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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to talk about some DNA evidence relating to
some of the most high profile murder cases. People seriously
injured or killed by animals on vacation, another plane crash
believe it or not, another sounding injury, believe it or not,
and more So let's get started with the celebrity news

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of today.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
All right, So, first we have this story about this
model from New York so back in twenty twenty, her
name is Leah. She was working with the hair care
company con Air for a convention. So she claimed it
the convention that one of the stylists negligently applied this
bleaching product or her hair didn't remove it in time,
and it left her disfigured. Yeah, Unfortunately, this happens from

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time to time. I've had a couple of my followers
actually send me cases of them getting burned when they
were getting their hair bleached. And one of the biggest
things that should stick out to a stylist if this
is happening, is that when you get your hair bleached,
it's not supposed to hurt. So if one of your
clients is or you're doing it on yourself and you're

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complaining that it hurts really bad and it's causing redness,
you should immediately wash the bleach off and start rinsing
it a lot, like for twenty minutes straight, and that
will cause the chemical to wipe off of the skin
and cause. It doesn't mean that you're not going to
get any damage, but you definitely can reduce the risk
of getting a serious burn like in this case. Now,

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I don't know exactly what happened in this case, but
I'm going to tell you what happened in a similar
case to one that one of my followers had sent
me over five years ago at this point. And the
title of that post in the grosser room for the
listening is called butt heead, and you'll know what the
reason for that is. So, the woman had went to
the salon to get her hair bleached to get her

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entire head lightened, and the stylist had accidentally grabbed a
bleach that is typically not used directly on the scalp.
This is one that you would see when a stylist
is using foils to put highlights in someone's hair, they'll
use a stronger bleach. And what happened was that this
particular stylist used the one that was for off of
the scalp on the scalp, and it caused this girl

(02:31):
to have severe burns on her head. And she didn't
really I mean, the stylist just told her, Okay, this
is kind of normal to have burning, which they say
it's not supposed to be. But every time I've had
bleach put on my head, it's burned too. Yeah. I
was just gonna say every time, because you know, we
dyed our hair, yes, a fair amount of times, so
definitely every time we've done it before, it is it

(02:53):
has burned a little bit. But I mean, I guess
not to this capacity clearly now.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
So the so the woman that I wrote about in
post called butt Heead, she was saying her head hurt
so bad, and she finally said, Mom, can you look
at the back of my head? And her mom was
horrified at what she saw. And when you see the
photographs that go along with this case, you will one
hundred percent realize why her mom freaked out and was like,

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we need to go to the emergency room right now
and get this taken care of. So the woman actually
got referred to a plastic surgeon and she had to
get skin grafts because she had such a severe chemical burn. Oh,
another part I left out of the story was that
when this woman put this off the scalp bleach on
her hair by accident, she also put her under the

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dryer to help accelerate it. And it was so it
was a combination of a chemical burn and a thermal
burn as well. So she had to get a full
thickness skin graft, which is outrageous on her head. So now,
so they had to take skin from her butt and
put it on her head because it was such a
large piece of skin that had to be removed. That's

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why I labeled the post butt head in case you
were wondering.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
So in this case, you know, when you're explaining this,
I'm just thinking about situations you or I have been
in where you're getting your head bleached and it.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Has that slight burning.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
But then when you see photos of what happened to
this woman, it's absolutely atrocious. She's completely as the article
put it, bloody and mangled. It's really graphic pictures. She
said her hair can't grow back in that spot you
could see that it's a permanent scar. Yes, it's terrible looking.
So I guess I'm she said she has this heart
shaped bald spot, so I'm wondering if they were trying

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to do some like heart shaped bleach design in her
hair that just went horribly wrong. It's absolutely horrible. But
she first filed a complaint in twenty twenty two, but
they pushed back immediately saying she was in breach of
contract because I guess when you sign up to do
these type of events with them, in your agreement, you
say that they're not responsible for any injuries you might

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get in the process.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I could see if she had an allergy to a
hair product, I could see them not wanting to take
responsibility for that. But if they could figure out that
the wrong product was used or for the wrong amount
of time, or for example, they put her under the
heater when they weren't supposed to, like in the case
that I was just talking about, then there's definitely negligence. Yeah,

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don't you agree?

Speaker 1 (05:24):
No, I definitely think so, when I think the court
probably agrees too, because if it was as simple as
breach of contract, they don't think this would be getting
pushed very far. But now it's going to be going
to trial unless they settle beforehand, So.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
She's permanently deformed. Listen, when you're a regular person like
you or I, and we just don't we go to
the store and buy it, we don't really understand the
full extent of it. You're going she was a model, right, Yeah,
she went as a model to go get her hair done.
I actually did this once. There was this hair World
thing back in the nineties that I went to and

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they dyed my hair and cut my hair. I think
I certainly, I certainly didn't expect that I was going
to get the third or Greek chemical burns on my head.
Like that's just not even what people are thinking when
they're getting their hair done. So I don't know, but
I mean, if she signed a contract, then I don't
know if she would be responsible for it or not.

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It's just it's it's scary because we do go to
salons all the time and they use some hardcore chemicals
on us. I mean this the bleach that they use
actually opens up your hair shaft shaft right, and it
allows hydrogen peroxide to react with the melanin in your
hair tone so it doesn't look as dark as it

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normally is. Now you have to think, like if someone
like you or I walks in there and this this
woman is she's Asian, right, so she has darker natural hair.
It just takes a lot longer and the product needs
to be on a lot longer in order to lighten
the hair. That's just the way it is, and that
is if she has virgin hair, because especially a person

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that colors their hair and then tries to bleach it,
it takes even a stronger product and a longer time
to get that color out sometimes. So I'm not sure
where this is going to go, but I definitely think
a lawsuit is in order in this case.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I would assume the court agrees with her, because I
can't see a world in which you could just sign
a piece of paper that waves somebody of all possible
liability when it comes down to using chemical products like this.
It just doesn't even seem realistic that that's a thing
that they could uphold. So definitely they're letting it go through,
which and I'm interested to see if they're gonna just

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settle so they don't have to go through the whole trial.
Or if she's going to do it, because I feel
like the Jerry's definitely going to be on her side.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
You know, it's crazy. The woman that I was talking
about in the post labeled butt head that I did
a few years back, she actually didn't sue the salon
because apparently the woman that was doing her hair she
said she was a single mom and she didn't make
that much money and she just didn't want to do
that to her, which I thought was kind of cool.
But when you're in a situation, I mean, and this

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girl had to have skin grasps for crisis, Like when
you're in a situation like this where you're being used
as a model and and some huge company is responsible.
I don't know, It's just it's kind of tacky that
they're even fighting it when you look at the pictures
of this poor girl's head.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well yeah, and I think that's why she keeps pushing
forward too, because like, you know, you want to tell
them what happened, and then most of these companies are
just total dicks about it, and you're like, you know what,
I am going to take the time to fully go after.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, exactly right, Yeah, just at least like send me
some money for all my hospital bills.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
But I mean, like, don't use this product again because
there's clearly a problem, or like, do more research into
who you're hiring to do the process.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I don't know. It's just it's it is. It is scary,
but I think about especially it's not even from a
woman's perspective, because men might actually be more crazy about
their hair women are, honestly, like, I'm starting to think
that just the more and more dudes that I talked to.
But for you, you have to get some kind of extension.
I don't even know how you cover a spot like

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that on your head. I know they have all these
different kinds of hair products and partial falls and all
these sorts of things that they could put on to cover,
but it's going to be a hassle for the rest
of this woman's life, you know what I mean? Yeah,
of course, Okay, freak accidents.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Guys, another plane crash, Like, I'm sorry, but this just
can't be all happening in the last couple of weeks.
It's just it's very bizarre. And I know we were
talking to Lauren last night about how there's always aviation
accidents and they're definitely heightened right now with the media
reporting them.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
But this isn't you know.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
We talked I talked a little bit last week about
how like two planes clipped wings. I think that happens
pretty often actually, but these type of things, you know,
with the commercial airliner, in the helicopter situation, the accident
in Philly, and now in Toronto. This delta flight with
eighty people was trying to land on the runway. I
don't know what happened, but it seems like their landing

(10:08):
gear wasn't coming down, which caused them to land on
the belly of the plane and then it flipped over
completely and caught on fire.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Did you see video I sent you on Instagram today
of the people getting out of it? Yes? Yes, terrifying,
it really is. I don't know what to say. I
think that you might be able to pinpoint it to
a certain thing if it was all happening because of
the same reason. I just think it's some weird, coincidental thing.
Because with the first one in DC that seems to

(10:37):
have been now at least preliminarily, they're saying that is
that even a word. Preliminary reports are saying that that
it had something to do with possibly the radio of
the of the helicopter was broken and they weren't getting
the message that they should have been getting. So okay,
so that's an aircraft error, right, And so that's that one.

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And then the one that that happened in Philly, of course,
the one that happened near us. Did we even find
out what happened with that one? Not yet, right, I
don't know, But I mean that one, it I'm you
have to assume it has something to do with the
airplane since it happened right after it took off. I mean,
unless the I don't understand what else could have happened,

(11:23):
you know what. That's stupid to say, because the pilot
could have had a heart attack. I guess I don't.
I don't really know what would have happened in that case. Well,
you just don't know, and but you can't pinpoint it
to It's not like, okay, there was a problem with
air traffic controllers in all four cases. There's clearly an
issue here this one. I'm sorry, this Toronto one. When
I look at when I looked at the original video

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of the plane upside down and them having people exit
the plane, I'm looking at the runway, and I'm just like,
I wouldn't even want to drive on that street. I
don't know what the rules are with airplanes, but when
it's a sheet of ice on the runway, I feel
like that's probably not a good idea.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, the runway is like completely covered in snow when
this video comes out and they are saying that the
runway was dry at the time the plane landed, and
it was actively snowing when this happened. But I agree
with you, it's certainly not a road you would want
to even drive a car on, let a.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Little land the way it was dry, it looks like
it's got two inches of snow on it. It looks
like that snow that like sticks over top of the
ice kind of thing. I don't know, just that was
my first impression, thinking, God, they just landed a plane
in this weather. It's all gray outside and hazy and
but but I guess I don't know. In Canada and stuff,

(12:39):
where it's like that all the time, maybe they do that.
But I mean, and that one technically isn't even on
American territory, correct, I mean, they that would be responsibility
of Canada at this point. So I think it's just
it's just a coincidental thing. Maybe I don't I don't know,
I don't well level of expertise. I just know that

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the worst part of the whole thing, honestly, is that
as of this recording that I went to the AP
and it said that eighty people on board survived and
there was minor injuries those who got injured. And then
I read that there were nineteen people injured and three
were in critical condition, which I wouldn't consider that to
be minor. So I'm not really sure what the injuries are,

(13:24):
but everybody's reporting something different.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well, I'm gonna go with a couple of people have
critical injuries because I've heard that on multiple legitimate news outlets,
So I would say that's more likely what happened. And
I don't see how some people would not. I mean
most you want to say most people were buckled in,
so they were protected in some capacity by that, But
you always know somebody on a plane that tries to

(13:47):
hide that they're not buckled, and then when things like
this happen, you go flying around because you're not in
your seat belt like you should be. They that is
totally that's totally possible.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Because there's been many times recently when I'm flying because
I feel like people try to get these new tricks
so they could get ahead, and it's it's like as
soon as the plane's landing, they're like up and ready
to go, so they could just jump ahead of everyone
once they start getting up and everything. But I don't know,
I'd be scared to get yelled at by one of
the planes to flight attendants, you know what I mean.

(14:20):
But I don't know. Listen like that plane being upside
down and then think about this, like being in your
seat belt and hung upside down, because that's what happened, right,
and then you had to unbuckle your seat belt and
somehow get down off of that, especially if you're a
family and you were with your kids. I mean, that's

(14:43):
just this is why whenever we take a plane, I
want us all to be together, because last time we
got on, it was like me and Gabe or me
and the kids were together on one side. But then
Gabe had to get a seat that was like three
aisles up because it was it was the only thing
that we could get. And the I sitting next to
us was just so sweet and he was like, no,
your husband could come sit next to you. I'll go

(15:04):
up there. That was so cool. But in cases like this,
like what if something like that happened and Gabe was
all the way away from us, I would be freaking out,
you know, Well, yeah, of course, And I've thought of
the couple.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
There's only been one or two times where there's been
like really bad turbulence or we were landing or something
where I was like, I am going to pee myself,
like I cannot wait another second. And I remember, in particular,
on our flight to Denver last year, in the middle
of the flight, I had been trying to go to
the bathroom the whole time and I just couldn't do it.

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And there were really bad turbulence on the plane the
entire time, so they were like, you can't get up,
and I was like, all right, it's like two and
a half hours and I'm going to pee my pants,
like I have to go right now. And the flight
attendants like, you need to sit down because if you
hit your head, we're not responsible.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's when you pay right on her foot, that's all
you do in that situation.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
That's what happened when that guy ended up peeing on
that other guy, probably because they were just like sit
down and I'm like, well, do you want me to
pee in the sea and like have that be a thing?
Or I don't know what to tell you, Like I
have to go and if I get hurt or something happens,
it's my fault.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I'll accept that. But it's really like when you have
to pee like that. It sounds so silly, but it is.
It's really one of the most satisfying feelings in life
when you could sit down and let it out. You're
just it's it's just like this. That's why I told you,
like natural birth kind of felt like like once it
was done, it was just like this euphoria comes over

(16:31):
you of like I just got that out. It's the
same as that kind of a feeling. But yeah, like
I'm telling you you can't go to the bathroom like peep.
It's it's not like little kids that are just getting
up to like go wash their hands and see what
the bathroom looks like. You know those people are.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
But then you don't have that typical euphoria because I'm
in there and then the plane's shaking so bad and
I'm like, oh my god, this thing's gonna plummet to
the ground and I'm in this.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Bathroom, like, well, what's the difference where you are at
that point.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Because I'd like to view with my husband if something
like that happened instead of stuck in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I feel I feel like all of these plain incidents
that have happened over the past couple of months, there
has to be some people that, especially this one, that
they all survived, you know, I just would love to
talk to somebody that went through something like this. Remember
the flight that was a couple, It was probably a

(17:25):
year ago at this point when the door flew off
during the flight.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I think that's what started kicking off all of this
really last year because around that time, all those Boeing
employees were coming forward talking about all the issues they
were having, and then at that time, all those Boeing
flights were having insane problems like the door blowing off

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and people's shirts getting sucked out, and like what else
happened around I mean, we have.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
We really love to talk to somebody that because all
of us lie at some point, most of us except
my dad, right, I think I think that everyone could
relate to a little bit of fear of just being
in that kind of a situation where you really have
absolutely no control and just thinking about people how you

(18:17):
feel afterwards after going through something that traumatic, And also
you would feel kind of lucky because I think in general,
when planes crashed, most people die. So just surviving something
like that is is awesome to you should feel blessed
in one sense, but on the other sense, like I
wonder if these people actually ever want to go on

(18:37):
a plane again.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Well, I think Travis Barker survived a plane crash.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Oh yeah, he had. Was he on like a was
it a helicopter or it was?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think it was like a private a small private plane,
but he survived it. I don't really know the details
of the rest of it.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I forgot about that. Now that happened, he wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Get on a plane for a long time, and now
he's married to a Kardashian who constantly needs to be
going to Europe, and then he has now gone on
a plane since so I thought, because you can't like
really take a boat overseas like that.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Why doesn't she have to be constantly going to Europe? Like,
couldn't she just stay at home? And she got married
in Italy? Whatever, all right, let's talk about So these
next two cases have to do with animal attacks on vacation,
which is also terrifying.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, this fifty five year old woman and her husband
were on vacation in Turks and Caicos. So around ten
thirty in the morning one day, they're just swimming at
the beach. They said, they were only a few yards
into the water, and I guess the shark.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Comes upon them. And so this.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Woman instead of you know, typically when you would think
you would see a shark, you would be like, oh shit,
like trying to get away as fast as possible, but
instead she was trying to engage with it to take
photos of it. Of course, it's a shark, So how
do you think that went? It bit her hands off.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
So I rode a couple different articles about this because
I was just trying to get information to see if
they knew what kind of a shark it was. And
there are some witnesses there that are saying that that
photo story isn't true. Interesting. I mean, I know they
sell cameras that you could bring into the water, but
a lot of iPhones you can put underwater today doo,

(20:21):
like a regular one that doesn't have a special case
or anything. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, really well knew. I
didn't know that. I'm pretty sure anyway she was, she
was in it. So one I found a little bit
more details. She was in hip deep water, which everybody
could agree with in Turks and kkos is like that
really clear, beautiful water, and apparently the shark bumped up

(20:46):
against her. The witnesses believed that it was a bull shark,
so like a seven foot shark, a huge shark, and
it bit her thigh, and then it circled back around
and she put her hands out to have the shark,
you know, to try to push the shark away, and
it bit both of her hands off.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well that's a way different story than what other media
outlets are.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Oh I know, so I don't, I don't know. But
but regardless, the shark bit one of her hands at
the wrist and one at the forearms, so she has
no hands now at all. Do you think the resort
put out that story so people weren't scared to go
on the beach, because that's pretty much the reason you're
going there, because they have the most beautiful beaches. Put

(21:29):
out what story that she was that inten engaging with
it and that's why it attacked her. So it didn't
look bad on the resort, even though it's an accident. Well,
is it an accident you're in the shark's home. No,
it's it's not. It's this is well, we're going to
talk about the same exact thing in the next story.
But it's just whenever you go, it's like you hear

(21:53):
people are going in the ocean and they're doing this,
and they're doing that. They went diving. I remember there
was one woman that was like diving off a boat
years ago and there was a shark attack. And you think,
if you're in the middle of the ocean and you're
jumping into the water, like, why wouldn't you just expect
there to be a shark there? They're not going to
attack humans. But but maybe there was a real you

(22:14):
know what I mean. They're an animal, they're just being animals.
They're not trying to hurt people. And maybe maybe it
was provoked. I mean, you're saying it was provoked. How
would the shark know if you were trying to take
a picture of it, and would it get mad and
say like I'm going to bite that camera out of
your hand, Like they're freaking they have a small brain.
They don't think like that. Well, I guess this is.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
My problem with these animal attack stories we talk about
so often, is that you know, like, it's not that
it's not unfortunate that this happens, and it can be
considered an accident. But I don't like when people are
treating the shark or the bear or in the next
siece of hippo like they're a serial killer. That was

(22:57):
like plotting this plan to kill this person. You're in
their home. They're an animal. They don't have brains that
work the same way as us. They're just being an
animal in their environment.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I didn't hear anything about it in this case because
normally we hear that they're using all of this money
and resource to try to find this beast that did
this to this woman. It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
They did close the beach for two days, so was
that the plan they were gonna try to look for
it and kill it, Which that's not fair to the shot.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
It's just the dumbest shit ever, Like you're, okay, you're
gonna close the beach, Like that doesn't help. The thing's
still in the ocean. That's attached there, it doesn't. I mean,
I guess they were hoping it would swim away or something.
I don't know, but there's there's plenty of millions of
other ones to come back and take its place. They
that all, to me is just like a smoke and

(23:44):
mirror type of thing that the resort's doing to act
like they're doing something because they just can't do anything
about it. And it's you're not at a zoo. There's
no control over what's in the environment. You know. But
let's argue you where it is zoo.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
The animals are in captivity, not in their natural environment,
which might make them act out of their normal behavior.
So like it's still I'm saying it's not correct, But
what do you expect.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
They are not humans with human like brains. Yeah, but
do you want from them? I'd get that, like leave
them in their environment. But I'm just saying, like at
a zoo. At a zoo, you assume that you're in
a controlled environment. I guess the beach just because you're
at some fancy resort, it's not a controlled environment, you know.

(24:34):
This just whatever, Okay, talk about the next story, because
that's this is the same exact thing. In another country.
It's the same as I think.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
So this last year, this couple in their seventies had
booked a vacation for a ten day safari in Zambia,
which honestly sounds incredible.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah it does. But but but like before you would go, like,
let's say you and I were going on a ten
day safari, right, yeah, what like what would you do
ahead of time? Would you find out what animals were
gonna be there, would you learn about the environment you
were going in, or would you just go and listen
to every single thing the tour guy said, and just
like go there completely ignorant. Well, I do my.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Own research, so I would say I would look things up,
but I also see how easily they could have been
in this situation. So a couple of days in the trip,
they're on this what they're calling a bushwalk, which is
too observe hippos, notoriously one of the most dangerous animals
in the world in a river bank. So you're going
on this walk to watch hippos in their natural environment.

(25:35):
And they're saying these tour guides are with them, and
one of them has a rifle, Like I'm sorry, but
in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't think a simple.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Rifle is taking out a hippo, right, but whatever, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I just why would you even go on a bushwalk?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
If?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean, listen, I think.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Because the total company is acting like they do it
all the time and there's never like they're selling out.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
This is this is a hundred percent on the people.
This is the same as this woman that just got
her hands bit off by the shark. So in the
hotel that the beach was at.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Come on, no, you can't. You definitely can't do that.
Both parties are are responsible for this because of trying
to sell it as a safe activity and also in
your own mind not identifying it as an unsafe activity.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I don't know, I don't agree both parties are okay anyways,
So remember listen, remember a couple of years back, they
used to have tours of that volcano. Yeah, that all
those people went to and the volcano erupted and they
all got burned really bad and stuff. Yes, how is
that the tour company's fault because they're selling it as

(26:45):
a safe activity, but you're going to a volcano that's active.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, but people don't understand how the work. So I'm
saying like the company should not be selling it as
a safe activity, and the person booking the tour should
also be doing affect a research and see what the
risk closed.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
This statement from the from the guy that went on
the safari said quote, how do we hold up? We
didn't even say what happened yet? Okay, say what happened
for they're on this bushwk. You do this all with time,
they're on this book. I'm angry.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
They're on this bushwalk and this married couple is walking
through observing the hippos, and they claim that the tour
guides left them alone and that the hippo made eye
contact with the wife and started charging at her and
then it completely mauled.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Her and ripped her apart in front of everybody else. Well,
it crossed her head. Did you ever see them feed
pumpkins to the hippos at the zoo? Yeah, I've seen that.
It's yeah, they imagine someone's human head being in between
those jaws. It's funny because hippos.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Are yes, But I know, I'm a surprised that they're
dangerous like this is. This has been a known fact
for a long time. So if somebody's like do you
want to go walk amongst hippos? I'd be inclined to
say no, I would not like to walk amongst hippos
because they are violent.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Okay, so this is what this guy is saying, like quote,
had we understood the dangerous posed by the hippopotamus, we
would have never agreed to be in such close contact
like that. That just sounds dumb to me. You're trying
to get money. I mean, listen, this situation is freaking horrible.
But like saying that out loud just makes you sound dumb.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
But do you think that the company was I'm just
trying to think of everything. Do you think that company
did not let them know they'd be walking amongst animals
and they just thought they were going to be like
walking in a designated area that did not have wildlife.
You're outside, and I'm just.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Like you.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Listen, I just think that it said it was a
bushwalk to have them walk to see Anna in their
natural habitat. Like I know, I just am trying to
understand from both perspectives, Like when I am going to
go book a trip somewhere and there's all these activities listed,
like it is my responsibility to research those things, But

(29:17):
I also think there's a world in which that company
should not just be able to say it's one hundred
percent safe.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I'm not sure that that was anywhere. They probably signed
a bunch of waivers and shit too, honestly, and whatever.
Like Listen, when you go on vacation like this and
do something like this, you don't expect you don't expect
anything like this to happen. And it's terrible that her
husband had to sit there and witness that. But when

(29:45):
you're on a tour guide with a person that's carrying
around a weapon that's not for people to protect you,
you have to assume that there's something that could hurt
you really bad. That's why this person's carrying a rifle around.
And also it's kind of fucked up to go watch
hippos in their environments, so a bunch of people could

(30:08):
go look at it, and then if it starts attacking
someone to kill it. It's just Sen's what I was
talking about earlier. It's just like it's kind of messed up,
Like what this whole thing is just kind of dumb.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
You're in the hippos home, it doesn't it doesn't even
know that you're a person. It just sees that your food,
So why does it have to die for just going
about its normal? But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'm not even this like animal rights person. I don't
like animals at all. I don't really like them either,
like I like my cat. I'm not a huge animal person.
But I just also think that it's just kind of dumb.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
But what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong.
You should not kill the animal when you're in their
home and they go after you because they don't have
a human brain to identify. There's a difference. Stop comparing
them to like Jeffrey Dahmer. They're not the same thing.
It is ridiculous. This episode is brought to you by

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Speaker 1 (32:59):
All right, we have two d stories for you guys,
which is extremely exciting for me. So first we're going
to talk about Jack the Ripper. He is one of
the oldest and most famous serial killers that we talk
about in our time. So in eighteen eighty eight, this
unidentified man had gone around London and killed five women.
Newspapers because they didn't know his identity, referred to him

(33:19):
as Jack the Ripper, and for all this time it's
been this great speculation who was this man. Well, now
a researcher in England might have some answers.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
So apparently there was this shawl that was found at
the time when this one woman, one of his victims
was murdered, and they did have a suspect at the
time who was never arrested. I guess they had a
couple suspects, but nobody's ever formally been charged with the crime.
The crimes and they did this DNA on this shawl,

(33:53):
and I don't know, I don't know how I feel
about it, but he's claiming to say that they were researchers,
claiming the researchers claiming to say that they found DNA
from this one particular person that was a suspect at
the time, and what was his name, the suspect Okay,

(34:14):
So on the shaw they did DNA testing and they
said that the blood on the shaw was from the
victim of the shaw. And then they said they were
Semen DNA that belonged to a guy named Aaron Cousminsky.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Aaron Cousminsky, Okay, So he was a Polish barber at
that time. So they're saying that the Semen DNA on
the shaw matched him, and he had been a suspect.
And this researcher had claimed in a book he wrote
ten years ago he believed this guy Aaron was the
leading suspect and was Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
So I think it's personally a stretch to say that
he is definitely Jack the Ripper just because this guy
Semen was on her shawl I mean, don't, well.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Why why else would you just have seen.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Because because they might have had a relationship, Like, how
do you how would you even know that?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, I think there's a couple other factors that he
he Eventually, this guy he was suspected to be Jack
the Ripper, He was never arrested, but then he had
schizophrenia and he was put in an asylum.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
They're also saying that in do you know why he
was initially suspected? I'm just curious, like why they thought
of him to be a suspect to begin with.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well, people that knew him said he had homicidal thoughts
and he was just acting erradically crazy, acting really crazy
around that time. I don't know in particular how they
connected him to these women. I thought, I'm not super
familiar with this case, but I believed the lore at
the time was that he was only killing prostitutes. But

(35:50):
now they're saying that three of the five women had
no connection to doing any type of sex work. So, like,
I think that's interesting because that's the story I've always heard,
is like, oh, he was always killing these prostitutes, but yea, just.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
So were they. So the shawl belonged to a woman
named Catherine A. Dows. I guess that's how you pronounce
her name, And everything that I read about her didn't
seem like she was a prostitute at all. What's interesting
about these deaths was that they they were killed with

(36:23):
a sharp object, obviously, and her particular autopsy showed that
her throat was sliced and that was her cause of
death was the left common carotids. She bled out from
that injury. But what was weird is that they did
the autopsy slightly after she died. They said that her

(36:44):
body was still warm when they did the autopsy, which
is I don't like doing autopsies like that. But she
had these really interesting lots of different trauma to her body,
but one of the most significant ones was that her
abdomen was sliced open and she was partially eviscerated, meaning
that her intestines were taken out of her abdomen, and

(37:08):
the pathologist that was doing the autopsy thought that it
was strategically placed over her shoulder and across her arm
and thought that that was very unusual. And then they
said that one of her kidneys was missing, and the
pathologists doing the autopsy came to the conclusion that he
thought that this person might have had some skill in

(37:30):
anatomy because of the way that the kidney was removed
so nicely. But there's other people that are also just
like this guy didn't have to be a surgeon, like
you could just have killed an animal in the woods
and knew how to take it out.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
But an interesting thing though, is he was a barber,
and at that time, barbers were considered barber surgeons, and
they had a little more knowledge of anatomy than they
have now, So I think that's why they found it suspicious.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
So I don't think I don't think that that's right historically.
I'm not sure, but I there was definitely a thing
called barber surgeons back in the day. That's why barbers
still have the poles out front that have to do
with them doing minor surgical procedures and blood letting and
everything like that. I think the blue represents cutting the veins,

(38:20):
the blue veins, and the red represents blood, and the
white represents the bandages of the barber pole. Right, But
that was done like a really, really long time ago.
This woman was killed in eighteen eighty eight, which is
almost the turn of the century. I think that that
practice wasn't going on with barber surgeons that late into history.

(38:42):
Like there was a distinct cut off between surgeons, medical
doctor surgeons and barbers way before that. So I'm not
sure that that's historically accurate that there were barbers that
were doing surgical procedures in the late eighteen hundreds like that.
Well regardless, and like that guy was was a younger guy,

(39:04):
so he I mean, unless it was a family business
or something, I don't know, Like I don't even know that.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Twenty three back then was basically forty five.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
So no, but I'm saying if he was twenty three
years old though, it's not like there was a there
was someone in his family still practicing the barber surgeon
thing that he grew up looking at and stuff it
still was. It looks to me from what I've been
looking up in stuff that it was the mid seventeen
hundreds when that split occurred, that there was like a

(39:34):
distinct line between surgeons and medical doctors versus barbers. Now
I'm not saying that they weren't still doing these procedures,
but like we were talking about earlier with George Washington,
there was one of these barber surgeon people involved with
George Washington, but that was back in seventeen the late
seventeen hundreds, and that was just experimental stuff. You know,

(39:58):
they used to do blood letting it because they thought
that they would be freeing the body of disease and
things like that. So, and he was the president, so
he got whatever he wanted to get done to him,
even though they were advising him against it and all
this stuff. But this was almost nineteen hundred. I just
don't think that that was happening. And there is so
much debate between physicians saying like, Okay, this guy had

(40:21):
anatomy and knowledge and not like I mean, honestly, if
you have a body in front of you and you
cut it open, you could. I don't know why the
kidney was chosen over anything else, but anybody could cut
it out if you know how to use a knife.
You don't need to like in every other case. However,
it's a circumstantial piece of evidence that could go against him.

(40:41):
I don't know in particular how he was connected to
this victim, but it you know, you have multiple factors.
You have the DNA, you have what he was doing
around the time, you have that he was mentally ill.
So this researcher is really convinced that this has been
the person and had publicized that in twenty fourteen when
he a book and now has this DNA, which he's

(41:02):
trying to just basically close the case and be like,
this guy is Jack ripper, and beyond this, beyond this
short article, there as much other evidence this guy has
to suggest this is the person. But for now this
is his scientific confirmation in his mind. But other people
are questioning it as well. Yeah, because this DNA, I'm

(41:25):
questioning it for multiple reasons, Like this DNA evidence hasn't
been published in a peer review scientific journal. This is
just this guy's And like, honestly, this happens sometimes if
a researcher is trying to make something happen, they can
make it happen, but not to say that they're creating DNA.
But when I see a picture of this shawl, this
shaw is almost I'm trying to think of what it

(41:47):
would be similar to clothing today. Almost it's it's it's
it's almost like a punch, like a huge poncho thing
that you would wrap around your body. It's it's the
size of a blanket almost right. And in the picture
that the person's holding up this shaw, which by the way,
has been in existence for now one hundred and thirty
seven years with DNA on it. Right in the picture

(42:09):
of the shaw there's a person holding it and they're
not even holding wearing gloves, So now their DNA is
on it. That's a major problem. And well, nobody's been
wearing gloves, So think about all of the people that
have touched this shaw, that have been obsessed and interested
with this case over one hundred and thirty seven years,
not to mention the fact that the DNA can denigrate
and the DNA that was taken from this was mitochondrial

(42:31):
DNA and not nuclear DNA, which is a better it's
better to have a more distinct fit of who the
person is. So mitochondrial DNA is found in a little
oregonelle inside of your cells and it makes its own DNA,
and that's the DNA of your mom, so you have
So if we looked at Maria's mitochondrial DNA, it would

(42:52):
be the same as mine. It would be the same
as momms, it would be the same as Nanni's, right,
but like it's also the same as our cousins and
you know what I mean, because it goes to your
mother's lineage, So there's gonna be other people that have
that DNA, whereas nuclear DNA has both DNA from both
your mom and your dad, and it's just more specific,

(43:13):
and that's not the one that they use, So I
think I think that they might be onto something. But
it's a little bit of a stretch in a way
to say like this case is solved for sure in
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Anyway, Well, you don't know the other circumstantial evidence he has.
But if you're just gonna isolate the DNA component of
this story, yes, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And and it's and the weirdest part of the story
is that it's the three times great granddaughter of this
victim is calling for a new legal inquest and she
said she quote just wants justice to be served. Like
that's ridiculous. The person's dead for almost one hundred and
fifty years, Like, what are you talking about right now?

(43:58):
Why are we gonna waste any money on it? Just
seems it seems I mean, if researchers independently want to
do it just to get an answer, I just think,
are we actually gonna put a legal inquest in for this?
What do you get out of that? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I don't know, all right, new developments with Coburger. So
his lawyer's claim blood from an unknown man was found
on a handrail in the victim's home, in addition to
another's DNA found on a glove outside. All right, So
you're gonna have to explain a little bit about this
story for people who are living under a rock. I mean,

(44:33):
we've talked about it so many times. Brian Coburger is
the alleged killer of which I want to bring up
a point later, but let me finish what I'm saying first.
Brian Coberger is the alleged killer of four college students
in Idaho in November of twenty twenty two. They were
all found stabbed to death, brutally murdered. He was arrested

(44:55):
about a month later, right, and then he is currently
waiting to go to trial for crime. So the only
thing they had really tying him to this case for
physical evidence was they found his DNA on this knife, on.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
This knife sheet. This is a hard word for his heart.
It is they found.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
His DNA on the button of a knife's sheet that
was left at the scene. So of course that's incredibly
suspicious considering all these kids are found stab to death.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
So there's already been a lot of.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Questions about how they obtained the DNA match because they
ran it through ran it through a public system, came
up with one of his relatives. This is how the
Golden State killer was also caught fifty years after committing
all his crimes. But his lawyer has been arguing the
whole time that that's a violation of his rights, which
I'm curious how that's going to go down in court.

(45:45):
But now they're saying there's this additional DNA from other
people found at this scene, and they're trying to get
the case dismissed or get him off in some capacity
on this evidence.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
This crime scene must be a nightmare for investigators because
it was a college party house. I mean, just think
about all of the DNA between people going there, drinking,
having sex, just being teenagers spitting. You know, you could
have a cut cuticle on your finger and get blood somewhere.

(46:16):
I mean, it's just it's just really a lot of
DNA to go through, and just because it's unknown, I
don't know how they figure out what's known versus unknown.
They must have tested a bunch of people that were
known to go to the house, but before those girls
lived in that house, there were other people living in

(46:38):
that house. I mean, it's it's just a lot. It's
just a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
And because you can't necessarily tell how old something is, right, Well,
they couldn't.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
They couldn't. I have no idea. I don't believe that
they're able to figure out how long something's been there.
I really, I really don't know much about DNA testing.
That's a whole other career profession of people that know
the ins and outs of that stuff. It just it
seems to me if you just think about it, for example,

(47:11):
like even in my small little house that's over one
hundred years old, how much DNA must be in this house.
It's just skin cells shutting off and this and that.
It's just very hard. Now. I think the biggest piece
of evidence that they have, obviously is because they have
this guy that definitely shouldn't have ever been in that

(47:33):
house having a knife sheaf which also shouldn't have been
in that house with DNA on it under one of
the victim's bodies, right, So that's what led them to
other things. And there's other things too that they were
able to say something about cell phone pings and where
his car was, and here there was do you remember

(47:55):
there was that woman working at the gas station that
said she had saw in the news that they were
looking for a white what was that car, a Hondai
whatever it was. And then she had said she went
through the tapes from the gas station and saw one
driving by and they were able to ping the cell phone.
And there's all these different things that go along with it.

(48:16):
I've been saying from the beginning though, that there's going
to be there's something else with this case. And do
you remember when he got arrested, the very first thing
he said was did you arrest anyone else for this? Yeah?
Like I did, which I always thought it was weird,
and it's something you can't blow it off. It's something
that can't be ignored. It's very you could say, Okay,

(48:39):
he's a criminal justice student. So he just said that
to purposely throw people off, which is totally possible.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Well, it seems like to me they're trying to use
the fact that there's blood DNA from two other males
as evidence that his case should get dismissed. But the
judge rightfully so is like, well, we can't just ignore
his DNA that was on the nighte sheet. So no,
we're still going forward with it, obviously, because they'll need

(49:06):
to prove, like I am interested when this when the
trial does happen supposedly in August of this year. How
they're going to bring that up? Who it belongs to?
Was it other guys that were regularly at the party?
Brian Kober Like, you're saying had no business being in
that house. So his DNA being in there is the
biggest red flag.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
And I don't know what I believe. They were saying
it was touch DNA, like I like, I don't know
the difference, But obviously this is what's going to be
a problem. They found one single thing of touch DNA
on this knife sheet, but they found nothing in the
rest of his house. Nothing like you murder four people

(49:51):
and you have even if the guy was wearing a
tievax suit and somehow was able to take it off
and put in it a or something. I don't know
what exactly the guy did, but there was nothing in
the car, and nothing in his apartment. Nothing. There wasn't
a dog hair in his house. From their house, they
found nothing else. And that's going to be just having

(50:16):
that little bit of DNA does not it does not
convict him, you know, Like no, but somebody had said,
and this is true, if you go to a gun
show or a knife show, or something like we go
we go, like let's say we go to our favorite
knife store in Tennessee, right, that big knife store, and
you go and you're like, oh, let me look at

(50:36):
that knife, and you pick it up and you're like, oh,
this is cool and that's too much money. I don't
want to buy it, and you give it back. Well,
guess what your DNA is on that knife right now?
So if somebody buys it and use it as a crime,
like my DNA will come up on it and they'll be.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Like, yes, yes, but they have to piece this together
with circumstantial evidence. I mean, it's not like that's the
only thing tying him.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Like listen, like that dude's eyes are fucking creepy as hell,
and he's guilty basis.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
All right, Okay, this is what I want to bring up. Well,
we talked about Luigi last week, and every time we
talk about Luigi, we inevitably get messages and comments being like,
you guys are assholes. He is alleged to have killed
this man, right, even though there's a video that looks
pretty much like him. But let me just say this. Now,
we have Brian Koberger, who there's really not as much

(51:25):
clear as day evidence, such as a video of him
shooting somebody or stabbing somebody in this case, and because
of the way he looks, because he's scary, nobody's saying
that he's the alleged killer. Everybody's saying he definitely did
it because of his looks.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
So I just want to say it is because the
eyes in particular. Well, another problem for them is that
the surviving housemate victim, that Dylan girl, she wasn't able
to identify him. Yeah, but like which is also a problem.
I'm just saying it's definitely a problem. But when you're
in a state of shock, your brain is not I

(52:00):
don't just sing things. Listen, I don't even I'm not
saying anything.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I just want to wrap up what I was saying
with Societally, I find it interesting that we are so
willing to defend an attractive person when it comes to
a crime, but when somebody looks like Brian Coberger, he's
one hundred percent guilty because of his.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Appearance, even though there is truly if you want to
put the.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Case aside by side, there is less evidence of his
involvement in this crime versus Luigi and Brian Thompson.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Listen, there's Luigi is a nice looking specimen. I must admit,
even though I think that he shouldn't have done that.
But but Coburger is there's like a whole entire group
of chicks that think that dude's hot, which I I
don't see it, but like you're you're just saying that
we think he's guilty because he's unattractive, but like people

(52:48):
think he's attractive. It's just we don't but like people
think he's attractive. But you just can't ignore the stark
contrast between that case and the Luigi case and how
people react. I mean, listen, really, you're not guilty because
you're you're creepy looking like that's you just it's it's
unfortunate but should be taken into account. But one thing
that needs to come out of this case for sure

(53:12):
is this is going to be happening more and more
and more, that the DNA situation is going to happen
more and more and more, like a lot of For example,
when I did one of those tests, it said to me,
do you want to be put into a public database?
And I said no, I just wanted to have it
done to find out if I had any underlying genetic
things and also to do my genealogy and stuff, right,

(53:35):
But so in what I gave consent for is to
do a test to find out something for me. I'm
not like, technically, I didn't give consent to try to
see if my third cousin murdered somebody, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
So, yeah, but I think there needs obviously, because this
is newer technology, it needs to be more regulated. But
I think when it comes down to crimes of this nature,
you're like taking a human life. It shouldn't matter if
you're accessing it through a public database or not, because
you're talking about solving a murder.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
This person, oh Iley's life. It's just it's just a
very it's it's something. It's it's crazy because like in Congress,
you don't even hear these people talking about this, and
this isn't going to be for years and years and
years that they're going to get this shit straightened out.
I just think it's it's a I don't think it's
a violation of his rights, but I think it's almost

(54:32):
a violation of the family member's rights who didn't agree
to have but you consented to have it put in
a public data base. No, no, no, that's not a
public database. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
They said they accessed his DNA through a public database
through what through?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
No, I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
So twenty three and meter ancestry do not turn over
the DNA. There are public systems that are available to
any You.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Need to lose to that because I was under the
So let's say, for example, right, twenty three and me
is not public, you send your DNA in right, Let's
say you do this bit because right here they compared
the sample with data from public databases that came from
the suspects. Distant relatives are our services that are public data.

(55:21):
So if the police department subpoenas twenty three and Me
or ancestry dot com, they push back on that really hard.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I don't think they've ever given those over because it's private.
But you could agree to have it put in a
more public system like jedmatch, and then that's putting your
stuff in public to become posit. So that happened with
the Golden State killer too, that it was a public
it was through a public database, Okay, not through the
private ones, And that needs to be like that, that

(55:51):
is for sure twenty three and me and Ancestry are
very vocal about them pushing back on it because they
want their users to know their data is safe. But
when you agree to have it put in a public system,
you are agreeing to make a public information. Which that's
why I'm not understanding how it's a violation of his
rights if it's public.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I don't understand that either, because I was thinking because
I feel like I feel like there's certain ways that
you can as a as a I'm not a I'm
not a cop obviously, but there's ways that you could
get around twenty three and me not giving it. For example,
like if you sent and I know that you wouldn't
be able to use this in a court of law.

(56:31):
I'm thinking that if you send it in and just
say you're whoever, it will Matt. Like let's say you
spit in a cop and you put that your name,
your name was whatever, it would match that you were
my daughter, and then from there it doesn't matter who
the person that sent it in, you know what I mean?
Like you would find out like let's say, for example,

(56:54):
you had Brian Coberger's DNA and you sent it in
to twenty three and me just being like, Hey, I'm
a new user and I want to find out my family.
You can't they can't do that. That that's a leek, right,
So then what they did they can do because it's
public data. So then why is this even a conversation.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
That's why I'm saying, I don't understand her argument because
it's a public database. If if the police took his
DNA and put it into twenty three and meters with
a fake identity or used his name's I thought it
happened really that they were using like I don't under
the Golden State Killer, they're taking the DNA sample they have.
In the Golden State Killer case, it was semen from

(57:34):
a rape kit. In Coburger's case, it's the DNA they
extracted from the sheet. So they're putting that DNA in
and they're running it into a public database, and it's
pinging a distant relative of his, and then they look
at the relative, they break down the family tree, they
see circumstantially who's living, where, what age are they.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
What did they look like? And then they going, I
just don't think that they're going to throw this out
then anyway, they're throwing it out. What do you think
that they're just like throwing a bunch of shit out
there and seeing what sticks.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Basically that yes, because that's a good well that's her truly,
what does she have to work with Circumstantially, he was
creeping on those women? He has DNA at the crime scene.
Other people are coming forward saying he was in extreme
creeps there. I mean, unless she has and what was

(58:26):
his what was the OWLBI they said he had.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I don't be driving around the loan. I don't think
there's any Yes, he was meditating Maria. I don't think
there's any evidence that he was creeping on those women.
I know that they were saying that there was something
with Instagram direct messages, but I don't think that.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I don't know that that wy I thought he had
gone to the restaurant the one girl worked at like
a bunch of times.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
To me, that's that's bullshit. All right, Well, I got
I go to Chick fil A up the street for
me multiple times a month Like that doesn't mean that
I killed the person that's there. That's ridiculous. He lived
in the college town, it wouldn't be. Yeah, but you're
you're and he was vegetarian or something like that. Not
the last story to you're being closed minded. It's not
about the one detail. It's about the the little details
put together in one picture. It doesn't look good for him.

(59:11):
But listen, I'm not wait, we have to talk about
something else too. So apparently this I don't know if
you've listened to Nancy Grace about this, but apparently this
there's this guy that's on her show all the time
that has a YouTube channel and he's like a former
homicide investigator or something. I don't know exactly what he does,
but he was there reporting on this case, on this

(59:34):
the Idaho murders when it first happened. He was there
within the first couple of days of it happening. And
I believe that he was the one that pointed out
the glove that he saw on the scene and was like,
because remember Nancy like set up her table outside of
the house, Yeah, I did, which was great, which was outrageous, yeat,
and and so you there was police line you weren't

(59:54):
allowed over a certain part of the scene. And the
guy was like a former homicide detective or something, and
he's like he like yells over to one of the
cops and he's like, did you guys see this glove
sitting over here? So it was it was not initially collected,
I believe. I don't know if that's the same glove
that they found DNA on, which would be outrageous because

(01:00:16):
now that's that could be anything because that was days later.
Kind of I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I don't know, okay, But there's two different things going on.
The conversation we had about his DNA is separate from
this new evidence that they're sing. Like at first, his
lawyer tried to say they unconstitutionally got his DNA from
the sheath, So that was the first thing thrown out
months ago. The new development is that there was other

(01:00:43):
DNA samples that had been known at the scene, and
they did not disclose that when they got his search warrant.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, and they should have.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
They should have disclosed it. But you don't know what
investigation they've done on that. They could have found out
it was from a party three weeks before, they could
have found out the glove was from somebody that lived
there ten years before.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Like, you just don't know. So it's frush.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
This case is frustrating because we're getting little tidbits here
and there, but there's a gag order, so we don't
have everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
It is frustrating too, because let's say, for example, there
was a glove that had blood on it, How could
there not be any blood from any of the victims
on it. It's just so interesting. The whole case is
so interesting, and what is really scary about it, honestly,
is that if he or who, if he didn't leave

(01:01:34):
I mean I still believe that he did it, didn't
leave that knife sheath underneath of that body, we would
possibly never know who did this, and that is freaking
really scary actually, well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
In some capacity, but that security officer at the college
was onto his car pretty quickly, so he was. But
would they have done anything else if they didn't have
you know, well, they maybe couldn't have arrested him as quickly,
but they weren't going to drop that. They were looking

(01:02:05):
into him pretty quickly, way quicker than we knew publicly
before he got arrested.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Simply off of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
The DNA thing was just like a good moment for
them to tie it all together. Okay, medical news, All right,
So a new study is revealed the possible new use
for ozempic besides weight loss. All right, so this is
kind of really interesting actually. So obviously we hear about
ozempic all the time, all the Hollywood people are using

(01:02:33):
it to lose weight and such, and they're coming to
find that there's more benefits to it because obviously it's
curving crater or curbing cravings for people for food, but
they're also seeing that it's helping for other things too.
So there was this really small study done with only
forty eight people, but they had half of the people

(01:02:53):
on ozempic and half of the people were not on ozempic.
All of these people had been diagnosed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
With moderate to severe alcohol use disorder, and for nine
weeks they were in this study, so they had half
of them taking the ozempic and half of them were
getting this placebo they said. And at the end of
the study they had this party kind of thing that
they said, here's a bunch of alcohol and you could
drink as much as you want at this party to
celebrate the end of this study or whatever. And they

(01:03:21):
found that the people who were on the ozempic drank
less overall the nine weeks. They also drank less at
the end of the trial, the you know, the clinical
trial party, and they also said that they smoked fewer
cigarettes during that time as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Well, that's pretty cool if they could use it. I
know that. I mean, I don't know if it's like
approved for this purpose, but I know a lot of
people are using ozempic for fertility purposes. They're obviously using
it for weight loss. The main cause of ozempic was
for diabetes, so to see it could be used for
something like substance control issues oasly with that, it's cool

(01:03:59):
because I've.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Been hearing studies too that are being done that it's
for Obviously it's for binge eating, and now we're talking
about alcohol use disorder, but also excessive gambling, excessive spending.
The only thing so it seems like whatever the mechanism is,
it's suppressing that that reward system that you would normally
get from doing something like that. But the other problem

(01:04:22):
is is that it also suppresses your sexual drives. So
that might be good for people that have these sex
addictions or something like that, but for regular people that
might be a problem that you don't want to have
certain things suppressed. So you hear like people are sometimes
people are having symptoms of not having as much joy

(01:04:43):
and certain things are suppressed as well, so you have
to take that into consideration. No, totally, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
So last week's Valentine's Day especial, we talked about different
types of accidents stemming from pleasure, including two forms of
your wreath throw sounding. So in this case, this twenty
three year old or twenty one year old shows up
to the hospital and he has a USB cord in
his penis because he was using that for pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
So this guy had a history of doing this to himself.
He said he used cotton swabs wire cables in the past,
but he was always able to get it out himself.
And when Maria says it's a us B cord, You're thinking, like, okay,
this little, this little ten foot one that everybody has
that comes with their iPhones or something. And I'm thinking,

(01:05:30):
he just stuck the tip into his penis. So he's
got this. It almost looks like one that you would
use for a TV. It's a thicker cable, more of
a cable wire. I don't know when in what circumstance
you would use it, maybe for a phone connection or
something in your house or a cable box connection or

(01:05:52):
something like that. But this, this cable is it doesn't
say in the article how long it is, but to
me it's s I would estimate it's like fifty feet long.
It's frickin huge.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So wait, when you're looking at the pictures of this.
First you're looking, he like kinks it in the middle
and sticks that up his penis, so your men.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Just starts jamming it up, so the two ends are
like hanging out of his penis.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
So visually, I'm like agreeing with you, this looks to
be about a five to ten foot long cord, but no,
you're saying it's fifty feet so you're only seeing the
like the ends of it basically coming out. But he
has stuck this entire cable up there, which is why
he couldn't get it out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Yeah, so it's obviously it's not just up his penis,
but it's filling up his bladder with all of these wires, right,
And the doctors first tried to pull it out and
they weren't. It wasn't it was stuck right, So they
they thought, oh god, there might be a kink or
they might have nodded up there. So they didn't want
to mess with it too much more, so they put

(01:06:56):
him under anesthesia and they went up there with a
scoop and they figured out that there was no canks.
It was just, you know what I'm saying, the difference
between a USB cord wire versus one that you would
a thicker one that you would put behind a TV
or something like. It just was it was thick and
it was just not budging the way that they wanted to.
So they were able to go up there with a
scope and actually cut it, so they were able to

(01:07:18):
pull it out easier. And he had to stay in
the hospital for a week, which is long to have
to stay in the hospital. He was discharged with antibiotics
and there was his recovery was on eventful.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I just I can't believe people survived doing stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
This scan of the of the cable like all in
his bladder and everything is insane looking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah, it really is. And it's I mean, this is
this is the thing, like if we really think about this,
this particular case, it's like we just talked about one
last week. It happens. It happens all the time, and
these are just ones that are getting reported in case reports, Like,
think about all of the ones that are happening every
single day in the emergency room that just never end

(01:08:03):
up getting reported. You know, No, definitely, all right onto
Questions of the Day every Friday at the at mother
Nose Death Instagram account, you guys could head over to
our story and ask us whatever questions you want. First,
have you ever done in autopsy and found endometriosis where
you didn't expect to. I've never found it at autopsy
by accident. I mean, I guess I've seen it on

(01:08:25):
women from time to time. That's just in the normal places,
like over the outer surface of the uterus or down
in the pelvis like that, that would be a normal
place that you would see endometriosis. But I definitely have
gotten a couple different ones that were weird in surgical pathology.
So I had one that was from someone's belly button
and I have a case of that in my book

(01:08:47):
actually that this woman was bleeding, like literally getting her
period out of her belly button, which is crazy. And
I also got one from the omentum. So that is
the fat that it's kind of an apron of fat
that covers all of the abdominal organs in the abdomen.
So I've gotten cool ones in surge path for sure. Yeah,
because I guess in theory it could really go like

(01:09:08):
anywhere like that. The one time I got that belly
button one, it has it on gross exam when you're
looking at it and cutting it, it has a very
specific look. We got it for a frozen section, and
as soon as I cut it, I was like, this
looks like endometriosis. It just looks like a very specific thing.
And I remember telling the pathologists and he was just
kind of like, you know, we always have bets. I

(01:09:31):
bet you it's going to be this or something. And
I was like just satisfied that I was right about that,
because it just does have a very specific look.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
All right, how do you feel about body worlds?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I think it's cool. I think it's really cool for
people who don't get to do what I do and
don't ever really get to see it. It's very similar
looking stuff for the most part. I mean, it's wax.
It's just really interesting and I think that everyone has
the right to be able to see inside of the

(01:10:02):
human body. I don't I know there's controversy around it,
but I don't. I don't really get involved with that stuff.
I just think the thing is cool. I've seen it
a couple of times. You did you go with me? Yeah?
Well I was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
I feel like I was Lilyan's age. I was pretty young.
It was at the Franklin Institute. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Remember, Yeah, you were pretty young, because I feel like
I was in school still maybe when that happened. Maybe older,
maybe even younger. I'm not sure, but I mean the
one that came around Philly back in the day had
a pregnant woman and there was this whole room with
with like fetuses and jars, and I just think it's like,
I'm so for that stuff. Museums that show that stuff,

(01:10:42):
and I don't know, I think that it's great for
people to get to go see that kind of stuff. Okay, last,
what are both of your favorite Valentine's Day desserts? Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Can I just start off with we So we were
talking about how you know the presence.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
When you're married.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
So you know, I just got totally overshadowed because of
the Eagles parade, right, So it's like all day just
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
That there's probably there's probably many women in Philadelphia that
feel like because a lot of times, right, you have
a boyfriend and you're or a husband and you're in
a relationship or a girlfriend whatever, you're in a relationship
for a long time, and you kind of look forward
to that day because you're like, Okay, this day, he

(01:11:32):
has to spend time with me, he has to take
me out to dinner, he has to pay attention, and
then all of a sudden, you have to also go
to the Eagles game. And then the guy's getting drunk
all day and then the whole night is shot. There's
probably a lot of women that are feeling this way
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Yeah, So you know, I went to the parade and
like all morning, I'm just like not even like, uh,
can I buy you a coffee, my dear?

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Like right, it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
All Eagles parade, which I will say, my husband's very
good husband in sense of like spoiling me a treaty,
be special.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
But I was annoyed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
And then after the parade we go to Wegman's and
he's just like, why don't you stay in the car
since it's cold out, and then comes out with like
Macaroon's moose, two things of flowers. I was like Okay,
I just I just needed like a coffee and a
like small five dollars box of chocolates. I didn't need
you to like fivey something crazy. But I sent you

(01:12:27):
that funny picture of him outside the car door because
I saw him walking up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
With the flowers. That's just like he is an idiot.
I know it's funny because that's and I sent you
one back because I was in the kitchen in the
morning and Gabe had gotten up before me, and I'm
in the kitchen just whatever, cleaning up, and then I
turn around and he comes in from the back door
and he's kneeling in the kitchen with like two dozen
of roses he's holding in his hand, and I'm like,

(01:12:53):
and my first reaction is, let me get my phone
and take a picture of this, because I don't think
you've ever gotten on your knees. For me, I was
just laughing so hard. And then he had a hard
time getting up because he's old. It's just, oh my god.
We were cracking up. But I was like, that was
so nice. But we we have I think I said
this last time that we have a tradition every year
that we make Gabe like chocolate covered strawberries. Yeah, we

(01:13:15):
did that, and so that was cool, but I don't know,
I didn't really have any special dessert for Valentine's Day.
Meat loaf.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
It's like ridiculous, Oh you made meat loaf. We had
meat loaf too, Really.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah, So yeah, I like Valentine's Day desserts because a
lot of it are of raspberry themed, and I feel
like not a lot of places. I think raspberry is
definitely used in desserts, but not as often as it should.
It's truly so delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, it is so, I mean the obvious. I told
you that we went to the pub the other night
for dinner. Yeah, and they have that dessert that's called
peach melbat and it's like whatever peach melbat is in
an ice cream and Gabe was just like, you got
to figure out what this is. So he wants me
to make it at home. And I looked it up
and it looks like it's raspberry some kind of raspberry

(01:14:08):
sauce mixed with the peaches. So oh, that's probably so delicious. Yeah,
it really does.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
I mean, my obvious favorite Valentine's Day dessert is the
brownie battered donut from Duncan, but I can't eat it,
so I'll just buy it and eat the filling.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Oh so I bought I forgot to tell you when
you were here yesterday. Shit, I bought that brownie batter
ice cream from I don't know what the brand was whatever,
And there are chunks in it that taste good, but
it's not. I don't know. I just thought it's just
chocolate ice cream. It's like chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.
There's like balls of it in there. But it's good.

(01:14:42):
It's good. But I wouldn't ever sit there and eat
chocolate ice cream. Well I would, so all right, I
know I wanted you to take it yesterday because I
was like, I just I just was thinking that maybe
the whole texture of the ice cream would have been
like gritty and delicious, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
After the kids made us those cinnamon rolls, which were
really good, and then I don't know if you ended
up seeing the coffee Lily had made me, but it
was basically a heart attack.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
It was like you left.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
She made she fed the Starbucks iced coffee in the
in the glass, and then she filled it to the
top with like whole milk and then she made me
cold foam too and put more of it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
I know she Why was the little foam thing tampered with?

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
It was basically the color of the coffee was basically
it was a very light beige.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
It was probably delicious, actually it was delicious.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Yeah. Other than that, I agree with you. Like chocolate
covered strawberries are delicious. I had a little chocolate moose cup.
I like all chocolates. I even like those really shitty
boxed heart chocolates too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Oh yeah, like the one Pop Pop gets us. My
dad's so cute he got he came over on the
weekend and brought all of like me and all the
girls these like what is it like Whitman's Yeah, he
always does, like the ones from CBS. But they're so good, No,
they really really are. Of course, the little piece of
paper that comes with it does not always match up,

(01:16:07):
so you know you have to stick your nail in
the bottom to see exactly, like what's in each chocolate?

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Now I'll just bite all of them, yeah exactly. All right, guys, Well,
thank you so much. If you have a story, please
submit it to stories at mothernosdet dot com or shoot
us a message on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
So yeah, thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without

(01:16:46):
the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the

(01:17:07):
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