Kate Middleton Conspiracies, Delphi Verdict, Lamar Odom Custom Sex Doll, Naked Tourist Falls Through Ceiling, Quadruplet Pregnancy, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Let's get started with
the story of the day. This story is outrageous. So
this twenty year old girl goes to the emergency room
with a sore throat thinking that she's having an issue
with her tonsils and it was on April Fool's Day.
So she goes to the hospital and they can't figure
out where the irritation in her throat's coming from, so
they decide to give her some scans, but wanted to

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rule out pregnancy first because that could be really harmful
to an unborn child. So they tell her after the
pregnancy test, not only are you pregnant, but we think
that you're pregnant with quadruplets because your levels are so high.
And of course she thinks it's a joke because it's
April first, so but no, it's not funny or a
joke thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's much of a reality for her.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
So yeah, and she's she hasn't been with her boyfriend
too long?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Right, six months? Oh god?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
So she's twenty years old being told she's having four
babies with her boyfriend. That she's been with for six months. Yeah,
that's that's such a nightmare. I mean, I guess it's
it's kind of a blessing at the same time, because
you think how rare this is. It's just so so rare.
My entire career, I've looked at thousands of percentas and
I've never I had one once for a quadruplet.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
That's how rare that is.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So there has to be a part of you that's like, wow,
this is kind of crazy that this is happening to me.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Something so rare, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
But I would be scared to death being twenty years
old in a new relationship, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I mean, you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Think at least he was cool with it. It was like,
you know what, I'm piecing out and your stuff with
four kids now? Right, Well the kids aren't well they
just got here, right, so give them a minute to
get used to having four babies like that. But I
just can't I can't even wrap my head around it.
One is so much work. I just can't imagine having
four at the same time like that. Yeah, and then

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just you know the rarity of conceiving quadrupleits quadruplets naturally
I'm sure this happens a lot with IV not a lot,
but I'm sure it's more possible with ITS. Yeah, it's
definitely more common with IVF it's it's so so rare
when you just spontaneously produced quadrupleits.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's just really crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of unbelievable to think about.
You know, you're just twenty years old, going about your
life and then all of a sudden, whim, you have
four kids.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right, but these.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Pregnancies with multiples are pretty high risk, right, Yeah. So
they delivered her at twenty eight weeks little after twenty
eight weeks, and she had all four of the babies.
They all survived, and they range from one to two
pounds each. They're actually really cute, and it looks like
in the photo they had them dressed up in.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
These cute little outfits.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
They had like really tiny little cowboy hats on them
because they're born in the middle of October, so it
was super coat. So one important thing to note from
this case is when you go, I don't really know
why they would want to do an X ray on
someone that was having throat pain.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
That to me is kind of weird. I don't. I
don't know if you were getting the full story on that, but.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
When they do a pregnancy test, they look for levels
of HGG, which is called human choreonic gonadotropin. That's what
that stands for, and that's a hormone that gets released
into your body for pregnancy. So I have an interesting
thing to tell you this. So when I was originally
in school, when I first started, I was learning phlebotomy,

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which is.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Taking blood from people right.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Sweep, and we were doing we were doing pregnancy tests
at school, and we were you know, the teacher was
joking and saying, we need to take it from one
of you and we just may need to make sure
it's negative because we had a girl that was pregnant
in the class. So it was cool to say like, Okay,
this is positive, this is negative.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
And I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I didn't want one of the girls in the school
that just learned how to start taking blood to take
it from me. So I was like, oh, before I
come to school tomorrow morning, I'll just take some from
my dad. And that's what I did. I took my
stuff home and took my dad's blood for the negative
control for the HGG pregnancy test. But what happens in
early pregnancy is that that those levels they double every

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twenty four hours over the next couple of weeks, So
you could cond not only could you tell someone's pregnant
from these blood tests, but you all, it's the same
hormone that they test for at home tests too that
you pay on. But the blood tests, not only could
you tell if someone's pregnant, but you could tell if
their levels are rising appropriately. So if they're not, that's

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sometimes they could indicate that a woman might be having
a miscarriage at that point because they're not rising properly.
And if they're sky high, it could be for other
reasons as well. It could just be because the timing
is off, but it also could be caused by other
things like multiple births or tumors. Some tumors put off
of that hormone, so that could be a cause of

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alarm too. So when they saw the numbers that high,
they started realizing something there was something definitely wrong because
if her numbers were that high, she could she should
have been way further along than she was, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, so I thought that that was pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, so she gave birth in October. Seemingly all the
babies are healthy so far. It's a cool story to,
you know, not really realize that's what's happening, and then
be one of these rare situations where you naturally conceive
quadruplets and now all of a sudden you have four
cute little babies. I can't I can't wrap my brain
around it.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I just can't.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well. I mean, I don't know if she plans on
having more kids, but I kind of see it as like,
you get it all done in one shot, even though
your life's gonna suck for like the first couple of
years your kids is a lot for multiple shots, let
alone one shot. I just she's twenty. I just I
hope she's got a good support system. That's all I
have to say. Oh yeah, okay, let's get onto some

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juicy celebrity news.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh my god, Kate Middleton. More drama.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
So in January this year, we first reported that Kate
Middleton was scheduled to have this planned abdominal surgery, and
there was all these theories circulating the internet about what
was going on, and it just started getting weirder as
time progressed. The Palace started releasing all these like fake
photos of her to TMZ and they were photoshopped really poorly,

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and we were just really criticizing everything they were doing
because we're like, you were a major institution.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Well that was.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Before she came out and said she had cancer, so
everybody was thinking that her and William were possibly getting
divorced or there was some drama there and that's why
she hadn't been seen in a while.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And then she does this.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
This press release and this video that she has cancer,
and all of these people that were saying that that
he was cheating on her and she was hiding and
they were getting divorced felt terrible because he or she
had been battling cancer behind the scenes, Like people really
thought for a moment that she was dead, and then
they forced.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Her and they were hiding it, and they were hiding.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
It, which listen, I really wouldn't be surprised on its
these but yeah, they forced her to release this video,
which at first everybody was like, it seems like AI.
We reviewed it, we did not think it seemed like AI.
But in the video she said she had cancer, was
an undergoing treatment.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Everything. Now there's a new.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Speculation that maybe she did not have cancer at all,
because this legitimate royal journalist is coming out saying that
in her original statement, she said she had precancerous cells,
not cancer, and doctors are saying that they don't. You
can't like interchange those terms. What do you think about that?
I want to know what doctor that they're interviewing, because

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I originally said that I thought that she had an
ovarian tumor right back in March when she first said
she had cancer, based upon what she was telling us
happened with her, and I still think that that's true. Actually,
there's a tumor that you can get in your ovary
that's called a borderline ovary tumor. It's a weird kind
of tumor, so it's a tumor and it's not necessarily cancer,

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but it's also not necessarily benign. It's kind of one
of these ones in the middle that they say is
a low malignant potential because the term malignancy refers to
tumors that can have the ability to spread, and these
particular tumors don't typically spread, but they can, so that

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could be considered to be pre cancer by somebody that
doesn't really know what they're talking about because it's not
really cancer, but it could be cancer, and they there
are cases where they would treat a person with the
neoadjuvant chemotherapy like she was saying she got. Some people

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don't believe that that helps. Some people do believe that
that helps. She's a very high level person, and I
think that they're gonna throw everything at her to keep
her alive. So I think that it's very well possible
that this is my diagnosis as of right now, that
she had a borderline ovarian tumor that was treated and

(09:20):
technically that could be considered pre cancer. Isn't it also
just possible that she misspoke during her announcement video. No, no,
I just think that she's a princess and she she's
not a medical person, so they probably explained it to
her like listen, this isn't really cancer, but it also

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really isn't cancer. It could turn into cancer, it could spread,
but it's not spread right now. They could have said
things like that that she would have said that it
was pre cancer. So there's a lot of things in
pathology that just aren't black and white. It's not you
just have cancer or you don't. It's just not like
that there's a lot of different tumors that behave differently,

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and I think that that's what's happening in this case.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
She's also the age demographic for it.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
So normally when women are diagnosed with ovarian cancer, it's
around fifty five years old. With Kate, she and in
these borderline cases it's usually ten years younger. And that's
around isn't she around my age?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I think she's in she's younger, right, but she's in
her forties, So that would just make sense with timeline everything.
And another thing to consider is that she could have
had one of these borderline tumors at some point, because
they present as an ovarian cyst. She could have had
one five years ago, ten years ago, and it came back,
because sometimes they come back after you surgically remove them,

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and that is when they decided to give her this
new adjuvant chemotherapy. Even though under the microscope it might
not look like traditional cancer, it could sometimes behave in
that way. I guess everybody's freaking out because this reporter,
who's considered a really legitimate in the circle royal reporter,
has been putting out this information which there's been these

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theories going on for months online, So this new report
is kind of giving credibility to these online theories. And
they're saying that typically with these type of reporters, the
Palace has good rapport with them where if they're reporting
something that they don't think is correct, that they could
get them to retract it, but they're not. The Palace
has not asked this reporter to retract the statement, making

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people think that it's true that it was falsely reported.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
So it could be true.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
But what I just said, if you if somehow her
medical records leak and it says that she has a
border line tumor that technically wouldn't be classified as cancer,
so she would be lying technically if she said that
she had cancer. But it's do you understand, like it's
just kind of one of these weird things.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, I mean I get to it.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I don't stand seeing anything wrong with the story, And
I don't understand why what doctor they interviewed that said
either it either is or it isn't, just because of
this weird gray area that she could potentially fall into.
I just think there's just also this huge possibility that
you can just when you're making a statement misspeak especially
if you're not a medical professional and you don't understand it.

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So I think, I don't know. I think they're like
really blowing this up, and it's like, yeah, they just
there's no story here to me, And I just feel
terrible for her because of what she's been going through
under the microscope like this, and she just doesn't she
doesn't deserve it. She honestly, it would just be better

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if she I mean, she doesn't have to because she
is entitled to have her private life, but if she
just released some of her medical records, it would just
lay all the rumors to rest, you know, because everyone's speculating,
including me. I'm trying to stand up for her because
I think it's completely possible that that she went through
this and she's not making it up. I mean, I

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feel like historically they've never given in to rumors like
that and release such personal records. I mean, if we
think about it, what's going on with King Charles cancer
and with her, that's like kind of unreal for them.
They're not public with information like that. They want people
to see them as these higher figures and not eperior humans.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, I mean, they don't get sick.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
They literally represent the church in England, so I feel
like they want to be seen as these higher figures
that can't get the same illnesses that you know, like
the everyday peasants like us could get. So I do
find it interesting they've even been open in today's day
and age, and I wonder if that's because Elizabeth is
no longer here and Charles is taking over and it's
just like I'm gonna rule differently. It's I just think

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that nowadays it's just very hard to hide information because
there are people lurking in every corner with phones and
videos and access to things that normally could have been
brushed under the rock. You well. Also, when we were
reporting this earlier in the year, I think the week
that she announced she had cancer or no, the day
before that she released a video that she had cancer,

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we had reported that one of the hospital employees was
trying to access her records, remember, yeah, exactly, And that
might be why they came out. That's what one of
our theories was, was that somebody saw something and they
were like, we better put something out before before they.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Do, yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
So I don't know, it just it must be exhausting
just going through this on an everyday basis and having
everybody speculate about what's going on in your personal life. Oh,
a part of it you sign up for. So yeah, yeah,
I mean, like, listen, you married Prince William and your
mom was Princess Diana, who's like the number one person

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in the world that was harassed. So you know what
you're signing up for.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, you just you know?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
All right, let's this next story is so weird. So
there's this sex doll factory in Las Vegas, and I
guess at some point lamar Odom, you know, the NBA star,
he had seen an advertisement for it and decided he
was going to pay a So I don't know why,
but there's you know, photos and videos of him walking

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through this factory touching all the dolls. He seems to
be getting a little turned on. He's like picking up
dildos and stuff. So then it comes time for him
to make his own custom order. I guess at this plant,
you could make a totally customizable sex dolls, so it's
exactly what you're looking for, and he wants it to
look like his ex wife Chloe Kardashian. Do you think
that that's a little weird? And disturbing.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's very disturbing. I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I mean, not that anybody's doing that ever made, but
I don't like the fact that somebody could just go
in there and have the face and the body look
like yours. It's so violating. I don't know, it's just weird.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't like it at all. I think, you.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Know, they had a really weird marriage. I think at
some point they were really in love, but he had
serious drug and sex addictions. He was cheating on her
all the time when they were married. He had serious
cocaine use issues. He was found one time passed out
at a brothel, like this guy has been having issues
for years. They were married for a few years, and

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then I think they got married in two thousand and nine.
Then they got separated in twenty thirteen. She filed for
divorce and then withdrew that paperwork because he was going
through such severe addiction issues and she wanted to try
to help him. And then when you know, a year
later and she was like, you know what, I'm just
over this, so I am going through with it. And
he wrote a book and he always is saying publicly

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publicly that he's still massively in love with her. But like,
this is taking it way too far. I mean, you
said you didn't know why he was there, and it's
clear why he was there because he's he's getting paid
by these people to do this and it's working, right,
we're all talking about it, but I don't. I just
don't like that you can get the face and everything

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to look like another person. It just seems it just
seems like that shouldn't be allowed. Honestly, I feel like this.
If I was her, I would feel so violated by this.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Even if it's somebody.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
That you did have sex with, then you're choosing to
not be with that person anymore, so they shouldn't have
some choice to be with you. It's so fast, you're
having sex against your will, except it's not you, but
they're getting off as if.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
It is you. It's just weird.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think I'm taking this a little far. But it's
kind of reminding me of that horrible story we had
where they were going to consider making child sex dolls
for pedophiles. Yeah, exactly, No, it's a similar kind of thing,
like you shouldn't be allowed to fulfill all your fantasies.
Maybe like that. It's just when it's when it's hurting

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other potentially hurting other people.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean if I were her, I feel like I
would try to sue them for using her likeness if
they're actually going to go forward and make this also,
are they just going to make it and start selling
a sex doll that's like her for other.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
People to buy. It's extremely violating and disturbing. I don't
know why.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I don't know know one the Kardashian she could totally
just be in on all this too.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
You just never know if she is.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I just I don't know, Like even if your husband
that you loved one, nothing with them, nothing with them,
I would I would not put anything.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Past them, honestly.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
But these things are expensive. They range from eighty to
twenty thousand dollars. I'm sure customizable ones are a little priceier,
especially if you wanted to look exactly like your ex wife.
Didn't we talk about that on Amazon that you can
get like a really good one for twelve hundred bucks
or something. They sell them when at remember what happened
that I was found on the beach the person thought

(18:28):
it was a dead body.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
No, yeah, totally, So I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think this is like taking your sex addiction to
the next level, and it's absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Just it's very violating.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Do you know? Sex addiction isn't really considered a true
addiction as far as it's not in the DSM five
book as of right now. For a mental health disorder,
I guess it's still considered an addiction, but it's not.
It's not formally called a mental health condition at this point,
even though it's estimated that three to ten percent of

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the population suffer with it. Why do you think that is, though,
Because I feel like it's been widely known for a
long time and there's treatment for it, Like you could
go to rehab for that, you can, and you could
take medications and all this stuff, But like, who's doing
that unless they're like this.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Guy that's hit absolute rock bottom? You know, I have
no idea.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's probably kind of embarrassing to talk about. You know.
One of the things they use to describe it is
that you have uncontrollable sexual desires and stuff, which I
don't necessarily believe the uncontrollable part, because there's so many
things in your life. I guess you could put for that,
for spending money and eating food and everything, and you

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can control it, you just don't. You just don't choose to.
But it's not that, it's not that you literally cannot
control it, you know what I mean. Well, I don't
think he's embarrassed about this. I mean he's the one
like clearly around with the camera and footage and ordering
the doll and shamelessly saying he wants it to look
like his ex wife. It seems very that this seems

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like a crisis that you're like publicly doing that is
just like he's just kind of off. Okay, freak accidents.
So at this hotel in Thailand, staff had seen this
extremely intoxicated man go into his hotel room.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
They were hearing grunting and some.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Banging noises for a little bit, but just blew it
off thinking he was really drunk. So below the hotel,
on the ground floor, there was this internet cafe, which
I didn't know still existed, but I guess people went
to it to play video games and stuff.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
A bunch of people.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Were in there hanging out when suddenly this guy's legs
burst through the ceiling. So they call the cops because
this man is dangling from the ceiling, and as emergency
responders are getting him out of the ceiling, they realize
he's also covered in poop. Yeah, all the people in
the cafe said that there was just this really horrible

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odor that filled up the room when he came through,
and when they went up into his hotel room, they
saw that there was smeared poop all over the place,
Like what this is really the weirdest part of this
is that it said that they went in his room
and it says, quote, we have some ideas about what
he was doing in the room to make it so dirty,

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but there was nothing illegal in his private This is
his private life. So we'll have him speak to the
hotel to negotiate the bill. Like what could he have
been doing that they have some ideas about with a
lot of poop?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Listen, I don't.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Look really, I'm trying to see, like what was he
doing with it?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
And it?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
So he was this fifty one year old British tourist
that was visiting Thailand. So he had been there since September,
so about like, I feel like this incident happened a
couple of weeks ago, so he's there for almost you know,
one to two months he's visiting this hotel. Was this
happening every day? Was it a build up of poop?
Was it one day where he was smearing it everywhere?

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Like what happened? Well?

Speaker 1 (21:57):
I think that it probably was multiple days, because it's
either because you only poop so much in a day
unless you have diarrhea, which could be caused by an infection,
which then all of the people that were around this
poop dripping from the ceiling, and ems workers and all
that should and cops that had to touch him and
put him in the ambulance should all be worried that

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they were exposed to some kind of a virus or
a bacteria. Right, But it's more than likely that he
it was multiple days of poop with the amount of
poop that was present all over his body and all
over his room, And.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's just absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
It really because it doesn't look like diarrhea, like it
looks like smeared turds.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
I mean, it's so gross.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I really don't think people are you know, you're reading
the story and you're like, this is outrageous, sucks for
the people in the cafe, but are you not thinking
about the poor vergency worker that had to get this
guy out and go in the room. No, and just
like again, all of them are such heroes, just like
there's nothing that cannot happen. They just you're showing up

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to a scene of a guy who fell through the ceiling, thinking,
oh my god, it Taurus is hurt, let's go try
to help them, and come to this of a naked
person covered in poop like he's just you just don't
know what you're walking into every day, and it just
is ever changing and anything is a possibility. I'm also like,
how how did he break through the ceiling? Was he jumping?

(23:23):
He must have been jumping repeatedly or hitting the ground
to break the floor. I just get possibly fathom. What
was nothing to see here?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Just pay the bill, right.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, exactly, Like no criminal charges or any I guess
you can't get criminal charges. They said he wasn't doing
anything legal. It's just very This is one of the
weirdest stories except for Ed all right, but let's get
onto this next one, which I find is truly emblematic
of the American healthcare iss.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
In Oregon.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
This man was riding his bike and he said, as
he approached this intersection. Going downhill, this ambulance made a
sudden turn, which then caused the on the bike to
crash into the side of the ambulance. So after the crash,
the workers inside of the ambulance were giving him medical attention,
treating him, and they had to bring him to the
hospital because his injuries were not like really severe, but

(24:12):
they're bad enough he had to be evaluated, and then
after he got released to the hospital, they seriously sent
him a medical bill for the ambulance. Well, so I
was reading this thinking, Okay, what's the story here, because
you really shouldn't be riding that close to an ambulance.
I guess if they were in route, but it doesn't
seem like they were. It seems like they were driving

(24:34):
pretty slow. I know the driver of the ambulance maybe
just decided they almost missed a turn or something and
made a sudden turn without having on a turning signal
and any preparation for the bike rider.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
It's just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
There's lots of different laws that people who ride bikes
should follow, and I don't know if this guy was
breaking any of the rules. Are you supposed to ride
up the right hand side of any kind of vehicle
that they would not because they should, in theory, be
able to see them out the mirror, right, Yeah, and
it's a true he said, she said, situation about whether

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the ambulance turned on their turning signal and whether they
you know, like the guy said, they turned really abruptly,
but the ambulance is saying they were only going five
miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
So I don't I don't know what was going on.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I mean, whatever happened, it's just it's just kind
of a little tacky shit. Yeah, I mean, even if
the guy was at fault, it's just like, come on, dude,
that you don't really know and I don't know. Yeah,
I mean, this guy not only gets approximately fifty thousand
dollars in medical bills from the hospital's day, but then
they get an eighteen hundred dollars bill from the ambulance ride,
which was the ambulance that you know, you crashed into

(25:47):
because maybe their fault, so that this is my only
thing though, Okay, that happened, right, Okay, it's it's douchey whatever.
But now he's seeking nine hundred thousand dollars if for
in compensation, Like where where does that figure come from.
Who comes up, like any lawyers? That's like almost a
million dollars? Like why why do you it was? It

(26:08):
just seems like it was an accident. Any no one
was drunk, nobody, you know, any lawyers please chime in?
Like who comes up with these settlement figures? Is it
like a rough calculation of what your legal fees plus
medical bill would be to cover it?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
It seems astronomical, it really does. Can say, like he
listed out all of his his costs so far, even
including the ambulance that he got charged for. It's just nowhere.
It's not even is it even one hundred thousand dollars?
Of course, it's like around fifty grand. But then I
guess you have to account for legal fees, And yeah,

(26:45):
I do understand. Sometimes like let's say, for example, he
was a professional bicycle.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Rider or whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
He competed in professional sports and then he could not
ride his bike anymore, and they estimated he would make
you know, he has nine yours worth of work left
in him and he's supposed to make one hundred thousand
dollars a year. Like that's how they come up with
figures like that. But it doesn't seem like he would
had any kind of permanent injuries, especially because he was
going three miles an hour and the ambulance bus was

(27:15):
going five miles an hour. But I mean, you can't say,
however he hit. I don't did they even see how
old a guy is? I don't, Yeah, I don't think
it's yeah, I don't remember. Like what if he's like
seventy five, I don't know. He was probably around your
like from photos, I'm going to say he looked to
be a little older than you were around your age.

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So remember earlier this year we reported on that twelve
year old boy that was found dead at that North
Carolina camp. Yeah, so we have an update, which is
pretty rare for here. But basically I'm confused because when

(29:10):
we were reporting on it over the last year, the
medical examiner had originally determined that the boy had died
due to homicide, and now the DA is not pressing
criminal charges against the camp.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
So the story is is that what what is this camp?
It's it's for it's for like bad misbehaved children. Yeah,
I believe it's one of those like child reform camps,
one of those ones that infamously Paraceltan was sent to
where your kids go there and it's just as like crazy,
you know, they they sleep there. They just really strict

(29:44):
there with the rules. But most of these camps end
up being.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Extremely abusive towards children.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Well, and I think that this is this is not so.
I guess they have the kids sleep in these these
sleeping bags what are they called Bibby's Bibby's right, And
normally they have over the opening of the face this
mesh zipper area where they put alarms on it so
if the children try to escape during the night, they're

(30:09):
alerted to it. And on this child's particular, VIVI, it
was ripped, so they replaced it with the one that
you would cover the face with that's opegue, like the
weather proof covering or something. And they said that they
were not able to see the child through this anymore.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
They couldn't actually see a space.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
And they said that he stopped moving around one o'clock
in the morning, but then at eight in the morning
police recalled that he was not responsive, Like how I
just don't understand. So he died from smothering from asphyxia
and that's still his cause of death. And you said
earlier that the medical examiner ruled that a homicide is

(30:52):
the manner of death, which makes sense because how else
how would have done it himself?

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Right if he was zipped into a sleeping bag.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
So now I don't know, after their investigation, they're saying
that it's now changed to accidental instead of homicide.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I just don't understand why. Well, I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Understand either, because originally after this happened, all these really
weird details were coming out about that day and it
wasn't the first instance, like I believe.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
An older child had run away.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm not sure if they died originally, but there was
other cases of incidents at this particular camp, and then
after the death of this child, the state had gone
in removed all the children and revoked their license. So
now they're saying, quote, the investigation revealed that his death
was the result of suffocation, while tragic, did not involve
criminal intent or recklessness sufficient to warrant criminal charges for

(31:43):
involuntary manslaughter under the law.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I'm very confused by this.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, but then nobody will talk to the press for
any kind of statements.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Explaining it so well.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't know how it could possibly change unless the
original story we got was incorrect. But remember they weren't
cooperating as well when it first happened. I just think
this is very weird.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
It is.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
It pisses me off too, because the kid didn't deserve this,
you know, No, he didn't deserve it, especially if he
was a troubled child. He goes there, it was very
I feel like it was less than twenty four hours
after it got dropped off there, so he barely had
time to adjust for this. I don't understand. They weren't
following protocol, so I don't understand why nobody's being held
accountable for that.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
I have no idea. It's very it's just very weird.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
And I it was originally deemed to be a homicide
because of the initial investigation, so I don't know why
they're changing it now, like what other additional information they got.
But maybe they'll come out with more information that we
can let you guys know about.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
It's it's really disturbing. I just hope this boy gets justice,
you know. So let's move on to the Delphie murder.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Speaking of Justice.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
So we have been following this case as closely as
some other high profile cases like the Idaho murders. So
we're going to briefly surmise this case for everybody, but
we know there are many, many, many details, and there
are many slews on this case. Yeah, and if you're interested,
I could tell you that Nancy Grace covers it all
the time, Cheryl McCollum called on her podcast Zone seven.

(33:21):
Joseph Scott Morgan covers it on his podcast called Body Bags.
So if you guys are interested in this case and
what we're about to say, then please listen to them
because they have hours of episodes of all the details.
For the purpose of our show, we're going to keep
it brief because there is a lot going on in

(33:41):
this case. So basically, in February of twenty seventeen, these
two teenage girls went on a hike and their bodies
were found in a wooded area the next day with
their throats cut. This guy, whose name is Richard Allen,
was not arrested until October of twenty twenty two, when
a volunteer came across police paperwork that he had gone
to police too. Two days after the bodies were found

(34:01):
and let them know that he was on the same trail.
I don't know at that time why they didn't consider
him a suspect. I'm sure Cheryl Nancy Josephovall governed that,
but he did not get arrested till twenty twenty two.
So it's relevant now because he has been on trial
for the past couple of weeks. The jury was sequestered,
which would be my absolute worst night Mary being sequested,

(34:23):
but at least the trial was not a full month long.
All I could think about is Ojy and how long
they were sequestered. But basically, he's been found guilty of
the two murders. I don't really I haven't really followed
this case, but one of the most striking things about
this case was the girls at some point had videoed

(34:45):
the person that was walking behind them across this bridge,
and so they have not a super clear picture.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
It's kind of a.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Grainy photo or video, but they have video footage of
this person of int that was at the scene right
around the time that they disappeared and were murdered.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
And there were.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Also other things that I guess once he got arrested,
he was kind of put in solitary confinement, and he
confessed to some of these crimes or he said something
about it that implied that he done it. And there
was a lot of testimony that during the trial that
he was under such psychological distress that he was saying

(35:29):
things that he didn't mean or whatever. And then another
interesting part was that the psychologist who went into the
jail to interview him, they called her out during the
court case and said, you know, weren't you following this case,
and she admitted that she had been following this case
and she was a fan of true crime, So she's

(35:52):
maybe one of these people that are really watching this case.
So there's, like I said, I don't really cover it.
I'm just re I'm reading tidbits for the for the
past couple of years about this. And there's one field
of people that are just that this is one hundred
percent he killed, and then the other ones are saying
that he's innocent. And the reason that they're saying that

(36:14):
he's innocent is because they don't have any real it's
it's all circumstantial. They don't have DNA apparently, yeah, they
have nothing physical tying him to this case. So they
did they did find this bullet that was on the ground.
It wasn't used in the murders, but it was found
on the ground, and they were trying to say that

(36:35):
they were able to link it to his weapon, but
then they kind of went back and forth as to
if that was one hundred percent the case. So, yeah,
they don't have any DNA or fingerprints or actually any witnesses.
But I mean, that video is technically a witness if
they're able to prove that that's indeed him in the video,
But I guess that would still not even prove that

(36:58):
he killed them. But I think that all the circumstantial
evidence is pretty strong. Yeah, this has just been a
very controversial case. It's been covered a lot. I'm definitely
going to look into it more now. We just have
not been following you as closely as we know a
lot of these guys have been so the patient. I
know there's like a lot of critical details that we
didn't cover, but for the purpose of our show, we

(37:20):
just wanted to say he had been convicted. He was
found guilty of two counts of murder and two additional
counts of murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping,
So it's very disturbing. His sentencing is set to take
place next month and we will go from there. You know,
one of the things that he did say when he
was being interviewed in jail by the psychiatrist or the psychologist,

(37:42):
was that he had said that he when he was
admitting to the murders and stuff, which they were trying
to say that he falsely admitted to her whatever. He
said that he was going to sectually assault the girls,
and he said that he didn't because there was a
van that had driven by And apparently there's no that
information wasn't leaked to the press that there was a

(38:05):
person that lived by that had a ban that drove
by that area around the same time, but that was
in the police record.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah, he's that guy.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Said he was coming home from work around that same time,
so it all linked up. But they said that was
only information.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Kat would he have known that, you know?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah, there was something too about the clothes he was
wearing that day. There's just like a lot of different things.
But yeah, so I don't really have an opinion on
it either way because I didn't listen to any of
the case, but I do know a lot of true
crime people are happy about this. Yeah, And I do
find it really interesting when somebody's convicted primarily off of
circumstantial evidence, and especially in today's day and age with DNA. Right,

(38:40):
It's just I'm sure it happens a lot, but I
am always surprised by it anymore. Okay, medical news, a
new study has come out revealing that gen Z is
afraid to poop at work?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Is I plant?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Everybody was afraid to poop at work?

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Is that? Is that just specific to gen Z?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
They had a higher percentage of being afraid than I
guess other generations.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
But like, if you gotta go, you gotta go. And
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
There is what how old is gen Z? That's a
generation below me? So I think that the last year
of being a millennial is ninety seven. So it's like
ninety eight until maybe twenty ten. Okay, yeah, like around
that area, I don't know. A lot of them said
that they had issues because there was a lack of privacy,
noise smell. It's called a courtesy flush, sweetheart, So you

(39:32):
can't be giving yourself medical issues. This is the most
genius advice I will ever give anyone. It's just like
as the Pope is coming out of your butt, flush
to toilet, Like it doesn't smell if you just do that,
people let it sit and linger in the toilet is
when it smells. It's just like the most simple thing ever.
You don't need to be spraying stuff or whatever.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I can't even believe this thing that they're saying forty
over forty percent of women will not.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Poop at work. Well, like, really, that's so weird. We
have two.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Members and our immediate family that I will not call
out by name is to not embarrass them that refuse
the courtesy flush. And it's so annoying to me because
it's like.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It is, it's it's it's rude, and it's just gross.
They're chronic poopers.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
And it's not fair to everybody around you, especially like
somebody like myself that lives in a one bathroom household.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
So hint.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
But they're they're sighting that they have fear of, Like
one of them is so crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
They say lack of privacy.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Okay, I get that, and and really it's just so
much better if at your job, like I've always been
blessed at some of my jobs that there's like some
toilet at some part you might have to walk down
another floor or something, but it's a toilet that you
could walk in and shut the door behind you, like whatever.
They're called a private bathroom or a single toilet. But

(40:54):
so I understand if you're in a situation like you
are at school, or that you're in a laboratory situation
with stalls set up next to each other. But they're
saying that one of their concerns is fear of coworker's judgment.
Every single human being shits, yeah, but like why it's
not like you're the only one that shits or what like,

(41:16):
it just doesn't even make any sense to me, Like everybody.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Is doing that at some point because we.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
All have that coworker that does it courtesy flush and
then it does spell it and you're like, Carol, if
you just courtesy shit, but seriously, even if you don't, though,
like everybody's poop smells like it's just it's just kind
of like, why don't we just move on? And why
is it that everybody is totally comfortable peeing in front

(41:42):
of their co workers, which makes the noise and it's
a bodily function or burping. Why is it specific to
poop that people get weirded out? It just doesn't make
any sense. There's a lot of poop shame going on
in this culture. Well whatever, Yeah, so we want to
know if you guys poop at work. I mean Maria
would obviously because she usually only works at my house. Well,

(42:05):
that's like I've never listened, like if you hold in
your poop, you get belly aches all day, Like why
would you personally suffer because you don't want somebody else
to know you're pooping.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
It's just so ridiculous to me. I just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I could see certain situations where like you're like, I
don't want to be that person in this place. But
if you're working in the same office every day, you
can't just not shit at work every single day. It's
just not realistic. This is just part of that whole
thing I'm always saying, like gen Z, just you know,
you're just not that important, Like nobody gives us a

(42:40):
shit that you're pooping in the bathroom, Like get over yourself. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's specific, I'm telling you, And if
you're wearing that's why, Like it goes across all different things,
and if we have another story coming up too that
is specific to that too. And if you're wearried, just
createsy flush because it answers all the problems or Carrie,
you know, they make products. Well maybe we could get

(43:02):
maybe we get a little sponsorship with one of these.
But okay, this next one, this story is really funny
to be So, a couple of years ago, this chick
broke up with her boyfriend, saying that she wanted to
stay friends. In classic gen z, she was overwhelmed with life.
So the next day he got a really bad concussion
in a ski accident. At the hospital, he called her,

(43:23):
he asked her to pick her up afterwards. He was
always asking her to hang out, checking out on her,
bringing ice cream when she had a bad day. She
thought he was just you know, being really respectful of
the fact that she wanted to stay friends. And it
turned out that he ended up becoming this like, really
amazing guy in her eyes. So a couple of weeks later,
she goes on vacation, she's like, you know, he's really

(43:44):
turned around and I'm really starting to like him. That
Gabby hid his head and knocks some sense into him. Yeah,
So I'm gonna see if he wants to get back together.
So she gets back from her vacation and goes to
him and it's like, I'm a little embarrassed to ask
you this, but I would like to get back together.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
And he goes, I didn't even know we broke up
because he.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Remember, like a typical man thing, like they didn't He
didn't even notice that they were like broken up for
all this time, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I just thought that was funny, but this would be
gave one hundred percent, like oh, like.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
What what change seth? He didn't even know they broke up.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
So then thank god he didn't take it badly, so
they were able to like laugh through it. They started
dating again, and then they got married a couple months later.
This reminded me of you were a baby when this happened.
But momm got in a pretty bad car accident once
she was she was crossing the street and she got
tee boned or something.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
But she had to go to the hospital.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
And when she came home from the hospital.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
She she looked in.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
The backyard and she was like, when did we get
rid of our pool? And we had gotten rid of
it like months before that, it just it, you know,
it was just an above ground pool, but it was gone.
And then that kind of freaked us out because we're like,
what are you talking about, mom, Like that hasn't been
here for a while. And it's called post traumatic amnesia.

(45:05):
It's something that could happen. And sometimes I think with
momm she eventually did remember it, So it could happen,
and it could only be a few hours, but sometimes
it could take people weeks or months, and then sometimes
people just never get a portion of their memory back
if the brain injury.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Was bad enough.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
There is this like like I wonder if he's starting
to remember that she was kind of a bitch, and
like you know what I mean. There is this like
notebook level sad movie about this. I think it's the
same author called The Vow and the Girl. They get
this married couple gets in a car accident and the
wife gets amnesia and doesn't even remember they're married. She

(45:48):
doesn't even remember meeting him. And she also was this
like artist that got this really huge art deal at
some like like making statues at this museum or something.
So she gets to abneesia. So the husband goes to
get her from the hospital. She literally has no memory
at all of him.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Even existing in her life.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
They had been together for like eight years, and then
she doesn't know how to be an artist anymore because
everything she taught herself like went out the window. So
then the movie said because then, like, I guess he's
trying to like date her again and she just can't
accept that, you know, they were even married.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
I don't know why you watched it like that. I
don't about it while you were sleeping. Oh yeah that movie.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I love that, babe. Yeah, I love that movie. I
feel like I should watch that with the kids.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
They might like that.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
It's a good wind. Is it a Christmas movie or
it's just wintery?

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Kind of maybe, yeah, maybe it's an Yeah, I'm gonna
watch that with the kids. So this when when Gabe's
not around, Yeah, that'll be cute.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
That's a good movie.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
But yeah, I just found this story a little funny.
I thought, at first reading the headline that he broke
up with her, and then he forgot he broke up
with her, and then she was like, no, we never
broke up. Well, yeah, I love it. Does he even
have any clue that like people magazine are writing a
story about this and stuff or he's just kind of like, what,

(47:06):
I don't even know we broke up.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I don't know. It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
But all right, let's get onto this story, which I
find incredibly disgusting.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
So the Guinness World.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Record holder for the world's longest fingernails finally cut them
down after growing them out for twenty nine years. Yeah,
and in the article it said that they were twenty
four feet long, and I'm like, they were definitely not
twenty four feet long. I would say twenty four inches long.
Think twenty four feet is like a couple story building.

(47:36):
That's just that's out where you just how but they're
they're long, and listen, I could grow mine out that
long too if I really wanted to. It's just I
don't want to grow them any longer. But like, if
you just keep getting acrylic late on top of them,
they'll grow. I can't imagine that she hasn't she didn't
break one all this time. There's there's just no way

(47:57):
that she hasn't broke one. But I guess since she
walks around with them that long. I just think it
was a little bit dramatic how they cut it off.
It was like a special dermatologist. You needed to use
a specialized circular salt to cut them off. And it's
like why they're essentially like cutting a piece of wood.
At this point, they're not anywhere near attached to her body.
She doesn't have feeling in them. Just like, stop the drama.

(48:19):
It could have just been you could have used a
de wault tool, like you know what I mean, it's
just so ridiculous, or like the little dremal thing. There's
three things in this world that really make me want
to throw up. Number one is buggers. Number two is
men that wear flip flops in public. For three, No,
it's not big any time. I don't ever want to

(48:41):
see men's feet, just bottom line, unless they're like at
the beach, because they're always really white and hairy, like
they don't like, yes, it doesn't match their skin color.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Ever.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
And I'm gonna tell you this, gabes tonawls are always
purple because because he just works a lot, and his
toes hit his shoes all the time and they're always
black and blue, which just makes them even grosser, like
and his feet are so white and they're just they're
like my skin color compared to his face skin collar.
It just it just looks terrible. But let me tell

(49:19):
you a nasty fingernail story. And Annette's gonna appreciate this
if she's listening. So we were working together at the hospital,
and then Annette started working in the lab with me
and took over for some person that was there for.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
A really long time.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
And when Annette was cleaning out the drawers and stuff
to put her stuff in there, she opened the little
skinny drawer like right underneath of your waist where you
would put like paper clips and pens and stuff, and
the whole drawer was filled with fingernails. Like the person
that was working there was cutting their nails and like
saving them in this drawer forever. There was just so

(49:54):
many of them. It just wasn't a one time thing.
It was so gross. And she was like, eh, and
like we're in a li that has colon's full of
shit and body parts everywhere, and Annette like almost.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Lost it because she was so grossed out.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Honestly, cut fingernails don't even bother me that bad. It's
like when you look over and somebody has really long,
natural fingernails and they're like dirty. Ooh, I just yeah,
especially too the men with the long nails bothers me.
But so if you're not bothered by cut nails. They
actually took her nails off and they're now at display

(50:29):
at Ripley's believe it or not, in Orlando. How do
you wipe? I have many questions. How was she even
just doing day to day task with them long? I
just saw a video of a girl that has no
arms doing her hair, Like you adapt when you don't
have access to a body part, like, I'm just putting
it out there. We talked about remember the girl that

(50:50):
was in our book that lost her arm in the
car accident that was able to tie her shoes, Like, yeah,
go try and tie your shoes.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
With one hand.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
It's impossible, right, But then when you don't have another arm,
you adapt to it.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
That's what happens.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
She just she figured out a way to wipe her
ass with with the nowls. I don't know how. Maybe
she'll come out with a book because it is a
question that everyone wants to know.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I guess go see him in the museum. I do
not want to see you, I want to see them.
I would take a picture of them if I saw
them disgusting. All right, let's get into another annoying another,
another annoying JA and gen Z's tour. A waitress in
Scotland has recently shared on TikTok that she shared a
video of her refilling ketchup bottles at her job, which
is something like everybody that works in a restaurant has

(51:34):
to do every single day, not even just filling bottles,
you just have to interact with ketchup so much. Would
she captured the video worst day of her life because
apparently she is a phobia of ketchup. You can't work
in a restaurant if you have a phobia of ketchup.
Like I eat ketchup regularly and I like it, but
there is a point where you're working with it and
then it dries on, you know, your like jeans at work,

(51:55):
and like it's just disgusting to work within a restaurant setting.
But like, get over yourself. This is this is so
not a problem. Like, let me explain the gen Z
theory again. This is the worst day of your life
filling ketchup bottles, Like you have no problems, this is
just the created problem.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
You're not afraid of ketch up.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Well attributes it to a childhood trauma of her sister
squirting ketchup on her.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
I just don't think that that's childhood trauma. Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
There are people that like actually are abused, that have
childhood trauma, and stuff like this makes it like even
trying to relate it is just it's it's insulting, and
it's it's comical. Honestly, as a person with the needle phobia,
I can say that if I if you really have
a phobia of something and you're not getting like exposure therapy,

(52:46):
you taking videos of it, you don't really have a
phobia because you're able to interact with it. Like you
don't see me taking a bunch of tiktoks with, you know,
holding syringes like cause I can't even look at them.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
They make me.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I guess I have a fourth thing that makes you
a throw up, which is it's foot I don't know.
I just think this is so ridiculous, and these people
are going on TikTok and just doing stuff for attention.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Like I'm a spheres of other dips.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
This like Mann is a man at us for even
covering this story. I think no word needs to know
that this is what's happening right now, that the worst
day of someone's life is touching ketchup. Yeah, I mean
is if that's a joke, then that's funny. I'll say
stuff like that too, you know, as a joke. But
I don't think she's joking. Actually, you know, it's a
real phobia men wearing woos. But they're and they're so

(53:35):
they interviewed some person that that treats people with eating disorders.
I don't even I don't think that they were considering this,
but they were saying that she should try to further
expose herself or reframe her perception in order to make
it less frightening.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Just like the word frightening.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Like we're we're talking about ketchup. But if you weren't
called that knife point as a child, like you're scared
of ketchup? Pal is, Like what listen, she scared of
pizza or it's just specifically ketch up. I'd be even
more inclined to give into the phobia of ketchup if
she wasn't taking videos of her dealing with ketchup. Like
if you have a real phobia of something, you can't

(54:14):
just so casually interact with it like that. I just
think it's ridiculous. Okay, other death news. So in Oklahoma,
this woman's thirty eight year old daughter was missing for
over a year and then suddenly one day police called
the mother and said that the daughter had been in
a car accident and had died. So, while she was devastated,
she at least found some relief in knowing what happened

(54:36):
to her daughter and thought that maybe this could be,
you know, the beginning of getting some closure for her.
So she goes to them more to idea the body,
but it's not her daughter. Yeah, And the worst part
is is that the medical examiner kept saying, like, look
at her face. She has the same face, and she
was like, it's not my daughter. She doesn't look like
my daughter, and she doesn't have a tattoo, which is

(54:58):
really proof. Somehow she was a to convince them to
do a DNA testing on her, and sure enough, it
was not her daughter. How I don't understand how she
could be identified as this woman's daughter.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I'm just really confused by it.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I don't know what happened because I don't know what
They must have a list of missing people or something.
I'm not exactly sure how they determined, because they really
shouldn't just be guessing that someone is a dead person
based upon how they look. I don't even know how
her daughter's name came up. I guess that's what you're

(55:36):
asking unless there could be a way that this person
that was found dead had an idea on them that
wasn't theirs or something. I'm not really sure how they
even led to that name. I don't know what the
process is, but they told her to come look at
the body and identify her daughter, and she waited a

(55:58):
whole entire week. Could you imagine the anxiety you would
have just mentally preparing yourself for that and thinking that,
and showing up and seeing a dead person lay in
front of you, and just all of the emotions. You
might almost believe that it wasn't really happening, and they couldn't,
you know. I'm sure the medical examiner deals with that
a lot, that people just can't believe that their loved

(56:22):
one is that. I was gonna say that, like and
a lot of times when people die they look very
very different than they do in life. But it's your daughter,
for Christ's sakes, Like you know their body inside and out,
you know.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Like it's just it.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
And now think about how traumatized she is again, I mean,
it's just it's it's really it's just unacceptable. But basically,
if she didn't have a family member to really push
that that wasn't her, they would have buried another person
under that identity, and then the other family would have
never gotten closure. Well, and then you have to wonder

(56:57):
if this is this is not the first time it happened.
It sucks to even say that out loud, but something
was very sloppy here.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I don't even understand how they got the girl's name
to begin with.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, I'm very confused about that.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Now. It's like the mom had to go through, you know,
she's has this lingering anxiety for over a year that
the daughter's missing, and then you go through that process
of thinking your daughter's dead and then she's you know,
it's the daughter on drugs or something like where they
didn't specify why she was missing. But yeah, basically when
she went missing, a police report was filed, so I
guess that's how they knew to contact the mom. And

(57:34):
like you're saying, they might have had a list of
missing people, and she looked similar to the like the
missing person books. I mean, does everything I've ever been
around and learned that just is like not the way
things are done, you know. So well, now the mom
is like, is my daughter still alive and out there?
And now it's like, course, at least, you know, you
don't want to think something horrible happened, like your kid died,

(57:57):
but at least if you're going through something like this,
you have some type of answers. And now it's just
reopened it so like, I feel horrible that this lady
had to go through this for nothing. Me too, Yeah,
it's for nothing. Totally unacceptable. All right, let's move on
to questions of the day. So every Friday on the
at mother nos Death Instagram account, we put a question
box up in the story and you guys can ask.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
First, how hard was it to get into college with
the GED instead of a high school diploma?

Speaker 3 (58:25):
It was very easy, actually, And then'shoos secrets?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I just because that whole entire system is just complete
bullshit and you could bypass all of it. You know,
I dropped out of high school when I was sixteen.
I took my ged the day after I dropped out,
and then I signed up for community college like two years,
two or three years later, and I just had I

(58:50):
just signed up and went to college, and then I
was able to transfer to the universities that I went to.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
It was that simple. It's a high school.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
It's it counts the same as a high school diploma.
Maybe if I did that, I might not have been
able to get into Jefferson or Drexel right away. I
wouldn't have been as competitive a of a applicant. But
the way that I did it, it.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
None of that mattered.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I never took SATs, I never took a language, I
never did any I barely went to high school. There's
just ways around it, that's all I could say. And
I went to college and was an excellent student in college.
Just you don't have to, you know. I also didn't
try to go to Harvard. And if that's something you're

(59:37):
trying to do, they probably frown upon having a G date, right,
But well, if you do it the traditional way, I
just don't. I don't see why everyone makes such a
big deal out of all that.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
There's just a million other ways.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
And we could say the same exact thing about my
husband too, Like he didn't. He was never on an
academic track and he did graduate high school, but barely so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
And now he's a doctor. And now he's a doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Although speaking of that, yesterday he beat Luccia. We were
out to dinner, and he beat Lucia at the word search.
He got all the words really fast, and he.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Was like, yeah, look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
I got this done in like five seconds, and you're
still doing yours and stuff. And I was like, okay,
well she's ten. And I was like, she's ten and
you're a doctor. So I was like, that's actually kind
of pathetic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
But yeah, all right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Are people awakening in their casket after being buried a thing?
I read graves she used to have bells on them.
I've never experienced that. Well, I don't even deal with
the casket situation because that's the funeral home. But I've
never dealt with anybody being alive in the morgue. Still,
but we've certainly talked about cases on mother nos death

(01:00:50):
of that happening.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
There was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
The one what was it that she woke up right
before she got cremated. Yeah, that was hard. There was
another one where someone woke up in the morgue. They
were in the body bag. I mean, this has happened
a couple a couple times. Usually it's in other No
one of them happened in this country, I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
But it it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I don't even want to think that someone could get
all the way to a cascade, because there's a lot
when you die. You're either at a house where you're
at the hospital, and then they have to transport you
and you go in the car and you move around,
and you go in the fridge, you go back to
the funeral home and another fridge. There's a lot of
steps and a lot of hours, and you would hope
by that point that they would, you know, that they

(01:01:38):
would realize that a person was alive. But well, I
feel like they used to put bells in graves in
like the eighteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
This is something This seems right up my alley. I
like historical posts like this, So I'm going to look
this up and write about it because now I'm intrigued
that I need to know. But I've definitely heard of
this in history. Yeah they don't do that now, no?
Or yeah, I mean this in this day and age,
it is assumed that when you are buried that you
are really dead. So yeah, I think, you know, back

(01:02:09):
in the day, it used to be probably more common
to you know, bury somebody that wasn't actually dead. But now,
with all the medical advancements we have, I would consider
that to be quite rare. So yeah, which is why
they turned into news articles that we eventually cover. Yeah,
because it is really shocking and people are scared to
death of stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Right, Yeah, All.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Right, last, Maria, I know you and your mom are closed,
but did you ever hide anything from.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Her when you were a teenager?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
I mean not really like I hid the first time
I smoked weed, but I think I was a pretty
good ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Wait, didn't you tell Gabe?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Though? I didn't tell Gabe. I came home and he
knew because oh yeah, that's right. He I could tell
because I walked in the kitchen and he was just
looking at me. And I'm not good at lying or anything,
so he just made like the you know, the Gabe
eye contact with me, and then I just down and
walk the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
I was like, but then you told me, Like, didn't
you tell me? I don't know what made you tell
you wed me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I know exactly the day I told you, like a year,
like six months to a year later, you were getting
tattooed by Josh Hoffman and he asked if I had
first spoke to me, and I was like yeah, because
I was like, this is the perfect time to just
get it out, because I knew you wouldn't yell at.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Me in front of him. I was like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
And then in the car, you were like, I don't
understand why you didn't tell me, and I'm like, well,
I thought I was going to get in trouble and
now you know, so what's the difference. You were also
like seventeen or something. Yeah, you were pretty old as established.
I'm a rule follower, so I didn't I would consider
myself to be a pretty good teenager.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I don't know if you agree, but I think it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
I think it probably upset Maria for six months hiding
a secret for me more than than it did when
I when I found out, I was just kind of like, okay, whatever,
I would say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
I was actually more pissed when you got a tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
And didn't me, because you went to a horrible person
like you just you're in a family of people that
were friends with some of the best tattoo artists in
the world, and you just went to some shitty place.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Well, I was being young.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
And stupid and I went to like this shop in
Brooklyn and it was just a horrible experience. So like whatever,
the past is the past, we're the I understand I
have some really horrible tattoos, but I consider the ones
that most people see, which are the ones on my arms,
are pretty okay. So yeah, but I, I mean, there's

(01:04:36):
no point of keeping secret, Like I wasn't doing anything
bad ever, you know, so there's no few high stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah you aren't. You had a lot of trust in me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
I mean, for you know, a sixteen seventeen year old kids,
Like on a Friday Saturday night, I would just order
Chinese food and watch.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
TV like I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I I've always been lame, is what I'm getting. I
wasn't doing anything bad. I never really did anything bad,
like you know, Yeah, I only got like really drunk,
like three. I didn't even drink until I was twenty one.
So I'm a loser right there. As well as bloucha
threw up this weekend. I didn't I don't even know
if I told you I think she had. It started

(01:05:15):
with her hat. She is on medication that makes her
bleed easy, and she was on her iPad with her
friend and dropped the iPad on her nose, and her
nose started the pouring blood situation, which happens to her sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Yeah, and the drama.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
You know. I was on the front porch watering the
plants and of course gave ran to the rescue again
in that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
But yeah, so so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
She she had a really bad bloody nose, and I
guess all the blood going down her throat and stuff
irritated her stomach and she threw up like right after that, right,
and she was just like, oh my god, that was
so horrible. I hate Like she kept going on and
on and I was like, well, that's what it feels
like when you drink alcohol.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
So you don't want to do that, do you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
She was like no, never, And I'm like, yeah, we'll
be revisiting this at some point. But it's about knowing
your limits. Like I don't have ever anymore, Like it's
rare if I have more than one drink, and if
I order a second drink, I usually only drink half
of it, and I have to drink it way early
in the day so I can break it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Down before I lay down.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Yeah, I'm a real good time to hang out with
us without getting I'm even more of a good time
because I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
I'll just have sparkling water.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, exactly. All right, guys, well, thank you so much.
If you have a shocking story, please submit it to
stories at moothernosdeath dot com and we will see you
later in the week.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
So yeah, I have a good day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and if not diagnosed or
treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of a
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(01:07:10):
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