February 16, 2018 • 15 mins
We chat with Bethany on her last day and pull the curtain back a little on our show!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What would you talk about on your on your podcast
Firms Represents show. Well, we just said goodbye to Bethany
on our very last show with her here on Friday,
February six. Now we can't find her. No, no, she
just ran down the hall. I bet she comes into
(00:23):
a second so we can talk about her. Uh so
around the fifteen minute minute morning show podcast table is
the one only day Brody. Hello, there's great Tea who
did such a great job today. You appreciate that. There's Garrett,
and there's Danielle, there's Straight and eight and here it
comes Beth today. She's back. I was gonna quack start
the show. We can talk about her while she's not
(00:44):
in the air. She changed her, she returned. She's back.
So wait, wait, you're doing a podcast. You don't work
here anymore. So you're a special guest. You're a special guest.
So what are you working on? What's happened since you
left the show? Traveled you traveled? The bathroom is back?
How is the wedding? The chef lati? It was amazing
or divorced now? So kind of a behind the scenes. Look.
(01:07):
We had a very intense show today. I mean it
was Bethany and all of the wonderful things she's brought
to the show. It was also dealing with everything going
on in South Florida and schools and gun violence. It
was about so many things today. Yeah, there's a lot,
there's a lot going on. It's sort of a daze.
Like looking back at the show, it's sort of hard
to remember it. I will tell you though, when anyone
(01:28):
ever asks me what are your favorite shows? I say,
shows like Today. And even though some of these shows
are very sad shows, what they are is they are
shows with very very clear definition. And it's there's a
satisfaction after doing a show like Today because it was
very emotional, but we did it. What do you think
about it? I thought it was I thought it was great.
(01:49):
I was really happy we were able to to talk
about the people who are reacting to Florida, who are
down in Florida dealing with it, um who are motivated
now for change, and you know, sort of the idea
across the country that like this is enough, we need
to stop having conversations and start doing something about it.
And I loved that aspect of it. Of course, you
(02:11):
don't want a tragedy like this to ever happen, but
if it has to, you want change to come out
of it. And I feel like we've been taking those steps,
not just as a show but as a country. Right
there you go. I think it was good. I think
it was important. So how how far can we go
with this conversation with you? Now? Now that you're officially
off the show? We can go as far as you want.
I'm a I'm a pretty damn open book, you are.
(02:33):
But you know, there's something that we we do on
the show, and uh, it's in order to be a
show for as many people as possible. We try to
walk down the center line as far as politics goes,
as far as belief systems go in this and that,
and so we may have strong beliefs either this way
or that way, we sometimes uh filter them in order
to you know, just keep everyone happy, you know. And
(02:55):
and and someone said, well, that's a we'll see way
of doing it. Well, No, we decided to take that
route because it's an alternative to what else is out
there in content you can listen to every day. We
wanted this to be a place for people to go
to listen that wanted to get away from all the
election stuff and all the left verses right, and and
I think we did a really good job, as difficult
as it was. But you know what if anyone bit
(03:16):
their tongue in this room during all of this. Bethany
a matter of fact, she has no tongue left. She
had she gave herself a tongue ectomatic. That's why she's
she's done. She's like, we have no room in radio
for a woman with no tongue coming the clarinet. Well, so,
now that you're free and you're off, I mean, how
was it for you ever since the election into today
(03:40):
to sit on, sit hard on your beliefs and not
just scream from the highest mountain about what's going on? Uh,
you know, there were some days where it was really tough. Um.
You guys know that I'm really passionate about equality, and
and there are some times where it's felt like equality
for people is not a priority, or that the word
(04:02):
equality is very triggering for some people and they feel
like equality means that others lose. And so when there
were stories about you know, women's rights for example, or
people of color trying to have equal rights, equal pay,
that kind of thing, we would get a lot of
response of people saying like this isn't something we want
to talk about, or you know, women need to shut
(04:24):
up and be quiet, or women have equal rights, that
why are they whining? Those are times when it's like
it was hard to bite my tongue. But I also
didn't want to alienate people. But you also don't want
to find yourselfself on the wrong side of history. So
you have to weigh this platform and and trying to
figure out what's more important, you know, keeping keeping listenership
(04:45):
and keeping people trusting you and happy, or potentially alienating
people with a belief that you have that's very strong.
It's it's it's been an interesting road. I must assume
that people listen. Smarter people know where we fit on
the political scale, where we land. But I think with
this and in knowing that even people that don't agree
(05:06):
with our political beliefs, if they know where they are,
they still listen. And I think that's what this show
has been trying to prove, where you can have a
belief it's different than someone else's, but yet you can
still you can still get along and live live together
in peace. That's the hope. It is the hope. And
you know, it's been very difficult to do. It's been funny,
like to pull the curtain back a little bit. In
(05:27):
writing the news, I will on purpose not use certain
words in reporting a story because people will react really
strongly to those words. Um. I if if I can
use the word the White House instead of saying President Trump,
I will do it because people feel strongly one way
or the other about him. And I don't want people
(05:49):
to hear that word and immediately jump to conclusions about
what the story is about, or to get angry or
to get you know, I would try to steer away
from where it's like that, and and and reason being,
I'm telling you, if I said something about President Trump
on the air, text messages, immediately say he's not my president, right, Well,
the thing is he's the president. I'm not saying you
(06:11):
like him. But you know, we're just doing a story.
You don't or or you know, because everyone's busy, we're
all busy in the morning, and so you hear you're
sort of half listening to the radio a lot of times,
and so if you hear us say president Trump and
that's all you hear, some people will jump to conclusions
that we're supporting him, some people will jump to conclusions
that were attacking him, and so it's just it's sometimes
(06:31):
easier to just not use the name. We did a
great job. Thank you, Thank you. I I have done
my best, and and you've been incredibly helpful at helping
me figure out what that line was and in giving guideance.
You've you've been huge in that People don't know. People
just don't know what I was thinking about. Times when
(06:52):
there's something very polarizing and you stay down the middle.
But by not going against the grain or going against
say it's an apple and orange and you're saying, you
don't say I hate orange, people go, oh, he's an
orange supporter. You know, it's by it's by your lack
of putting something down. They assume that you're for it,
and that's not the case. You're just trying to apples.
(07:14):
Why apples about apple farmers? Yeah, they'll say, they'll say,
I know it's so clear Elvis likes tomatoes, and in
real life we know Elvis don't really like tomatoes. But
people will jump to conclusions and then get angry for
it and didn't do anything that it's all within them.
It has nothing to do with me, as you will know.
(07:35):
So let's go around the room. I mean, you know,
who wants to say something. This is an interesting podcast
because we're actually being us rather than being the people
you hear from. Look the people you hear from six
to ten, they are us, but at a whole different
elevated an elevation. I mean, we were injected with some
sort of something, some serum from six to ten am
East Coast time. But we're different now. We're a little
(07:57):
more laid back. And I kind of like this. You
know what you were saying earlier, Elvis, while you love
the show so much, And I was thinking about that too,
because when we come in during a normal show, when
there isn't tragedy or someone isn't leaving, you know, we're
talking about fun topics, the stories that might have happened
to you last week or five years ago, or something interesting.
I think this was a show where people were just
(08:19):
being in the moment and being real and speaking their
feelings as opposed to jogging their memory about something that
happened at wedding last week. Um, and that's a show
we rarely have only because we're trying to be positive
and fun. It was a very live show. Absolutely. It
was definitely a show for February. Yeah. Absolutely. The funny
thing I found in in stuff that happens where it's controversial,
(08:43):
like Brodie was saying, or you or Bethany, is that
I always in my career I've tried to get the
facts right just for the sake of getting the facts
right and hoping that people will make their own sensible
conclusion from those correct facts. However, people seem to always
find their side of things in those facts. And that's
(09:05):
the funny thing that I've found in doing this show
is we are We strive even if it goes against
what we believe to get those facts out there. Yet
people will still find a way to make it divisive.
I just I don't think you'll ever change that about people.
But I take pride, and I know everybody here does
in doing the best job we can. It's like reading
(09:27):
the first two sentences of an article and then right
away you know what the article is about, but you
didn't really read the body of the article. The article
you know there's a lot more to it. What's up
round head? So I'll tell you this much. So I've
been holding it back because you know, Greg t you know,
it's just very jovial and fun and invallible and all that.
But I'll tell you this much. For the past two days,
I've been driving Trish nuts at home because here's what
(09:50):
goes on in my house at home, and she literally
wants to take a remote and just say and just
shut me off. I am so angry over one. And
what has happened in are them? When I'm angry because
I when it comes to politics, right, I am so
mad because I am under the the the under the
(10:11):
impression that nothing ever gets done. And everybody you know says,
you know, hopes and prayers and if we vote for
this person and we do this, we're gonna make a change.
But I tell you this much, God damn it, there's
been no change. I'm so mad and I can't stand it.
And I was talking to somebody yesterday and they said,
(10:32):
and I said, and I said, you know what, that's right?
When all the assemblymen and all the councilmen and all
the senators and blah blah blahs in this world, I
don't understand why we can't make some freaking real laws.
That's some real damn change. I've got two daughters that
go to school, and there's many of us that are listening.
They've got kids themselves, and I am so tired, so
(10:54):
tired of having to make sure that I go to
their rooms and hug them tight and get of them
kisses because it may be the last time that I
see them, and I don't want to live like that anymore.
Were you noticing that this is a ground there's just
a ground swell going on, right. I mean a lot
of a lot of people this time are adding this
situation to all the other ones, and it really is
(11:16):
making a lot of people mad. You're not alone in this.
So that's Greg Tindorf at home on the side of
the show. By the way, those senators and congressman that
you're talking about, they have kids as well, a lot
of them, so I don't to me. That baffles me
even more. They get money from lobbyists to vote a
certain way, then your own flesh and blood it is.
(11:38):
You know, we can't even talk about to answer Gregg's question.
We can't really answer that question. Some of us know
the answer to that question, but if we say it
will be attacked. Look, we said after Sandy Hook five
years ago, this is it. This line in the sand,
they shot little kids. Well, you know what happened. The
people that don't want the laws changed came out and
said Sandy Hook was a hoax that never happened. They
found a way to stop it. There's no way, will
(12:00):
never fix this problem until you actually research and see
what the real problem is and try to fix that. Well,
what leads back to what we're originally talking about here
on Bethany's last day, Uh, the the line that she
and all of us have have to we have to
walk because we do. I don't want anyone And this
is all great example by the way that you're hearing this,
This is really behind the curtain stuff. This is the
(12:21):
stuff we talk about Durnk commercially. You're you're hearing who
we are now that we have to filter and squelch
while we're doing the other show. And I and I
think you know you can read between the lines and
know that this is who we are. But this is
this is what? What's that? Why do we have to
squelch it during the show. Why does it have to
(12:41):
be two separate because a decision was made And it's
not because we want to hide from the facts. It's
not like we're in the closet and we're frightened for
someone to have an opinion. What it is is we
know that this show has always been and needs to
be a show where everyone can go, no matter what
their opinion might be, in order to have some fun
and begin their day. It's I hate to say, it's
(13:03):
almost the same as senators and congressmen who you know,
take lobbyist money and vote in a way they may
not believe. It's also good for business here, you know what,
we have a show I've got mouths defeed and looking
at all the families that depend on the show and
the revenue it makes. I'm not saying we're selling out.
We are not selling out, but we are providing a
place for many reasons that is not a controversial to
(13:24):
the left or to the right show. That's not what
we do. We don't come in here like a like
a Rush Limball, we don't come in here like a
Rachel Maddow. We're right in between because that's what that
is what is needed in the marketplace. But is that
a sellout? That's my question. People. People don't watch Modern
Family to cry. They watch This is Us to cry.
They go to Modern family, to laugh. Shows, entertainment movies,
(13:46):
there's a reason you go to them. You don't go
see Black Panther to be scared. You're gonna go to
see Black Panther to be excited and motivated and and
so our show is to make you laugh and think
and you know, but it's not. But what the things
you said. This isn't a politics show. There's a place
for that with a different This is a personal show.
So as we are giving everyone our personal lives, we're
not really giving everyone all of our personal lives. And
(14:07):
so that's that's where the where the problem begins. So
there you go. This is what you're walking away from.
It's uh yeah, it's it's weird. It's I'm really I
look back on, you know, the five and a half
years that I've been on the show, and I feel
like I'm really proud of the work we've done because
(14:29):
I feel like we have done work because people. I
think people see us as the friends who they can
talk to, and just by being ourselves and maybe getting
our little views in there every once in a while,
we are able to talk to people in a way
that doesn't make them defensive. And I think that that's good.
I'm proud of that. Do we make people happy? I
(14:52):
think so? Absolutely. Are we as successful in doing it?
Yifteen minute morning show off
What would you talk about on your on your podcast
Firms Represents show. Well, we just said goodbye to Bethany
on our very last show with her here on Friday,
February six. Now we can't find her. No, no, she
just ran down the hall. I bet she comes into
(00:23):
a second so we can talk about her. Uh so
around the fifteen minute minute morning show podcast table is
the one only day Brody. Hello, there's great Tea who
did such a great job today. You appreciate that. There's Garrett,
and there's Danielle, there's Straight and eight and here it
comes Beth today. She's back. I was gonna quack start
the show. We can talk about her while she's not
(00:44):
in the air. She changed her, she returned. She's back.
So wait, wait, you're doing a podcast. You don't work
here anymore. So you're a special guest. You're a special guest.
So what are you working on? What's happened since you
left the show? Traveled you traveled? The bathroom is back?
How is the wedding? The chef lati? It was amazing
or divorced now? So kind of a behind the scenes. Look.
(01:07):
We had a very intense show today. I mean it
was Bethany and all of the wonderful things she's brought
to the show. It was also dealing with everything going
on in South Florida and schools and gun violence. It
was about so many things today. Yeah, there's a lot,
there's a lot going on. It's sort of a daze.
Like looking back at the show, it's sort of hard
to remember it. I will tell you though, when anyone
(01:28):
ever asks me what are your favorite shows? I say,
shows like Today. And even though some of these shows
are very sad shows, what they are is they are
shows with very very clear definition. And it's there's a
satisfaction after doing a show like Today because it was
very emotional, but we did it. What do you think
about it? I thought it was I thought it was great.
(01:49):
I was really happy we were able to to talk
about the people who are reacting to Florida, who are
down in Florida dealing with it, um who are motivated
now for change, and you know, sort of the idea
across the country that like this is enough, we need
to stop having conversations and start doing something about it.
And I loved that aspect of it. Of course, you
(02:11):
don't want a tragedy like this to ever happen, but
if it has to, you want change to come out
of it. And I feel like we've been taking those steps,
not just as a show but as a country. Right
there you go. I think it was good. I think
it was important. So how how far can we go
with this conversation with you? Now? Now that you're officially
off the show? We can go as far as you want.
I'm a I'm a pretty damn open book, you are.
(02:33):
But you know, there's something that we we do on
the show, and uh, it's in order to be a
show for as many people as possible. We try to
walk down the center line as far as politics goes,
as far as belief systems go in this and that,
and so we may have strong beliefs either this way
or that way, we sometimes uh filter them in order
to you know, just keep everyone happy, you know. And
(02:55):
and and someone said, well, that's a we'll see way
of doing it. Well, No, we decided to take that
route because it's an alternative to what else is out
there in content you can listen to every day. We
wanted this to be a place for people to go
to listen that wanted to get away from all the
election stuff and all the left verses right, and and
I think we did a really good job, as difficult
as it was. But you know what if anyone bit
(03:16):
their tongue in this room during all of this. Bethany
a matter of fact, she has no tongue left. She
had she gave herself a tongue ectomatic. That's why she's
she's done. She's like, we have no room in radio
for a woman with no tongue coming the clarinet. Well, so,
now that you're free and you're off, I mean, how
was it for you ever since the election into today
(03:40):
to sit on, sit hard on your beliefs and not
just scream from the highest mountain about what's going on? Uh,
you know, there were some days where it was really tough. Um.
You guys know that I'm really passionate about equality, and
and there are some times where it's felt like equality
for people is not a priority, or that the word
(04:02):
equality is very triggering for some people and they feel
like equality means that others lose. And so when there
were stories about you know, women's rights for example, or
people of color trying to have equal rights, equal pay,
that kind of thing, we would get a lot of
response of people saying like this isn't something we want
to talk about, or you know, women need to shut
(04:24):
up and be quiet, or women have equal rights, that
why are they whining? Those are times when it's like
it was hard to bite my tongue. But I also
didn't want to alienate people. But you also don't want
to find yourselfself on the wrong side of history. So
you have to weigh this platform and and trying to
figure out what's more important, you know, keeping keeping listenership
(04:45):
and keeping people trusting you and happy, or potentially alienating
people with a belief that you have that's very strong.
It's it's it's been an interesting road. I must assume
that people listen. Smarter people know where we fit on
the political scale, where we land. But I think with
this and in knowing that even people that don't agree
(05:06):
with our political beliefs, if they know where they are,
they still listen. And I think that's what this show
has been trying to prove, where you can have a
belief it's different than someone else's, but yet you can
still you can still get along and live live together
in peace. That's the hope. It is the hope. And
you know, it's been very difficult to do. It's been funny,
like to pull the curtain back a little bit. In
(05:27):
writing the news, I will on purpose not use certain
words in reporting a story because people will react really
strongly to those words. Um. I if if I can
use the word the White House instead of saying President Trump,
I will do it because people feel strongly one way
or the other about him. And I don't want people
(05:49):
to hear that word and immediately jump to conclusions about
what the story is about, or to get angry or
to get you know, I would try to steer away
from where it's like that, and and and reason being,
I'm telling you, if I said something about President Trump
on the air, text messages, immediately say he's not my president, right, Well,
the thing is he's the president. I'm not saying you
(06:11):
like him. But you know, we're just doing a story.
You don't or or you know, because everyone's busy, we're
all busy in the morning, and so you hear you're
sort of half listening to the radio a lot of times,
and so if you hear us say president Trump and
that's all you hear, some people will jump to conclusions
that we're supporting him, some people will jump to conclusions
that were attacking him, and so it's just it's sometimes
(06:31):
easier to just not use the name. We did a
great job. Thank you, Thank you. I I have done
my best, and and you've been incredibly helpful at helping
me figure out what that line was and in giving guideance.
You've you've been huge in that People don't know. People
just don't know what I was thinking about. Times when
(06:52):
there's something very polarizing and you stay down the middle.
But by not going against the grain or going against
say it's an apple and orange and you're saying, you
don't say I hate orange, people go, oh, he's an
orange supporter. You know, it's by it's by your lack
of putting something down. They assume that you're for it,
and that's not the case. You're just trying to apples.
(07:14):
Why apples about apple farmers? Yeah, they'll say, they'll say,
I know it's so clear Elvis likes tomatoes, and in
real life we know Elvis don't really like tomatoes. But
people will jump to conclusions and then get angry for
it and didn't do anything that it's all within them.
It has nothing to do with me, as you will know.
(07:35):
So let's go around the room. I mean, you know,
who wants to say something. This is an interesting podcast
because we're actually being us rather than being the people
you hear from. Look the people you hear from six
to ten, they are us, but at a whole different
elevated an elevation. I mean, we were injected with some
sort of something, some serum from six to ten am
East Coast time. But we're different now. We're a little
(07:57):
more laid back. And I kind of like this. You
know what you were saying earlier, Elvis, while you love
the show so much, And I was thinking about that too,
because when we come in during a normal show, when
there isn't tragedy or someone isn't leaving, you know, we're
talking about fun topics, the stories that might have happened
to you last week or five years ago, or something interesting.
I think this was a show where people were just
(08:19):
being in the moment and being real and speaking their
feelings as opposed to jogging their memory about something that
happened at wedding last week. Um, and that's a show
we rarely have only because we're trying to be positive
and fun. It was a very live show. Absolutely. It
was definitely a show for February. Yeah. Absolutely. The funny
thing I found in in stuff that happens where it's controversial,
(08:43):
like Brodie was saying, or you or Bethany, is that
I always in my career I've tried to get the
facts right just for the sake of getting the facts
right and hoping that people will make their own sensible
conclusion from those correct facts. However, people seem to always
find their side of things in those facts. And that's
(09:05):
the funny thing that I've found in doing this show
is we are We strive even if it goes against
what we believe to get those facts out there. Yet
people will still find a way to make it divisive.
I just I don't think you'll ever change that about people.
But I take pride, and I know everybody here does
in doing the best job we can. It's like reading
(09:27):
the first two sentences of an article and then right
away you know what the article is about, but you
didn't really read the body of the article. The article
you know there's a lot more to it. What's up
round head? So I'll tell you this much. So I've
been holding it back because you know, Greg t you know,
it's just very jovial and fun and invallible and all that.
But I'll tell you this much. For the past two days,
I've been driving Trish nuts at home because here's what
(09:50):
goes on in my house at home, and she literally
wants to take a remote and just say and just
shut me off. I am so angry over one. And
what has happened in are them? When I'm angry because
I when it comes to politics, right, I am so
mad because I am under the the the under the
(10:11):
impression that nothing ever gets done. And everybody you know says,
you know, hopes and prayers and if we vote for
this person and we do this, we're gonna make a change.
But I tell you this much, God damn it, there's
been no change. I'm so mad and I can't stand it.
And I was talking to somebody yesterday and they said,
(10:32):
and I said, and I said, you know what, that's right?
When all the assemblymen and all the councilmen and all
the senators and blah blah blahs in this world, I
don't understand why we can't make some freaking real laws.
That's some real damn change. I've got two daughters that
go to school, and there's many of us that are listening.
They've got kids themselves, and I am so tired, so
(10:54):
tired of having to make sure that I go to
their rooms and hug them tight and get of them
kisses because it may be the last time that I
see them, and I don't want to live like that anymore.
Were you noticing that this is a ground there's just
a ground swell going on, right. I mean a lot
of a lot of people this time are adding this
situation to all the other ones, and it really is
(11:16):
making a lot of people mad. You're not alone in this.
So that's Greg Tindorf at home on the side of
the show. By the way, those senators and congressman that
you're talking about, they have kids as well, a lot
of them, so I don't to me. That baffles me
even more. They get money from lobbyists to vote a
certain way, then your own flesh and blood it is.
(11:38):
You know, we can't even talk about to answer Gregg's question.
We can't really answer that question. Some of us know
the answer to that question, but if we say it
will be attacked. Look, we said after Sandy Hook five
years ago, this is it. This line in the sand,
they shot little kids. Well, you know what happened. The
people that don't want the laws changed came out and
said Sandy Hook was a hoax that never happened. They
found a way to stop it. There's no way, will
(12:00):
never fix this problem until you actually research and see
what the real problem is and try to fix that. Well,
what leads back to what we're originally talking about here
on Bethany's last day, Uh, the the line that she
and all of us have have to we have to
walk because we do. I don't want anyone And this
is all great example by the way that you're hearing this,
This is really behind the curtain stuff. This is the
(12:21):
stuff we talk about Durnk commercially. You're you're hearing who
we are now that we have to filter and squelch
while we're doing the other show. And I and I
think you know you can read between the lines and
know that this is who we are. But this is
this is what? What's that? Why do we have to
squelch it during the show. Why does it have to
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be two separate because a decision was made And it's
not because we want to hide from the facts. It's
not like we're in the closet and we're frightened for
someone to have an opinion. What it is is we
know that this show has always been and needs to
be a show where everyone can go, no matter what
their opinion might be, in order to have some fun
and begin their day. It's I hate to say, it's
(13:03):
almost the same as senators and congressmen who you know,
take lobbyist money and vote in a way they may
not believe. It's also good for business here, you know what,
we have a show I've got mouths defeed and looking
at all the families that depend on the show and
the revenue it makes. I'm not saying we're selling out.
We are not selling out, but we are providing a
place for many reasons that is not a controversial to
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the left or to the right show. That's not what
we do. We don't come in here like a like
a Rush Limball, we don't come in here like a
Rachel Maddow. We're right in between because that's what that
is what is needed in the marketplace. But is that
a sellout? That's my question. People. People don't watch Modern
Family to cry. They watch This is Us to cry.
They go to Modern family, to laugh. Shows, entertainment movies,
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there's a reason you go to them. You don't go
see Black Panther to be scared. You're gonna go to
see Black Panther to be excited and motivated and and
so our show is to make you laugh and think
and you know, but it's not. But what the things
you said. This isn't a politics show. There's a place
for that with a different This is a personal show.
So as we are giving everyone our personal lives, we're
not really giving everyone all of our personal lives. And
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so that's that's where the where the problem begins. So
there you go. This is what you're walking away from.
It's uh yeah, it's it's weird. It's I'm really I
look back on, you know, the five and a half
years that I've been on the show, and I feel
like I'm really proud of the work we've done because
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I feel like we have done work because people. I
think people see us as the friends who they can
talk to, and just by being ourselves and maybe getting
our little views in there every once in a while,
we are able to talk to people in a way
that doesn't make them defensive. And I think that that's good.
I'm proud of that. Do we make people happy? I
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think so? Absolutely. Are we as successful in doing it?
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