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It was about five years ago. Cole Writing came into
our show. He had a song about his dad. Remember this.
It was a saddie Yeah, it was a sad song,
a song saddy about daddy. Yeah, And we got to
get Cole reading in here to talk about this. It
was great. And then we're looking at your TikTok and
there's another song we're listening to about a breakup. Oh yeah,
it won't be me another stand for one.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah. Well I write like a deep from a deep place.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
So now Cole has Gay Americana.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah. I love this record so much I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, we're gonna play it in a second, so everyone
calm down. Let's talk about the journey now, Okay, what's
great about your story?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Call?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And people are just getting to know you. They need
to hear about your journey because that makes the song
even more important. On this path, this pathway from you.
Then as a guy growing up, I guess closeted at
some point in your life, right, and then now you've
kot boom out, you kicked the door down boom. The
old gay Cole is here. Yeah, but now you have
(00:57):
a totally different look, a different vibe. And you're a
lot different as far as your self awareness. Yeah, I
tell you were here.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Talk about the journey between the first time you came
on our show, yeah versus now, how did you find
your lane? I think this is important for anyone and everyone,
even if they're not an artist, they could be an industry.
How do you find your lane? You found it on
your job.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I feel like also, love like life is so chaotic
now and move so quickly. It's like we're all sort
of shedding skin so consistently. And I just gotten sober.
That was an integral part. I think my sobriety and
my insecurity about my sexuality kind of went hand in hand.
So I was like, I have to get sober in
order to come out, and I.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Don't know, I think coming out when you're drunk it's
so much easier.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, it would have been easier, but it was. It
was a deeply healing time, and I think I tried
to do everything I could to sort of like balance
out that sloppy kid who disappointed a lot of people.
And I just built this thing in twenty nineteen that
was very sort of buttoned up and very serious, and
I came on here got sick. I got diagnosed with
(02:02):
like type of diabetes out on the hospital. But for
a month he was.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
In a coma.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, but then but but looked at the ceiling and
I was like, you know what, you get opportunities every
day to do something new with your life. And I
moved to LA a couple of years ago. I'm working
with one consistent producer, Steven Santa Teresa, and we were like,
the world is really noisy, what is the point? Like,
I don't want to just make noise. I have a
lot of life experiences and we found this phrase gay Americana,
(02:29):
which to me explains so much of my life what
I and meaning that I think that I look at
my life and a lot of times when you see
like great LGBTQ representation and like classic American pop culture,
those things aren't always together. It's like there's like sick
dance artists that are gay and things that are like
a little edgier, And I'm like very like heartland palatable Americana.
(02:54):
So this is your calling, Yeah, I think it is.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
This is your lane.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, And I think mostly like artistically it gives me,
like I you know, even this game American is like this,
This is this sweet coming out story with like this
thrashing Bruce Springsteen style record, And there's a duality to that,
and I think it allows me to talk about my
own personal journey and if in any way that helps
like the next goal feel a little scene, that would
(03:19):
be like the highest for me.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
So here it is you're floating around out o space,
not really tethered to the planet, like wondering where am
I going? What am I doing? What's the point in
all of this as an artist or as a parent,
or as a banker, or as anyone, like what's the voint?
What am I doing? You gotta find you gotta find
who you are? Yeah, and then it all sorts starts
(03:42):
to make sense. You know, as a mom, I you
understand what.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I think. This story is so good because of the
fact that so many people are going through something like
this where they just cannot find themselves and they feel
lost or they feel like they were supposed to do
this and it didn't work out, and now what do
I do? And your story is amazing that you picked
it up and you were like, you know what, believe that?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, No, I think I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And this is what I'm saying, I.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Really do think, like most importantly in the world, it's
like you are in control of so little you are
in control of, Like if you get really quiet and go,
who am I? Like? What do I have that nobody
else has on the planet. If you run with that,
just minute by minute your golden and then you are
happier for it. You make other people happier for it,
and it's like a trickle effect.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I feel like one of the biggest pieces of you
finding yourself. And please correct me if I'm wrong. I
was looking at your social media and you said that
this song game Aerkana is a song that thirteen year
old you wishes.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, had I wish I had, I think because when
you're a kid, it's like you just can't especially I
can just speak as a gay kid myself, even if
your family isn't going to have a problem with it.
You just it's like this inside job that you have
to work on that you have all of these you've
like let culture tether things to you, and you have
all of this fear to just have someone from Afar
(04:55):
to go like, oh now I look like that, that's cool.
I also do that I want to do that, and
then to hear it from someone to go like I
was that incredibly scared, insecure, like volatile, little gay kid
who was trying to find his way. I think that
is so crucial to just have all types of representation
where people in the world can look at that and
use it as some type of north star. So not
(05:16):
that I'm the north star, but symbolically, so you can look.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Back at yourself hating thirteen year old and say, hey,
it's okay, let yourself off the hook.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
This is a hug.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
This is a hug for him, But could that also
be it for everybody? If you're looking for your purpose,
what would thirteen year old you be proud of me?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I think that's so true because the world hasn't like
gotten it's the hooks into you yet. If I could
talk to any teenager right now who's just like lost
in the sauce, whether it's mental health issues, whether it's gay,
whether it's addiction, like whatever you think is your issue
that people have a problem with, like hold on to that, like,
don't let anybody put that fire out. I let people
(05:51):
put that fire out. I let me put that fire out.
That's your special sauce. That's gonna be like your magnet
in the world. People are gonna be obsessed with you
because of the thing that you thought they hated you for.
You just have if you can just get through that
initial weird period.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I heard a quote the other day and it made
me so sad, but it was also beautiful and I
never thought of it this way, which is a closet
is really just an upright casket. Don't let yourself stay
in there.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Come on out? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
True?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Is it not him pulling out moros? It's an upright casket.
Where's your That's a very interesting way of putting it.
Say it again, Gandhi.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
A closet is basically an upright casket, So come on out,
don't keep yourself in there.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We got to play it. Gay Americana released just in
time for Pride Month. You bet, and uh we're calling
it the gayest song of the summer, all right, it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Is, trust me. Once you hear that chorus, it's like
sixty five times.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It could be tied for the gayest song of the
summer because we're still playing the Share Christmas song.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes they are, Oh my god, well, no, we should
really put that on the table, do you guys like
DJ play a Christmas song. Yeah, I play this June.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I play it every week.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Shout out to my closest friend, Sam Gongle, Samantha Gongle.
This we don't understand how this record has not swept
the world. This is like one of the best pop
songs I've ever heard of.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
To the choir, ready, I still play it. I play
it once a week. It's when I play about it.
You should never stop playing that. It's like playing a
chestnuts roasted got, an open fire and hunt shake
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