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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to be covering some news stories with a
very special guest, Kim Davis from the Slaycation podcast. For
those of you who are unfamiliar with Slaycation, it's a
true crime podcast that focuses on mysterious deaths and murders
that happen while people are on vacation. It's really awesome.
(00:43):
It just so happens. This week. There are numerous stories
of people getting her on vacation, so we thought who
better to talk to about these stories than Kim.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Kim, thanks so much for being here today.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Hi guys, it's so good to be here. Thank you
so much for having me. I've been looking forward to this.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Before we get started with these news stories, you have
to tell us how you got into forensics and how
you got into the idea of this podcast Lacation.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, you know, I'll tell you. I am Well.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
It's been said, primarily by my husband, that I'm the
og of true crime. It's always been something that's fascinated me.
It's always been something that I've always been very curious about.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
When my husband and I.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
First started dating and he had come to my house,
he immediately noted my bookshelf hovered just just lined with
books on serial killers murders. You know, so he did
make a mental note of that. And mind you, this
is going back some time.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So did he want to run away because he thought
that You're going to kill him or something?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hardly enough?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
He was very curious, but you know, he would always
make that joke. But I, you know, I will say
he's he's it's it's been a little over thirty years
ago now, so I think he's feeling a little safer now,
at least for now, not just kidding. So so he
(02:26):
you know, so he had noted that, and you know,
it was you know, so I was kind of consuming
this content before even DNA was a real thing.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh my god, think about that.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I was reading about the Green River killer before DNA
identify him as Gary Ridgeway.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So wow.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So it's always been something that I've been very interested
and curious about. And you know, my husband started doing
podcasts in earnest when because initially he is the content
that he and his business partner were doing were primarily
centered on you know, television, cable shows, that kind of thing, documentaries,
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and then when COVID found us sort of trapped in
our houses, they decided to do a They decided to
enter the world of podcasts. And it had just come
up one day where you know, my husband was asking
me because initially he had a show idea about murders
(03:40):
and mysterious deaths while on vacation and had asked me
if had asked me if, if, if if there was
enough content for that kind of thing, and I said,
why yes, and then happened to rattle off a whole
bunch and he was like, oh, and the show I
(04:03):
didn't really go anywhere, but he revisited again and was like,
we should do a podcast and I was like, no.
So here we are a year and a half year,
a year and a half later doing a podcast. But
it's been great fun. It's it's it's so fascinating, it's
so interesting, just kind of delving you know, into you know,
(04:29):
these stories and really getting to know the people in
these stories, and you know, getting to sort of you know,
you know, even the purpose in these stories, like what
you know, I'm always very curious about what makes that person,
What makes that person that kills maines, what makes that
(04:51):
person that says I love you, and then is plotting
the demise of somebody that he you know, So it
just it just stays fascinating.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So it's interesting because of your history as a social worker.
You said, used to specialize in domestic abuse situations, which
of course we see that all the time with these
true crime cases. That there's a huge component of that.
So how does your previous work life kind of come
into this podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, you know, I'll tell you. You know, I used
to work in a.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Crisis shelter, so it was man had to be manned
twenty four hours a day because somebody was always fleeing. Okay,
And it's interesting in the respect that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know, particularly as.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I research these cases, is that there is a lot
of overlap in terms of like really toxic and unhealthy
behaviors and and how like some of the stories resulted
in you know, death, which you all know intimately well
(06:09):
you know, because of you know, just wanting the relationship
to end and always the signs before the actual event,
you know. And that's the interesting thing too that I
always not like when I'm researching the cases is that
you know, there are signs, there are things that kind
(06:29):
of say.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh that's not good.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Oh you know where they should have ran, They should
have headed for the hills. There are certain things that happen,
you know, and it could be just even in the
way that they address you.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It is a red plague.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's interesting because we know this couple in our real
life right now that there's a lot of insane warning
signs going on that Izia like, I'm like this this
one of these people are going to end up dead.
Like the way that these people are acting. You see
it in your real life, you know, because you're in
(07:11):
a relationship that's that's normal, and you look at how
these other people act and you're like, oh my god,
this sounds exactly how this this true crime case happened
and this one happened. It's it's nuts that they have
similar features a lot of times.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh yeah, and you know what, like if you're yeah,
I mean and that's the thing, like, you know, you
see how your gut is responding to the events that
are taking place in that relationship. You know, you're correct,
and it's unfortunate that we and I'm gonna say, women
(07:51):
don't pay closer attention to that and really acknowledge it
for what it is, and that's a red flag, A
big red flag.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think in a lot of these cases, you know,
people are just so in denial or they're like that
can't happen to me, or I'm observing this couple interact
this way, but maybe I'm overreacting because I'm up all
night reading these horrendous stories. But then when something actually happens,
everyone's like, well, I saw it coming for months, but
I just really never thought it would get.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
There right right.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
And I'll tell you, honestly, I'm kind of the opposite now,
Like I see things and the idea that that person
could take it to that next level and like, seriously,
wound if not kill is kind of like on.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
My radar, Like it's.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Crazy, And you know, these are not things that I
feel just happen out the blue one day. I feel
like there are signs, There are little incidences that let
you know that, oh, something's not right. It could be
just in the way the person is interacting with somebody
(09:11):
else outside of you. It could be especially the way
that they interact with family, the way that they interact
with animals, like you know, all of these things are
important in the way of kind of giving you a
glimpse into how and what this person is.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
No, absolutely, and in your most recent episode that actually
all went down and really close to where we live.
So when I was listening to this woman that went
in the episode for our listeners, you guys have to
check it out. This woman goes to this conference with
her husband in Philadelphia and she ends up mysteriously vanishing.
And then, as you are such a great story teller
by the way, appreciate that of course. And in this episod,
(10:00):
so do you know, you're saying that she ends up
going from Philadelphia to the Defferent Ball, which is it's
close's dumping ground. Yes, we grew up right next to.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I get out of here.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So you're talking about she ends up from Philly to
different Ball, which is close but as a tourist kind
of really far away, and then she ends up being
found dead in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and it's.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Like, how did that happen?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
That's that's the thing, And that story was really crazy
because that there was never really any conclusive resolution as
to what really transpired. So the facts of that story
are she went to the conference with her husband, went
out to do some sight seeing and then was found
(10:50):
dead in North Carolina. And yes, they're sidings and eyewitnesses
that said they saw her.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You're in there.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But the thing that we know for sure is that
she's that she was at the conference and then she
wasn't and then she was dead and all the in between,
and trying to flesh through what could have happened, and
you know, was it a mental health episode, was it
she was trying to get away from her husband. I mean,
(11:24):
it's it's really that was especially fascinating, and that to
me still remains like one of the most I guess,
she could say, curious cases that we've covered.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Just because.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Of how it played out and because of her untimely
death and where she was found was six hundred miles
away from where she was reportedly last seen by her husband.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Weird. That was just so weird.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, it was very strange, especially because when people had
seen her in Ashville and Philadelphia and Depford, they had
seen it was seemingly that she was coherent. So I
don't know, it's just a really bizarre thing. Like I
was thinking, maybe she got drugged and taken down to
North Carolina, but it seems like she was pretty aware
of what was going on every step of the way.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's interesting. I had
a very strange episode myself, and not me personally, but
like a very dear friend of mine had an episode
where and how it came to be was I had
texted her and then her husband texted me back and said, oh,
she's in the hospital. She's been confused, And I didn't
(12:41):
understand really like what that meant. But then when I
went to see her in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It it. She really was. It was.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It was so In other words, this story, the idea
that she could have been confused and sort of dysorient
did and today now seems like a viable reason for
her ending up in North Carolina. I don't know, Yeah,
(13:12):
I don't know if I would have felt that way
even six months ago, which is really interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, but when you know somebody with a personal experience,
it helps you connect it a little better when you're
peopleful of your research.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Totally, totally, totally. I mean, it.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Really changes your perspective, especially when you can sort of
connect the dots in a way because of the experience
that you had and sort of look at other reasons
for the way something played out that you initially wouldn't
even consider.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I love the theme of the I love a podcast
that has a very specific theme because I think, especially
with vacation, every one of us could relate to it
because we go on vacation and the last thing you
think about is that you're not coming home. That's right,
And I think that's what is very intriguing to people
about your podcast, because it's it's a scary thought when
(14:15):
you're going to do something. Vacation is entertainment. It's supposed
to be a positive in your life, and it's just
we have so many stories, Like just this week, it
was so crazy because we were having you on and
I was like, oh my god, there's a bunch of
stories that we could talk to you about this week
alone about people that were on vacation, and in these
(14:38):
particular stories, well, we can maybe talk about a couple
more that happened this week where people ended up dying,
but in these particular stories that we're going to start
off with, the people got seriously injured and could have died,
but it happened all the time. Yeah, It's just like
there's never ending. If there was, at least there was
(14:58):
at least five stories this week alone, and probably more
because we don't even hear about all of them. Imagine
a year, how many are happening, Especially people are traveling
internationally and it's a worldwide thing that could happen to.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
People exactly exactly, and you know, and I think, like
in the wake of camera phones, and I mean, it's
so weird when like, look, girls, let me tell you
something I was around when it's so funny because I
was around, like where there was one phone in the
(15:35):
wall in the kitchen with a very long cord.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Me too, I was too. I didn't get a cell
phone until I was twenty, right, right, I grew up
in the eighties, like you know.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Right, right, right, right, right, exactly, well, I grew up
in the seventies and eighties too, So so ladies, we
know that, like it's such a different time. Like the
idea of us as teenagers, right prepping and taking selfies
and doing all of that stuff just wasn't a thing.
And so now you know, like there was this influencer
(16:09):
who did influence it, like while she was traveling and
ended up trying to get a picture of take a
video and was taken by waterfalls.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I mean, it's it's crazy out here.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Well yeah, and I was going to bring that up
later in the episode, but I might as well talk
about it now because I was going to ask you
that the story that we're talking about, probably most of
the stories that we're talking about have to do with
people taking selfies, right, especially specific to selfies, which is weird.
But there's all of these statistics now about this, and
(16:46):
it's not only people getting hurt, but it's also like
really important pieces of artwork or getting messed up because
people are backing up into them when they're taking I mean,
it's like so outrageous to think about it, right, but
it really is, and it's it's just like you you
wouldn't believe. This week alone, there was two people fell
(17:09):
in Bryce Cannon, dropped four hundred feet to their death.
I don't know if you heard about this, but their
cat survived the fall somehow. I don't know why. You
was the cat with them? Like the people, Yeah, like
it's so random, but the cat. The cat was in
one of those it's a soft carry, but like not
the hard one, like a soft one like I use
(17:31):
it to bring my cat if I have to bring
the cat to the vet. But I found Yeah, they
found the cat alive, twelve year old cat four hundred
feet drop. But the people they don't one hundred percent
know what happened, but they do know that the couple
had climbed over the railing, which and they were likely
trying to get pictures. I was there for a reason.
(17:54):
And and and then at the the Utah Archies Park
again yesterday, just yesterday, someone died the statistic that there's
like three hundred and fifty people that die a year
at the national parks, and half of them are considered
to be unintentional. So, I mean they said the most
common ones that happen or motor vehicle accidents believe it
or not. And then drownings and falls because people are
(18:18):
I bet you the falls are always due to taking
pictures lately, like that has.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
To agree factor.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, I mean there's just so many, you know, just
even the story that I just mentioned, it's just something
with that distract, that distraction of.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
The phone and the camera and the video.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well, this is what Bray, why don't you tell them
about the first store? Yeah, so last week this twenty
nine year old man was visiting the Philippines. He decided
to take a trip to the local zoo. So while
he's there, he thinks he sees this fake crocodile. I mean,
you're at a real zoo.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But he like, what are you thinking? Crazy?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
So then he climbs over the fence to take a
picture with it, and of course it's real because you're
at a real zoo, and then it starts biting him.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And then he's trapped, like he can't just he's literally
now being held hostage by this Yeah, and that's crazy
because who thought that would be a good idea?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And the whole thing's on video, which is, of course.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yes, I saw that. That was crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Oh my god, I don't even know. And then you're like,
he's you know. They call it a death roll with
these crocodiles, where they're strategically rolling around their prey in
this certain way to try to kill them, and then
the zoo keeper then has to go in and risk
their life hit the crocodile with over the head with
concrete to get it to open it straw, which also
(19:57):
should the animal get hurt in the process, when it's
just be an animal and doing its thing exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I agree a thousand percent with you on that, because
that does seem really unfair. And you know, just because
basically you're you're you're going into their.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
House and see us all the time.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, you're going into their house.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's It's good because at the end of the story,
I was expecting to hear that they euthanize the animal,
and they didn't, because usually that's how it ends, and
you're like, why, what did the animal do?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Exactly exactly. The animal is just trying to live, that's it.
And uh yeah, I was actually relieved as well that
they did not hurt the animal. You know, I got
to say, when I was reading the article, I was
feeling bad that, you know, that the zoo keeper had
to take a stone or rock to you know, I was.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like, oh my god, that poor out.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Like I was feeling sorry for the animal, you know,
but you know, it's crazy, you know. I'd also read
that they also wondered if the man was had some
mental health issues, which you know, again could be I
don't know, but you know, one does wonder, like, you know,
(21:21):
it doesn't seem far fetched to think that you could
be a little off getting into you know, getting into
the space with a wild animal.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh willy nilly.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Accidental deaths are far more common in men, so it
wouldn't be unheard of that they said this was just
some like dumb shit this guy did. It is cool
to watch the video, though, because, like Maria was saying, that,
you could see this death roll thing they do because
their teeth aren't designed to work like ours. They basically
(21:54):
just go down and clamp down. And what they do
is they shake the body from some I decided us
to rip it apart so they could swallow the piece's whole. Yeah,
it's outrageous, but crocodiles have the strongest bite in the
animal kingdom. I don't know if you if you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Know that, I did not know that.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Thirty seven hundred pounds of pressure when they're biting on someone,
and a human bite is one hundred and sixty two
pounds of pressure. So think about like I just bit
my lip the other day and I saw stars, you know,
and that's one hundred probably as hard as I could
because I was like trying to chew through a pepper
and it was a hundred that's one hundred and sixty
(22:35):
two pounds when a crocodiles three thousand, seven hundred. Yeah,
so imagine he was screaming obviously, Yeah, I wou'd say,
and he had to get fifty stitches. I kind of
can't be survived it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, he was very lucky.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He was very lucky because you know, when you think
about that kind of trauma on the body, it almost
invites other medical episode to occur, because you know, he's lucky,
he's lucky he didn't have a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He's lucky. You know that he didn't bleed out.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
He's lucky that you know, there was just it's crazy,
but what occurred was the best case scenario given these
set of circumstances.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Oh yeah, he could have left with an amputation or
like you said, oh he could have led out I
mean parallel like paralysis, anything like that. So another interesting
thing I want to bring up to you that we've noticed,
because people submit videos to us all day long, that
there's a lot of citizen journalists that are trying to
get the next viral video and a lot of people.
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I mean, in this case, there's nothing really patrons of
the Zoo could have done to help, But a lot
of times people are just videoing people suffering and not
even assisting. It's so bizarre.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It is Yeah, that's true. That is true. Everybody's out
with their phone.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's it's the phone is a very interesting thing that
enters into this whole world of true crime slash just
covering deaths and accidents. It's it's just a very it's
it's a very interesting phenomenon and we see it sometimes
with people. The most recent one we talked about was
the shooting at Florida's State University where a video went
(24:25):
viral of a person who got shot during the shooting
and someone walked by, like holding a coffee cup, just
videoing this girl on the ground bleeding out and not
even saying like, hey, are you okay? Nothing. It was
just that was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's very strange. It's very strange, you know,
and it's more pervasive than you would even think, like
that's not even out of the ordinary.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
No, I mean, it's just normal behavior anymore, or especially
for millennials and gen Z they're just so worried about
being on TikTok and not worried about, you know, helping
a person that's bleeding out in front of them and Kim,
I was just gonna say that to you, like we
grew up and were normal and in our twenties and
thirties when we started using phones, it wasn't our whole life.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And it's like, so that's true.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Oftentimes, I mean sometimes, and you can ask Maria, like
sometimes I don't touch my phone for five hours a day,
Like I don't hate it, right, it's just over there.
And yes, especially when work needs to get that enough bating.
I don't answer for me. I'm from I'm from the
school of like there's never going to be and you'll
(25:41):
never be able to tell me this, that someone has
to be able to get a hold of me at
all times, right, you know what I mean, Like I'm
not everyone's back.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
In call, right, No, totally, totally. That's that's the thing.
And I get that a lot too, Like why don't
you answer your phone because I'm doing something else? I mean,
it's it's true, it's true.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
It's it really is like a new era, if you will,
and and the and the era is such that we
are surrounded by people that don't know anything else.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, yeah, don't you miss the days like I remember
before caller. I d came out like it just was
all remember yeah, you just like, oh someone might be
calling me, I'm just not going to answer. And that
was it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Loved it, I know, right, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Remember you could just like leave the house, yes, and
just and just be like, okay, you know, are you called?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I didn't. No, there was no answer machine. It was
just like, oh they called busy, yeah yeah, before call
waiting and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, oh my god, how funny is that.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
It's maybe bring it back, you know, it's I gotta say,
I you know, I think my daughter would lose her mind.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, oh no. Kids, kids wouldn't know what to do
with themselves.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
It's they have no idea, like imagine imagine not having
a phone. Imagine just stepping outside your house and just
go and go shopping, go like it's it's so far
removed from that era because we are so dependent.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
On our cell phones.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I forget my phone often when I go out, and
everyone has a meltdown if they can't like oh she did,
Like I'm just like I just don't care about it,
right right, right right. This episode is brought to you
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Speaker 4 (28:04):
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Speaker 3 (28:05):
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Basically that's gonna be our high profile death to section
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So our next phone dependent person needed to take a
(29:08):
selfie so bad at the Colosseum and their picture wasn't
good enough, so they decided to climb the fence and
on the way down they became impaled.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Oh my god, that was absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That was crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
This happened in Philly last year, really at wanted the
Stadiums in the middle of the night. What wasn't somebody
was running from the police or something. Something happened and
somebody climbed over one of the fences at the stadiums
and their leg got impaled on the fence and they
were hanging upside down.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Oh my god, that just sounds awful. I mean, you
know this guy, and this happened just a few days ago,
like it says may.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Second, like he's probably still in the hospital. Holy cow.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And here's the thing, that too, is also the best
case scenario when you consider that in that position, he
could have just bled out.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oh yeah yeah. And it's like you get to get
eighty stitches.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Eighties yes, I mean it's like, dude, was it worth it? Like,
come on, like, what made you think that that was
a good idea?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I don't know, but listen, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Like when we go my family and I travel a lot.
We take road trips and go to these national parks.
My husband always goes like over the bar and he's
a firefighter, so he has no fear of anything. In
the whole time, I'm just like my heart's beating and
the kids are like, can we go with them? And
(30:53):
I'm like, absolutely not. I don't care if you think
I'm the biggest like Karen whatever you want to call me,
like you're not. There's a reason that that thing's there,
and and and like so like I live with somebody
that does stuff like this that just right when they
say don't take pictures, I kind of I'm like, Okay,
I don't want to get in trouble. I'm not going
to take a picture. He like no, no regard, Like
(31:15):
I'm here and I'm getting I'm document in this thing
right Like.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Well, you know, I guess it's it's the sort of
the nature of a firefighter. I mean, they're not afraid
of danger in the way that we are.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I would have to reckon because yeah, terrible.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
You imagine paying all that money to go to Italy
and then you see the impairment happen and you're like,
I would love it, Actually that would be I'd be
like for you definitely work.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I know, look freaks like us. Yeah, I would probably,
I admit I'd probably be.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Like, what's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Move?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So I gulds.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Now that so you cover all this true crime stuff,
Like when you see the autopsy photos and stuff, are
you interested in it or does it bother you?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
No, I'm very interested.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I wish that I could just view autopsy photos really,
like I literally go online to see if there are photos.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
We're gonna have to give her a membership to the
Grocerroom because that's yea our website every day, all day,
every day.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
That would be such a gift.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I gotta tell you, I missed my calling. If I
went into medicine, That's what I would be doing. If
I went into medicine, I would be doing pathology or
I would be a medical examiner somewhere or you know,
a pathology assistant.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Like I truly missed my calling.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
You know, no, you did it. You're doing this and
it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's true. That is true. That is true.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
The only thing that I think would freak me out
are the bugs.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
It's because whenever I would get a specimen or a
body that had maggots on it, like I feel like
I have to go home and take a shower, it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's right. So you know you've been there.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I can't explain it to you. It's just like you're
just sitting there and you're like they're crawling all over me.
It's just the weirdest thing. No, I always I'm like,
I have to go home.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I can't even imagine. I can't.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That would be the thing too, that would have me.
My response would be very similar.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Still, think about doctor Bird. Last year we interviewed a
forensic entomologists. He specializes in dealing with the bugs.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
There's some people that interested in it that they want
to specialize in it. He loves the bugs.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I got. Look, let's face it, bugs are interesting, especially
bugs that you find on dead bodies. If I didn't
get the GB's like I do, I would be very fat.
I'd be very fascinated. It's just again, you know, I mean,
(34:06):
the human form, the human body is just so interesting.
And you know, so, yeah, autopsy is that kind of thing.
I find reading those reports absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
You know what's interesting that that people don't really think of.
So as a PA, I've worked in surgical pathology and autopsy,
and when I get a leg in surgical pathology that
has maggots on it. It just gross.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't want to say gross because it's not gross.
It just gives me like, like you said, like babb feeling,
yes exactly. And to think that that leg was just
attached to a person that's alive. That's what really freaks
me out. Like when you see bobs on a dead body,
You're like, Okay, they're dead, they're supposed to be gross.
But this is like a whole other level.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
That is a whole other level that is that is
because cause you to pause and go.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Wow, like could you imagine having a maggot infestation on
your body while you're alive and alert?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And I know that that's a thing. I know, Yes,
it is a thing.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I mean, but I got to tell you, I can't imagine.
I cannot imagine. And they thrive in that environment, like
it's so gross and fascinating.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So we had a case in the gross room fairly
recently about a person that had gone on vacation so
this is a vacation story and came home and had
this itch on his neck and it looked like a
mosquito bite, and that's what he thought he was, and
then he went to the hospital and no, it wasn't
a mosquito bite. It was a fly under his skin
(35:49):
from traveling to a tropical occasion. Yes, oh, and I'm
sure you don't you hear about this when people travel
to places like that, right.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I you know. I did read
something like that a while ago.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
And it was a woman that was hiking and this
was years ago, and a fly flew in her ear.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
She had like maggots in her brain.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh god, no, I know, it's so crazy, but it happens.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It does happen. If yeah, yeah, it is funny.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I think your husband came to you. No, it's funny
to think your husband came to you. It was like,
do you think there's enough content to talk about things
that happen to people on vacation and it turns out
it just will never end. You have endless content?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Oh my god, you're absolutely right there, and it's it's
it's yeah, we do.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
We do.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
We actually have a spreadsheet of just so many names.
It's crazy, it really is.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
And it's like you were like, it's like that on
this show too, Like we have to cut so many
things every week because there's just so much of it.
We just can't cover it. We could do ex episode
every single day, like easily.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Exactly exactly. Isn't that shocking?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It's awesome. It's kind of like humans are going to
keep being human, so keep it going and then we'll
always be employed.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Really well, this thing, this is another animal attack. Going
to earlier. So, the sixty year old woman was circling
in southern Australia and suddenly this sting ray came up
behind her and stung her with its six inch of barb. Horrific.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yes, yes, and she's lucky to penetrate. Oh my god, bro,
stay away, I am not. Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
It said that the barb pierced her right arm just
above the elbow, and she likened it to a like
being bitten by a door, and it's lucky it didn't
like go through a main artery.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Again, a situation where in spite.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Of this, it was the best case scenario because she
was able to.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Get help immediately. Holy cow, holy.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, this is one of those near misses her. It
went right next to her brachial artery and she was
still bleeding a lot actually, and that's the thing like,
if you ever get injured in the water like that,
do you want to get out if you're bleeding like that,
because then that's going to attract a shark.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Like literally, oh my god, you're so right about that.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, I didn't even think about that. And and the
stingrays have they have like a double whammy when because
the the barb is actually serrated like a like a
knife would be like a steak knife with the little
teething you know, yes, it's like that, but it also
has talksin in it that could make necrosis in the area.
(39:03):
So for her especially, So I don't know if you
remember this is how Steve Irwin died.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yes I remember that, but yes, yes, I think he
got it right through the chest.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, so for him, the necrosis wouldn't have been an
issue obviously, because the thing stabbed them. It's crazy. The
cameraman and they had it all on film, witness the
whole thing and said, the thing just went nuts and
was like repeatedly stabbing them in the chest. But if
the if a piece of the barber can sometimes break
off inside of the person, it could cause tissue death
(39:38):
around that area. So a person that survives it. They
have like that to worry about too, not just bleeding out.
It's very bizarre because the the woman is saying is
really out of character for the stingray to attack.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I had read that as well, that it's not that
typically stink rays do not attack people.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
No, that's not their nature. They're pretty docile.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, They're generally not aggressive unless they feel threatened. So
it's interesting because she was a researcher, so I assume
she was doing all the proper things. But I guess
sometimes people could step on them by accident too, which
triggers an attack. It's weird with Steve Irwin that he
was repeatedly attacking him in that way. I didn't really
know that fact about it. Yeah, well, there was a
(40:27):
lot of things that it stabbed him and he pulled it.
There was like a lot of hearsay about it. I
did a celebrity death so in our website we were
talking about every week we do a celebrity death dissection
or a high profile death dis section where we go
through the autopsy of like hal a person died and stuff,
and Yeah, you're gonna love it. You're you're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Like roll on that I already Yes, yes, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
But honestly, yeah, he had he had a cardiac tampa odds.
So so it pierced his heart and caused them to
bleed out. And not only do you bleed out from
a hole in the heart, but also the just the
blood accumulating in the sack around the heart. Yes, the
heart too and causes it.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, so you're not you can't breathe, you can't oxygen
is not going through the body.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
H Yeah, that was that was really really sad.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
But yeah, I mean, this woman was incredibly lucky, incredibly
lucky because it could have been a disaster in a
whole other way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
And I think that the largest ones have barbs that
are eight inches long, so I mean this one was
six inches long. So it was a pretty big sting, right,
I mean. And then to think that someone like Steve Irwin,
who was so experienced with these animals, actually died from that,
that would freak me out.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You know, yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
So the woman had said that she's going to actually
keep the bar as sort of like a sylvenir of survival,
which is kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
No, it is cool because I would do something like
that too, But some people would be so traumatized, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, no, look things again, things like that fascinate me.
Like like my cat, for example, had to have emergency
surgery because he was eating strange things and there was
some kind of obstruction and I just happened to say
to the surgeon that was gonna you know the vet,
(42:36):
I said, could you.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Just keep it for me?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
I'd like to see And I saved it, and of
course this and it was a like you know those
like yoga mats those, Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
And I was like, yeah, so stuff like that totally
fascinates me. And like you yeah, I would have definitely
been like, yeah, can you can I keep that?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I'm going to take that home.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well, we were just talking. Was it last episode about uh?
It was one episode this week about a woman who
was cutting off of voluntarily cutting off her body parts
and cut off her nose and was saving all of
these body parts she was cutting off in jars in
her house.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Oh my god, that is so like, why fascinating?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
But I don't know about cutting off your own body parts.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I mean whatever, That's why I said to Marie. I
was like listen. If I'm going to cut off my nose,
I'm going to keep it in the jar. Like well,
I have my kids placentas and jars in my house,
like I love, I keep stuff. I'm a keeper girl.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
I love that. That makes me wish I had done
the same thing. I mean, I have her teeth and
I have her first hair from her first hair cut.
But I didn't think of that. So you guys are
near Philly, right, so you must have been to the
mut Or Museum.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, Oh yeah, I got married there.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Oh my god, where have you guys been all my life? Yes?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yes, I'm like she she's going to be the most
active member in the gross room.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Right, It's true. It's true.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
No, it's it's that you're gonna kill me because you're
going to be busy for like the next six months reading.
I mean, I've been doing it for five years. There's
like thousands of posts on there. Now it's it's, oh
my gosh, yeah, you're gonna have fun.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
I yes, just thinking about it is. I love that
you got married at the Letter Museum. I got to say,
that's I wish I had thought of that.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
There were there were lots of uninvited guests at my
wedding in the background. I bet photobomb.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Bet I bet, I bet. And the funny thing is is,
whenever I'm in Philly, I always try to hit up
that place.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah, you have to let us know next time you're around,
because you will over my house, will my stuff?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I am there, all right, all there, all right.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
So this, this last case that we're going to talk about,
has nothing to do with vacation, but I figured you'd
be interested just because you're a true crime junkie.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yes, yes, I am.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
And this is especially fascinating because again it was DNA
an old fingerprint, it's and here we are the person.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
This was a murder that took place.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
In January nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Holy cow.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, absolutely crazy. That was like two years before I
was born.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
I am.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah. Like you know what I really love about these
old cases. The investigators may have not really known that
DNA was ever going to be on the horizon, but
they saved the right stuff to test it in the future.
That's I think that's so cool.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
That's yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean when you
think about this, right, I mean, and just when these
people probably gotten to a point where they thought I.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Got away with it.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
It's like, nope, surprise, surprise. I gotta say, A cool thing,
isn't it. I love that for them. I love that
for them to finally, you know that they get what's coming.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
The dude's like almost seventy years old. Yes, and it's like, good,
you did think you got away with it.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I love it, exactly. We love that for them.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
We love that because you know, it's it's just disgusting
to think that you snuffed this young woman and she
didn't get to watch her son grow up. She didn't
get to go to his you know, his graduation, his graduations.
She didn't get to be a part of his life. So, yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah. So the specifics of this case is that this
twenty four year old woman was found dead on February first,
nineteen seventy seven. The last time she had been seen
was the night before, leaving a bar with an unknown man,
and she was found in a old Swagen Beetle in
the backseat, strangled by a long sleeved T shirt. It
looked like the car had been tried. The killer tried
(47:30):
to set the car on fire, but had failed at that.
So after all this time, they found this fingerprint on
one of her cigarette packs. Wow, and they've now been
able to identify this man that's sixteen nine years old.
This I always cite the Golden State killer case because
that was like mind blowing to me when that all happened.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I just recently read Paul Hol's book going kind of
step by step about how they did that, and I
think this is such incredible work all these years later,
and that these investigators are still so devoted enough to
try to solve this almost case.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yes, his name was Willy Eugene Sims, sixty nine years old,
and they got him. He was in Jefferson, Ohio. And
I love this for you, Willy Eugene Sims. Yeah, It's
it's crazy. And you know, again, the thing that always
(48:24):
kind of makes me wonder.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Is what who does that? Who does that to people?
And why? It's just it's just crazy to me.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, and he's as a thing. He did it a
year later, right and got yes, but yes he didn't
kill the person, right right, Yes, that's right. Yeah, And
I think at the time, so this crime happened in California,
which again it's insane. He's in Hawaii, Ohio now, so
they were able to find him. You're there. But I
(49:01):
think at the time they maybe didn't put his DNA
in the system because you know how before we had
the DARE public systems there for dakotis. But it didn't
seem like he was in there.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, no, I don't think he was.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
God people got away with murders so much, literally truly.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
God girl, they did, they did. I mean, that's that's
the thing that's just so mind boggling, you know, just
and multiple killings, like like Harry Ridgeways, It's like and
there's and and the book that you read of the
(49:41):
Golden the one in California.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Who yeah, holy cow.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
So it's it's it's very rewarding to.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Me to see them get what's coming that that always
feels good.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Yeah. We always say that everybody that committed a crime
is probably like shitting themselves now knowing that they're just
going through.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Everything as they should be, exactly as they should be.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Okay, as they should be. You know, I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Science is amazing, it's amazing, and it's amazing to think
just how far we've come from even just like five
ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
How far we've come.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
It's it's pretty crazy, it really is, and pretty amazing too. No.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Absolutely, yeah. And all those women that had kids that
they didn't know who the dad was and all that.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Oh girl, remember when that could be a secret to
the grade. I mean, can I just tell you I
have at least two friends that found out without even knowing.
One found out that her dad was not her dad,
and another friend found out that the landlord wasn't heard.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Oh my god, that's traumatizing, right, Yes, I can't even
imagine how I'm setting that would be.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
No, because it's it's it's it brings so many other
things into focus now, doesn't it. I Mean it's like, seriously, Mom, seriously.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Are you kidding me? Right now? The landlord.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
We were just saying, we were just talking about that
because there's a couple of cases of like famous people
that there's always question about, like Prince Harry and then
who's the other one, Oh William Frank Sinatra and oh
Rodan Pharaoh.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
H right me and Pharaoh's son Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah, part of me thinks that he's supposed to be
Woody Allen's kid, like yeah, but part of me thinks that,
like you know, he would want to get the DNA
test because you wouldn't want to be tied to Woody Allen.
But at the same time, he might want to protect
his mom's integrity. So he's doing this is what I think.
I think that he's done it and he knows and
he's waiting for what he Allen to die to get
the money, and then afterwards he's gonna come out. I
(52:11):
don't think he's getting the money at this point. I
mean he I just wrote a book wrote and Pharaoh
wrote about Harvey Weinstein, and he touched a lot on
the pedophilia of his father in that book. So I
would say it's safe to say he's probably cut out
of the wills. Well, just just in case, he better
be kep his mouth shut for another couple of years.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Just hang in there, Just hang in there, keep your
eye on the dollar.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
I think he's protecting me a pharaoh, that's my think.
So maybe he'll wait till she dies, right, Maybe yeah,
Because I think you know, if you're if your biological
father ended up being this pedophile and then ended up
marrying your sister, I think that you would want to
do everything in your power to prove you were not
related to that person. And plus like I mean, like listen,
(52:57):
I used to like what he allen before before all this,
so he's equally.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Like was girl me?
Speaker 3 (53:04):
I know like some of his movie. I just like
the whole thing bothered. It's the same with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Though, yes, girl, yes, yes, we did have a whole
other podcast on that stuff, couldn't we now?
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Oh my god, Like I was really obsessed with Michael
Jackson my entire life because that was like when I
who wasn't Yes, I know exactly exactly, And you know,
when you hear the songs, it just like makes you
feel good and remind you when you're a kid and stuff,
And I'm like, why him?
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Why right right right?
Speaker 3 (53:33):
I can't. I just like can't even tell my kids
like you gotta love this guy because I can't.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
You can't. I know, I really could not, right, It's
It's sad, it really is.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Well, Kim, thanks so much for being here with us.
This was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
It was so much fun.
Speaker 4 (53:50):
Thank you guys so much for having you saw your
yes and I will when when I saw your h
the title of your podcast, I was like, oh my god,
my people, my people.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yes, for sure, we have everywhere. Tell everyone where they
could find you. You on Instagram where.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
I am on I am on Instagram. You can find
me on Instagram at slaycation WTF. It's one word and
it's exactly how it sounds. You can find this on
Facebook slaycation. We have a closed group if you want
to get into the nitty gritty with us, it's slay
Caters only, So come on down. And I'm actually on
(54:35):
Instagram as my own personal as that girl Knits. So
if you're curious about crafting and like to see what
I make, that girl Nits is the place to be
if you want to.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
She's gonna be our best friend, like huge craft people too.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Oh my god, ladies, yes.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yes, Wait, can I tell you what Maria got me for?
Was it my birthday? Christmas? She got me electric scissors?
Speaker 4 (55:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
You know, well joey and fabric isn't even but the
girl used them and to cut the fabric, and I
was like, and me and her looked at each other
and were like, that's awesome. So she got them for me.
I use because I'm like, I get really into my
kids school projects. I've been working on one with her
now for like weeks because I always wanted to be
the best thing ever. You know, Yes, but you have
(55:37):
to get the electric scissors.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I am, I'm there, I'm on board. I'm on board.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
They cut through cardboard like butter. It's just amazing. Yeah,
it's good. I find this so funny. You're so interested
in this gift. I thought for sure you were going
to make fun of me for buying them for you.
And I use them so much.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
You you see, you see that, you see that's the
whole thing. I mean, you never know, but something you
tapped into something, you tapped into something.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
So I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
There's some psychic thing that you got going on that
you knew. Okay, because that's a great gift. I'm here
to tell you.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
And it's like those little things, you know.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
I feel like it's that quote where it's like, are
you my new best friend?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
She's gonna come over here and be like, oh my god,
this is so cool and yeah, it's great.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
Absolutely, absolutely, ladies, this was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
Thanks come back again, please.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Bro, I will, I will.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
I look forward to going over the crazy stories and
the latest placation cases.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
There's always going to be something to talk about.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to be covering some news stories with a
very special guest, Kim Davis from the Slaycation podcast. For
those of you who are unfamiliar with Slaycation, it's a
true crime podcast that focuses on mysterious deaths and murders
that happen while people are on vacation. It's really awesome.
(00:43):
It just so happens. This week. There are numerous stories
of people getting her on vacation, so we thought who
better to talk to about these stories than Kim.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Kim, thanks so much for being here today.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Hi guys, it's so good to be here. Thank you
so much for having me. I've been looking forward to this.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Before we get started with these news stories, you have
to tell us how you got into forensics and how
you got into the idea of this podcast Lacation.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, you know, I'll tell you. I am Well.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
It's been said, primarily by my husband, that I'm the
og of true crime. It's always been something that's fascinated me.
It's always been something that I've always been very curious about.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
When my husband and I.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
First started dating and he had come to my house,
he immediately noted my bookshelf hovered just just lined with
books on serial killers murders. You know, so he did
make a mental note of that. And mind you, this
is going back some time.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
So did he want to run away because he thought
that You're going to kill him or something?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hardly enough?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
He was very curious, but you know, he would always
make that joke. But I, you know, I will say
he's he's it's it's been a little over thirty years
ago now, so I think he's feeling a little safer now,
at least for now, not just kidding. So so he
(02:26):
you know, so he had noted that, and you know,
it was you know, so I was kind of consuming
this content before even DNA was a real thing.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh my god, think about that.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I was reading about the Green River killer before DNA
identify him as Gary Ridgeway.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So wow.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So it's always been something that I've been very interested
and curious about. And you know, my husband started doing
podcasts in earnest when because initially he is the content
that he and his business partner were doing were primarily
centered on you know, television, cable shows, that kind of thing, documentaries,
(03:16):
and then when COVID found us sort of trapped in
our houses, they decided to do a They decided to
enter the world of podcasts. And it had just come
up one day where you know, my husband was asking
me because initially he had a show idea about murders
(03:40):
and mysterious deaths while on vacation and had asked me
if had asked me if, if, if if there was
enough content for that kind of thing, and I said,
why yes, and then happened to rattle off a whole
bunch and he was like, oh, and the show I
(04:03):
didn't really go anywhere, but he revisited again and was like,
we should do a podcast and I was like, no.
So here we are a year and a half year,
a year and a half later doing a podcast. But
it's been great fun. It's it's it's so fascinating, it's
so interesting, just kind of delving you know, into you know,
(04:29):
these stories and really getting to know the people in
these stories, and you know, getting to sort of you know,
you know, even the purpose in these stories, like what
you know, I'm always very curious about what makes that person,
What makes that person that kills maines, what makes that
(04:51):
person that says I love you, and then is plotting
the demise of somebody that he you know, So it
just it just stays fascinating.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So it's interesting because of your history as a social worker.
You said, used to specialize in domestic abuse situations, which
of course we see that all the time with these
true crime cases. That there's a huge component of that.
So how does your previous work life kind of come
into this podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, you know, I'll tell you. You know, I used
to work in a.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Crisis shelter, so it was man had to be manned
twenty four hours a day because somebody was always fleeing. Okay,
And it's interesting in the respect that.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know, particularly as.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I research these cases, is that there is a lot
of overlap in terms of like really toxic and unhealthy
behaviors and and how like some of the stories resulted
in you know, death, which you all know intimately well
(06:09):
you know, because of you know, just wanting the relationship
to end and always the signs before the actual event,
you know. And that's the interesting thing too that I
always not like when I'm researching the cases is that
you know, there are signs, there are things that kind
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of say.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Oh that's not good.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Oh you know where they should have ran, They should
have headed for the hills. There are certain things that happen,
you know, and it could be just even in the
way that they address you.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
It is a red plague.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's interesting because we know this couple in our real
life right now that there's a lot of insane warning
signs going on that Izia like, I'm like this this
one of these people are going to end up dead.
Like the way that these people are acting. You see
it in your real life, you know, because you're in
(07:11):
a relationship that's that's normal, and you look at how
these other people act and you're like, oh my god,
this sounds exactly how this this true crime case happened
and this one happened. It's it's nuts that they have
similar features a lot of times.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh yeah, and you know what, like if you're yeah,
I mean and that's the thing, like, you know, you
see how your gut is responding to the events that
are taking place in that relationship. You know, you're correct,
and it's unfortunate that we and I'm gonna say, women
(07:51):
don't pay closer attention to that and really acknowledge it
for what it is, and that's a red flag, A
big red flag.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think in a lot of these cases, you know,
people are just so in denial or they're like that
can't happen to me, or I'm observing this couple interact
this way, but maybe I'm overreacting because I'm up all
night reading these horrendous stories. But then when something actually happens,
everyone's like, well, I saw it coming for months, but
I just really never thought it would get.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
There right right.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
And I'll tell you, honestly, I'm kind of the opposite now,
Like I see things and the idea that that person
could take it to that next level and like, seriously,
wound if not kill is kind of like on.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
My radar, Like it's.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Crazy, And you know, these are not things that I
feel just happen out the blue one day. I feel
like there are signs, There are little incidences that let
you know that, oh, something's not right. It could be
just in the way the person is interacting with somebody
(09:11):
else outside of you. It could be especially the way
that they interact with family, the way that they interact
with animals, like you know, all of these things are
important in the way of kind of giving you a
glimpse into how and what this person is.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
No, absolutely, and in your most recent episode that actually
all went down and really close to where we live.
So when I was listening to this woman that went
in the episode for our listeners, you guys have to
check it out. This woman goes to this conference with
her husband in Philadelphia and she ends up mysteriously vanishing.
And then, as you are such a great story teller
by the way, appreciate that of course. And in this episod,
(10:00):
so do you know, you're saying that she ends up
going from Philadelphia to the Defferent Ball, which is it's
close's dumping ground. Yes, we grew up right next to.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I get out of here.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So you're talking about she ends up from Philly to
different Ball, which is close but as a tourist kind
of really far away, and then she ends up being
found dead in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and it's.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Like, how did that happen?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
That's that's the thing, And that story was really crazy
because that there was never really any conclusive resolution as
to what really transpired. So the facts of that story
are she went to the conference with her husband, went
out to do some sight seeing and then was found
(10:50):
dead in North Carolina. And yes, they're sidings and eyewitnesses
that said they saw her.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You're in there.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But the thing that we know for sure is that
she's that she was at the conference and then she
wasn't and then she was dead and all the in between,
and trying to flesh through what could have happened, and
you know, was it a mental health episode, was it
she was trying to get away from her husband. I mean,
(11:24):
it's it's really that was especially fascinating, and that to
me still remains like one of the most I guess,
she could say, curious cases that we've covered.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Just because.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Of how it played out and because of her untimely
death and where she was found was six hundred miles
away from where she was reportedly last seen by her husband.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Weird. That was just so weird.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, it was very strange, especially because when people had
seen her in Ashville and Philadelphia and Depford, they had
seen it was seemingly that she was coherent. So I
don't know, it's just a really bizarre thing. Like I
was thinking, maybe she got drugged and taken down to
North Carolina, but it seems like she was pretty aware
of what was going on every step of the way.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's interesting. I had
a very strange episode myself, and not me personally, but
like a very dear friend of mine had an episode
where and how it came to be was I had
texted her and then her husband texted me back and said, oh,
she's in the hospital. She's been confused, And I didn't
(12:41):
understand really like what that meant. But then when I
went to see her in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It it. She really was. It was.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It was so In other words, this story, the idea
that she could have been confused and sort of dysorient
did and today now seems like a viable reason for
her ending up in North Carolina. I don't know, Yeah,
(13:12):
I don't know if I would have felt that way
even six months ago, which is really interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, but when you know somebody with a personal experience,
it helps you connect it a little better when you're
peopleful of your research.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Totally, totally, totally. I mean, it.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Really changes your perspective, especially when you can sort of
connect the dots in a way because of the experience
that you had and sort of look at other reasons
for the way something played out that you initially wouldn't
even consider.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I love the theme of the I love a podcast
that has a very specific theme because I think, especially
with vacation, every one of us could relate to it
because we go on vacation and the last thing you
think about is that you're not coming home. That's right,
And I think that's what is very intriguing to people
about your podcast, because it's it's a scary thought when
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you're going to do something. Vacation is entertainment. It's supposed
to be a positive in your life, and it's just
we have so many stories, Like just this week, it
was so crazy because we were having you on and
I was like, oh my god, there's a bunch of
stories that we could talk to you about this week
alone about people that were on vacation, and in these
(14:38):
particular stories, well, we can maybe talk about a couple
more that happened this week where people ended up dying,
but in these particular stories that we're going to start
off with, the people got seriously injured and could have died,
but it happened all the time. Yeah, It's just like
there's never ending. If there was, at least there was
(14:58):
at least five stories this week alone, and probably more
because we don't even hear about all of them. Imagine
a year, how many are happening, Especially people are traveling
internationally and it's a worldwide thing that could happen to.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
People exactly exactly, and you know, and I think, like
in the wake of camera phones, and I mean, it's
so weird when like, look, girls, let me tell you
something I was around when it's so funny because I
was around, like where there was one phone in the
(15:35):
wall in the kitchen with a very long cord.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Me too, I was too. I didn't get a cell
phone until I was twenty, right, right, I grew up
in the eighties, like you know.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Right, right, right, right, right, exactly, well, I grew up
in the seventies and eighties too, So so ladies, we
know that, like it's such a different time. Like the
idea of us as teenagers, right prepping and taking selfies
and doing all of that stuff just wasn't a thing.
And so now you know, like there was this influencer
(16:09):
who did influence it, like while she was traveling and
ended up trying to get a picture of take a
video and was taken by waterfalls.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I mean, it's it's crazy out here.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Well yeah, and I was going to bring that up
later in the episode, but I might as well talk
about it now because I was going to ask you
that the story that we're talking about, probably most of
the stories that we're talking about have to do with
people taking selfies, right, especially specific to selfies, which is weird.
But there's all of these statistics now about this, and
(16:46):
it's not only people getting hurt, but it's also like
really important pieces of artwork or getting messed up because
people are backing up into them when they're taking I mean,
it's like so outrageous to think about it, right, but
it really is, and it's it's just like you you
wouldn't believe. This week alone, there was two people fell
(17:09):
in Bryce Cannon, dropped four hundred feet to their death.
I don't know if you heard about this, but their
cat survived the fall somehow. I don't know why. You
was the cat with them? Like the people, Yeah, like
it's so random, but the cat. The cat was in
one of those it's a soft carry, but like not
the hard one, like a soft one like I use
(17:31):
it to bring my cat if I have to bring
the cat to the vet. But I found Yeah, they
found the cat alive, twelve year old cat four hundred
feet drop. But the people they don't one hundred percent
know what happened, but they do know that the couple
had climbed over the railing, which and they were likely
trying to get pictures. I was there for a reason.
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And and and then at the the Utah Archies Park
again yesterday, just yesterday, someone died the statistic that there's
like three hundred and fifty people that die a year
at the national parks, and half of them are considered
to be unintentional. So, I mean they said the most
common ones that happen or motor vehicle accidents believe it
or not. And then drownings and falls because people are
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I bet you the falls are always due to taking
pictures lately, like that has.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
To agree factor.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, I mean there's just so many, you know, just
even the story that I just mentioned, it's just something
with that distract, that distraction of.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
The phone and the camera and the video.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well, this is what Bray, why don't you tell them
about the first store? Yeah, so last week this twenty
nine year old man was visiting the Philippines. He decided
to take a trip to the local zoo. So while
he's there, he thinks he sees this fake crocodile. I mean,
you're at a real zoo.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But he like, what are you thinking? Crazy?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
So then he climbs over the fence to take a
picture with it, and of course it's real because you're
at a real zoo, and then it starts biting him.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
And then he's trapped, like he can't just he's literally
now being held hostage by this Yeah, and that's crazy
because who thought that would be a good idea?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And the whole thing's on video, which is, of course.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yes, I saw that. That was crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Oh my god, I don't even know. And then you're like,
he's you know. They call it a death roll with
these crocodiles, where they're strategically rolling around their prey in
this certain way to try to kill them, and then
the zoo keeper then has to go in and risk
their life hit the crocodile with over the head with
concrete to get it to open it straw, which also
(19:57):
should the animal get hurt in the process, when it's
just be an animal and doing its thing exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I agree a thousand percent with you on that, because
that does seem really unfair. And you know, just because
basically you're you're you're going into their.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
House and see us all the time.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, you're going into their house.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's It's good because at the end of the story,
I was expecting to hear that they euthanize the animal,
and they didn't, because usually that's how it ends, and
you're like, why, what did the animal do?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Exactly exactly. The animal is just trying to live, that's it.
And uh yeah, I was actually relieved as well that
they did not hurt the animal. You know, I got
to say, when I was reading the article, I was
feeling bad that, you know, that the zoo keeper had
to take a stone or rock to you know, I was.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Like, oh my god, that poor out.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Like I was feeling sorry for the animal, you know,
but you know, it's crazy, you know. I'd also read
that they also wondered if the man was had some
mental health issues, which you know, again could be I
don't know, but you know, one does wonder, like, you know,
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it doesn't seem far fetched to think that you could
be a little off getting into you know, getting into
the space with a wild animal.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh willy nilly.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Accidental deaths are far more common in men, so it
wouldn't be unheard of that they said this was just
some like dumb shit this guy did. It is cool
to watch the video, though, because, like Maria was saying, that,
you could see this death roll thing they do because
their teeth aren't designed to work like ours. They basically
(21:54):
just go down and clamp down. And what they do
is they shake the body from some I decided us
to rip it apart so they could swallow the piece's whole. Yeah,
it's outrageous, but crocodiles have the strongest bite in the
animal kingdom. I don't know if you if you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Know that, I did not know that.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Thirty seven hundred pounds of pressure when they're biting on someone,
and a human bite is one hundred and sixty two
pounds of pressure. So think about like I just bit
my lip the other day and I saw stars, you know,
and that's one hundred probably as hard as I could
because I was like trying to chew through a pepper
and it was a hundred that's one hundred and sixty
(22:35):
two pounds when a crocodiles three thousand, seven hundred. Yeah,
so imagine he was screaming obviously, Yeah, I wou'd say,
and he had to get fifty stitches. I kind of
can't be survived it.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, he was very lucky.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He was very lucky because you know, when you think
about that kind of trauma on the body, it almost
invites other medical episode to occur, because you know, he's lucky,
he's lucky he didn't have a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He's lucky. You know that he didn't bleed out.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
He's lucky that you know, there was just it's crazy,
but what occurred was the best case scenario given these
set of circumstances.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Oh yeah, he could have left with an amputation or
like you said, oh he could have led out I
mean parallel like paralysis, anything like that. So another interesting
thing I want to bring up to you that we've noticed,
because people submit videos to us all day long, that
there's a lot of citizen journalists that are trying to
get the next viral video and a lot of people.
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I mean, in this case, there's nothing really patrons of
the Zoo could have done to help, But a lot
of times people are just videoing people suffering and not
even assisting. It's so bizarre.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It is Yeah, that's true. That is true. Everybody's out
with their phone.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's it's the phone is a very interesting thing that
enters into this whole world of true crime slash just
covering deaths and accidents. It's it's just a very it's
it's a very interesting phenomenon and we see it sometimes
with people. The most recent one we talked about was
the shooting at Florida's State University where a video went
(24:25):
viral of a person who got shot during the shooting
and someone walked by, like holding a coffee cup, just
videoing this girl on the ground bleeding out and not
even saying like, hey, are you okay? Nothing. It was
just that was ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's very strange. It's very strange, you know,
and it's more pervasive than you would even think, like
that's not even out of the ordinary.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
No, I mean, it's just normal behavior anymore, or especially
for millennials and gen Z they're just so worried about
being on TikTok and not worried about, you know, helping
a person that's bleeding out in front of them and Kim,
I was just gonna say that to you, like we
grew up and were normal and in our twenties and
thirties when we started using phones, it wasn't our whole life.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And it's like, so that's true.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Oftentimes, I mean sometimes, and you can ask Maria, like
sometimes I don't touch my phone for five hours a day,
Like I don't hate it, right, it's just over there.
And yes, especially when work needs to get that enough bating.
I don't answer for me. I'm from I'm from the
school of like there's never going to be and you'll
(25:41):
never be able to tell me this, that someone has
to be able to get a hold of me at
all times, right, you know what I mean, Like I'm
not everyone's back.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
In call, right, No, totally, totally. That's that's the thing.
And I get that a lot too, Like why don't
you answer your phone because I'm doing something else? I mean,
it's it's true, it's true.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
It's it really is like a new era, if you will,
and and the and the era is such that we
are surrounded by people that don't know anything else.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, yeah, don't you miss the days like I remember
before caller. I d came out like it just was
all remember yeah, you just like, oh someone might be
calling me, I'm just not going to answer. And that
was it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Loved it, I know, right, Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Remember you could just like leave the house, yes, and
just and just be like, okay, you know, are you called?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I didn't. No, there was no answer machine. It was
just like, oh they called busy, yeah yeah, before call
waiting and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, oh my god, how funny is that.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
It's maybe bring it back, you know, it's I gotta say,
I you know, I think my daughter would lose her mind.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, oh no. Kids, kids wouldn't know what to do
with themselves.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
It's they have no idea, like imagine imagine not having
a phone. Imagine just stepping outside your house and just
go and go shopping, go like it's it's so far
removed from that era because we are so dependent.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
On our cell phones.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I forget my phone often when I go out, and
everyone has a meltdown if they can't like oh she did,
Like I'm just like I just don't care about it,
right right, right right. This episode is brought to you
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be exclusive for the Gross Room. What else are we
covering in there this week? Oh, we have that crazy
Lori Valos story that's going on all month for us.
Basically that's gonna be our high profile death to section
for the next few weeks. Yeah, we have that, and
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then coming up too, we're gonna cover physician assisted suicide.
So that's gonna be really interesting. And as usual, we
just have crazy posts like you're saying almost every single
day in there. So you guys want the head over
to the grocerroom dot com now to sign up. Okay,
So our next phone dependent person needed to take a
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selfie so bad at the Colosseum and their picture wasn't
good enough, so they decided to climb the fence and
on the way down they became impaled.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Oh my god, that was absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That was crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
This happened in Philly last year, really at wanted the
Stadiums in the middle of the night. What wasn't somebody
was running from the police or something. Something happened and
somebody climbed over one of the fences at the stadiums
and their leg got impaled on the fence and they
were hanging upside down.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Oh my god, that just sounds awful. I mean, you
know this guy, and this happened just a few days ago,
like it says may.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Second, like he's probably still in the hospital. Holy cow.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And here's the thing, that too, is also the best
case scenario when you consider that in that position, he
could have just bled out.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oh yeah yeah. And it's like you get to get
eighty stitches.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Eighties yes, I mean it's like, dude, was it worth it? Like,
come on, like, what made you think that that was
a good idea?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I don't know, but listen, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Like when we go my family and I travel a lot.
We take road trips and go to these national parks.
My husband always goes like over the bar and he's
a firefighter, so he has no fear of anything. In
the whole time, I'm just like my heart's beating and
the kids are like, can we go with them? And
(30:53):
I'm like, absolutely not. I don't care if you think
I'm the biggest like Karen whatever you want to call me,
like you're not. There's a reason that that thing's there,
and and and like so like I live with somebody
that does stuff like this that just right when they
say don't take pictures, I kind of I'm like, Okay,
I don't want to get in trouble. I'm not going
to take a picture. He like no, no regard, Like
(31:15):
I'm here and I'm getting I'm document in this thing
right Like.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Well, you know, I guess it's it's the sort of
the nature of a firefighter. I mean, they're not afraid
of danger in the way that we are.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I would have to reckon because yeah, terrible.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
You imagine paying all that money to go to Italy
and then you see the impairment happen and you're like,
I would love it, Actually that would be I'd be
like for you definitely work.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I know, look freaks like us. Yeah, I would probably,
I admit I'd probably be.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Like, what's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Move?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So I gulds.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Now that so you cover all this true crime stuff,
Like when you see the autopsy photos and stuff, are
you interested in it or does it bother you?
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:11):
No, I'm very interested.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
I wish that I could just view autopsy photos really,
like I literally go online to see if there are photos.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
We're gonna have to give her a membership to the
Grocerroom because that's yea our website every day, all day,
every day.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
That would be such a gift.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I gotta tell you, I missed my calling. If I
went into medicine, That's what I would be doing. If
I went into medicine, I would be doing pathology or
I would be a medical examiner somewhere or you know,
a pathology assistant.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Like I truly missed my calling.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
You know, no, you did it. You're doing this and
it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's true. That is true. That is true.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
The only thing that I think would freak me out
are the bugs.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
It's because whenever I would get a specimen or a
body that had maggots on it, like I feel like
I have to go home and take a shower, it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's right. So you know you've been there.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I can't explain it to you. It's just like you're
just sitting there and you're like they're crawling all over me.
It's just the weirdest thing. No, I always I'm like,
I have to go home.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I can't even imagine. I can't.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
That would be the thing too, that would have me.
My response would be very similar.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Still, think about doctor Bird. Last year we interviewed a
forensic entomologists. He specializes in dealing with the bugs.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
There's some people that interested in it that they want
to specialize in it. He loves the bugs.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I got. Look, let's face it, bugs are interesting, especially
bugs that you find on dead bodies. If I didn't
get the GB's like I do, I would be very fat.
I'd be very fascinated. It's just again, you know, I mean,
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the human form, the human body is just so interesting.
And you know, so, yeah, autopsy is that kind of thing.
I find reading those reports absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
You know what's interesting that that people don't really think of.
So as a PA, I've worked in surgical pathology and autopsy,
and when I get a leg in surgical pathology that
has maggots on it. It just gross.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
It.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I don't want to say gross because it's not gross.
It just gives me like, like you said, like babb feeling,
yes exactly. And to think that that leg was just
attached to a person that's alive. That's what really freaks
me out. Like when you see bobs on a dead body,
You're like, Okay, they're dead, they're supposed to be gross.
But this is like a whole other level.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
That is a whole other level that is that is
because cause you to pause and go.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Wow, like could you imagine having a maggot infestation on
your body while you're alive and alert?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And I know that that's a thing. I know, Yes,
it is a thing.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
I mean, but I got to tell you, I can't imagine.
I cannot imagine. And they thrive in that environment, like
it's so gross and fascinating.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So we had a case in the gross room fairly
recently about a person that had gone on vacation so
this is a vacation story and came home and had
this itch on his neck and it looked like a
mosquito bite, and that's what he thought he was, and
then he went to the hospital and no, it wasn't
a mosquito bite. It was a fly under his skin
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from traveling to a tropical occasion. Yes, oh, and I'm
sure you don't you hear about this when people travel
to places like that, right.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I you know. I did read
something like that a while ago.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
And it was a woman that was hiking and this
was years ago, and a fly flew in her ear.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
She had like maggots in her brain.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Oh god, no, I know, it's so crazy, but it happens.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It does happen. If yeah, yeah, it is funny.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I think your husband came to you. No, it's funny
to think your husband came to you. It was like,
do you think there's enough content to talk about things
that happen to people on vacation and it turns out
it just will never end. You have endless content?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Oh my god, you're absolutely right there, and it's it's
it's yeah, we do.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
We do.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
We actually have a spreadsheet of just so many names.
It's crazy, it really is.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
And it's like you were like, it's like that on
this show too, Like we have to cut so many
things every week because there's just so much of it.
We just can't cover it. We could do ex episode
every single day, like easily.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Exactly exactly. Isn't that shocking?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
It's awesome. It's kind of like humans are going to
keep being human, so keep it going and then we'll
always be employed.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Really well, this thing, this is another animal attack. Going
to earlier. So, the sixty year old woman was circling
in southern Australia and suddenly this sting ray came up
behind her and stung her with its six inch of barb. Horrific.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yes, yes, and she's lucky to penetrate. Oh my god, bro,
stay away, I am not. Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
It said that the barb pierced her right arm just
above the elbow, and she likened it to a like
being bitten by a door, and it's lucky it didn't
like go through a main artery.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Again, a situation where in spite.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Of this, it was the best case scenario because she
was able to.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Get help immediately. Holy cow, holy.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, this is one of those near misses her. It
went right next to her brachial artery and she was
still bleeding a lot actually, and that's the thing like,
if you ever get injured in the water like that,
do you want to get out if you're bleeding like that,
because then that's going to attract a shark.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Like literally, oh my god, you're so right about that.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, I didn't even think about that. And and the
stingrays have they have like a double whammy when because
the the barb is actually serrated like a like a
knife would be like a steak knife with the little
teething you know, yes, it's like that, but it also
has talksin in it that could make necrosis in the area.
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So for her especially, So I don't know if you
remember this is how Steve Irwin died.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yes I remember that, but yes, yes, I think he
got it right through the chest.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, so for him, the necrosis wouldn't have been an
issue obviously, because the thing stabbed them. It's crazy. The
cameraman and they had it all on film, witness the
whole thing and said, the thing just went nuts and
was like repeatedly stabbing them in the chest. But if
the if a piece of the barber can sometimes break
off inside of the person, it could cause tissue death
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around that area. So a person that survives it. They
have like that to worry about too, not just bleeding out.
It's very bizarre because the the woman is saying is
really out of character for the stingray to attack.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
I had read that as well, that it's not that
typically stink rays do not attack people.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
No, that's not their nature. They're pretty docile.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, They're generally not aggressive unless they feel threatened. So
it's interesting because she was a researcher, so I assume
she was doing all the proper things. But I guess
sometimes people could step on them by accident too, which
triggers an attack. It's weird with Steve Irwin that he
was repeatedly attacking him in that way. I didn't really
know that fact about it. Yeah, well, there was a
(40:27):
lot of things that it stabbed him and he pulled it.
There was like a lot of hearsay about it. I
did a celebrity death so in our website we were
talking about every week we do a celebrity death dissection
or a high profile death dis section where we go
through the autopsy of like hal a person died and stuff,
and Yeah, you're gonna love it. You're you're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Like roll on that I already Yes, yes, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
But honestly, yeah, he had he had a cardiac tampa odds.
So so it pierced his heart and caused them to
bleed out. And not only do you bleed out from
a hole in the heart, but also the just the
blood accumulating in the sack around the heart. Yes, the
heart too and causes it.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, so you're not you can't breathe, you can't oxygen
is not going through the body.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
H Yeah, that was that was really really sad.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
But yeah, I mean, this woman was incredibly lucky, incredibly
lucky because it could have been a disaster in a
whole other way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
And I think that the largest ones have barbs that
are eight inches long, so I mean this one was
six inches long. So it was a pretty big sting, right,
I mean. And then to think that someone like Steve Irwin,
who was so experienced with these animals, actually died from that,
that would freak me out.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
You know, yes, yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
So the woman had said that she's going to actually
keep the bar as sort of like a sylvenir of survival,
which is kind of cool.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
No, it is cool because I would do something like
that too, But some people would be so traumatized, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, no, look things again, things like that fascinate me.
Like like my cat, for example, had to have emergency
surgery because he was eating strange things and there was
some kind of obstruction and I just happened to say
to the surgeon that was gonna you know the vet,
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I said, could you.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Just keep it for me?
Speaker 1 (42:39):
I'd like to see And I saved it, and of
course this and it was a like you know those
like yoga mats those, Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
And I was like, yeah, so stuff like that totally
fascinates me. And like you yeah, I would have definitely
been like, yeah, can you can I keep that?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I'm going to take that home.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well, we were just talking. Was it last episode about uh?
It was one episode this week about a woman who
was cutting off of voluntarily cutting off her body parts
and cut off her nose and was saving all of
these body parts she was cutting off in jars in
her house.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Oh my god, that is so like, why fascinating?
Speaker 2 (43:22):
But I don't know about cutting off your own body parts.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I mean whatever, That's why I said to Marie. I
was like listen. If I'm going to cut off my nose,
I'm going to keep it in the jar. Like well,
I have my kids placentas and jars in my house,
like I love, I keep stuff. I'm a keeper girl.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
I love that. That makes me wish I had done
the same thing. I mean, I have her teeth and
I have her first hair from her first hair cut.
But I didn't think of that. So you guys are
near Philly, right, so you must have been to the
mut Or Museum.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, Oh yeah, I got married there.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Oh my god, where have you guys been all my life? Yes?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yes, I'm like she she's going to be the most
active member in the gross room.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Right, It's true. It's true.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
No, it's it's that you're gonna kill me because you're
going to be busy for like the next six months reading.
I mean, I've been doing it for five years. There's
like thousands of posts on there. Now it's it's, oh
my gosh, yeah, you're gonna have fun.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
I yes, just thinking about it is. I love that
you got married at the Letter Museum. I got to say,
that's I wish I had thought of that.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
There were there were lots of uninvited guests at my
wedding in the background. I bet photobomb.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Bet I bet, I bet. And the funny thing is is,
whenever I'm in Philly, I always try to hit up
that place.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah, you have to let us know next time you're around,
because you will over my house, will my stuff?
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I am there, all right, all there, all right.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
So this, this last case that we're going to talk about,
has nothing to do with vacation, but I figured you'd
be interested just because you're a true crime junkie.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yes, yes, I am.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
And this is especially fascinating because again it was DNA
an old fingerprint, it's and here we are the person.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
This was a murder that took place.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
In January nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Holy cow.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, absolutely crazy. That was like two years before I
was born.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
I am.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah. Like you know what I really love about these
old cases. The investigators may have not really known that
DNA was ever going to be on the horizon, but
they saved the right stuff to test it in the future.
That's I think that's so cool.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
That's yeah, I agree, I agree. I mean when you
think about this, right, I mean, and just when these
people probably gotten to a point where they thought I.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Got away with it.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
It's like, nope, surprise, surprise. I gotta say, A cool thing,
isn't it. I love that for them. I love that
for them to finally, you know that they get what's coming.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
The dude's like almost seventy years old. Yes, and it's like, good,
you did think you got away with it.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I love it, exactly. We love that for them.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
We love that because you know, it's it's just disgusting
to think that you snuffed this young woman and she
didn't get to watch her son grow up. She didn't
get to go to his you know, his graduation, his graduations.
She didn't get to be a part of his life. So, yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah. So the specifics of this case is that this
twenty four year old woman was found dead on February first,
nineteen seventy seven. The last time she had been seen
was the night before, leaving a bar with an unknown man,
and she was found in a old Swagen Beetle in
the backseat, strangled by a long sleeved T shirt. It
looked like the car had been tried. The killer tried
(47:30):
to set the car on fire, but had failed at that.
So after all this time, they found this fingerprint on
one of her cigarette packs. Wow, and they've now been
able to identify this man that's sixteen nine years old.
This I always cite the Golden State killer case because
that was like mind blowing to me when that all happened.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
I just recently read Paul Hol's book going kind of
step by step about how they did that, and I
think this is such incredible work all these years later,
and that these investigators are still so devoted enough to
try to solve this almost case.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yes, his name was Willy Eugene Sims, sixty nine years old,
and they got him. He was in Jefferson, Ohio. And
I love this for you, Willy Eugene Sims. Yeah, It's
it's crazy. And you know, again, the thing that always
(48:24):
kind of makes me wonder.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Is what who does that? Who does that to people?
And why? It's just it's just crazy to me.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, and he's as a thing. He did it a
year later, right and got yes, but yes he didn't
kill the person, right right, Yes, that's right. Yeah, And
I think at the time, so this crime happened in California,
which again it's insane. He's in Hawaii, Ohio now, so
they were able to find him. You're there. But I
(49:01):
think at the time they maybe didn't put his DNA
in the system because you know how before we had
the DARE public systems there for dakotis. But it didn't
seem like he was in there.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah, no, I don't think he was.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
God people got away with murders so much, literally truly.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
God girl, they did, they did. I mean, that's that's
the thing that's just so mind boggling, you know, just
and multiple killings, like like Harry Ridgeways, It's like and
there's and and the book that you read of the
(49:41):
Golden the one in California.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Who yeah, holy cow.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
So it's it's it's very rewarding to.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Me to see them get what's coming that that always
feels good.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Yeah. We always say that everybody that committed a crime
is probably like shitting themselves now knowing that they're just
going through.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Everything as they should be, exactly as they should be.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Okay, as they should be. You know, I'm glad.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Science is amazing, it's amazing, and it's amazing to think
just how far we've come from even just like five
ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
How far we've come.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
It's it's pretty crazy, it really is, and pretty amazing too. No.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Absolutely, yeah. And all those women that had kids that
they didn't know who the dad was and all that.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Oh girl, remember when that could be a secret to
the grade. I mean, can I just tell you I
have at least two friends that found out without even knowing.
One found out that her dad was not her dad,
and another friend found out that the landlord wasn't heard.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Oh my god, that's traumatizing, right, Yes, I can't even
imagine how I'm setting that would be.
Speaker 4 (51:16):
No, because it's it's it's it brings so many other
things into focus now, doesn't it. I Mean it's like, seriously, Mom, seriously.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
Are you kidding me? Right now? The landlord.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
We were just saying, we were just talking about that
because there's a couple of cases of like famous people
that there's always question about, like Prince Harry and then
who's the other one, Oh William Frank Sinatra and oh
Rodan Pharaoh.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
H right me and Pharaoh's son Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah, part of me thinks that he's supposed to be
Woody Allen's kid, like yeah, but part of me thinks that,
like you know, he would want to get the DNA
test because you wouldn't want to be tied to Woody Allen.
But at the same time, he might want to protect
his mom's integrity. So he's doing this is what I think.
I think that he's done it and he knows and
he's waiting for what he Allen to die to get
the money, and then afterwards he's gonna come out. I
(52:11):
don't think he's getting the money at this point. I
mean he I just wrote a book wrote and Pharaoh
wrote about Harvey Weinstein, and he touched a lot on
the pedophilia of his father in that book. So I
would say it's safe to say he's probably cut out
of the wills. Well, just just in case, he better
be kep his mouth shut for another couple of years.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Just hang in there, Just hang in there, keep your
eye on the dollar.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
I think he's protecting me a pharaoh, that's my think.
So maybe he'll wait till she dies, right, Maybe yeah,
Because I think you know, if you're if your biological
father ended up being this pedophile and then ended up
marrying your sister, I think that you would want to
do everything in your power to prove you were not
related to that person. And plus like I mean, like listen,
(52:57):
I used to like what he allen before before all this,
so he's equally.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Like was girl me?
Speaker 3 (53:04):
I know like some of his movie. I just like
the whole thing bothered. It's the same with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Though, yes, girl, yes, yes, we did have a whole
other podcast on that stuff, couldn't we now?
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Oh my god, Like I was really obsessed with Michael
Jackson my entire life because that was like when I
who wasn't Yes, I know exactly exactly, And you know,
when you hear the songs, it just like makes you
feel good and remind you when you're a kid and stuff,
And I'm like, why him?
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Why right right right?
Speaker 3 (53:33):
I can't. I just like can't even tell my kids
like you gotta love this guy because I can't.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
You can't. I know, I really could not, right, It's
It's sad, it really is.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Well, Kim, thanks so much for being here with us.
This was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
It was so much fun.
Speaker 4 (53:50):
Thank you guys so much for having you saw your
yes and I will when when I saw your h
the title of your podcast, I was like, oh my god,
my people, my people.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yes, for sure, we have everywhere. Tell everyone where they
could find you. You on Instagram where.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
I am on I am on Instagram. You can find
me on Instagram at slaycation WTF. It's one word and
it's exactly how it sounds. You can find this on
Facebook slaycation. We have a closed group if you want
to get into the nitty gritty with us, it's slay
Caters only, So come on down. And I'm actually on
(54:35):
Instagram as my own personal as that girl Knits. So
if you're curious about crafting and like to see what
I make, that girl Nits is the place to be
if you want to.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
She's gonna be our best friend, like huge craft people too.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Oh my god, ladies, yes.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yes, Wait, can I tell you what Maria got me for?
Was it my birthday? Christmas? She got me electric scissors?
Speaker 4 (55:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
You know, well joey and fabric isn't even but the
girl used them and to cut the fabric, and I
was like, and me and her looked at each other
and were like, that's awesome. So she got them for me.
I use because I'm like, I get really into my
kids school projects. I've been working on one with her
now for like weeks because I always wanted to be
the best thing ever. You know, Yes, but you have
(55:37):
to get the electric scissors.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I am, I'm there, I'm on board. I'm on board.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
They cut through cardboard like butter. It's just amazing. Yeah,
it's good. I find this so funny. You're so interested
in this gift. I thought for sure you were going
to make fun of me for buying them for you.
And I use them so much.
Speaker 4 (55:59):
You you see, you see that, you see that's the
whole thing. I mean, you never know, but something you
tapped into something, you tapped into something.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
So I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4 (56:13):
There's some psychic thing that you got going on that
you knew. Okay, because that's a great gift. I'm here
to tell you.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
And it's like those little things, you know.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
I feel like it's that quote where it's like, are
you my new best friend?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
She's gonna come over here and be like, oh my god,
this is so cool and yeah, it's great.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
Absolutely, absolutely, ladies, this was so much fun.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
Thanks come back again, please.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Bro, I will, I will.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
I look forward to going over the crazy stories and
the latest placation cases.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
There's always going to be something to talk about.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
Yes, awesome, Thank you so much, thank him. If you
guys would be so awesome as to leave us a
review on Apple or Spotify or subscribe to our YouTube channel,
And if you have a story for us, please submit
it to stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. And don't forget
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I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
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