On today’s MKD, we start the week off discussing an online fundraiser for Luigi Mangione's legal defense.
In celebrity news, we cover the death of a Kansas City Super Bowl Reporter and Christy Carlson Romano getting shot in the face while celebrating her husband's birthday.
Turning to freak accidents and true crime, we get into jets colliding on a runway, a tragic junior drag race accident, a woman killed by lightning shrapnel, Erik Menendez playing tennis against Robert Kardashian, and a dead man found with fingernails stuck in his chest.
Lastly, in medical news, we talk about an anal surgeon's wiping warning, an obese woman taken to the hospital on a tow truck, and a cop who mistook a woman's medical emergency for intoxication.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get
started with the story of the day. We have an
update about Luigi Mangioni, who is the twenty six year
old that killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. So of
course there's been a lot of controversy because people are
really in support of him killing this guy. And now
there has been this fundraiser online to raise money for
(00:43):
his legal defense, and it's over three hundred thousand dollars
right now, So I guess that there's a committee that
has put forth this GoFundMe type of page to collect
this money for him. It's actually weird that's that that's
legally a lot. Did they do that for other criminals too,
that you could have a fund that people are supporting
(01:05):
online while you're in jail.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, I guess it depends on what platform this is,
because I personally don't think GoFundMe would allow this. This
is on a program, This on a website called give
Send Go. It's the same theory, it's the same thing,
but I guess it just depends on whatever company wants
to allow what they're gonna do. I also would think
(01:29):
this isn't allowed. I also think it wouldn't be legal
for the lawyer to accept this money, but apparently that's
what's happening. So I'm curious how this is gonna go down.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think it's weird that people are so willing to
fight for this cause and give money for it because
this guy actually has his own money.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, that is a good point you bring up. I
didn't really think about that before that. He came from
this really wealthy family, but.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Like multi millionaires, So that's you know, if you're a
person that is against the system and you believe in
this healthcare is totally taking advantage of people and responsible
for people's death and everything, then you should you would
think that you would also you know, oh, they're all
for profit this and that. Well, this guy is from
(02:23):
a lot of money too. He doesn't seem at this
point that he was even directly affected by any of this,
so it's not like, I don't know, do you think
do you think that you'd have a little bit more
sympathy if it was like a forty five year old
dad who lost his kid to cancer because the kid
couldn't get cancer, and he was like a mechanic or
(02:43):
something you have, you'd have almost a little bit more
passion to be like, I understand why this guy did this,
but in this case, he just was doing it as
as a statement rather than because it was directly affecting him.
And in my personal opinion, you could justify ninety five
percents of the murders that happen in this country if
(03:06):
you really wanted to say, oh, that person did something
shitty and deserve to die, and we can't live in
a society like that or else it's going to be
okay to kill whoever we want that we don't think
is doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, I agree with that. I I am curious how
they are going to find a jury that's one hundred
percent non biased towards the healthcare system because it is
obviously very flawed.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It doesn't make it justified why he killed this guy.
And of course the main argument is like, well, this
CEO killed way more people by his fucked up policies
than Luigi did by killing him. And I understand all
of that, but we can't be taking the law. You
could literally say that about every single politician that's ever existed,
(03:52):
and the people involved with COVID for example, and.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
All of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's just like, yeah, all of these people totally suck.
But we can't have citizens going out and handling it
like this because once you say that this is okay,
then there's going to be someone next. And you know,
I think that it's definitely worth having a conversation that
this affects people. Literally this morning, Maria is having problems
(04:20):
having coverage with healthcare and having to pay nine hundred
dollars every single time she needs to get some test done,
and shit like it affects everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I believe that's what I'm that says the thing about it.
This case is going to be problematic when it goes
to trial because he's pleaded not guilty, so it's going
to go forward a trial. But I think really with
healthcare in particular, it is something every single American has
an issue with, give or take. So I find it's
going to be incredibly hard to find a jury that
(04:50):
has not been personally affected in some sort of way.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I would just go as far as to say, though,
if you're going to blame the healthcare insurance companies, they're
private companies and they're trying to make money, so they're
gonna do whatever they can.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Don't you feel like it would be a step above that.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
The government is really the one that's in charge of
all of those rules and regulations and what they're allowed
to do and so forth. So it's it's not just
like you got rid of the bad guy and now
it's the end of the story. These like, literally, this
guy got killed months ago and we're still having problems
this morning, getting covered for shit. It didn't help anything,
(05:27):
It didn't make anything go away, it didn't change anything,
so whatever. I think the most impressive part of this story,
to be honest with you, is that this wasn't like
a couple donors had, you know, with a lot of money,
gave him money. There was ten thousand individual donors and
their average donation was only thirty dollars. And ten thousand
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people is a ton of people.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, of course it is. And when you go through
I don't know if you went on the actual website,
but I was looking through it, and everybody has a
message of support for him that's donated obviously, and people
aren't even doing it anonymously. They're happy to put their
name on the donation.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, it's it's just a it's a very interesting it's
a very interesting case, and I am very excited to
see the trial of it and what the average person
thinks about it, because I certainly I don't agree with
with just murdering people that you think are doing the
wrong thing, because that's why we have the justice system.
(06:27):
And listen, like, I know the justice system totally sucks
to but there has to be some kind of laws
and regulations otherwise, like shit's going to hit the fan
and be terrible. So that's why I'm in general just
not for this, although I completely agree that it's it's
a terrible situation we're in here anyway.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, And I think a couple other interesting points about
this case, because I don't think we've talked about it
in a while, is he's in the same jail right
now as Ditty, and his defense attorney is married to
Ditty's de attorney, So I think that's really interesting dynamic.
He's also in jail with Sam Bankman Freed, who was
the FTX founder that got sued recently. So I think
(07:11):
it's interesting thinking of all these different people in prison,
and it makes me think of how the Menendas brothers
and OJ crossed over temporarily, and they said they did interact,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Just, oh, we're gonna talk about you saying that the
Menanda's brothers a little bit later in this episode. But
let's get into celebrity news and start with the big
story of the week, which was the super Bowl, which
you at a party we went over.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was nice. I mean, I don't like football, but
it was a nice evening. Well, well, let me just
say we were only like, okay, we're gonna have two friends,
and then my father in law over and then we
I obviously want you guys here, but you know, my
husband's like a psycho and superstitious, and he was just like,
I guess the last super Bowl you left after the
third quarter, and then he blamed you for why they
(07:58):
left or for why they lost that year, so.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Which she was like, well, listen, now, two years ago,
my children we were like eight and nine years old.
So at nine o'clock at night on a Sunday night,
when they have school the next day, I had to
leave to put them to bed. I don't think it's
unreasonable that I left in the middle of the game,
but I understand, so I and it was fine because
(08:21):
it was thought. I thought the game was was entertaining.
There was a lot of you know, watching the show,
eating food everything, so it was it was good. We
didn't have a problem. You know, we didn't get home
till almost eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Though. Yeah, you were allowed to come, but you weren't
allowed to leave, and you definitely couldn't be late. So
my one friend Sam made it right at the last
second because I was gonna be like, you can't come
in otherwise because he was being crazy about it. But
the Eagles won the Super Bowl. Anyway, leading up to it,
there's like, I guess the players get there about a
week or probably ten days early to start getting acclimated
(08:58):
and practice and everything. But report also there all week
doing media covered for it. And this one Kansas City
sports reporter, his name's Adn Manzano. He was in New
Orleans reporting on the Super Bowl last week and tragically died.
It wasn't really obvious what happened to him at first,
but then weird details started coming out that there was
(09:18):
surveillance of this woman going in his hotel room and
she came out alone, and then he was found dead
shortly after that, and apparently she has a history of
doing these really shady things with men and drugs and
stealing their you know, phones, their credit cards, and I
guess this one just went a little too far and
he died.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So it seems like this guy, this guy already has
this terrible tragedy that happened to him. Was that less
than a year ago, his wife died in a car
accident and they had a baby together that's only two
years old. So I guess I don't know what the
deal is with this woman. Is she like a sex worker?
Is she was she his girlfriend? Don't really say what
(10:02):
her involvement was, but there's definitely video footage of them
together in this hotel, And ever since she's been named
as being involved with this story, all of these people
are coming out of the woodwork now saying that she
tried to do a similar thing to them, which is crazy. Yeah,
So it's like they're obviously, you know, still doing an
(10:24):
investigation and pending toxicology because that typically takes a couple
of weeks to come back, right, Yeah, that, I mean,
it just depends what medical Examiner's office is doing it
and where they're sending the testing out to. But yeah,
that could take that could take a little while to
come back. And you know what, honestly, it's possible. They
do a quick talks at autopsy, which is they take
(10:47):
urine directly out of the bladder and they do they
check for the major drugs like opioids and cocaine, and
there's a couple they could do, so they might already
know that it was positive. But I don't believe some
I personally think because of what you're hearing from the
other stories that it seems as if this woman is
(11:08):
slipping something in someone's drink. I would say that it's
probably a drug like Rufie's or rhypnol. That is, it's
a benzo diazepine similar to xanax. It's in that group
of drugs, but when you give it to someone it
dissolves in a drink number one and number two. It
could make them with all the other symptoms that come
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with being on a XENX type drug. It also comes
with amnesia, meaning that the person could take it and
doesn't even know that. They don't remember the entire night,
which is why it's often referred to as the date rape.
Drug because it kind of erases people's memory in a way.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, it is weird that, you know, all these stories
are coming out and you have to be thinking, like, well,
how is if this is known information and people were
so easily to connect their cases to her, why is
she not in jail. It seems like she was convicted
in October of computer fraud and theft, and then she
was supposed to be sentenced behind bars, but then the
(12:09):
judge instead ordered her to pay restitution and be on
probation for five years, and then she obviously just keeps
going out and doing the same thing. So when they
saw her on this surveillance video and then they find
this guy dead, they go to her house to question
her about it, and then they find his cell phone
in his credit cards, which obviously seems extremely suspicious. And
(12:29):
then of course we know all these other men are
coming forward saying she did the same thing to them
and stole all their information. But it doesn't seem like
she actually killed anybody else. And I guess she still
allegedly may have killed this guy, but it's not looking
really good for her.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So well, this is the thing too. A lot of
people get this date rape drug one of it happened
to one of my friends when we were in Las Vegas.
Believe it or not, that she had something like this
slipped in or drink.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It was. It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But it's a drug, right, So if this guy was
on any kind of other medications, or if he was
drinking alcohol, it's a central nervous system depressant, so it
could turn off the respiratory centers in your brain and
it could kill you. So that and the dosage and everything,
you don't know what a person can handle or not.
So they'll be able to tell that when they do
(13:17):
the toxicology. Like I was saying earlier, the quick toxicology
wouldn't routinely look for a drug like this, so they're
going to have to do a more further in depth
one to check to see if there was any kind
of other illegal drugs in a system that could have
been slipped in a drink like that.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, all right. This next case Chrissy Carlson Ramano. She
is an actress most famous for being in Even Stevens
and she is the voice of Kim Possible. Those were
kind of shows when I was around the girl's age.
You know where this person is I know the voice
of Kim Possible because I really, oh, that's a card
show all the time. Yeah, okay, so I didn't recognize
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her face like right when we started reading the article,
but I definitely know who she is now that I know.
But her and her husband were out celebrating for his
birthday and they were shooting clay pigeons and suddenly in
the middle of this, she gets shot in the eye.
And it seems that this other group that was where
they were celebrating shot in the wrong direction and struck her.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So typically if you do clay pigeon, do you know
what that is?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah? I do. And I called Louis to see what
gun you would use for that, and he said you
would most often shoot with a shotgun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So for those of you listening, I don't really understand
what it is. It's these these clay saucers. They're usually
made of a mixture of pulverized limestone rock or something,
but they're almost shaped like a really shallow bowl and
they're shot up into the air with this machine that
it kind of mimics what it would be like if
you were actually trying.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
To shoot a bird.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And people do it as a sport, and people also
do it as a hobby. So if you're going to
a place to do this, like some sort of shooting
range that has the ability to shoot clay pigeons, it's
usually safe because there's all these regulations as far as
where people need to stand and just how to make
the environment more safe, especially when you have multiple people
(15:11):
shooting at one time. But a lot of people, especially
people that have really large properties and stuff, they do
it in their backyard or something, and then that's when
you could have problems with these things. So not only
just shooting at the clay pigeon could cause the clay
pigeon to shatter and the pieces can hurt you, but
also there could be problems with people not shooting in
(15:34):
the right direction like in this case, and you could
also have the ammunition ricocheting off of something, which is
more than likely what happened in her case, but.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You can get serious.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Either one of those things though, would cause serious eye injuries,
So it makes sense that you should definitely be wearing
eye protection when you're doing something like this. I'm assuming
she wasn't, just because of where the pellet looks like
it hit her face. She has a black eye and
a very specific shot of where it hit her.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I was thinking about that though, because it's in kind
of a weird spot on her cheek. So I was
thinking of, like, I'm looking at your glasses right now,
for example, right, and the edge of your glasses goes
to approximately the area where it looks like it hit
her cheek. But sometimes safety goggles I don't think go
down that far in your face. Well, it depends what
(16:25):
kind you wear.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And even with wearing glasses like this, I mean, things
could get underneath of them if it's at the right angle.
But so let me explain this to you because this
might make more sense. So when you shoot, when you
use a shotgun and you're trying to shoot a bird,
you use this ammunition called bird shot, which is not
what a person would think of as a classic bullet, right.
(16:48):
It's this casing that's plastic. It's pretty big, and it's
filled with little tiny bebies inside of it. So when
you shoot from a distance, they disperse, which would make
it easier to shoot something a moving target like that.
These little tiny bebes disperse everywhere depending on how far
away you're standing. So she didn't get shot with because
(17:11):
the articles are all saying a bullet, it's not a bullet.
It's essentially like she got shot with a beby or
a few of them from this bird shot, because she
it seems as if she has one embedded behind her eye,
but they were able to get one out. Possibly, So
when you look at X ray imaging from a person
that got shot with bird shot, depending on how far
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away they were standing, you could see like hundreds of
little tiny bebes in their body dispersed throughout their body
if they just depending on how far away they were.
But this person was clearly far away enough or she
wasn't in the direct angle of all of them coming
out that she only got hit with two of them,
because these cartridges are usually filled with lots of different
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little bebies, so she didn't get a direct hit by
a basic. But the thing is is when you look
at the entry point of one of them, it is
right under her eye, Like if it just was a
few inches above it, she could have really lost her
eye and possibly even worse. So she's really lucky that
she survived, and she's lucky that she's not blind right now.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, And it's it's kind of crazy because she was
saying that she's she's able to see totally okay right now,
but I guess there's still fragments left in her face,
but those are too risky to operate on because it
can affect her vision because.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
She's saying that it's behind her eye, and the optic
nerve that comes off of your brain that enervates your
eye and helps you see is right there, and they're
probably scared to go too close and fiddle around with
it because right now they're just going to keep an
eye on it and say, if it's not affecting her
vision and it's not her body, I mean, her body
will probably have a reaction to it because it's a
(18:52):
foreign material and that could be a potential surgery down
the road. But at this point they could just keep
an eye on it. I mean, I did an autopsy
once on someone who was shot in Vietnam, and they
were an old man that had a bullet in his
hip still from when he got shot. People have them
in their body all the time. As long as it's
sitting there and not bothering anything, they'll just leave it alone. Yeah, Okay,
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freak accidents all right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yesterday, as scottsdel Arizona. This private jet owned by Motley
Cruz singer Vince Neil hit another plane on the runway
when it landed, and now one person is dead. What
is going on with all the Aviasian accidents. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think I think, like obviously it's the same with everything.
We're hearing a lot about it, but I feel like
little planes always have issues, and like we just don't
really even care about it. It's just like now it's
on our radar because of the two really bad ones
that just happened a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
But well, really since the beginning of the year, we
didn't even really discuss these, but there was like major
issues in South Korea and Russia, and then we had
the one in DC, then we had the one in Philly.
Now we have this. Also, we didn't even touch on
a passenger plane with ten people went missing in Alaska
last week and they just found the remnants of that.
(20:12):
And also at the Seattle Airport last week, two commercial
I think I think it was two commercial airliners clipped
each other's wings while taxi. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I still think if you especially because of that one
that just happened in DC. You were seeing all this
footage of the air what the air traffic controller was
seeing at the time, like all of these planes that
were arriving and leaving at the airport. And I look
at that and I'm like, how are there not more accidents?
There are so many planes out at one time, it's
(20:44):
kind of amazing that they don't crash more often.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
To be honest with you, I mean even last night
when I was driving home from your house and it's
like darker out, you can see the planes more, obviously
because you could see their lights, but there was at
least three or four that looked like they were about
to land Philly Airport.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, they're all they all stand in a line. It's
so crazy when remember that day we were leaving Manhattan
and driving back home towards Newark Airport and.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You almost crashed the car because they were like this
plate So.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
The plane I literally like skimmed the top of my car.
That's how close it gets to the highway. But remember
us looking just miles down the road and seeing them
all lined up, like it's it's crazy that you could
see it better when it's dark out or dusk out
and it's just when you think about the amount of
flights that happened a day, it's it's really it's really
(21:34):
amazing that we could have a system that there's not
more of this stuff happening. And I almost don't even
count the little the little planes as much. I mean,
I just feel like you hear it so much. It's
more the commercial jetliner is the scary one, honestly.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I mean, that definitely is. It seems like there
was two pilots on this private plane. One of them died.
Did they confirm whether or not he died as a
result of the crash or did he have a medical
episode that caused the crash. He was the person that
was flying it. He was one of the two pilots
on the prime.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I don't really know what they said, what they said,
why it happened. I'm sure they don't even really know
that at this point. Yeah, so I'll do They'll do
an autopsy on them, and they'll figure that out because
they'll be able to see if he had a stroke
or or some kind of a heart attack or something
prior to crashing. So yeah, And the singer for Motley
(22:28):
Crue was not on the plane, but his girlfriend was
but she survived. Dogs on the plane survived. Everybody always
wants to know that, So it's all good there, all right.
In Tampa, this little girl who just turned seven was
drag racing, which apparently is allowed for children and is
a pretty big thing in this country. I didn't really
know that, but she had a horrible accident on the
(22:49):
raceway and she died. I never heard of this, and
I can't even believe this article is real. Here's something
children driving vehicles, junior drag racing with children five to
seventeen years old. Like you're literally letting a five year
old drive a fucking car and you're wondering how they
died in an accident. They justified that they only go
(23:09):
forty miles an hour. Forty miles an hour is fast
for a little body. Yes, they shouldn't even be in
the front seat at that age. This kid was in
first grade. Not the kid's not even really seven. She
just turned seven three days ago, so she's like a
like an old six year old first grader, And you're
telling me that this is okay to just put this
(23:29):
kid in the front of a car to drive.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's just so weird. It should be child abuse. Honestly,
I think it's weird because there, you know, people interviewed
for this article were just like, oh, it's just entry
level racing, and they have all the same equipment as
the big boys, including a helmet, glove, seatbelt. Yeah, it
worked really well, but good damn children. They're not adults.
So if they do get in a crash or something,
do you think they have the mindset yet to be like, oh,
(23:54):
I know what to do to get out of this.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
No, it's it's not even that they just their bones
aren't even hard in all the way yet, Like, it's
just it's just a ridiculous thing to even think of.
And their weight is that that's why they're not supposed
to be in the front seat of the car. They's
it's not because of just their ages, because of their weight.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's it's so and she hit an adult too.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Luckily that guy survived, But like, I just I really
can't wrap my brain around this. It's just it's it
has to be this exclusive American dumb bullshit that people
do as a tradition. It's just it's it's so outrageous.
I think they should be in trouble for child abuse
for a lot of kid do this honestly.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, because you know, I think they're trying to argue
that it's like relatively safe in a controlled environment, but like,
I don't really see a kid driving. It's not like
they're driving a full sized car, but they're driving a
vehicle that goes forty miles an hour, and that's fast
for not necessarily us driving on a regulated roadway, but
(24:55):
for a little kid on a racetrack that's really fast,
and clearly an accident has happened, so they need to
look into that and prevent it. Or just like I
agree with you, I don't think this should even exist
for kids that if you're a parent.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Of this child, you don't feel a little responsible for
allowing this to happen. It's just it's I feel like
this is a fake article.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well it's not a fake. It's very real organization. So
people are clearly I mean, it makes sense that this
is happening in Florida, but it really also seems like
it's happening all over the country. So I'm curious if
anybody has experienced with this, because it seems like there's
been multiple lawsuits at this venue for spectators getting hit
with flying parts from the races, but I don't know
(25:39):
if they've per se had a death of somebody so
young there before.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I just think, like, if you your kids want to
do outrageous shit like I understand in the article, or
like she loved, she died doing what she loved, and
it's like, yeah, my kid wants to go to the
mall by yourself. I'm not letting my little kid go
to the mall. Buyers, Like, if something happens, that's directly
my fault for letting her do something it's not age appropriate,
you know, yeah, or in the whatever. I just I'm
(26:06):
not going to ever agree.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
With it, all right. In Australia, a woman was in
her backyard when suddenly lightning struck her tree, causing the
tree to explode and then she got hit with wood
shrapnel and died. Yeah, So she was sitting back there
apparently with her friend. They were about nineteen feet away
from this large tree and it impaled her somewhere and
(26:27):
killed her on the spot. Her friend had one of
her fingers partially amputated and also fractured her jaw, but
the friend is still alive, although she's still in the
hospital in serious condition. It is kind of crazy because
usually when you think about lightning strikes, you think about
people getting electrocuted, and in this case it was from
blunt trauma due to shrapnel basically flying through the air well.
(26:51):
Another thing is they could like lightning strikes had also
caused fires too, Like they could sit. Is that good?
Like they could set a house a little fire and stuff. Yeah,
it just sucks because it's like, you know, a severe thunderstorm.
Those happen all the time. People get warnings for them
all the time. I don't think you think you're just
gonna be in your backyard hanging out and then this
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crazy thing is going to happen to you.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, the kids always call me a Karen all the
time because as soon as I it starts looking angry outside,
I'm like, get out of the pool, and they're like,
it's been raining at it's not even lightning. I didn't
even hear thunder And I'm like, I don't care, We're
not risking it. Just it's it's just like why, I, okay,
I might be a Karen. I don't let my kids
drive a car going forty miles an hour, and I
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don't let them in the pool during a thunderstorm.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But well, I was thinking of when Nicole and Bill
were over your house last summer and we were all
hanging out my backyard and it started. It started like,
you know, you could see lightning in the distance and
it was thundering a little bit. It didn't seem that bad.
What was that the night of the All Star Game
for MLB?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I think it was, remember, but that was the night
that the next our neighbor's tree fell and like totally
crushed her shed right near where we were sitting.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yes, so it starts picking up and we're like, all right,
we should probably go home now because it seemed like
it was going to be raining like that all night.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Ricky, you live ten minutes away. Nicole and Bill live
live in in New York.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
When we didn't they go back to their hotel in Philly, No,
I thought, Oh, I thought they went back to Oh
they were going back home because she had work the
next day. Yeah. Well, the ten minute drive from my
house was like post apocalyptic lightning and thunder and then
thank God, like right when I turned into my neighborhood,
the rain started, but it was totally blinding the rain,
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So I, you know, we all know I have extreme
weather anxiety. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
We make fun of Maria so bad. There's like this
little storage closet thing in her basement and we're always like.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Are you hiding in that?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Cause it'll you'll get an alert that says, okay, there's
a tornado watch or a tornado warning. And because tornadoes
do touch down near my house, they don't touch near
your house. There's a lot of your house, it's been
there since nineteen fifty. At least you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, but my neighbor down the street told me one
went down the other street only like ten years ago.
So I don't really like that. This episode is brought
to you by the Gross Room guys.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
This week we finished up our high profile death dissection
on the Karen Reid trial, and it is it's really good.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Actually, I honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Maria will say the same thing that we really didn't
pick up too much attention about it. I know, we
talked about it once on this show when she had
the hung jewelry and was going to get a retrial,
but we weren't really into it. And once we really
dug deep into it, it was really really good and
there's something shape going on there, so I think that
(30:01):
you should read our post. I go through the whole
autopsy and talk about why, what the prosecution said, what
the defense said, and even the comments as of this
morning are just great as far as you could really
see the split, like are you team prosecution or your
team defense? And it's just it's a really good environment
for us to talk about things. So it's for like
(30:24):
minded people that are into all of this morbid kind
of stuff but also want to learn about it. So
it's just a really cool place to be. Yeah, and
I think you brought up some really really interesting points
from looking at the autopsy that we haven't heard elsewhere,
So you guys are definitely going to head over to
the gross Room and check that out, because we're not
going to just spill all the tea on here. But yeah,
(30:47):
we got into some really good points and that was
definitely a difficult one to write up because there's just
so much going on, but we have it all broken
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for only five ninety nine for the month. Okay, true crime,
all right, So The newest season of The Kardashians premiered
(31:09):
last week, which nobody's really watching, but I guess they're
putting this article out to get some people interested in.
But Kim was talking to Chris about how the Ryan
Murphy series Monsters was going to be covering the Menendas
brother's case, and she went on to tell the kids
that Eric Menendez used to come over the house sometimes
and play tennis with Robert Kardashian in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Do you think that that is fucking bizarre? Yeah, because
he was a teenager.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I looked this up to see exactly how old
these people were. So Rob Kardashian he's the for those
of you who don't know, he's the dad of all
of these Kardashians. But also he was the defense attorney
for OJ Simpson, which is how he got in pop culture.
(32:00):
His name got in there. And he's been dead for
a while, but in the nineteen so he's he was
literally born almost around the same exac time pop up was,
So think about that. Yeah, in the nineteen eighties, he
was around forty years old and his oldest child at
the time, Courtney, was born the same year as me.
Nineteen seventy nine, so she would have been in between
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zero and ten years.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Old, right.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
So Eric Menendez, however, was between ten and nineteen years old,
So it's not like he was going over there because
he was friends with one of his kids, because Courtney
was too young. And the weirdest part is that Chris
the mom said that they didn't know the parents. So
I'm like, so you were playing tennis at forty some
(32:48):
years old with a kid that was under eighteen years old.
It's kind of weird, yeah, because even if they had
the same tennis instructor and he was bringing him up
over there, it's just kind of bizarre.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But I'm also like, is this just what rich people
fucking do? Like they just are like, oh, my tennis
instructor's gonna just bring this child over because because we
if you're familiar with the case and nothing about an instructor.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Though she said he used to come over and play tennis,
maybe there was or whatever. But the whole thing to
me is just like I think about this and I'm like, Okay,
Gabes in his forties, Like if there was some teenage
boy coming over here to like play sports with him,
I would just think it was very unusual, especially because
we weren't friends with the family.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Just is fucking weird it is. It's like, I that
was definitely the first thing that crossed my mind because
we have you know, this case has been huge in
the news because of this show that came out and
I can't say it before.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That kid supposes the had a history of sexual assault
from the father and shit.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Right, yeah, from his day set in court. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So just I don't know the whole thing of it.
I mean, like, listen, you're exactly right. Nobody's really watching
the show as much anymore, and they do this, oh like,
let me play dumb. Did you know that he used
to come over here and play tennis with your dad?
Like like they didn't prior discuss that or whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
But whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I just think it's I just think it's weird. I
maybe that is what rich people do. I don't know,
it's just it's it's unusual.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I do think it's weird because you hear these stories
and like, these people, especially in Beverly Hills in la
are just so interlocked with each other and it's so bizarre,
and you're just like, is that just a normal thing
that happens that even like, let's say they met at
the club playing tennis, like, oh, just come over my
house and play.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, it's inappropriate because I I don't remember exactly how
old he was when the parents died, but it was
nineteen eighty nine, that's what I was gonna say, Like
he was a teenager. This is the craziest shit too.
Then you're thinking about, yeah, he was nineteen. When you
think about it is really nuts to think about the
most profile cases in the country. You think about the
(35:02):
oj Simpson trial, and then you think about the Menendez brothers. Right,
how that that Rob Kardashian was friend, was friends? Whatever
the hell was happening there with a kid that later
got convicted of a huge crime before or or no
that was yeah, that was before the Menandez was before, right,
(35:24):
So wasn't there something though that these two cases kind
of interlocked that that they decided to do nothing with
or they were showing example with one of them because
of the other one.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yes, So the Menendaz brothers, they the parents were killed.
I believe in eighty nine they had their first trial, which,
like Karen Reid, ended up being a mistrial, and then
in between the second trial that's when the OJ one happened. Yeah,
OJ happened and got acquitted. So their theory is that
(36:00):
the prosecution doubled down on the boys because they needed
a win, because losing the OJ case was such a
big deal, So that's why they went after them so hard.
And then they weren't allowing the sexual abuse evidence in
the second trial, and it was just this major problem,
and they made an example of them because in between
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their first and second trial, OJ had been acquitted.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But that is interesting, So this all happened in this
same circle of friends, Like these are terrible fucking people,
all of them. Could you imagine knowing if if you
could count on one hand, like all of the major ones.
It's just like you so happened to have these people
in your circle of friends, all of them.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
It's just weird. Well, it is weird, And that's what
I was kind of saying earlier. Is weird with Luigi
and Diddy being in the same jail and then their
defense attorneys being married to each other. It's just kind
of unusual. Though you think, yeah, that it just so happens.
This attorney power couple got the two biggest cases of
twenty twenty four. I don't know. I just think it's weird.
(37:02):
But I don't know if this is just how rich
people act, because this particular like Menendez Brothers OJ crossover,
it's so ingrained in pop culture, even just down to
like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I mean, Kyle Richards
has talked about like hanging out with Chris and Nicole
back in the nineties, And I was just reading Paris
(37:24):
Hilton's memoir and she brings stuff up like this, and
You're just like, it's unbelievable how all these people know
each other and are intertwined in each other's lives.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It is I mean, I guess it's in theory, it's
a small it's a smaller community of people. But just
think about knowing multiple people firsthand that we're on your
inner circle that are accused of this horrible stuff of
like raping children and killing people, murdering people, murdering their wip,
(37:54):
slicing her throat, like it's just killing parents while they're
eating ice cream, just like well, wasn't there, which I
doled I listen, I'm pro Menandez brothers. I think I'm saying,
like their parents are terrible people. But wasn't there something
though that Robert Kardashian wasn't typically like a criminal defense attorney,
but he hopped on the OJ trial because they were friends,
(38:17):
because that would make sense why he wouldn't help Eric
Menendez out if he wasn't traditionally a defense attorney.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, I'm I don't really remember. I don't know. I'll
have to look into that, but I just do think
it's great or like.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
He felt terribly guilty because he got a guilty person
off free and didn't want to get involved with another case.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I mean it, I can't imagine. I mean, these
trials were going on the year I was born, right,
so like it's kind of crazy that pop culturally this
was happening, and this is kind of I feel like,
what really birthed the true crime movement that we deal
with today because they were so sensationalized and they allowed
the cameras in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Oh yeah, sure, OJ definitely was I I specifically remember
I was probably it was right when you were born,
So I was I was like sixteen, probably i'd say fifteen,
sixteen years old when that started happening, and that was
when my obsession was true crime.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Began, Yeah, all right, this one is insane. So in Boston,
this lawyer who was sixty five years old, he hadn't
been heard from for a few days, so his friends
and families as a police to do a welfare check
on him. So it seems like he had a house
boat in the Boston Marina. Police get there and they
come across this twenty four year old woman on the boat.
(39:36):
So at first she gave them a fake name. She
said she hadn't seen the lawyer in a couple of days.
She was trying to stop them from coming inside. But
obviously that's suspicious behavior. So they're like, no, we're still
going to go in and check. So they go in.
They find this guy's body wrapped in a tarp and
duct tape. There's blood everywhere, which she seriously said was
from her period. And then there's you know, they're on
(39:58):
this boat, so there's weights attached to him. She was
clearly planning on dumping him over the side of the boat,
Like they came like five minutes before. She was ready
to like ditch him over the side of the boat. Yeah,
and the weirdest part of this was her pink acrylic
fingernails were stuck in the dead guy's chest.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I'm kind of wondering, like, like what went down there,
because that's that's very interesting as far as like a
wound pattern goes. Was he trying to hurt her and
she was trying to protect herself or I don't understand
why she would dig her fingernails into his body so
deep until they broke, because think about, like as a
(40:39):
person that has fake nails, if I did that to somebody,
it would really really hurt, right, Well, do you I'm
not going to do it unless I'm like trying to
protect my life or something I would feel.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Do you think it could be those ones you put
on the girls though, that you just put on in
your house with glue, not the ones that you have
to like sit at the nails and get.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, I mean it's totally possible, but even ones that
are glued would still hurt.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Like why you would?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I just don't know why you would. Why a person
would dig their hands into someone so hard? If I'm
not sure. They don't even say how how the guy died,
so I don't know. I don't know anything about it.
So I am curious to know more about that though,
because it is interesting, and it's not something that you
see very commonly for for an assailant to do to somebody,
(41:30):
So I'm interested on what the take of that is.
But the blood from the period, it's just like, girl,
it's twenty twenty five. You don't watch true crime shows
like they're going to be able to tell real quick
that not only is it period blood, but it's also
your blood.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
But like a period, like your period cannot produce as
much blood as there explained. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Back in my day I used to be able to
have I had quite the heavy flow.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Well that's you. So they also found a dead dog
floating in the water nearby, which is really suspicious.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
She had a dog with her that was live, and
then there was a dead dog too, which is weird
and also fucked up. I bet you whatever happened, she
probably especially because she had tied weights to his body,
like you can't just easily move a man like that,
especially when they're dead. It's very hard to move dead weight.
And oh so she probably couldn't move it herself or something.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I don't know. The whole scene is just weird. The fingernails,
obviously are the weirdest part.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Was she She was twenty four and he was sixty five.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah. Yeah, it was weird because it seemed like she
had her shit together. They said she was a graduate
of University of Maryland, she was a former ballerina. She
claimed to be an entrepreneur and a farmer. So it
seemed like she had her shit together. So what exactly
went down? I think the whole scene's weird. She's been
charged with murder, she pleaded not guilty. I don't think
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her lying and then saying the blood was her period
is going to help her case, but definitely one of
the more unusual ones.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
I wish they would update us, Like remember that story
we had last week about the torso that was found
in the suitcase. It's like just nothing else about that,
you know, Like, don't tell us this news without giving
us the final story because we.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Want to know more about it exactly. Okay, medical news,
All right, So a renowned anal surgeon has recently got
on a podcast to discuss how we wipe ourselves and
his thoughts. So do you want to explain his theories?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
So he's saying that the anus, if you look at it,
it looks like a folded up accordion, and that's why
it's supposed to it's supposed to open up really wide
and it's supposed to close. So that's why there's all
of these skin folds there. And he's saying that wiping
it and everybody could agree with this, that wiping it
could you could be a little bit too hard and
you could get sore, and then you could get infections
(43:55):
and all of that kind of stuff. But his solution
is saying, I'm a huge bidet fan. Okay, people would
probably be okay with that. I know they sell toilet
seats now that do it, but nobody has them anywhere
you go to the bathroom, especially if you're out in public.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
And then on top of that, it's like, oh, well,
he's he said, use the bidet. But if you can't
do that, just hop in the shower real quick, like okay,
I really want to hop in the shower after I
take a shit, Like come on, who wants to do that?
It's just not practical. It's to hop in the shower
every time you poop.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
So then he's saying, okay, so I'm a big fan
of the wipes. Apparently they're terrible for your whole too,
he's saying that it could it could ruin the microbiome
of your anus, so you have good bacteria and bad bacteria,
and it could ruin that bounce, which does make sense,
but you could get He says that he sees a
lot of patients that are having issues from using the
(44:49):
wet wipes, so he's like, so another impractical solution is
he's like, if you do have to wipe with toilet paper,
then he prefers that you do it's standing and squatting
because it has less blood flow to the area if
you're standing versus being bent in half right, and which
less pressure, less chance of a blood flow going and
(45:12):
a wound.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Et cetera. But like, could you just imagine like squatting
over the toilet and standing up and wipe it like
it's just and he says not to wipe either. You
shouldn't wipe, you should just blot. It's just not practical.
I'm sorry, it really isn't.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Like I understand there's all these things that you're supposed
to be doing and stuff, but you're just like, Okay,
come on, that's outrageous to me. I guess the days
are more accessible now because they have those newer ones
that you could just like hook on your toilet's seat.
But I never even saw one until I was ten
years old. And it's because when my aunt and uncle
were getting married, we stayed at my aunt's parents' house
(45:52):
and they're like hardcore from Italy Italians, and in their
bathroom they had one, and I was like, what is
this weird contra? I never even heard of it before
I used one for the first time. I think I
told you this already. When we just went to some
Airbnb on our last trip over New Year's time, there
was one and I was like, oh, let me try this,
(46:13):
and it was it was kind of like a weird feeling,
but it was cool. I was I still think you
need to use toilet paper there though, to like dry
it up right.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Well, he's saying you if you do use a bidet,
you have to make sure the area is dry afterwards, so.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, I mean that, yeah, because then you're gonna have
like drippy shit water in your underwear.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Like okay, so you still either need toilet paper or
you need a t and you're lot wiping.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Sorry, what are you going to use like somebody's handtail
in their hanging in their bathroom. The thing is, I
do think I might get one. I might get one
of those things for my toilet.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Actually, what the bidet? Yeah, we'll get one and report
back and tell us how your butt whole accordion's changing.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
If there's any Biday companies that would like to sponsor
this program because of the research that I'm going to
be doing on this subject, feel free to contact.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Us, okay. In Thailand, paramedics rust to the home of
this thirty six year old woman who said she was
having difficulty breathing. Despite the difficulty breathing, though when they
found her, she was face down on her bed drinking.
I'm gonna say, is like a bubble tea.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Out of the bull, slurping a bowl of sugary milk.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
So they determined that she needs to know the hospital.
But the problem here is that she weighed over six
hundred pounds, so they had to cut down her bedroom wall,
remove a door from the home, and then take her
inside of her bed on a tow truck to the
hospital because they could not get her there otherwise.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
You're not going to believe this, but this a similar
situation happened to one of Gabe's coworkers. No way, No,
I'm serious, because as soon as I read this story,
I was like, didn't I thought it was with Gabe.
I'm like, I've heard this story before. So then he
texted the fireman, who's no longer working there anymore, to
get this story. But a similar thing happened that they
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showed up and a person was seven hundred pounds seven hundred.
They had to take the person out of some second
story window and put them in a front end loader,
which I was like, what the hell's a front loader?
And he said, it's basically the same as a bulldozer.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
I'm like, I've heard this before. It's like, listen, to
see a human being being put on a tow truck
or a frickin bulldozer and brought to the hospital is
so dehumanizing, right, But like, what else can you do?
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Did you also notice in the photo that her foot
was like purple?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, you think she's having a little bit of a
circulatory problem, Like that's she all of that weight compressing
on your vascular system. It's terrible for you. I mean,
that's what's happening. It's the same thing that happens if
you of a giant tumor up in your groin area
that's compressing your blood vessels there. It's that your your
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foot is not going to get the same blood flow
as it normally does because it's blocking it off because
of all that heavy weight.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, so they brought her to the hospital in the
tow truck. But of course, you know, there was obstacles
getting her in there too, because when at the house,
twenty people had to lift her into the tow truck
because it's not like a car where you can just
strap a chain on it, you know what I mean,
this human So when they get to the hospital, they
had a whole other set of obstacles getting her inside
of it. And then the doctor had ordered her to
(49:34):
stop eating immediately because I guess even though she was
having these issues, she just didn't stop. Well.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I mean, clearly she has some kind of a medical issue,
because this just isn't normal by any stretch of the imagination,
and no person would ever choose to.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Actually live like this.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
It's not as simple as just being like, oh, stop eating,
like duh. I think that she already knows that. So
she needs some intensive therapy and try to figure out surgery, medications, whatever.
It's so sad because she's only thirty six years old.
And you know, I've had situations like this working in
the hospital too, because the hospital's only and it's the
(50:15):
same with the ambulance and everything. The whole world is
set up for average sized people. And now in hospitals
this is something that you might not notice, but just
look around next time you go to a doctor's office
or something. They have these extra wide waiting room chairs.
Now the hospital beds come wider now, like they're definitely
(50:37):
improving for what they would call bariatric patients. But for example,
the morgue that I used to work in was very,
very old, and it was before obesity was really a
thing when it was built, and it was made for
a standard size gurney to fit through the openings to
get back to the autopsy table. And I had a
(50:58):
situation once that I had to actually cut a person
that was super morbidly oby so over five hundred pounds
in the refrigerator on the specialized gurney that they had,
because I couldn't fit him through the doorway to bring
him on the autopsy table. And even if I could,
he wouldn't fit on our autopsy table. I mean, it's
(51:18):
so incredibly sad in that situation that a person has
to live like this, because clearly they feel like shit
about that.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
You know what I mean. Do you think at the
hospital you worked at, that they at some point will
have to move, like build a new facility or renovate
that space to make it way.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I mean, I guess when they update it. I don't
see that them doing it. We had it happened a
couple times, but sometimes we couldn't fit them in the
autopsy room, but we were able to fit them in
the cutting room and just do it in there. I mean,
to do an autopsy in the refrigerator is not ideal,
especially for a person like me because I have reynads,
(52:00):
so I'm very sensitive to the cold and my hands
like stop working when they're too cold. So it was
difficult for me to do the autopsy like that, especially
because it was a very strenuous one because of the
guy's weight. But it's not typical most people, I mean,
for some of the weigh five six hundred pounds is
just not typical like this situation. But when I started
(52:24):
working at the next hospital I went to, which was
a newer build of a hospital. They had definitely taken
all these things into consideration that you would be able
to The doorways were way wider. There was just a
lot easier to get in and out of because of
the challenges that we're facing as more and more people
become obese.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
You know, yeah, Okay. Back in twenty seventeen, this woman
driving along Route seventy eight in New Jersey pulled over
when she started feeling a medical emergency. So this state
trooper found her about thirty minutes later, and he thought
she was driving under the influence because when he approached
her in the car, she was covered in vomit and
couldn't answer basic answer no questions. So because he thought
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she was under the influence, he took her back to
the station where she sat for about two hours until
they realized she was really having a stroke, and then
finally got her the medical attention she needed.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
So she's sued the police department now her mother actually
has and they've been awarded what twelve point nine million dollars.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Well, so originally they were awarded way more than that,
like into twenty million dollars, but they said due to
a pre existing medical sorry due to a pre existing
medical condition. It was reduced by forty percent, bringing the
total to twelve point nine million dollars.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
I So when I read this, I felt really terrible
for the whole situation, because I personally, I could go
back and forth with this with the police officer. For example,
if you're a cop and you pull people over for
a living, and I mean assuming there could be medical
situations for sure, but you pull up and see a
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woman who's vomited all over herself and is disoriented and
could definitely seem like she was high on some kind
of drugs. I cause, because like they can't do a
breathalyzer test. It would be negative if she wasn't drinking alcohol,
but she could definitely be high on drugs. I just think, Okay,
(54:27):
how is this guy he's not a doctor, Like, how's
this guy supposed to know that she's having a stroke.
The family argues that she was wearing business attire, she
was in a clean car, she had no history of anything.
They didn't find anything that was unusual in the car.
Like all of those things together sort of maybe, And
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the only thing I could think is that maybe in
those situations when anyone is super inebriated or something. Maybe
they're supposed to call for medical assistance, and maybe he
didn't do that when he was supposed to.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Because let's say, let's say she was intoxicated and didn't
have the medical episode, what if she was in danger
of having like alcohol poisoning or something worse, or an overdose,
because I don't know, Like, that's what I'm saying, is
that is it protocol? I mean, this is cops could
answer that. Who are listening if if someone gets pulled
(55:24):
over and they because there's people that are drunk all
the time that you just want to bring back to
the station and be like you need to sober up
and do whatever here. But she was clearly.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Like not talking right and also had vomit all over herself,
so you're like, okay, she's a little bit more. Is
it just protocol to say let's just get her checked
out just to be sure or not? Because that's how
That's the only thing I could think here, how they
could really get him for this because I just don't.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Well, they proved in their lawsuit that the significant delay
in her treatment resulted in brain damage and permanent disability,
So I guess they were able to prove at some
point that he didn't do something right, because, I mean,
the state is still arguing that he acted in accordance
to their training, but something had to be deeper than
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that if they awarded her so much money.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
So there's a thing that comes to stroke victims which
is called fast. The acronym FEST which stands for the
F is for face or drooping arm. A, the A
is for the drooping arm, S is for speech difficulty,
and T is for time. Okay, time to call nine
one one. So a lot of those things, Like I'll
(56:40):
give you an example. I used to be friends with
some guy that worked at the Emmy's office, and he
was at work one day and he was young, he
was like in his fifties, and he started talking to
one of his coworkers and all of a sudden, like
half of his face started like not moving while he
was talking, and that co worker immediately of course having it.
(57:00):
Wasn't one of the physicians that work there, but someone
that works in the semi medical field was just like, dude,
something's wrong with your face. You got you better go
get that checked out. And sure enough, he was in
the middle of having a stroke. It's really important if
people notice that when they see somebody talking, because oftentimes
the person that it's happening too doesn't realize that it's happening.
(57:23):
So my whole thing, though, is that in a police situation,
whether the pulling people over because people drink and do
drugs all the time and drive, how is he not
medically trained supposed to know the difference between someone who's
wasted versus someone who's having a medical emergency.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, I just think this couldn't have been like a
simple mistake.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
I mean, I understand that the delay in her care
resulted in her having permanent injuries. I just I personally
feel like unless I'm just missing because I did actually
read the court some of the court dockets, and I
saw that, you know, they were saying they were basically
blowing her off as being really high, and they had
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pushed her into the car. She fell, she couldn't walk,
so she had all these bruises on her legs.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
But I really.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Don't believe that the officer thought that she was high.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
He didn't think.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
He probably feels terrible that he missed this. Honestly, I
think you are and you and I are missing crucial
information from this court case, because I don't think it
was so simply like you're getting all this money, because
they don't that just would not happen that she would
be getting this much money. And this has been going
(58:45):
on since twenty nineteen, Like it's just not that cut
and dry. So like, I'm sure they proved in some
type of way that protocol wasn't followed or or something like.
I just can't see it being like truly, because true, truly,
this could be such an innocent mistake, so like they
had to have pushed something further with the evidence has
(59:06):
shown something else happened for her to get awarded this
amount of money. Yeah, And I guess I don't know
what they're training is as far as that, because I mean,
it is definitely possible that a person could be having
all sorts of types of medical emergencies that maybe they
are trained in a certain way to look for certain
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signs like this is how people act when they're high,
this is this, I don't know it's and really the
solution is just to have ems come check them out anyway,
and they would have probably realized it right away. It's
just a terrible situation because it's just I don't know,
Like I feel bad for everyone involved because you being
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a police officer and stuff. You in theory you go
for the job because you want to help people, and
like you would feel horrible if if you know that
you could have helped this lady and she wouldn't have
been disabled for the rest of her life. You know,
all right, no other death news, So we're just gonna
hop into questions of the day. Every Friday on the
at mother Knows Death Instagram account, we put a story
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up with a question box and you guys can ask
whatever you want. First, do your little children ever see
the graphic picks or do they have more big questions
about death? I mean, yeah, they always see the picks
because I'm sitting at my desk a lot and I'm
writing for the gross room, and then they'll come over
and be like, what is that. I'm trying to think
of which one I just posted the other day that
(01:00:32):
they saw. Usually, if I'm doing anything that has pictures
of like genitals especially, I always just am extra cautious
to minimize it. And you know, I'll go into the
kitchen to cook dinner or something. I don't leave it
on my computer because my kids go on my computer sometimes,
so I try to be conscious of that. But I
(01:00:55):
have like eighty thousand photos on my phone and my
kids are grab my phone all the time for whatever
to show me some stupid YouTube video or whatever. And
so they see they see stuff. I'm sure, I mean,
it is what it is, and they just say like,
what is that?
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And I explain it to them. But do they ask
you like questions about death and stuff too. They asked me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Questions about certain things like if they see somebody at
their school or something that's got something wrong with them,
they asked me about that. And they don't seem to
be too concerned with death. There was there was a
period where Lillian was a couple of years ago and
I just was like, yeah, you're gonna die. I don't
know if that like just clicked in her head and
(01:01:41):
she just stopped obsessing over it because it would remember.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
She would cry and.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Be like, I'm just scared, I'm gonna die. And I
was like you are so so am I and so
is everyone? So's your cat? Like, move on, this is
the kind of mom you have. I'm sorry, I'm not
like a coddler.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
We know, all right? What kind of shoes do you
use storing an autopsy?
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
So I used to have when I was at my job,
when I was doing a lot of autopsies, almost every
day or multiple times a week, I used to keep
a pair of galoshes like rain boots there that I
would put on when I did an autopsy because sometimes,
(01:02:25):
especially if you have patients that have hepatitis C or something,
they're really really juicy. So when you cut them open,
they they're filled with fluid and their abdomen and their
chest and it's just a lot of fluid can pour
And especially like I was saying, my autopsy table was
so small it was made for average sized people. So
if you put a person on that table that was
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obese and you opened up their abdomen, the fluid just
poured onto the floor because the table wasn't wide enough
on the sides to catch it. And I had multiple
situations where my socks would get wet with like HEPSI
positive fluid or something. Even wearing those stupid covers.
Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
There was a.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Point where we would get from the gyn floor. You'll
think this is funny. They have these like booties that
go up to your knees basically to catch babies and
all that fluid that's coming out. But we always you know,
when people, when people are dead, the insurance doesn't pay
for anything anymore. So our supplies were just always scant,
(01:03:27):
and if I could get them from the maternity floor
or something, that would be fine. But the alternative was,
like I just kept a pair of rain boots there
that stayed in the morgue all the time. I put
them on when I did the autopsy and took them off,
and then that was the solution.
Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
All right. Any Valentine's Day plans or traditions that you have, well,
it's the Eagles Parade, right, I understand it's the best
day this week, but it's dick to all the women
that are supportive and don't care about football, which is
like many of them. Well, Valentine's Day's pretty controversial because
(01:04:02):
everybody just is like so over and everything. Personally. Esthetically,
it's one of my favorite holidays because I really heart
shaped things me too, and so I can read pink
and red and I liked like scallop trim, you know,
all the fun, cute, dainty stuff. I feel like every
year we usually like have a nice dinner and we
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always watch this really funny Netflix special with Michael Bolton.
It's like some special Valentine's Day thing, but it's so
weird and it's really funny and like a bunch of
comedians are in it, and we definitely watch that every year.
But otherwise it's just like whatever, we just have dinner
and like a fancy dessert like Emil I normally wouldn't cook.
That's something elaborate. But I guess we're getting screwed out
(01:04:46):
of that this week.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I know, I don't game might go to I don't know.
I keep sending on these videos from Instagram of all
the dumb shit that's been going on this week, with
like people pulling the light out of you know that
it's the light the traffic lights, Like people in our
city pulled the traffic lights out of the ground. People
are jumping. So I just saw someone laying on top
(01:05:11):
of a Septa train.
Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Oh I did see that because I was like, that
is so stupid. I'm like, you're just around these people,
Like what is attractive about this? I don't understand. The
parade is really I went to the first parade and
it was really scaled back compared to like the initial
wind victory cause it's during the day. It's in the morning.
People aren't that drunk yet. Does it go up Broad Street?
(01:05:34):
Like where does it go? I think they start at
the stadium and they go like they're on a bus
where like everybody's outside, like on top of the bus
so you could see them. And the bus goes from
the stadium to the Art Museum and then they do
a speech at the Art Museum and then it's over.
Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Oh okay, so whatever. So that's that's during the day.
So we were gonna go over MoMA and pop ups,
but not driving anywhere near Pennsylvania, Sorry, Mom, But yeah,
uh for us, So the girls and I for the
past for a while, for like five years, we make
Gabe these like really fancy chocolate covered strawberries. It's just
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the tradition that we've been doing every Valentine's Day and
he gets us flowers and I'll cook dinner and that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
It's nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
He'll get me flowers. Like I love getting flowers. I
have so many of them. I save every flower he
ever gives me, so I have like fifty bouquets of
flowers around my house.
Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Yeah, so I just look forward to that Regula usually
get me a little gift, I will say, since we're married,
the gifts are dwindling, right, dwindling.
Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Wait, I'm going to send you this meme that I
found on Instagram that I keep sending the Gabe. It's
just like, oh, so, like, you don't ask me to
be your valentine anymore because we're married. I guess it's
like all these like zingers. It is true, though, it's
just like, oh, now that you have it, it's like whatever,
I'll just get you some flowers and that's it. But
he didn't get me that box of chocolate from Vegan
(01:07:04):
Treats which I ate in one day.
Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Oh yeah he did get He gets me like flowers
and candy and stuff. But like one year I got
like a weighted blanket, a fancy anthroacndle, a heating pad.
It was really nice. He's like fuck you, Like he's
like yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, no, he's you know, they
(01:07:27):
tried their best, but you could definitely see the difference
the shift from dating and wanting to lock you down.
So then they're like whatever, I don't care any it is.
It's absolutely true, all right, guys, So thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Thanks
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get
started with the story of the day. We have an
update about Luigi Mangioni, who is the twenty six year
old that killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. So of
course there's been a lot of controversy because people are
really in support of him killing this guy. And now
there has been this fundraiser online to raise money for
(00:43):
his legal defense, and it's over three hundred thousand dollars
right now, So I guess that there's a committee that
has put forth this GoFundMe type of page to collect
this money for him. It's actually weird that's that that's
legally a lot. Did they do that for other criminals too,
that you could have a fund that people are supporting
(01:05):
online while you're in jail.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Well, I guess it depends on what platform this is,
because I personally don't think GoFundMe would allow this. This
is on a program, This on a website called give
Send Go. It's the same theory, it's the same thing,
but I guess it just depends on whatever company wants
to allow what they're gonna do. I also would think
(01:29):
this isn't allowed. I also think it wouldn't be legal
for the lawyer to accept this money, but apparently that's
what's happening. So I'm curious how this is gonna go down.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I think it's weird that people are so willing to
fight for this cause and give money for it because
this guy actually has his own money.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, that is a good point you bring up. I
didn't really think about that before that. He came from
this really wealthy family, but.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Like multi millionaires, So that's you know, if you're a
person that is against the system and you believe in
this healthcare is totally taking advantage of people and responsible
for people's death and everything, then you should you would
think that you would also you know, oh, they're all
for profit this and that. Well, this guy is from
(02:23):
a lot of money too. He doesn't seem at this
point that he was even directly affected by any of this,
so it's not like, I don't know, do you think
do you think that you'd have a little bit more
sympathy if it was like a forty five year old
dad who lost his kid to cancer because the kid
couldn't get cancer, and he was like a mechanic or
(02:43):
something you have, you'd have almost a little bit more
passion to be like, I understand why this guy did this,
but in this case, he just was doing it as
as a statement rather than because it was directly affecting him.
And in my personal opinion, you could justify ninety five
percents of the murders that happen in this country if
(03:06):
you really wanted to say, oh, that person did something
shitty and deserve to die, and we can't live in
a society like that or else it's going to be
okay to kill whoever we want that we don't think
is doing the right thing.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, I agree with that. I I am curious how
they are going to find a jury that's one hundred
percent non biased towards the healthcare system because it is
obviously very flawed.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It doesn't make it justified why he killed this guy.
And of course the main argument is like, well, this
CEO killed way more people by his fucked up policies
than Luigi did by killing him. And I understand all
of that, but we can't be taking the law. You
could literally say that about every single politician that's ever existed,
(03:52):
and the people involved with COVID for example, and.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
All of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's just like, yeah, all of these people totally suck.
But we can't have citizens going out and handling it
like this because once you say that this is okay,
then there's going to be someone next. And you know,
I think that it's definitely worth having a conversation that
this affects people. Literally this morning, Maria is having problems
(04:20):
having coverage with healthcare and having to pay nine hundred
dollars every single time she needs to get some test done,
and shit like it affects everyone.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I believe that's what I'm that says the thing about it.
This case is going to be problematic when it goes
to trial because he's pleaded not guilty, so it's going
to go forward a trial. But I think really with
healthcare in particular, it is something every single American has
an issue with, give or take. So I find it's
going to be incredibly hard to find a jury that
(04:50):
has not been personally affected in some sort of way.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I would just go as far as to say, though,
if you're going to blame the healthcare insurance companies, they're
private companies and they're trying to make money, so they're
gonna do whatever they can.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Don't you feel like it would be a step above that.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
The government is really the one that's in charge of
all of those rules and regulations and what they're allowed
to do and so forth. So it's it's not just
like you got rid of the bad guy and now
it's the end of the story. These like, literally, this
guy got killed months ago and we're still having problems
this morning, getting covered for shit. It didn't help anything,
(05:27):
It didn't make anything go away, it didn't change anything,
so whatever. I think the most impressive part of this story,
to be honest with you, is that this wasn't like
a couple donors had, you know, with a lot of money,
gave him money. There was ten thousand individual donors and
their average donation was only thirty dollars. And ten thousand
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people is a ton of people.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, of course it is. And when you go through
I don't know if you went on the actual website,
but I was looking through it, and everybody has a
message of support for him that's donated obviously, and people
aren't even doing it anonymously. They're happy to put their
name on the donation.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, it's it's just a it's a very interesting it's
a very interesting case, and I am very excited to
see the trial of it and what the average person
thinks about it, because I certainly I don't agree with
with just murdering people that you think are doing the
wrong thing, because that's why we have the justice system.
(06:27):
And listen, like, I know the justice system totally sucks
to but there has to be some kind of laws
and regulations otherwise, like shit's going to hit the fan
and be terrible. So that's why I'm in general just
not for this, although I completely agree that it's it's
a terrible situation we're in here anyway.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, And I think a couple other interesting points about
this case, because I don't think we've talked about it
in a while, is he's in the same jail right
now as Ditty, and his defense attorney is married to
Ditty's de attorney, So I think that's really interesting dynamic.
He's also in jail with Sam Bankman Freed, who was
the FTX founder that got sued recently. So I think
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it's interesting thinking of all these different people in prison,
and it makes me think of how the Menendas brothers
and OJ crossed over temporarily, and they said they did interact,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Just, oh, we're gonna talk about you saying that the
Menanda's brothers a little bit later in this episode. But
let's get into celebrity news and start with the big
story of the week, which was the super Bowl, which
you at a party we went over.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
It was nice. I mean, I don't like football, but
it was a nice evening. Well, well, let me just
say we were only like, okay, we're gonna have two friends,
and then my father in law over and then we
I obviously want you guys here, but you know, my
husband's like a psycho and superstitious, and he was just like,
I guess the last super Bowl you left after the
third quarter, and then he blamed you for why they
(07:58):
left or for why they lost that year, so.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Which she was like, well, listen, now, two years ago,
my children we were like eight and nine years old.
So at nine o'clock at night on a Sunday night,
when they have school the next day, I had to
leave to put them to bed. I don't think it's
unreasonable that I left in the middle of the game,
but I understand, so I and it was fine because
(08:21):
it was thought. I thought the game was was entertaining.
There was a lot of you know, watching the show,
eating food everything, so it was it was good. We
didn't have a problem. You know, we didn't get home
till almost eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Though. Yeah, you were allowed to come, but you weren't
allowed to leave, and you definitely couldn't be late. So
my one friend Sam made it right at the last
second because I was gonna be like, you can't come
in otherwise because he was being crazy about it. But
the Eagles won the Super Bowl. Anyway, leading up to it,
there's like, I guess the players get there about a
week or probably ten days early to start getting acclimated
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and practice and everything. But report also there all week
doing media covered for it. And this one Kansas City
sports reporter, his name's Adn Manzano. He was in New
Orleans reporting on the Super Bowl last week and tragically died.
It wasn't really obvious what happened to him at first,
but then weird details started coming out that there was
(09:18):
surveillance of this woman going in his hotel room and
she came out alone, and then he was found dead
shortly after that, and apparently she has a history of
doing these really shady things with men and drugs and
stealing their you know, phones, their credit cards, and I
guess this one just went a little too far and
he died.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So it seems like this guy, this guy already has
this terrible tragedy that happened to him. Was that less
than a year ago, his wife died in a car
accident and they had a baby together that's only two
years old. So I guess I don't know what the
deal is with this woman. Is she like a sex worker?
Is she was she his girlfriend? Don't really say what
(10:02):
her involvement was, but there's definitely video footage of them
together in this hotel, And ever since she's been named
as being involved with this story, all of these people
are coming out of the woodwork now saying that she
tried to do a similar thing to them, which is crazy. Yeah,
So it's like they're obviously, you know, still doing an
(10:24):
investigation and pending toxicology because that typically takes a couple
of weeks to come back, right, Yeah, that, I mean,
it just depends what medical Examiner's office is doing it
and where they're sending the testing out to. But yeah,
that could take that could take a little while to
come back. And you know what, honestly, it's possible. They
do a quick talks at autopsy, which is they take
(10:47):
urine directly out of the bladder and they do they
check for the major drugs like opioids and cocaine, and
there's a couple they could do, so they might already
know that it was positive. But I don't believe some
I personally think because of what you're hearing from the
other stories that it seems as if this woman is
(11:08):
slipping something in someone's drink. I would say that it's
probably a drug like Rufie's or rhypnol. That is, it's
a benzo diazepine similar to xanax. It's in that group
of drugs, but when you give it to someone it
dissolves in a drink number one and number two. It
could make them with all the other symptoms that come
(11:29):
with being on a XENX type drug. It also comes
with amnesia, meaning that the person could take it and
doesn't even know that. They don't remember the entire night,
which is why it's often referred to as the date rape.
Drug because it kind of erases people's memory in a way.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, it is weird that, you know, all these stories
are coming out and you have to be thinking, like, well,
how is if this is known information and people were
so easily to connect their cases to her, why is
she not in jail. It seems like she was convicted
in October of computer fraud and theft, and then she
was supposed to be sentenced behind bars, but then the
(12:09):
judge instead ordered her to pay restitution and be on
probation for five years, and then she obviously just keeps
going out and doing the same thing. So when they
saw her on this surveillance video and then they find
this guy dead, they go to her house to question
her about it, and then they find his cell phone
in his credit cards, which obviously seems extremely suspicious. And
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then of course we know all these other men are
coming forward saying she did the same thing to them
and stole all their information. But it doesn't seem like
she actually killed anybody else. And I guess she still
allegedly may have killed this guy, but it's not looking
really good for her.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So well, this is the thing too. A lot of
people get this date rape drug one of it happened
to one of my friends when we were in Las Vegas.
Believe it or not, that she had something like this
slipped in or drink.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It was. It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But it's a drug, right, So if this guy was
on any kind of other medications, or if he was
drinking alcohol, it's a central nervous system depressant, so it
could turn off the respiratory centers in your brain and
it could kill you. So that and the dosage and everything,
you don't know what a person can handle or not.
So they'll be able to tell that when they do
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the toxicology. Like I was saying earlier, the quick toxicology
wouldn't routinely look for a drug like this, so they're
going to have to do a more further in depth
one to check to see if there was any kind
of other illegal drugs in a system that could have
been slipped in a drink like that.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, all right. This next case Chrissy Carlson Ramano. She
is an actress most famous for being in Even Stevens
and she is the voice of Kim Possible. Those were
kind of shows when I was around the girl's age.
You know where this person is I know the voice
of Kim Possible because I really, oh, that's a card
show all the time. Yeah, okay, so I didn't recognize
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her face like right when we started reading the article,
but I definitely know who she is now that I know.
But her and her husband were out celebrating for his
birthday and they were shooting clay pigeons and suddenly in
the middle of this, she gets shot in the eye.
And it seems that this other group that was where
they were celebrating shot in the wrong direction and struck her.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So typically if you do clay pigeon, do you know
what that is?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah? I do. And I called Louis to see what
gun you would use for that, and he said you
would most often shoot with a shotgun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So for those of you listening, I don't really understand
what it is. It's these these clay saucers. They're usually
made of a mixture of pulverized limestone rock or something,
but they're almost shaped like a really shallow bowl and
they're shot up into the air with this machine that
it kind of mimics what it would be like if
you were actually trying.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
To shoot a bird.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And people do it as a sport, and people also
do it as a hobby. So if you're going to
a place to do this, like some sort of shooting
range that has the ability to shoot clay pigeons, it's
usually safe because there's all these regulations as far as
where people need to stand and just how to make
the environment more safe, especially when you have multiple people
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shooting at one time. But a lot of people, especially
people that have really large properties and stuff, they do
it in their backyard or something, and then that's when
you could have problems with these things. So not only
just shooting at the clay pigeon could cause the clay
pigeon to shatter and the pieces can hurt you, but
also there could be problems with people not shooting in
(15:34):
the right direction like in this case, and you could
also have the ammunition ricocheting off of something, which is
more than likely what happened in her case, but.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You can get serious.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Either one of those things though, would cause serious eye injuries,
So it makes sense that you should definitely be wearing
eye protection when you're doing something like this. I'm assuming
she wasn't, just because of where the pellet looks like
it hit her face. She has a black eye and
a very specific shot of where it hit her.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I was thinking about that though, because it's in kind
of a weird spot on her cheek. So I was
thinking of, like, I'm looking at your glasses right now,
for example, right, and the edge of your glasses goes
to approximately the area where it looks like it hit
her cheek. But sometimes safety goggles I don't think go
down that far in your face. Well, it depends what
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kind you wear.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And even with wearing glasses like this, I mean, things
could get underneath of them if it's at the right angle.
But so let me explain this to you because this
might make more sense. So when you shoot, when you
use a shotgun and you're trying to shoot a bird,
you use this ammunition called bird shot, which is not
what a person would think of as a classic bullet, right.
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It's this casing that's plastic. It's pretty big, and it's
filled with little tiny bebies inside of it. So when
you shoot from a distance, they disperse, which would make
it easier to shoot something a moving target like that.
These little tiny bebes disperse everywhere depending on how far
away you're standing. So she didn't get shot with because
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the articles are all saying a bullet, it's not a bullet.
It's essentially like she got shot with a beby or
a few of them from this bird shot, because she
it seems as if she has one embedded behind her eye,
but they were able to get one out. Possibly, So
when you look at X ray imaging from a person
that got shot with bird shot, depending on how far
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away they were standing, you could see like hundreds of
little tiny bebes in their body dispersed throughout their body
if they just depending on how far away they were.
But this person was clearly far away enough or she
wasn't in the direct angle of all of them coming
out that she only got hit with two of them,
because these cartridges are usually filled with lots of different
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little bebies, so she didn't get a direct hit by
a basic. But the thing is is when you look
at the entry point of one of them, it is
right under her eye, Like if it just was a
few inches above it, she could have really lost her
eye and possibly even worse. So she's really lucky that
she survived, and she's lucky that she's not blind right now.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, And it's it's kind of crazy because she was
saying that she's she's able to see totally okay right now,
but I guess there's still fragments left in her face,
but those are too risky to operate on because it
can affect her vision because.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
She's saying that it's behind her eye, and the optic
nerve that comes off of your brain that enervates your
eye and helps you see is right there, and they're
probably scared to go too close and fiddle around with
it because right now they're just going to keep an
eye on it and say, if it's not affecting her
vision and it's not her body, I mean, her body
will probably have a reaction to it because it's a
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foreign material and that could be a potential surgery down
the road. But at this point they could just keep
an eye on it. I mean, I did an autopsy
once on someone who was shot in Vietnam, and they
were an old man that had a bullet in his
hip still from when he got shot. People have them
in their body all the time. As long as it's
sitting there and not bothering anything, they'll just leave it alone. Yeah, Okay,
(19:18):
freak accidents all right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yesterday, as scottsdel Arizona. This private jet owned by Motley
Cruz singer Vince Neil hit another plane on the runway
when it landed, and now one person is dead. What
is going on with all the Aviasian accidents. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think I think, like obviously it's the same with everything.
We're hearing a lot about it, but I feel like
little planes always have issues, and like we just don't
really even care about it. It's just like now it's
on our radar because of the two really bad ones
that just happened a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
But well, really since the beginning of the year, we
didn't even really discuss these, but there was like major
issues in South Korea and Russia, and then we had
the one in DC, then we had the one in Philly.
Now we have this. Also, we didn't even touch on
a passenger plane with ten people went missing in Alaska
last week and they just found the remnants of that.
(20:12):
And also at the Seattle Airport last week, two commercial
I think I think it was two commercial airliners clipped
each other's wings while taxi. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I still think if you especially because of that one
that just happened in DC. You were seeing all this
footage of the air what the air traffic controller was
seeing at the time, like all of these planes that
were arriving and leaving at the airport. And I look
at that and I'm like, how are there not more accidents?
There are so many planes out at one time, it's
(20:44):
kind of amazing that they don't crash more often.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
To be honest with you, I mean even last night
when I was driving home from your house and it's
like darker out, you can see the planes more, obviously
because you could see their lights, but there was at
least three or four that looked like they were about
to land Philly Airport.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, they're all they all stand in a line. It's
so crazy when remember that day we were leaving Manhattan
and driving back home towards Newark Airport and.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You almost crashed the car because they were like this
plate So.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
The plane I literally like skimmed the top of my car.
That's how close it gets to the highway. But remember
us looking just miles down the road and seeing them
all lined up, like it's it's crazy that you could
see it better when it's dark out or dusk out
and it's just when you think about the amount of
flights that happened a day, it's it's really it's really
(21:34):
amazing that we could have a system that there's not
more of this stuff happening. And I almost don't even
count the little the little planes as much. I mean,
I just feel like you hear it so much. It's
more the commercial jetliner is the scary one, honestly.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I mean, that definitely is. It seems like there
was two pilots on this private plane. One of them died.
Did they confirm whether or not he died as a
result of the crash or did he have a medical
episode that caused the crash. He was the person that
was flying it. He was one of the two pilots
on the prime.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I don't really know what they said, what they said,
why it happened. I'm sure they don't even really know
that at this point. Yeah, so I'll do They'll do
an autopsy on them, and they'll figure that out because
they'll be able to see if he had a stroke
or or some kind of a heart attack or something
prior to crashing. So yeah, And the singer for Motley
(22:28):
Crue was not on the plane, but his girlfriend was
but she survived. Dogs on the plane survived. Everybody always
wants to know that, So it's all good there, all right.
In Tampa, this little girl who just turned seven was
drag racing, which apparently is allowed for children and is
a pretty big thing in this country. I didn't really
know that, but she had a horrible accident on the
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raceway and she died. I never heard of this, and
I can't even believe this article is real. Here's something
children driving vehicles, junior drag racing with children five to
seventeen years old. Like you're literally letting a five year
old drive a fucking car and you're wondering how they
died in an accident. They justified that they only go
(23:09):
forty miles an hour. Forty miles an hour is fast
for a little body. Yes, they shouldn't even be in
the front seat at that age. This kid was in
first grade. Not the kid's not even really seven. She
just turned seven three days ago, so she's like a
like an old six year old first grader, And you're
telling me that this is okay to just put this
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kid in the front of a car to drive.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's just so weird. It should be child abuse. Honestly,
I think it's weird because there, you know, people interviewed
for this article were just like, oh, it's just entry
level racing, and they have all the same equipment as
the big boys, including a helmet, glove, seatbelt. Yeah, it
worked really well, but good damn children. They're not adults.
So if they do get in a crash or something,
do you think they have the mindset yet to be like, oh,
(23:54):
I know what to do to get out of this.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
No, it's it's not even that they just their bones
aren't even hard in all the way yet, Like, it's
just it's just a ridiculous thing to even think of.
And their weight is that that's why they're not supposed
to be in the front seat of the car. They's
it's not because of just their ages, because of their weight.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's it's so and she hit an adult too.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Luckily that guy survived, But like, I just I really
can't wrap my brain around this. It's just it's it
has to be this exclusive American dumb bullshit that people
do as a tradition. It's just it's it's so outrageous.
I think they should be in trouble for child abuse
for a lot of kid do this honestly.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, because you know, I think they're trying to argue
that it's like relatively safe in a controlled environment, but like,
I don't really see a kid driving. It's not like
they're driving a full sized car, but they're driving a
vehicle that goes forty miles an hour, and that's fast
for not necessarily us driving on a regulated roadway, but
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for a little kid on a racetrack that's really fast,
and clearly an accident has happened, so they need to
look into that and prevent it. Or just like I
agree with you, I don't think this should even exist
for kids that if you're a parent.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Of this child, you don't feel a little responsible for
allowing this to happen. It's just it's I feel like
this is a fake article.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well it's not a fake. It's very real organization. So
people are clearly I mean, it makes sense that this
is happening in Florida, but it really also seems like
it's happening all over the country. So I'm curious if
anybody has experienced with this, because it seems like there's
been multiple lawsuits at this venue for spectators getting hit
with flying parts from the races, but I don't know
(25:39):
if they've per se had a death of somebody so
young there before.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I just think, like, if you your kids want to
do outrageous shit like I understand in the article, or
like she loved, she died doing what she loved, and
it's like, yeah, my kid wants to go to the
mall by yourself. I'm not letting my little kid go
to the mall. Buyers, Like, if something happens, that's directly
my fault for letting her do something it's not age appropriate,
you know, yeah, or in the whatever. I just I'm
(26:06):
not going to ever agree.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
With it, all right. In Australia, a woman was in
her backyard when suddenly lightning struck her tree, causing the
tree to explode and then she got hit with wood
shrapnel and died. Yeah, So she was sitting back there
apparently with her friend. They were about nineteen feet away
from this large tree and it impaled her somewhere and
(26:27):
killed her on the spot. Her friend had one of
her fingers partially amputated and also fractured her jaw, but
the friend is still alive, although she's still in the
hospital in serious condition. It is kind of crazy because
usually when you think about lightning strikes, you think about
people getting electrocuted, and in this case it was from
blunt trauma due to shrapnel basically flying through the air well.
(26:51):
Another thing is they could like lightning strikes had also
caused fires too, Like they could sit. Is that good?
Like they could set a house a little fire and stuff. Yeah,
it just sucks because it's like, you know, a severe thunderstorm.
Those happen all the time. People get warnings for them
all the time. I don't think you think you're just
gonna be in your backyard hanging out and then this
(27:12):
crazy thing is going to happen to you.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, the kids always call me a Karen all the
time because as soon as I it starts looking angry outside,
I'm like, get out of the pool, and they're like,
it's been raining at it's not even lightning. I didn't
even hear thunder And I'm like, I don't care, We're
not risking it. Just it's it's just like why, I, okay,
I might be a Karen. I don't let my kids
drive a car going forty miles an hour, and I
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don't let them in the pool during a thunderstorm.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
But well, I was thinking of when Nicole and Bill
were over your house last summer and we were all
hanging out my backyard and it started. It started like,
you know, you could see lightning in the distance and
it was thundering a little bit. It didn't seem that bad.
What was that the night of the All Star Game
for MLB?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I think it was, remember, but that was the night
that the next our neighbor's tree fell and like totally
crushed her shed right near where we were sitting.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yes, so it starts picking up and we're like, all right,
we should probably go home now because it seemed like
it was going to be raining like that all night.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Ricky, you live ten minutes away. Nicole and Bill live
live in in New York.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
When we didn't they go back to their hotel in Philly, No,
I thought, Oh, I thought they went back to Oh
they were going back home because she had work the
next day. Yeah. Well, the ten minute drive from my
house was like post apocalyptic lightning and thunder and then
thank God, like right when I turned into my neighborhood,
the rain started, but it was totally blinding the rain,
(28:38):
So I, you know, we all know I have extreme
weather anxiety. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
We make fun of Maria so bad. There's like this
little storage closet thing in her basement and we're always like.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Are you hiding in that?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Cause it'll you'll get an alert that says, okay, there's
a tornado watch or a tornado warning. And because tornadoes
do touch down near my house, they don't touch near
your house. There's a lot of your house, it's been
there since nineteen fifty. At least you'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, but my neighbor down the street told me one
went down the other street only like ten years ago.
So I don't really like that. This episode is brought
to you by the Gross Room guys.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
This week we finished up our high profile death dissection
on the Karen Reid trial, and it is it's really good.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Actually, I honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Maria will say the same thing that we really didn't
pick up too much attention about it. I know, we
talked about it once on this show when she had
the hung jewelry and was going to get a retrial,
but we weren't really into it. And once we really
dug deep into it, it was really really good and
there's something shape going on there, so I think that
(30:01):
you should read our post. I go through the whole
autopsy and talk about why, what the prosecution said, what
the defense said, and even the comments as of this
morning are just great as far as you could really
see the split, like are you team prosecution or your
team defense? And it's just it's a really good environment
for us to talk about things. So it's for like
(30:24):
minded people that are into all of this morbid kind
of stuff but also want to learn about it. So
it's just a really cool place to be. Yeah, and
I think you brought up some really really interesting points
from looking at the autopsy that we haven't heard elsewhere,
So you guys are definitely going to head over to
the gross Room and check that out, because we're not
going to just spill all the tea on here. But yeah,
(30:47):
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for only five ninety nine for the month. Okay, true crime,
all right, So The newest season of The Kardashians premiered
(31:09):
last week, which nobody's really watching, but I guess they're
putting this article out to get some people interested in.
But Kim was talking to Chris about how the Ryan
Murphy series Monsters was going to be covering the Menendas
brother's case, and she went on to tell the kids
that Eric Menendez used to come over the house sometimes
and play tennis with Robert Kardashian in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Do you think that that is fucking bizarre? Yeah, because
he was a teenager.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, I looked this up to see exactly how old
these people were. So Rob Kardashian he's the for those
of you who don't know, he's the dad of all
of these Kardashians. But also he was the defense attorney
for OJ Simpson, which is how he got in pop culture.
(32:00):
His name got in there. And he's been dead for
a while, but in the nineteen so he's he was
literally born almost around the same exac time pop up was,
So think about that. Yeah, in the nineteen eighties, he
was around forty years old and his oldest child at
the time, Courtney, was born the same year as me.
Nineteen seventy nine, so she would have been in between
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zero and ten years.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Old, right.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
So Eric Menendez, however, was between ten and nineteen years old,
So it's not like he was going over there because
he was friends with one of his kids, because Courtney
was too young. And the weirdest part is that Chris
the mom said that they didn't know the parents. So
I'm like, so you were playing tennis at forty some
(32:48):
years old with a kid that was under eighteen years old.
It's kind of weird, yeah, because even if they had
the same tennis instructor and he was bringing him up
over there, it's just kind of bizarre.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But I'm also like, is this just what rich people
fucking do? Like they just are like, oh, my tennis
instructor's gonna just bring this child over because because we
if you're familiar with the case and nothing about an instructor.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Though she said he used to come over and play tennis,
maybe there was or whatever. But the whole thing to
me is just like I think about this and I'm like, Okay,
Gabes in his forties, Like if there was some teenage
boy coming over here to like play sports with him,
I would just think it was very unusual, especially because
we weren't friends with the family.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Just is fucking weird it is. It's like, I that
was definitely the first thing that crossed my mind because
we have you know, this case has been huge in
the news because of this show that came out and
I can't say it before.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That kid supposes the had a history of sexual assault
from the father and shit.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Right, yeah, from his day set in court. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So just I don't know the whole thing of it.
I mean, like, listen, you're exactly right. Nobody's really watching
the show as much anymore, and they do this, oh like,
let me play dumb. Did you know that he used
to come over here and play tennis with your dad?
Like like they didn't prior discuss that or whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
But whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I just think it's I just think it's weird. I
maybe that is what rich people do. I don't know,
it's just it's it's unusual.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I do think it's weird because you hear these stories
and like, these people, especially in Beverly Hills in la
are just so interlocked with each other and it's so bizarre,
and you're just like, is that just a normal thing
that happens that even like, let's say they met at
the club playing tennis, like, oh, just come over my
house and play.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, it's inappropriate because I I don't remember exactly how
old he was when the parents died, but it was
nineteen eighty nine, that's what I was gonna say, Like
he was a teenager. This is the craziest shit too.
Then you're thinking about, yeah, he was nineteen. When you
think about it is really nuts to think about the
most profile cases in the country. You think about the
(35:02):
oj Simpson trial, and then you think about the Menendez brothers. Right,
how that that Rob Kardashian was friend, was friends? Whatever
the hell was happening there with a kid that later
got convicted of a huge crime before or or no
that was yeah, that was before the Menandez was before, right,
(35:24):
So wasn't there something though that these two cases kind
of interlocked that that they decided to do nothing with
or they were showing example with one of them because
of the other one.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yes, So the Menendaz brothers, they the parents were killed.
I believe in eighty nine they had their first trial, which,
like Karen Reid, ended up being a mistrial, and then
in between the second trial that's when the OJ one happened. Yeah,
OJ happened and got acquitted. So their theory is that
(36:00):
the prosecution doubled down on the boys because they needed
a win, because losing the OJ case was such a
big deal, So that's why they went after them so hard.
And then they weren't allowing the sexual abuse evidence in
the second trial, and it was just this major problem,
and they made an example of them because in between
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their first and second trial, OJ had been acquitted.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
But that is interesting, So this all happened in this
same circle of friends, Like these are terrible fucking people,
all of them. Could you imagine knowing if if you
could count on one hand, like all of the major ones.
It's just like you so happened to have these people
in your circle of friends, all of them.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
It's just weird. Well, it is weird, And that's what
I was kind of saying earlier. Is weird with Luigi
and Diddy being in the same jail and then their
defense attorneys being married to each other. It's just kind
of unusual. Though you think, yeah, that it just so happens.
This attorney power couple got the two biggest cases of
twenty twenty four. I don't know. I just think it's weird.
(37:02):
But I don't know if this is just how rich
people act, because this particular like Menendez Brothers OJ crossover,
it's so ingrained in pop culture, even just down to
like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I mean, Kyle Richards
has talked about like hanging out with Chris and Nicole
back in the nineties, And I was just reading Paris
(37:24):
Hilton's memoir and she brings stuff up like this, and
You're just like, it's unbelievable how all these people know
each other and are intertwined in each other's lives.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It is I mean, I guess it's in theory, it's
a small it's a smaller community of people. But just
think about knowing multiple people firsthand that we're on your
inner circle that are accused of this horrible stuff of
like raping children and killing people, murdering people, murdering their wip,
(37:54):
slicing her throat, like it's just killing parents while they're
eating ice cream, just like well, wasn't there, which I
doled I listen, I'm pro Menandez brothers. I think I'm saying,
like their parents are terrible people. But wasn't there something
though that Robert Kardashian wasn't typically like a criminal defense attorney,
but he hopped on the OJ trial because they were friends,
(38:17):
because that would make sense why he wouldn't help Eric
Menendez out if he wasn't traditionally a defense attorney.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, I'm I don't really remember. I don't know. I'll
have to look into that, but I just do think
it's great or like.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
He felt terribly guilty because he got a guilty person
off free and didn't want to get involved with another case.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I mean it, I can't imagine. I mean, these
trials were going on the year I was born, right,
so like it's kind of crazy that pop culturally this
was happening, and this is kind of I feel like,
what really birthed the true crime movement that we deal
with today because they were so sensationalized and they allowed
the cameras in the courtroom.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Oh yeah, sure, OJ definitely was I I specifically remember
I was probably it was right when you were born,
So I was I was like sixteen, probably i'd say fifteen,
sixteen years old when that started happening, and that was
when my obsession was true crime.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Began, Yeah, all right, this one is insane. So in Boston,
this lawyer who was sixty five years old, he hadn't
been heard from for a few days, so his friends
and families as a police to do a welfare check
on him. So it seems like he had a house
boat in the Boston Marina. Police get there and they
come across this twenty four year old woman on the boat.
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So at first she gave them a fake name. She
said she hadn't seen the lawyer in a couple of days.
She was trying to stop them from coming inside. But
obviously that's suspicious behavior. So they're like, no, we're still
going to go in and check. So they go in.
They find this guy's body wrapped in a tarp and
duct tape. There's blood everywhere, which she seriously said was
from her period. And then there's you know, they're on
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this boat, so there's weights attached to him. She was
clearly planning on dumping him over the side of the boat,
Like they came like five minutes before. She was ready
to like ditch him over the side of the boat. Yeah,
and the weirdest part of this was her pink acrylic
fingernails were stuck in the dead guy's chest.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I'm kind of wondering, like, like what went down there,
because that's that's very interesting as far as like a
wound pattern goes. Was he trying to hurt her and
she was trying to protect herself or I don't understand
why she would dig her fingernails into his body so
deep until they broke, because think about, like as a
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person that has fake nails, if I did that to somebody,
it would really really hurt, right, Well, do you I'm
not going to do it unless I'm like trying to
protect my life or something I would feel.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Do you think it could be those ones you put
on the girls though, that you just put on in
your house with glue, not the ones that you have
to like sit at the nails and get.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, I mean it's totally possible, but even ones that
are glued would still hurt.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Like why you would?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I just don't know why you would. Why a person
would dig their hands into someone so hard? If I'm
not sure. They don't even say how how the guy died,
so I don't know. I don't know anything about it.
So I am curious to know more about that though,
because it is interesting, and it's not something that you
see very commonly for for an assailant to do to somebody,
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So I'm interested on what the take of that is.
But the blood from the period, it's just like, girl,
it's twenty twenty five. You don't watch true crime shows
like they're going to be able to tell real quick
that not only is it period blood, but it's also
your blood.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
But like a period, like your period cannot produce as
much blood as there explained. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Back in my day I used to be able to
have I had quite the heavy flow.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Well that's you. So they also found a dead dog
floating in the water nearby, which is really suspicious.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
She had a dog with her that was live, and
then there was a dead dog too, which is weird
and also fucked up. I bet you whatever happened, she
probably especially because she had tied weights to his body,
like you can't just easily move a man like that,
especially when they're dead. It's very hard to move dead weight.
And oh so she probably couldn't move it herself or something.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I don't know. The whole scene is just weird. The fingernails,
obviously are the weirdest part.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Was she She was twenty four and he was sixty five.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah. Yeah, it was weird because it seemed like she
had her shit together. They said she was a graduate
of University of Maryland, she was a former ballerina. She
claimed to be an entrepreneur and a farmer. So it
seemed like she had her shit together. So what exactly
went down? I think the whole scene's weird. She's been
charged with murder, she pleaded not guilty. I don't think
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her lying and then saying the blood was her period
is going to help her case, but definitely one of
the more unusual ones.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
I wish they would update us, Like remember that story
we had last week about the torso that was found
in the suitcase. It's like just nothing else about that,
you know, Like, don't tell us this news without giving
us the final story because we.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Want to know more about it exactly. Okay, medical news,
All right, So a renowned anal surgeon has recently got
on a podcast to discuss how we wipe ourselves and
his thoughts. So do you want to explain his theories?
Speaker 2 (43:34):
So he's saying that the anus, if you look at it,
it looks like a folded up accordion, and that's why
it's supposed to it's supposed to open up really wide
and it's supposed to close. So that's why there's all
of these skin folds there. And he's saying that wiping
it and everybody could agree with this, that wiping it
could you could be a little bit too hard and
you could get sore, and then you could get infections
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and all of that kind of stuff. But his solution
is saying, I'm a huge bidet fan. Okay, people would
probably be okay with that. I know they sell toilet
seats now that do it, but nobody has them anywhere
you go to the bathroom, especially if you're out in public.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
And then on top of that, it's like, oh, well,
he's he said, use the bidet. But if you can't
do that, just hop in the shower real quick, like okay,
I really want to hop in the shower after I
take a shit, Like come on, who wants to do that?
It's just not practical. It's to hop in the shower
every time you poop.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
So then he's saying, okay, so I'm a big fan
of the wipes. Apparently they're terrible for your whole too,
he's saying that it could it could ruin the microbiome
of your anus, so you have good bacteria and bad bacteria,
and it could ruin that bounce, which does make sense,
but you could get He says that he sees a
lot of patients that are having issues from using the
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wet wipes, so he's like, so another impractical solution is
he's like, if you do have to wipe with toilet paper,
then he prefers that you do it's standing and squatting
because it has less blood flow to the area if
you're standing versus being bent in half right, and which
less pressure, less chance of a blood flow going and
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a wound.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Et cetera. But like, could you just imagine like squatting
over the toilet and standing up and wipe it like
it's just and he says not to wipe either. You
shouldn't wipe, you should just blot. It's just not practical.
I'm sorry, it really isn't.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Like I understand there's all these things that you're supposed
to be doing and stuff, but you're just like, Okay,
come on, that's outrageous to me. I guess the days
are more accessible now because they have those newer ones
that you could just like hook on your toilet's seat.
But I never even saw one until I was ten
years old. And it's because when my aunt and uncle
were getting married, we stayed at my aunt's parents' house
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and they're like hardcore from Italy Italians, and in their
bathroom they had one, and I was like, what is
this weird contra? I never even heard of it before
I used one for the first time. I think I
told you this already. When we just went to some
Airbnb on our last trip over New Year's time, there
was one and I was like, oh, let me try this,
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and it was it was kind of like a weird feeling,
but it was cool. I was I still think you
need to use toilet paper there though, to like dry
it up right.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Well, he's saying you if you do use a bidet,
you have to make sure the area is dry afterwards, so.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, I mean that, yeah, because then you're gonna have
like drippy shit water in your underwear.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Like okay, so you still either need toilet paper or
you need a t and you're lot wiping.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Sorry, what are you going to use like somebody's handtail
in their hanging in their bathroom. The thing is, I
do think I might get one. I might get one
of those things for my toilet.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Actually, what the bidet? Yeah, we'll get one and report
back and tell us how your butt whole accordion's changing.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
If there's any Biday companies that would like to sponsor
this program because of the research that I'm going to
be doing on this subject, feel free to contact.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Us, okay. In Thailand, paramedics rust to the home of
this thirty six year old woman who said she was
having difficulty breathing. Despite the difficulty breathing, though when they
found her, she was face down on her bed drinking.
I'm gonna say, is like a bubble tea.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Out of the bull, slurping a bowl of sugary milk.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
So they determined that she needs to know the hospital.
But the problem here is that she weighed over six
hundred pounds, so they had to cut down her bedroom wall,
remove a door from the home, and then take her
inside of her bed on a tow truck to the
hospital because they could not get her there otherwise.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
You're not going to believe this, but this a similar
situation happened to one of Gabe's coworkers. No way, No,
I'm serious, because as soon as I read this story,
I was like, didn't I thought it was with Gabe.
I'm like, I've heard this story before. So then he
texted the fireman, who's no longer working there anymore, to
get this story. But a similar thing happened that they
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showed up and a person was seven hundred pounds seven hundred.
They had to take the person out of some second
story window and put them in a front end loader,
which I was like, what the hell's a front loader?
And he said, it's basically the same as a bulldozer.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
I'm like, I've heard this before. It's like, listen, to
see a human being being put on a tow truck
or a frickin bulldozer and brought to the hospital is
so dehumanizing, right, But like, what else can you do?
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Did you also notice in the photo that her foot
was like purple?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, you think she's having a little bit of a
circulatory problem, Like that's she all of that weight compressing
on your vascular system. It's terrible for you. I mean,
that's what's happening. It's the same thing that happens if
you of a giant tumor up in your groin area
that's compressing your blood vessels there. It's that your your
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foot is not going to get the same blood flow
as it normally does because it's blocking it off because
of all that heavy weight.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, so they brought her to the hospital in the
tow truck. But of course, you know, there was obstacles
getting her in there too, because when at the house,
twenty people had to lift her into the tow truck
because it's not like a car where you can just
strap a chain on it, you know what I mean,
this human So when they get to the hospital, they
had a whole other set of obstacles getting her inside
of it. And then the doctor had ordered her to
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stop eating immediately because I guess even though she was
having these issues, she just didn't stop. Well.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I mean, clearly she has some kind of a medical issue,
because this just isn't normal by any stretch of the imagination,
and no person would ever choose to.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Actually live like this.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
It's not as simple as just being like, oh, stop eating,
like duh. I think that she already knows that. So
she needs some intensive therapy and try to figure out surgery, medications, whatever.
It's so sad because she's only thirty six years old.
And you know, I've had situations like this working in
the hospital too, because the hospital's only and it's the
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same with the ambulance and everything. The whole world is
set up for average sized people. And now in hospitals
this is something that you might not notice, but just
look around next time you go to a doctor's office
or something. They have these extra wide waiting room chairs.
Now the hospital beds come wider now, like they're definitely
(50:37):
improving for what they would call bariatric patients. But for example,
the morgue that I used to work in was very,
very old, and it was before obesity was really a
thing when it was built, and it was made for
a standard size gurney to fit through the openings to
get back to the autopsy table. And I had a
(50:58):
situation once that I had to actually cut a person
that was super morbidly oby so over five hundred pounds
in the refrigerator on the specialized gurney that they had,
because I couldn't fit him through the doorway to bring
him on the autopsy table. And even if I could,
he wouldn't fit on our autopsy table. I mean, it's
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so incredibly sad in that situation that a person has
to live like this, because clearly they feel like shit
about that.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
You know what I mean. Do you think at the
hospital you worked at, that they at some point will
have to move, like build a new facility or renovate
that space to make it way.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I mean, I guess when they update it. I don't
see that them doing it. We had it happened a
couple times, but sometimes we couldn't fit them in the
autopsy room, but we were able to fit them in
the cutting room and just do it in there. I mean,
to do an autopsy in the refrigerator is not ideal,
especially for a person like me because I have reynads,
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so I'm very sensitive to the cold and my hands
like stop working when they're too cold. So it was
difficult for me to do the autopsy like that, especially
because it was a very strenuous one because of the
guy's weight. But it's not typical most people, I mean,
for some of the weigh five six hundred pounds is
just not typical like this situation. But when I started
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working at the next hospital I went to, which was
a newer build of a hospital. They had definitely taken
all these things into consideration that you would be able
to The doorways were way wider. There was just a
lot easier to get in and out of because of
the challenges that we're facing as more and more people
become obese.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
You know, yeah, Okay. Back in twenty seventeen, this woman
driving along Route seventy eight in New Jersey pulled over
when she started feeling a medical emergency. So this state
trooper found her about thirty minutes later, and he thought
she was driving under the influence because when he approached
her in the car, she was covered in vomit and
couldn't answer basic answer no questions. So because he thought
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she was under the influence, he took her back to
the station where she sat for about two hours until
they realized she was really having a stroke, and then
finally got her the medical attention she needed.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
So she's sued the police department now her mother actually
has and they've been awarded what twelve point nine million dollars.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Well, so originally they were awarded way more than that,
like into twenty million dollars, but they said due to
a pre existing medical sorry due to a pre existing
medical condition. It was reduced by forty percent, bringing the
total to twelve point nine million dollars.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
I So when I read this, I felt really terrible
for the whole situation, because I personally, I could go
back and forth with this with the police officer. For example,
if you're a cop and you pull people over for
a living, and I mean assuming there could be medical
situations for sure, but you pull up and see a
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woman who's vomited all over herself and is disoriented and
could definitely seem like she was high on some kind
of drugs. I cause, because like they can't do a
breathalyzer test. It would be negative if she wasn't drinking alcohol,
but she could definitely be high on drugs. I just think, Okay,
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how is this guy he's not a doctor, Like, how's
this guy supposed to know that she's having a stroke.
The family argues that she was wearing business attire, she
was in a clean car, she had no history of anything.
They didn't find anything that was unusual in the car.
Like all of those things together sort of maybe, And
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the only thing I could think is that maybe in
those situations when anyone is super inebriated or something. Maybe
they're supposed to call for medical assistance, and maybe he
didn't do that when he was supposed to.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Because let's say, let's say she was intoxicated and didn't
have the medical episode, what if she was in danger
of having like alcohol poisoning or something worse, or an overdose,
because I don't know, Like, that's what I'm saying, is
that is it protocol? I mean, this is cops could
answer that. Who are listening if if someone gets pulled
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over and they because there's people that are drunk all
the time that you just want to bring back to
the station and be like you need to sober up
and do whatever here. But she was clearly.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Like not talking right and also had vomit all over herself,
so you're like, okay, she's a little bit more. Is
it just protocol to say let's just get her checked
out just to be sure or not? Because that's how
That's the only thing I could think here, how they
could really get him for this because I just don't.
Speaker 1 (55:52):
Well, they proved in their lawsuit that the significant delay
in her treatment resulted in brain damage and permanent disability,
So I guess they were able to prove at some
point that he didn't do something right, because, I mean,
the state is still arguing that he acted in accordance
to their training, but something had to be deeper than
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that if they awarded her so much money.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
So there's a thing that comes to stroke victims which
is called fast. The acronym FEST which stands for the
F is for face or drooping arm. A, the A
is for the drooping arm, S is for speech difficulty,
and T is for time. Okay, time to call nine
one one. So a lot of those things, Like I'll
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give you an example. I used to be friends with
some guy that worked at the Emmy's office, and he
was at work one day and he was young, he
was like in his fifties, and he started talking to
one of his coworkers and all of a sudden, like
half of his face started like not moving while he
was talking, and that co worker immediately of course having it.
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Wasn't one of the physicians that work there, but someone
that works in the semi medical field was just like, dude,
something's wrong with your face. You got you better go
get that checked out. And sure enough, he was in
the middle of having a stroke. It's really important if
people notice that when they see somebody talking, because oftentimes
the person that it's happening too doesn't realize that it's happening.
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So my whole thing, though, is that in a police situation,
whether the pulling people over because people drink and do
drugs all the time and drive, how is he not
medically trained supposed to know the difference between someone who's
wasted versus someone who's having a medical emergency.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, I just think this couldn't have been like a
simple mistake.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
I mean, I understand that the delay in her care
resulted in her having permanent injuries. I just I personally
feel like unless I'm just missing because I did actually
read the court some of the court dockets, and I
saw that, you know, they were saying they were basically
blowing her off as being really high, and they had
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pushed her into the car. She fell, she couldn't walk,
so she had all these bruises on her legs.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
But I really.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Don't believe that the officer thought that she was high.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
He didn't think.
Speaker 2 (58:23):
He probably feels terrible that he missed this. Honestly, I
think you are and you and I are missing crucial
information from this court case, because I don't think it
was so simply like you're getting all this money, because
they don't that just would not happen that she would
be getting this much money. And this has been going
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on since twenty nineteen, Like it's just not that cut
and dry. So like, I'm sure they proved in some
type of way that protocol wasn't followed or or something like.
I just can't see it being like truly, because true, truly,
this could be such an innocent mistake, so like they
had to have pushed something further with the evidence has
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shown something else happened for her to get awarded this
amount of money. Yeah, And I guess I don't know
what they're training is as far as that, because I mean,
it is definitely possible that a person could be having
all sorts of types of medical emergencies that maybe they
are trained in a certain way to look for certain
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signs like this is how people act when they're high,
this is this, I don't know it's and really the
solution is just to have ems come check them out anyway,
and they would have probably realized it right away. It's
just a terrible situation because it's just I don't know,
Like I feel bad for everyone involved because you being
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a police officer and stuff. You in theory you go
for the job because you want to help people, and
like you would feel horrible if if you know that
you could have helped this lady and she wouldn't have
been disabled for the rest of her life. You know,
all right, no other death news, So we're just gonna
hop into questions of the day. Every Friday on the
at mother Knows Death Instagram account, we put a story
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up with a question box and you guys can ask
whatever you want. First, do your little children ever see
the graphic picks or do they have more big questions
about death? I mean, yeah, they always see the picks
because I'm sitting at my desk a lot and I'm
writing for the gross room, and then they'll come over
and be like, what is that. I'm trying to think
of which one I just posted the other day that
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they saw. Usually, if I'm doing anything that has pictures
of like genitals especially, I always just am extra cautious
to minimize it. And you know, I'll go into the
kitchen to cook dinner or something. I don't leave it
on my computer because my kids go on my computer sometimes,
so I try to be conscious of that. But I
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have like eighty thousand photos on my phone and my
kids are grab my phone all the time for whatever
to show me some stupid YouTube video or whatever. And
so they see they see stuff. I'm sure, I mean,
it is what it is, and they just say like,
what is that?
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And I explain it to them. But do they ask
you like questions about death and stuff too. They asked me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Questions about certain things like if they see somebody at
their school or something that's got something wrong with them,
they asked me about that. And they don't seem to
be too concerned with death. There was there was a
period where Lillian was a couple of years ago and
I just was like, yeah, you're gonna die. I don't
know if that like just clicked in her head and
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she just stopped obsessing over it because it would remember.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
She would cry and.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Be like, I'm just scared, I'm gonna die. And I
was like you are so so am I and so
is everyone? So's your cat? Like, move on, this is
the kind of mom you have. I'm sorry, I'm not
like a coddler.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
We know, all right? What kind of shoes do you
use storing an autopsy?
Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
So I used to have when I was at my job,
when I was doing a lot of autopsies, almost every
day or multiple times a week, I used to keep
a pair of galoshes like rain boots there that I
would put on when I did an autopsy because sometimes,
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especially if you have patients that have hepatitis C or something,
they're really really juicy. So when you cut them open,
they they're filled with fluid and their abdomen and their
chest and it's just a lot of fluid can pour
And especially like I was saying, my autopsy table was
so small it was made for average sized people. So
if you put a person on that table that was
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obese and you opened up their abdomen, the fluid just
poured onto the floor because the table wasn't wide enough
on the sides to catch it. And I had multiple
situations where my socks would get wet with like HEPSI
positive fluid or something. Even wearing those stupid covers.
Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
There was a.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Point where we would get from the gyn floor. You'll
think this is funny. They have these like booties that
go up to your knees basically to catch babies and
all that fluid that's coming out. But we always you know,
when people, when people are dead, the insurance doesn't pay
for anything anymore. So our supplies were just always scant,
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and if I could get them from the maternity floor
or something, that would be fine. But the alternative was,
like I just kept a pair of rain boots there
that stayed in the morgue all the time. I put
them on when I did the autopsy and took them off,
and then that was the solution.
Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
All right. Any Valentine's Day plans or traditions that you have, well,
it's the Eagles Parade, right, I understand it's the best
day this week, but it's dick to all the women
that are supportive and don't care about football, which is
like many of them. Well, Valentine's Day's pretty controversial because
(01:04:02):
everybody just is like so over and everything. Personally. Esthetically,
it's one of my favorite holidays because I really heart
shaped things me too, and so I can read pink
and red and I liked like scallop trim, you know,
all the fun, cute, dainty stuff. I feel like every
year we usually like have a nice dinner and we
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always watch this really funny Netflix special with Michael Bolton.
It's like some special Valentine's Day thing, but it's so
weird and it's really funny and like a bunch of
comedians are in it, and we definitely watch that every year.
But otherwise it's just like whatever, we just have dinner
and like a fancy dessert like Emil I normally wouldn't cook.
That's something elaborate. But I guess we're getting screwed out
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of that this week.
Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I know, I don't game might go to I don't know.
I keep sending on these videos from Instagram of all
the dumb shit that's been going on this week, with
like people pulling the light out of you know that
it's the light the traffic lights, Like people in our
city pulled the traffic lights out of the ground. People
are jumping. So I just saw someone laying on top
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of a Septa train.
Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Oh I did see that because I was like, that
is so stupid. I'm like, you're just around these people,
Like what is attractive about this? I don't understand. The
parade is really I went to the first parade and
it was really scaled back compared to like the initial
wind victory cause it's during the day. It's in the morning.
People aren't that drunk yet. Does it go up Broad Street?
(01:05:34):
Like where does it go? I think they start at
the stadium and they go like they're on a bus
where like everybody's outside, like on top of the bus
so you could see them. And the bus goes from
the stadium to the Art Museum and then they do
a speech at the Art Museum and then it's over.
Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Oh okay, so whatever. So that's that's during the day.
So we were gonna go over MoMA and pop ups,
but not driving anywhere near Pennsylvania, Sorry, Mom, But yeah,
uh for us, So the girls and I for the
past for a while, for like five years, we make
Gabe these like really fancy chocolate covered strawberries. It's just
(01:06:15):
the tradition that we've been doing every Valentine's Day and
he gets us flowers and I'll cook dinner and that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
It's nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
He'll get me flowers. Like I love getting flowers. I
have so many of them. I save every flower he
ever gives me, so I have like fifty bouquets of
flowers around my house.
Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Yeah, so I just look forward to that Regula usually
get me a little gift, I will say, since we're married,
the gifts are dwindling, right, dwindling.
Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Wait, I'm going to send you this meme that I
found on Instagram that I keep sending the Gabe. It's
just like, oh, so, like, you don't ask me to
be your valentine anymore because we're married. I guess it's
like all these like zingers. It is true, though, it's
just like, oh, now that you have it, it's like whatever,
I'll just get you some flowers and that's it. But
he didn't get me that box of chocolate from Vegan
(01:07:04):
Treats which I ate in one day.
Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Oh yeah he did get He gets me like flowers
and candy and stuff. But like one year I got
like a weighted blanket, a fancy anthroacndle, a heating pad.
It was really nice. He's like fuck you, Like he's
like yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, no, he's you know, they
(01:07:27):
tried their best, but you could definitely see the difference
the shift from dating and wanting to lock you down.
So then they're like whatever, I don't care any it is.
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