YouTuber Smokes Dead Father, Plane Lice, Kayaker Fake Death Update, Surgeon Lets Teen Operate on Patient, Winter Penis, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,
welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have so many juicy
stories for you this week, so let's get started with
the story of the day. So this first story is

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a little surprising to me because it's about this cold
weather related, you know, phenomenon that certain men are experiencing.
But we have yet to really see any glimpse of
winter where we live. Yeah, it's not really It's been
pretty mild so far this year. Yeah, I mean today
is sixty degrees, which is insane to me for a
mid November day. I mean, I would expect it to
be like mid to low fifties, but I don't know.

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In other parts of the world, men are getting warned
about this thing called winter penis. So why don't you
explain what that means. I love that this is article worthy.
It's just shrinkag So remember there was an episode of
Seinfeld back in the day that was talking about shrinkage
when he went in the pool or whatever. So it's
the same kind of thing when you get cold. We

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talked about this when we were talking about frostbite or
something in a previous episode. I don't remember exactly what
case it was, but your body always wants to maintain
that warm ninety eight degrees. So when you're outside, you
start to get cold, and your body reacts by constricting
all of the blood vessels from your distal extremities, so

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your penis or not that that's considered an extremity, but
things hanging off your body, your legs, your arms, And
this way it keeps all of the warm blood closer
to your heart to keep your torso warm. Because like
I said before, you really only need your torso in
your head to survive. You certainly don't need your penis
as well. So what happens is the blood flow is

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restricted to the penis, and it could cause it to
shrink up to fifty percent, they're saying. And this is
especially a problem for men who have a rectile dysfunction
because they're having a lack of blood flow to the penis.
But don't worry. It only happens occasionally, it doesn't last long,
but certain people with the rectile this function could face
it for a longer period of time. But I have

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this video in the gross room too, which I forget
that I forget what the title of it is, but
it's one of the very first posts that I ever
did in the Grosser Room back in twenty nineteen, and
it's it's a video showing this guy who's sitting there
with his balls hanging down and then they kind of
shrink up towards the body when this person's trying to

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touch them, and it's just a very interesting The reason
that I'm saying this is because the testicles also shrink
up close to a man's body too as well when
he gets cold, because the sperm that are in there
need to say a certain temperature too, So that's just
the body's reaction of pulling get closer to the warm body.
But you could see it in this video in the

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grossroom of the balls just kind of shrinking, like moving
up towards the body. So it's really interesting. I know
guys know what that is because they have that happened
into their bodies, but I just find it interesting that
we are constantly being bombarded with these articles about all
these different things that can happen to you know, penises,
but can things like this happen to women? I mean,

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I just I feel like how it's just we just
have a total totally different anatomic setup. Our our gonads
are like the same as testicles are inside of our body,
so they're always nestled and warm, So it's just not
it's not gonna happen. Yeah, I just find it funny.
There's just always these stories about like all these things
that could happen with dudes, and it's like, Okay, we

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get it. Your precious cargo is being affected by the
cold weather. We have another penis story later today too.
Oh yeah, Okay. Celebrity news, Oh my god. Last week,
actress and writer Jenny Mullin she posted a video her
social media saying that she was on this five hour
flight and apparently in the middle of the flight, realized
she had lice. She I just cannot stand this person,

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just by reading this article and seeing the pictures. I mean,
she did a video live that she was on an
airplane sitting in first class and realized that she had LIFs. Yeah,
and then she took this like plastic bag that the
headphones that I've never sat in first class, so I
don't know if these fancy people get like headphones for
free or whatever, but apparently the headphones on the flight

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were wrapped in this plastic bag. So then she took
that plastic bag and wrapped it around, like, you know,
a quarter of her hair, saying she was trying to
protect I guess the seat from it or other people
on the planet. I don't know what her goal was.
It just seemed dramatic. And if you're not wrapping up
your whole head, what is it doing? Why would you
ever broadcast that to the world. That's just like a

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publicity stunt or something. I mean, this is the thing
is like she's getting so much backlash. People are calling
her disgusting and also a lot of people, which I
agree with there, like, if you just didn't say anything,
you wouldn't be getting criticized for it because nobody would
know about it. Do you think these celebrities are so
out of touch that they just do not realize some

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of the things they're saying. Are they purposely doing it
just to get attention? I just can't imagine anyone in
their right mind would would think that. What kind of
reaction did she think? Did she think that she was
going to get anything positive at all? Well, so at
first she didn't say I don't think she made it
quite clear that she just discovered at that point in

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time that that's when she discovered she had lice, and
she also said that her head had been itching for
two weeks, which he thought it was due to perimenopause.
I don't know if itchings related to menopause symptoms at all.
But she doubled down when she posted another video saying
she just discovered at midflight and that everybody in her
house had to get treated for it. Seven people in

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her house were treated for this, her husband and her
two sons as well. I don't know who the others
were involved, but were they treated before she got on
the flight. I don't, I think afterwards, because you know,
her follow up video was like her getting the treatment
to her hair because I was reading it, like, okay,
so I've never personally had lice, but one time one

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of my family members in my house had it. And
I think that's why people are freaking out so bad,
because it's absolutely hell in the whole entire household if
somebody gets it, because it's just this constant, revolving thing
of having it, thinking it went away. It didn't go away,
checking heads every day, throwing things out, washing things, treating things,

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and it's it's very hard to get rid of. And
I think that that's why so many people don't want
to get it, because it's not just like, oh, you
have it and you treat it and it's over with
in a day. It's kind of this cycle that is
very hard to get rid of. I don't I think
that there's this misconception that when a person has lice,

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it's they're dirty. I mean, it's it's not. I just
everybody can get it. I don't think the problem is
with people thinking she's dirty. I think the problem was
it doesn't seem like she, you know, even told the
flight attendants or anything, and didn't give them the opportunity
to try to clean her seat or the plane afterward,

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and she just kind of played it off as it's
a bummer to the person that sat in the seat
after me. Well, the good news is is that people
sometimes think that if you're standing next to someone with
lice that you can get it. And they don't jump
from head to head, so you have to have some
kind of super close contact, which is why kids get
it all the time because they're always touching each other

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and stuff. So the person sitting next to her is
probably fine. The bigger concern is if she put any
bags in the overhead storage, if it was that bad
that it was on her stuff, Sharing hats and stuff
with people obviously is doing it. And if she I
think that the seats in the airplane, are they cotton

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or are they like a leathery kind of or plethory
kind of material. I guess it depends which airline you're on,
what's he you're on. I've plown in both kinds because
I feel like absorbent cotton seats or some kind of
comfy material. It definitely if she was sitting there, they
definitely could have been an issue. But in theory, they're

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wiping down the seats and everything with some kind of
disinfectant wipe, but I don't know if they are. But
hopefully it didn't spread like that. They're just learning a
lot more stuff about the way that it spreads. And
even now, if a kid is found to have it
in school, they don't they're not even supposed to send
the kid home from school early that has it, and

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they're supposed to go home discreetly. Because obviously I don't
know if this happened when you were a kid, but
when I was a kid, it was like someone in
the school has lice, and then you figure it out
quickly because it was the kid that didn't come to
school the next week, and then a letter went home
to your parents, and then that kid was forever branded
as like the dirty kid that brought lice into school

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kind of thing, right, which is just completely ridiculous. Anybody
could get it like that. But she I was kind
of under the assumption reading this story that her family
had it and maybe or check because you know, there's
usually one person that brings it into the house, and
you want to always check the other people in the
house to make sure that they don't have any knits

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or the little eggs in their hair, because that's how
that's how it ends up, you know, going through the
whole household and stuff. Because didn't she say something about
blaming her husband for not checking her hair properly or something. Yeah,
I don't know if it was a case where she
was itchy and they might have suspected it, but he
maybe didn't do a thorough enough job and then they said,

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you know, she didn't have or she thought she didn't
have it, and that's why she felt comfortable going forward.
I think my problem with the whole story is that
she's like she said something like the whole world's on
fire and me getting on a plane with lace as
a headline, Well, like you put it out there so
and you're a celebrity. Ever, I just e won't em
and understand because that's understandable. Like, let's say she's living

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in the house with her husband and her kids got
lights at school whatever, totally normal situation, and she she's
checking to make sure she doesn't have it, and the
husband checked her hair and it didn't look like she
had it, so she left and went on the plane.
I think that that's totally normal. Right. Yeah, then you
even if you go on the plane and you're like, shit,
my head's really itchy, and you look in the mirror
and see that you have like bugs crawling on your head,

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the last thing you should do is hit record and
do that. That's and that annoys the shit out of me.
That's more annoying than any of this. Are people saying
that in the comments, just like yeah, they're not They're
just like, there's no reason you told everybody this. I mean,
she's acting like the in the row behind her saw
the bugs like crawling on her head and called TMZ

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and were like, oh my god, Jenny Mullen his life
and she's on this plane right now, Like, you'll put
it out there, so of course you are going to
get the backlash for it. What a moron. I just
think it's like, you have no right to complain when
you put it in the universe. You know how people
are about literally everything. You could have donated all of
your personal finances to poor children and still somebody would

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call you an asshole. So like, of course somebody's gonna
criticize you for this. I don't know, but not one.
But what would one person say that was positive? Oh well,
that was really thoughtful of you to put a plastic
bag over your head. You're really doing well. They covering
her whole head, Like I know, I know, dude, it's
purely just kid. All right, all right, let's get on

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this ice work. YouTuber Rosanna Pazzino launched her new podcast
called Ridiculous this weekend. Not ridiculous, it's ridiculous. So on
her first episode, she explained that when her dad died,
his wish was to have his ashes grown into a
weed plant and for his family to smoke it the
way that the stories headlined was it seemed like she

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mixed his ashes with weed in a joint and smoke.
It was just going to say this, but that's not
really how it went down. I guess she was growing
weed maybe and scattered his ashes in the dirt and
then they smoked that weed. Yeah, so it seems like
he died five years ago from leukemia, and this was
a wish he you know, expressed to his wife into

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his daughter who's the YouTuber, and they really were hesitant
to do it at first, but then they were like,
you know, we have his ashes, why not. So they
paired with I guess a certified cannabis grower, and they
got a plant. They learned how to properly grow it.
So then they potted a weed plant and scattered some
of his ashes in it, and when it was finally
ready to go, they harvested it and rolled it into

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joints and then they smoked it together. I think it's
pretty cool. I think the story's cooler because I, you know,
I'm a crazy plant lady, and for people to just
even get a plant and do something like that and
have it survive to the point where it would grow
what you needed it to grow and then to harvest
it and then to dry it out, and that just

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is like a whole process in itself. So they just
get points for even being able to figure out how
to do that. But I mean, whatever you want to do.
There was a story this week that I was gonna
talk about later next week, but we could talk about
it now since it's relevant. I think Ariana Grande was
saying something about her mom wanting to have her ashes

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spread at Disney World and how they even she's not
allowed to do it or something like that. And we
talked about a story when we first started this podcast
about the guardian of the Galaxy ride getting shut down
because it was like somebody dumped like an entire human bride.
And remember they like, oh okay, it was like one
worn like all there was just like dust everywhere. It

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was just it just looked like this huge Imagine getting
a bag full of flour right on a ride and
just dumping it upside down like it just the same
thing happened. It just was everywhere. So whatever, what, I
don't know why anybody cares. Whatever you want to do.
I mean, she this is she even if she smoked

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the ashes directly, like ashes are kind of inert, they
don't do anything, and that to me is weird. We
talked about somebody eating their husband's ashes before, but who cares. Yeah,
I mean, this is definitely a unique thing to do.
I thought it was cool that she said, like, my
dad was a badass, so we wanted to honor him
in a badass way, you know, And it's it's definitely
cool and creative. I think anybody could really spread ashes

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anywhere they want, but you don't need to be a
Jenny Mullen and you know, announce it to the world
exactly like I I was thinking that with Ariana Grande.
I'm just like, dude, brang a vial and dump it
wherever you want to dump it. There's plenty of places
that they don't clean, like behind trees and stuff like that. Like,
just just dump it there and let her be part
of earth with a tree that's growing next to Cinderella's castle.

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Why why are you trying to formally ask permission to
do that? You I don't understand the follower, And I'm like, okay,
if you're trying to do something like this to honor
your loved one, and you know, someone's that cool with
it just and I think also a lot of people,
like going back to what you said about imagine dumping
an entire bag of flour out on the ground, Like
you don't have to take all of the remains. You

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could just take some of the Oh I think people
are taking all of the remains and that's where they're
getting caught. Yeah, of course, Well if could you imagine,
because you're probably being filmed so much at Disney World
from every angle, if you just had a little tiny
tupperware in your purse that you would normally put salad
dressing in or something. Right, they wouldn't see They wouldn't

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even see it when you went through. Well maybe they would,
I don't know if they X ray your bag and stuff.
But you could put it in something even smaller than that. Right,
nobody's gonna question it. Just hang it off your purse,
call it a day, and then open it up. It's
just like, stop the drama. I mean, they make necklce
is that are vials that there's literally this like Victorian
jewelry called a poison ring, where people used to put

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poison in their rings so they could slyly like hold
it over a cup and dump it in a drink
like you could even take a little bit of it,
put it in a ring like that, just open it
and part of that your family member or loved one
is now in that space they wanted to be. You
don't have to take the whole bag, Like, how do
you even get the whole bag in? I don't understand

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how that goes undetected? Oh the one in Disney World,
Yeah that was a lot. Yeah. I don't know. I
really don't know. You don't see a big bag of
powder and are like, what is this? I think that
they check your I remember they like check your purse
and stuff, or don't you go through some kind of
X ray thing or something like that? Yeah, advanced security there. Yeah,

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I don't know, but they did it. I mean this happened.
I mean if they have that AI technology that could
read your face when you're scanning your ticket and then
upload every photo of you on every into an app
without you agreeing to that, then I think that they
can figure out if you have ashes in your bag. Okay,
freak accidents, All right, we have an update on the

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head found on the beach. So last week we had
discussed how a beach worker discovered a human head on
a popular beach near Miami, and it has now officially
been declared as that nineteen year old that was missing
that we were talking about. Yeah, so, like I was
saying earlier, just being in the water like that, especially
in Florida where it's really hot, just advanced decomposition, so

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that could have been hell has had his head had
detached from his body, as well as sharks in the water,
bigger fish that feed off of the body when a
body dies. So there's that. It's just really sad because
apparently he went swimming with his sister and it seemed
like she started getting ripped up in the current and
he was going in to try to save her and

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then oh, yeah, it is the rip current scare the
shit out of me. Honestly. We have them in the
New a lot in New Jersey when it's the summertime,
and it's just there's areas of water that I guess
most people feel like it's a good place to enter
to go swimming because there's not a lot of waves
and it's the worst area to enter the ocean, and

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a lot of people get tripped up and then they
get caught in the recurrent and don't know how to
get out of it. At least fortunately the sister survived it.
But it's it's so sad for the parents because not
only did they lose a kid in this horrible way,
and the sister lived through it and survives, so she's
going to have horrible feelings the rest of her life,

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Like Vibry is guilt, yeah exactly. But on top of that,
the parents just having to deal with all this media
about their son's head washing up on shore, you know. Yeah,
I mean it's just sad all around. And you know,
at least they were able to quickly identify him and
it wasn't this ongoing thing and they have some type
of closure, you know, at the end of the day.

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So it sucks, but it's can at least try to
make peace with what it is and move on and
all right. So now we have more airplane drama too.
So this guy is suinga and penis drama. So this
guy is suing Frontier Airlines after he said a cup
of hot water spilled onto his lap, giving him significant
injuries and disfiguring his penis. This is reminiscent of the

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nineties with the McDonald's famous burning hot coffee case. Einfeld
also did an episode about that too. Really, yeah, listen,
I think that this is valid, honestly, because when I
go on a plane sometimes I would like tea. I
drink tea a lot, and I would never get it
because I always think, even with a drink, there's turbulence

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and stuff like that. Why would you ever put a
cup that doesn't even have any kind of lid on
it filled with boiling hot water on a plate. It
just is a terrible idea. Yeah, So this is kind
of surprising that this is the first time that this happened,
either with coffee or tea or anything like that. And
I guess the guy was saying that this person that

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was the flight attendant filled it up to the brim
with this boiling hot water and it's spilled on his
penis and he's there sitting there. They're like, what could
he do? Right? Well, he also is blaming like the
design of Frontier airlines and like the way they have
their seats so close together, and you know, it's it's
one of the cheaper airlines, so it's not a luxurious

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experience flying on them that the seats are not very comfortable.
They're all jammed together, he was saying. Because of the
configuration of the plane, he wasn't able to quickly get
up to try to like, you know, I guess maybe
try to remove his pants or go to the bathroom
or something. But yeah, and he had to. I don't
know how long the remainder of the flight was, but
he had to sit there and wait. And an ambulance

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did meet him when he got off of the plane
and took him to the hospital. But he was diagnosed
with third degree burns, which are significant. I wouldn't be
surprised if he needed skin grafts, especially that skin that's
on the penis is very thin, and a third degree
burn is all the way down into the underlying soft tissue,
is a full thickness burned through the skin. So the

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McDonald's case, when that was first in the news, it
was very much talking about how it was a frivolous lawsuit.
But then when you really hear about facts of the case,
you start to think that number one, they're hot water
was way more hot that it needed to be in
order to make coffee. So that was the thing, and

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it was served to an older lady when you're older,
your skin is thinner, and the boiling water from the
coffee burned her so bad she had to get skin
grafts on her thighs and stuff like that. And I
think that case got worse because she initially only wanted
to sue for the money for her bills, which was
only like twenty thousand dollars, and they said no, yeah,

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and then they kept pushing it and were like no,
and really, I mean that lady went through absolutely hell.
It affected her life, and it's the same in this case.
It just doesn't make any sense why they wouldn't serve
it at least with a Starbucks type of cup where
it has a lid that if there was some kind
of jolting that it would be less likely to spill

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over the edge. Well, as a result of that McDonald's lawsuit,
I'm pretty sure what came from that was they had
to start putting that warning on these cups that said,
like caution hot liquid. Right, but when you're on an airplane,
it doesn't matter for what you said, like, you're in
kind of an uncontrolled environment and if turbulence hits or something,
it's gonna splash. There's no lid on the cup. Why

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does it have to be so hot and they're not
rigid and there's no cup holders. They have cup holders,
but it's a joke. What that little divot in the tray? Yeah, no,
I don't know, Like I just I can't believe that
this is the first time that this has happened. To
be honest, I doubt it's the first time that happened.
It's probably just getting sensationalized right now because it involves

(22:58):
severe burning of a man genitals. So you know, do
you ever go into a coffee shop and they make
you coffee and they don't have There's this one we
go to and they don't have the lids. The lids
are like on the side. You could put the lid
on yourself. I just don't like carrying those plastic cups
filled with water that hot. Think about like somebody walk
into the bathroom and bumping your arm or something. It's

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just they're so flimsy that it's just a risk of
getting burned with it. I don't know. I think a
lot of hipster coffee shops it is to that. I
only I know why is that cool? It's not cool
to put the lid on for people. I know they
want you to see the fancy film design that they do.
I know two in particular that I go to that

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do that. And the one is fine because it's like
you literally pick the cup up and you turn your
body around one eighty and it's right there. But the
other one that we just went to recently is you
have to go down a couple steps then you find
the lid and it's not in a super obvious location.
It's near like where a bunch of other tables are
and stuff. So the risk of bumping to somebody's high.

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They need to think of the user flow of the experience.
It's not cool to do that. No, okay, True crime,
Oh my god, another week. This is like the episode
full of updates. Finally we never get answers about anything.
So update about the kayaker who faked his own death.
Oh my god. The other day you were like, please
tune into Nancy Grace. Something crazy came out about this

(24:24):
and she had this content creator on the show that
apparently took this video back in June and California. And
in the video she was making, the content creator was
holding up a sign I guess asking anybody if they
were looking for free advice, and this guy on this
bike pulls up to her and asks if he should
move to Uzbeka stand or stay here. And it started

(24:45):
going crazy because this man in the video looked just
like the guy that was faking his own death. Yeah.
And this woman who was making this video, she was
standing at a beach in San Diego, just holding up
one of those signs that have as us sometimes if
we go to the boardwalk, they'll be like someone holding
up a sign because they're trying to make a video
for YouTube or whatever. And she just heard about this guy.

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So this is the guy who went who faked his
own death and went missing. And she heard about it
on the news and thought, wow, they think that this
guy's in Uzbekistan. What a weird random country. That's weird.
I interviewed a guy that said that he would want
to move to use Pakistan and he also was married.
So pulled up the footage, looked at it and she

(25:28):
was like, you know what, let me just contact police.
So she also had it online and it went viral
like four point five million views or something like that
because everyone was convinced it was this guy. Yeah, So
she said at first she didn't even realize what happened
until a bunch of her followers started sending her the
news story about the guy going missing, and she was like,

(25:48):
this is really weird. And then when she looked at everything,
she was like, oh my god, this must be the person.
It was really bizarre because she was like, why do
you want to move there? And he said he wanted
to meet women, and then he eventually said he was married,
and she like, talking to this guy so uncomfortable. This
person in this video seemed like they were like on
drugs or something. The way they were talking. No. I

(26:10):
said that he had like Kevin Spacey vibes in seven,
just like total out of it, creepster. I don't know,
there was something about him. If I talked to him,
I'd just be like, something's off with that dude. But
apparently it's not the dude. Somehow it's not the guy,
which I can't believe because looking at pictures they look
very similar. And I don't know what this guy's voice

(26:34):
sounded like or anything, but just you know, the the
eerie similarity of the stories and the fact that they
look so similar. I mean, Nancy was even saying like
it's supposedly him, So she wasn't confirming it was him,
but it was very suspicious. Well, the investigators interviewed people
that knew him in real life and said that it
wasn't him. So what, I mean, what else can you do? Yeah,

(26:56):
because I mean, you people that know him would know
that it was him or not. They would know if
it was him, you know, based on his voice. I mean,
this video was taken in California, he lived in Michigan.
They might have good evidence to suggest that he was
not in California at that time. It is an eerie coincidence.
I think they're trying to locate the actual person that
was in the video to see what the deal is.

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So so what my theory is is that there's just
this whole underground network of women in Uzbakistan who are
trying to scam American men to move there, right, And
that's that's like legit a thing. I actually know someone
that this happened to. Oh like that, and it wasn't
It wasn't used Pakistan. I don't remember what the country was.

(27:39):
But this woman told a person that we know that
her family was rich and that they were oyster pearl farmers.
And that she was going to send him money and
like pay for his children to go to college and
all this stuff. But he had to do something before
she did all that. And it was some like any

(28:01):
normal person hearing that story, you're just like, oh good,
that that's totally fake, right, But this guy was convinced
this woman was so hot the pictures of her and stuff,
that this was real. That the that the all the
other people in the room had to be like, dude,
you're about to get scammed really bad. He just had
no idea that it was gonna happen. He really thought
this super hot, rich chick from another country wanted to

(28:24):
just take whisp him away and like take care of
his whole family. You know. Well, somebody on her show
brought this point up, to which she did not like.
You know, I was cackling listening to this episode her
tearing into this guy. But no, my thought is if
if he was more than likely scammed over there, is
he over there and isn't coming back because he knows

(28:47):
he's gonna face charges over here. Did he go over
there and get killed? Did they take all his money
and he can't get home? What is going on over there?
Is it one of those situations where we just won't know.
I don't know. I hope we do know, because I
would just love I would love it if he left
his wife and faked his death and all this stuff
and then he went over there and it turns out

(29:09):
that this lady drained, which is what happened, one hundred percent, okay,
drained his entire bank account, took all his money. He
got there. What the hell are you going to do
over there? You're you're you know what I mean, Like,
you're not from there, no origins there. They have really
good food. I know because there used to be a
restaurant that was called Usbakistan in northeast Philly. I don't

(29:32):
know if it's still there, but it was freaking amazing.
But regardless, he's gonna come home and be like, wifey,
I'm sorry, I'm back. I want to see the kids,
like yeah, and right now, Like like I thought last week,
the only charge he could really get hit with at
this moment is like insurance fraud. But still that's kind
of dicey because he was taking out the life she

(29:54):
Nevers policy on himself and the wife. You know, I
don't even think she contacted them, and from a person
I know that works in the industry, it takes a
really long time to get a payout on missing people
because they have to investigate every possible thing, Like you know,
your husband faking his own death. So even though we
thought it was the only considerate thing he did trying

(30:15):
to get her fade out, it's not like she would
have gotten it immediately. It could have been years and
years and years if they didn't discover that he faked
his own deaths. So yeah, I don't I don't know
if he could get It's an interesting point because at first,
when you we always talk about these stories of people
faking crimes, which we're gonna talk about some fun ones
in a minute, but you always think that that they

(30:38):
would get there would be accountability. But he kind of
I guess the guy that was on Nancy's program had
a point which was he didn't commit a crime. You're
allowed to leave your wife, like and that's that's what
he did. Like she's the one that called authorities to
look for him. Yeah, because we were saying like he
could maybe get hit with like a waste of resources,

(31:00):
but like he did it like he I don't know though,
because that I don't know. Because that chick, Sherry Peppini
that faked her kidnapping, I guess she I was gonna
say her husband called, but she came back eventually and
then said that somebody can is it illegal to fake
your death? But but he didn't really fake his death.
He's just missing. He staged an accident. I mean, I

(31:25):
don't know, but like he I don't know, though. Can
you prove that he staged an accident? Like what he
just like left his boat there? Like what if I
think sitting there was like you know what, screw this,
I'm leaving and just left his stuff there. I think
circumstante blood or anything anywhere, you know, I think circumstantially
they could try to get him with that because they

(31:46):
have all this evidence that he was wiping his history,
he was transferring his money to Farigm bank accounts, he
was talking to this like mistress overseas. So I think
circumstantially they're gonna say you faked it. But I don't
think there is any law in the United States for this,
And it's seemingly becoming more and more common that well,
it's not common, you know, people have been staging their

(32:07):
deaths since the beginning of mankind, right, because yeah, but
back in the day, that was an easy thing to do.
You know, it was really easy to do because there
wasn't DNA, there wasn't technology. It was really hard to
trace a person's whereabouts, so you could easily go on
the run. You could move from Michigan to Uzbekistan and
never be found again. But in today's day and age,

(32:28):
it's nearly impossible to commit a crime like this, which
is also why all these people that fake getting kidnapped
all get caught. What made them because he got He
did a pretty good job, to be honest, except when
they like what made them start looking? And just because
they didn't find his body, I guess and the guy
who was searching the water thought that that was weird

(32:49):
because they always had so much success finding a body. Well,
what was the turning point that made them say something,
something's up here. Well maybe because the lack of finding
a person's body. You can't just assume that they drown,
so you have to start ruling out other things, which
is why they started looking into his computer and seeing

(33:10):
that he was doing all that other stuff. And then
eventually they figured out that his passport had been scanned
in Canada. Yeah, but he had not really. I don't
even think he was like in the system as a
missing person at the time his passport was scanned, which
is probably why it's himself past. But the question remains,
like how did he get into Canada? So they need

(33:31):
to see if somebody helped him out. I mean, in
theory he could have I was gonna say, have a
rental car, but something would be attached to that because
he was in Where was he in Michigan? Yeah, I
mean I don't know where are you the closest location
that you would get into Canada from there? But could

(33:52):
he have taken an oof? Can we also talk about
how hilarious her saying his last name was Borgwart? All right, talk,
let's talk about now this this next one that is
in the news this week is it's just kind of on.
It has nothing to do with medical stuff that we

(34:14):
normally talk about psychologically, It really definitely psychologically, but it's
just so entertaining, so we have to share it, all right.
In January, these four men had claimed that a bear
you may get this out, it's so ridiculous, Okay. In January,
these four men had claimed that this bear had gone
into their roles voice and destroyed the inside of the car.

(34:36):
So they put a claim with insurance, and they gave
them video footage from like you know, a doorbell camera
or security footage on the property or something, and the
insurance people are watching this video and they're like, uh,
that's not a bear. And then they transferred over to
another like a higher up department who's also watching it.

(34:58):
They're like, that stuff, why not a bear, That's a
person in the bear costume. So then they had to
show the video to some professional wildlife experts, which, like
the local person working at the insurance company was like, yeah, no,
you don't need an expert to say it. Like, we
look at it, We're like, oh my god, these people
are so ridiculous. We're trying to pass this off. So

(35:20):
but yeah, the expert was like, that is a person
in a bear costume. So that as they start looking
further into it, they figure out that two of the
other guys have put in insurance claims with two other
insurance companies for their cars and then either so at
some point they got a payout from this. Yeah, so
they got to pay Wow, they got a payout of

(35:41):
over one hundred and forty thousand dollars from the three
insurance companies, and when detectives executed a search for it,
they came across the bear costume, which like, how much
of an idiot are you? Why would you keep it?
And the best part for me was on the end
of it. They had bear claws like the meat treading
plastick tool that barely did any damage inside of the cars.

(36:05):
Oh my god, I can't believe they got paid out
for one of these. Really, I mean, insurance companies are
so they're so you know, stingy with the money and
payouts and stuff. You just can't even believe. I just
can't believe it. But we're we'll put the link to
the video in the grosser room because it is so

(36:26):
outrage just just to watch it. And they act like
the group of these guys watched this video and we're like, yeah,
that looks good, that looks good. We're good. They'll definitely
see it. You can't the telltale sign in the video,
which I can't believe there's video. It is literally bear
open the car door. The bear opened the car door,
barely rocking the car at all. And then when he's

(36:46):
walking through the light in the cars on and you
could see the costume like shifting on the person's back,
like we're thinking, oh my god, So this is another
totally random, weird crime that someone faked. I don't know
if you remember this back in two thousand and nine,
Do you remember the boy in the balloon? Yeah? I do. Wait,

(37:09):
that was not what because I think I know the
vague details of it. It was like these parents that
had this invention of a weather balloon or something they made,
and they said that their six year old child was
on it, and the experiment went awry and the balloon
just like went off without the kid, and the whole
time the kid was in their basement. And they later

(37:31):
admitted to making up the entire story and saying that
they actually had a quote that said that their motive
was to make the family more marketable for future media interests.
That like literally is just like what is going through
people's minds, like their delusional Really, this is straight out
of the Amanda Show. She had this segment called, like

(37:52):
I think it was called Moody's Point where her mom
was like long lost in a high air balloon floating
in the sky, and they would show the mom like
wondering how she was doing on the ground. I just
don't even understand how you would ever think that that
would work out. I mean, like the military, like all
these people got involved, because when a child's missing, you
have to take it seriously. Yeah, and then it's just like,

(38:13):
oh no, this was just a lie. Like I actually
want to look up like whatever happened to those people
because I haven't ever heard of them again. I guess
their media career didn't blow up after that. Can you
just go to jail for being an asshole? It's not
but it's not really an asshole. It's just like you're
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nine year old patient had gone to the hospital after
his skull was crushed by a tree. And apparently when
this guy went into surgery, the neurosurgeon you know, was
brought her daughter to work that day, was like, hey,
thirteen year old, why don't you take this drill and

(39:46):
drill into this patient's head during their surgery? Oh my god?
And I guess who. Like the people in ther obviously
were just like, okay, this is where we draw the line. Yeah.
It seems like the hospital higher ups did it really
get wind of this for quite a little bit. After
they did, they only suspended the doctor at first before
deciding to fire her. All I can think about is

(40:09):
the times you had me come to work with you,
or even when I interned at the hospital, I was
never directly allowed to handle a specimen, let alone a
live patience and search right, that. I was thinking that too,
because I was like, we always had teenagers and younger
kids in like, but we would have you, okay, go
bring these slides to the pathologist or something like that.

(40:30):
There was never and that was back in the day,
which I don't even know that they would allow kids
to do that because of the hip is stuff and everything.
But like, no, at any time, I would never ever
let you be exposed to a bloodborne pathogen as a
child like that. Well, you know, like whenever I had
you take pictures of something of placenta's it was like

(40:51):
I put it on the paper and was like stand
here and touch the camera and take a picture. Like
it was never you were never at risk of being
exposed to anything, because that's certainly not responsible for a
child to be exposed to that kind of stuff. To me,
it would be like you being like take this, you
know orgon that came up with the tumor, cut the

(41:11):
tumor out and make the frozen section and they could
give it to the doctor at a book. That would
absolutely never happen. What are people doing? And then this
doctor has the balls to sue the hospital saying wrongful termination. Well,
I don't even understand why, Like, how are you You're
a brain surgeon, You're one of the smartest people in
theory on the planet. What are you doing right now?

(41:35):
It says her legal team said they should have dismissed
her as soon as they received her statement confessing to
allowing her daughter to operate, not until three months later
when they lifted this as why would she sue if
she had her job for an additional three months exactly
like and I'm sure it was suspended with pay. Yeah,
I just I don't. I just don't know what people

(41:57):
are thinking. I just really don't. Well, they're going to
take a deeper look in this in January when everybody
that was working on this operation has to give some
evidence and testimony. Yeah, I want to hear about that
because I'm curious. You know, you're in you're in a
room with the surgeon who's who's like, you know, you
don't want to question what they're doing. But at the

(42:19):
same time, you're also a medical professional that's sitting there
saying this is the same thing that probably happened with
the dude, the one guy in Florida that took out
the wrong organ. Just think about being in the o
r with all of the other staff and just their
reactions to this abnormal thing that's happening. Like, what do

(42:40):
you do in that situation? You know, I don't know,
and I don't know the hierarchy of doctors, Like is
the surgeon considered like your boss in the operating room,
so you don't feel comfortable enough speaking out against them
or something. I don't know if you would necessarily call
it a formal boss, but they're the one that's lee

(43:00):
that's leading it. I mean, in our situation, it's the
pathologists were never officially my boss. The tea people that
were in charge of me, my supervisors were also hospital employees.
But there's just a certain level of I don't know
what you want to say, respect that you have for
the physicians that and ultimately they're the ones that can

(43:21):
get sued with the malpractice insurance and everything. So if
they say something is okay, you could argue with them,
which I have done many times, trust me that you're
wrong or something, but ultimately it's you signing your name
to it, you know what I mean. So there are
the ones that are kind of in charge in that situation. Okay,
there's a twenty six year old who currently has twenty

(43:44):
two biological children and plans to have over one hundred.
How does it seem possible sarrogacy? Her husband's rich and
they've paid one hundred and eighty thousand dollars to surrogates
over the past couple of years, and most of the
kids were actually born with than the same year. Yeah,
so they say, why is this attractive? Why would you
want to have even if you add all the money

(44:05):
in the world and help, why would you want to
have that many kids around? I don't understand. So they're saying,
twenty of the kids were born within just over a
year of each other, and they pay I feel like,
I feel like that number of one hundred and eighty
thousand is not right, because does it one surrogate get. Like,
I'm pretty sure if you're a high level sarrogate in

(44:27):
LA or something for celebrities, you could get you know,
two hundred to five hundred thousand dollars for one baby. Well, yeah,
if I was going to be a saragate, I at
least would want my house paid off. Yeh, something like
a major thing. But this is in Russia, right, They're
living in Russia. She's a Russian woman. I don't know
if she if they live in Russia, well, regardless, I

(44:47):
feel like I thought that I saw that they did,
and he was some kind of a millionaire over there,
so I don't know. I was thinking the same exact
thing though, that they're they're taking advantage of people, poor women,
and I mean, and not really paying them that much
to hold a baby for them. Really, yeah, And obviously
hundred and eighty divided one hundred and eighty thousand divided

(45:09):
by twenty is just like not that much money to
be carrying a baby. No, it certainly isn't. And then
they have all these nannies. My problem with it is
just like, what quality of life are these children going
to have. They're never going to have, you know, a
space where they're having enough attention. I don't think it's
right to do something like that. And to make matters

(45:31):
even worse. The husband was sentenced in twenty twenty three
to eight years in prison after being found of illegally
purchasing and possessing drugs. So well, I just pulled out
the calculator. It's nine thousand dollars to be a surrogant.
I should have been able to figure that out in
my head. I'm embarrassed, but quick man. But I think
the thing is is that my kids could figure that

(45:52):
out because they learned how to do math a certain
kind of way. But like, if I had to sit
there and draw out my long division to figure that
out would be ridiculous. But anyway, Yeah, I mean nine
thousand dollars in two thousand and twenties to take care
to go through an entire pregnancy, that's just that's taken

(46:12):
advantage of somebody, really, and during a pandemic, when being
in the hospital is absolute healthy, and also with the
pandemic and that particular virus being of importance to people
that were considered immunosuppress, which when you're pregnant, you're considered immunosuppress.
So like, this is just this is just to show off.

(46:33):
She tried to act like, oh, she's a normal mom
and does all this stuff even with help. But you
I was reading like all the children's names, and I'm like,
if you sat there and asked the lady all of
her kids' names, there's no way birthday stuff like that,
There's no way that she would know. I just don't
believe it. I just don't think it's a good quality
of life. I mean, we talked about this with Nick

(46:54):
Cannon and his mission to like repopulate the whole world. Right,
It's like, what, you're just doing it for attention and
some weird like selfish thing, like you're not doing it
to get what good quality of life can the kid have?
Unless like I don't know, I was gonna say, unless
they're each raised by their own individual nanny or something,

(47:15):
but it's like that's not right, Like I just don't
agree with it. It's not like collecting purses and shoes.
I think they're humans just have children to have children,
And that really bothers me. You should want to have
a child to try to give them a good, loving life,
not just because you think it fulfills your Facebook picture,
Like yeah, it's really messed up. Well yeah, I I

(47:39):
I don't know. I mean, you can't listen. I don't
ever want to be one of those people that say,
I just personally think it's your moron, because like, why
would you want to be around that many kids and
be responsible for them for whatever reason? But where, like
where would you draw the line of how many people couldkeep,
how many children people could have. It's that's why you

(47:59):
just can't really say because there's plenty. Even one of
my friends her husband's one of ten kids, and that
was you know, they're older. So it's like back in
the day when people just did that, that was a
common thing to happen, that you had multiple kids. Where
do you draw the Line's ten too many? Is fifteen
too many? Is six too many? You know, I don't know,

(48:21):
it's kind of you just can't. It's just like not
saying it should be illegal. It's just I don't know,
I just think it's not right. But whatever. Yeah, but
you also, like I want to bring this point up too,
that like you're taking all the available sarrogates to have
like twenty kids in one year for yourself. Like what
if of a married couple desperately is trying to have

(48:42):
a baby, and then the surrogate's not available for them
because you're trying to have like one hundred children when
somebody just wants one that they're going to give a
really good life to. Yeah, I mean, I don't know,
I just I don't think it's right. But all right,
In La, this forty four year old woman from Virginia
was arrested after it was discovered she put as a
registered nurse in multiple hospitals over a month and took

(49:03):
care of over sixty patients. This is scary, Yeah, And
I guess I was talking to Amy. I texted Amy
and Kara about this, just being like, how the hell
does this happen? And they were telling me about all
the different the different points of checking people's identification and

(49:24):
stuff to make sure that their nursing license is valid.
And I guess the biggest problem with this case is
that this woman had somehow stolen a real registered nurse's
license and also had a fake ID to go along
with it. So that's why all of the credentials checked out. Yeah,

(49:46):
and it wasn't the first time she did it either.
She's done this multiple times. Yeah, and in twenty seventeen,
So she stole the identity of a nurse that was
living in New York and was working in Virginia as
a nursing supervisor. So Amy's point was like, if you're
going to steal someone's identity, why would you take like

(50:08):
a job that's really hard to do. It's not like
it's a cake walk that you get paid a shit
ton of money. It's like a it's like a very
stressful job, and it's a lot of hours and hard work.
So the whole story is just weird because I also
think about this woman went through all of this stuff,
and she obviously is good at it because she's done
it for the past five years and has duped a

(50:30):
bunch of people like, if she's that intelligent, why didn't
she just go to nursing school and just become a nurse.
I don't understand. I don't think she was that good
at it, because when she just got arrested, they said
they started looking into it because it was obvious she
didn't have some basic knowledge of nursing, and people are like,
how have you been a nurse? She's good, she's good

(50:51):
at it if she got her foot in the door
to begin with. I just like I think about, I'm
not a nurse, so I don't know the whole entire
deal with how they get hired at the host. But
we have a similar thing that we're certified, and we
have to be certified through a certain organization, and we
have to have a certain level of education. And when
I even I was working at the hospital I was

(51:11):
at for ten years or whatever before I even graduated
PA school. And they were like, yeah, if we're going
to move you to this position, we need documentation of
your transcripts from the school that you went to that
was accredited for this program that you went to. And
then we need documentation of your PA credentials and all
of this stuff matching with your driver's license and this
and that, Like it's all that's what I had to

(51:34):
go through. Like, I don't understand how it was that
easy for her to just get in and slip through
like that. I guess, well, I think we make up
this point a lot on this show where sometimes scammers
go to such great lengths that what you just said earlier,
like if you're so smart to do this, and you
could do all the steps to you know, be a fraudster,

(51:57):
why can't you just go to nursing school and actually
become a nurse. But I don't know, some people just
have that brain Like think of Frank Abbing. Now, am
I saying that correctly? From Catch Me? If you? Oh?
I love that dude, like he was this master, you know, scammer.
And then the FBI was like, you're kind of smarter
than a lot of guys on our team. So can
you just be consultant because even though you should be

(52:20):
going to jail for everything you're doing, like you're gonna
be able to catch other people who are doing stuff
like this because you have like a criminal brain for it,
but you're really smart. This is just it's just so
off my radar to do anything like this. I don't
even know if right now you were like in Nicole,
go get a fake driver's license, like how they're so
especially the ones in our state, that they're just making

(52:41):
so hard to to not to not be able to counterfeit. Well,
I would never because of my real I mean, do
you know when like when Pop Pop was a kid,
his driver's license was on a piece of card stock
with no photograph. Of course, people faked id's all the time, right,
And then even when I was a teenager, my sister

(53:03):
took my driver's license so she could go to bars
and stuff because she's two years younger than me, because
she kind of looked like me, and they didn't confiscate
the driver's license like she had just when when I
got older and got my new driver's license, like I
just gave her my old one and she used it
for years and got in right. But now it's just
I feel like they put don't they like punch a

(53:24):
hole in it, and there's like all this stuff and
you can't just like easily make it. The one that
I had when I was a teenager was just a
piece of cardboard kind of laminated between that thick lamination paper.
It wasn't it wasn't anything that wasn't able to be
counterfeit basically. But now they're like printed on this special
thing with the holograms and all this. I don't know,

(53:47):
I've totally random thought from this. What do you do
if you get like major cosmetic surgery on your face
and you look so different and you have to you
have to get a new license, I'm assuming right, because
it's not gonna match. I I do wonder that sometimes
because I show in my my driver's license picture right
now I was pregnant with Lilian, who's almost twelve years old.

(54:08):
It's just like my hair was completely different, my face
was different. They don't let you wear your glasses in
the picture, which is weird because I always wear my glasses,
so it's almost like my Clark Kent disguise that I
could go out and nobody would know who I was
if I just was not wearing my glasses. You know.
But but like, how is that helpful for your ID?

(54:30):
You know? Well, I had a new license picture when
I changed my last name when I got married, and
it's pretty good. So I'm gonna try to keep that
for a while because I always have, Like, No, mine's
terrible because I was. I feel like it was right
before I was ready to give birth to Lilian, and
I was like at least two hundred pounds of huge,

(54:50):
Like my face is just way fatter than it is
now you're pregnant. I know, I know, but I'm just
it's just not it's like not anything of what I
look like. It's just it's it's just so bizarre, like
it literally was in twenty twelve. Why would that be
my ID right now? You know? Yeah? I was thinking
that too, because I renewed my passport also when I
changed my last name, and the last picture I had

(55:13):
was from when I was seventeen. I didn't look anything
like that. It's crazy that they let you keep. I'm
glad that I look better now than that, because that
would just be depressing if it was when I was
like younger and looking way better, you know. Okay, So yeah,
so that nurse she's been arrested. I just it just

(55:35):
really really scares me that that could happen. I don't
know though, that the hospital necessarily did anything wrong. If
she presented with all official appearing documents, it's just scary
that she was even able to do that. Yeah, and
she took care of what sixty people? Yeah, I mean,
I mean I know what she was doing. I wonder

(55:55):
if anybody died as a result of that or anything.
So scary. Okay. Other death news, all right, So last
update we have today is about the Walmart oven death.
So police have said there's no foul play in the
death of the nineteen year old who died in the
Walmart walk in oven. They're not considering it's suspicious at all.

(56:16):
What do you think that means that it was just
an accident? Yeah, I think based upon what we heard,
because they did say in the documentation that the girl
was discovered by her mother. I think that we said
all this the last time, right, Yeah, they had both
worked there for two years. The mother tried to find
her after not seeing her for an hour and asking around,
she tried to call her. She started panicking because she

(56:39):
said her daughter never turned off her phone in the
middle of the day, and then that's when she discovered
that she was inside of the oven. So it it's
either that, like I said, she either had a natural death,
and you know, like I said, she could have had
a heart attack or something and dropped in the oven
and that was just secondary she was in there. Or

(57:01):
it could have been an accident because the latch was
broke or something like that, or something malfunction on the machine.
So either of those things are still possible. They didn't
say what the autopsy results were. I think it's less
likely that it was a natural death because usually people
that are that age just aren't standing there and just
drop dead from a heart condition, although it totally could happen,

(57:25):
but they would see that at autopsy and be able
to see what caused her to die. Did she die
because her heart was she had some kind of a
heart defect, or did she die because she of hyperthermia.
That's the two things. But there was a lot of
buzz going around online that someone pushed her in there
and shut the door, But they were saying all the

(57:47):
investigation and the interviews and the videos didn't show that. Yeah,
and they also showed I think they did an assessment
of the oven and determined that it was functioning properly
at the time of the accident. But you know, Walmart
said that those of are being removed from the store
as part of a standard remodeling anyway. So I'm like, well,
of course you're not going to keep it after a
tragedy like that. And the store is currently closed still,

(58:08):
so I don't know if it's been closed this entire
time or if they've been closing it sporadically for the investigation.
But it's just really unfortunate this happened. M hm okay.
In October, a medical school in Texas was being inspected
and they were found to be illegally liquefying dead bodies.
What does that mean? All right? So I read the

(58:30):
whole story and I'm trying to figure out what happened.
But basically, when sometimes if a person dies, they say
they want to donate their body to science, they'll donate
their family member to a medical school. So the medical school,
can you know, the medical students could dissect a kid
diverse and stuff, and people like me and the families
usually signed paperwork that says, Okay, we're going to do

(58:53):
whatever we want for this research or for medical student learning,
and then when we're done with the body, we're going
to cremate the body. We're going to get the remains
back to you. Well, what happened is at this medical school,
it seems like they were doing a water cremation, which
is called alkaline hydrolysis, which they put chemicals on the
body to essentially liquefy it, because the body is made

(59:16):
up of sixty percent water, right, so you're basically just
like shrinking down all of that fluid and then whatever,
and that turns into almost a powder, and then whatever
is left over, teeth, bones, things like that get pulverized
into ashes similar way that you would do it with
the cremation, and that's given to the family. So the
family might not even know that this happened because it

(59:38):
kind of just looks similar. But I think the biggest
problem with this is number one, it's illegal in Texas,
so they don't do any water cremations in Texas. However,
the medical school is fighting back saying, yeah, but we
fall underneath of this thing where we can when we
have bodies for medical research. We can do it, but

(59:58):
then the law makes or some Texas are bouncing back
and saying no, we override that. Well, I think there
was also some concerns they were doing this on unclaimed
bodies too, so technically those families didn't have they didn't
have permission. Well that that's a whole separate issue that
this school is having with the unclaimed bodies. But as

(01:00:19):
far as this goes, the concern is that so let's
say I say I want to donate my body to science,
and you sign this paperwork and say I'm getting cremated, right, yeah,
but I'm like a devout Catholics speak against this. They
say that they don't think that this is the right
way to respect a body. After it says that it

(01:00:44):
fails to treat the body with things that they respect
in the sense of image of liquid bodies being poured
into the sewer, like so this is this is what
they're saying, Like the Catholic Church doesn't agree with it. Right,
So now you think I'm getting cremated, but really I'm
having this thing done which is against our religion basically.
But the families don't even know that this is happening,

(01:01:05):
and that's that's where it's like, oh, listen, honestly, in
my opinion, like what's the difference. I mean, but like
religious people have their things, and you're either like you're
you're sitting there trying to tell people like it's totally
okay to burn this dead body all the way to ashes,
but but if you put it in a chemical and
put it in that similar thing, it's not okay. Whatever.

(01:01:27):
People are entitled to what they want. That's what I
was gonna say. I guess that's a matter of they
need to clarify on paperwork. I guess what is potentially happening.
But I also don't believe there's a high percentage of
devout religious people that are donating their bodies to science,
because typically if you're really religious, you're also not really
into science. So I don't think many religious people. Yeah,

(01:01:51):
but you know, you can't say that though, because it's
it's not. This is Catholic is like the least the
least hardcore of the religions, and they just have rules
like that, and this is I think the problem is
is that it's someone that thinks like me, like I
literally am like there's absolutely no difference. This is ridiculous, right,

(01:02:11):
But I respect that there's people that have religions that
they should be informed that this is happening and then
they could decide if if they're okay with it or not. Well,
to your point, it's like a lot of people that
get donated go to like the body farm for example, Right,
so it's okay to like leave their body in a
field to get like eaten by by birds, but like
it's yeah, by chemical I don't know, Like I I

(01:02:33):
think it's there's critical that there's not there's not well
welcome to religion like that, there's there's not a difference
if you really want to talk about it. But but
like people, this is the beauty of like living in
a free society, Like you have that choice and you
should be informed. And that's that's why they're frowning upon
this so bad. They have a whole other situation going

(01:02:55):
on with unclaimed bodies and stuff, which is just like
a whole other thing, right, And we just with an
external exam about with two authors that wrote a book
about unclaimed bodies that you guys should check out if
you haven't listened to that yet, because it gives I
think you give a lot of clarity on what happens
with those type of people. But yeah, I agree, this
is like, that's probably the more scandalous part of this

(01:03:17):
entire thing, and that's not the focus however of the article.
I don't know. I don't know exactly what the deal
is with this school, but I mean, let's just say,
if there's a body sitting in a morgue for however
much time, I guess they should really just bury it.
Because we had this in the hospital. We would have
people who had miscarriages and stuff. We had a whole

(01:03:39):
bunch of fee like fetuses in the fridge. Right if
they sat in there for a long enough time and
nobody came and got them and claimed them, then we
would send them off. They had like this mass burial
thing at some local cemetery, so if the parent ever
came back in two years, we could be like, well,
you could go visit the remains. They're here. Yeah, it's

(01:04:00):
what they should do with every single person. They shouldn't
just be like, Okay, well nobody's picked up this person
in a couple of years, to like send them to
a medical school. I mean whatever, it's just just to
avoid this. It would just be easier. Yeah. But like
I said, I guess they're just doing this because it
saves it. It's just more it saves money. It's just

(01:04:22):
easier to do. They weren't really hiding it. They have
the machines. It's not like it was like a dl
thing that they were doing, having some egor in the
basement performing these water cremations, right. I mean, they have
the actual machines that do it. There's documentation that they

(01:04:43):
bought them. They are saying that they honestly believed that
this was being done. You know that they had this
exemption of this law because they were a medical facility.
So a lot of it is just that. But I
definitely think that the consent forms need to be changed
and say your family member will be returned to you

(01:05:04):
because of this method and not not cremation. If that's
not what's being done. No, they should. They should be
transparent about They should be like, here's all the processes
in which your loved one could be studying. Yeah, and
if you don't consent to that, you need to say
which one and then they like put a special tag

(01:05:25):
on these people. I don't know that's they definitely have
to be transparent about it if there's a problem with it.
But I agree with you, like what's the difference, Like,
if your body's being donated in science, you should be
happy that it's being studied for anything. That's how I
look at it. Yeah, but it's it's just you want
to know, people want to know. That's yeah, Okay, all right,

(01:05:47):
So this story is crazy. In the UK, there was
this younger event that was constantly telling his mother he
was in distress over pet owners putting down their animals
because they didn't want to pay for their treatments. He
found their desks completely avoidable and thought this was highly
disturbing that people were like showing up in brand new
cars but refused to pay for treatment for their sick

(01:06:07):
dog or cat or whatever pet. So a couple of
weeks ago, he told his family he was going to
his office to pick up a package, and then when
he got there, he told a nurse he was taking
home meds to put down a friend's dog at the house.
So he did go to a friend's house, but instead
of euthanizing their dog, he euthanized himself at the house.
At his friend's house, they were on vacation and came

(01:06:27):
home and found him dead in their house. And this
article is alluding that he did this because he was
in distress over these pets, but allegedly he was cheating
on his long term partner who he was planning on
breaking up with, and he was also having sleeping and
money issues. So I'm gonna say that probably leaned a
little more into it than the pets. Yeah, because come on, like,

(01:06:52):
this is the thing. There's a fine line. You Obviously,
if you take your animal to a vet, you want
them to be not only education in what they're doing,
but you want them to be compassionate towards animals and everything.
But you also you can't be having a crazy animal
person there that just has unrealistic expectations of because sometimes

(01:07:13):
I know personally with friends of mine that have animals
that and even with my animal, for example, when I
brought my cat to the vet when I first had
adopted her, they told me that she had a heart
murmur and I said okay, and then they said, oh, well,
would you like us to give you a recommendation towards
a veterinary cardiologist? And I kind of like laughed and

(01:07:37):
thought that that was hilarious. I just I don't know.
I was like, wait, there's like actually a vet that
specializes in cardiology that you want me to bring my
cat to right now? And what are you going to
talk about? Giving this cat a heart replacement, a valve replacement.
You want to crack this cat's chest open and like
do open heart surgery on a cat right now? Like me, personally,

(01:07:59):
I think that that's the most ridiculous thing I ever
heard in my life. But I know people will like
take a mortgage on their house to do that with
their animals. Well, I get it in the sense of
some people consider their pet to be like their kid, right,
So I understand people that want to do it, But
I think if you're a vet, you have to understand
this is part of the job. Yeah, that's what I
was saying. Like my neighbor across the street, who I love,

(01:08:22):
who who heard dogs are her children, she would do
that and that's the beauty of it. But like, you
can't have a doctor that is going home and emotionally
distressed because I don't want to give open heart surgery
to my cat. Yeah, because you shouldn't even be practicing
if you're that like unhinged kind of. Well, if that
was really the reason, which I just kind of I'm

(01:08:44):
having a hard time believe. I think it could have
been a contributing factor, but I don't think it was
like the full reason. I think, why can't you try
to start a foundation that saves these animals and fundraises
to fix them and then adopts them to more loving
homes in your opinion, or maybe you shouldn't be a
vet if you can't handle it. I mean, think about
if you were a doctor or a nurse, and you know,

(01:09:05):
people have to pull the plug on their family members
sometimes it just it has to happen. So like I
don't know, and the new car, I mean, one of
my friends has the newer car and she just had
to get her animal put down and it was like
a heart wrenching decision that she had to do. You
just can't, like, you can't have a physician like that
that's judging you for that. She's also a single person

(01:09:29):
that has to pay bills and this and that. Like
you go up to a person and tell them that
they want something needs to be done for their animal,
that's like fifteen thousand dollars. That's just like a lot
of money for some people, you know, just not everybody
could do something. It's a lot of money for it.
It really should be a lot of money for any people.
But exactly like that, especially there's been times in my

(01:09:51):
life where that was my half of my year's salary,
you know what I mean, Like it's just a lot
of money to expect and I had a car. Don't judge,
you know I ever, But in what I was saying
about political fugu people, obviously it's a human being and
that's different, and like you're not doing it to save money,
but you get the point of trying to make that
emotionally it could be very distressing and I understand that,

(01:10:12):
but like you can't go to some extreme length. But
like the other information coming out about the affair and
everything else, I'm I'm gonna say that was probably more
of it. His mom's just trying to make him look
better as a person because he kind of sucked with
all that other stuff, right, so it's like he didn't
die in vain. So okay, let's move on to Questions
of the Day. Every Friday at the at Mother Knows

(01:10:34):
Death Instagram account, we put a little question box up
in the story, and you guys could ask whatever you
want first, what is the rarest condition you've seen at work,
and what's one that you've always wanted to see in
your career. Well, the rarest thing that I've probably ever
seen is this cancer that's called an nut cancer, and
it's it's a specific kind of cancer that's super super aggressive.

(01:10:57):
There's only been twenty reported cases of it last year.
There's probably more, but that's all that's been reported. But
we had this really young guy come in young. I
don't know his exact age, what I'd say he was
definitely under thirty and maybe he was somewhere in between
twenty and thirty years old. And when I opened him up,

(01:11:19):
he just died unexpectedly. I opened them up and his
whole entire body was just riddled with cancer all over
the place. It was just the craziest thing that I
ever saw in my life. And when we did the
histology on it and everything, and we were able to
determine that that was the cause of the cancer. And
it's a weird cancer that normally, you know, if people

(01:11:41):
smoke and stuff, these are risk factors, then they don't
really know what the risk factors are because it's so rare,
so there's not that much research on it, and they
just don't think it has anything to do with smoking
or any current known exposures that people are having. And
they know that it's also not genetics, so they've studied that.
You know, people that get it don't have a history

(01:12:02):
of it in their family, so it's just it was
really rare, and he was from another country and he
was just I don't know if he was visiting here
or he wasn't here too long. So I just kept thinking,
I remember when I was doing it, thinking like, what
the hell was this guy exposed to when he was younger?
And maybe like they just don't really know what causes it,

(01:12:23):
but that was that was one of the more memorable
cases that I have. One that I want to see
that I've never seen as citis in versus. So that's
when the thoracic or the chest organs and the abdominal
organs are a complete mirror image of each other, so
they're kind of you know, if you're looking at it

(01:12:44):
like this, then it's flipped on the other side of
the body. So it's it's really rare. It's a cool
it's probably like the coolest anatomic thing that you could
see as as a pa. One of my I believe
one of my friends in school saw it on a fetus,
but I don't. I haven't really actually talked to anybody
that's seen it in real life because it's pretty rare.

(01:13:06):
Didn't you know a story of a guy that had
it and they were like pranking the medical students and
asking them to take his heart. There was his heart beat. Yeah,
there was a story of one of the radiologists that
worked at the hospital I worked at that would trick
students into he would have them do x chest X
rays on him and try to trick them because his

(01:13:30):
heart was in an opposite direction that it should be
on the X ray. But but yeah, that's it, all right.
I thought that that would be like amazing to do actually,
but no autopsy unfortunately. Do you think peeing in the
shower is gross? I don't. I don't really care. I don't.

(01:13:50):
I don't really get grossed out by much, so I mean,
what's the difference. It's just a hole that it literally
probably connects to the same exact pipe as your drain
from your shower it. I mean, wouldn't you argue that,
like the soap from your body's cleaning up if you
use soap, If you use soap, I don't Yeah, I
mean I just I don't really care. Like if you're

(01:14:12):
trying to get for an argument for someone in your
family not doing it, I don't know. It's just it's
just like whatever you're like, I'm not gonna say I
never did it, but like I don't actively do it.
It's like just clean your shower and there's already soap
in there and it's going in the same pipe anyway,
So who cares? All Right, last, do you guys have

(01:14:33):
any Christmas traditions? Yeah, we go to Nutcracker every year
and just the girls though, Yeah, I think Gabis secretly
would want to go though we can't. We cannot. I'm
not letting them. I'm not allotting them. I'm just saying
that he would actually enjoy it. This is a nice
like ladies who lunch day and then we go see

(01:14:54):
the Belt and with other Maria who's like our adopted
sister slash Ant. Yeah, so we do that and we
do Longwood Gardens. We just started doing that a couple
of years ago though. Yeah, but that's good yeah, that's good.
We have our family Christmas party every year. When's it

(01:15:15):
the two families for Mom's side and pop up side
and then well Momm's side party now is like Valentine's daytime,
So like yeah, so yeah, if that's what you mean,
like we, I mean, we do Santa. We do the
stupid elves, although I wish I never did that, Honestly,

(01:15:38):
what Lillian told me the other day that one of
her friends never had elves, and I was just like,
oh my god, she's a genius. You also have like
five of them, which is unnecessary. Well that now they said,
oh my elf has a pet. One of the kids
in the school, Elf has a pet. And I saw
the pets and I'm just like, no, I can't even
keep track. Well, this is Lulu's last year believing in Santa.

(01:16:02):
Probably it has to be. I mean just like I'm
literally like the kids are at school right now, and
I just like look out in the hallway and like
whispered a little bit because I'm up so used to
being quiet about talking about Santa. But yeah, but Annette's
kids are are way older, and she's still I mean,
I haven't believed three years and she still does the

(01:16:23):
elves for them, Like the kids like it still, you know,
It's just it's a lot easier when do you want
to hear something funny? So we went to a home
store the other day, me and Lulu, and she saw
one of the elves that looks like her elves. Because
I started, I didn't get like the real elf. I
got like the stuffed animal one because Lilian was a baby,
and I just didn't think that one through all the way.
And she goes, can I touch this one since it's

(01:16:47):
not magic, since it's not my elf? And I was like, yeah,
you can touch it, and then she picked it up
and she's like squishing it and she's like, so this
is what it feels like. And I'm like, oh my god,
I feel like almost guilty. Yeah, but it's so cute.
I think you have to tell her after this, your
kid's getting old. But she is an older kid in
her grades, so the kid, you know what I mean, Yeah,

(01:17:07):
there's kids in her class that are still nine. So
I think that it's it's good for the kids to
be innocent as long as they can. But yeah, we
do that, and we do Santa and all that stuff,
and then I sleep at your house every year and
help you set up Sanna, And yeah, I don't know
why you wait till that night to wrap all the presents,

(01:17:28):
but it's normally, like now, last year I didn't. Normally
it was us staying up until like three o'clock in
the morning setting everything up, and then the kids wake
up at like six, which is awesome to have three
hours of sleep. Remember, like a couple years ago, we
we like didn't watch the new The Sex and the
City just like that show. Yeah, like we didn't watch it,

(01:17:50):
and we were like, let's save it, and then on Christmas,
evil watch it since we're up like hours doing these presents,
and we were like so disappointed. I was disappointed anyway, Well, yeah,
it's like at this point, you only watch it out
of nostalgia. You don't watch it because it's good. Yeah,
it's it definitely is not good. And last year it
feels like a bomber on Christmas Eve. I probably shouldn't

(01:18:10):
have did that last year. Did we watch that Megan
and Harry thing or was that the year before? I
don't know, but that was good. I feel like last
year we were done so early and I'm like, should
I go home and go back. It never it never
happened before that. We were done before midnight, so I know, right,
I don't know, but yeah, we we because Gabe just

(01:18:34):
puts the stuff together, you know, like this year they'll
be Lillian wants another vanity, so he's gonna have to
put that together, like God, get it to the start now,
so he's not up till five o'clock in the world
do it. Well. I'll never forget the Frozen Barbie castle
that took him forever? Did it both hit? We're him
and Ricky putting it together. I don't know that was Rios. Yeah,

(01:18:58):
it was definitely wasn't Ricky. He wasn't even in the
picture when that happened. I thought it was the first
year we were together. I don't think so, because they
were into Frozen when they were like two years old. Yeah,
Lulu was two when we started going out. Yeah, I
don't know. Maybe these a first year we're together. Anyway,
Thank you guys so much. If you have a shocking story,

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