July 18, 2024 • 30 mins
Today we interview Jaime Caponetta who is the bestselling author of "STOP TRAINING YOUR DOG" She is also a IAABC Certified Canine Behavior Consultant, ABCDT Dog Trainer, A Dog and Baby Expert and the proud co-owner of Pawsome University.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
All right, this is gonna be fun. I'm glad you're
listening right now. My good friends Jamie Cappanetta and John
Cavana are here. You're both Cappettas, right. I never knew.
We got to figure that out sometimes you know different names. Anyway,
we met each other during pandemic. Yeah, Alex and I
decided to adopt a pandemic dog and we're like, oh god,
(00:22):
this is not working out. Remember we had I had
Ollie at the house for five minutes after we landed
from adopting him, and I was we got to take
him back right now. I remember that, how do we
meet you guys? And Alex and John became.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
First friends on Facebook? So that's how it started.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Right, So he said, so you guys became friends because
you're trainers, and he's like, we need you or what happened?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I think him and I became friends on Instagram like
way before COVID, just over like animal things like zeus stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh yeah, well, so we had this dog and Allie
was just nuts, right and where we don't know what
we're doing. And we had this other dog, Max, who
was great.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
He's just the unicorn dog.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, set you up for failure. I know, is that
what that is? Yes? So thank god Alex had reached
out to John earlier and then Jamie and then they
all during COVID they would come over, we'd sit outside,
socially disconnected whatever the hell used to say. I'm so
glad those days are not. And we started. We would
sit on the screened imports floor and we would together
(01:32):
just kind of train the dog and it was just
a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
It was it was and I think for you, I
think it was a little eye opening because a lot
of it was not the physical training. It was more
talking about your lifestyle and what this looks like and
what you're struggling with him, and and how that kind
of pans out as a family versus sit stay and.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Come right right, Sit stay? And what what chapter in
the book is that on? Anyway, So ja Amy worked
her ass off to write this book and then and
the story behind getting it done is very interesting. It's
called Stop Training Your Dog. And I said, you got
to come on the show and talk about it because
you and John your lives are so relatable beyond training dogs. Well,
(02:13):
let's start with stop training your Dog. Yes, why do
you call it stop training your dogs.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
So I wanted a decently catchy title for you to
be like, wait, what does that mean? And really the
meeting behind it is stop training and start teaching. You're
trying to force all of these things, but you're not
understanding that the lack of connection that you have with
your dog is actually the problem either. Now, this, this
book talks about a lot of emotions, So in the
(02:37):
very beginning, I'm like, listen, if you're not ready to
tap into your emotions, put the book down, because this
is you're not.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Going to like it. Wow, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I tell people like, there's a lot that goes in
this and it may hurt like it may hurt you
where you're like, oh wow, I mean I'm actually the problem,
and not in the way where other trainers will tell you, oh,
you're not being alpha, you're not being the leader, you're
not being rough enough on your dog. They're taking advantage
of Yes, none of that actually exists in reality. It's
if you aren't understanding and being empathetic for your dog
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and knowing their struggles and and putting that all together
and saying okay, getting curious and saying, my dog is
acting this way, because and what can I do to
avoid that? But also how can I fix their trauma?
How can I fix the negative attention seeking?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Because that's for a reason. You know.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
You mentioned the other day the girl who came on,
she talked about her her Italian mother, and and she
just kept praising the dog with treats because he kept
taking the pen or something like that and growling. And
you don't want to praise bad behavior. But at the
same time, did she get curious and say, why is
he doing this? Why is he taking my pen and growling?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Right, there's a reason behind it. And that's what this
book does.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Just calling them an ahol isn't the full story.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
It's only a small part the end, the type thing reason.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
They're just an ah Now, now follow along if you
don't have a dog and don't even care about training
a dog or teaching a dog, I still think that
all of these principles apply to communication with a human
being as well. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I talk about kids a lot on this too, because
they're very very similar.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, So okay, so let's talk about writing the book.
All right. Yeah, So Jamie is dyslexic. I am. She
has two kids, two sons and another all the way
right now, Yes, she wrote a book, and you guys
have a farm where you have pigs.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And animals, pig and ten goats that are all rescued.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
In doing rehabit the farm.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yea, we have our rehab to Sody. So we right
now we actually have Kyla who's with us. Yes, she
is looking at home. But we take in these dogs
from shelters or rescues that need a little bit of
help finding their home. We take them in, we work
on some of the behaviors, and we try and promote
them up for adoption.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Decompressed, I've written a book, and that's impossible to have
all those things going on, but you did it. And
of course with the help of John making sure the
house was stable, you can go upstairs and write. Now
talking about just go back to what you were talking about.
Let's circle around, Yeah, about behaviors you see you're experiencing
from your dog. How do you figure out, oh my god,
(05:12):
let's make a connection here that dog is doing this
because of this You got to just consciously think about it.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yes, that way, Well, I think because of what I know,
I can link it really clearly. My goal is for
all my clients is to teach them well enough where
they can do it themselves eventually. Like I always say,
like when you work with me and you learn from me,
you should be able to do this for generations of
dogs because it's not super particular to that one dog.
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If you know how to get curious and you know
how you know like the little things that can set
a dog off anxiety, Like all of this stuff, you
can say, oh, okay, I've dealt with this before, or Okay,
this is an odd behavior. What do I think the
connection is? Like my friend the other day, her husband's
a doctor, he's gone a lot, and what the male
dog will come home and the second sits on the couch,
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he'll start to hump his leg and he's like, why is.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
He doing that to me? And it's like because he
misses you. It's stress related.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh my god, I'm gonna start humping I miss you
A yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
It's like it's a displacement behavior. So they do it
because they don't know what else to do. They're like,
pay attention to me, and he goes right on his
phone or he's talking to his wife or his kids,
and he and the dogs like.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
No, pay attention to me. And how many times do
you find kids are the same way adults are, friends
are the same way. They just want your attention.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Because what does he do the second he startsuming, he
starts yelling at him, right, just because he doesn't know
what else to do.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I mean, nobody really wants to get hump like that.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right, maybe.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
His own, But you know that's what the dog is saying.
Even though it's negative attention, it's still attention. It's the
same thing with kids. Any attention is good attention.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay, let's talk about another parallel between dogs, kids and adults.
When you leave to go to work and they get
very anxious, like I know, Alie. We can't really leave
Ali unattended, unattended alive. I mean he goes a little crazy,
then he calms down.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, he's a COVID puppy. He's what, he's a COVID puppy.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
He's a COVID puppy. He's used to being around people
all the time.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Three four years being with you guys, twenty four to seven,
and then you decided to go back to normal. If
and he's like cold on a second, we don't do this, right,
Why are you doing this.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
This is the same thing with kids, act people in general.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes, like you.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Know, if you were by yourself, a lot of you
want to stay by yourself now because.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
You know you're used to it.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I like this, right, And then, like you said, with
the kids, it's separation anxiety. You've been home with your
parents for so long during COVID and now you want
to send me back to school, Like, Zach, what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, un it's the same thing.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
But what do you do then? If you had a
pandemic puppy, a COVID puppy, it's just.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Time you got to work through it. It's really with
this type of training, it's positive reinforcement behavioral training. So
it's not just ceased right, like go sit in your
create and wait and like just relax protocol like that
kind of stuff doesn't work over time. What it really
looks like is over time working through that problem in
a way where you're so hoarding them, you're holding the
boundary firmly, but with empathy.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So what does that mean in the course of the day.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So, like let's say you wanted to crate train, you
really need I have a lot of I work with
a lot of expecting parents. People will have kids, and
sometimes the dog needs separation from the kids or they
actually need to leave the house eventually, and we have
to get to a place where the dog is safe.
Right if the dog is left home alone, going to
get into stuff, destroys stuff, puts themselves at risk. Like
our dogs, both of our our two bigger older adopters,
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they would injure themselves, like if we left them. It
was traumatic, Like Oakley almost killed himself. It was horrible,
and we had to work through that by crate training
him because otherwise he would be unsafe in the house
and kid.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
No, that's a little bit, right, I guess you could continue.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
I'm sure, so working with that crate in in moderation.
So we're doing like enrichment in there, and we'll get
on to Richmond. That's a big topic to talk about,
like frozen bones, frozen cons work to eat, toys that
actually keep their engagement. You want to say no when
I leave, you actually get all over you real horses,
And I'm just gonna leave for a few minutes and
then I'm gonna come back and we're gonna keep working through.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So we start in short periods of time away. For instance,
we went up to June Farms with the dogs in
great place. We wanted to leave them in the room
so we could go to dinner with their friends. We couldn't.
All they started screaming like like a new room, right,
never been there before exactly. Yeah, and Max was there
with him, but he couldn't handle.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
No fight or flight. He's like, this is weird. He's like,
you're abandoning me.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh, given franquilizers, it's all good. That can help sometimes. Essentially,
there is a whole chapter on medication. So yes, dog, no, no.
When when we fly with them, we have to we
have to a lot of dogs. It's a lot. It
just so happened to had the bottle and the thing,
and like, okay, you were prepared. I have a question cheating.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So with I always thought like, oh my gosh, you
know you you're going to bring a child into the
house and the dog is going to be protective of
the kid right away and love the kid right away.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
But is it like if you bring a new sibling in,
does the dog get jealous?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Will dog get so it depends on your dog's personality.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Okay, thankfully, are three dogs pretty much love our kids,
which is great, but there are a lot of dogs
that are they will understand okay if you if you
do X y Z. Let's say, like you wait until
the baby comes home to get them out of your bed.
You're like, oh, I don't want my dog in my
bed anymore. Now that I have a baby, and you
wait until the baby comes home, you are blaming the
baby without the baby even saying hey, I assenting to
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that dog. The dog's like, all right, f this kid.
Okay no, And if you as a dog, you are
allowed to lay on your mom twenty four to seven.
Now your mom's breastfeeding and pushing you away this kid.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
It's the same thing with sip if.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
They come over and they kiss the baby and you're like, oh,
don't kiss the baby.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
They're like, okay again, I don't like this kid.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I know that all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
This didn't happen prior. Now what's the common denomination? Says
like are you guys having another?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Like are you kidding me? Wow?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah you have. You cannot blame the baby.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
And in both situations like even with like with siblings, right,
like I have a four year old and a two
year old, and I really see that JJ the four
year old really struggles with Joey now being so cute
and talking and playing, and he really struggles with that.
And I have to remind myself, don't don't, oh, don't
hit your brother, Like I have to work through it
with him, not connect the two of them, because he's
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gonna be like, all right, Well, anytime I'm near Joey,
you're playing with Joey, always get in trouble.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Yeah, and it.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Will it will be that, like, oh, you're on his
side all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know what I'm hearing here? Are you hearing it
as well? Gone, the connections between this and just every
day communication and interaction with our friends, how we communicate
with the temple. Yeah, if someone walks through the room
and they're like, you know, in a snit, you know,
I was tell me, gone, wow, what a bitch, it
was like, well, hold on, there's a reason why that. Yes,
(12:02):
interesting texts educator here. These are great tips for students,
especially kindergarteners who didn't have a first school experience because
of COVID. Are we seeing so many behavioral issues in
the classroom? Yet we are seeing these behavioral issues in
the classroom. Also, the woman on the show. Jamie, by
the way, is talking about the basic principles of applied
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behavior analysis. I do this for a living, huh, but
with the children, adults, children and adults living with autism.
I'm loving everything she's saying. By the way, if you're
just turning us on, Jamie Cappanata is here her dog.
Her book is called Stop Training Your Dog. It's available now.
It's already hitting some best like.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
The YAH best seller in three categories was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
What's up, Nate, I don't have a microphone. I got
one right here. Okay, okay, So here's the question. So
is there like an IQ test for dogs? And I
say this because I have.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Seen dogs that I'm like, okay, feels like that things
should be a little bit it is. I don't know
if it's just not trained. And I can't have dogs,
but I see people with dogs. I'm like, why is
your dog running around like that?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah? So is the something a great question? Actually?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
So I always explain it as there's two types of dogs. Now,
there's obviously like other umbrellas underneath that. But you have
your happy dummies and you have your smarty pantss. Okay,
you're smarty pants. You're happy, happy dummies, Happy dummies. Elevator
music is playing all of the time.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
For brains can learn, they can do obedience cues, they can,
you know, go with their lives out.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
They're very much so go with the flow. We have
two happy dummies and they're just happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They're happy to be fed.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
They're happy to live indoors, and they appreciate every moment
that they are alive.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I look at Oakley and I'm like that.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
There is just like la la la la la all day,
all day, like a goldfish.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
They swim around the ball and it's all brand new.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yes, I want that.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
And he's just enjoying himself. Twenty four to seven, and
he's been through hell. He was in the South. He
was abused. If you move too quickly, he'll flinch. But
he still absolutely loves people on all dogs. He's been
attacked by dogs, and he's just so forgiving.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
He's really not that smart.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I love him to death, but if he was stuck
in a paper bag, he would not be able to
get out.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
All right, Okay, okay, But he's a therapy dog.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
He literally is a certified, so he can do amazing things,
but he is not that smart. Okay, all right, right,
then you have your smarty pantss, which is Pudge. Pudge
Alina are twelve pound chuaa. Okay she was born. If
she could talk and had thumps, she could be president. Okay,
smartest dog I've ever met in my entire life. She
is just ready to go at a drop of the hat.
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She's like, all right, you wore that last week? What's
going on? Like she knows everything like two witsy. I'm
pretty sure she's known every single time that I've been
pregnant before I've known I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay. With my schnauzers, I have two smarty pants. Actually, so.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Is a mix. I will say very.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
No, no, no, it's for the benefit It's for the
benefit of him, because being a smarty pants is not fun.
So that's a big misconception. Everybody says I want the
smartest dog. I'm like, you want the dumbest dog in
the room. I'm telling you you do not want a
smart dog. Everybody with their assy Aussi shepherds, your dog.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Is smarter than you. This is not gonna work out.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
With your other half to like, if you don't want
the smart and you have the dumbest one in the room, we.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Don't have it.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Being the smarty pants is honestly torture.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, So Max is the smarty pants. And because he's
so sensitive, he's always tuned in. He looks you, watching
your every move, hyper focused. You're anxious, sort makes the
anxious and so Ali being more of a like a
dummy pants whatever hell he is, he just kind of
lets things go.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yes, right, rolls off his shoulder. He's more gone with
the flow. But he's still smart, right, No, he's brilliant. Yeah,
so there are There is a very small percentage that
can be both. So my parents dog Gatsby is both
and he struggles.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So, okay, this text is interesting. This is all great
and fine and all, but my dog is a dick question.
That's the statement, Froggy, did you send that frog?
Speaker 9 (16:07):
Here's the deal. I was like you, I had a
dog and he is the best dog ever in the
history of dogs. And so I went back to the
same person. I got a dog from the same mom
and dad. I thought, okay, I'll recreate this dog. I
got a smarty pant and I got just a hey,
I'm just happy to be here dog.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Excellent.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Is that normal when you even from the same litter,
from the same mother and father, you can still get
two completely different animals.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
That is such a good question. Absolutely, think about kids. Okay,
my two boys the same parents, completely different children completely.
Jj is extremely social and just inquisitive, ask all these
amazing questions. Joey is I pick things up and put
them down and very much so wants to learn, but
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not be social.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Like they are complete opposites.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Wow, and we basically raised them the same, I know,
you know at the same time, like we are different
parents now that we've done this before with the second one,
but really their personalities are completely different. So genetics really,
at the end of the day, they do have a
lot to do with it. But you could have a
whole litter of puppies that are all completely different.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What about your your puppies, Danielle, my puppies, you're not
your breasts, your your two sons.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, they're completely different, like well exactly one of them
is more like you know, you know, it's harder for
him to make friends or like, you know, be in
social situations. He gets nervous and the other one is
the you know the one, the part that social party
animal is college.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, that's exactly my kids.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
A lot of people are texting in what's the name
of this book. It's called Stop Training Your Dog by
Jamie Kampanada.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Can find it on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And you already been like doing really well on some
of the Amazon lists.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, I got bestseller.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
You know what's amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You're saying, how we you know, we're we teach kids
or dog or whatever something, and then we then we're
trying to say, well, now you can't do that anymore,
you know, like lay on your belly.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Well now you can't do that anymore because I have
a kid and you can't lay on my belly. Money,
but whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's the same thing with like potty training. I always think,
like you're telling this kid you can crap in your
pants for all these years, and then all one day
you're telling me I can't grab my pants anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Like you know what I mean, I supposed to learn that.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
That's what we call a negative association, because now you
just changed the game on me. Everything I've ever known
is now completely different, and it doesn't seem fun at all.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
No, and then when you get to a certain age,
you can crap your pants.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm approaching that again. Get so happy. I watch your questions. Cary.
You know one of my friends. Every time company comes
to the house and the dog gets so excited, it
runs in circles and it peas everywhere. Yes, is it
teachable to like prevent the paining from happening.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So yes, But I always want people to understand submissive
exciting peeing is not an accident. It's not in the
same category as not being potty trained. Okay, it's not.
It's over excitement, and some dogs throw up, some dogs
will pee, will poop. They like, it's just a bodily
function that they cannot control. So they're so excited that
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their body literally was like, oh I forgot how to
hold that. Sorry, my bad. Okay, it's called impulse control.
Teaching impulse control. This is the same exact thing with kids.
If they never learn how to calm down, you don't
teach them how to come down the ladder on their
own without you getting involved, they will never calm down.
So you overhear people say, oh, they'll calm down as
they get older. Bys No, it is it is not
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a given. It is a skill that needs to be learned.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
How do you teach them?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
So it's depending on what the situation is. In those situations,
I would have them work at the door. Quite often.
You can't do this like once a month. It's got
to be more consistent and basically come up with a
method that works for that dog. So a lot of times,
my favorite method is literally giving enrichment the second you
walk in the door. So like scare, if you're gonna
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come in the door, they already leave a frozen marabone
or a frozen right outside the door.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
You give it to the dog.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
The dog's like, oh thanks for this peace offering, has
something else to mentally focus on. I will also be excited,
being excited that you're there.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay, I get that.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Like, oh, here's this present and hi. For instance, Ollie
always has an animal in its mouth, like a plush
plush toy. That's that's excitement. It's on purpose. So if
ever you know, he knows he's about to go outside,
he runs out the door and he'll pick up a
pile of leaves in his mouth and just run with them.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Opally brought me my heating pad one time.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
There you go. It was adorable, which was like, no,
thankfully it was not. So Yeah, he was so excited.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
He brought it over to me.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Gandhi has so many questions. I so many thoughts.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
You're so many Okay. First of all, can you teach
an old dog new tricks?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Okay, because think about it this way. I always say this.
If you're twenty, can you go to therapy?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
What if you're sixty, I mean.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
You can go.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I don't know if it's gonna Yeah, it's gonna take.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
A little bit longer because you got more issh to
work out, but you can still go and make positive
change for you and the people around you.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
So it's when it comes to training.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Everybody thinks obedience, right, you think, how do I get
my dog to.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Do X, Y Z?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And it's like, no, well what is your actual goal?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Right?
Speaker 5 (21:11):
If you're dealing with like dog reactivity, your dog hates
other dogs, you go and walk and your dog's losing
their light?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yes, okay that is the case.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
If they're one, you can you'll work on that a
lot quicker because they've had less time experiencing those emotions.
But if your dog is older, it may take a
little bit longer, but it's one hundred percent doable if
you do it right. So we want to say we
like dogs. We're not saying shut your mouth, your emotions
don't matter here. No, you're fearful. You're fearful of that dog.
I see that, right, I get it. Dogs can be scared.
(21:37):
That dog's barking at you too. I'd be scared. And
you're saying no every single time you're around a dog.
You're getting all the love in the world, treats, praise,
the whole nimes, and you consistently do that until your
dog is like, oh, we're not in fight or flight.
That was silly, I'm good. It's kids with thunderstorms. If
you tell them to man up and stop crying, they're
gonna be like this sucks, and I'm never going to
(21:58):
tell you how I feel ever again.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Right.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
But if like with with my four year old John
and my my dad last summer when he was three,
he realized that thunder was scary, and instead of saying
stop crying, they sat in front of the window. They
had pipe popsicles together and they watched the storm.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Oh how fun.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And now every single time there's a thunderstorm he wants
to call Poppy and say, oh, there's a thunderstorm, pop
and we have to watch together. Like now, that's a
positive association. So it's the same thing with with dogs
that are that are dog reactive. Make it a positive
association over time. The mailman, same thing. You dog hates
the mailman every single time nail un comes. Give your
dog hot dogs? Oh wow, every single time? Okay, kind
(22:35):
I like the mailman. Now he's not trying to break
into my home, not getting yelled at. Geta.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Let's hear it for Wiener therapy always works.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Usually they won't bark if you're not home, okay, usually
because they don't feel as protected when you're there. It's
like kids, right when when when you're there, or when
let's say your kids go to school and they're super
well behaved and they come home and they're like black,
just all the emotions everyone. It's because they're really comfortable
with you at school. They don't feel as safe, so
they're not gonna do that.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I'd rather than do that at a home now too.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
So my sister got a pandemic puppy. They were home
with her for a year and a half ish and
then they both went to work and they moved, and
her behavior changed dramatically.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
They won't They both went back to work and they moved.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
They moved to a new house. They want to double
where me now? She cannot be around anybody but about
four people. She's the sweetest, she's the smarty pants, she's
the sweetest. If somebody comes over, she wants to rip
their face off. How do you even start to work
on that when she wants to rip somebody's face off.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
So them going back to work and them moving was
very traumatic for her all at once. So she is
kind of still in a fight or flight. So she
may actually have a chemical imbalance right now.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I believe that.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
So a lot of times, if like I would work
with her, I would kind of look for some characteristics
and say, okay, like your dog made me medication and
just just for a little bit. A lot of people
will say, oh, they're on medication, They're gonna be on
it for life. That's not how I work, Especially like humans,
you go to therapy, you go on medica, you should
eventually wean off your body should not need that for life.
The goal is to work through these issues. So obviously
she's got a lot of anxiety, and she is very
(24:08):
much so like her cortisol levels are higher than they
should be, so her brain is like, oh, no, we're
we're not okay.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, to freak out constantly. Yeah, my god, nothing's so.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Now I need to stay safe. So I need to
keep everybody away from me.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
And then what about approaching dogs you don't know, asking
for a friend? Are there things that you should and
should not does.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Oh my god, if you say it's okay, my dog
is friendly, stop it, stop it right now. A lot
of times when dogs are like meeting I never do
face to face meets ever. And this is this is
actually a whole chapter in the book Socializing Your Dog.
We don't do face to face meets, even the friendliest
of dogs, because that's like going on a blind day
and just basically coming up to the person and making
(24:46):
out with them, Like that would never happen. That would
be weird, right, But we do with our dogs. You're like, oh,
is your dog friendly? Oh, let's just go right to
each other. They both go and do the ying and
the yang, and they're both smelling each other's butt and
you're exposing your your neck and that's don't do that
like that will send like adrenaline to the body.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Like Okay, again, we're in fight or flight? Do I
need to make a decision.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
We're basically asking them within the first five seconds decide
friend or fell.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And what I like to do is go for a
pair walk. So, oh is your dog friendly? Yes? But
can we pair walk together?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Can we just give them some time to get used
to the fact that there's another dog here, and then
they can meet each other eventually when they're walking and
we just slowly as we go get closer and closer
together and see how they act.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Wow. Look, this is why we love Jamie and stop training.
Your dog is out. It's on Amazon. It's waiting for
you to buy it. If not for you, someone you
know would really really love to have this. What a
great gift. And having you guys here is awesome. Thank you.
Oh yeah, all the socials, how do they follow you? Guys?
This possum universe is still university is still a thing.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
So we have recently in the last year, I decided
to write this book and everything has changed.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I decided to now niche down.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
I really want to just focus on families expecting children,
toddlers with their dogs. So I actually started a brand
new Instagram. It is at Jamie the Dog Trainer j A.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I M E. I spell my name really weird, thanks
to my parents.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
So that is my new Instagram. You can follow me there.
John will be taking over Possum University. He has not
yet figured out exactly how he wants to take it yet.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, it's it's going to be more. We're going to
continue to educate people about dogs.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, so you're still doing the podcast. Oh that's a no.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
One took a back burner because I had a new podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's because that podcast you guys did together was awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
We we should probably start it up again.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
We just have to figure out exactly what John wants
to do with it, where he wants to take it.
But we're both on this journey to really find exactly
what we want to do now. We started this business,
and we both realize now that we're parents three kids,
you know, things change, So we want to make sure
that what we're doing is one hundred percent what we
want to be doing. So the new podcast for me
is called pause and pacifiers.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So so many different ways to uh to uh to
pipe in. We're gonna do is. We're gonna put it
upon our socials at Elvis and Elvis drand show, and
then we'll make sure they know exactly where to go
find you guys, stop training your dog, Jamie John, thank
you guys for coming in. Of course, thanks for having us.
That was awesome, a lot of great feedback, people loving it.
(27:13):
How do you feel about dog parks? Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I hate him? Okay, It's like.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
It's like going swimming with no lifeguard, Like there's there's
no referee, and your parents are there, which completely changes that.
So like if I brought my dog now again, my
dogs are mostly dog friendly. Punch doesn't really like anybody
but the other two like they wouldn't start a problem.
But like let's say I have a dog who's very
protective of me or jealous and another dog comes up
(27:41):
to me, I'm basically just putting my dog in a
really bad place. And that's where we see a lot
of dog fights because our parents are there, so we
feel differently than we would daycare. I like daycare. If
you go to a good daycare, you have good attendance
that make sure everybody's safe and there's no you know,
bs behavior going on.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
I don't dog parks because again there's no one there
to say, okay, you're at a bounce like you need
a break?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Wow, Wow again, thank you, you're welcome. I can't bring
the topics.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
And it's like, I know I have a question, but
I'll wait a world.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Well, I wanted to know.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So when I was babysitting a dog like years ago,
but massive, and the dog loved me. When my sister
came over, it attacked her and I had to actually
stop the attack from happening. And I was like, well,
I don't understand the difference. The dog was so friendly,
why is it friendly to me but then not friendly
to her? She's a nice person, Like I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Your dog didn't know her well?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And did you meet the dog when the parents were there?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Oh yeah, I knew that yeah for a long time.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
So to that dog that because his parents weren't there,
he may have been like, oh, this person's not supposed
to be here.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So there could be a lot that goes into that.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
She could have looked like someone from a traumatic issue,
like it could have been a myriad of things. But
what I'm thinking is that because the parents weren't there
and it was just you and you were alone.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's also you know what should give us the answers
that it's like.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
When I talk to my class, are like, why didn't
I think of that?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Was like, because you are looking at it in a
magnifying glass, and I have no emotional attachment to the situation,
Like you absolutely adore your dog, you have all this
baggage with them, there's so many emotions, Like I am
looking at this from a very logical point of view,
and that's why I'm able to give you these answers
because it's not my dog.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Is there a dog breed you would tell people to
stay away from?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh, be careful.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Here, here's the thing, because I know I was listening
when you guys are going over like the worst behavior dogs,
it's it's very much so again those smarty pants breeds.
We want to make sure that we are getting dogs
that are behaviorally sound, that they are not the anxious dogs.
Now they still deserve love, don't get me wrong, but
they're the ones that if your lifestyle can't handle that,
(29:50):
like if you aren't able to say, yes, I'm taking
this dog on and I'm ready to handle anything they
throw at me, don't get that dog. And a lot
of people will go for aesthetics or how the dog looks,
but in reality you have to really look at like
what kind of behaviors are usually stereotyped.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
To this dog.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
How much exercise does that dog eat every day?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Does exactly yes?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
And that Now that's not always like perfect either, like
you could have, like you know, the Golden Retriever. Everyone's like, oh,
Golden Retriever dogs are amazing, right. I've trained a lot
of Golden Retriever that also have chemical imbalances due to
bad breeding, like brothers and sisters making puppies. That's not
supposed to happen, but it has happened because people don't
care bad breeding. So you have to be careful. So
(30:31):
when you get a purebred dog, you are you are
essentially sometimes taking a risk when it comes to genetics.
You're not always going to get the perfect dog in
the world, So I prefer months.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
That's my thing. I like the mix.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Married again again, Jimmy John, thank you for coming. Stop
training your dog is the book? Grab it today, Thanks
for coming into
Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
All right, this is gonna be fun. I'm glad you're
listening right now. My good friends Jamie Cappanetta and John
Cavana are here. You're both Cappettas, right. I never knew.
We got to figure that out sometimes you know different names. Anyway,
we met each other during pandemic. Yeah, Alex and I
decided to adopt a pandemic dog and we're like, oh god,
(00:22):
this is not working out. Remember we had I had
Ollie at the house for five minutes after we landed
from adopting him, and I was we got to take
him back right now. I remember that, how do we
meet you guys? And Alex and John became.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
First friends on Facebook? So that's how it started.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Right, So he said, so you guys became friends because
you're trainers, and he's like, we need you or what happened?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I think him and I became friends on Instagram like
way before COVID, just over like animal things like zeus stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh yeah, well, so we had this dog and Allie
was just nuts, right and where we don't know what
we're doing. And we had this other dog, Max, who
was great.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
He's just the unicorn dog.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, set you up for failure. I know, is that
what that is? Yes? So thank god Alex had reached
out to John earlier and then Jamie and then they
all during COVID they would come over, we'd sit outside,
socially disconnected whatever the hell used to say. I'm so
glad those days are not. And we started. We would
sit on the screened imports floor and we would together
(01:32):
just kind of train the dog and it was just
a lot of fun.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
It was it was and I think for you, I
think it was a little eye opening because a lot
of it was not the physical training. It was more
talking about your lifestyle and what this looks like and
what you're struggling with him, and and how that kind
of pans out as a family versus sit stay and.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Come right right, Sit stay? And what what chapter in
the book is that on? Anyway, So ja Amy worked
her ass off to write this book and then and
the story behind getting it done is very interesting. It's
called Stop Training Your Dog. And I said, you got
to come on the show and talk about it because
you and John your lives are so relatable beyond training dogs. Well,
(02:13):
let's start with stop training your Dog. Yes, why do
you call it stop training your dogs.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
So I wanted a decently catchy title for you to
be like, wait, what does that mean? And really the
meeting behind it is stop training and start teaching. You're
trying to force all of these things, but you're not
understanding that the lack of connection that you have with
your dog is actually the problem either. Now, this, this
book talks about a lot of emotions, So in the
(02:37):
very beginning, I'm like, listen, if you're not ready to
tap into your emotions, put the book down, because this
is you're not.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Going to like it. Wow, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
I tell people like, there's a lot that goes in
this and it may hurt like it may hurt you
where you're like, oh wow, I mean I'm actually the problem,
and not in the way where other trainers will tell you, oh,
you're not being alpha, you're not being the leader, you're
not being rough enough on your dog. They're taking advantage
of Yes, none of that actually exists in reality. It's
if you aren't understanding and being empathetic for your dog
(03:06):
and knowing their struggles and and putting that all together
and saying okay, getting curious and saying, my dog is
acting this way, because and what can I do to
avoid that? But also how can I fix their trauma?
How can I fix the negative attention seeking?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Because that's for a reason. You know.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
You mentioned the other day the girl who came on,
she talked about her her Italian mother, and and she
just kept praising the dog with treats because he kept
taking the pen or something like that and growling. And
you don't want to praise bad behavior. But at the
same time, did she get curious and say, why is
he doing this? Why is he taking my pen and growling?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Right, there's a reason behind it. And that's what this
book does.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Just calling them an ahol isn't the full story.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
It's only a small part the end, the type thing reason.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
They're just an ah Now, now follow along if you
don't have a dog and don't even care about training
a dog or teaching a dog, I still think that
all of these principles apply to communication with a human
being as well. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I talk about kids a lot on this too, because
they're very very similar.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Okay, So okay, so let's talk about writing the book.
All right. Yeah, So Jamie is dyslexic. I am. She
has two kids, two sons and another all the way
right now, Yes, she wrote a book, and you guys
have a farm where you have pigs.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And animals, pig and ten goats that are all rescued.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
In doing rehabit the farm.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yea, we have our rehab to Sody. So we right
now we actually have Kyla who's with us. Yes, she
is looking at home. But we take in these dogs
from shelters or rescues that need a little bit of
help finding their home. We take them in, we work
on some of the behaviors, and we try and promote
them up for adoption.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Decompressed, I've written a book, and that's impossible to have
all those things going on, but you did it. And
of course with the help of John making sure the
house was stable, you can go upstairs and write. Now
talking about just go back to what you were talking about.
Let's circle around, Yeah, about behaviors you see you're experiencing
from your dog. How do you figure out, oh my god,
(05:12):
let's make a connection here that dog is doing this
because of this You got to just consciously think about it.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yes, that way, Well, I think because of what I know,
I can link it really clearly. My goal is for
all my clients is to teach them well enough where
they can do it themselves eventually. Like I always say,
like when you work with me and you learn from me,
you should be able to do this for generations of
dogs because it's not super particular to that one dog.
(05:40):
If you know how to get curious and you know
how you know like the little things that can set
a dog off anxiety, Like all of this stuff, you
can say, oh, okay, I've dealt with this before, or Okay,
this is an odd behavior. What do I think the
connection is? Like my friend the other day, her husband's
a doctor, he's gone a lot, and what the male
dog will come home and the second sits on the couch,
(06:00):
he'll start to hump his leg and he's like, why is.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
He doing that to me? And it's like because he
misses you. It's stress related.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh my god, I'm gonna start humping I miss you
A yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
It's like it's a displacement behavior. So they do it
because they don't know what else to do. They're like,
pay attention to me, and he goes right on his
phone or he's talking to his wife or his kids,
and he and the dogs like.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
No, pay attention to me. And how many times do
you find kids are the same way adults are, friends
are the same way. They just want your attention.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Because what does he do the second he startsuming, he
starts yelling at him, right, just because he doesn't know
what else to do.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I mean, nobody really wants to get hump like that.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Right, maybe.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
His own, But you know that's what the dog is saying.
Even though it's negative attention, it's still attention. It's the
same thing with kids. Any attention is good attention.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Okay, let's talk about another parallel between dogs, kids and adults.
When you leave to go to work and they get
very anxious, like I know, Alie. We can't really leave
Ali unattended, unattended alive. I mean he goes a little crazy,
then he calms down.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, he's a COVID puppy. He's what, he's a COVID puppy.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
He's a COVID puppy. He's used to being around people
all the time.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Three four years being with you guys, twenty four to seven,
and then you decided to go back to normal. If
and he's like cold on a second, we don't do this, right,
Why are you doing this.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
This is the same thing with kids, act people in general.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes, like you.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Know, if you were by yourself, a lot of you
want to stay by yourself now because.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
You know you're used to it.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I like this, right, And then, like you said, with
the kids, it's separation anxiety. You've been home with your
parents for so long during COVID and now you want
to send me back to school, Like, Zach, what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, un it's the same thing.
Speaker 8 (07:37):
But what do you do then? If you had a
pandemic puppy, a COVID puppy, it's just.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Time you got to work through it. It's really with
this type of training, it's positive reinforcement behavioral training. So
it's not just ceased right, like go sit in your
create and wait and like just relax protocol like that
kind of stuff doesn't work over time. What it really
looks like is over time working through that problem in
a way where you're so hoarding them, you're holding the
boundary firmly, but with empathy.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So what does that mean in the course of the day.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So, like let's say you wanted to crate train, you
really need I have a lot of I work with
a lot of expecting parents. People will have kids, and
sometimes the dog needs separation from the kids or they
actually need to leave the house eventually, and we have
to get to a place where the dog is safe.
Right if the dog is left home alone, going to
get into stuff, destroys stuff, puts themselves at risk. Like
our dogs, both of our our two bigger older adopters,
(08:28):
they would injure themselves, like if we left them. It
was traumatic, Like Oakley almost killed himself. It was horrible,
and we had to work through that by crate training
him because otherwise he would be unsafe in the house
and kid.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
No, that's a little bit, right, I guess you could continue.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
I'm sure, so working with that crate in in moderation.
So we're doing like enrichment in there, and we'll get
on to Richmond. That's a big topic to talk about,
like frozen bones, frozen cons work to eat, toys that
actually keep their engagement. You want to say no when
I leave, you actually get all over you real horses,
And I'm just gonna leave for a few minutes and
then I'm gonna come back and we're gonna keep working through.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So we start in short periods of time away. For instance,
we went up to June Farms with the dogs in
great place. We wanted to leave them in the room
so we could go to dinner with their friends. We couldn't.
All they started screaming like like a new room, right,
never been there before exactly. Yeah, and Max was there
with him, but he couldn't handle.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
No fight or flight. He's like, this is weird. He's like,
you're abandoning me.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh, given franquilizers, it's all good. That can help sometimes. Essentially,
there is a whole chapter on medication. So yes, dog, no, no.
When when we fly with them, we have to we
have to a lot of dogs. It's a lot. It
just so happened to had the bottle and the thing,
and like, okay, you were prepared. I have a question cheating.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So with I always thought like, oh my gosh, you
know you you're going to bring a child into the
house and the dog is going to be protective of
the kid right away and love the kid right away.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
But is it like if you bring a new sibling in,
does the dog get jealous?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Will dog get so it depends on your dog's personality.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Okay, thankfully, are three dogs pretty much love our kids,
which is great, but there are a lot of dogs
that are they will understand okay if you if you
do X y Z. Let's say, like you wait until
the baby comes home to get them out of your bed.
You're like, oh, I don't want my dog in my
bed anymore. Now that I have a baby, and you
wait until the baby comes home, you are blaming the
baby without the baby even saying hey, I assenting to
(10:31):
that dog. The dog's like, all right, f this kid.
Okay no, And if you as a dog, you are
allowed to lay on your mom twenty four to seven.
Now your mom's breastfeeding and pushing you away this kid.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
It's the same thing with sip if.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
They come over and they kiss the baby and you're like, oh,
don't kiss the baby.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
They're like, okay again, I don't like this kid.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I know that all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
This didn't happen prior. Now what's the common denomination? Says
like are you guys having another?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Like are you kidding me? Wow?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah you have. You cannot blame the baby.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
And in both situations like even with like with siblings, right,
like I have a four year old and a two
year old, and I really see that JJ the four
year old really struggles with Joey now being so cute
and talking and playing, and he really struggles with that.
And I have to remind myself, don't don't, oh, don't
hit your brother, Like I have to work through it
with him, not connect the two of them, because he's
(11:31):
gonna be like, all right, Well, anytime I'm near Joey,
you're playing with Joey, always get in trouble.
Speaker 7 (11:34):
Yeah, and it.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Will it will be that, like, oh, you're on his
side all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know what I'm hearing here? Are you hearing it
as well? Gone, the connections between this and just every
day communication and interaction with our friends, how we communicate
with the temple. Yeah, if someone walks through the room
and they're like, you know, in a snit, you know,
I was tell me, gone, wow, what a bitch, it
was like, well, hold on, there's a reason why that. Yes,
(12:02):
interesting texts educator here. These are great tips for students,
especially kindergarteners who didn't have a first school experience because
of COVID. Are we seeing so many behavioral issues in
the classroom? Yet we are seeing these behavioral issues in
the classroom. Also, the woman on the show. Jamie, by
the way, is talking about the basic principles of applied
(12:25):
behavior analysis. I do this for a living, huh, but
with the children, adults, children and adults living with autism.
I'm loving everything she's saying. By the way, if you're
just turning us on, Jamie Cappanata is here her dog.
Her book is called Stop Training Your Dog. It's available now.
It's already hitting some best like.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
The YAH best seller in three categories was pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
What's up, Nate, I don't have a microphone. I got
one right here. Okay, okay, So here's the question. So
is there like an IQ test for dogs? And I
say this because I have.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Seen dogs that I'm like, okay, feels like that things
should be a little bit it is. I don't know
if it's just not trained. And I can't have dogs,
but I see people with dogs. I'm like, why is
your dog running around like that?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah? So is the something a great question? Actually?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
So I always explain it as there's two types of dogs. Now,
there's obviously like other umbrellas underneath that. But you have
your happy dummies and you have your smarty pantss. Okay,
you're smarty pants. You're happy, happy dummies, Happy dummies. Elevator
music is playing all of the time.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
For brains can learn, they can do obedience cues, they can,
you know, go with their lives out.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
They're very much so go with the flow. We have
two happy dummies and they're just happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They're happy to be fed.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
They're happy to live indoors, and they appreciate every moment
that they are alive.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I look at Oakley and I'm like that.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
There is just like la la la la la all day,
all day, like a goldfish.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
They swim around the ball and it's all brand new.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yes, I want that.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
And he's just enjoying himself. Twenty four to seven, and
he's been through hell. He was in the South. He
was abused. If you move too quickly, he'll flinch. But
he still absolutely loves people on all dogs. He's been
attacked by dogs, and he's just so forgiving.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
He's really not that smart.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I love him to death, but if he was stuck
in a paper bag, he would not be able to
get out.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
All right, Okay, okay, But he's a therapy dog.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
He literally is a certified, so he can do amazing things,
but he is not that smart. Okay, all right, right,
then you have your smarty pantss, which is Pudge. Pudge
Alina are twelve pound chuaa. Okay she was born. If
she could talk and had thumps, she could be president. Okay,
smartest dog I've ever met in my entire life. She
is just ready to go at a drop of the hat.
(14:39):
She's like, all right, you wore that last week? What's
going on? Like she knows everything like two witsy. I'm
pretty sure she's known every single time that I've been
pregnant before I've known I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay. With my schnauzers, I have two smarty pants. Actually, so.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Is a mix. I will say very.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
No, no, no, it's for the benefit It's for the
benefit of him, because being a smarty pants is not fun.
So that's a big misconception. Everybody says I want the
smartest dog. I'm like, you want the dumbest dog in
the room. I'm telling you you do not want a
smart dog. Everybody with their assy Aussi shepherds, your dog.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Is smarter than you. This is not gonna work out.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
With your other half to like, if you don't want
the smart and you have the dumbest one in the room, we.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Don't have it.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Being the smarty pants is honestly torture.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, So Max is the smarty pants. And because he's
so sensitive, he's always tuned in. He looks you, watching
your every move, hyper focused. You're anxious, sort makes the
anxious and so Ali being more of a like a
dummy pants whatever hell he is, he just kind of
lets things go.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yes, right, rolls off his shoulder. He's more gone with
the flow. But he's still smart, right, No, he's brilliant. Yeah,
so there are There is a very small percentage that
can be both. So my parents dog Gatsby is both
and he struggles.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So, okay, this text is interesting. This is all great
and fine and all, but my dog is a dick question.
That's the statement, Froggy, did you send that frog?
Speaker 9 (16:07):
Here's the deal. I was like you, I had a
dog and he is the best dog ever in the
history of dogs. And so I went back to the
same person. I got a dog from the same mom
and dad. I thought, okay, I'll recreate this dog. I
got a smarty pant and I got just a hey,
I'm just happy to be here dog.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Excellent.
Speaker 9 (16:24):
Is that normal when you even from the same litter,
from the same mother and father, you can still get
two completely different animals.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
That is such a good question. Absolutely, think about kids. Okay,
my two boys the same parents, completely different children completely.
Jj is extremely social and just inquisitive, ask all these
amazing questions. Joey is I pick things up and put
them down and very much so wants to learn, but
(16:54):
not be social.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Like they are complete opposites.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Wow, and we basically raised them the same, I know,
you know at the same time, like we are different
parents now that we've done this before with the second one,
but really their personalities are completely different. So genetics really,
at the end of the day, they do have a
lot to do with it. But you could have a
whole litter of puppies that are all completely different.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What about your your puppies, Danielle, my puppies, you're not
your breasts, your your two sons.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, they're completely different, like well exactly one of them
is more like you know, you know, it's harder for
him to make friends or like, you know, be in
social situations. He gets nervous and the other one is
the you know the one, the part that social party
animal is college.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, that's exactly my kids.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
A lot of people are texting in what's the name
of this book. It's called Stop Training Your Dog by
Jamie Kampanada.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Can find it on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And you already been like doing really well on some
of the Amazon lists.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, I got bestseller.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
You know what's amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You're saying, how we you know, we're we teach kids
or dog or whatever something, and then we then we're
trying to say, well, now you can't do that anymore,
you know, like lay on your belly.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Well now you can't do that anymore because I have
a kid and you can't lay on my belly. Money,
but whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's the same thing with like potty training. I always think,
like you're telling this kid you can crap in your
pants for all these years, and then all one day
you're telling me I can't grab my pants anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Like you know what I mean, I supposed to learn that.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
That's what we call a negative association, because now you
just changed the game on me. Everything I've ever known
is now completely different, and it doesn't seem fun at all.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
No, and then when you get to a certain age,
you can crap your pants.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'm approaching that again. Get so happy. I watch your questions. Cary.
You know one of my friends. Every time company comes
to the house and the dog gets so excited, it
runs in circles and it peas everywhere. Yes, is it
teachable to like prevent the paining from happening.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So yes, But I always want people to understand submissive
exciting peeing is not an accident. It's not in the
same category as not being potty trained. Okay, it's not.
It's over excitement, and some dogs throw up, some dogs
will pee, will poop. They like, it's just a bodily
function that they cannot control. So they're so excited that
(19:10):
their body literally was like, oh I forgot how to
hold that. Sorry, my bad. Okay, it's called impulse control.
Teaching impulse control. This is the same exact thing with kids.
If they never learn how to calm down, you don't
teach them how to come down the ladder on their
own without you getting involved, they will never calm down.
So you overhear people say, oh, they'll calm down as
they get older. Bys No, it is it is not
(19:32):
a given. It is a skill that needs to be learned.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
How do you teach them?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
So it's depending on what the situation is. In those situations,
I would have them work at the door. Quite often.
You can't do this like once a month. It's got
to be more consistent and basically come up with a
method that works for that dog. So a lot of times,
my favorite method is literally giving enrichment the second you
walk in the door. So like scare, if you're gonna
(19:57):
come in the door, they already leave a frozen marabone
or a frozen right outside the door.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
You give it to the dog.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
The dog's like, oh thanks for this peace offering, has
something else to mentally focus on. I will also be excited,
being excited that you're there.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay, I get that.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Like, oh, here's this present and hi. For instance, Ollie
always has an animal in its mouth, like a plush
plush toy. That's that's excitement. It's on purpose. So if
ever you know, he knows he's about to go outside,
he runs out the door and he'll pick up a
pile of leaves in his mouth and just run with them.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Opally brought me my heating pad one time.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
There you go. It was adorable, which was like, no,
thankfully it was not. So Yeah, he was so excited.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
He brought it over to me.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Gandhi has so many questions. I so many thoughts.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
You're so many Okay. First of all, can you teach
an old dog new tricks?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Okay, because think about it this way. I always say this.
If you're twenty, can you go to therapy?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
What if you're sixty, I mean.
Speaker 8 (20:53):
You can go.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I don't know if it's gonna Yeah, it's gonna take.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
A little bit longer because you got more issh to
work out, but you can still go and make positive
change for you and the people around you.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
So it's when it comes to training.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Everybody thinks obedience, right, you think, how do I get
my dog to.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Do X, Y Z?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And it's like, no, well what is your actual goal?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Right?
Speaker 5 (21:11):
If you're dealing with like dog reactivity, your dog hates
other dogs, you go and walk and your dog's losing
their light?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yes, okay that is the case.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
If they're one, you can you'll work on that a
lot quicker because they've had less time experiencing those emotions.
But if your dog is older, it may take a
little bit longer, but it's one hundred percent doable if
you do it right. So we want to say we
like dogs. We're not saying shut your mouth, your emotions
don't matter here. No, you're fearful. You're fearful of that dog.
I see that, right, I get it. Dogs can be scared.
(21:37):
That dog's barking at you too. I'd be scared. And
you're saying no every single time you're around a dog.
You're getting all the love in the world, treats, praise,
the whole nimes, and you consistently do that until your
dog is like, oh, we're not in fight or flight.
That was silly, I'm good. It's kids with thunderstorms. If
you tell them to man up and stop crying, they're
gonna be like this sucks, and I'm never going to
(21:58):
tell you how I feel ever again.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Right.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
But if like with with my four year old John
and my my dad last summer when he was three,
he realized that thunder was scary, and instead of saying
stop crying, they sat in front of the window. They
had pipe popsicles together and they watched the storm.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Oh how fun.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And now every single time there's a thunderstorm he wants
to call Poppy and say, oh, there's a thunderstorm, pop
and we have to watch together. Like now, that's a
positive association. So it's the same thing with with dogs
that are that are dog reactive. Make it a positive
association over time. The mailman, same thing. You dog hates
the mailman every single time nail un comes. Give your
dog hot dogs? Oh wow, every single time? Okay, kind
(22:35):
I like the mailman. Now he's not trying to break
into my home, not getting yelled at. Geta.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Let's hear it for Wiener therapy always works.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Usually they won't bark if you're not home, okay, usually
because they don't feel as protected when you're there. It's
like kids, right when when when you're there, or when
let's say your kids go to school and they're super
well behaved and they come home and they're like black,
just all the emotions everyone. It's because they're really comfortable
with you at school. They don't feel as safe, so
they're not gonna do that.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
I'd rather than do that at a home now too.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
So my sister got a pandemic puppy. They were home
with her for a year and a half ish and
then they both went to work and they moved, and
her behavior changed dramatically.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
They won't They both went back to work and they moved.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
They moved to a new house. They want to double
where me now? She cannot be around anybody but about
four people. She's the sweetest, she's the smarty pants, she's
the sweetest. If somebody comes over, she wants to rip
their face off. How do you even start to work
on that when she wants to rip somebody's face off.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
So them going back to work and them moving was
very traumatic for her all at once. So she is
kind of still in a fight or flight. So she
may actually have a chemical imbalance right now.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I believe that.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
So a lot of times, if like I would work
with her, I would kind of look for some characteristics
and say, okay, like your dog made me medication and
just just for a little bit. A lot of people
will say, oh, they're on medication, They're gonna be on
it for life. That's not how I work, Especially like humans,
you go to therapy, you go on medica, you should
eventually wean off your body should not need that for life.
The goal is to work through these issues. So obviously
she's got a lot of anxiety, and she is very
(24:08):
much so like her cortisol levels are higher than they
should be, so her brain is like, oh, no, we're
we're not okay.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, to freak out constantly. Yeah, my god, nothing's so.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Now I need to stay safe. So I need to
keep everybody away from me.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
And then what about approaching dogs you don't know, asking
for a friend? Are there things that you should and
should not does.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Oh my god, if you say it's okay, my dog
is friendly, stop it, stop it right now. A lot
of times when dogs are like meeting I never do
face to face meets ever. And this is this is
actually a whole chapter in the book Socializing Your Dog.
We don't do face to face meets, even the friendliest
of dogs, because that's like going on a blind day
and just basically coming up to the person and making
(24:46):
out with them, Like that would never happen. That would
be weird, right, But we do with our dogs. You're like, oh,
is your dog friendly? Oh, let's just go right to
each other. They both go and do the ying and
the yang, and they're both smelling each other's butt and
you're exposing your your neck and that's don't do that
like that will send like adrenaline to the body.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Like Okay, again, we're in fight or flight? Do I
need to make a decision.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
We're basically asking them within the first five seconds decide
friend or fell.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And what I like to do is go for a
pair walk. So, oh is your dog friendly? Yes? But
can we pair walk together?
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Can we just give them some time to get used
to the fact that there's another dog here, and then
they can meet each other eventually when they're walking and
we just slowly as we go get closer and closer
together and see how they act.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Wow. Look, this is why we love Jamie and stop training.
Your dog is out. It's on Amazon. It's waiting for
you to buy it. If not for you, someone you
know would really really love to have this. What a
great gift. And having you guys here is awesome. Thank you.
Oh yeah, all the socials, how do they follow you? Guys?
This possum universe is still university is still a thing.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
So we have recently in the last year, I decided
to write this book and everything has changed.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So I decided to now niche down.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
I really want to just focus on families expecting children,
toddlers with their dogs. So I actually started a brand
new Instagram. It is at Jamie the Dog Trainer j A.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I M E. I spell my name really weird, thanks
to my parents.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
So that is my new Instagram. You can follow me there.
John will be taking over Possum University. He has not
yet figured out exactly how he wants to take it yet.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, it's it's going to be more. We're going to
continue to educate people about dogs.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, so you're still doing the podcast. Oh that's a no.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
One took a back burner because I had a new podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's because that podcast you guys did together was awesome.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
We we should probably start it up again.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
We just have to figure out exactly what John wants
to do with it, where he wants to take it.
But we're both on this journey to really find exactly
what we want to do now. We started this business,
and we both realize now that we're parents three kids,
you know, things change, So we want to make sure
that what we're doing is one hundred percent what we
want to be doing. So the new podcast for me
is called pause and pacifiers.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So so many different ways to uh to uh to
pipe in. We're gonna do is. We're gonna put it
upon our socials at Elvis and Elvis drand show, and
then we'll make sure they know exactly where to go
find you guys, stop training your dog, Jamie John, thank
you guys for coming in. Of course, thanks for having us.
That was awesome, a lot of great feedback, people loving it.
(27:13):
How do you feel about dog parks? Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I hate him? Okay, It's like.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
It's like going swimming with no lifeguard, Like there's there's
no referee, and your parents are there, which completely changes that.
So like if I brought my dog now again, my
dogs are mostly dog friendly. Punch doesn't really like anybody
but the other two like they wouldn't start a problem.
But like let's say I have a dog who's very
protective of me or jealous and another dog comes up
(27:41):
to me, I'm basically just putting my dog in a
really bad place. And that's where we see a lot
of dog fights because our parents are there, so we
feel differently than we would daycare. I like daycare. If
you go to a good daycare, you have good attendance
that make sure everybody's safe and there's no you know,
bs behavior going on.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
I don't dog parks because again there's no one there
to say, okay, you're at a bounce like you need
a break?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Wow, Wow again, thank you, you're welcome. I can't bring
the topics.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
And it's like, I know I have a question, but
I'll wait a world.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Well, I wanted to know.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So when I was babysitting a dog like years ago,
but massive, and the dog loved me. When my sister
came over, it attacked her and I had to actually
stop the attack from happening. And I was like, well,
I don't understand the difference. The dog was so friendly,
why is it friendly to me but then not friendly
to her? She's a nice person, Like I didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Your dog didn't know her well?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
And did you meet the dog when the parents were there?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Oh yeah, I knew that yeah for a long time.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
So to that dog that because his parents weren't there,
he may have been like, oh, this person's not supposed
to be here.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So there could be a lot that goes into that.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
She could have looked like someone from a traumatic issue,
like it could have been a myriad of things. But
what I'm thinking is that because the parents weren't there
and it was just you and you were alone.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's also you know what should give us the answers
that it's like.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
When I talk to my class, are like, why didn't
I think of that?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Was like, because you are looking at it in a
magnifying glass, and I have no emotional attachment to the situation,
Like you absolutely adore your dog, you have all this
baggage with them, there's so many emotions, Like I am
looking at this from a very logical point of view,
and that's why I'm able to give you these answers
because it's not my dog.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Is there a dog breed you would tell people to
stay away from?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh, be careful.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Here, here's the thing, because I know I was listening
when you guys are going over like the worst behavior dogs,
it's it's very much so again those smarty pants breeds.
We want to make sure that we are getting dogs
that are behaviorally sound, that they are not the anxious dogs.
Now they still deserve love, don't get me wrong, but
they're the ones that if your lifestyle can't handle that,
(29:50):
like if you aren't able to say, yes, I'm taking
this dog on and I'm ready to handle anything they
throw at me, don't get that dog. And a lot
of people will go for aesthetics or how the dog looks,
but in reality you have to really look at like
what kind of behaviors are usually stereotyped.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
To this dog.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
How much exercise does that dog eat every day?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Does exactly yes?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
And that Now that's not always like perfect either, like
you could have, like you know, the Golden Retriever. Everyone's like, oh,
Golden Retriever dogs are amazing, right. I've trained a lot
of Golden Retriever that also have chemical imbalances due to
bad breeding, like brothers and sisters making puppies. That's not
supposed to happen, but it has happened because people don't
care bad breeding. So you have to be careful. So
(30:31):
when you get a purebred dog, you are you are
essentially sometimes taking a risk when it comes to genetics.
You're not always going to get the perfect dog in
the world, So I prefer months.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
That's my thing. I like the mix.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Married again again, Jimmy John, thank you for coming. Stop
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