December 18, 2024 • 22 mins
Timothée Chalamet joins us to discuss his upcoming movie, "A Complete Unknown," where Chalamet depicts Bob Dylan. Plus, we found out he's a fan!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge show. What's going on this time
of year.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We have our friends, we have our family, we have travel,
we have the food, we have cocktails.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We also have movies.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
You know, this is the time of year when all
the big ones roll out. Yeah, so there's a list,
isn't there. Isn't there a master list of all the
films that are coming out?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think, yeah, well, you know, starting before Thanksgiving is
when like they roll out all the big ones for
the holidays. And then you know, we've already had the
Wickeds of the world and like you know, mulwan Iu
and all that stuff, right, and then next year there's
another list. But this is the time when the you know,
the big holiday. But what is it called? Like got
the push the holiday push?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, there are many Christmases I recall, you know, we'll
we'll do our thing and okay, let's get out. We're
going We're gonna watch a film and that those are
my favorite favorite moments. I love those. Thanksgiving and Christmas. Well,
one of the films that everyone is talking about is
a complete unknown. It's coming out Christmas Day, of course,
all about Bob Dylan starring Timothy shallow May. We're gonna
talk to him just a moment about this character, Bob Dylan.
(01:03):
How do you do that? I mean, I feel like
such an intelligent d weep see seeing him do this
film is wow? Okay, yeah, this this actor is fantastic
and so many great things.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That we love.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Just with a name Timothy Schallamy. He had to be famous,
like that's just a famous name, you know. It really
just is Timothy Shallamy.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
This is Bob Dylan. Wasn't like I didn't. It's not
a name. It should be famous. No, wait, is that Timothy? Timothy?
Is that you? Are you eavesdropping on our conversation?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I'm here? Can they see me?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We can see you, We can see you, so stay
dressed if you will.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Fantastic. Nice, Nice to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Guys, Good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know you're in London, but we're in New York.
How long did you live in New York earlier in
your life?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Me? Man, I grew up listening to you. I grew
up listening on the way Elvis Durant in the Z
morning Zook. I don't know if it's to say that
is it the same? Is it the same? Uh? Title?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We got rid of the zoo part.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Well, listen what I honor to be on here. Listen
at seven twenty if I'm correct, at seven twenty am sharp.
You used to do the prank calls. My dad and
I would listen. But sometimes you guys veer into quote
unquote vulgar territories. When my dad would say, you know something,
I couldn't listen to it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh really, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's kind of funny because our kids, they will purposefully
stay away from their parents during those they call them
phone taps, and they were very Now we're vulgar all
four hours.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
We don't just do it so perfect perfect. Let's get
into it. Go ahead, No, I don't want to get
into it. You what we're gonna say?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Oh you will?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You see, we just had to push the button. You
can't you.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Know, We're just we're just pushing the edge.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm sure we are are.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, rights, you can say whatever we want, right.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
No, No, you can't.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Serious.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
By the way, we just had to push the dump button.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
We're back in that vulgar Yeah. Okay, you know we're
gonna we're gonna pull it back. Pg. Thirteen.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I first of all, we were so lucky to see
a complete unknown, which is out Christmas Day, by the way,
and to watch you do what you do is pretty amazing.
I don't think he'll ever be as amazed as we
are watching any human being be able to pull off
what you did with this Bob Dylan character.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
With Bob Dylan, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well. I have five and a half years to work
on this, and you know, I was supposed to shoot
it four years ago than the pandemic hit. Then I
was supposed to shoot it a year and a half
ago when the actors strike hit. So I just had
a lot of time to sit with this material, a
lot of time to play the guitar, play the harmonica,
bother everyone in my life with my Bob Dylan singing.
But I think I think the work was worth in.
Bob Dylan, as you I'm sure known many of your listeners,
(03:46):
is a Titanic artist. He's one of the most influential
artists in American history. So I want to do justice
to this guy. And I'm prideful about the character because
when you think about Elvis Presley or Mick Jagger, Paul
McCartney or John Lennon, these kind of tightens of the
of the sixties. They're not elusive figures in the sense
that we know what there, we know what their faces
look like, we know what their interviews look like. But
Bob Dylan is such a mysterious figure. I think to
(04:07):
my generation, you know, a lot of people know the
name is iconic, but they don't necessarily know the face.
They don't necessarily know the music. Right, So I want
like a humble bridge to this period and to this,
to this music.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So you must beel somewhat grateful that you had writer
strikes in pandemics. It gave you longer to learn how
to finger pick your guitar and play harmonica and saying
and sound like Bob Dylan.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I mean, listen, the time was an absolute blessing. I'm
not going to say the pandemic was a blessing for
my role, because I think a lot of people would go,
wait a second, this kid is out of his mind.
That was the worst time in our in our modern history.
But you know, so you know anyway, but uh, you know, yeah,
it gave me. It just gave me a ton of time.
(04:53):
I'll never get this much time to work on a
role ever again, you know, five and a half years.
But this this artist is worth it, This man is
worth and we wanted to do him justice and also
do justice to the fans of Bob Dylan's work. That
wouldn't feel like we committed an act of blasphemy, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, what goes into something like that when you're actually
playing a real life character, not just you know, like
you know, a character that's made up, Like how much
preparation do you do and what's the first thing that
you dive into to prepare?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, the preparation was endless. You know. Bob Dylan, as
I'm sure you guys will know, is a peculiar fellow
and his behaviors and his mannerisms, and he's an inward guy.
He's mysterious. That's why I was, you know, bringing up
these other names before that were sort of in my
worldview more forward facing entertainers. Bob was really a lyricist.
He's a Pulitzer Prize winning lyricist and thinker and writer
(05:44):
and poet. Really, so there's the aspect of getting the
behaviors down, how he carried himself, how he would carry
himself in situations with the women in his life, how
he carried himself with the press, studying all the footage
that was available. Most importantly was the music, getting the
music down. But that was almost the easiest part, in
the sense that I love this music. It was a
privilege and a joy to get to work on this.
(06:04):
And lastly is all the all the all the excavating
of stones that you know, when you get to act
at this level you have to do, like retracing his
footsteps through Madison, Wisconsin and Chicago, going to Minnesota where
he was born, and hibbing, and then Duluth, and spending
time in Minneapolis where he was in college for a
little bit, spending time in an area called dinky Town
in Minneapolis. Hey, man, that's just what it's called. Man,
(06:28):
that's just don't don't hit that swear button, Nenethe. It
just it just sounds a little unportantly. It just sounds
a little, you know, a little dinky town. But uh,
that's where he discovered folk music, you know. And so
I tried to do everything, but it was easy. This
didn't become work. At some point, I, like I said,
I love this artist and it's well worth it, you know.
I think we did a great job at the movie
(06:49):
spotlighting this great artist in this great period in American history.
No matter how boring that sounds. People the nineteen sixties,
you know, this was the time. Man, this was like.
And I'm I'm a child of hip hop. I grew
up on Elvis Durant and the z Morning Zoo Baby.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You know that's me. I'm the king of hip hop,
very straight, very strue, well not not, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I guess if I look at getting my fix, I would
I would scroll down to ninety seven point one and
all honesty.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But you know, but I hit the dumb button.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, I hit the dumb button right now. But Belvis,
I grew up with what was on the menu musically.
You know, I didn't listen to this sixty stuff because
my mom listened to show tunes and my dad listened
to old French classics. So I had a weird musical upbringing,
you know. So now I got to dad dive into
this music. And Bob Dylan was my gateway into you know,
stuff that's more obvious than it sounds, like the Beatles
(07:40):
or the Rolling Stones, or the Kinks or Jimmy Hendricks.
You know, Jimmy Hendrix was a massive fan of Bob,
so this was this was the ultimate education, you.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Know, Timothy shallowmey.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Of course, the movie A Complete Unknown, all about Bob Dylan,
and it's out December twenty fifth. He's alive right now,
saying what he's wants to say, obviously from London. Yes, Gandhi,
So you know you were with.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
This for five and a half years. You're studying somebody else.
And I heard that when you do these roles, part
of it always lives with you even after you're done.
Which parts have stuck with you?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I don't know. I feel like the whole experience stoke
with me. There's a part in a Bob Dylan documentary
called Don't Look Back. At the end he's just played
for the Queen of England and the Beatles and has
sold out sold out Royal Albert Hall, and then he's
kind of like smoking a cigarette and he turns to
his friends and he goes, I feel like I just
went through a thing, man, And that's like, that's the
best description of how I can how I can expect.
I really feel like I went through a thing. I've
(08:37):
never turned my phone off for the entirety of a shoot,
you know, I've never I've never sank into something. I
don't say it pretentiously. I don't say method acting blah
blah blah. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just
saying I had two and a half three months of
my life to play this guy and never get to
play him again. So I just went as hard as possible.
I went as fucking hit.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But but no, I just you know, it was transformative experience.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Man. I don't know what I took him. I don't
think I talked like him anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You know, I can't see you walking into the Starbuck.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Elvis. You got a good dealing, man, it went hard.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
I gave it.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You're good friends with Austin Butler, right, So I know
Austin Butler was saying how when he finished doing Elvis,
it was very hard to get out of that character.
So it wasn't as hard for you as it was
for him.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I guess maybe our processes are different. Austin is absolutely
brilliant in Elvis and one of my favorite things. And
Austin is such a lovely guy, so I don't think
he'd ever really be confrontational in him. But I remember
talking about it with him once and he's like, listen, man,
Like He's like, I know, I don't think he would
mind me saying that I know Elvis in and out,
Like you don't think if I really wanted to sound
(09:55):
like Elvis, I could sound like Elvis. This point being that,
you know, maybe some aspects had remained with him, but
like if he was going full Elvis like, we would
really know, you know what I mean? That wasn't as
funny as you guys as it was to me.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
No, no, no, I mean we're hanging on every single
word to.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Me, Hey, Elvis, Elvis, I love you, man.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And we love you.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I can't wait till you're here live in the studios
so we can spank your ass for saying the F word.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
By the way, word.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
There are so many chooes from all right.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So I'm just loving how we're now finding out preparing
for a complean unknown and Bob Dylan that this wasn't
an overnight prep I mean, you'd rolled out of Dune,
you'd rolled out of Wonka, and which is all amazing,
But to see you picking that guitar and singing, you're
singing live to a camera, right, and you're sounding like
(10:51):
this guy, I mean amazing. I mean, do you ever
watch any of your work and go, God, I'm fing fantastic.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
That's no, no, I appreciate it. But this, if you
want to talk about disconnect from something like Dune, is
so above my pay grade in the sense that it's
it's so meticulously well directed, it's it's operating on a
level cinematography wise and special effects wise, that what I
can watch that and really disconnecting the experience because it's
(11:18):
so beyond me in a sense, This Bob Dylan movie.
I was so well researched and so well versed and
so passionate about the material that whatever experience I had
doing it. I love the finished product and I'm super
proud of it, but it'll never compare to what I
went through actually shooting it. You know. The first time
I saw it, I had to realize it was a movie.
And I love it, but I feel like I went
(11:40):
through a like a biblical passage or something. I swear
I'm really not trying to use I'm not trying to
sound pretentious, and I'm not trying to be like one
of these actors who puffs up their own work, you know,
because I haven't talked about. And I love everything I've
been in, but this was the thing I spent five
and a half years working on. So honestly, when I
watched this, the one time I've watched this, can only
saw one final cut. I honestly still just honestly just
(12:02):
still see moments that I wish I could tinker with,
and because I would. This da Pennybaker documentary. Man, it's
one of the best music documentaries ever. If you love
music documentaries, don't look back. It is sort of like
the og rock and Roll documentary. You know. I just
see moments in our movie that line up with that,
and it makes me very excited. And then I see
(12:23):
moments where it doesn't line up, and I wish I
could tinker with things still, you know, But.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well it's done. Sorry, no tinkering, No tin going back
to a dinky town.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Look, thank you so much for spending time with us,
and I think you've having me on. It's so important
that people understand all the different genres of music that
have made us come to where we are now. With
the music we listen to today, folk music is sort
of the genres is kind of kicked to the side.
That people of today don't really understand, and I think
(12:56):
this film is going to help that. And the film
makes New York City look kick ass beautiful. I think
that's another great thing about this film. New York City
seems to be one of the stars of the show
and I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think it's great. So what do you do now?
I mean, what is it like?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Because we only have like a minute left with you.
What is it like now? Now that film's in the cans.
There's nothing you can do to change anything?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Is it all? What you're doing today with us is
all just on the road talking.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
About But this is seriously, it's an honor and it's
a joy to get to talk to you. And also
I wanted, like I said, I want to be a
bridge to this folk music. You know, folk music is
a man and a woman with a guitar. And what
Bob Dylan did in the sixties, which seems trivial now,
is he took old Irish ballads, he took old forms
of songwriter and he made them personalized. And you could
draw a line to all personalized music, from Lona del
(13:43):
Ray to hip hop to this moment in the sixties,
no matter how grand that sounds and it seems trivial
now to put music in the I am form, that's
to say I am going through this, or this person
broke my heart, or this is my point of view
on this. But Bob sort of had the avant garde
instinct to do that, you know. So this is the
part of the process I'm at in this movie. Now,
I'm putting it out. But I love talking to you
(14:04):
and I love hitting the streets. In lack of a
better sense to talk about this because I'm not pushing
some corporate selling point. I'm not pushing some corporate bottom line.
This is like, this is this is the real deal.
This is Bob Dylan. This is the music of the sixties.
And uh, and like I started the interview with, you know,
it's sort of an untapped period. It's sort of an
(14:25):
untapped period. And and uh, seeing artists like McGee explode,
now there is an ear for quote unquote like authentic music,
you know, stuff that's not hyper edited and hyper process.
People want to hear real stuff. You know. That's my opinion.
So uh, anyway, thank you for letting me come on
a big platform like this talking about this film. It's
(14:46):
an honor to talk to all of.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You, well, honor to speak with you, Timothy shallow May.
Of course when you're in New York City, we do
want you to come take pay a visit. And as
we leave you, I know you have to roll. We're
gonna we're gonna actually getna play like a rolling stone.
So everything and when you're you.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
This is like a rolling stone written by Bob Dylan.
Play me there you go, tim to.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Salome, thank you so much. You have a great day.
Thank you so much, great speaking ship. Absolutely wow, listen
to this. It sounds so good.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Right once upon a time you're just so fine through
the bumps of dime in your prime.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Been you.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
People call say't be lett out?
Speaker 8 (15:27):
You found a file? You thought they were out? Can you?
You used to laugh about.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Never let it up us hang it out?
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Now you don't talk so loud.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Now you don't seems so proud about having everything strounging your.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Next How does it do?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
How does filon even no direction?
Speaker 7 (16:22):
A compete like a run stop.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Precess on the steeple and all that pretty people are
drinking thinking that day God is made.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Exchanging our precious gifts.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
But you better take it down and drink.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You better punt it back.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Used to be.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
So mute and aposi and rags in the language that
he used.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
God is no cous cant you.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
We ain't got nothing, You got.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Nothing to lose.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
You're invisible value. You've got no secrets to conceal.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
A feel.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
At the feel to be aa were not to recks
home like a compete up.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Like a stove.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Wow, Timothy shallow May.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
That's him singing, by the way, it's incredible and playing harmonica,
plays a harmonica? What I mean, Hello, what a what
a great morning? I wish she didn't say F twice
the work.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I wish he said it three times.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Well, here's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
We do know that we have the unedited version in
the back, the computer that captures it without the dump
button thing, because when he said F, we had to
dump it, right. What can we get rid of this
stupid law?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yes, nice, let's do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
We're gonna find that. As soon as we have it,
we're gonna post it so you can listen to all
of it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
But my favorite is that you told him, you know,
after he said it the first time, he thought it
was okay to say it. We told him no, so
then he presumed make sure he said it again.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I love him. He was comfortable, Yes, he was very comfortab.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Anyway, So Timothy challameade is the movie, of course, A
Complete Unknown. It's out December twenty fifth. They call that
Christmas Day. Keep in mind. Uh, like a Rolling Stone
is one of the biggest rock songs of all time.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, so I hit it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I pushed play and we're listening to it here in
the studio. Nate says, Wow, that's a pretty.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Good song, you know what I mean, It's like one
of the biggest songs of all time like that. That's
it's kind of hold on him, kind of catching.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'm aware of the.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
History of Bob Dylan and like a Rolling Stone that's
being said. His version is great and I could actually
hear that being played.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Space.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We just played it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, it's okay, it's a it's a song, right, this song,
it's I think there's something he could be a hit.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Anyway, So, uh, that was awesome, you know. And at
the end of the day, what an actor.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Look at it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Everything Timothy Shallow make has been in Oh yeah, I
mean in these roles he just kind of he doesn't
kind of he just tremendously owns them.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I thought he was awesome and he's somebody that I
would love to come into studio because he has really
good energy.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah what do you Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, same thing. I wish he would come up here,
would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
There you go, And he's.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Only twenty eight and he's done all that.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Scary, scary. I hope you get some more done before
you're twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
A lot of people say, my oldest looks like him.
Oh really, That's why I can't say he's hot. I
can only say, oh, you know what he does?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
They do look away.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I'm like, no, he's a nice boy.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He looks like nice young man. All right, that was great,
What a great moment on our show. We do have
a free money phone tap worth a thousand dollars. Timothy
Shadow May grew up listening to phone taps.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's and his song, so think about it, even though
it's not really his song. Technically, his song just got
paid played on the radio station that he grew up
listening to.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like that's always should have said that, Yeah, can you
get back on the phone. Yeah, all right, your one
thousand dollars free money. Phone tap is on the way.
Let's get into the three things if you want, all right,
the three things we need to know from Gandhi?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
All right, Gandhi, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Pope Francis says there were two attempts on his life
during a twenty twenty one trip to Iraq. In his
upcoming autobiography, Hope, he writes that two suicide bombers, one
in a van, were on the way to Musoul to
attack during his visit. The attackers were intercepted and taken
out by Iraqi security forces. Pope Francis's visit to Iraq
was the first by a pontiff. Luigi Mangioni is facing
(21:29):
murder and terrorism charges in the killing of United Healthcare
CEO Brian Thompson. Mangioni is accused of killing him as
we know, into Manhattan Street earlier this month. The Manhattan
District Attorney's office announced Tuesday that Mangioni is charged with
one count of first degree murder in furtherance of terrorism
and two counts of second degree murder, including one as
an act of terrorism. District Attorney Alvin Bragg said that
(21:51):
the killing was intended to evoke terror. Mangioni, who is
in custody in Pennsylvania, faces life in prison if convicted.
And finally, the two NASA astronauts who have been stuck
on the International Space Station, we'll have to stay there
through March. Sodey Williams and Bush Wilmore flew to the
ISS on the Boeing Starliner's shaky first test flight in June.
(22:12):
The two intended to stay in space for just a
week before returning, but it's gonna end up being closer.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
To nine months.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
WHOA, I can't even imagine what that does to you
and your body, my mental health. NASA has repeatedly pushed
back the launch of a SpaceX craft that will be
used to bring them home on Tuesday. Officials said that
the launch will be no earlier than the end of
March to allow more time to complete processing on the spacecraft.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And those are your three things, Thank you guy. Another
free money phone tap coming up next?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah, what is that? It's a major award.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
For the Elvis Duran in the Morning Show.
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Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge show. What's going on this time
of year.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We have our friends, we have our family, we have travel,
we have the food, we have cocktails.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We also have movies.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
You know, this is the time of year when all
the big ones roll out. Yeah, so there's a list,
isn't there. Isn't there a master list of all the
films that are coming out?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think, yeah, well, you know, starting before Thanksgiving is
when like they roll out all the big ones for
the holidays. And then you know, we've already had the
Wickeds of the world and like you know, mulwan Iu
and all that stuff, right, and then next year there's
another list. But this is the time when the you know,
the big holiday. But what is it called? Like got
the push the holiday push?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, there are many Christmases I recall, you know, we'll
we'll do our thing and okay, let's get out. We're
going We're gonna watch a film and that those are
my favorite favorite moments. I love those. Thanksgiving and Christmas. Well,
one of the films that everyone is talking about is
a complete unknown. It's coming out Christmas Day, of course,
all about Bob Dylan starring Timothy shallow May. We're gonna
talk to him just a moment about this character, Bob Dylan.
(01:03):
How do you do that? I mean, I feel like
such an intelligent d weep see seeing him do this
film is wow? Okay, yeah, this this actor is fantastic
and so many great things.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That we love.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Just with a name Timothy Schallamy. He had to be famous,
like that's just a famous name, you know. It really
just is Timothy Shallamy.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
This is Bob Dylan. Wasn't like I didn't. It's not
a name. It should be famous. No, wait, is that Timothy? Timothy?
Is that you? Are you eavesdropping on our conversation?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I'm here? Can they see me?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We can see you, We can see you, so stay
dressed if you will.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Fantastic. Nice, Nice to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Guys, Good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know you're in London, but we're in New York.
How long did you live in New York earlier in
your life?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Me? Man, I grew up listening to you. I grew
up listening on the way Elvis Durant in the Z
morning Zook. I don't know if it's to say that
is it the same? Is it the same? Uh? Title?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We got rid of the zoo part.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Well, listen what I honor to be on here. Listen
at seven twenty if I'm correct, at seven twenty am sharp.
You used to do the prank calls. My dad and
I would listen. But sometimes you guys veer into quote
unquote vulgar territories. When my dad would say, you know something,
I couldn't listen to it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh really, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's kind of funny because our kids, they will purposefully
stay away from their parents during those they call them
phone taps, and they were very Now we're vulgar all
four hours.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
We don't just do it so perfect perfect. Let's get
into it. Go ahead, No, I don't want to get
into it. You what we're gonna say?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Oh you will?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You see, we just had to push the button. You
can't you.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Know, We're just we're just pushing the edge.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm sure we are are.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, rights, you can say whatever we want, right.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
No, No, you can't.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Serious.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
By the way, we just had to push the dump button.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
We're back in that vulgar Yeah. Okay, you know we're
gonna we're gonna pull it back. Pg. Thirteen.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I first of all, we were so lucky to see
a complete unknown, which is out Christmas Day, by the way,
and to watch you do what you do is pretty amazing.
I don't think he'll ever be as amazed as we
are watching any human being be able to pull off
what you did with this Bob Dylan character.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
With Bob Dylan, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well. I have five and a half years to work
on this, and you know, I was supposed to shoot
it four years ago than the pandemic hit. Then I
was supposed to shoot it a year and a half
ago when the actors strike hit. So I just had
a lot of time to sit with this material, a
lot of time to play the guitar, play the harmonica,
bother everyone in my life with my Bob Dylan singing.
But I think I think the work was worth in.
Bob Dylan, as you I'm sure known many of your listeners,
(03:46):
is a Titanic artist. He's one of the most influential
artists in American history. So I want to do justice
to this guy. And I'm prideful about the character because
when you think about Elvis Presley or Mick Jagger, Paul
McCartney or John Lennon, these kind of tightens of the
of the sixties. They're not elusive figures in the sense
that we know what there, we know what their faces
look like, we know what their interviews look like. But
Bob Dylan is such a mysterious figure. I think to
(04:07):
my generation, you know, a lot of people know the
name is iconic, but they don't necessarily know the face.
They don't necessarily know the music. Right, So I want
like a humble bridge to this period and to this,
to this music.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So you must beel somewhat grateful that you had writer
strikes in pandemics. It gave you longer to learn how
to finger pick your guitar and play harmonica and saying
and sound like Bob Dylan.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I mean, listen, the time was an absolute blessing. I'm
not going to say the pandemic was a blessing for
my role, because I think a lot of people would go,
wait a second, this kid is out of his mind.
That was the worst time in our in our modern history.
But you know, so you know anyway, but uh, you know, yeah,
it gave me. It just gave me a ton of time.
(04:53):
I'll never get this much time to work on a
role ever again, you know, five and a half years.
But this this artist is worth it, This man is
worth and we wanted to do him justice and also
do justice to the fans of Bob Dylan's work. That
wouldn't feel like we committed an act of blasphemy, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, what goes into something like that when you're actually
playing a real life character, not just you know, like
you know, a character that's made up, Like how much
preparation do you do and what's the first thing that
you dive into to prepare?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, the preparation was endless. You know. Bob Dylan, as
I'm sure you guys will know, is a peculiar fellow
and his behaviors and his mannerisms, and he's an inward guy.
He's mysterious. That's why I was, you know, bringing up
these other names before that were sort of in my
worldview more forward facing entertainers. Bob was really a lyricist.
He's a Pulitzer Prize winning lyricist and thinker and writer
(05:44):
and poet. Really, so there's the aspect of getting the
behaviors down, how he carried himself, how he would carry
himself in situations with the women in his life, how
he carried himself with the press, studying all the footage
that was available. Most importantly was the music, getting the
music down. But that was almost the easiest part, in
the sense that I love this music. It was a
privilege and a joy to get to work on this.
(06:04):
And lastly is all the all the all the excavating
of stones that you know, when you get to act
at this level you have to do, like retracing his
footsteps through Madison, Wisconsin and Chicago, going to Minnesota where
he was born, and hibbing, and then Duluth, and spending
time in Minneapolis where he was in college for a
little bit, spending time in an area called dinky Town
in Minneapolis. Hey, man, that's just what it's called. Man,
(06:28):
that's just don't don't hit that swear button, Nenethe. It
just it just sounds a little unportantly. It just sounds
a little, you know, a little dinky town. But uh,
that's where he discovered folk music, you know. And so
I tried to do everything, but it was easy. This
didn't become work. At some point, I, like I said,
I love this artist and it's well worth it, you know.
I think we did a great job at the movie
(06:49):
spotlighting this great artist in this great period in American history.
No matter how boring that sounds. People the nineteen sixties,
you know, this was the time. Man, this was like.
And I'm I'm a child of hip hop. I grew
up on Elvis Durant and the z Morning Zoo Baby.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You know that's me. I'm the king of hip hop,
very straight, very strue, well not not, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
I guess if I look at getting my fix, I would
I would scroll down to ninety seven point one and
all honesty.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But you know, but I hit the dumb button.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, I hit the dumb button right now. But Belvis,
I grew up with what was on the menu musically.
You know, I didn't listen to this sixty stuff because
my mom listened to show tunes and my dad listened
to old French classics. So I had a weird musical upbringing,
you know. So now I got to dad dive into
this music. And Bob Dylan was my gateway into you know,
stuff that's more obvious than it sounds, like the Beatles
(07:40):
or the Rolling Stones, or the Kinks or Jimmy Hendricks.
You know, Jimmy Hendrix was a massive fan of Bob,
so this was this was the ultimate education, you.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Know, Timothy shallowmey.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Of course, the movie A Complete Unknown, all about Bob Dylan,
and it's out December twenty fifth. He's alive right now,
saying what he's wants to say, obviously from London. Yes, Gandhi,
So you know you were with.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
This for five and a half years. You're studying somebody else.
And I heard that when you do these roles, part
of it always lives with you even after you're done.
Which parts have stuck with you?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I don't know. I feel like the whole experience stoke
with me. There's a part in a Bob Dylan documentary
called Don't Look Back. At the end he's just played
for the Queen of England and the Beatles and has
sold out sold out Royal Albert Hall, and then he's
kind of like smoking a cigarette and he turns to
his friends and he goes, I feel like I just
went through a thing, man, And that's like, that's the
best description of how I can how I can expect.
I really feel like I went through a thing. I've
(08:37):
never turned my phone off for the entirety of a shoot,
you know, I've never I've never sank into something. I
don't say it pretentiously. I don't say method acting blah
blah blah. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just
saying I had two and a half three months of
my life to play this guy and never get to
play him again. So I just went as hard as possible.
I went as fucking hit.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But but no, I just you know, it was transformative experience.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Man. I don't know what I took him. I don't
think I talked like him anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You know, I can't see you walking into the Starbuck.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Elvis. You got a good dealing, man, it went hard.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
I gave it.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You're good friends with Austin Butler, right, So I know
Austin Butler was saying how when he finished doing Elvis,
it was very hard to get out of that character.
So it wasn't as hard for you as it was
for him.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I guess maybe our processes are different. Austin is absolutely
brilliant in Elvis and one of my favorite things. And
Austin is such a lovely guy, so I don't think
he'd ever really be confrontational in him. But I remember
talking about it with him once and he's like, listen, man,
Like He's like, I know, I don't think he would
mind me saying that I know Elvis in and out,
Like you don't think if I really wanted to sound
(09:55):
like Elvis, I could sound like Elvis. This point being that,
you know, maybe some aspects had remained with him, but
like if he was going full Elvis like, we would
really know, you know what I mean? That wasn't as
funny as you guys as it was to me.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
No, no, no, I mean we're hanging on every single
word to.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Me, Hey, Elvis, Elvis, I love you, man.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And we love you.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I can't wait till you're here live in the studios
so we can spank your ass for saying the F word.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
By the way, word.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
There are so many chooes from all right.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So I'm just loving how we're now finding out preparing
for a complean unknown and Bob Dylan that this wasn't
an overnight prep I mean, you'd rolled out of Dune,
you'd rolled out of Wonka, and which is all amazing,
But to see you picking that guitar and singing, you're
singing live to a camera, right, and you're sounding like
(10:51):
this guy, I mean amazing. I mean, do you ever
watch any of your work and go, God, I'm fing fantastic.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
That's no, no, I appreciate it. But this, if you
want to talk about disconnect from something like Dune, is
so above my pay grade in the sense that it's
it's so meticulously well directed, it's it's operating on a
level cinematography wise and special effects wise, that what I
can watch that and really disconnecting the experience because it's
(11:18):
so beyond me in a sense, This Bob Dylan movie.
I was so well researched and so well versed and
so passionate about the material that whatever experience I had
doing it. I love the finished product and I'm super
proud of it, but it'll never compare to what I
went through actually shooting it. You know. The first time
I saw it, I had to realize it was a movie.
And I love it, but I feel like I went
(11:40):
through a like a biblical passage or something. I swear
I'm really not trying to use I'm not trying to
sound pretentious, and I'm not trying to be like one
of these actors who puffs up their own work, you know,
because I haven't talked about. And I love everything I've
been in, but this was the thing I spent five
and a half years working on. So honestly, when I
watched this, the one time I've watched this, can only
saw one final cut. I honestly still just honestly just
(12:02):
still see moments that I wish I could tinker with,
and because I would. This da Pennybaker documentary. Man, it's
one of the best music documentaries ever. If you love
music documentaries, don't look back. It is sort of like
the og rock and Roll documentary. You know. I just
see moments in our movie that line up with that,
and it makes me very excited. And then I see
(12:23):
moments where it doesn't line up, and I wish I
could tinker with things still, you know, But.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well it's done. Sorry, no tinkering, No tin going back
to a dinky town.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Look, thank you so much for spending time with us,
and I think you've having me on. It's so important
that people understand all the different genres of music that
have made us come to where we are now. With
the music we listen to today, folk music is sort
of the genres is kind of kicked to the side.
That people of today don't really understand, and I think
(12:56):
this film is going to help that. And the film
makes New York City look kick ass beautiful. I think
that's another great thing about this film. New York City
seems to be one of the stars of the show
and I love it.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think it's great. So what do you do now?
I mean, what is it like?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Because we only have like a minute left with you.
What is it like now? Now that film's in the cans.
There's nothing you can do to change anything?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Is it all? What you're doing today with us is
all just on the road talking.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
About But this is seriously, it's an honor and it's
a joy to get to talk to you. And also
I wanted, like I said, I want to be a
bridge to this folk music. You know, folk music is
a man and a woman with a guitar. And what
Bob Dylan did in the sixties, which seems trivial now,
is he took old Irish ballads, he took old forms
of songwriter and he made them personalized. And you could
draw a line to all personalized music, from Lona del
(13:43):
Ray to hip hop to this moment in the sixties,
no matter how grand that sounds and it seems trivial
now to put music in the I am form, that's
to say I am going through this, or this person
broke my heart, or this is my point of view
on this. But Bob sort of had the avant garde
instinct to do that, you know. So this is the
part of the process I'm at in this movie. Now,
I'm putting it out. But I love talking to you
(14:04):
and I love hitting the streets. In lack of a
better sense to talk about this because I'm not pushing
some corporate selling point. I'm not pushing some corporate bottom line.
This is like, this is this is the real deal.
This is Bob Dylan. This is the music of the sixties.
And uh, and like I started the interview with, you know,
it's sort of an untapped period. It's sort of an
(14:25):
untapped period. And and uh, seeing artists like McGee explode,
now there is an ear for quote unquote like authentic music,
you know, stuff that's not hyper edited and hyper process.
People want to hear real stuff. You know. That's my opinion.
So uh, anyway, thank you for letting me come on
a big platform like this talking about this film. It's
(14:46):
an honor to talk to all of.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You, well, honor to speak with you, Timothy shallow May.
Of course when you're in New York City, we do
want you to come take pay a visit. And as
we leave you, I know you have to roll. We're
gonna we're gonna actually getna play like a rolling stone.
So everything and when you're you.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
This is like a rolling stone written by Bob Dylan.
Play me there you go, tim to.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Salome, thank you so much. You have a great day.
Thank you so much, great speaking ship. Absolutely wow, listen
to this. It sounds so good.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Right once upon a time you're just so fine through
the bumps of dime in your prime.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Been you.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
People call say't be lett out?
Speaker 8 (15:27):
You found a file? You thought they were out? Can you?
You used to laugh about.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Never let it up us hang it out?
Speaker 8 (15:45):
Now you don't talk so loud.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Now you don't seems so proud about having everything strounging your.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Next How does it do?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
How does filon even no direction?
Speaker 7 (16:22):
A compete like a run stop.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Precess on the steeple and all that pretty people are
drinking thinking that day God is made.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Exchanging our precious gifts.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
But you better take it down and drink.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You better punt it back.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Used to be.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
So mute and aposi and rags in the language that
he used.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
God is no cous cant you.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
We ain't got nothing, You got.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Nothing to lose.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
You're invisible value. You've got no secrets to conceal.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
A feel.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
At the feel to be aa were not to recks
home like a compete up.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Like a stove.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Wow, Timothy shallow May.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
That's him singing, by the way, it's incredible and playing harmonica,
plays a harmonica? What I mean, Hello, what a what
a great morning? I wish she didn't say F twice
the work.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I wish he said it three times.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Well, here's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
We do know that we have the unedited version in
the back, the computer that captures it without the dump
button thing, because when he said F, we had to
dump it, right. What can we get rid of this
stupid law?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yes, nice, let's do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
We're gonna find that. As soon as we have it,
we're gonna post it so you can listen to all
of it.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
But my favorite is that you told him, you know,
after he said it the first time, he thought it
was okay to say it. We told him no, so
then he presumed make sure he said it again.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I love him. He was comfortable, Yes, he was very comfortab.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Anyway, So Timothy challameade is the movie, of course, A
Complete Unknown. It's out December twenty fifth. They call that
Christmas Day. Keep in mind. Uh, like a Rolling Stone
is one of the biggest rock songs of all time.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, so I hit it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I pushed play and we're listening to it here in
the studio. Nate says, Wow, that's a pretty.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Good song, you know what I mean, It's like one
of the biggest songs of all time like that. That's
it's kind of hold on him, kind of catching.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'm aware of the.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
History of Bob Dylan and like a Rolling Stone that's
being said. His version is great and I could actually
hear that being played.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Space.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
We just played it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, it's okay, it's a it's a song, right, this song,
it's I think there's something he could be a hit.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Anyway, So, uh, that was awesome, you know. And at
the end of the day, what an actor.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Look at it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Everything Timothy Shallow make has been in Oh yeah, I
mean in these roles he just kind of he doesn't
kind of he just tremendously owns them.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
What do you think?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I thought he was awesome and he's somebody that I
would love to come into studio because he has really
good energy.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah what do you Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah, same thing. I wish he would come up here,
would be awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
There you go, And he's.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Only twenty eight and he's done all that.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Scary, scary. I hope you get some more done before
you're twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
A lot of people say, my oldest looks like him.
Oh really, That's why I can't say he's hot. I
can only say, oh, you know what he does?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
They do look away.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I'm like, no, he's a nice boy.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
He looks like nice young man. All right, that was great,
What a great moment on our show. We do have
a free money phone tap worth a thousand dollars. Timothy
Shadow May grew up listening to phone taps.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's and his song, so think about it, even though
it's not really his song. Technically, his song just got
paid played on the radio station that he grew up
listening to.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like that's always should have said that, Yeah, can you
get back on the phone. Yeah, all right, your one
thousand dollars free money. Phone tap is on the way.
Let's get into the three things if you want, all right,
the three things we need to know from Gandhi?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
All right, Gandhi, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Pope Francis says there were two attempts on his life
during a twenty twenty one trip to Iraq. In his
upcoming autobiography, Hope, he writes that two suicide bombers, one
in a van, were on the way to Musoul to
attack during his visit. The attackers were intercepted and taken
out by Iraqi security forces. Pope Francis's visit to Iraq
was the first by a pontiff. Luigi Mangioni is facing
(21:29):
murder and terrorism charges in the killing of United Healthcare
CEO Brian Thompson. Mangioni is accused of killing him as
we know, into Manhattan Street earlier this month. The Manhattan
District Attorney's office announced Tuesday that Mangioni is charged with
one count of first degree murder in furtherance of terrorism
and two counts of second degree murder, including one as
an act of terrorism. District Attorney Alvin Bragg said that
(21:51):
the killing was intended to evoke terror. Mangioni, who is
in custody in Pennsylvania, faces life in prison if convicted.
And finally, the two NASA astronauts who have been stuck
on the International Space Station, we'll have to stay there
through March. Sodey Williams and Bush Wilmore flew to the
ISS on the Boeing Starliner's shaky first test flight in June.
(22:12):
The two intended to stay in space for just a
week before returning, but it's gonna end up being closer.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
To nine months.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
WHOA, I can't even imagine what that does to you
and your body, my mental health. NASA has repeatedly pushed
back the launch of a SpaceX craft that will be
used to bring them home on Tuesday. Officials said that
the launch will be no earlier than the end of
March to allow more time to complete processing on the spacecraft.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And those are your three things, Thank you guy. Another
free money phone tap coming up next?
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