December 4, 2023 • 17 mins
Our friend Kyle Creek stopped by to talk about his book, "Fucking History: 52 Lessons You Should Have Learned in School," and tells us stories about his incredible life.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
To what would you talk about on your on your podcast?
Fine fifteen show. It is the fifteen minute morning show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We got a house full, We've got Danielle, We've got Scary,
We've got Scottie over in the serial Killers podcast booth straight.
Nate is here, and there's Garrett and Gandhi and Today's
Show and Tell Day. Yes, so we said Gandhi bring
us an object. So she brought a human being.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I r a huge thing that I like very much.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And we met Kyle backstage at a jingle ball I.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Do believe not yep, last year in Miami.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, introduce, Introduce your your show, intel object.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Okay, this is Kyle Creek aka the Captain on Instagram.
He has over half a million followers. He is a writer.
He's written history books for adults and then little kids
books children's books. Is that what we call them? Children's books?
He calls himself an instigator. I love following him. He's
full of really interesting nuggets and facts about history and
all kinds of stuff. So I thought I would bring
(01:06):
him in today. So it's Kyle.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I think though Nate's the most excited because he has
such a crush on him.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Already.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Man, I knew he was going to have.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
I thought he was just you know, blowing smoke in
my ass after and.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's what he wants to do.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
So yeah, he's a huge fan of history.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's written a book, which I also want to write
a book.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
But look at the guys mustache and facial hair.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
What's funny? As I actually cut this down last night,
I have I have. As soon as it starts drinking
more of my coffee than I can, I have to
cut it. And last night I was in the hotel
lobby having coffee, I was like, I gotta cut this
thing again.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's too long, it's absorbent. Why do you call yourself
the instigator? Let's get into that.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Well, I call myself the captain. But it came as
a joke with my friends in my twenties. I was
I was pretty rowdy, and they said going out with
me was like getting on a boat and waiting for
it to sink, because I was. I was. I prided
myself kind of being on the eighty six list at bars,
and I very much acted that way. And it was
a good nickname that stuck, and you could have a
(02:08):
worse nickname.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, so Gandhi's officially the captain of our show. Then
she's the Kyle Creek of our show. Yeah, she's the instigator.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
She's the one. Yeah, like she farts on the elevator
and gets off and leaves U there. Yeah, one of those.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I think I have a little bit more tact than that.
But we'll find out.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
They set me up for some nonsense. That was a metaphor.
I don't actually do that. So why do they call
you the captain? Who calls you the captain?
Speaker 6 (02:31):
I'll just explain that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Oh I thought it was Okay, I'm fine, someone else
ask a question.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now, Okay, look, you know what, there's let's talk about history.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We go to school, we're forced to go to history classes,
and sometimes we have history teachers that are just shitty
and they're just boring whatever. But when you can find,
no matter where you are in life, someone like you
that can find the most interesting storytelling through history, it
becomes fascinating and that we're so glad to have you here.
Talk about your love for history and what brought you
(03:04):
here today.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Yes, I was just talking about this outside. I mean
I grew up in Utah, so a lot of the
history I learned was Mormon history, pioneers coming to Utah
kind of thing, and I didn't like it. I didn't
like history at all. But then in my twenties I
started kind of researching it myself, and you know, like
you said, these interesting nuggets, and I was just kind
of upset that I didn't learn that at a younger age,
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because I found a lot of it very applicable to
my life. And that's what I do with that book.
Fucking History is I mean, whether you're a king or
a queen or you're some hot shit influencer, you're all
gonna deal with the same feelings of jealousy and envy.
And you know, we have insecurities, and that's what I
like about histories. You can learn about a king that
was so insecure he chopped off someone's head. And you know,
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I tried to find a way to, you know, take
that that very rash perspective, but apply it to your
life today. You know, with some antidote you can take
away because the story's memorable, but also it still applies
to you, just maybe not in such a violent fashion.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Wow, Okay, Fucking History.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I'm glad I'm on the podcast because I was just
saying I've done some TV interviews and I can't even
say the name of the book on TV, and I
was like, how are people supposed to buy this?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
They called history?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So GANDHI talk about how excited you were to have
him in here today. I mean, this is right up
your alley. And of course Nate as well, he's a
history nerd.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
We love it.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think it maybe even a little more up Nate
Sally than it was up mine. I'd like to follow
him on Instagram. I think he has really interesting nuggets
and great things to say that are very short and
sweet and digestible. He came in here, he and Nate
started talking and he actually looked at it and said,
oh wow, when you really are a big dork.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Kyle has figured out the secret. There's a secret to
enjoying history, and that's finding something interesting about it that
you find interesting because of your interests, right, And I've
we've talked about this before where people don't like learning
about history because it's so boring when you're learning about something.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That you don't give a shit about.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
But when you find out that people used to literally
drink out of the skulls of their enemies, you're.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Like, holy shit, Like I want to learn more about this. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I mean a lot of people you just hear the
same stories over and over. But then you know, one
of my favorite stories from that book is there was
a king in Denmark in the fifteenth century who was
ousted by his people kind of a public rebellion, and
rather than just kind of give up, he went and
moved into one of his castles on an island and
became a pirate. And he was like, I'm going to
get I'm going to get back at you guys. And
because he'd been a king and he had to lead
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groups of people, and he created a super powerful little
piracy ring for himself and for the next decade he
held the ports of Denmark ransom. It's kind of like
a fuck you back to the people.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Good for him, It's true.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
I like that kind of stuff because it's like, you know,
if you get some friends that push you out of
your life where you deal with a bad employer, you
can reinvent yourself. You can become a pirate.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
On your own eye.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
I like learning about his from that perspective and telling
it in that perspective because I think there's a lot
of actually motivational stuff you can find from a story
that crazy.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Is there some stuff in history that we all know,
like popular stories that you know that we all know,
but have a different have more to it that you know,
like kind of like some color to it, some different angles.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Yeah, So like like like there's got to be like
a popular story in history that we all know the
rest of this.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I bet you don't. I bet you don't know this
part of it.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
The top of my head. I can't really think of them,
but I know there's plenty of them, because history, you know,
just gets I mean, it's like that telephone game. As
it's retold and told, it kind of gets watered down.
That's one of the things I wanted to do with
that book is not water it down like I wanted.
When it was very violent, it's violent, and when it's
very bad, it's bad, but you can still look at
it from a way that you can learn.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You know, our friend Patty, our friend Patty has that
that podcast called The Backstory, and she does the same thing.
She tells the story about the couple that went with
President Lincoln to the theater that night wasn't about President Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It was the couple that was with and what they
went through.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
That cool.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know stuff like that. You're like, wait, wait, we
never there's a couple there was, like there were double dating.
You know, Mary Todd was there. We didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
But he hearing the rest of the story, it really
makes the original story a little more interesting.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, like that story in particular Mary Todd Lincoln.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Here you go.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
She was messed up. She was such a bitch, there was, ulyssesys.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Grant and his wife were actually invited to a company
Lincoln and Mary Todd to the theater, but Grant's wife said,
I Am not going to be in the same room
as that woman ever again. So Ulysses says Grant had
to turn down an invitation from President Lincoln because Mary
Todd Lincoln was such a bit.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
What I was talking about, like, it doesn't matter who
you are, we have the same feelings of envy and
jealousy and rage and insecurity, like it still happens with everyone.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
I want to I want to hear more about the
president that died in the bathtub. There's got to be
some more around.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
About the story. He couldn't he couldn't fit the bathtub story.
He got stuck in got stuck in the bathtubs. Daft,
it's gotta be some fun.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He didn't die that way.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, he didn't die in a bathtub.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Well, Kyle, when you go to parties and events, you
have like that ultimate party trick, So like when things
get awkward or quiet, like do you pull out the
So did you know.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
My party trick used to be snorting shots tequila? Was yeah,
my party. My party trick used to be like, that's
not the party trick, that's not in my books. Where
else it takes? I was like, oh, what up you?
That was started hang out with you. I was at
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a bachelor party. It was in parts of the Utah.
I was at a bachelor party and I don't know why,
but I got the idea of trying to snort the
line of hobb Andrew uh soul. Oh god. And that
was the one time I did something. I remember thinking like, God,
I fucked up. That was dumb. But that's I mean,
that's how it was in my early twenties, and you know,
and it comes from a place of insecurity. It's like
when you're twenty three, twenty four and you're trying to
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find out who you are in life. It's easy to
do that kind of shit and get attention. And that's
what I did, you know, And it was fun at
the time. But I think you're fun now.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Man.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I'm boring now. I live on a farm and my
girl was just telling it. My girlfriend texted me last night,
all exciting because we got our first ache from our chickens.
All right, I hear the farm life.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Now.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
I got two big great danes, a bunch of birds
and the sun and we're just trying to set up
a little, you know, kind of petting zoo for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I love that. What a life.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So out of all of the history that you've talked
about in your book, fucking history, is there one subject
you personally tend to gravitate toward more too, more than others?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Revenge? For sure? Yes, Okay, I think we can all
relate to feelings of revenge. Just like that story I
just shared about that King of Denmark. I just think,
you know, the revenge of becoming a pirate and holding
your country ransom for a decade is just I find
it very inspirational, actually iconic. It is.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Elvis does not believe in revenge. He says, the best
revenge is no revenge at all. It's true to just
be a bigger person.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
What is true, It is true best revenge. The best
revenge is no revenge. It's just not as interesting in
a story.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
To tell you that's a much better story. So I go.
I grub towards that.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Personally, I agree with the no revenge thing. But if
you're gonna ask me for advice, I'm gonna tell you
to become a pirate because I want to watch, and
I also want to have a story to tell, and
I want to be entertained.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'm sure you could come up with a billion and
one more incredible facts to put in a billion and
one more books. But after this went to press, was
there one story in particular? Like, damn it fuck, I
really wish I would have included that story. Is there
any that that you're really loving that didn't make the cut?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I mean, one of the things I didn't put in
there afterwards I probably should have is I believe it
was in Germany when you used to have a dispute
between a husband and wife, they would let you fight
it out out, but they would put the husband in
a pit up to his armpits. They dig a hole
and put him in there, and they would give him,
i think a single club, and then they would give
the woman like two clubs and she could basically run
circles around the guy and try to beat hiss. That
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was a legitimate way of solving conflict, like an a
llegal court setting, and I should have put that in
the book. But ever since the book's been out, I've
actually had to go through an amend a few things too,
because you know, new stuff comes to light or things change.
That's actually the third edition of that book right there too.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Wow. You know what that reminds me of.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
One of my favorite things that has fallen to the wayside,
is uh, the good old fashioned duel.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
The two guys don't start on a duel. Man Like
I said, I'm gonna wear my stets and had it
in here today. I love the idea of dueling. I
think a lot of people would be better with their tongue.
And I like the idea that if someone lied to
you in a card game, you could just shoot him
dead at lunchtime. I think I think it builds a
lot of character, and I think it's a lot of
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care that's missing, and I was talking. You know, I've
talked to a lot of people about this over the years,
and I'm probably not supporting this, but I do think
we need to bring back like public execution and stuff
like that, because.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Okay, I think I think when you lie at the
card game.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
It just makes society operate a little different.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
What did you say outside society would operate differently if
we were able to drink from the skulls of our enemies.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yeah, I was one of those favorite we're talking About's
a quote I wish I would have written. I read
it one time, and that said, the problem with societies
we no longer drink from the skulls of our enemies.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Yeah, there's actually a lot of psyche behind that, because
I mean, it really makes you think twice about doing
dumb shit.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Shine his shoes just for a second here, Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
You've been doing that?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Literally it was the last fifteen minutes. You know what
this book represents. This represents perseverance. Because I'm doing a
little Google on Kyle right now. He wanted to you
wanted to play football.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Didn't you find all this?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I did Google?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I didn't know that he tried to get into like copyright.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, you've got too many tattoos. People aren't going to
take you seriously.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
He went to Hollywood to become a screenwriter, didn't work out.
You went through alcoholism and depression.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Am I reading this correctly?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:11):
I was like the time of the Captain early twenties.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Once once football stopped for me, I became very added
like pain killers, and I went through a little stint
of having to kick that. Yeah, but yeah, I mean
what I like. You know, I first of all thank
you for bringing that up as far as like the
Perseverance sing oh, because I self published that book the
first time, and then I self published a follow up,
and then it was three four years after that a
publisher bought the rights to it. So like I've self
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published most of my books because publishers wouldn't wouldn't want
to buy off on that idea. But now once they
see it sell and people like it, they're like, oh,
now we want to jump on board. My life as
a writer has just felt like a constant battle. Like
when I decided I wanted to write for a living,
I was in college, and I just I always grew
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up reading and writing, and I really enjoyed it, but
I just could not get hired in Utah with my
fingers tattoo like. I had people tell me to my face,
your portfolio is great, you're an excellent rider, but we
can't hire you because you're not gonna present well to
clients in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Oh God.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
And it was until I finally met a Crave director
at a bar of all places, and that he was
a Crave director in an advertising agency, and I said, Hey,
I've been trying to get an advertising you know, if
if you don't hire me, I'm just gonna say fuck
it and give up. And he liked that, and so
we took a shot of whiskey together and he hired me.
And that started my advertising career and actually ended up
moving to New York. I was a Crave director here
on Madison Avenue for a couple of years, doing very well,
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working on a lot of hospitality projects here. And coming
from how hard it was for me to get into
the space and prove myself as a rider, that was
that was a big deal for me, unbelievable. So become
a pirate, but I still became You're a pirate, No,
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I used to I always used to do like a
sassy little captain, like the shortest shorts I could fit into.
What I did for many years it was how short?
How short can my short? I had a great icebreaker
at the time, too, Loo, because we'd go out to
bars and I would always bring a sharpie with me.
And it was before my legs, like my legs are
covered in tattoos now, before they were my icebreaker. When
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i'd wear that outfit, I'd go to people and say, hey,
do you want to try a dick on my leg?
And everybody, everybody knows how to draw a really crude penis,
and no one says no to a stranger saying that too.
And we just see how many I collected me and
my budd's accounted the next morning. I think last time
I did it, there's a photo. It's somewhere on my Instagram. Actually,
last time I did it, I think it was like
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ninety six diss and like telephone numbers too.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Also, he seems like a funny guy to hang out
with no sharpies, right, what no sharpies?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
A sharpiet I would have. I have to get like
you have to get like oil, like some kind of
solution like that to get it off. But yeah, that
was that was a that was a good icebreaker for years.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Do you to draw dick on my leg?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah? Who says no to that?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Though?
Speaker 6 (16:03):
In the world and a big guy comes up to
you in short shorts and as you're.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Gonna say yes, no, color me there man, all right,
So and then everyone tries.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
To like, oh, I'm gonna draw the biggest one. I'm
gonna draw the vanuiest one.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Everyone tries to do.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Everyone tries to do their own little interpretation of a taste.
There stands out the most, and it's it's a fun
way to get to know people. And I actually, you know,
by the end of the night did be just me
and my buddies for a while, And then of the
night we have like twenty people with us because we
just kind of start bar hopping. Everyone's like, I want
to hang out these guys.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Hanging out with old dick leg.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well look the book, of course, Kyle Creek is here
that the book is called fucking History the Captain.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The podcast is.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Going, well, I don't have a podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But podcast. We gotta have a podcast, man.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
That's what That's what I'm told.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yes, this is my goal. I want him to do
a podcast under a certain network. So I lured him
in here because I think it would be great.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Maybe this is when you said you want to share
on You're just willing these things.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, well I knew we had we had an agenda here,
So I've made it sound like, how's the podcast you
don't have one?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Feels slightly deceived, but I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
The Fifteen Minute Morning Show
To what would you talk about on your on your podcast?
Fine fifteen show. It is the fifteen minute morning show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We got a house full, We've got Danielle, We've got Scary,
We've got Scottie over in the serial Killers podcast booth straight.
Nate is here, and there's Garrett and Gandhi and Today's
Show and Tell Day. Yes, so we said Gandhi bring
us an object. So she brought a human being.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I r a huge thing that I like very much.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And we met Kyle backstage at a jingle ball I.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Do believe not yep, last year in Miami.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All right, introduce, Introduce your your show, intel object.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Okay, this is Kyle Creek aka the Captain on Instagram.
He has over half a million followers. He is a writer.
He's written history books for adults and then little kids
books children's books. Is that what we call them? Children's books?
He calls himself an instigator. I love following him. He's
full of really interesting nuggets and facts about history and
all kinds of stuff. So I thought I would bring
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him in today. So it's Kyle.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I think though Nate's the most excited because he has
such a crush on him.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Already.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Man, I knew he was going to have.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
I thought he was just you know, blowing smoke in
my ass after and.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's what he wants to do.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
So yeah, he's a huge fan of history.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
He's written a book, which I also want to write
a book.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
But look at the guys mustache and facial hair.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
What's funny? As I actually cut this down last night,
I have I have. As soon as it starts drinking
more of my coffee than I can, I have to
cut it. And last night I was in the hotel
lobby having coffee, I was like, I gotta cut this
thing again.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's too long, it's absorbent. Why do you call yourself
the instigator? Let's get into that.
Speaker 6 (01:47):
Well, I call myself the captain. But it came as
a joke with my friends in my twenties. I was
I was pretty rowdy, and they said going out with
me was like getting on a boat and waiting for
it to sink, because I was. I was. I prided
myself kind of being on the eighty six list at bars,
and I very much acted that way. And it was
a good nickname that stuck, and you could have a
(02:08):
worse nickname.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, so Gandhi's officially the captain of our show. Then
she's the Kyle Creek of our show. Yeah, she's the instigator.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
She's the one. Yeah, like she farts on the elevator
and gets off and leaves U there. Yeah, one of those.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
I think I have a little bit more tact than that.
But we'll find out.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
They set me up for some nonsense. That was a metaphor.
I don't actually do that. So why do they call
you the captain? Who calls you the captain?
Speaker 6 (02:31):
I'll just explain that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Oh I thought it was Okay, I'm fine, someone else
ask a question.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Now, Okay, look, you know what, there's let's talk about history.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We go to school, we're forced to go to history classes,
and sometimes we have history teachers that are just shitty
and they're just boring whatever. But when you can find,
no matter where you are in life, someone like you
that can find the most interesting storytelling through history, it
becomes fascinating and that we're so glad to have you here.
Talk about your love for history and what brought you
(03:04):
here today.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Yes, I was just talking about this outside. I mean
I grew up in Utah, so a lot of the
history I learned was Mormon history, pioneers coming to Utah
kind of thing, and I didn't like it. I didn't
like history at all. But then in my twenties I
started kind of researching it myself, and you know, like
you said, these interesting nuggets, and I was just kind
of upset that I didn't learn that at a younger age,
(03:25):
because I found a lot of it very applicable to
my life. And that's what I do with that book.
Fucking History is I mean, whether you're a king or
a queen or you're some hot shit influencer, you're all
gonna deal with the same feelings of jealousy and envy.
And you know, we have insecurities, and that's what I
like about histories. You can learn about a king that
was so insecure he chopped off someone's head. And you know,
(03:45):
I tried to find a way to, you know, take
that that very rash perspective, but apply it to your
life today. You know, with some antidote you can take
away because the story's memorable, but also it still applies
to you, just maybe not in such a violent fashion.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Wow, Okay, Fucking History.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
I'm glad I'm on the podcast because I was just
saying I've done some TV interviews and I can't even
say the name of the book on TV, and I
was like, how are people supposed to buy this?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
They called history?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So GANDHI talk about how excited you were to have
him in here today. I mean, this is right up
your alley. And of course Nate as well, he's a
history nerd.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
We love it.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think it maybe even a little more up Nate
Sally than it was up mine. I'd like to follow
him on Instagram. I think he has really interesting nuggets
and great things to say that are very short and
sweet and digestible. He came in here, he and Nate
started talking and he actually looked at it and said,
oh wow, when you really are a big dork.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Kyle has figured out the secret. There's a secret to
enjoying history, and that's finding something interesting about it that
you find interesting because of your interests, right, And I've
we've talked about this before where people don't like learning
about history because it's so boring when you're learning about something.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That you don't give a shit about.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
But when you find out that people used to literally
drink out of the skulls of their enemies, you're.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Like, holy shit, Like I want to learn more about this. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
I mean a lot of people you just hear the
same stories over and over. But then you know, one
of my favorite stories from that book is there was
a king in Denmark in the fifteenth century who was
ousted by his people kind of a public rebellion, and
rather than just kind of give up, he went and
moved into one of his castles on an island and
became a pirate. And he was like, I'm going to
get I'm going to get back at you guys. And
because he'd been a king and he had to lead
(05:35):
groups of people, and he created a super powerful little
piracy ring for himself and for the next decade he
held the ports of Denmark ransom. It's kind of like
a fuck you back to the people.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Good for him, It's true.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
I like that kind of stuff because it's like, you know,
if you get some friends that push you out of
your life where you deal with a bad employer, you
can reinvent yourself. You can become a pirate.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
On your own eye.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
I like learning about his from that perspective and telling
it in that perspective because I think there's a lot
of actually motivational stuff you can find from a story
that crazy.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Is there some stuff in history that we all know,
like popular stories that you know that we all know,
but have a different have more to it that you know,
like kind of like some color to it, some different angles.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
Yeah, So like like like there's got to be like
a popular story in history that we all know the
rest of this.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I bet you don't. I bet you don't know this
part of it.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
The top of my head. I can't really think of them,
but I know there's plenty of them, because history, you know,
just gets I mean, it's like that telephone game. As
it's retold and told, it kind of gets watered down.
That's one of the things I wanted to do with
that book is not water it down like I wanted.
When it was very violent, it's violent, and when it's
very bad, it's bad, but you can still look at
it from a way that you can learn.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You know, our friend Patty, our friend Patty has that
that podcast called The Backstory, and she does the same thing.
She tells the story about the couple that went with
President Lincoln to the theater that night wasn't about President Lincoln.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It was the couple that was with and what they
went through.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
That cool.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know stuff like that. You're like, wait, wait, we
never there's a couple there was, like there were double dating.
You know, Mary Todd was there. We didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
But he hearing the rest of the story, it really
makes the original story a little more interesting.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, like that story in particular Mary Todd Lincoln.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Here you go.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
She was messed up. She was such a bitch, there was, ulyssesys.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Grant and his wife were actually invited to a company
Lincoln and Mary Todd to the theater, but Grant's wife said,
I Am not going to be in the same room
as that woman ever again. So Ulysses says Grant had
to turn down an invitation from President Lincoln because Mary
Todd Lincoln was such a bit.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
What I was talking about, like, it doesn't matter who
you are, we have the same feelings of envy and
jealousy and rage and insecurity, like it still happens with everyone.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
I want to I want to hear more about the
president that died in the bathtub. There's got to be
some more around.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
About the story. He couldn't he couldn't fit the bathtub story.
He got stuck in got stuck in the bathtubs. Daft,
it's gotta be some fun.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He didn't die that way.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, he didn't die in a bathtub.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Well, Kyle, when you go to parties and events, you
have like that ultimate party trick, So like when things
get awkward or quiet, like do you pull out the
So did you know.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
My party trick used to be snorting shots tequila? Was yeah,
my party. My party trick used to be like, that's
not the party trick, that's not in my books. Where
else it takes? I was like, oh, what up you?
That was started hang out with you. I was at
(08:43):
a bachelor party. It was in parts of the Utah.
I was at a bachelor party and I don't know why,
but I got the idea of trying to snort the
line of hobb Andrew uh soul. Oh god. And that
was the one time I did something. I remember thinking like, God,
I fucked up. That was dumb. But that's I mean,
that's how it was in my early twenties, and you know,
and it comes from a place of insecurity. It's like
when you're twenty three, twenty four and you're trying to
(09:04):
find out who you are in life. It's easy to
do that kind of shit and get attention. And that's
what I did, you know, And it was fun at
the time. But I think you're fun now.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Man.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I'm boring now. I live on a farm and my
girl was just telling it. My girlfriend texted me last night,
all exciting because we got our first ache from our chickens.
All right, I hear the farm life.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Now.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
I got two big great danes, a bunch of birds
and the sun and we're just trying to set up
a little, you know, kind of petting zoo for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I love that. What a life.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
So out of all of the history that you've talked
about in your book, fucking history, is there one subject
you personally tend to gravitate toward more too, more than others?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Revenge? For sure? Yes, Okay, I think we can all
relate to feelings of revenge. Just like that story I
just shared about that King of Denmark. I just think,
you know, the revenge of becoming a pirate and holding
your country ransom for a decade is just I find
it very inspirational, actually iconic. It is.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Elvis does not believe in revenge. He says, the best
revenge is no revenge at all. It's true to just
be a bigger person.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
What is true, It is true best revenge. The best
revenge is no revenge. It's just not as interesting in
a story.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
To tell you that's a much better story. So I go.
I grub towards that.
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Personally, I agree with the no revenge thing. But if
you're gonna ask me for advice, I'm gonna tell you
to become a pirate because I want to watch, and
I also want to have a story to tell, and
I want to be entertained.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I'm sure you could come up with a billion and
one more incredible facts to put in a billion and
one more books. But after this went to press, was
there one story in particular? Like, damn it fuck, I
really wish I would have included that story. Is there
any that that you're really loving that didn't make the cut?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
I mean, one of the things I didn't put in
there afterwards I probably should have is I believe it
was in Germany when you used to have a dispute
between a husband and wife, they would let you fight
it out out, but they would put the husband in
a pit up to his armpits. They dig a hole
and put him in there, and they would give him,
i think a single club, and then they would give
the woman like two clubs and she could basically run
circles around the guy and try to beat hiss. That
(11:14):
was a legitimate way of solving conflict, like an a
llegal court setting, and I should have put that in
the book. But ever since the book's been out, I've
actually had to go through an amend a few things too,
because you know, new stuff comes to light or things change.
That's actually the third edition of that book right there too.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Wow. You know what that reminds me of.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
One of my favorite things that has fallen to the wayside,
is uh, the good old fashioned duel.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
The two guys don't start on a duel. Man Like
I said, I'm gonna wear my stets and had it
in here today. I love the idea of dueling. I
think a lot of people would be better with their tongue.
And I like the idea that if someone lied to
you in a card game, you could just shoot him
dead at lunchtime. I think I think it builds a
lot of character, and I think it's a lot of
(11:59):
care that's missing, and I was talking. You know, I've
talked to a lot of people about this over the years,
and I'm probably not supporting this, but I do think
we need to bring back like public execution and stuff
like that, because.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Okay, I think I think when you lie at the
card game.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
It just makes society operate a little different.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
What did you say outside society would operate differently if
we were able to drink from the skulls of our enemies.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Yeah, I was one of those favorite we're talking About's
a quote I wish I would have written. I read
it one time, and that said, the problem with societies
we no longer drink from the skulls of our enemies.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
Yeah, there's actually a lot of psyche behind that, because
I mean, it really makes you think twice about doing
dumb shit.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Shine his shoes just for a second here, Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
You've been doing that?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Literally it was the last fifteen minutes. You know what
this book represents. This represents perseverance. Because I'm doing a
little Google on Kyle right now. He wanted to you
wanted to play football.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Didn't you find all this?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I did Google?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I didn't know that he tried to get into like copyright.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, you've got too many tattoos. People aren't going to
take you seriously.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
He went to Hollywood to become a screenwriter, didn't work out.
You went through alcoholism and depression.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Am I reading this correctly?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:11):
I was like the time of the Captain early twenties.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Once once football stopped for me, I became very added
like pain killers, and I went through a little stint
of having to kick that. Yeah, but yeah, I mean
what I like. You know, I first of all thank
you for bringing that up as far as like the
Perseverance sing oh, because I self published that book the
first time, and then I self published a follow up,
and then it was three four years after that a
publisher bought the rights to it. So like I've self
(13:34):
published most of my books because publishers wouldn't wouldn't want
to buy off on that idea. But now once they
see it sell and people like it, they're like, oh,
now we want to jump on board. My life as
a writer has just felt like a constant battle. Like
when I decided I wanted to write for a living,
I was in college, and I just I always grew
(13:55):
up reading and writing, and I really enjoyed it, but
I just could not get hired in Utah with my
fingers tattoo like. I had people tell me to my face,
your portfolio is great, you're an excellent rider, but we
can't hire you because you're not gonna present well to
clients in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Oh God.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
And it was until I finally met a Crave director
at a bar of all places, and that he was
a Crave director in an advertising agency, and I said, Hey,
I've been trying to get an advertising you know, if
if you don't hire me, I'm just gonna say fuck
it and give up. And he liked that, and so
we took a shot of whiskey together and he hired me.
And that started my advertising career and actually ended up
moving to New York. I was a Crave director here
on Madison Avenue for a couple of years, doing very well,
(14:31):
working on a lot of hospitality projects here. And coming
from how hard it was for me to get into
the space and prove myself as a rider, that was
that was a big deal for me, unbelievable. So become
a pirate, but I still became You're a pirate, No,
(14:53):
I used to I always used to do like a
sassy little captain, like the shortest shorts I could fit into.
What I did for many years it was how short?
How short can my short? I had a great icebreaker
at the time, too, Loo, because we'd go out to
bars and I would always bring a sharpie with me.
And it was before my legs, like my legs are
covered in tattoos now, before they were my icebreaker. When
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i'd wear that outfit, I'd go to people and say, hey,
do you want to try a dick on my leg?
And everybody, everybody knows how to draw a really crude penis,
and no one says no to a stranger saying that too.
And we just see how many I collected me and
my budd's accounted the next morning. I think last time
I did it, there's a photo. It's somewhere on my Instagram. Actually,
last time I did it, I think it was like
(15:37):
ninety six diss and like telephone numbers too.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Also, he seems like a funny guy to hang out
with no sharpies, right, what no sharpies?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
A sharpiet I would have. I have to get like
you have to get like oil, like some kind of
solution like that to get it off. But yeah, that
was that was a that was a good icebreaker for years.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Do you to draw dick on my leg?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah? Who says no to that?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Though?
Speaker 6 (16:03):
In the world and a big guy comes up to
you in short shorts and as you're.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Gonna say yes, no, color me there man, all right,
So and then everyone tries.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
To like, oh, I'm gonna draw the biggest one. I'm
gonna draw the vanuiest one.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Everyone tries to do.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Everyone tries to do their own little interpretation of a taste.
There stands out the most, and it's it's a fun
way to get to know people. And I actually, you know,
by the end of the night did be just me
and my buddies for a while, And then of the
night we have like twenty people with us because we
just kind of start bar hopping. Everyone's like, I want
to hang out these guys.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Hanging out with old dick leg.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well look the book, of course, Kyle Creek is here
that the book is called fucking History the Captain.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
The podcast is.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Going, well, I don't have a podcast.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But podcast. We gotta have a podcast, man.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
That's what That's what I'm told.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yes, this is my goal. I want him to do
a podcast under a certain network. So I lured him
in here because I think it would be great.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Maybe this is when you said you want to share
on You're just willing these things.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, well I knew we had we had an agenda here,
So I've made it sound like, how's the podcast you
don't have one?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Feels slightly deceived, but I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
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