And So It Flows

'And So It Flows' combines our unique blend of water music, water news, water culture and deep water talk. 'And So It Flows' brings water outside the cup. Moisten your ears every Tuesday @ 2pm on WTBR 89.7 FM - Pittsfield Community Radio. Or listen via podcast on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Podcast Addict, Youtube Music and many more podcast platforms. And, remember to love your water.

Episodes

And So It Flows - December 9, 2025 - 'W.E.B. Du Bois And The Housatonic River: The Roots Of Environmental Justice'

December 9, 2025 • 59 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Ari Zorn, co-chair of the W.E.B. Du Bois Sculpture Project. Ari shares how Du Bois helped shape today’s eco justice movement by connecting racism, health, and the fate of the Housatonic River, before the world had words for it.

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And So It Flows - November 25, 2025 - 'The Thirst of AI: Unmasking Tech’s Hidden Costs'

November 25, 2025 • 59 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Hari Kumar, of Convivo. Hari and Leslie discuss AI’s flawed and resource hungry design and why its eco-costs, especially water and energy use, matter more than ever. We explore impacts on people, on business, and on economics.

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And So It Flows - November 18, 2025 - 'Seeing Through Stillness: Art, Spirit And The Natural World'

November 18, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with local artist Matthew Brinton to explore the intersection of art, spirit, and nature. From his Berkshire roots to his Thoreau related works, Matthew reflects on his own inspired path to the flow of expression, the arts and water.

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And So It Flows - November 4, 2025 - 'The Flow Home: A Veteran’s Story of Healing And Hope'

November 4, 2025 • 59 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Navy combat vet Eric Wasileski. From the high seas, to the sands of Iraq and back to the Berkshires, Eric shares his path of redemption to reach true inner peace and his founding of a Veterans for Peace chapter in Pittsfield, MA.

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And So It Flows - October 28, 2025 - 'Beyond the Swim: Water, Wellness, and Community Connection'

October 28, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Prashad Abeysinghe, Aquatics Director at the Gladys Allen Brigham Community Center, Prashad and Leslie to dive into the power of swimming, community, and water safety — and how the pool becomes a place where confidence, connection, and life skills flow.

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And So It Flows - October 21, 2025 - 'Currents Of Creation: Theater, Coral, and the Flow of Life'

October 21, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Williams College’s Amy Holzapfel. Leslie and Amy dive into the Crochet Coral Reef, a worldwide art and science project, where reefs are crocheted, stories are shared, as theater of life unfolds with connection, flow and science.

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And So It Flows - September 30, 2025 - 'Caribbean Flavors With Chef Andre Lynch'

September 30, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Chef Andre Lynch. Leslie and Andre discuss Caribbean flavors, hot jerk chicken, and a heaping splash of Caribbean island culture. They talk about food, spice, island life and why water is a partner for the islands’ best dishes.

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And So It Flows - September 23, 2025 - 'Fire and Water: Protecting People and the Planet'

September 23, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Lieutenant Scott McGinnis or the Pittsfield, MA Fire Department for an elemental conversation on fire safety, first responding, community outreach and how being a protector and environmentalist shapes his life’s mission

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And So It Flows - September 16, 2025 - 'Berkshire Water Beat With Leslee Bassman'

September 16, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Leslee Bassman, award-winning journalist of The Berkshire Edge. Leslee discusses the long delayed MA Dept Of Health’s Housatonic River PCB Cancer Study and the report’s various omissions for Berkshire residents and stakeholders.

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And So It Flows - September 9, 2025 - 'Water on the Ballot: Stronger Communities Through Action - With Jeromie Whalen'

September 9, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Jeromie Whalen, congressional candidate for MA’s 1st District.Jeromie and Leslie talk PFAS in Westfield, PCBs in the Housatonic, and how smart investments bioremediation and water infrastructure secures stronger communities.

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And So It Flows - September 2, 2025 - Not Joshing Around, Flowing Forward: The Spirit of the Josh Billings RunAground Triathlon

September 2, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Brian Berkel, of the Josh Billings RunAground Triathlon. Brian shares about the event’s natural spirit, the culture impact of Berkshire born humorist Josh Billings; and how nature can help heal post-industrial cities of the US.

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And So It Flows - July 29, 2025 - Crushed Ice

July 29, 2025 • 61 mins

Crushed Ice, our second episode of our Cold As Ice series, our host and H2O Ambassador Leslie Gabriel sits with Fernando León, of Berkshire Interfaith Organizing. They discuss the vigilant response to ICE raids in Berkshire County. They discuss the impact on neighbors and discuss the app ICE Block.

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And So It Flows - July 22, 2025 - 'River of Deceit'

July 22, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, sits with Bob Jones, of the Lee, MA Selectboard. Bob joins Leslie to discuss the town’s fierce resistance to a GE/EPA plan to dump PCBs in this Norman Rockwell town. A water fight with national impact, about truth, toxins, and standing up.

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And So It Flows - June 17, 2025 - Water, Waves And What's So

June 17, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, What if water had a soundtrack? Leslie dives into water’s meaning with chill vibes, liquid grooves, and ideas that ripple with consciousness and makes waves.

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And So It Flows - May 27, 2025 - Melting ICE: Community Power In The Face of Fear

May 27, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, our host and H2O Ambassador Leslie Gabriel talks with Fernando León, of Berkshire Interfaith Organizing, working with dozens of community groups including Roots & Dreams and Mustard Seeds. They discuss the community response to recent gestapo like ICE raids in Berkshire County,

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And So It Flows - May 20, 2025 - 'Regenerating A Thriving Life: Permaculture Systems That Flow'

May 20, 2025 • 61 mins

In this episode, our host and H2O Ambassador Leslie Gabriel talks with Brahm Gartner, a nationally recognized permaculture educator who teaches regenerative agriculture that restores natural ecosystems and water cycles. Brahm and Leslie discuss what it takes to grow a culture that honors thriving.

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And So It Flows - May 13, 2025 - UFO Raindrops from Space: Close Encounters in the Berkshires

May 13, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, our host and H2O Ambassador Leslie Gabriel talks with Melanie Kirchdorfor and Dede Barry to explore mysterious encounters by Lake Mansfield near Great Barrington, MA. They recount moments of eeriness and an overwhelming sense that something otherworldly was happening in our region.

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And So It Flows - April 22, 2025 - For Peat’s Sake: Secrets Of Rattlin' Bogs

April 22, 2025 • 59 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, talks with Rene Wendell, Land Steward for The Nature Conservancy. Rene and Leslie explore the magical mystery of bogs, their quiet power, ancient lore, carbon secrets, and why these mossy wetlands matter more than ever in a changing world.

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And So It Flows - April 8, 2025 - Where the Wild Things Hatch: The Biodiversity Of Vernal Pools

April 8, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, talks with Charlotte Hood, Volunteer and Outreach Manager and Berkshire Natural Resources Council. Charlotte and Leslie discuss enchanting vernal pools, predator-free havens where salamanders, frogs, and fairy shrimp thrive every spring.

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And So It Flows - April 1, 2025 - Berkshire Water Beat With Shaw Izikson

April 1, 2025 • 60 mins

In this episode, Leslie Gabriel, our host and H2O Ambassador, talks with Shaw Izikson, Managing Editor for The Berkshire Edge. Shaw and Leslie discuss Great Barrington’s possible public takeover of Housatonic Water Works. This sets the stage for a high-stakes special town meeting on April 17, 2025.

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And So It Flows

Episodes

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And So It Flows - November 18, 2025 - 'Seeing Through Stillness: Art, Spirit And The Natural World'

And So It Flows - November 4, 2025 - 'The Flow Home: A Veteran’s Story of Healing And Hope'

And So It Flows - October 28, 2025 - 'Beyond the Swim: Water, Wellness, and Community Connection'

And So It Flows - October 21, 2025 - 'Currents Of Creation: Theater, Coral, and the Flow of Life'

And So It Flows - September 30, 2025 - 'Caribbean Flavors With Chef Andre Lynch'

And So It Flows - September 23, 2025 - 'Fire and Water: Protecting People and the Planet'

And So It Flows - September 16, 2025 - 'Berkshire Water Beat With Leslee Bassman'

And So It Flows - September 9, 2025 - 'Water on the Ballot: Stronger Communities Through Action - With Jeromie Whalen'

And So It Flows - September 2, 2025 - Not Joshing Around, Flowing Forward: The Spirit of the Josh Billings RunAground Triathlon

And So It Flows - July 29, 2025 - Crushed Ice

And So It Flows - July 22, 2025 - 'River of Deceit'

And So It Flows - June 17, 2025 - Water, Waves And What's So

And So It Flows - May 27, 2025 - Melting ICE: Community Power In The Face of Fear

And So It Flows - May 20, 2025 - 'Regenerating A Thriving Life: Permaculture Systems That Flow'

And So It Flows - May 13, 2025 - UFO Raindrops from Space: Close Encounters in the Berkshires

And So It Flows - April 22, 2025 - For Peat’s Sake: Secrets Of Rattlin' Bogs

And So It Flows - April 8, 2025 - Where the Wild Things Hatch: The Biodiversity Of Vernal Pools

And So It Flows - April 1, 2025 - Berkshire Water Beat With Shaw Izikson

Popular Podcasts

And So It Flows - December 9, 2025 - 'W.E.B. Du Bois And The Housatonic River: The Roots Of Environmental Justice'

And So It Flows - November 25, 2025 - 'The Thirst of AI: Unmasking Tech’s Hidden Costs'