On today’s MKD, we discuss the death of Cheers star George Wendt, a couple who each lost an arm holding each other during a tornado, new charges in the Pirates fan fall, a woman who cut off her husband's penis and cooked it, a pizza chef who cooked his victim, a man who died by suicide after a LASIK procedure, and a woman who got a text from her dead son.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.
Welcome to Mother Knows Death.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
On today's episode, we're going to be talking about a
couple who both experienced arm amputations during a recent tornado.
An update on a story we brought you a couple
of weeks ago about a Pittsburgh Pirates fan who fell
out of the stands onto the field. A couple stories
involving people cooking their victims' bodies. Yes, notice I said
(00:43):
a couple stories because it happened more than once recently,
Believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
A cop who killed.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Himself after having complications from Lasik eye surgery, and I
have a lot of thoughts on that, and another horrendous
case of mistaken identity. All that and more on today's episode. First,
let's talk about a celebrity that died this week.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, so George Went. He's an actor most famously known
for being on Cheers. He has died at age seventy six.
Why are all of the articles are talking about this
guy who's his nephew that I didn't even know that
Jason sideikis. I didn't realize that was his uncle either,
but I don't, like, I don't understand when you're this
(01:26):
guy was on one of the most famous sitcoms of
all times, So why is it even important to mention
that he's related to Jason Sada?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Now it's annoying. It's like, that's what annoys me most
about this. I'm just like, dude, Cheers was like.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The biggest show ever.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I guess maybe for younger people that I don't know.
I just think that it's ridiculous. And then the way
the article's written, it's like he's survived by multiple family members,
including Jason Sideikas, who is the kid of like his
sixth sister I don't even know, and then scrolled down
five more paragraphs and then it's like, yeah, he was
(02:03):
married and he had been since the seventies, like to
to the same one exactly, like and I'm just like, oh,
that's that's cool. The kids don't feel like shit about
that at all, Like Banks.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I mean, it was really bizarre because it was
every single article you opened and I didn't even know
they were related. And I don't think it matters necessarily
that they are, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But I mean, he they said he died of in
a sleep of old age or you know, natural causes. Weever,
so Inside Edition was saying that he was suffering from
kidney issues and he was having difficulty walking recently. He
was wheel chair bound as of January, so you can
assume it's something related to that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, I mean, he's seventy six. I don't know like that.
It's kind of young. But I always say my threshold
is like seventy, because if you live past seventy, then
I think that you did pretty good. But I mean,
obviously living longer is better, but seventy is a good age.
Just you know, when I see all of the natural
(03:05):
deaths that happened in the hospital and stuff, and I
was doing so many autopsies on people that were like
fifty six, and that's just that's young, you know. But
seventy's kind of like, all right, you made it, So
anything after that is like nice. Well. I think I've
said this on here before, but my friend Alicia used
to work at a nursing home and every time I'm like, oh, well,
the person was like seventy six, Like in this case,
She's like, that is so young. You have no idea
(03:26):
how long people live in the nursing homes, and I'm like,
all right, well, if you put it in that perspective, yeah,
I guess it is pretty young.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, And I mean and if you look at Norm
two just not like I don't know anything about his
medical history, but he has been obese his entire life.
I don't ever remember seeing him on TV being an
average sized build. So's there's complications that come with that too.
So living to be seventy six not in the greatest
health year old life is you know what I mean, Like,
(03:57):
maybe it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
He's a pretty big advocate for beer too. So he
had been quoted said, well you called him Norm, which
was his character on Cheers, but because that's who he is.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And he's also like I don't remember what his character was,
but he was doing you know, he was part of
the whole dub Bears on Saturday Night Live, which I
guess if people like I'm a huge person, that was
Saturday Night Live back in I mean the eighties and
the nineties, even the seventies. I used to watch there
runs like now it completely sucks, but back then it
was awesome, and that was like the best time with
(04:30):
like Chris Farley and stuff. So that's that's always what
I think of.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, but he said his character on Cheers is very
close to his real life persona, and as we see
in the show, he's chugging beers. I believe he was
in a couple of beer commercials in the eighties and nineties.
So if he was drinking a lot, he was heavy
his whole life. He probably has lifelong you know, health issues,
just sending from that, Like you said, and well, the
Beers and Cheers were fake, well they were fake. But
(04:55):
if he was drinking like how he was in real life,
how he was drinking the beers on the show, then
you assume he's drinking a lot. But let's also not
forget Cheers fun off one of my favorite shows ever, Frasier,
which everybody thinks is so boring. I know it's clever.
It's clever. I like it.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean Cheers is I look, Cheers was like my childhood,
like the song and everything.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It's just so good. All right, let's move into my
worst nightmare ever. So and e F four tornado ripped
through parts of Kentucky this week, and during the storm,
this couple who had been married for twenty nine years.
This is so sad me. I'm like. They were married
for twenty nine years and they were holding onto each
other during the storm, and as part of the impact,
they each lost an arm. Yeah, they lost opposite arms
(05:40):
because they were holding each other so tight. How outrageous
is that? And one of the neighbors heard the wife
screaming and went in the what I won't even say
the house what remains of the house, and saw her
arm laying in the hallway. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Luckily they were able to put a tourniquet around her
arm and save her life. They both ended up surviving
this because depending on where your arm is amputated, you
can die from that because you're severing the artery and
you could bleed out now if you are if your
hand gets cut off, it would take a longer time
for you to bleed to death.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
But if your arm.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Gets ripped off, especially very high up like near your armpit,
the closer it is to your heart, the more of
a chance you have of losing your life because of it.
And obviously you wouldn't bleed to death as fast as
if you got your carotid artery and your necks evert
or something like that. But it could you could really
bleed out fast. So if you're ever in a situation
(06:39):
where someone's limb gets amputated, the best thing is to
tie it off if you can put anything around it
at the top, like a belt. I don't know what
they said that they used in this case. You could
use anything that you could wrap and tie around somebody's
limb like that. But I was looking this up just
to see how fast the winds are, because then the
(07:02):
EF scale goes from zero to five, so four is
like up there, and the winds are one hundred and
sixty six to two hundred miles an hour, which is outrageous, right,
So they say that well built homes are reduced to
a pile of medium sized debris on the foundation, which
is essentially what their house looks like at when you
look at pictures of it. Homes that aren't anchored to
(07:24):
the ground are completely swept away. Large heavy vehicles, including
this is so frightening. Airplanes, trains, and large trucks can
be pushed over, flipped repeatedly, or.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Picked up and thrown in the air.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, large healthy trees are entirely debarked and snapped off
close to the ground or uprooted all together and turn
into flying projectiles, and then the same thing with cars.
They could be flung considerable distances. So it's not surprising
that a wind of this strength was if it could
pick up a frickin airplane, it's definitely able to rip
someone's arm off of their body.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Well, yeah, and this storm is particularly bad so far.
We know that nineteen people died in it. And I
was also looking up the statistics of these storms. So
the EAH fours are considered to be pretty rare, with
three per year on average, but there's already been five
this year so far, so that's really scary to think about.
I'm pretty sure Saint Louis last week just got hit
(08:19):
with a really bad one that wiped out like half
of a town. Yeah, they did.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And I think there's something I don't know because I
really didn't read into it that much. I just came
across a video on social media that was saying something
about an alarm not going off that should have went
off or something.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know. I'll look more into that, but yeah, like,
tornadoes are terrifying, and now with social media, it's like
you can I just see so many videos of them
and you're looking thinking, oh my god, if I was
just driving up with the street and saw this, like
what would you do? And I guess people like live
around there are used to that, but for us it's terrifying.
(08:57):
Well yeah, because I well, I saw a video of it,
but I thought it was, you know, like an older video.
I didn't realize it just happened. And I didn't realize
it actually happened until I saw the Saint Louis Blues
post about the devastation from it. And you know, I
think a lot of people that live in these areas,
like you're saying, are you to it? Like my best
friends from Wisconsin, and he was like, if we just
(09:19):
if we got the warning, we'd just keep beating dinner
like nothing happened while one was just blowing through the
backyard like you just get so used to it. And
then I had sent you a video because everybody makes
fun of me because I hide in the closet in
my basement, but I had sent you this video of
this girl that was like renovating or tornado shelter in
her backyard and it's like I should do that with
(09:40):
the closet. But I guess a lot of people probably
put a TV in there in like a mini fridge. No,
I'm very but like a mini fridge, an ice beanbag,
like a probably a cute little fuzzy area rug, and
a little emergency radio in some necks. But no, I
think a lot of people in these areas have shelters
or places they could easily go. Not that it makes
it any less horrific, because you could still lose your
(10:00):
whole house, but at least you have shelter to be safe,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, so it's it's I just can't I can't imagine
living there like that. I mean, but whatever, like you said,
I think a lot of it is because we don't
live around there. Maybe it's just overly dramatized. I mean, obviously,
like this particular story, it is terrible, but I don't
really know how often it happens. How you don't have
(10:26):
a warning like that in certain areas, because this seems
like an area that gets hit usually there's there's just
lots of different factors to consider, but this story is
just so unusual because of the their limbs getting ripped
off like that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, it's sad too to think they were like holding
onto each other it's just a horrific story. You just
don't want to hear it all around. Now, Okay, So
we talked about this Pirates fan who fell from the
stance a couple of weeks ago, and now there are
some charges for the person who provided him with the
alcohol because he was under age and shouldn't have been
drinking in the first place. Does this just like all
(11:04):
make sense? Now? Well, we do, remember we should we
knew he was drunk, but remember when we saw the
video and it just was like he was so drunk
that he was acting completely out of control and looked
like he appeared to fall or jump over when he
was celebrating. And now that you find out that the
guy's twenty and was getting alcohol from someone at the
(11:27):
stadium that was buying it for him, You're like, oh,
that makes sense, Like maybe the guy hasn't drank that
much in his life and doesn't know how to handle
it and had too many and was just overly drunk,
you know what I mean, Like it just makes a
little bit more sense now to me. I get that,
But I still like they're still saying in this article
(11:48):
that it was an accident, right, and like, really, I've
looked at this video one hundred times slowed down, and
it still looks like he intentionally launched himself over the edge.
It's possible, but like people do dumb shit when they're drunk,
So it's like like he might not have really realized
what was happening. And listen, like he's twenty. I doubt
(12:09):
this is the first time that he drank. But no,
not at all, but like we don't know that, okay,
And they said, this is what's really cool. They did
an investigation at the stadium and they found all this
surveillance video of the guy he was with buying these
two beers that he gave to him. Now, when we
say two beers, though they're twenty four ounce can so
(12:30):
I would say that he had four beers right now.
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
How fast he drank them close together. We don't know
how used to alcohol he is. We don't know if
he ate, we don't know any We don't know how
much he weighs, although he looked like he was in
normal weight, but even a standard beer twelve ounces, just
three beers can cause most people of normal weight will
cause most people to be legally impaired. Witches above zero
(12:58):
point zero eight percent blood alcohol volumes.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So if most.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
People have three beers, and people might be laughing at
me right now saying that, but like legally you would
be considered impaired. So having four and then maybe being
a person that was not used to it, you could
see why. And we don't even know if he drank
anything before he got there. Well yeah, because that's I mean,
I don't even know what inning it happened, you know
(13:24):
what I mean, like.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
The seventh inning. So but if he pounded them fast,
I mean and didn't really eat much, but did they
have tabs on him on the video the entire game
or yeah, just that that's all they found was two,
because he could have had more. He could have been
taking SIPs of other people's drinks the whole well they.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Found they found the guy buying them and then handing
them to him and him holding it like they they
which is it's kind of crazy that you're able to
they're able to track you like that. But I mean,
once something like that happened, of course they want to
figure it out, especially when they found out that the
guy was twenty, because the Pittsburgh Pirates don't want it.
I mean could you could you imagine if somebody that
(14:03):
worked there served them the beer And I don't know how.
I honestly don't know how you avoid that because they do.
I think that they're pretty good about asking for ID
at the at the stadium. But then like you're handing
it to a person that's giving you ID, like you
can't be responsible for who they're handing it to.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, yeah, exactly. This is also reminding me of that
guy that went to a Dodgers game and he ended
up getting accused of murder and they were like, he
was like, well I was at a Dodgers game when
you're saying this person died, right, or maybe it was
a robbery. Anyway, he got charged with some crime and
he was the police were like, well, where's your ticket whatever,
(14:40):
and he couldn't find it and he was like, well, wait,
they were filming a TV show in my section while
I was there and it was a curve your enthusiasm
And they found the clip and ended up exonerating him
with that. Oh wow, So that's crazy. Yeah, it really is,
because he I don't know exactly what happened with the ticket.
It was like before it was so crazy and digital
I think he he had a paper one at the
(15:00):
time and he was like, I don't have it, and
there was no proof he was there. But then they
got in contact with the HBO and they went through
the footage and they did indeed find him in the background,
timestamped at the exact time the crime happened. Wow, that's cool. Yeah,
so pretty crazy. But I agree with you, Like how
do you luck out like that? I don't know, because
that it was such a weird thing. There's a whole
(15:22):
documentary about it, and Larry David's like in it laughing
about how for days. But yeah, I mean the guy
got messed up. He had a broken neck, clavicle and back.
They're saying he just took his first steps recently since
the fall, so he's messed up. Well, and listen, like
when you're twenty years old, like you made the decision
to drink it as well, you're definitely like a legal
(15:45):
adult making this decision to do this. But at the
same time, like the laws are the laws, and like
you wouldn't have had it if somebody didn't give it
to you.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So yeah, I actually, you know, I think about this
because when we che's, when we were kids like adults
always bought alcohol for us. Yeah, I sit there and think, like,
I mean, it was to the point where we would
be like I mean, I didn't really drink, but the
people that I would hang around.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
With would you can go up.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You would go like some of my guy friends especially,
would go to a liquor store and just like hang
out there and wait for people to walk out and
then like ask them and bribe them and give them
money to go in and get them beer. Like it's
so insane that people would do that, and you're just
taking on a huge responsibility doing that, And now that
(16:33):
guy's going to get in a bunch of trouble for what.
Like I just don't understand serving miners alcohol, Like what,
I just think it's the dumbest thing ever.
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Speaker 1 (17:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So, yeah, like I said early, we just have a
couple stories of people who are just deciding to cook
their victims, which is really a new disturbing like trend.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I guess I don't know. This one's extra weird because
this lady caught her husband watching porn and then investigators
are saying they just thought she was in a rage
and jealous, but she ended up killing him, but then
ended up taking it another step further cut his penis
off and then decided to cook it in a stew
and then decided to eat it.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Like they found this body with no penis, So of
course they start investigating. I mean, they're gonna investigate it anyway.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
But the worst part of.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
The story is is that they're like, it's not clear
if she was the only one that ate it, or
if she fed it to people it was in a
bean stew. Didn't we talk about this last year at
crime con where this woman cooked her like grandmother's ashes
and the spaghetti dish and served it to her.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Family and didn't tell them.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's what Uh, it makes me scared to like eat,
just to eat anything from other people, because you know
what I mean, like or interview these people. You should
see the picture they used with this article, like a
stock photo, but it looks like a bean stew that
has these like like cut pieces of sausage in it,
(19:19):
and you're looking at it and you're it's like a
stock photo, so it's really sausage, but you're looking at
it and you're just like, oh my god, like is
this what this person did?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like how you just you might not even know. You
might be like, what does this meat taste like? It's different?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Obviously it's not like it's not skeletal muscle, so it's
going to have a different texture.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't I don't even know what you would like.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And it too for an animal because nobody well, I
guess in some countries they eat that kind of stuff,
but they don't serve penis here, so I've never had it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's really disgusting, and it's like, it's even more disturbing
because it's not the only case in Brazil recently where
somebody did this. There was another case you were talking
about in the article where somebody had cut off a
guy's penis and his heart and also ate that. And
then we have this guy in France that admitted to
killing his neighbor and then he ended up dismembering him
(20:13):
and cooking his remains in a pot of vegetables. To
quote mask the Odor. The craziest part of this particular
story is that the case in France anyway, I guess
there's three people that are suspected of killing this guy.
One of the guys is a butcher, and then one
of them is a grave digger. Like, what kind of
(20:35):
friendships do these people have that you know there?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And they're just like, yeah, they cooked this guy and
then they burned his body and they scattered it around
their property.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And they used.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They cooked his limbs to get rid of the smell.
To mask the smell, I'm not like, so what did
they let him decompose a little bit and then do
it Because if you cooked, I mean, in theory, I'm
not thinking about doing this, but if you had raw
body parts, it would be the same as like a
pork roast or something, right, or pork shoulder, just putting
(21:08):
it in and cooking it. Like, if it's not decomposed,
it shouldn't smell really much different than any other kind
of meat you're cooking.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So this is what happened. They're saying that it was
like this burglary gone wrong and the guy ended up
The killer is claiming that the guy ended up suffocating.
And then he said they took the body back to
the victim's house and waited three days to quote respect
the transmigration of the soul. Then he dismelted. Well that
makes sense. Then that's why it smelled it was decomposing. Yeah,
(21:37):
Then they dismembered the body before burning his organs and
then cook the rest of the remains at the victim's
house with vegetables. The massiotis so it's like, not only
do you come it, but you're gonna stink up my
entire house trying to cook my most Also, it's so
difficult to just cook in someone's kitchen when you've never
used it before. God, I know. Let's not forget the
Christmas cooking disaster twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Someone actually wrote on one of my questions, can you
guys do a video of you and Maria baking or
something like that, And I'm like, yeah, that No, that
always ends in disaster.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Baking for me is like I know I'm bad with this,
but I need it to be in a lone activity.
I don't mind decorating together, but I don't enjoy baking
with other people. I have a very specific method. I
don't like being in other people's kitchens doing it, obviously,
but I were saying the one and a half cup
instead of the one cup. I was sick that week,
(22:33):
so you, okay, get in life. But I don't know.
I can't believe we have multiple stories in the last
couple of months, or I guess the last year with
people cooking their well, we don't forget we did an entire,
high profile death disseection on cannibalism in the gross room
which is cool because we talk about the cultural side
(22:54):
of that why people do it, and then also obviously
people that murder people do it too.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
But before we get started with the next story, I
just want to tell you that I just read on
the news that Brian Coberger's defense is now trying to
postpone the trial because of the Dateline information. Like we
knew that this was going to happen, right.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well, I agree with what you were telling me about
what Joe Scott was saying, that they've potentially ruined this
entire case, Like there's a gag order in place and
it's being taken very seriously. So who is leaking this information?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I just I am wondering, Like, obviously everyone wants to
be the first one to have this scoop, but I
don't know why people aren't respecting the leaked information coming
out because that is only going to hurt the victims'
families at this point, and the last thing on earth
that anyone needs is this guy being allowed in society.
If I mean listen, Like, I think everything that came
(23:55):
out in the Newest date Line episode, we talked about
this a couple episodes back, right, So nobody's like unclear
of I just.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Talked about it, I think last Thursday's.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay, so all of this new information came out about
his Google searches and this and that. Like I do
understand from the defense's perspective, because now after hearing that,
I mean, I've always been like, I didn't even have
to hear anything the guy. I told you, the guy's
guilty in my opinion, just because of the way his
eyes look.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, but like and all the other stuff. But now
when you hear about all that, you're.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Just like, this guy is such a sick fuck, And like,
I don't know how he could get a fair trial
after hearing that, because there's just no way that that
it's just piling on of all of the reasons why
he did this, you know, So I could see why
the defense is kind of pissed about that and why
Dateline wasn't even a thought about that. And so now
(24:48):
like I don't know if it's gonna get granted, but
it could, and well they it's just not cool to
the family, Like they they want this to be over
with so they can move on and mourn in peace
and get on with their life. And this happened back
in two thousand and twenty two, right, Yeah, it's been
a long time and it's still not a trial, and
(25:08):
it was supposed to happen when in August, and now
it might.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Like I don't know, I think about this, and I'm like,
people aren't thinking about this stuff, Like you're saying, everybody's
trying to have the viral video. They're trying to be
the first reported. They're not thinking about how it could
destroy an entire case. And now if this so, I
don't think they're gonna dismiss the entire trial over this,
but no, I just.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Think that they're gonna want to postpone it though, And like, honestly,
if they didn't want this information out because they're trying
to get a jury that's unbiased, Like I could see
not that anybody that is capable of a crime like
this really deserves whatever, but like that's the way that
our systems set up, Like he deserves a fair trial,
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that's how our systems set up so well.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I just talked about this with Lori Vello too, because
the death penalty ended up getting removed from her case
because some of the discovery was not turned over to
her defense team with enough time for them to review it. Yeah,
and that's like as a person that should be put
to death. Yeah, exactly. So I just wanted to say
that real quick.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
We don't need to talk about it much more, and
I'm sure more will come out over the weekend as
it usually does.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So this so this next case.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That we're going to talk about, We've we didn't talk
about this on Mother No's death, as you guys know it,
but we did. We've told them that we did a
podcast for probably a year or more in the Grosser
Room prior to us going public with Mother and his
Death podcast. So we covered a case back then of this,
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and this is something that we've been talking about in
the gross Room.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah. So this Pennsylvania cup has died by suicide after
his parents are now claiming he suffered severe side effects
of after having Lasik eye surgery. He was having headaches,
extreme sensitivity, double vision, He saw dark spots, and he
left them a note that said, quote, I can't take
this anymore. Lasik took everything from me. But Lasik is
denying there's any suicide link to their procedures. There's been
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at least thirty people, if not more, that have killed
themselves shortly after having lasix because of complications they were describing.
They even left suicide notes for their family saying that
they couldn't take it anymore and that's why they killed themselves. Now,
the people who perform lasik obviously are biased because it's
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their livelihood and they make money off of it. So
you have to take that for what it is, and
then you have to think about all the other stuff
that they've told us for the beginning of time that's safe,
that ended up not being safe. Right, So when you
have people like think about that.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Even when the COVID shot that came out and all
of these people were saying that these young guys were
getting all of these complications with their heart and cardiomyritis
and everything like that, like they they were saying, know,
there's no evidence to that. And then it's like, Okay,
when you have enough people complaining about a certain thing,
you have to start taking it seriously. And this happened
with the singular drug too that my children were taken.
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We talked about that a few months ago about about
medications that parents were just like, it's really weird.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
My kids started.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Taking this asthma medication and then all of a sudden
they got crazy and they were going nuts and blah
blah blah. And then you know, they blow it off
for a long time and they say, no, that's not
there's no association and we've never seen that, and then
so many people complain about it, and then they look
into it and then they're like, oh shit, there is
a problem here. So I don't believe anything that these
people say at this point, right do you? I mean,
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how could like a let's say you have this severe
complication like in this case where this guy is having
horrible vision. It's affected his entire life, he can't return
to work, he's young. How is it not going to
affect your mental health? Well, cause they're saying that all
of these people already had a predisposition to either depression
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or they already had mental health issues before they got
this done.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Well that's bullshit, because it's gonna have a life altering
event that could make you want to end your life,
like I believe in this case.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, Like, so this guy is a young cop. Usually
people that are cops are like all in. It's like
not only their job, it's their life. They're like hardcore
cop people, right, they're into the law, they want to
go to work, and he thought before going into this procedure.
So this procedure is done with a laser and it
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cuts a piece of your cornea and it tries to
shape it in such a way so you're able to
see without wearing glasses. So really it's one hundred percent
a cosmetic procedure. It's for people that don't want to
wear contacts anymore and don't want to wear glasses. It's
not necessary, so it's an elective procedure. You go in
to get it done, and he's like, all right, well,
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and you could see as a cop, like you might
want to get this done because you're working long shifts,
you're running a you don't want glasses on your face,
especially if they fall off, you have a problem that
you can't see.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
And then we're encountering for anybody that has to wear glasses. Yeah,
it's for anybody, but I could especially see with this.
So he's like, Okay, well I have to take off
a couple of days, but it'll be worth it. And
it was like his family said that. The same exact
day it started, he started having debilitating headaches, sensitivity, pain, floaters,
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dark spots, double vision, pain in his head's so bad
that he was unable to focus that he was not
able to go back to work. Now, anybody that's ever
had like migraines, especially headaches, any kind of eye issue,
you know that this like ruins your life. It's terrible,
like you can't and the saving grace with a migraine
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is like eventually you're going to take medication and it's
going to go away. But imagine having that feeling all
the time. You could see why people would want to
end their life because it's no quality of life. And
it's not like you could just go and get your
eyes taken out because the pain would go away against
but then you would be blind, and who the hell
is going to do that? So this guy kills himself.
(31:11):
We had so there was a.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Case back in twenty and eighteen which first put this
on my radar because as you guys know, I've been
on Instagram since two thousand and twelve or I guess
twenty twelve, and you know, I always do these questions
on my Instagram and people will always ask me like
would you consider getting lasik?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And then all of so, I you know, and I
was always just kind of.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Like, no, I would I would never personally do that
because my eyes are wait, they're just so important to me.
I would never consider messing with them like that. And
then so then right around that time, back in twenty
and eighteen, all of these people were sending me this
case of this woman who was she was a weather
person at a like a local Fox station, and she
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was a mother of two and everything, and she killed
herself after having this procedure done because she was having
chronic dry eyes blurred vision, and just like it ruined
her life.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And the same thing.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Her family was just like no, like she changed after that,
and they just don't want to say that there's any relationship.
And so back in twenty twenty, a medical paper did
a look at this, looking at all journal articles that
had been written that had anything to do with people
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having complications including suicide or attempted suicide, even psychosis, depression,
suicidal ideation, and they found that while ninety six percent
of patients said they were satisfied, which is a number
they throw around on all these sites, which you're just like,
I don't really know where they get that, because they
always don't report all of the bad things, So you
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could take that with a grain salt or whatever. But
they looked and found that there were six people in
when they were just searching through databases that became that
had psychosis and ended up killing themselves. And it was
a result of after having that surgery. So it's it's
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kind of like this is happening. I'm sorry to tell you.
They might want to say that it's not. Obviously, we
can ask people who are listening right now, because I'm
sure someone listening has had it done and they think
that it's totally fine and they don't have any problems.
But we covered I don't know if you remember, we
covered a story on Mother Knows Death back in July
(33:39):
of twenty twenty three, and this was an article of
a woman who got LA six on her wedding before
you know, for her wedding, and she went viral on
TikTok as well, saying that she was living in hell
and chronic pain, and she said she felt like she
had shards of glass piercing her eyeballs and like like
pins and needles feeling, and all of these people underneath
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the post were writing similar things, like I've had chronic
dry eye for five years, and I always get eye
infections because my eyes are so.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Dry, and just I've dealt with dry eye.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I was having like a really bad problem with it
a year ago and they gave me drops, which I
feel like actually made it worse. But it was kind
of it's kind of torturous. It's just always on your mind,
and that's not even a pain thing. So you're saying
you've found.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Formal medical research that confirms that there is a link,
it's not. The thing is is that there's formal medical
research that has found other papers of people who have
died saying that there were cause of death was due
to the LASiS. But they're saying, like, obviously, when you're
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saying it's caused, if you want to say it's caused
by the LASiS, then what medical thing either macroscopically or
microscopically is happening when the core is cut and in
only certain people, not all people. They don't have that answer.
So that's why they're able to say there's no there's
(35:11):
no link, even though there there's no clinical evidence linking.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, they don't have it like scientific link saying this
is caused by this Okay, exposure to uv L, like
we know, changes cells and causes changes in DNA and
causes cancer. They don't have those things. So that's why
they say that there's no link because they don't know yet.
But you just can't ignore that multiple people, like any person,
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let's just say, for what, don't you think they're just
words smithing it too. So they're saying, quote, there's no
clinical evidence linking suicide to Lasik eye surgery. But it's
really like there are suicides connected to complications from Lasik messurgery.
It's it's one hundred percent a talking point too. I mean,
you just listen, like this guy. Let's pretend this guy
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didn't even have LA six. He got in a car
accident and wasn't able to go back to work and
had chronic pain itself. He might kill himself too. That
doesn't mean that he has some kind of underlying depression.
It means that there was a traumatic event that caused
him to want to ruin.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
That's the event. You can't just assume that people have
previous mental conditions because they've ended up doing it, and
that this event could lead them to have new mental
condition that leads them to the decision. It's ridiculous to
even say that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So and like listen, I would argue that if you
add chronic leg pain, it's not in the same category
as the eye situation. No, just because of the weight
that it carries. Like, ultimately, if you have chronic leg pain,
that bad. Not that this is ideal, and this is
certainly a pain in the ass, but you could get
your leg amputated and get a prosthetic, not to say
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that that's easy at all, And it's not a competent.
It's not the same as your it's just not the
same as your eyes. So like the and you're exactly
right with the wording of it, because when you actually
get the procedure done, most people say that it doesn't hurt.
There's not people that are like screaming in pain getting
it done. But it's the complications caused by the procedure
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that are causing people to go nuts in some cases.
And that just has to be recognized. And and there's
physicians that are trying to get this technology off the
market because they think it's that bad. I honestly believe
I have to talk to doctor Drew because I feel
like he had some kind of issue with something like this.
I was gonna send him this story and ask him.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But there's them on to talk.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I know, right, I was, That's what I was thinking,
because I don't remember exactly what happened, and he might
have gotten it done for something else. But I know
he had complications from some eye thing and he's been
very outspoken about it. But I haven't heard him talking
about it a while, so I wasn't one hundred percent sure.
But yeah, like there's people talking about it that are
(38:01):
just like, nah, this is you're not giving everyone the
full extent and just telling people even like when they
signed the paper, Okay, you might have floaters and you
might have this like that shit would drive you freaking
nuts double vision, and.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Like, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, I agree with
you one hundred percent. It's not like you have chronic
leg pain or chronic pain in your abdomen or something
like this, like this is your vision. You need your vision.
And obviously there's people that are blind and live really successful,
good lives. But if you're not used to this and
it's brand new to you, it's a new trauma, and
of course it's going to mess with your brain all right.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Our final story is like one of these I can't
believe something like this happened again in modern times. A
case of mistaken identity, just terrible case.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah. So this woman got a call that her son
was in the ICU at a local hospital. Well not
even a local hospital, it was like four hours away
from them. The family rushed there, sat by his side
until he died, started planning his funeral, and then the
day he was set to be cremated, she ended up
getting a text from a random phone number that claimed
to be her son asking for money, and it did
turn out it was him. Yeah, so she could She
(39:11):
got this this text and was just like, Okay, this
is a sick joke or something, which like who would
I mean, I guess people play sick jokes. But she
kind of blew it off.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And then she got another text from that phone number
and called it back and she said that the guy
that answered the phone sounded like her son. She was
able to get a hold and meet up with the
guy and sure enough, it was her son. So she
went through an entire three days thinking her kid was dead.
Now from they they don't one hundred percent get.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Into what's going on.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
With the son, but apparently she hasn't seen him in
person for a couple of years. He seems like he's
been like on drugs and overdosing, and any parent I
personally don't have, well, not in my own family story,
but I used to work with a woman who had
a daughter who was on heroin and and it was
terrible for her, Like every single time she got a
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phone call, she thought she was going to get a
phone call that her daughter was dead, until finally, one
day it happened.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
It's a terrible way to live as a parent. And
this mom finally got the call that her son was dying.
He ended up dying in the hospital, and for three
whole days she thought her son was dead and funeral, this, that,
and the other, and then found out that he was alive,
which is great because now he thinks this whole thing
(40:33):
is like a new lease on life, and I really
hope it works out for their family. But still, like,
now you got to go back and be like, how
the hell did this happen? Well, it's really crazy because
a listener sent this in and said her brother went
to school with this guy, and there was this memorial
all set and then it got canceled suddenly, and then
this story comes out. So imagine like thinking you're going
to the funeral of somebody you went to school with
(40:55):
and then this crazy story comes out. But I guess
that the son had overdosed previously and gone to this hospital.
And then when this other victim came to the hospital,
a nurse thought she recognized him as this woman's son,
and they got in contact with him and said, you know,
your son's not in great condition, you should get here.
So when the family got to the hospital, they said
(41:17):
the features were so similar, but of course this guy's
in the ICU, he's hooked up to a ventilator, he
has bed sheets on. But they said all these family
members came in the hospital and that one of them
doubted it was him, which is quite twenty twenty five,
Like what do you mean? And nurse was like, hey,
he's been here before. Let's just find his parents and
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call them. Like that that's not procedure even a little bit,
do you know, like like, do you know the answer
to this if if a stranger comes in with no
identification or anything, like, how do they find the family?
I'm not really sure exactly what they do, but it
could be the same could be said about what happens
when there's an unidentified body that comes into the morgue.
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Like the first thing that you're gonna do is fingerprints
and try to figure out who the person is. I
mean eventually, eventually you could do dental records, DNA and
all that kind of stuff. But this, this listen, Like
this happens not.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I wouldn't say it's like an everyday thing, but people
come into hospital unidentified all the time, and you just
don't like look at someone and be like, hey, I
think I think I know his parents.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Let me call, Like that's the most outrageous thing I
ever saw. And she said that the guy like, I mean,
think about this, like you have a person. If you
ever see a person in the ICU, it's like they're intubated.
They got tubes coming out of them everywhere. Apparently this
guy was like wrapped up in sheets. She couldn't see
his arms, and he had a unique birthmark on his
leg and tattoos. But she said when she came in,
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like nobody even asked her to identify him. And she
and this is the thing as a patient when you
get called and told that your kid is either dead
or almost dead.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
The last thing that you're thinking about is like that
that somebody has screwed this up. Your mind is in
a completely different place. You walk in, you're told this information,
and you're looking at this guy laying in the bed
that's swollen, wrapped up tubes everywhere, and you see that
they had the same hair.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, and also if they hadn't seen him in four
years and he was a drug addict, I mean his
appearance could change dramatically in that time. Yeah, I mean
I think people aren't there, like and.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
She yeah, and like I feel bad because the mom's
like I want to blame myself for not asking, and
I'm just like, no, no, no, this is absolutely has
nothing to do with you. It's it's just like and like,
obviously we're going to think about the case that we
covered back in two thousand and what was that from
two thousand and six or two no, two thousand and six, Yeah,
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when this happened in America. We talked about this a
couple of times on the show, but that there was
this really there were these students that were in a
van and there was this really horrible accident and the
one got one of the friends. The other one was
still alive in the hospital and their identities were also switched.
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So there was a family that was taking care of
a girl or a young woman for five whole weeks
before they realized that their daughter was the one that
indeed died and was already buried in the ground. And
then there was another family that found out that their
daughter that was buried in the ground was actually alive
in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Still, it's just absolutely crazy, and then you know, you
get to the question of like, well, who is this person? Then,
so the mother had who she believed was her son's
hand prints taken at the funeral home because she was
going to keep them as some memento, and then the
police had to end up using those prints to identify
who the guy was. And she said she hasn't heard
(44:43):
from the family still, but they were able to get
his belongings to them. And then this is the craziest
part too, is that she thought it was her son.
So they honored his wishes of being an organ downer
and said that this person was able to save three
lives with two kidneys and a liver. So and this
is what I think is and I don't know like,
what is a traditional thing to do in Canada. I've
(45:06):
never heard of family member asking for hamdprints of a person.
It's so random to me. Maybe that's something I never
heard of that happening around here anyway, So it might
be like a family like you don't know, it might
be like, I know, sometimes people take a look of
someone's hair or something like that. I don't know. It's
just so random to me.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
And it's awesome that it happened because they were able
to find the other person because the other person was cremated.
What the hell were they going to do to find
who it was?
Speaker 1 (45:36):
You know?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
So I mean that that all worked out well, and
that's just a twist of fake because otherwise they would
have not known who it was.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
And imagine the parents. I mean, everyone's got parents and
family and stuff, like, imagine how they feel. It's a
horrible story all around. It's totally unacceptable. Clearly the hospital
did not take the proper protocols in identifying this person.
And it's ridiculous to even hear that these stories happen. No,
it really is. And they're kind of just like blowing
it off to just by saying like, oh, well, we
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had some training with the nurses, and they had some meetings,
and you know, they should have already been trained on
how to deal with this. I mean, yeah, I just
I don't even know what to say. I'm speechless about it.
All right, Well, thank you guys so much. We hope
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Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.
Welcome to Mother Knows Death.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
On today's episode, we're going to be talking about a
couple who both experienced arm amputations during a recent tornado.
An update on a story we brought you a couple
of weeks ago about a Pittsburgh Pirates fan who fell
out of the stands onto the field. A couple stories
involving people cooking their victims' bodies. Yes, notice I said
(00:43):
a couple stories because it happened more than once recently,
Believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
A cop who killed.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Himself after having complications from Lasik eye surgery, and I
have a lot of thoughts on that, and another horrendous
case of mistaken identity. All that and more on today's episode. First,
let's talk about a celebrity that died this week.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, so George Went. He's an actor most famously known
for being on Cheers. He has died at age seventy six.
Why are all of the articles are talking about this
guy who's his nephew that I didn't even know that
Jason sideikis. I didn't realize that was his uncle either,
but I don't, like, I don't understand when you're this
(01:26):
guy was on one of the most famous sitcoms of
all times, So why is it even important to mention
that he's related to Jason Sada?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Now it's annoying. It's like, that's what annoys me most
about this. I'm just like, dude, Cheers was like.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The biggest show ever.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I guess maybe for younger people that I don't know.
I just think that it's ridiculous. And then the way
the article's written, it's like he's survived by multiple family members,
including Jason Sideikas, who is the kid of like his
sixth sister I don't even know, and then scrolled down
five more paragraphs and then it's like, yeah, he was
(02:03):
married and he had been since the seventies, like to
to the same one exactly, like and I'm just like, oh,
that's that's cool. The kids don't feel like shit about
that at all, Like Banks.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I mean, it was really bizarre because it was
every single article you opened and I didn't even know
they were related. And I don't think it matters necessarily
that they are, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But I mean, he they said he died of in
a sleep of old age or you know, natural causes. Weever,
so Inside Edition was saying that he was suffering from
kidney issues and he was having difficulty walking recently. He
was wheel chair bound as of January, so you can
assume it's something related to that.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, I mean, he's seventy six. I don't know like that.
It's kind of young. But I always say my threshold
is like seventy, because if you live past seventy, then
I think that you did pretty good. But I mean,
obviously living longer is better, but seventy is a good age.
Just you know, when I see all of the natural
(03:05):
deaths that happened in the hospital and stuff, and I
was doing so many autopsies on people that were like
fifty six, and that's just that's young, you know. But
seventy's kind of like, all right, you made it, So
anything after that is like nice. Well. I think I've
said this on here before, but my friend Alicia used
to work at a nursing home and every time I'm like, oh, well,
the person was like seventy six, Like in this case,
She's like, that is so young. You have no idea
(03:26):
how long people live in the nursing homes, and I'm like,
all right, well, if you put it in that perspective, yeah,
I guess it is pretty young.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, And I mean and if you look at Norm
two just not like I don't know anything about his
medical history, but he has been obese his entire life.
I don't ever remember seeing him on TV being an
average sized build. So's there's complications that come with that too.
So living to be seventy six not in the greatest
health year old life is you know what I mean, Like,
(03:57):
maybe it's good.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
He's a pretty big advocate for beer too. So he
had been quoted said, well you called him Norm, which
was his character on Cheers, but because that's who he is.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And he's also like I don't remember what his character was,
but he was doing you know, he was part of
the whole dub Bears on Saturday Night Live, which I
guess if people like I'm a huge person, that was
Saturday Night Live back in I mean the eighties and
the nineties, even the seventies. I used to watch there
runs like now it completely sucks, but back then it
was awesome, and that was like the best time with
(04:30):
like Chris Farley and stuff. So that's that's always what
I think of.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, but he said his character on Cheers is very
close to his real life persona, and as we see
in the show, he's chugging beers. I believe he was
in a couple of beer commercials in the eighties and nineties.
So if he was drinking a lot, he was heavy
his whole life. He probably has lifelong you know, health issues,
just sending from that, Like you said, and well, the
Beers and Cheers were fake, well they were fake. But
(04:55):
if he was drinking like how he was in real life,
how he was drinking the beers on the show, then
you assume he's drinking a lot. But let's also not
forget Cheers fun off one of my favorite shows ever, Frasier,
which everybody thinks is so boring. I know it's clever.
It's clever. I like it.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean Cheers is I look, Cheers was like my childhood,
like the song and everything.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
It's just so good. All right, let's move into my
worst nightmare ever. So and e F four tornado ripped
through parts of Kentucky this week, and during the storm,
this couple who had been married for twenty nine years.
This is so sad me. I'm like. They were married
for twenty nine years and they were holding onto each
other during the storm, and as part of the impact,
they each lost an arm. Yeah, they lost opposite arms
(05:40):
because they were holding each other so tight. How outrageous
is that? And one of the neighbors heard the wife
screaming and went in the what I won't even say
the house what remains of the house, and saw her
arm laying in the hallway. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Luckily they were able to put a tourniquet around her
arm and save her life. They both ended up surviving
this because depending on where your arm is amputated, you
can die from that because you're severing the artery and
you could bleed out now if you are if your
hand gets cut off, it would take a longer time
for you to bleed to death.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
But if your arm.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Gets ripped off, especially very high up like near your armpit,
the closer it is to your heart, the more of
a chance you have of losing your life because of it.
And obviously you wouldn't bleed to death as fast as
if you got your carotid artery and your necks evert
or something like that. But it could you could really
bleed out fast. So if you're ever in a situation
(06:39):
where someone's limb gets amputated, the best thing is to
tie it off if you can put anything around it
at the top, like a belt. I don't know what
they said that they used in this case. You could
use anything that you could wrap and tie around somebody's
limb like that. But I was looking this up just
to see how fast the winds are, because then the
(07:02):
EF scale goes from zero to five, so four is
like up there, and the winds are one hundred and
sixty six to two hundred miles an hour, which is outrageous, right,
So they say that well built homes are reduced to
a pile of medium sized debris on the foundation, which
is essentially what their house looks like at when you
look at pictures of it. Homes that aren't anchored to
(07:24):
the ground are completely swept away. Large heavy vehicles, including
this is so frightening. Airplanes, trains, and large trucks can
be pushed over, flipped repeatedly, or.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Picked up and thrown in the air.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, large healthy trees are entirely debarked and snapped off
close to the ground or uprooted all together and turn
into flying projectiles, and then the same thing with cars.
They could be flung considerable distances. So it's not surprising
that a wind of this strength was if it could
pick up a frickin airplane, it's definitely able to rip
someone's arm off of their body.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Well, yeah, and this storm is particularly bad so far.
We know that nineteen people died in it. And I
was also looking up the statistics of these storms. So
the EAH fours are considered to be pretty rare, with
three per year on average, but there's already been five
this year so far, so that's really scary to think about.
I'm pretty sure Saint Louis last week just got hit
(08:19):
with a really bad one that wiped out like half
of a town. Yeah, they did.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And I think there's something I don't know because I
really didn't read into it that much. I just came
across a video on social media that was saying something
about an alarm not going off that should have went
off or something.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't know. I'll look more into that, but yeah, like,
tornadoes are terrifying, and now with social media, it's like
you can I just see so many videos of them
and you're looking thinking, oh my god, if I was
just driving up with the street and saw this, like
what would you do? And I guess people like live
around there are used to that, but for us it's terrifying.
(08:57):
Well yeah, because I well, I saw a video of it,
but I thought it was, you know, like an older video.
I didn't realize it just happened. And I didn't realize
it actually happened until I saw the Saint Louis Blues
post about the devastation from it. And you know, I
think a lot of people that live in these areas,
like you're saying, are you to it? Like my best
friends from Wisconsin, and he was like, if we just
(09:19):
if we got the warning, we'd just keep beating dinner
like nothing happened while one was just blowing through the
backyard like you just get so used to it. And
then I had sent you a video because everybody makes
fun of me because I hide in the closet in
my basement, but I had sent you this video of
this girl that was like renovating or tornado shelter in
her backyard and it's like I should do that with
(09:40):
the closet. But I guess a lot of people probably
put a TV in there in like a mini fridge. No,
I'm very but like a mini fridge, an ice beanbag,
like a probably a cute little fuzzy area rug, and
a little emergency radio in some necks. But no, I
think a lot of people in these areas have shelters
or places they could easily go. Not that it makes
it any less horrific, because you could still lose your
(10:00):
whole house, but at least you have shelter to be safe,
and you know.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, so it's it's I just can't I can't imagine
living there like that. I mean, but whatever, like you said,
I think a lot of it is because we don't
live around there. Maybe it's just overly dramatized. I mean, obviously,
like this particular story, it is terrible, but I don't
really know how often it happens. How you don't have
(10:26):
a warning like that in certain areas, because this seems
like an area that gets hit usually there's there's just
lots of different factors to consider, but this story is
just so unusual because of the their limbs getting ripped
off like that.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, it's sad too to think they were like holding
onto each other it's just a horrific story. You just
don't want to hear it all around. Now, Okay, So
we talked about this Pirates fan who fell from the
stance a couple of weeks ago, and now there are
some charges for the person who provided him with the
alcohol because he was under age and shouldn't have been
drinking in the first place. Does this just like all
(11:04):
make sense? Now? Well, we do, remember we should we
knew he was drunk, but remember when we saw the
video and it just was like he was so drunk
that he was acting completely out of control and looked
like he appeared to fall or jump over when he
was celebrating. And now that you find out that the
guy's twenty and was getting alcohol from someone at the
(11:27):
stadium that was buying it for him, You're like, oh,
that makes sense, Like maybe the guy hasn't drank that
much in his life and doesn't know how to handle
it and had too many and was just overly drunk,
you know what I mean, Like it just makes a
little bit more sense now to me. I get that,
But I still like they're still saying in this article
(11:48):
that it was an accident, right, and like, really, I've
looked at this video one hundred times slowed down, and
it still looks like he intentionally launched himself over the edge.
It's possible, but like people do dumb shit when they're drunk,
So it's like like he might not have really realized
what was happening. And listen, like he's twenty. I doubt
(12:09):
this is the first time that he drank. But no,
not at all, but like we don't know that, okay,
And they said, this is what's really cool. They did
an investigation at the stadium and they found all this
surveillance video of the guy he was with buying these
two beers that he gave to him. Now, when we
say two beers, though they're twenty four ounce can so
(12:30):
I would say that he had four beers right now.
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
How fast he drank them close together. We don't know
how used to alcohol he is. We don't know if
he ate, we don't know any We don't know how
much he weighs, although he looked like he was in
normal weight, but even a standard beer twelve ounces, just
three beers can cause most people of normal weight will
cause most people to be legally impaired. Witches above zero
(12:58):
point zero eight percent blood alcohol volumes.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So if most.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
People have three beers, and people might be laughing at
me right now saying that, but like legally you would
be considered impaired. So having four and then maybe being
a person that was not used to it, you could
see why. And we don't even know if he drank
anything before he got there. Well yeah, because that's I mean,
I don't even know what inning it happened, you know
(13:24):
what I mean, like.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
The seventh inning. So but if he pounded them fast,
I mean and didn't really eat much, but did they
have tabs on him on the video the entire game
or yeah, just that that's all they found was two,
because he could have had more. He could have been
taking SIPs of other people's drinks the whole well they.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Found they found the guy buying them and then handing
them to him and him holding it like they they
which is it's kind of crazy that you're able to
they're able to track you like that. But I mean,
once something like that happened, of course they want to
figure it out, especially when they found out that the
guy was twenty, because the Pittsburgh Pirates don't want it.
I mean could you could you imagine if somebody that
(14:03):
worked there served them the beer And I don't know how.
I honestly don't know how you avoid that because they do.
I think that they're pretty good about asking for ID
at the at the stadium. But then like you're handing
it to a person that's giving you ID, like you
can't be responsible for who they're handing it to.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, yeah, exactly. This is also reminding me of that
guy that went to a Dodgers game and he ended
up getting accused of murder and they were like, he
was like, well I was at a Dodgers game when
you're saying this person died, right, or maybe it was
a robbery. Anyway, he got charged with some crime and
he was the police were like, well, where's your ticket whatever,
(14:40):
and he couldn't find it and he was like, well, wait,
they were filming a TV show in my section while
I was there and it was a curve your enthusiasm
And they found the clip and ended up exonerating him
with that. Oh wow, So that's crazy. Yeah, it really is,
because he I don't know exactly what happened with the ticket.
It was like before it was so crazy and digital
I think he he had a paper one at the
(15:00):
time and he was like, I don't have it, and
there was no proof he was there. But then they
got in contact with the HBO and they went through
the footage and they did indeed find him in the background,
timestamped at the exact time the crime happened. Wow, that's cool. Yeah,
so pretty crazy. But I agree with you, Like how
do you luck out like that? I don't know, because
that it was such a weird thing. There's a whole
(15:22):
documentary about it, and Larry David's like in it laughing
about how for days. But yeah, I mean the guy
got messed up. He had a broken neck, clavicle and back.
They're saying he just took his first steps recently since
the fall, so he's messed up. Well, and listen, like
when you're twenty years old, like you made the decision
to drink it as well, you're definitely like a legal
(15:45):
adult making this decision to do this. But at the
same time, like the laws are the laws, and like
you wouldn't have had it if somebody didn't give it
to you.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
So yeah, I actually, you know, I think about this
because when we che's, when we were kids like adults
always bought alcohol for us. Yeah, I sit there and think, like,
I mean, it was to the point where we would
be like I mean, I didn't really drink, but the
people that I would hang around.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
With would you can go up.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You would go like some of my guy friends especially,
would go to a liquor store and just like hang
out there and wait for people to walk out and
then like ask them and bribe them and give them
money to go in and get them beer. Like it's
so insane that people would do that, and you're just
taking on a huge responsibility doing that, And now that
(16:33):
guy's going to get in a bunch of trouble for what.
Like I just don't understand serving miners alcohol, Like what,
I just think it's the dumbest thing ever.
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Speaker 1 (17:55):
Now.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So, yeah, like I said early, we just have a
couple stories of people who are just deciding to cook
their victims, which is really a new disturbing like trend.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I guess I don't know. This one's extra weird because
this lady caught her husband watching porn and then investigators
are saying they just thought she was in a rage
and jealous, but she ended up killing him, but then
ended up taking it another step further cut his penis
off and then decided to cook it in a stew
and then decided to eat it.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Like they found this body with no penis, So of
course they start investigating. I mean, they're gonna investigate it anyway.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
But the worst part of.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
The story is is that they're like, it's not clear
if she was the only one that ate it, or
if she fed it to people it was in a
bean stew. Didn't we talk about this last year at
crime con where this woman cooked her like grandmother's ashes
and the spaghetti dish and served it to her.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Family and didn't tell them.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It's what Uh, it makes me scared to like eat,
just to eat anything from other people, because you know
what I mean, like or interview these people. You should
see the picture they used with this article, like a
stock photo, but it looks like a bean stew that
has these like like cut pieces of sausage in it,
(19:19):
and you're looking at it and you're it's like a
stock photo, so it's really sausage, but you're looking at
it and you're just like, oh my god, like is
this what this person did?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like how you just you might not even know. You
might be like, what does this meat taste like? It's different?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Obviously it's not like it's not skeletal muscle, so it's
going to have a different texture.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't I don't even know what you would like.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And it too for an animal because nobody well, I
guess in some countries they eat that kind of stuff,
but they don't serve penis here, so I've never had it.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
It's really disgusting, and it's like, it's even more disturbing
because it's not the only case in Brazil recently where
somebody did this. There was another case you were talking
about in the article where somebody had cut off a
guy's penis and his heart and also ate that. And
then we have this guy in France that admitted to
killing his neighbor and then he ended up dismembering him
(20:13):
and cooking his remains in a pot of vegetables. To
quote mask the Odor. The craziest part of this particular
story is that the case in France anyway, I guess
there's three people that are suspected of killing this guy.
One of the guys is a butcher, and then one
of them is a grave digger. Like, what kind of
(20:35):
friendships do these people have that you know there?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And they're just like, yeah, they cooked this guy and
then they burned his body and they scattered it around
their property.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And they used.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
They cooked his limbs to get rid of the smell.
To mask the smell, I'm not like, so what did
they let him decompose a little bit and then do
it Because if you cooked, I mean, in theory, I'm
not thinking about doing this, but if you had raw
body parts, it would be the same as like a
pork roast or something, right, or pork shoulder, just putting
(21:08):
it in and cooking it. Like, if it's not decomposed,
it shouldn't smell really much different than any other kind
of meat you're cooking.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So this is what happened. They're saying that it was
like this burglary gone wrong and the guy ended up
The killer is claiming that the guy ended up suffocating.
And then he said they took the body back to
the victim's house and waited three days to quote respect
the transmigration of the soul. Then he dismelted. Well that
makes sense. Then that's why it smelled it was decomposing. Yeah,
(21:37):
Then they dismembered the body before burning his organs and
then cook the rest of the remains at the victim's
house with vegetables. The massiotis so it's like, not only
do you come it, but you're gonna stink up my
entire house trying to cook my most Also, it's so
difficult to just cook in someone's kitchen when you've never
used it before. God, I know. Let's not forget the
Christmas cooking disaster twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Someone actually wrote on one of my questions, can you
guys do a video of you and Maria baking or
something like that, And I'm like, yeah, that No, that
always ends in disaster.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Baking for me is like I know I'm bad with this,
but I need it to be in a lone activity.
I don't mind decorating together, but I don't enjoy baking
with other people. I have a very specific method. I
don't like being in other people's kitchens doing it, obviously,
but I were saying the one and a half cup
instead of the one cup. I was sick that week,
(22:33):
so you, okay, get in life. But I don't know.
I can't believe we have multiple stories in the last
couple of months, or I guess the last year with
people cooking their well, we don't forget we did an entire,
high profile death disseection on cannibalism in the gross room
which is cool because we talk about the cultural side
(22:54):
of that why people do it, and then also obviously
people that murder people do it too.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
But before we get started with the next story, I
just want to tell you that I just read on
the news that Brian Coberger's defense is now trying to
postpone the trial because of the Dateline information. Like we
knew that this was going to happen, right.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Well, I agree with what you were telling me about
what Joe Scott was saying, that they've potentially ruined this
entire case, Like there's a gag order in place and
it's being taken very seriously. So who is leaking this information?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I just I am wondering, Like, obviously everyone wants to
be the first one to have this scoop, but I
don't know why people aren't respecting the leaked information coming
out because that is only going to hurt the victims'
families at this point, and the last thing on earth
that anyone needs is this guy being allowed in society.
If I mean listen, Like, I think everything that came
(23:55):
out in the Newest date Line episode, we talked about
this a couple episodes back, right, So nobody's like unclear
of I just.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Talked about it, I think last Thursday's.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay, so all of this new information came out about
his Google searches and this and that. Like I do
understand from the defense's perspective, because now after hearing that,
I mean, I've always been like, I didn't even have
to hear anything the guy. I told you, the guy's
guilty in my opinion, just because of the way his
eyes look.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, but like and all the other stuff. But now
when you hear about all that, you're.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Just like, this guy is such a sick fuck, And like,
I don't know how he could get a fair trial
after hearing that, because there's just no way that that
it's just piling on of all of the reasons why
he did this, you know, So I could see why
the defense is kind of pissed about that and why
Dateline wasn't even a thought about that. And so now
(24:48):
like I don't know if it's gonna get granted, but
it could, and well they it's just not cool to
the family, Like they they want this to be over
with so they can move on and mourn in peace
and get on with their life. And this happened back
in two thousand and twenty two, right, Yeah, it's been
a long time and it's still not a trial, and
(25:08):
it was supposed to happen when in August, and now
it might.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Like I don't know, I think about this, and I'm like,
people aren't thinking about this stuff, Like you're saying, everybody's
trying to have the viral video. They're trying to be
the first reported. They're not thinking about how it could
destroy an entire case. And now if this so, I
don't think they're gonna dismiss the entire trial over this,
but no, I just.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Think that they're gonna want to postpone it though, And like, honestly,
if they didn't want this information out because they're trying
to get a jury that's unbiased, Like I could see
not that anybody that is capable of a crime like
this really deserves whatever, but like that's the way that
our systems set up, Like he deserves a fair trial,
(25:52):
that's how our systems set up so well.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I just talked about this with Lori Vello too, because
the death penalty ended up getting removed from her case
because some of the discovery was not turned over to
her defense team with enough time for them to review it. Yeah,
and that's like as a person that should be put
to death. Yeah, exactly. So I just wanted to say
that real quick.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
We don't need to talk about it much more, and
I'm sure more will come out over the weekend as
it usually does.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So this so this next case.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That we're going to talk about, We've we didn't talk
about this on Mother No's death, as you guys know it,
but we did. We've told them that we did a
podcast for probably a year or more in the Grosser
Room prior to us going public with Mother and his
Death podcast. So we covered a case back then of this,
(26:43):
and this is something that we've been talking about in
the gross Room.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah. So this Pennsylvania cup has died by suicide after
his parents are now claiming he suffered severe side effects
of after having Lasik eye surgery. He was having headaches,
extreme sensitivity, double vision, He saw dark spots, and he
left them a note that said, quote, I can't take
this anymore. Lasik took everything from me. But Lasik is
denying there's any suicide link to their procedures. There's been
(27:10):
at least thirty people, if not more, that have killed
themselves shortly after having lasix because of complications they were describing.
They even left suicide notes for their family saying that
they couldn't take it anymore and that's why they killed themselves. Now,
the people who perform lasik obviously are biased because it's
(27:35):
their livelihood and they make money off of it. So
you have to take that for what it is, and
then you have to think about all the other stuff
that they've told us for the beginning of time that's safe,
that ended up not being safe. Right, So when you
have people like think about that.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Even when the COVID shot that came out and all
of these people were saying that these young guys were
getting all of these complications with their heart and cardiomyritis
and everything like that, like they they were saying, know,
there's no evidence to that. And then it's like, Okay,
when you have enough people complaining about a certain thing,
you have to start taking it seriously. And this happened
with the singular drug too that my children were taken.
(28:11):
We talked about that a few months ago about about
medications that parents were just like, it's really weird.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
My kids started.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Taking this asthma medication and then all of a sudden
they got crazy and they were going nuts and blah
blah blah. And then you know, they blow it off
for a long time and they say, no, that's not
there's no association and we've never seen that, and then
so many people complain about it, and then they look
into it and then they're like, oh shit, there is
a problem here. So I don't believe anything that these
people say at this point, right do you? I mean,
(28:40):
how could like a let's say you have this severe
complication like in this case where this guy is having
horrible vision. It's affected his entire life, he can't return
to work, he's young. How is it not going to
affect your mental health? Well, cause they're saying that all
of these people already had a predisposition to either depression
(29:00):
or they already had mental health issues before they got
this done.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Well that's bullshit, because it's gonna have a life altering
event that could make you want to end your life,
like I believe in this case.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, Like, so this guy is a young cop. Usually
people that are cops are like all in. It's like
not only their job, it's their life. They're like hardcore
cop people, right, they're into the law, they want to
go to work, and he thought before going into this procedure.
So this procedure is done with a laser and it
(29:33):
cuts a piece of your cornea and it tries to
shape it in such a way so you're able to
see without wearing glasses. So really it's one hundred percent
a cosmetic procedure. It's for people that don't want to
wear contacts anymore and don't want to wear glasses. It's
not necessary, so it's an elective procedure. You go in
to get it done, and he's like, all right, well,
(29:55):
and you could see as a cop, like you might
want to get this done because you're working long shifts,
you're running a you don't want glasses on your face,
especially if they fall off, you have a problem that
you can't see.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
And then we're encountering for anybody that has to wear glasses. Yeah,
it's for anybody, but I could especially see with this.
So he's like, Okay, well I have to take off
a couple of days, but it'll be worth it. And
it was like his family said that. The same exact
day it started, he started having debilitating headaches, sensitivity, pain, floaters,
(30:28):
dark spots, double vision, pain in his head's so bad
that he was unable to focus that he was not
able to go back to work. Now, anybody that's ever
had like migraines, especially headaches, any kind of eye issue,
you know that this like ruins your life. It's terrible,
like you can't and the saving grace with a migraine
(30:49):
is like eventually you're going to take medication and it's
going to go away. But imagine having that feeling all
the time. You could see why people would want to
end their life because it's no quality of life. And
it's not like you could just go and get your
eyes taken out because the pain would go away against
but then you would be blind, and who the hell
is going to do that? So this guy kills himself.
(31:11):
We had so there was a.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Case back in twenty and eighteen which first put this
on my radar because as you guys know, I've been
on Instagram since two thousand and twelve or I guess
twenty twelve, and you know, I always do these questions
on my Instagram and people will always ask me like
would you consider getting lasik?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
And then all of so, I you know, and I
was always just kind of.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Like, no, I would I would never personally do that
because my eyes are wait, they're just so important to me.
I would never consider messing with them like that. And
then so then right around that time, back in twenty
and eighteen, all of these people were sending me this
case of this woman who was she was a weather
person at a like a local Fox station, and she
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was a mother of two and everything, and she killed
herself after having this procedure done because she was having
chronic dry eyes blurred vision, and just like it ruined
her life.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And the same thing.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Her family was just like no, like she changed after that,
and they just don't want to say that there's any relationship.
And so back in twenty twenty, a medical paper did
a look at this, looking at all journal articles that
had been written that had anything to do with people
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having complications including suicide or attempted suicide, even psychosis, depression,
suicidal ideation, and they found that while ninety six percent
of patients said they were satisfied, which is a number
they throw around on all these sites, which you're just like,
I don't really know where they get that, because they
always don't report all of the bad things, So you
(32:56):
could take that with a grain salt or whatever. But
they looked and found that there were six people in
when they were just searching through databases that became that
had psychosis and ended up killing themselves. And it was
a result of after having that surgery. So it's it's
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kind of like this is happening. I'm sorry to tell you.
They might want to say that it's not. Obviously, we
can ask people who are listening right now, because I'm
sure someone listening has had it done and they think
that it's totally fine and they don't have any problems.
But we covered I don't know if you remember, we
covered a story on Mother Knows Death back in July
(33:39):
of twenty twenty three, and this was an article of
a woman who got LA six on her wedding before
you know, for her wedding, and she went viral on
TikTok as well, saying that she was living in hell
and chronic pain, and she said she felt like she
had shards of glass piercing her eyeballs and like like
pins and needles feeling, and all of these people underneath
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the post were writing similar things, like I've had chronic
dry eye for five years, and I always get eye
infections because my eyes are so.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Dry, and just I've dealt with dry eye.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I was having like a really bad problem with it
a year ago and they gave me drops, which I
feel like actually made it worse. But it was kind
of it's kind of torturous. It's just always on your mind,
and that's not even a pain thing. So you're saying
you've found.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Formal medical research that confirms that there is a link,
it's not. The thing is is that there's formal medical
research that has found other papers of people who have
died saying that there were cause of death was due
to the LASiS. But they're saying, like, obviously, when you're
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saying it's caused, if you want to say it's caused
by the LASiS, then what medical thing either macroscopically or
microscopically is happening when the core is cut and in
only certain people, not all people. They don't have that answer.
So that's why they're able to say there's no there's
(35:11):
no link, even though there there's no clinical evidence linking.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, they don't have it like scientific link saying this
is caused by this Okay, exposure to uv L, like
we know, changes cells and causes changes in DNA and
causes cancer. They don't have those things. So that's why
they say that there's no link because they don't know yet.
But you just can't ignore that multiple people, like any person,
(35:41):
let's just say, for what, don't you think they're just
words smithing it too. So they're saying, quote, there's no
clinical evidence linking suicide to Lasik eye surgery. But it's
really like there are suicides connected to complications from Lasik messurgery.
It's it's one hundred percent a talking point too. I mean,
you just listen, like this guy. Let's pretend this guy
(36:03):
didn't even have LA six. He got in a car
accident and wasn't able to go back to work and
had chronic pain itself. He might kill himself too. That
doesn't mean that he has some kind of underlying depression.
It means that there was a traumatic event that caused
him to want to ruin.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
That's the event. You can't just assume that people have
previous mental conditions because they've ended up doing it, and
that this event could lead them to have new mental
condition that leads them to the decision. It's ridiculous to
even say that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So and like listen, I would argue that if you
add chronic leg pain, it's not in the same category
as the eye situation. No, just because of the weight
that it carries. Like, ultimately, if you have chronic leg pain,
that bad. Not that this is ideal, and this is
certainly a pain in the ass, but you could get
your leg amputated and get a prosthetic, not to say
(36:56):
that that's easy at all, And it's not a competent.
It's not the same as your it's just not the
same as your eyes. So like the and you're exactly
right with the wording of it, because when you actually
get the procedure done, most people say that it doesn't hurt.
There's not people that are like screaming in pain getting
it done. But it's the complications caused by the procedure
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that are causing people to go nuts in some cases.
And that just has to be recognized. And and there's
physicians that are trying to get this technology off the
market because they think it's that bad. I honestly believe
I have to talk to doctor Drew because I feel
like he had some kind of issue with something like this.
I was gonna send him this story and ask him.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
But there's them on to talk.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I know, right, I was, That's what I was thinking,
because I don't remember exactly what happened, and he might
have gotten it done for something else. But I know
he had complications from some eye thing and he's been
very outspoken about it. But I haven't heard him talking
about it a while, so I wasn't one hundred percent sure.
But yeah, like there's people talking about it that are
(38:01):
just like, nah, this is you're not giving everyone the
full extent and just telling people even like when they
signed the paper, Okay, you might have floaters and you
might have this like that shit would drive you freaking
nuts double vision, and.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Like, yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, I agree with
you one hundred percent. It's not like you have chronic
leg pain or chronic pain in your abdomen or something
like this, like this is your vision. You need your vision.
And obviously there's people that are blind and live really successful,
good lives. But if you're not used to this and
it's brand new to you, it's a new trauma, and
of course it's going to mess with your brain all right.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Our final story is like one of these I can't
believe something like this happened again in modern times. A
case of mistaken identity, just terrible case.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah. So this woman got a call that her son
was in the ICU at a local hospital. Well not
even a local hospital, it was like four hours away
from them. The family rushed there, sat by his side
until he died, started planning his funeral, and then the
day he was set to be cremated, she ended up
getting a text from a random phone number that claimed
to be her son asking for money, and it did
turn out it was him. Yeah, so she could She
(39:11):
got this this text and was just like, Okay, this
is a sick joke or something, which like who would
I mean, I guess people play sick jokes. But she
kind of blew it off.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And then she got another text from that phone number
and called it back and she said that the guy
that answered the phone sounded like her son. She was
able to get a hold and meet up with the
guy and sure enough, it was her son. So she
went through an entire three days thinking her kid was dead.
Now from they they don't one hundred percent get.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Into what's going on.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
With the son, but apparently she hasn't seen him in
person for a couple of years. He seems like he's
been like on drugs and overdosing, and any parent I
personally don't have, well, not in my own family story,
but I used to work with a woman who had
a daughter who was on heroin and and it was
terrible for her, Like every single time she got a
(40:03):
phone call, she thought she was going to get a
phone call that her daughter was dead, until finally, one
day it happened.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
It's a terrible way to live as a parent. And
this mom finally got the call that her son was dying.
He ended up dying in the hospital, and for three
whole days she thought her son was dead and funeral, this, that,
and the other, and then found out that he was alive,
which is great because now he thinks this whole thing
(40:33):
is like a new lease on life, and I really
hope it works out for their family. But still, like,
now you got to go back and be like, how
the hell did this happen? Well, it's really crazy because
a listener sent this in and said her brother went
to school with this guy, and there was this memorial
all set and then it got canceled suddenly, and then
this story comes out. So imagine like thinking you're going
to the funeral of somebody you went to school with
(40:55):
and then this crazy story comes out. But I guess
that the son had overdosed previously and gone to this hospital.
And then when this other victim came to the hospital,
a nurse thought she recognized him as this woman's son,
and they got in contact with him and said, you know,
your son's not in great condition, you should get here.
So when the family got to the hospital, they said
(41:17):
the features were so similar, but of course this guy's
in the ICU, he's hooked up to a ventilator, he
has bed sheets on. But they said all these family
members came in the hospital and that one of them
doubted it was him, which is quite twenty twenty five,
Like what do you mean? And nurse was like, hey,
he's been here before. Let's just find his parents and
(41:37):
call them. Like that that's not procedure even a little bit,
do you know, like like, do you know the answer
to this if if a stranger comes in with no
identification or anything, like, how do they find the family?
I'm not really sure exactly what they do, but it
could be the same could be said about what happens
when there's an unidentified body that comes into the morgue.
(41:59):
Like the first thing that you're gonna do is fingerprints
and try to figure out who the person is. I
mean eventually, eventually you could do dental records, DNA and
all that kind of stuff. But this, this listen, Like
this happens not.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I wouldn't say it's like an everyday thing, but people
come into hospital unidentified all the time, and you just
don't like look at someone and be like, hey, I
think I think I know his parents.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Let me call, Like that's the most outrageous thing I
ever saw. And she said that the guy like, I mean,
think about this, like you have a person. If you
ever see a person in the ICU, it's like they're intubated.
They got tubes coming out of them everywhere. Apparently this
guy was like wrapped up in sheets. She couldn't see
his arms, and he had a unique birthmark on his
leg and tattoos. But she said when she came in,
(42:44):
like nobody even asked her to identify him. And she
and this is the thing as a patient when you
get called and told that your kid is either dead
or almost dead.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
The last thing that you're thinking about is like that
that somebody has screwed this up. Your mind is in
a completely different place. You walk in, you're told this information,
and you're looking at this guy laying in the bed
that's swollen, wrapped up tubes everywhere, and you see that
they had the same hair.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, and also if they hadn't seen him in four
years and he was a drug addict, I mean his
appearance could change dramatically in that time. Yeah, I mean
I think people aren't there, like and.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
She yeah, and like I feel bad because the mom's
like I want to blame myself for not asking, and
I'm just like, no, no, no, this is absolutely has
nothing to do with you. It's it's just like and like,
obviously we're going to think about the case that we
covered back in two thousand and what was that from
two thousand and six or two no, two thousand and six, Yeah,
(43:45):
when this happened in America. We talked about this a
couple of times on the show, but that there was
this really there were these students that were in a
van and there was this really horrible accident and the
one got one of the friends. The other one was
still alive in the hospital and their identities were also switched.
(44:06):
So there was a family that was taking care of
a girl or a young woman for five whole weeks
before they realized that their daughter was the one that
indeed died and was already buried in the ground. And
then there was another family that found out that their
daughter that was buried in the ground was actually alive
in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Still, it's just absolutely crazy, and then you know, you
get to the question of like, well, who is this person? Then,
so the mother had who she believed was her son's
hand prints taken at the funeral home because she was
going to keep them as some memento, and then the
police had to end up using those prints to identify
who the guy was. And she said she hasn't heard
(44:43):
from the family still, but they were able to get
his belongings to them. And then this is the craziest
part too, is that she thought it was her son.
So they honored his wishes of being an organ downer
and said that this person was able to save three
lives with two kidneys and a liver. So and this
is what I think is and I don't know like,
what is a traditional thing to do in Canada. I've
(45:06):
never heard of family member asking for hamdprints of a person.
It's so random to me. Maybe that's something I never
heard of that happening around here anyway, So it might
be like a family like you don't know, it might
be like, I know, sometimes people take a look of
someone's hair or something like that. I don't know. It's
just so random to me.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
And it's awesome that it happened because they were able
to find the other person because the other person was cremated.
What the hell were they going to do to find
who it was?
Speaker 1 (45:36):
You know?
Speaker 2 (45:37):
So I mean that that all worked out well, and
that's just a twist of fake because otherwise they would
have not known who it was.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
And imagine the parents. I mean, everyone's got parents and
family and stuff, like, imagine how they feel. It's a
horrible story all around. It's totally unacceptable. Clearly the hospital
did not take the proper protocols in identifying this person.
And it's ridiculous to even hear that these stories happen. No,
it really is. And they're kind of just like blowing
it off to just by saying like, oh, well, we
(46:09):
had some training with the nurses, and they had some meetings,
and you know, they should have already been trained on
how to deal with this. I mean, yeah, I just
I don't even know what to say. I'm speechless about it.
All right, Well, thank you guys so much. We hope
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