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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to have some updates on some recent celebrity deaths
that we talked about on Mother Knows Death and a

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couple new celebrity deaths that happened this week. Of course,
we have to discuss Casey Anthony's TikTok, someone pooping their
pants on a date, a teen without a vagina getting pregnant,
and middle schoolers who are tattooing each other. But let's
get started with the celebrity news.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
As usual, just the most unusual stories of all time.
All right, So last week we talked about actress Michelle
Trachtenberg's death. She was thirty nine years old, and as
a reminder, she was found unresponsive in her bed by
her mother, and she had a history of a life transplant.
So I guess now people are really confused because her
cause of death was listed as undetermined and her family

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refused an autopsy. So how does that work? Exactly? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
So normally, if you die in the hospital, then you
don't ever have to get an autopsy unless you want
to get one, and then you would just ask the hospital, hey,
could you do an autopsy. I'm not sure of the
cause of death. But in the case when the medical
examiner gets involved, it's a little bit different because the
medical examiner, they work for the legal system and they're

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trying to determine if people were murdered or how they died,
so they have jurisdiction over a person's body when it
goes there, and then ultimately they can make the decision.
A lot of times when they're going to do an autopsy,
people have objections, whether it's for personal reasons or they

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don't want to delay a burial, or usually it's for
religious reasons. In this case, it could be for more
multiple reasons because she's famous, right high profile person. Medical
examiner reports or public records, so people would be able
to find out information that possibly her family doesn't want

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to get out about her medical history, such as we
were talking about specific reasons that she may have had
deliver transplant and it could have been due to hepestitis
cea infection, it could have been due to alcoholism. If
that was the case, that might be something that her
family might be embarrassed by not embarrassed by but just

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not want it out there like that. And another reason
is that both of her parents are Jewish, so they
might object the autopsy as well. So in those cases,
the medical examiner will look at all of the circumstances
surrounding the case and then they will make the determination
if they're going to do the autopsy or not.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay, Yeah, I was wondering that about the Jewish culture too,
because I know that in their faith they typically want
to try to bury the body within a twenty four
hour period, so I was interested if that was a
reason for their refusal.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
So they have an and listen, I'm no expert of
Judaism by any means, but I just know this from
working in the field as long as i've been that
they have pretty strict rules to not desecrate the body
after it's dead. And they say if pieces of the
body need to be removed, especially at an autopsy, like

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let's say, for example, we take out the brain and
we need to look at it two weeks later with
a neuropathologist, they they act like the body's not even
getting buried at all, if it's not buried in whole.
And this is actually a really interesting fact because when
Gabe went to the condo collapse in Miami a few
years ago, there was a lot of Jewish people there,

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and they were very specific on collecting all of the
human remains for each person and keeping them together, because
that's very much in line with their religion. Now, they
do have some exceptions for autopsies if they believe so.
For example, I guess organ donation would fall under this too.
If they believe for whatever reason that the autopsy needs

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to be done or I guess organ donation, and that
circumstance needs to be done in order to save someone's life,
whether it's helping with treatments or actually helping a person
that's alive live, then they kind of are okay with
bending the rules a little bit in that circumstance. But
we so if they ask the medical examiner, please don't

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do this autopsy, and the medical examiner is pretty certain
that she wasn't murdered, then they'll say, okay, we're going
to do an external exam. So they're going to look
at her body and they're going to go over everything
and know anything and see if anything is out of place.
Everything that they could do without actually cutting her body open.
If they were suspicious that it was a homicide, then

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the medical examine or could say basically, I don't care
what your religion is, we're cutting her open. They could
override your requests. We do do an autopsy that's very
in line with their beliefs of getting buried in hold
because typically when we do an autopsy, we take all

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the organs out and we keep lots of pieces of
them in jars, so we could go back to it
if we have to after the body's gone. But there
is an autopsy technique that we do that's called the
Rokatanski and that is when we open the body and
we do what's called an insight to autopsy. So we
open it and we just look at all the organs
and poke around, but we keep everything in place, sew

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them up and send them back. But again, like you
were saying earlier, that has a lot to do with
them getting buried as fast as possible, and sometimes that's
just not possible to do an autopsy and get the
body out in a couple hours.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So in a typical autopsy, when you guys are cutting
out the organs, in a normal case where you would
cut out the or do you put them back in
the body in bags if the family wants all the
piece or do you like, how did you put them
back in?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean we'll use a biohazard bag or even
a viscera bag as it's called. It's just essentially a
plastic trash bag, and we put all the organs in there,
and then we put them back inside the body and
sew them up and send them back to the funeral director. Now,
sometimes we like I said earlier, when if you have

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a person that has died from something and their brain
needs to be examined, sometimes we keep the brain because
we have to fix it in formaldehyde, a formaldehyde mixture
which is stronger than the normal formal and we use
for organs, and it could take a longer time to
firm up the brain, and we want it to get

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harder because normally the brain is the consistency of like
not even jello, like a very soft jello, and we
want to make it firmer. So when we cut the slices,
it's very very smooth slices. So we could look at
the anatomy and also you want a special pathologist to
look at that. That's called a neuropathologist, and they specialized

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in brain pathology. So oftentimes maybe a neuropathologist can't look
at the brain for a week or two, and so
we keep it. It never goes back to the person
that goes to the funeral home. Ever, we'll keep it
a couple months and then we'll throw it out with
the with the medical waste after a couple of months.
But so there are possible there are circumstances where people

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aren't buried with one hundred percent of their organs after
an autopsy, but we can accommodate it in most cases.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I think that. You know, a lot of times
these news outlets are reporting on these things, and when
I was reading this, I think they did a decent
job at explaining it. But hearing it from you a
medical professional is like easier to digest something about the
way they explain their protocol after a person dies. They're
always trying to make it seem suspicious, right in every case,

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it's not super suspicious.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
To their defense, they don't know what they're talking about,
so they're just looking stuff up or hearing something and
repeating it and it doesn't translate right because they're not
making sense of it, and it sucks because after we
recorded on Thursday, it was hours later I hear, oh,
her manner of death is going to be or her
cause of death. I'm not sure if it was manner

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or cause, but undetermined. So oftentimes too, let's person and
I've run across the situation, and sometimes a person's found
dead at home, they're sixty years old, they don't really
know why they died, but on the external exam we
see that they have like a sternal scar right, and
that would indicate, okay, this person's had open heart surgery.

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At some point, the investigators get the information from their
physician and they call their physician and say, hey, you're
a patient that's sixty some years old just died. Is
there a reason that he should be dead right now?
And the doctor might say, yeah, you know, he was
having heart failure and we tried this, and we tried that,
and it's just like he never really got better. And

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they'll say, well, you signed the death certificate. And then
the doctor will say, yeah, I'll sign the death certificate.
He had a reason to die. That could have happened
in this case too as well.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
That they could have I mean, if they knew that.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
She was rejecting the organ or what I mean, she
had to be rejecting the organ because they were her
neighbors were saying that her eyes were yellow, So clearly
she was in liver failure again. Whatever whatever caused it,
I'm not sure, but people she was in the hospital.
Her friend said, so like somebody knew that was taking
care of her that she wasn't doing good, and that
person might have just said, I'll sign the certificate. They

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don't know exactly what was the triggering thing that caused it,
but they definitely know that she didn't she wasn't murdered.
Another situation, in all honesty, is that is suicide, and
that's not a determination to do an autopsy in all
circumstances too. They're only doing it to rule out if
a person was murdered, so again, that could be something

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the family doesn't want the public to know as well.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Why though, the suicide thing confuses me though, because I
just feel like they're not that it's super common, but
it's not necessarily rare that a person is murdered or
something and then it's set up to look like a suicide.
So why wouldn't they do it in a suicide, even
if there was obvious signs and a note and everything.

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They do in.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Most circumstances, but like a circumstance like this, you could
see why they wouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
There could be.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
You know, she had a chronic medical illness. There could
be a history of her having depression, suicidal ideations, like,
we don't know any of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, her mom.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Her mom might not be shocked and it might not
even be a medical thing. She might have just been like,
fuck this, I'm not doing this anymore. And like with
all of this history and the way she was found
and her high profile status and her religion, it's a
case by case basis.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, all right, well let's move on to the next
two celebrity death updates we have. So first we have
Gene Hackman. Of course, again, right after we recorded, way
more information came out, Like truly, I think we hit
stop record and then I was flooded with messages about
new stuff. Right, so people had thought it was carbon
monoxide poisoning, but it ended up not playing out that way.

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So what are the leading theories now? I think you
were pretty on the ball with it.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, So we when we spoke last the carbon monoxide.
We already knew that that was ruled out because the
firefighters said that there was no carbon monoxide reading, although
I believe the next day or the day after, the
blood work showed that there was no carbon monoxide. So
that's been one hundred percent rolled out. What was new
that we didn't hear last week? So we were talking

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about how long she was there, and you were saying
that they said she they were there at least one day. Well,
now we found out several things. Number one because I
remember texting you right after this came out and them
saying something about her body being bloated with signs of
mummification and his looking similar.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, so yeah, we were originally recording, I had read
that they were there at least a day. So in
my mind, I'm reading that as you know, they think
it happened within the last day or two, not that
somebody's mummified and his pacemaker has data that goes back
like what nine days or.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
February seventeenth was the last time it was read. So
so yeah, I texted Maria and was just like, where
did you read one day? Because they were mummified and
there's no way that that happened in one day, and
you know, so then we start learning other things. So
let's talk about a pacemaker for a little bit. So
do you know anything about those?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I generally know it's something that helps your heart, but
I don't really know anything beyond that. So so you.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Could get them for different medical situations involving the heart.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
They come in all.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Different shapes and sizes and they do different things, but
the overall thing is that it's a small implantable electric
device that helps the heart rhythm stay normal. So some
people have atypical heart rhythm. So the thing doesn't necessarily
work all day, but when it feels like it needs to,
it'll zap the heart and make it continue to beat regularly. Now,

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it's a piece of metal that goes underneath of the collarbone,
and you could grab it on someone and feel it,
so that this metal is the actual battery of the device.
And then there's usually electrodes that lead out of it
and go into the heart, like little pieces of wire
that are coated in plastic that go into the heart chamber.

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And some of the newer ones don't even have that,
but he probably had one of the old school ones.
They're really they're really interesting to do an autopsy with.
I got zapped with one one time.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I don't know exactly what happened because I've done so
many autopsies with people with pacemakers, and usually I would
just once I'm reflecting the skin so it's right underneath
the collarbones. So when I'm removing the skin off of
the ribs, you have these wires that are going into
the heart, and usually I would just cut it right
there so I could keep the wires in place and

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make sure they were in place. And one of the
times I cut the wires, it zapped.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Me a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
It wasn't like it threw me on the floor or anything,
but it just freaked me out. So then every single
time I did an autopsy after that, I was always
like thinking I was going to get like a little
ding to my body. And it's not typical. It only
happened that one time. It was really weird. But they
they're so if you have one, you have to tell

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if you go to an MRI, you have this huge
piece of metal and planet it in your body. If
you get an MRI, you have to tell them if
you go through a metal detector it will go off.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
And they even say that.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
If you use your cell phone, you shouldn't use your
cell phone too close to it because it could affect.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
The way that it works, which is nuts, right.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
They say to use your other ear to talk on
the phone and stuff, which is really interesting. But these things, again,
like I was saying, there's all different kinds. So some
of them have they're connected to your doctor's office.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
So they send reports.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
So the doctor will set up a schedule and say
every couple weeks, send me a report on this pacemaker
and it'll go. And this way they could tell if
something major is happening, like the battery is about to
die or something on a person. But it's not continuously
moditoring a person. So if a doctor gets a report
and says, hey, this person's battery died, like, get them

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in and then you're able to fix that now, because
people have too much of a gap in between their
doctor's appointments, so this is just a way to kind
of keep on top of them a little bit more regularly.
They also have the they have the ability to continuously
monitor people and for even more things that are going on.

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And I'm not so it's like, I'm not sure which
one he had, but I'm assuming he probably had the
one that just did the periodic checks, because if it
was continuously monitoring him, it would have sent an alert
to the doctor right away that it wasn't working anymore,
and the doctor would have known it wouldn't be nine
days or whatever it was. So that's just what I'm

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assuming that the doctor did not get the message that
the things stopped working, but they're able to check the
log and see, which is it's kind of crazy that
you could have something implanted in your body that they're
able to monitor, like the last day your heart was
beating correctly.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, I always wonder that about the order ring because
I'm like, let's say you're wearing it and you end
up dying, it would stop detecting your heart beat, right, yeah,
oh totally. Yeah, So you could really, in theory, if
somebody who was actively wearing that or an Apple watch
or whatever one of those devices, you could see like
the exact not exact moment, but give her take around

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the time in which they died.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, it's really interesting. So I mean that's really the
only information we got. One other information that we did
get that is pretty significant is that they did say
that there was no signs of trauma on either body,
but then when they did the actual autopsy, they confirmed
that there was no trauma on either body. So before

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one of my three or four theories was that she
could have fell, and I think at this point that's
ruled out. There was no skull fracture, there was no
brain bleed, So she died of natural causes as far
as that's concerned, and so did he. Unless their toxicology
comes up with something weird and crazy, we don't know.
So it looks like she didn't fall. Now let's talk

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about the mommification a little bit. She was found apparently,
so I believe I was correct about the dog. The
dog was locked up and seems like it died from starvation.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Or cohdation or something like that. I didn't realize at
first that the dog was apparently like in a cage
or something. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I think that I said that last time, that it
was in a closet. So I was like, the only
reason that dog's dead is because it just was so
happened to be in a krate or something, you know
what I mean. So so that doesn't make the story
as weird anymore, because that's what's going to happen if
there's an animal that which is actually terrible to think
that the animal was in a cage, just like watching
his owner be dead like that. And it also kind

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of makes me think that their deaths like rolling out
suicide a little bit more because I feel like, if
you were doing that intentionally, you wouldn't. You wouldn't do
that to one of your pets. They were like their babies,
you know what I mean, That would.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Just be well. Doctor Boden had been interviewed for this
article we're referencing in particular, and I guess his leading
theory was that Gene Hackman may have fell and then
in some type of panic, she ran to go maybe
get him medication or something to help him out. And
then he also theorized that she might have fell, but

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then said because of the excitement of Jane falling, she
might have then had a cardiac episode two.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
So I think I'm gonna roll that out though, because
they said there was no trauma. So if you fall,
especially if you're ninety five years old, there's going to
be like a ninety five year old you could like
bump their arm against the table and have a huge
hemorrhage under their skin.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
You see old.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
People with these bruises all over them all the time.
It's called senile echamosis. It happens because you don't really
have that much subcutaneous fat underneath your skin anymore, so
it's just like a layer of skin on top of
your blood vessels and they just burst super easy. So
I just I'm rolling that out. There was no evidence.

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Even if she fell, it would just be like it
would have to be so bad that it would leave
trauma or something, and it just didn't.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
So I just I don't agree with that. Honestly. He
was saying that Jean fell, she was running. This is
his theory. Fell. The wife Betsy was running to try
to get him some kind of care or medication or something,
and she either fell or she had a cardiac event
that caused her to die because of the stress of

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him falling or something. That was just his theory. But
I know, but but like that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
It just didn't, like there was there was no evidence
that anybody felt That's what I'm trying to say, So
that theory's out the window. There is an unusual condition
that's called Takasubo arteritis, and it's it's like the broken
heart syndrome. So it is possible that he died and
then she died of having spasms in her heart. It's

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just like this weird phenomenon that happens sometimes when people
have a severe emotional distress, like losing a loved one
or even if they get really really scared or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
So that's a possibility. Yeah, I think that's what he
was saying. As the alternative, she fell or she had
a cardiac event. Okay, not so simultaneously, so it's so regardless.
I think that that's completely a possibility. And then obviously
once the toxicology comes back, if they rule out everything

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with that, that could be fine. There was no evidence
of I wouldn't say they had food poisoning in the
sense of what you would what you would typically think
with a bacteria, or even if they had something crazy
like botulism or something, because there just didn't seem to
be any evidence that they were having any kind of
like g I or upper GI distress, although that doesn't

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mean anything if they were clean about it. But I
guess in theory they could have gotten poisoned with like
arsenic or something too, But like, who's doing that? I
just I think they didn't.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
They live in a secure like a security guard out
front a gated community or whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
That doesn't mean anything. But can they tell if they
can't really tell who died first necessarily right, well, they
they can depending on the level of decomposition. So this
is the thing that's going to be a little bit
weird because she was found I guess, in the bathroom
and she was in front of a space heater. They
didn't say if the space heater was on or not,

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which would be important. But if you're in a house
that's contained, and you're in New Mexico, which is already
warmer as it is, and it's very dry, you're in
the desert, and you're in a house that doesn't have
any insects, you breaking down. The normal way of decomposing
is just a little bit different because the bacteria needs

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water in order to break down, and if you're in
a very dry environment, that especially if the air conditioner
was on. But at the same time, so the wind
from the air conditioners blowing, but at the same time
there's a space heater on, that's also heating and blowing,
it could just dry out the skin, So that would
make sense as to why there was mummification. He was

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found in the house as well. Yeah, he is in
the mudroom and she was in the and where the
dog the other two dogs were They outside? They said
they were roaming around And I remember last week there
was a report that their front door was a jar.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, I do remember that, So yeah, I mean I
don't I The only reason I'm asking that is because
obviously animals in the house that don't have any food,
that have dead bodies there, which we are actually going
to talk about with the next update, that that's what happened.
So they didn't say anything that there was evidence that
the animals were eating them, But they also aren't telling

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us everything either, So this is just one of those
cases where we just need to wait for the toxicology
because then we could find out more. Also, if they
are suspecting that she had a cardiac event or he
had a cardiac event, whatever, they're going to take sections
of their heart to look at it under the microscope,
and that could also take a couple of days. And

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also you kind of have issues because when a person
starts decomposing, Sometimes their tissues on their microscope don't look great,
and sometimes it's not as easy to figure out why
they died. So the biggest thing I guess we're waiting
for right now to summarize this all is like we
just have to wait and see what the toxicology says
and go from there.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
And that could be a couple weeks still, right, Yeah,
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I feel like in these cases, like whenever it's the
high profile cases, they could expedite it. I don't know
what their caseload there is in New Mexico, but I
mean they have so many cases, and a lot of
times they say, like we're not cutting anyone in line.
They're just gonna have to wait. So we'll say and
as soon as we find out, we'll do like a
breaking news episode talking about it.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, all right, So let's move on to the last
update we have. So my chemical romance drummer Bob Bryer,
he was found dead a couple months ago. We talked
about that, right, we had talked about it, and he
was a case where he was severely decomposed and they
had found evidence that his dogs were eating him and
now the Emmy is saying that three large canisters of

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nitrous oxide were found next to his body.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, oxides the stuff that they give you at the dentists, right,
laughing gafts, and they give you just enough for you
to feel euphoric. And that's that's why people do whip
its because it's in whip cream containers and everything.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
But if you have too much.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Of it, it can replace the oxygen in your blood
and on your blood cells then could cause an asphyxial death,
similar to like carbon monoxide poisoning or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
So yeah, I guess, because I guess we've talked about
this on here before. How you could just easily buy
the canisters, right, because yes, so they're talking about it
with like kids on TikTok doing it.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, and you can, well, they sell it. They sell
it on Amazon because you could buy it to make
your own homemade whip cream. They sell it. I mean,
it's not hard to get and you could get it
from just buying a normal can of whip cream.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I literally have it in my refrigerator right now. I guess.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
They said they found three large canisters of the nitrous oxide,
but they also said that his body was so decomposed
that they weren't really able to say or determine if
it was a suicidal that he killed himself on purpose,
or it was an accidental overdose. And I think that
that's important to note because everybody gets a little confused

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and but heard about that sometimes. But you have to
think about this, like if the guy just had it
because that was his drug of choice and he was
getting high on it and that's why he had it,
then he didn't mean to die. He just was getting
high and he died because he took too much. Whereas
people that kill themselves intentionally ingest a lot of it

(26:38):
because they want to die. And that's the difference between
putting the matter of death is accident versus suicide. You
could argue all the time about it and say, Okay,
if they were doing it, they knew they were gonna die,
and it's like yeah, but that's that's not how it works.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
So would this then be undetermined If they can't officially
confirm if he did it intentionally.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
They possibly put the death as undetermined. They will do
an investigation to see if he had Like now it
changes if he had a suicide note there and he
had a history of suicidal ideations and all this stuff,
and I don't really know about that, but even then,
I mean, it's just hard to say because I believe
that they weren't able to get really true levels of it,

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and because when a person's decomposed, the blood work and
everything and the tissues, like I said, break down and
you just don't get accurate readings. And apparently a lot
of his body was eaten away by his dogs, so
you know, there's a limitations to the autopsy in those cases.
And I think he was dead twenty two days in

(27:42):
his house, so it was significantly decomposed.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I find it interesting we've recently had all these undetermined
cause of death with these stories we've covered, because I
don't know if you remember, but like sometime last year,
maybe the year before, I was doing one of my
favorite activities, making a spreadsheet of all the dissections we've
covered for the website, and I was breaking them down
by manner of death, and we only had I think

(28:08):
three that were undetermined at that time, compared to all
the other categories, where we had dozens of them in
each category. And I think you and I just had
a discussion about how undetermined. Is it happens, but it's
so uncommon, And now in the last couple of months,
it's been almost like in the last week in particular,
it's been all these people.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I think it's important to note too, and I'm gonna
look this up after this episode, but especially when we're
talking about Michelle Trachenberg, I think that all of the
articles I read said that her cause of death was undetermined. Yes,
but there's a difference between a cause of death being
undetermined and a manner of death being undetermined. So I'm

(28:50):
curious to see if we could pull up the record
of her death certificate and see what her manner of
death was, because they might have said, okay, her manner
of death was natural, so they were one hundred percent
sure that she died as a result of her liver
failure and from complications from the transplant, So they would
still put a natural death, or they could even put

(29:13):
suicide as a manner of death, but they could put
undetermined meaning they don't know how she did it, or
undetermined cause of death. The same with the natural manner
is that we don't know exactly what was the what
pulled the trigger and caused her to die, but we
know that it was natural causes. So in this case
it would be a little bit different because they do

(29:36):
know that he had ingested this nitrous oxide. What they
don't know is why he did it, which would be
the manner okay, and like we could use this. Another
thing we're talking about in a little bit is Casey Anthony.
But her manner of death was listed homicide because the
medical examiner felt as if there's no reason that a

(29:59):
child should be dead in the woods with duct tape
on her mouth. There's no natural way that that happens.
The kid didn't kill herself, no, okay, and so and
that wasn't an accident. You don't accidentally drop a child
with duct tape on their mouth in the woods. So
she was certain to call the manner of death homicide. However,

(30:20):
the cause of death was listed as undetermined. They don't
know if she was you know, there was questions if
she had ether or something, remember was it ether.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Chloroform or something.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
They don't know if that was a thing or they
couldn't determine exactly what was the thing that caused her
to die, But they were certain that it was homicide.
So there is a difference between the manner and cause
of death being undetermined.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
All right, So we had two other notable deaths that occur,
I mean there has been This year has so far
been like filled with celebrity deaths. So first we have
a frontman of New York Dolls, David Johansen. He has
died in seventy five years old. He announced last month
that he was suffering from stage four cancer, brain tumor
and a broken back, so definitely sad to hear.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
One of the things that's interesting is when a person
has cancer and it spreads to the bones, they could
have what's called pathologic fractures, so they might not even
know that they have cancer. And then someone has a
small fall and then breaks up one of their vertebral
bones or their backbones and goes to the hospital and
then it's like, oh shit, and prostate cancer is honestly

(31:31):
like one that's good for that in men, and go
to the doctor and see, oh, you have cancer there
and that's what caused the break. But by the time
the cancer's and the bones, you're diagnosed at stage four.
So that's I mean in men. I would most commonly
think that situation would be seen in prostate cancer, whereas
with women you would see it most commonly with breast cancer.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah. And then the last I guess celebrity adjacent death
we have is Dolly Parton's husband of almost sixty years
has passed away. Hey, we know this one's hurting you.
I it is upset. It is upsetting because they met
in nineteen sixty four. They've been married since nineteen sixty six,
and that's I mean, it's an accomplishment to be married

(32:14):
that long, especially today and especially in celebrity culture. How
old she She's seventy nine. He was eighty two. I
think right now it's unclear how he died, but I
mean he was older. You know, I don't know if
he had been battling any illness or anything. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Well, they were super super private with him, which is
I think is very cool actually because she's one of
the most famous people in the world, and just to
think that her husband was able to go to the
store and nobody really ever knew who.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
He was, it's really cool. Yeah. I was. I was
reading a little bit about it. So, like obviously I've
read a million books about her and listen to every
podcast on the Face of the Son about her and
like everything. So I think it's really cool because they
met and I don't know if you know this, but
so they met and they were dating, and her record
company really did not want her to get married because

(33:06):
they thought it was going to destroy the image they
were building for her. So she eloped and was like,
if you I'm doing whatever I want. And they got
married anyway. And then when she started getting recognition for
her songwriting, he did, early on in her career go
to one dinner for her where she was getting an award,
and when they got in the car, he was like,
I want you to have everything you've ever wanted, and

(33:27):
I'll support you, but I am never going to anything
like that ever again, which I think.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
So he's a normal yes, Like he's a normal person.
And yeah, it is cool because it's she's got this
persona that she puts on and then it's it's keeping
very distinct lines between work and home. And I like
that there's no mixing, there's no this guy's just trying
to You have to admire that that he was just

(33:53):
trying to be himself and he didn't want to be
anybody just because he was associated with her. I'm sure
that that help their marriage stay together.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Honestly, yeah, it did. And then I was reading you
know this article we referenced with saying her like tips
to their long lasting marriage, which is that they didn't
really ever get an arguments and when they sense their retention,
they try to make a joke about it and loosen
up the tension. I think they had a really cute
relationship that seemed like they were both kind of like
ballbusters of each other. And I definitely think for both

(34:25):
of our marriages that's kind of in a way how
we our dynamic is with our husbands too. God, I
was just thinking that.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I'm like, whenever Gabe gets mad, i just look at
them and I make like faces and I'm like, oh,
do you want to cry on my shop? And then
he just like bust out laughing. It's like it really,
it really like works. It just it just when you're
going down a hole of like anger and somebody can
pull you out of it. However it is just by
doing something funny. It just like it changes the whole

(34:53):
vibe of a marriage. It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, I mean, I yeah, I think that's the most
successful thing, being able to get out of it. And
not fighting all the time. I mean, it makes me
really sad for her because they were together since she
was eighteen years old. And think about that, like the
person you've known longest and the most intimately in your
life is now no longer here.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I give her six months, it's my prediction.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Before finding another boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
No, I think that it's there's so many documented cases
of a husband or a wife dying and then the
partner that has been with them for a very long
time dying within a year of that.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Dude, do not put that in the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I'm just I'm just making a I'm making a gambling guess.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
All right, Well, I don't really like that because I
love her and obviously she will die.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I think she's awesome, and I don't want to die.
I'm just saying that that that happens often.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
You know, what was really cute that they did a
couple of years ago. She was on that Playboy spread,
you know, dressed as a buddy, and then she put
the outfit back on for him for their anniversary a
couple of years ago. Oh that's great. Yeah, So, I
mean it makes me sad for her, But what are
you gonna do. At least they had a very long
marriage in life together. I mean, you want to hope
that if you are madly in love with somebody, that

(36:09):
you are with each other for most of your life
and die in old age, not young and taken away
too early.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
You know. Yeah, Okay, so freak accidents. Our friend Lauren
sent with this terrifying video on Instagram the other day, So, Maria,
whyn't you tell them about it?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
This is horrifying. So last week in New York City,
two window washers were up on a scaffold seventy eight
floors high. Suddenly, strong wings picked up and started launching
this scaffold into the building. They broke a bunch of
the windows, and you see in this video they're just
twirling around so high in the air. It's so terrifying.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
That job is just like fuck this anyway. When I
see that, imagine there's no window in the world that
needs to get clean that bad. I'm I'm sorry, that's
just so terrifying. But I don't think that they really
got injured. It seems like they brought them to the
hospital and they were fine. It's amazing that no one
got injured, not only those people, that were on the scaffold,

(37:08):
but the people that were on the ground because huge
chunks of glass were flying on the street as the
scaffold was hitting the building.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
That's what I was thinking, some total final destination. You're
just walking to work in the morning in a giant
chunk of glass just lands right in your head.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
How horrible it was. Like it's a weird kind of
glass too. It's probably tempered so it but it was thick,
Like you could see the thickness of the glass. Obviously
it's going to be thick if it's outside of a building,
protecting it from the outside environment. But yeah, it's God,
it just looks so terrifying, and luckily like firefighters were

(37:43):
able to go up there and reel them in and
pull them in and stuff. I just I don't even
know how you have the balls to do that as
a profession. It just terrifies me.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Well, I guess they're looking into the official cause too,
because it seems like the men had harnesses on but
they weren't secured. So were they not secured? Why was?
I'm surprised this is the first I guess this probably
isn't the first time something like this has happened, but
in the news it has been probably a while since
a case like this has been shown. So I just

(38:14):
wonder what they did to make this happen, or if
it was just a complete freak, really windy day and
maybe they shouldn't have been out there in the first place.
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I told you before that when I feel like I
said this on the show before that, there was when
I was in one of the pathologists office at one
of my old jobs that a person was outside and
fell like straight in front.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Of us onto the ground and died.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, it's so like just whole profession just seems very No,
it's just anxiety. I mean you look at it and
you're like, I guess.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Someone has to do it.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
There's just like no other way they could figure out
how to do that.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
At this point, does somebody have to do it? I mean,
does rain not just stay care of? Now?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
It does, because like the hard water and stuff it gets.
I see, I could see it, like you can even
see it in your shower for example, like on the
glass doors if you don't use.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Your little squeegee thing.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
It just the hard water leaves marks and everything, and
the rain water is gonna be even worse with just
stuff in it. And you're in a building where people live,
it's their office, whatever, you have to look outside. I
just think that there there has to be a better
way or make some kind of repellent coating or something.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
I'm not sure. So when they were showing pictures and
videos from inside of the building of the scaffold on
the outside, I could see right there was where my
internship was. The building was right there, and I'm like,
can you imagine if I was just there that day
and watching it out the window happened, it just would
be I want to.

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they were going through.

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(42:15):
Anthony aka top Mom has surprised everyone this week with
joining TikTok and trying to promote a substack because she
claims her new career is going to be as a
legal advocate.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Dude, I cannot wait to hear what Nancy Grace has
to say about this, like I know, looking forward to it.
She I'm surprised that it's taken this long for her
to do this because clearly, I you do you have
the TikTok on your phone, Like can you look up
and see if she's even got followers? And she has

(42:49):
said about sixty thousand TikTok followers she had in one day,
well or a couple of days, a couple.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Of days the substack she had about two thousand followers,
which I thought was interesting. Yeah, what is subs exactly.
It's like it's kind of like WordPress. It's like a
blog type of website, but you can set it up
like Patreon where you can get subscription money. But like,
I don't think you can make it that fun or anything.

(43:16):
It was straightforward a blog. Does she have it set
up for to get money off of it? Well, I
tried to look at the comments, and it wanted me
to log in, but you could see a couple of
her posts and actually, I don't know if you looked
at it at all, but just a couple of hours
before we recorded this, she made a post that said,
quote for everyone speaking good, bad, or otherwise, heed your

(43:39):
words and make sure you're saying something of substance. Here's
the law in Florida about threats, libel and slander. You
don't have to be a Florida resident to be charged.
Jurisdiction is where the crime was committed. Usually if it's
over the Internet and you're saying something hateful, slanderous, liable, threatening, bully,
et cetera. The recipient party can request the jurisdiction be

(43:59):
in the state where they live. Not the state where
you committed the act. The internet is not a protected place.
So I'm going to go in a limb and say
that she's been getting a lot of threatening messages and
she's letting everybody know that she knows the law. As
far as that goes, well decimations. Listen.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
I know that like nance's hardcore, like top mom and
this and that, and I think that she's shady as shit,
But I actually there is a part I know you
guys are gonna get mad if I say this, there's
a part of me that feels bad for her, only
because her parents are such disgusting people.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
In my opinion that I agree with it that like.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
A child being born into that environment is like bound
to not be okay in the head.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
So and she was.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Nineteen when it happened, so she was an adult and
she should be you know, whatever happened, I just I
don't believe either side of the story. But I also
don't believe it was all her and the parents aren't
weren't involved at all either. There's like the whole thing
is so weird, and I could speak to it one
hundred percent because I was a teen mom. I was

(45:09):
even younger, as a teen mom I had parents living together,
Like I didn't live at the house for a period,
you know, when I went to college and stuff, when
I brought Maria with me, and like, I'm sorry, but
my mother would not have let thirty days go by
before she was like, you know what, I don't believe
you anymore, and stuff, like my mom would have let
like thirty hours go by. Maybe I'm serious, Like it's so,

(45:34):
and then the whole, the whole thing of it just
it stinks, like I just I don't know what to believe.
So also I just I just I don't really know
what to say, like she if you want to go
buy the law and everything, like she got found not
guilty of doing that crime, so we have to if

(45:55):
we want to respect it in other cases, we have
to respect the decision in this case as well. Well.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah, and I think you know, everybody that's like criticizing her,
it's gonna be hard. I understand what she's saying. She's
trying to put a post out there because I can't
imagine the reception has been well at all in her corner.
I mean, she she cannot have that many supporters. I
just refuse to believe. I believe that she does. I
think she has more supporters after us, like, well, I

(46:23):
think she has four supporters after that Peacock documentary came out.
Because in my eyes as somebody that's you know, this
was like my first big true crime case was this
case when I was younger. So I'm thinking, as somebody
that's watched this case unfold for the last what like
it happened in two thousand and eight, the murder. She

(46:44):
went on trial a couple of years later, So it's
been a really long time.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
This is twenty eleven. She was found not guilty.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Okay, So so fourteen years ago she was found not guilty. Okay,
So this is this case has been going on almost
twenty years. After I saw that Peacock documentary, I did
feel bad for her as well, because I was like, Wow,
her parents really fucking suck, and like, I believe that,
and I just think they're bouncing off of each other,

(47:13):
going back and forth. I think all three of them
are bad people. And I don't know, I just.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Don't know what she were we talking about a couple
of weeks ago of someone doing something terrible that had
terrible parents too, had terrible parents. Yeah, we were talking
about I don't really remember what the case was, but
we were saying, like, if you were raised by these scumbags,

(47:38):
like this is what's gonna happen with with the What
the hell was it? I guess what I'm getting at
is that before the Peacock documentary, I one hundred percent
thought she was guilty, and I as as people say
it was a miscarriage of justice that she was not
convicted in that crime. But you know what they the
jury cannot convict somebody if there's reasonable doubt, and there

(48:01):
was just reasonable doubt in that case. And like you said,
we have to respect the law. It's I mean, it's
the same. And that case got so sensationalized, just like
OJ and stuff, and it's just.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Like, okay oja OJ.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I feel like was even different because I don't I
don't think there was any reasonable doubt with OJ. That
was like just a whole other set of circumstances. There
was never like I don't know many people that'll be
like that doesn't really add up. It's like most people
are like, yeah, there was no one else that could

(48:35):
have been It's just it was a little bit different
and I don't like, wasn't there some shit with the
parents that they like while the kid was missing, or
something about them like having some kind of foundation to
make money and then they use the money to buy
a boat or so.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
There was just like all of this really weird stuff
that rubbed me the wrong way, and then just not
reporting it, and certain stories about when she was a kid,
and I just thought that that was a little weird.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Let's say this was me and you I committed this
horrendous crime. You're my parents were very close. You know
I've done something like this. Are you gonna go on
every news outlet and true crime documentary talking about how
I'm the problem. I don't think you're going to publicly
go and have this whole campaign saying how I'm this

(49:26):
problem and I've always been a problem and everything. You'd
want to keep it private. And that's where I find
them suspicious, because they're working, like over time.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
To dig her whole deeper.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Dig her in a deeper hole, you know what I'm saying,
Like her life is already ruined. You don't need to
go on every fucking documentary and say how she's a
horrible person.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, but I mean, listen, if you if I believe
that you killed my grandkid, I wouldn't really give a
fuck about like saving your name.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, it's not saving a name. It's just about like
what are you what are you trying to accomplish? Like
this case happened so long ago, and they're still actively
going and doing all these interviews.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Because that's that's their livelihood. They're all, I mean, they're
all making money off of it. That's how they they live, and.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I mean they can't. It's not like they could.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Go to a regular job and work ever either any
of them. Their whole entire identity until the day they die,
no matter what, any even if some evidence came out
that like there was a video that cleared her of it,
Like her life is ruined and has been since she's
nineteen years old, and that could right very well be
her fault. But it also I just think that like

(50:45):
the parents didn't get in any trouble for for like eating.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
In a bedding. I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I know I've seen Nancy act like the parents are
just like.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
It was Brian Laundry we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Oh yeah, so there's another similar situation of a very
young person that grew up with really terrible people and ultimately,
like Brian Laundry is responsible for killing Gabby Petito, but
also his family is disgusting. So you think about like

(51:19):
two gross people raising a kid, they're not gonna end
up being a normal person and then they're just like
barely legal and do something horrible. It shouldn't all the
blames shouldn't be on that person.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
But I guess overall. You know, we've talked about her
on the show before because she was having an affair
with the married man and it wasn't a good look
for her. And I understand she's trying to revive her
image by being like, I'm gonna be this legal advocate
for LGBTQ and women's right, But how do you really

(51:52):
think people are going to respond to you. They're not
forgetting this case. Most people think you killed your child. Well, listen,
the bottom line is that the kid's dead and nobody
protected that kid. That's another thing too, like if you
thought your daughter was such a horrible piece of shit,
why did you even let her take that baby out
of the house, Like, and I guess you could say, well,

(52:15):
she had custody and she was an adult in this
and that. But I don't know, just that case, we
could like beat that thing to death. It's just like whatever.
I'm surprised that because she seems to be a little narcissistic,
like it's I'm surprised that it took this long for
her to realize that she could really capitalize on this.

(52:35):
And if sixty thousand people in a couple of days
are already interested, she's she's gonna end up being some
kind of influencer and who knows, maybe maybe she'll be
the next Nancy Because she's trying to compete for her job.
I think, well, it's almost like she's like, fuck.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
You, I'm out of jail now and I'm gonna like,
I'm gonna take your job over.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I'm going to do your same job. I can say
with confidence that Peacock paid her a pretty penny for
that documentary. But I'm surprised she hasn't written a book yet,
you know what I mean, maybe well, you know what
I'm thinking, this is my prediction is that on the
twentieth anniversary of the death of the Kid, the book's

(53:18):
gonna come out. Yeah, So I don't know, I mean,
I just don't know what she's trying to accomplish, like
your your name is forever smeared as being a child killer,
even though she's not convicted of it. I'm just saying, listen,
her name, that's what you think about. I don't think it.
Like I'm surprised it took her this long. I just don't.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I don't blame her because she needs to make money
like she had.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
She has had a job. It's not like she hasn't
worked in twenty years. She's been working with one of
the lawyers for her case. Yeah, but how like, I
don't know how as much as she actually making doing that,
You know, I don't know. All right, let's moving to
the sectory in Iowa. So last time October, police arrived
to this house after a child had called nine one

(54:03):
one for help. When they got there, the kid was
holding their baby brother and said that they had found
him unconscious. So, according to this Affidavid, this baby had
fallen into a bucket of bleach water, which resulted in
his head being submerged in the bleach water for an
undisclosed amount of time, and he suffered acute respiratory failure
and a loss of consciousness as a result. So did

(54:24):
the kid live?

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Because I didn't even realize that this was an old case, Like,
why is it coming out now because they got convicted finally.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So this is what's confusing to me, because the parents
just got arrested this week, So why did it take
all these months to investigate this case? But I guess
they when they went in the house, they were looking
for additional evidence and then they found that the house
was just completely infested with mice and filthy and there
was three children living in the house. But why did

(54:54):
it take so long for the parents to get arrested
for neglect? Yeah, it's it's also crazy too because you
said that the kids called nine one one, so they
were at home with the parents at the time, and
they were only four and six years old, So imagine
a four and a six year old knowing that something
was wrong before the adults in the house. And the
thing it really pissed me off about this story was

(55:15):
that apparently the Dyfist people were investigating this family four
other times for four months, and not for four times
for four months, they were investigating them prior to this arrest.
So it takes so long if children.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Were I don't know, but it's really it's really upsetting.
So I'm just I that system is so broken and
you just hear about this stuff all the time. And
I guess at the same time, it's just a double
edged thing, because you do want people to not overly

(55:56):
jump and take people's kids away when they don't deserve too,
because people certainly get falsely accused of things too. But
I feel like once the moment you walk into a
house and see that people because with rats or mice
around and the pee and the urine is carries disease,
and that's enough reason to take away the children in

(56:17):
my opinion. And I don't know what happened to this baby,
just inhaling bleach and getting it on that little baby, I.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Would say the kid did not die, because then the
chargers would be different. Their chargers were child in dangerous.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
But I mean bleach could cause chemical burns and irritation
of the mucous membranes for a regular adult human. Imagine
on like that delicate baby skin. It's so it's so gross, No,
it really is. I mean, they like on drugs or
something with the excuse.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I don't I would assume they're on drugs, because why
are your children They assumingly were in the house when
nine one one got there. So why is your kid
calling the cops when you're in the house. And how
is it kid unattended in bleach water for a quote
undisclosed amount of time? How long does that mean? I
have no idea.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay, I hate talking about stories like this. Let's get
on to some really important medical news and people who
poop their pants.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, this is a really important story. It's breaking news.
The chick went on TikTok and said she was on
a very romantic date with this guy. It was their
tenth date and she felt pretty comfortable with him. So
on this date, they had picked up sandwiches and they
were sitting on blankets in the back of the car
watching the sunset. She said, at that moment, she decided
to let out a quote small toute, and unfortunately, afterwards

(57:45):
she realized that she should her pants.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
That's called a shark, my kid's new favorite word. I
guess I guess that this has happened to everyone at
some point, and they're like.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
This has not happened to me.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Oh well, I guess I won't say it happened to.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Me either, Well, now you have to share with the class.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
It's happened to me a couple times, honestly when I
was a couple of times, Yes, when I was younger,
I used to just get like, I don't know, I
just had really really bad like I would just get
these really bad stomach pains out of the blue and
have to go to the bathroom right away. It was
probably because I had like an asshole boyfriend that was
giving me anxiety all the time or something. But it's

(58:33):
happened to me a couple times, honestly, and that's not
even bad compared to some people.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
But I think the key is is that the guy
that she was dating is a first responder, so which
I feel like is kind of the best person to
date because they just they don't really get grossed out
by much because they see so much crazy shit at
their job that they're kind of like, Okay, So if
I if I was hanging out with Gabe and I'm

(59:00):
it's just like, Babe, I just shit myself by accident,
like we have to go home, he would just be
like he wouldn't be grossed out.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
He would just be like, Okay, whatever, let's do this.
And you know, and in this case, they she fully
admitted to doing it, and they just started laughing about
it because it was it's ridiculous, you know, but he
jumped into action because he knew it's too.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
The best part is that she said she was wearing
a one piece jumpsuit and it was trapped in there,
so she took off her whole outfit. Like this is
the kind of thing that you're like, Okay, you know,
these people are meant to be together, because after ten dates,
like you're getting more comfortable with a person, but you're
still not like in pooping in front of them mode yet, right,

(59:41):
And this lady like not only pooped in front of him,
but then like took off her whole entire jumpsuit and
got naked in front of him, and he gave her
a blanket, wrapped her up, and like helped take her
home and stuff. But could you imagine just like leaving
this jumpsuit at the side of the road that's like
filled with shit people, Well, people that clean up the
roads are probably finding like really neat stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I'll tell you that. Well, now they've been together for
six years and they are engaged. They've been able to
make light of this situation, her friends and family started
calling her poopy butt, and then whenever one of them
in the couple says that their stomach hurts, they just
call each other poopy butt. That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
She could probably get like her wedding sponsored by Emodium
ad or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Probably Wait, speaking of first responders, a funny story. I
totally forgot to tell you this. So this weekend, I
like my parents come over like once a month, and
I cook like a big dinner and stuff like that.
And of course Maria and Ricky were too cool guy
to come over, so they weren't here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
I had six and nine of the boarding. It's like
dinner tonight. You know, I need more notice than that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
That doesn't that doesn't matter, all right. So anyway, so
I was cooking chicken palm, and I was cooking the
pasta to go with the chicken parm on the oven.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
So we're in my kitchen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Gabe is sitting on the side of the island where
the refrigerator is, and Louie's standing on the other side,
and he's kind of talking to me as I'm cooking,
and we're talking to Gabe. So I had this chicken
palm in the oven. I take it out of the oven,
and I and it was on a cookie sheet. I
take it out of the oven, and I put it

(01:01:24):
on top of the stove, and I turn around and
I look over and the parchment paper is literally on fire,
like a flame fire.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And I'm like, so, me and Louis look at it
the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
But I don't scream or anything, because I'm like, oh
my god, Gabe's gonna yell at me so bad. Right,
So I go over there and I like grab it
and essentially like smother it with my hands. My hand's
fucking destroyed and burned, right, And the whole entire time,
Gabe is sitting there like literally he's he's two feet
away from this happening. He didn't look up, he didn't

(01:01:58):
notice it happened. And he's sitting and they're playing on
his phone, and me and Louie were like cracking up laughing.
He didn't even ask why we were laughing. He didn't
turn his head. We were just we were dying. We're like,
so then later in the dinner, you know, because when
you burn yourself, it's like it kind of hurts. And
then all of a sudden like within a half hour,
you're like, oh, this is the worst pain ever, you know.

(01:02:19):
So I'm sitting there and he's like, what happened? And
I just was like, oh, you didn't notice that I
caught the kitchen and on fire right in front of
your face, and like we were just laughing so hard.
And he's like, I don't want to know, and I
was like, you should know because you were sitting right there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
It happened like me and Louie were dying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
We were like, he should If that was on tape,
that would have been like people would have thought it
was a setup that he just didn't even pay attention.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
It was great. I mean, when he's on his phone,
he's pretty zoned out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
He's the worst. I feel like I could like text
and post and have a conversation with three people and
still have a conversation with him, and he just like can't.
He can't like walk and chew gum at the same time.
It's so funny. All right, anyway, get into the next
story because this is a good one, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
So recently this story came up about a Scottish woman
who thought she had a burst appendix, only to find
out that she was pregnant, and I guess when this
story was circulating, this case from nineteen eighty eight resurface,
which is absolutely insane, but in something that kind of
has nothing kinda has nothing to do with this case,
but like it also is a good story, so we'll

(01:03:25):
share it. Yeah, in South Africa, this fifteen year old
girl was admitted to the hospital for abdominal pain. So
of course, if you're a woman and you've ever gone
to the emergency room for abdominal pain, the first thing
they're gonna do is give you a pregnancy test. So
she gets a pregnancy test and it's revealed that she
is nine months pregnant. So you must be thinking, how
are you you know, nine months pregnant and don't have

(01:03:47):
any idea. Well, this case is pretty unusual based on
what's going on in this particular girl's body. Yeah, so
she's fifteen and they say you're.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Nine months pregnant, and she's just like, I can't be pregnant. Why, oh,
because I don't have a vagina so that's crazy, and
they're like, what do you mean. Oh, she was born
with a condition called vaginal atresia, which is when the
vagina doesn't properly form right, and in most cases, if
a baby is born with something like that, they could

(01:04:17):
fix it. But they didn't fix it in this woman.
So she had no vaginal opening to the point where
she tried to have sex a couple times. I mean,
she's fifteen years old too, but tried to have sex
a bunch of times and then just decided that her
preference was oral sex because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
She was able to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
And I can't even believe that this is like a
case written up in a medical journal, because it just
really is so outrageous. So apparently she was giving the
guy a blowjob and swallowed, and then her ex boyfriend
had walked in soon afterwards and found out about it
and started stabbing her. And when he stabbed her in

(01:04:56):
the stomach, the seaman left her stomach, made its way
into her abdominal and pelvic cavity, and then it impregnated her.
It made its way down near her ovary somehow got
into her fallopian tube and impregnated her.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I still cannot believe that this is true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I just found so it's so and it's so outrageous.
This is and this is like the theory of how
she got pregnant because they don't know otherwise how it
was possible. You know, I need to really like do
a deep dive into this case because I think that
this explanation is outrageous. So so then people bring up
the fact, well, the stomach acid is you know, you

(01:05:36):
have hydrochloric acid inside of your stomach and it's so
strong that it would kill the sperm and they wouldn't
be able to live. But then the doctors are saying, yeah,
but she was living in it. She was living in
South Africa, and she was malnourished and she didn't have
preper stomach acid production and that's what caused the sperm
to survive. And like, I guess in theory that this

(01:05:57):
is possible, weirder things have happen. I would be more
inclined to think that there was something else going on,
but I don't know. So we're just reporting it because
it was in the news this week and it's it's
it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
And I guess because of her age and circumstances, there's
like no possible way she could have gotten IVF and
just I don't know it. Just this seems so like
mythical legend to me, I'm having a hard time wrapping
my brain around it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I'm thinking, I'm just saying this out loud. What could
be more likely possibly, and I don't even know, is
she Sometimes you could have a fistula between the ans
and the vaginal canal, like the top of it, because
when you have vaginal latricia, it's sometimes it's just like

(01:06:52):
there's almost a piece of skin over the vaginal opening,
but some of it's open at the top. If you
could bypass it and if the rack them and the
top of the vagina, we're communicating somehow, And she was
having anal sex and it could have went in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
But we had a case about that not too long ago.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I just like, I feel like that would be but
but like they would have ruled out if she had
if she had a fictulous So I just I just
don't know. I just think that this is so so
far fetched.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
It's just so so far fetched.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I mean, I guess in theory, when the ovary gets released,
right because it's next to the fimbria ends, like you know,
the little finger ends of the fallopian tube. When the
ovary gets released, it is in the middle of the
pelvic cavity, kind of unprotected for a short period of
time before it gets into the tube. And that's how

(01:07:45):
you can get like ectopic pregnancies not in the tube,
but actually ones that are like in the abdomen. Okay,
so if and like if you get stabbed in the stomach,
it's going to pour your stomach contents into your abdomen
and your pelvis, so it could get down there. It's
just like, it's so outrageous to even think about it,

(01:08:07):
Like just saying it out loud sounds crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Well, let's move on to another outrageous story. So out
of middle school in Texas, students were passing around a
needle to scrape their skin with temporary ink to give
themselves DIY tattoos.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
This story is so wrong on so many different levels.
These kids are in sixth grade. They're my daughter's age,
Lilian's age, eleven years old, eleven years old, and listen,
kids do dumb shit, So you can't like kids. Somebody's like, hey,
let's give each other a tattoo, and they all do it.
The problem is is that they were using a needle

(01:08:42):
and they were sharing the same needle around the classroom,
which is just so so bad not to mention the
fact that they were scarring their bodies. And this boy,
little boy, he's eleven years old, and you have to
mention that these are children, because like, where the fuck
were the adult in this situation that this was happening.
I mean you could see maybe it happening for a

(01:09:04):
minute or two and then a teacher being like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
what's happening. No, they were unattended for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
To do this. It was going between multiple classrooms and
multiple students.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
This this boy engraved I Heart my Lord on his
arm and JC on his hands, but not little that
he's eleve entire forearms. Oh I know, it's his entire forearms.
So I'm like, okay. In one sense, the mom should
be like, well, at least he wasn't tattooing, you know,

(01:09:35):
his girlfriend's name or something stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
He was saying I Heart Jesus right a year when
Mark Wahlberg does this and puts Nicole forever, I think
Gabe should get that tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
So so anyway, but the other part of this disturbing
story is what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Fuck is temporary ink? What are they talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
You could get if you're in great anything and putting
an open wound, and you put anything in there, it
could leave you a lasting scar that could be pigmented.
You could get a permanent tattoo from a pencil getting
underneath your skin. Like what is invisible ink? I've never
even heard of it unless it's like or temporary ink.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Is it like a water based ink that washes off personally?
But I just don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I mean, it's just the whole entire thing is so weird.
But if you're scraping inside your body hard enough and
writing I Heart my Lord, and it's deep enough, it
could leave a scar on the arm that looks like
that forever.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Like I don't imagine getting this call from the school
nurse that this happened to your kid and now you
have to go get blood work to make sure that
they don't have any crazy infections or anything. Yeah, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Still don't they say, oh, we got the kid blood
work and it came back negative. Well guess what, Like
that doesn't mean that's not going to happen right away.
That kid needs to be monitored. And don't I don't
even know what to I I guess the likelihood of
a classroom of eleven year olds having anything major is
is not God, could you I just I'm thinking about

(01:11:10):
getting a call from the nurse like that. I just
can't even imagine that you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Only get them when the kids, you know, like bump
their elbow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Into I get the nurse at the last school was
literally like the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
The calls every day. It was just like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
She was on the swing and she fell and her
knee hurts, and I'm like, okay, we'll tell her to
shake it off.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
That's my that's my response. Well, she's really upset, can
you come get her?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
And I'm like, she's upset because she's eight years old
and she's upset, but yeah, and she knows that you're
gonna call me and I'll come get her, and I'm
just like, no, anyway, this is kind of more valid concern,
and I I just it's just like added to the
list of things you never think about. Oh, your kid's
gonna go to school and then you're gonna get a
call that they were exposed to a bloodborne pathogen that

(01:11:57):
day or something like what the fuck? And it's like,
are they doing I know they said they fire, did
they fire the teacher or so suspended.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I mean I don't know. I guess kids could hide it.
I mean you hide notes, but that many children headed
or hid it between multiple classrooms and multiple teachers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I did say, oh, it said that there was more
than a dozen parents said their children were inked.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Yeah, so they don't Yeah, I wanted to close up
with that, which is they don't know the exact number
of children that partook in this. But yeah, at least
a dozen parents have complained. So that's that's really great.
It's all right, Well, let's move on to Questions of
the Day. Every Friday at the at Mother Knows Death
Instagram account, you guys can head over to our story
and ask whatever questions you want. First, do you think

(01:12:44):
AI will ever do autopsies?

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
I think there's a lot of programs now that exists
for that. They're called virtual autopsies. I don't think there
is good I mean, this is my thing. Especially with
doing autopsies, you have to think that a lot of
it is for helping medical students pathology residents learn how

(01:13:08):
to do other things and learn about medicine. So if
surgery students, for example, are just doing virtual stuff, like
they're not going to be doing virtual surgery, they're always
going to have to be going in and cutting the
organs with their hands and like looking at things and
seeing when things are abnormal. And it's definitely great to
have the advancements for sure in some circumstances. But it's

(01:13:31):
just it's nothing like the real thing, and I'm not
sure that it would ever get to the point where
we would never want to examine the body, especially because,
like I was saying earlier, if we see something you
need to take sections from microscopy. It might help make
autopsies a little bit less gruesome. Like let's say, for example,

(01:13:53):
the AI technology can determine that their cause of death
was caused by something in the heart, that maybe we
could just go to oct to the heart and take
that out instead of examining the whole body. But there's
so much more to it than just diagnosing death. It's
also to help with medical students and other professions like
mine pathology or physician's assistance or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Two. Why transport a body from the coroner to an
out of county hospital for autopsy, Well, everything's different in
every single state and even within states jurisdictions, So a
coroner system isn't the same as a medical examiner system.
So sometimes coroners use hospitals to do the autopsies because

(01:14:39):
they don't have their own morgue. I would say that
that would probably be the case. So let's say, for example,
someone dies and the coroner they look at it and think, Okay,
this person needs a forensic autopsy. I'm going to send
this body somewhere else so a forensic pathologist can do
the autopsy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Sometimes they would do that at a hospital. We actually
one of the hospitals I worked at, we had forensic
cases going there and a forensic medical examiner was coming
in to do the autopsies at the hospital. Okay, is
that clear? Is that answering the question?

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Yeah? I think so. Okay, Okay, did you have mom
guilt when I was younger with schooler work? And how
did you deal with it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
I think everybody has some kind of mom guilt, but
I guess when I was younger, it was more like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
I have to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I'm a single mom, and I have to do this,
so it wasn't a ton of guilt, Whereas now, I
like I can make more decisions, especially because I have
another income and stuff that I could be like, all right,
I don't always have to be gone as much or
work as hard because that's taken time away from the
kids that like, I don't have to be taking away

(01:15:58):
from them, just be for my own.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Does that make sense? Yeah? Like when I was, uh,
I guess thirteen, you sat me down and you were like, listen,
I'm going to get my master's degree in the next
two years. Are gonna suck, but it's going to be
worth it and change your life. And it did you
know what I mean, It wasn't I'm sure it wasn't
an easy two years for you to be at school
and work full time and then trying to be a parent.

(01:16:22):
It was the same time, but I was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
A single mom and I was making fifty thousand dollars
a year. It never was going to carry us, Like,
it just wasn't happening.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
So I had to go back to school.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
And the only thing that I knew to make more
money was to go back to school to get a
bump in salary. So it just if we ever wanted
to move out of an apartment and own a house
and all that stuff, and like I've said earlier, like
this is all me. I don't care what Gabe was doing,
if I was dating him whatever, Like I was, you
do this for yourself. So I like, if me and

(01:16:56):
Gabe had broken up, I'd still be able to have
my house and everything like that. So it was just
kind of like this has to be done now. Like
there's definitely things that I would want to do. I'm
really into gardening or cooking or stuff. There's like classes
I want to take. But then now I'm kind of like, well,
I don't really have to do that. I'm going to
take time away from my kids. It's just different when

(01:17:17):
you have to versus not. And I think when you're
a parent you always have to juggle that because and
Gabe even went through this for a while when the
kids were little, like it would be, he always wanted
to work overtime every single time it was offered, and
then it took him a very long time to learn that, Okay,

(01:17:37):
maybe I don't need to work overtime all the time
because that extra money isn't as worth as much as
like me being around more. It's always a balance, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Yeah for sure. All right, guys, well thank you so much.
If you have a story for us, please submit it.
At stories at mother Knowosdeath dot com or shoot us
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Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
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(01:18:24):
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