in a
row.
Okay, no, the Saturday and theSunday I'm sorry, no, no, no, it

(01:16:00):
was Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
And then she came back the following Saturday, the
following Saturday yeah, Iforgot the Sunday.
I'm sorry, no, no, no, it wasSaturday.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
And then she came back the following Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
Yeah, I forgot the words and you went that time
where you had to hear that and Iwent the week after, and it was
again very well good timing,john, if you would have seen the
guy who I chose to play.
It's not like I looked at himand thought, oh, you look like a

(01:16:25):
hockey player.
That didn't cross my mind atall.
I mean, there is nothing.
I assume that everybody inthere, whatever this guy, there
is nothing about him thatscreams hockey player, nothing,
hockey player, nothing.
So then to know that and I getchills thinking about what he
benefited from, because he also,you know, told us afterwards he

(01:16:54):
has a two-year-old son and youknow.
So all of the healing andthat's why we're so
interconnected in all of this.
And when you go on the field,you create this family, and your
soul and your ancestors show upfor you in the best way
possible.
So it really like it really wasamazing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
If we wrote a movie about the coincidences that
happened, people would be like,no, we don't believe it.
That's not true.
Yeah, no, because you know, andit happens every single time.
It's like turning the light on.
And you know, for the longesttime I thought about, you know,
when COVID happened, it's likedid the magic go away, you know,
did the?
You know, in Encanto you knowthe movie Encanto did the little

(01:17:34):
, you know light go out?
Did the little candle go out onzoom?
And we were like people 3000miles away in in Australia, or
you know, four or 5,000 milesaway in Australia, we're having
the immediate reaction and youknow representation, and it was
12 hours apart.

(01:17:54):
It was just, it's just such a,it's a miracle we live in, we
live in in, work in, in, in, ina miraculous modality and I'm,
I'm so grateful that I get to dothis stuff with people like you
, you know, like both of you,you know it's, we're so blessed
and and I'm, I'm so excitedabout what the future holds and,
um, you know, just just makingthis legacy and helping heal the

(01:18:20):
world.
I mean, that's what I think,what we're doing at the end of
the day, right, we're helpingheal the world and not, you know
, create more connection andcreate more, more abundance and
create more lasting stories.
And, michelle, your work with,and both of you work with with
Tony Robbins, you know, of allpeople of you know this, this
massive voice and and this workis incredible and, and some of

(01:18:40):
the people that we're connectingwith is I'm just so humbled.
I get very emotional when Ithink about this, but you know,
I get very just being inpresence of grace and I see that
happening in consolations on aregular basis.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
So, yeah, To need them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Yeah, so thank you guys so much for this.
This has been such a coolconversation.
I'm so blessed to call both ofyou friends, you know, and
family, and my energetic family,you know, in so many ways and,
you know, just want to alwayshonor you, michelle, and for
everything that you've done forme, in particular, because

(01:19:18):
you've worked on my business.
You facilitated constellationsfor me, you know.
So I'm always extraordinarilygrateful and one of the reasons
I'm here doing what I'm doing isbecause the conversation that
you and I had in the car we weredriving to do another podcast
and you're telling me that weneed to spread this right and
I'm listening.

(01:19:39):
So I'm here to serve and I'm sohappy I get to do it with
people like you.
So, and Masha, I'm listening.
So I'm here to serve and I'm sohappy I get to do it with
people like you and Masha, I'mso excited about what the future
holds.
So, yeah, this is very excitingand thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
And I'm excited of everything where you're going to
bring it, people like you andMasha where you're going to
bring it, how far you're goingto bring it.
So I will be the ancestorwatching from behind.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
We'll keep you properly staffed and worked.
Yeah, exactly, we'll be wellsupported and well staffed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
I'll be behind you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
We'll work with you Don't worry yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Don't worry, yeah, don't worry, you won't get bored
.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Last thing I wanted to be bored.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Yeah, exactly, exactly so.
If people want to get a hold ofyou, how does that happen?
What's the best way to do that?

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
So it's really accessible.
I mean it's michelleblechnercomis her website and we also are
on social media Missing LinkMasha216 on Instagram Very, very
accessible.
I think.
My phone number is up on thewebsite so you can call me, you
can text me, and I have a lot ofpeople calling and texting me

(01:21:01):
to coordinate appointments withMichelle.
So, yeah, you could find us.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Definitely, and you're going to be here.
You come to South Florida oftenand you guys do come to South
Florida often.
So, you know, keep an eye outand follow all the social media
links.
It's, you know, an incredibleopportunity.
You know I've done so much workwith you, michelle and Masha,
that I'm just so grateful anddon't miss the opportunity if
you have it.

(01:21:28):
So, thank you guys so much.
Love you guys.
This has been amazing.
Love you, thank you so much.
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