On today’s MKD, we kick off the week discussing Abby Lee Miller's new lawsuit, the death of a beauty influencer known for eating cosmetics, a NICU baby dragged from her crib, a cyclist killed by a kite string, a manhunt for a father accused of murdering his three daughters, the shooting in Las Vegas, oat milk mold, and a euthanasia advocate who died by suicide.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone, welcome the Mother Knows Death. We have a great
episode for you today. We're going to talk about Abby
Lee Miller from Dance Moms, who is suing a popular
hospital for negligence. A young beauty influencer with a very
unusual gimmick who is now dead maybe because of that gimmick.
A nurse that accidentally killed a baby in a freak accident.
(00:42):
Just such a terrible story. A man who had his
throat cut by the most unsuspecting object. Of course, we're
going to get into the case that everybody is talking about,
the dad who it appears that he had PTSD and
may have killed his three daughters and he's currently on
the run, a nasty viral video involving oat milk, and
(01:05):
an update on a physician assisted suicide story that we've
been talking about here on Mother Knows Death. So all
that and more on today's episode. Let's get started with
Abby Lee Miller.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
All right, So, back in twenty twenty, Abby Lee Miller
had surgery on her spine and after the procedure, she
started up having abdominal pain and discomfort. So she told
the doctors, who of course initially blew her off. She
eventually forced them to give her a CT scan and
they found that they left a catheter in her from
the procedure.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
So Abby Lee had Burkett lymphoma, which is a rare
but really aggressive type of lymphoma, and that kind of
particular cancer can cause involvement with the central nervous system,
so it is likely. I was just trying to think
of what surgery that she would have had, and they
do something called an innerthecal chemotherapy, which is they would
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put a catheter into the spinal column and they would
put the chemotherapy drugs directly into the spinal fluid, which
is the fluid that surrounds the spinal cord and brain.
So I'm thinking that that's possibly what she had done,
but that was back in twenty twenty, so if they
didn't remove that foreign object, she obviously would be having pain.
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Your body reacts to stuff. If this is a normal
reaction your body has when there's a foreign object there
that it sees that it's there, and it starts freaking
out and trying to attack it and build up walls
against it, and it could cause all these sorts of problems.
Some people can get used to it and they could
live with a foreign body for a really long time,
even for the rest of her life, and it wouldn't
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make a difference. But other people really have significant complications
with it. And they showed the photograph of what I
guess her back looks like, and it looks like a
hole that looks it may be infected. And I honestly
I think that she's right for this lawsuit. It seems
like it was negligence.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah. I mean, we're always criticizing people for frivolous lawsuits,
but this is def warranted. She's doing theter Cy and
I and both doctors that worked on her, claiming medical negligence,
professional negligence, and medical battery. She's asking for one point
four million dollars, so I'm always curious how they come
up with that number. But I mean, if she's had
a lot of subsequent medical bills because of this, then
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it's warranted.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, it also could just be like because she was
in a wheelchair for a while, I don't know if
she still is. And this is something like paralysis could
be a common thing with burkitts lun foma. So I
don't know if she's considered where she is in her
treatment with the particular cancer, but if there's been situations where,
for example, her back and her abdomen hurts so bad
that she couldn't go to work one day, that's something
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that you would say, Okay, well she lost five hundred
thousand dollars that day for not doing part of her show.
I mean she she does the dance Mom's thing and everything,
so she could make a significant amount of money doing
certain shows or not being able to go to a
show for a couple of months to film, So that
that's probably like lost wages could be in that, and
(04:03):
just pain and suffering is also worth a certain amount
of money, and then of course any kind of treatment
you have associated with it.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
All right, so let's move on to this next case.
Beauty influencer Guava Shoeshoe aka Guaba Beauty has died at
age twenty four. So what's really interesting about this case
is she was kind of known for eating cosmetics after
she applied them to her face. But her family is
saying that the hospital ruled out that that was related
to her cause of death.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Well, but then what was her cause of dead. I'm
just curious, like I don't know if you could very
well be, but I'm sorry when you're seeing someone that's
in China, no less, that is known for having products
that are not the safest, especially some of their cosmetic
products are banned in certain countries because of heavy metals
and allergens and different forever plastics and everything like that,
(04:54):
Like you know forever chemicals that you're kind of like
this woman was eating them and they.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Said it was sudden ailments, so like poisoning perhaps, I mean,
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Like so a lot of the like something like the
forever chemicals and stuff that would not and it would
not cause an acute death, meaning that you would take
it and then you would die right away from it.
That's something that you're more considering down the road, Like
exposure to this over a certain amount of years is
going to cause people to have like infertility and get
(05:30):
cancer and things like that. So we're talking about if
it is possible that she did, she would have had
to ingest enough of a substance that would have caused
an acute illness, which meant right away and that but
we know that there's heavy metals that have been tested
in some of these things, which would be would definitely
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be a possibility in that case. And like I said,
and God knows what other chemicals are in here. I
don't know exactly why she would eat blush and lip gloss.
But you say it's it's safe to put like on
your lips, for example, but it's it may not be
safe to eat in large qualities quantities like that, So
(06:13):
that could be a possibility. She also could have died
from something else. It's it's not out of the realm.
It's just kind of interesting or ironic that she would
post these videos and all the comments underneath would be like, yo,
you're not supposed to eat. That's tough, and and now
she's dead.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, it's really reminding me of this episode of My
Strange Addiction where this woman was obsessed with eating nail
polish and she was like brushing it on her tongue,
drinking at the bottles, and there was this really horrible
part of the episode where she admitted that she had
a miscarriage because she couldn't stop doing it when she
was pregnant.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean some there're some now polishes that have
formeldehyde in them, and you certainly do not want to
be ingesting that. And like I said, it's it's safe
to an extent, like safe in quotes to put it
on your fingernails, and they do take into consideration that
people bite their nails and they might be getting it
in their body. But it certainly is not meant to
(07:07):
be consumed in large quantities like that.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
No, definitely not. I don't know if like so, I
just want to say, because nail polish smells so bad,
so I can never imagine like having any desire to
try it, you know. But I don't know if I've
ever told you this story, but when I was like
really little kid, you can bob me this like bubble
gum body wash or something, it smelled so good and
(07:32):
I tasted because that was like, it smells good, so
it must taste good. But it was also probably five
or six years old. I didn't know better. But I
just can't imagine wanting to eat nail polish that smells
so horrible.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I did the same exact thing. I remember, momm used
to have this really good smelling shampoo in the shower
and I was really little, and you know, you're you're like,
oh my god, this probably tastes you think that it
like it's like a red gel that smells so good,
and you're like, oh, it's gonna taste like that. You
know that candy you get that's like in a toothpaste botle.
That's like the gel candy. And then you have it
(08:05):
and you're like, oh god, it's soap. Like you know,
it's the same thing with shampoo and stuff. Like it's
safe that you know, you're washing your hair and a
drop might get into your mouth somehow running down your face,
but you certainly shouldn't sit there and drink shampoo.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I mean, that's why My Strange Addiction is such a
good show, because it just shows lots of people eating
weird shit and it's it's great. I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, all right, So this next story is really sad.
Back in March's baby was born with a heart condition
had to have surgery. She was placing the Nike youw
which I'm sure was already so stressful on the family,
and then a couple weeks later, a nurse that had
been attending to the baby put some of the cords
in her pocket, not realizing they were still attached, walked away,
and the baby ended up falling off of the table.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I can't, I really literally cannot believe that this is
a true story. It sounds so it sounds so outrageous.
Are you saying that's what the hospital came up with? No, No,
I mean no, I'm sure it did. I just I
just think it's so it's so negligent, like and and
just weird. I mean, think about the baby was only
(09:13):
a month old. I don't know if she was born
at term or whatever, but like a baby is still
you know, even if she was born sick or whatever,
baby's still like five five to eight to nine to
ten pounds like in that first month, right, I mean,
that's a significant amount of weight attached to a cord
just being in the pocket. Like I would think that
(09:35):
just walking away, the cord would come right out of
the pocket. But I really don't understand the setup of it,
because even I've never been in a nick you, but
I've seen the cradle the cradle type of beds. I
just don't know how it was set up that you
would be able to drag a body from a crib
(09:58):
or something and pull the out onto the floor.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Oh, I thought she was on like a changing table
or I'm not I'm really not open.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I'm not sure because they said the medical examiner said
that it was a fall from a crib.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Interesting, So just like if you think about that, there
is even with those little cradle things that they bring
to the mother baby unit with the baby and you
know what I'm talking about, it's like a little part
there's like some kind of walls on the side. So
just think if you had I mean, this is just
disturbing to even say it, but just say you had
(10:35):
eight pounds of meat sitting somewhere, like think about pulling
that off with a cord attached to it, like it
would be I just think it's weird that the nurse
wasn't caught up on something that she didn't notice that
there was weight tugging on on these cords that were
It just happened so quickly that actually, I know, it's
(10:57):
just I just I'm just trying to visualize it. And
any of you guys that work in the NICU or
just like work with little babies and could figure out
exactly what happened. I don't know, But the bottom line
is it happened and the mom and dad were by
this kid's side all the time, went home to go
take a shower or something, and get a call that
the baby fell. Happened, Like, how is that even possible.
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They go back to the hospital and they find out
that the baby has a broken skull and they weren't
able to They weren't able to revive the baby. The
not only a broken skull, but a brain bleed. Now
like that would be hard for any little baby to
come over, But this baby had a condition called dilated
cardio myopathy, which is when the heart muscle is kind
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of thinned out and it's in the left ventricle, which
is the pump of the heart, and it's not able
to pump oxygenated blood correctly throughout the body. So this
baby was already healing from whatever kind of surgery and
whatever's causing the cardio myopathy. So you can either just
have it and be born with it, or there could
be another underlying condition that could cause it. But this
(12:05):
baby's in the nick you because she's recovering from having
heart disease already, so that just makes it even harder
for her to deal with an injury like this. But
the manner of death was ruled accidental. It said that
she had congenital dilated cardiomyopathy complicated with blunt force head injuries.
(12:27):
So when they're ruling the manner of death accidental, they're
putting the blame on the hospital and saying that this
was an accident and talk about a lawsuit. I mean,
the parents don't even want to think about this at
this time. They were talking just before they left to
go take a shower about taking the baby home in
a couple of days. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I just I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what
went down to and I don't under I don't know
if I don't even know as the nurse, how you
could live with knowing that this happened. But obviously, if
it was an accident, it was an accident. But they
need to make sure.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It just seems like an unforeseen, an unforeseen accident. I'm
not sure. I'm not sure why you would, like I said,
I don't. I don't work there, so I'm not sure
why you would disconnect the chords and put them in
your pott. I mean, maybe she needed her hand free
for something else, or or he needed his hand free.
We don't know. If it's a male or female nurse,
But I just would like more information on how exactly
(13:25):
it went down. But I mean, think about a baby
falling from a significant height to the ground. Their their
skulls are already not hard as it is. You know,
I don't know if the baby was born premature. I couldn't.
I couldn't find that information. But their skull is not
is not as rigid anywhere near a child or an adult.
(13:47):
And just see just the significant trauma that happened. And
it it's interesting because I just was searching for this
story and I just searched the name of this hospital
and they have terrible reviews. And it's a specific hospital
designated for children's care in Ohio. And I don't know
what's going on there. If there's bad management, they're keeping
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bad people, or just like bad training, or if this
is just a freak accident. It's unacceptable. It's just completely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
No, totally okay. So a man and a woman are
riding their bikes on a New York City bridge last
week and during their ride, they noticed this kite flying
in the sky near the bridge. Didn't think too much
of it, but then as they got closer. The woman
was struck by the string of the kite, which cut
her hands at her forehead before then going back and
hitting her friend behind her and slicing his throat.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So a lot of people would think, Okay, this is
really weird for us. I mean, the only kites that
I've ever flown are ones that you get on the
boardwalk or something, and they're just they're just like string
that's not even as thick as a shoe string, right,
But this is they were using like these fight kites.
Know what that is?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, I never heard of it before this article, and
I just was having a hard time wrapping my mind
around it. So explain what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So you could do something called a kite fight, which
is the strings are wrapped in all different sorts of things,
but sometimes it's like a glass coated string where there's
like glue on the string that they put fragmented pieces
of glass over so it makes them sharp, and the
two kites can fly and cut each other's kite with
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the string because it's so sharp. It's literally as sharp
as a knife. So I don't know. I was trying
to look it up and I really couldn't find any information.
Because I would think personally that that shouldn't even be
legal to be able to fly anywhere near people. And
the reason I say this is because it's not really
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a freak accident as much as you would think it was,
because in countries where they do these kite fights, it's
much more common to injure peace people. I had a
case in the Grosser room years ago. So if you
guys are members, or if you join now, it's on
sale for twenty dollars, you could search for kite and
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when you search for kite in there, you'll be able
to see a couple cases that I have in there,
and one of them was, well, let me talk about
this one that happened today. Actually, So as I was
writing up this case and doing the notes for this case,
I had an alert come through my phone and another
(16:35):
story like this just happened in Brazil, like this week,
where a father of three was riding a motorcycle there
was one of these thought it was like these harmless
kite strings in the road, drove through it and it
wrapped around his neck, slice the throw opened and he
died critically wounded from this same exactly same.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
People for going near them and not thinking twice because
when I see a kite, I think it's like an
innocent children's objects, So I'm not thinking I'm gonna be
sliced open from it.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So so yeah, So like in America especially, it's it's
very very it's it's very unusual because it's not it's
just not common in America, but in other countries like
so the other case that I had was a case
out of India where there was you're not gonna believe this,
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six people died from these kite strings. Six people, one
hundred and seventy six people injured at this event with
the kite fights in India. The pictures are crazy. I
have in the in this post in the gross room
showing people that have like their foot partially amputated, their
nose partially amputated from these kite strings. So there's parts
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of Pakistan and India that banned these these rightfully so
because they have obviously they have more experience in more
situation where this happens. That's why I was so surprised
to read that in America people are using those things too,
because I've never heard of that here.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, I mean, who's regulating that If you see somebody
flying a kite, or you're gonna go check the string
and make sure it's not the ones that are dangerous strings.
I mean, come on, but so do you think in
this case, because of how dangerous these are and there's
all these reports about it, that somebody should be arrested
in this case for flying it in the path of
somebody that did get injured.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I mean, honestly, I do. I do because that person
that so, the woman who got sliced on her face
and knocked her helmet off or went against her helmet,
she might have because we don't know the extent, she
might have a scar for the rest of her life
on her face, which is whatever. The guy that was
behind her is in the ICU and bled out so
(18:51):
bad he can have lifelong complications from this, you know
what I mean. It's it's like a really big deal,
like it's he It's almost I would say it's like
a negligence, like the same as if you're driving a
car and you're being negligent and you hurt.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Somebody, Like yeah, like a manslaughter charge, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Like I really, I really do, And I think that
they'll be able to figure it out and I mean,
you don't just go buy this kite in a store
at the boardwalk, so something like this person knew what
they had, well, I probably got him on the internet.
I don't even I just like, don't even hear of
these things happening.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I wonder if at the time of the incident they
talked to that person who owned the kite, or if
they had already like packed up and walked away, or
now they have to do an investigation.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
They probably didn't because I'm not sure how it happened,
but if the person was up on the bridge, the
other person was probably not up on the bridge.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well that's what I'm saying. But when the first responders
got there, did they go down on the ground and
find who was flying it or maybe because.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, I'm sure I don't know if the people
on the ground even realized what was happening. But you
can you can't fly those things around people. There's just
so much documentation of a worldwide of causing. I mean,
the injuries are crazy. Like if I showed you a
picture of this guy's foot in this post, you would say, oh,
someone came with a really sharp machete and like chopped
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it off. It's a clean line and you're like, no,
it was a kite string.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Well, the learning objective from this story is that kites
are way more dangerous than they appear, so approach them
with caution, or you see one coming at you, run o.
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Speaker 1 (21:30):
So this case has been seriously like haunting my dreams
this entire week. I couldn't wait to talk to you
about it. I don't know what to say. I remember
first I had an alert saying that these three little
girls went on visitation with their dad and they were missing.
And you know, whenever you hear kids are missing, it
(21:53):
just like usually just never ends well. And in this case,
it didn't end well. They found the kids by an
embankment where they were with their father that had This
is so disturbing, but they had zip ties around their
hands and they also had bags over their heads.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Well, let's kind of backtrack and get into exactly what happened.
So the mom drops three daughters off with their father.
The kids are five, eight, and nine years old. He
wasn't allowed to have overnight supervision with them, so he
was supposed to return them by eight o'clock. Told the
mom he was going to be bringing them back by eight.
It gets to be nighttime. The kids aren't back. No
(22:32):
word from the dead. She's calling. The calls are going
straight to voicemail. This is a Friday, so over the weekend.
This part is really bizarre that I want to talk about.
So she went to her local police department and said
she was really worried about this, and they had contacted
the state police to issue an amber alert, but they
did not do that at first because they didn't think
there was any credible threat at that point.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's not bizarre, it's bizarre, but at the same time,
like they were saying that them was met, that the
kids were under seventeen years old, but that's the whole point. No, No,
there's different things. Other ones were that there must be
a reason to believe the person that the children were abducted,
and there must be a reason that there was serious
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imminent bodily injury or death that they thought was going
to happen. And when you hear what the mom is
saying afterwards, after she's been interviewed, you're going to see
why the police did not think that all three of
those criteria were checked. Yes, but it is like, in hindsight,
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it's weird, but there was there was no one telling
them like, hey, this guy's gonna hurt this kid. Because
this guy has been he has seemingly been a really
good dad. He's been to their events, he has a
good relationship with the mom. They consider themselves to be friends.
He never beat them, never hurt them. So when they
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ask questions like that, and they don't, you know what
I mean, Like this guy doesn't have a history of
like beating the shit out of the mom and being
violent and being all this, that's why they didn't think
that they wanted to go lightly with it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I understand that. But if you're getting to the point
where it's the middle of the night and you've heard
nothing and that's unusual behavior, then that's like, in my opinion,
the entire point of the amber alert because it's an
immediate alert when the kids are And also.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Like I guess and this would be something for law
enforcement officers maybe like what's the negative of like any
time a parent calls and says, my kid's missing, Why
can't why is there have to be a criteria? Why
can't you just be like, let's put out an amber
alert and then if the kids found safe, we'll put
out another alert and saying the kid's fine.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well, there's no negative to it. In my opinion, that's
I agree with you one hundred percent just do it,
and like in this case, they were wrong because the
following Monday, they found the dad's truck abandoned at a
camps late and they found all three kids dead, plastic
bags around their heads, dip ties around their hands, pierced,
they were suffocated. The dad is totally missing, Like I guess,
the leading theory right now is that he might have
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killed himself and they just haven't found his body.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yet, But now they think he might be on the
run too because of Google searches that he had. Yeah,
so they just had Google searches. He had Google searches
that were looking for like questioning about Canada, like how
to get to Canada and jobs in Canada, which makes
you think that And he was right near Canada, so
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that makes you think that maybe he would be trying
to go there. And all of his family members, including
his ex wife, say that he had extensive military training
and would be able to survive in a situation where
he had no food or shelter for a long period
of time.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
They believe.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
What's so, they they've done an interview with I'm not
sure if it's his wife because it seems like it's
her lawyer, representative at this time saying that he had
so he's former military And I guess this is why
this case is upsetting me so bad, because when you
look at the pictures, the guy looks like he's kind
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of cute, and he looks like he's kind of happy,
and the girls look like him exactly, like the one
kid is his spitting image, and you just look and think, like,
how serious you need to take this kind of stuff.
They were married, they were in love, and he was
in the military. He was showing signs of PTSD throughout
(26:29):
their marriage, and then he started waking up in the
middle of the night screaming, like sleeping one to two
hours night sweats. And this was the comment that came
from the representative for the mother, who said, the courts
did not fail these girls. It wasn't the judge, and
it wasn't Whitney, who's the ex wife, It was our system.
(26:52):
The wife feels like the system really let Travis down.
It's if someone would have provided Travis with the help
that he needed, those girls would have been alive. Before
the girls disappeared last week. There were no red flags.
He had some mental health issues, some instability in his
life that really led to the restrictions as far as
the overnight visitation or him taking them out of the area.
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But other than that, he loved those girls very much.
They were able to communicate on a regular basis, like
I said, So she really thought that after he was
out of the active reserves in twenty twenty three is
when things really started getting bad for him. And she
even said that he was the one that ended their marriage,
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saying that he didn't think that he was worth it.
And of course those types of conversations when people start
talking like that, are a little alarming, and she thought
it was alarming to the point that she got the
visitation change for the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, there was something, there's a significant event that happened
that changed that custody, which is he had the kids
overnight and they stayed in a homeless shelter. You let
them walk unattended to a convenience store. So that's what
changed the Yeah, so she.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Was just kind of like he's not like he's not
all there right, but at during all this time, and
that happened back in September, Like they've been doing this,
they've been having great communication, she's been getting them back
and like this is the problem too, when you're divorced
and there's visitation. In all these situations, the parents are
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tied as far because if you don't let even if
you're gonna hear from this woman, and even if you
feel like you didn't want the kids to go see
the dad, you're you're tied right that you can go
to jail if you don't let your kids do the
visitation with the guy. And I don't think that she
felt it was that bad she thought she she's even
(28:50):
even knowing that he probably killed her three children, she's
saying positive things about him. She feels she feels terrible
because she said that he was in military and was
not able to get treatment through veteran services. And I'm
sure she feels bitter about it too because it like
it ruined her marriage. Her kids are now dead, and
she saw something break inside of him because of his
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experience being in the military.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, I think sometimes it's hard to be angry with
somebody that you know is mentally ill and it's not
their conscious choices. Yeah, I know, so it's it's it's
like so not that she's not properly grieving her children
and not mad and devastated about I can't even I
can't even imagine how you would feel. And then she
probably feels terrible because she felt like maybe there was
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something she could do to prevent it.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
And and you know, there's all these different thoughts that
go through your head. But just hearing about it, it
just you just see this whole family shattered and broken
by this, and it's it's it's really just sad to
look at. So I don't know, like where the guy
is now, but now there he's armed and dangerous blah
(29:58):
blah blah, or he may be armed, their saying, and
and we don't know where he's at as of today.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, I mean he's been on the run since, if
he's still alive, since May thirtieth. I mean today is
June tenth, so it's been a while, you know, over
over a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, So I don't know. We'll keep you guys updated
on this story. It's just like, I don't know why
it's bothering me so bad. It just seems, well, you
have three.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Daughters, you had a custody arrangement with me, it's easy
to place yourself and this woman shoes.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, I just I do and I know, I know
lots of people that have custody issues, and you know,
it's it's it's just sad. But the way that they
were killed, it's just thinking about kids having their hands
tied and having a bag over their head and not
being able to breathe and remove it. It's just so
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it's so disturbing and you have to wonder, like what
was what was going through his mind to do this.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So over the weekend in Vegas, people heard gunshots near
the Belagio Fountains and it ends up that this whole
thing was on a live stream where this guy just
like walked up and killed these two people on the street.
It turns out that they had some online dispute, but
the guy has turned himself in. Now.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, so the guy, I guess one of the people
was named Finn the Legend, So he was the one
that was live streaming.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Did you see the video? I saw the video. I
thought it was like a casino live stream of some sorts.
I didn't realize it was a no.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
He was filming the video and then the guy shot
the one guy and it was like, I don't know
if it's a husband and wife or a boyfriend girlfriend,
like a partner situation whatever. But you could hear her
screaming like are you f and kidding me? Are you
f and kidding me? After the guy shot her her guy,
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and then all of a sudden the camera went down
and that was it. And then she got killed too.
So apparently they just had some like online. I don't
really know exactly what it was about that. Yeah, it
was just like a vague online dispute. Yeah, I mean
they said it's been going on for years. One of
them pepper sprayed another one and then on the video said,
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I'm glad it wasn't it was just pepper spray because
I thought it was bullets or something like that. So
clearly they've had something going on back and forth. I
don't know how what caused that to happen. And you
just sit there and think, like, why would anybody, especially
on film, like you're not getting out of it, right,
but why would you throw your whole life away to
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kill somebody like that? And and it you know, another
part of it is scary, like we were just in Vegas.
One of my best friends lives in Vegas, and you
just you sit there and you you look around and
everybody's walked by that. You could see the little balloon
from the Paris Hotel in the background, and you don't
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want to think that you're just walking up the street
and someone is going to start shooting seven bullets. That's what.
There were seven gunshots right out front, like not super
late at night, you know, and it's it's scary.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I don't know if that's that shocking in Vegas, that's
something like that would happen on the strip.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I but I think it happens that often, like Vegas
is I feel like maybe I'm being totally naive that
I think you're really naive.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I think really fucked up shit goes down in Vegas
all the time in public space.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I think things go down because there's just a lot
of alcohol and gambling and money and draws.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
The main thing there is drugs. But I don't know.
I wasn't very surprised by this. I actually can't believe
there's not more shootings. I think the interesting component of
this is that it was caught on a live stream
like that.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I think it's ironic that you can't go live for
the endless three hundred and sixty five day band that
you have for just we just can't.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yes, exactly, we just can't get over that I'm banned
from life life streaming.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, it's just so it's just such a stupid rule.
When you're not even technically breaking the rules, they just
deem you are. I don't know. All I'm thinking when
we're writing the notes for this case is being a
cop in Las Vegas must be the most ridiculous job
of all times. People.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know. I think like it's the same. It's
the same with being a PA in pathology, right, Like
being in the city in a hospital is way more
entertaining as far as pathology goes. It's not good for
the patients, but it's good for if you're into pathology.
Because people are addicts, they don't take care of themselves whatever,
(34:37):
and it's just they don't go to the doctor, they
don't have insurance. But it makes for really good pathology
in the hospital. Listen, if you're a cop in like
a clean little town that the biggest crime they have
is I don't even know, like a child shoplifting from
a comedience store, it might be a little boring. So
I think that cops in Vegas are although it is crazy,
(35:01):
they probably love it. It's the same. Like Gabe feels
that way about being a fireman, Like he doesn't want
to work around here, he wants to work in the
city where there's lots of fires because he wants to
go to fires. That's usually when you're doing a job
like that and you have passion, you want to be
where the action is. You know.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Well, you know, my husband always like talks to everybody.
He makes eye contact with too. But when we were
in Vegas, he got to small chat or to small
talking with a cleaning person on the elevator at the
hotel we were staying at, and she's like, oh, it's
a rough night, you don't You can't even believe the
stuff we see here.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, well, he's probably like on the lines of Diddy parties,
just like semen and baby oil and weird shit and
that's all over.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
This is the book everybody wants. Is the crazy shit
the hotel staff sees that the public doesn't get to
see when they go in the rooms, when people check out.
I'd be very fascinated by right, Yeah, I'm gonna put
I'm gonna push for any Las Vegas hotel staff you
got to push her through a publication of a book.
Everybody wants to know what goes on behind the scenes,
(36:08):
all right.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
This next story is talking about a viral video of
some woman who thought that her oat milk that she
was making with her coffee in the morning tasted a
little off, and she made this video that's now gone
viral about what happened when she opened the box of
the oat milk.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So, I think everybody's been there when you might use
milk out of your fridge or whatever to make your
coffee and it tastes a little off, but you're like, whatever,
it's not bad enough. So that's what happened to her.
The next day, she makes it again and is like,
this is disgusting. I'm going to investigate a little further.
So she cuts open the container of the oat milk
that she just used, and she's explaining how it's disgusting.
(36:52):
And I'm watching this TikTok and I'm reading the comments
that are saying this is the nastiest thing I've ever seen,
and I'm like, whatever, I've seen both these before, like
it can't be that bad. This is actually horrific looking it.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Is, And I think it's because it's like this gelatinous,
moldy material that is inside and just thinking that she
was drinking something and having chunks in her drink from
this whatever is happening here. I think that's really what
is the most disturbing part of the video. And there
are lots of comments too underneath. Also, if you search
this for this on Reddit, you'll see that there's a
(37:26):
lot of different pictures of people using different brands and
showing similar findings.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You see that somebody said they screenshot it reverse. I
mid searched it and it said it was basil silk carcinoma.
Like this is literally what this looks. It looks like
something on a peatrie dish. It really does.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It looks like a like a mold growing on a
peatrie dish. It's crazy. So the interesting things that I
found looking up some of this stuff. I wanted to
see if this was a thing with oat milk, and
apparently in twenty twenty oat milk really blew up with
sALS going over five hundred percent. Wait till you hear
why this is. This is classic. It apparently almond milk
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was quote canceled due to using up too much water
to produce it, so if you talked to gen Z
about it, you would be accused of not caring about
the environment, and oat milk became synonymous with being a conscientious,
super conscientious consumer.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Whoever left us the review about the gluten health misinformation
that seemingly was working for Big Bread that just didn't
like what we had to say, is also not going
to like what we have to say about oat milk.
I mean, they're in my in my knowledge, there's not
much nutritional benefit to drinking oat milk. It's a good
(38:47):
alternative for people that have like nuts, soy, and dairy allergies.
That's it. I virginally don't think it tastes that good.
It's a lot of calories. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Cancel's milk almond milk was canceled like this is a
serious article.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Well I didn't get the memo. But maybe because I'm
a boomer and some.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Well you're not being a conscientious consumer because I don't
care about the environment. See is this exactly why I'm
hesitant to do this bun tutorial that everybody is has
been asking me to do for years, because as soon
as I do it and people see that I'm using
aerosol hairspray. There's going to be like some trying to
(39:29):
cancel me for that or whatever. But seriously, like people
have only in twenty twenty, could you cancel milk, And
of course you're canceling itf for something that has no
nutritional value whatsoever. It's just I mean, like listen, like
oat milk tastes good and stuff, but it's high in
calorie and it has no protein. It's like, there's absolutely
no point. It's it's definitely not any kind of an
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alternative to milk whatsoever. And I guess soy milk is
the best one, but I could see people don't want
to have it because of the increased estrogeny. I mean,
that's kind of a real concern. But also people have
soy allergy too, So I guess with the oat milk,
they're saying that it comes sterilized in the container when
the lid is shut, so the only time it can
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have exposure to having bacteria or to having fungus is
if the lid is let open. And we don't know
the story with this girl, and this is why it's
kind of unfortunate that this isn't done with a real study.
This is just like a TikTok person that's posting their experience.
But I'm just putting it out there that it's possible
that she made milk and left it out on the
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counter with the lid off like all day and then
was like, oh shit, I forgot to put this away
and then put it in the fridge, and then that's
what happened, because we don't have a control of that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Well, I think also because it's non dairy, people think
it's safer to leave out for longer periods of time.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
One thing that I did learn though, which is interesting,
is that when you have these kinds of milk, she
should try to keep them in the coldest part of
the refrigerator, which ironically would not be the door, because
the door is the warmest part of the refrigerator and
probably most people keep that kind of stuff on the door.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, I would say that's probably right, especially because I
feel like the fridge I have is one that's really common.
They like the double door, you know, yeah, big shelves
on it.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So that's what I'm saying that that's where most people
would keep milk and things like that, and that is
probably the worst place to keep it. So I guess
it's just gross. And I don't know, like i've you've
you've opened milk before and it's spelt it's it's smelled bad,
and you're like, all right, this is it's even the
even if the date is off, just sometimes you have
a bad batch or whatever. But there's nothing as gross
(41:46):
as this picture of the oat milk. Like, no thanks,
I'd rather drink spoiled milk any day than than look
at that. Well, that just looks like it's it's it's
because it's gelatinous. Everything that's gelatinous is just nasty.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
I just don't think that. I mean, I could be wrong,
but I use primarily almond milk and I've definitely had
it past it as expiration date. But I don't think
it gives off the same rancid odor that regular milk
does when it's bad. So unless it's like physically changed
color or something.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
It probably has like a twinge of a different taste.
Obviously it's not going to smell like milk because it's
not milk. It's not an animal product.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
No, I'm just saying, like I don't think like milk
that it gives a similar rancid odor, but it definitely
will taste bad, but you already may have drink.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Do you remember, Do you remember? So my brother Goes
has a house in the mountains, which is kind of
like three hours away from us in Pennsylvania, right, and
he stops at this farm sometimes and he gets like
milk to he gets farm milk to bring home, and
it's usually like really good because it's not pasteurized. Probably
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that's why it's good. It tastes like really creamy and stuff.
But he chocolate milk for the kids.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Do you remember that? And the best is that I
drank it first, and.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So Maria, Maria drinks it and she's like, ew, this
tastes like farm like hey or something. And I was like, no,
it doesn't. And I'm like, let me try it. And
it did. It tastes It just tasted like chocolate on
top of the smell of like a cow and hay
and poop. I don't even know what.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
It wasn't like, it wasn't the traditional spoiled taste. It
tastes it tastes hey, yes, water like.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
It was so freaking gross. And then I'm like now
and now I'm forever tainted. I'm like, you know what,
I put. The more chemicals and process you do to
this milk, the better I never want to taste that again.
I was that was disturbing.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
No, that was gross, Okay our final story, of course,
this came out after we wrote about physician assistant suicide.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, like like yeah, like days afterwards.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah. So last year we had talked about this woman
who died in the Sarco pod, which is this chamber
designed for people to kill themselves by pressing a button
to release gas. We go really into this case in
the post in the gross Room, but it ended up
being extremely controversial because when they did an autopsy on
this woman, there was signs of strangulation and there was
like what happened? Did she actually die from the gas
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or did somebody kill her. So the doctor involved with
this case, doctor Floridian Willett, he was arrested and if
I think in December, they proved that he didn't have
anything to do with like a homicide or anything. But
now he's died by suicide.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
So this is what's supposed to happen. You're supposed to
go in this pod and you push a button and
then it drops the amount of oxygen from twenty one
percent that's normally would be in the air to zero
point zero five percent in less than thirty seconds, and
that's supposed to cause the person to pass out and
then this nitrogen gas is released that will eventually cause
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the person to die. And the guy, the guy that
we're talking about right now, was the only witness to
watch this first suicide death in this pod happen. And
apparently he called the maker of the pod into it,
like two and a half minutes into it. It's her
body started to cramp and then there was a loud
(45:17):
alarm that went off, so he called the creator of
the pod, I guess basically trying to be like, oh
my god, she's not dead. What the hell do I do?
And there was like something happened on the phone call
or whatever. She's still alive, Philip, he said, And then
she eventually dead and died and he said, oh, well,
she looks dead. I don't know whatever. Okay, So you
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would expect the autopsy would show that she had signs
of hypoxia and then that was her cause of death,
was that she died from from a lack of oxygen, right,
And no, they found something that said that there was
strong evidence that she was strangled. So you don't get
when they say that that means that there's marks around
the neck, there's hemorrhage and bruising around the neck suggested
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that somebody put their hands around her neck. You don't
just get those bruises. They don't get there, and they're
very specific. Sometimes you could even see like handprints, thumb
prints or something like that, so on the skin that
leave bruises, and then you would see hemorrhage in the
strap muscles below. You could also find that the hywaid
bone is broken. We don't know exactly what they found,
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but they were kind of suspicious and he was in
jail because of it. And then in January, apparently he
fell from a third story of his apartment. They don't
know if he fell or they don't know if he jumped,
but he survived whatever it was, and he had surgery
and stuff and was laying there healed, and now all
of a sudden, he himself had physician assistant suicide. So
(46:45):
I don't know if he was trying to kill himself.
I mean, that makes me think even more that she
didn't die and he was like I gotta finish this off,
and not happy that they investigated the death, Like maybe
he thought that since she was found dead in the pod,
that that would have been the end of it, but
they investigated it and now he got caught.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I mean, the headline's crazy, which is their goal at
the press, right euthanasia advocate dies by suicide after being
involved with this extremely controversial death, then having this weird
quote unquote accident where he fell three stories and then
had to have all these surgeries and how you know,
he didn't want to go through with it. So it's
(47:28):
definitely weird.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
But that's a good that's a good dissection we did
in the grosser room though, so check that out because
I mean that's only one small part of it. We
go through all of the different methods and really the
whole entire thing of it's disturbing. But from this guy's perspective,
like he told this this woman pushed the button and
she was supposed to die, and then she wasn't dying
(47:51):
and she was alive still, So he was trying to
like if if indeed he did strangle her, he was
trying to like finish the job and end the suffering.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Well, I mean like, but like, that's not okay.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
And that's not the protocol, and he did he might
have been the person. I mean listen, like, if there
was evidence that she was strangled and there were bruising,
then that means that she was alive while he was
strangling her. Yeah, but he got cleared of murder. Also,
when they invent this pod, is there a human test
subject or was that her? Like, did they know for
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a fact it even worked or was she doing the experiment?
We could say that about all of the physician assistant
suicide methods that that like, they don't always go according
to plan, and that's what we talk about in the
post about just horrific experiences people had with their family
members doing this.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
So I mean, honestly, this method is so much worse
than euthanasia because euthanasia, you're at least getting like the
injection right that takes you out, similar to what prisoners
are getting.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, and then you you're paralyzed and you're having pulmonary
a demon feel like you're drowning to death.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
And so I'm not saying that's an awesome method, but
it's better than taking one hundred pills in like an hour,
or in this case, being in this podcast, does it work?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
So you would prefer to be paralyzed and just feel
like you're drowning and you can't even communicate to anyone
like I don't.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
We're taking one hundred pills that might not work either,
and then suffering in a whole different type of way.
Let's want of questions of the day. Every Friday a
mother does death Instagram account. You guys can head over
to our story and ask whatever you want first. Is
spontaneous human combustion a real thing? So I would say no.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
We actually did a high profile death to section on
this in the grocer Room a couple of years ago.
So I'll give you some information from that post, but
you should really read the whole thing because it's interesting
and it has some actual cases and shows a lot
of the theories about what people think versus people. There
are people who think it is a thing, and then
there's people who don't think it that it's a thing.
(49:56):
So let's talk about the people who do think it's
a thing. So there's so what happens with spontaneous human
combustion is that a person dies in a very unusual
way there and that's why I want you to see
the cases and look at what the people look like.
But it's it's it's weird because their whole entire body,
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their upper body is burned almost to ash, and sometimes
their legs are completely intact, and like the couch that
they're sitting on isn't really burned and the rest of
the room isn't really burned. And you look at it
and say, Okay, if a person, if a human body
is going completely to ash, that means that it has
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to reach a temperature of over three thousand degrees. So
if that happens, you would expect to see the room
being really burnt up a lot more than it is.
So they think that it's something that's happening within a
person that's causing a fire. So what they're saying is
that they think that ketosis is a possible cause of this,
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and this is a metabo condition that could happen in alcoholics, diabetics,
or people that are on a low carb diet. You've
even heard of ketosis, and the ketosis can lead to
a volatile actone being breathed out by the person, which
is highly flammable, and they think that that could be
the cause of this spontaneous combustion. Now, people that disprove it,
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they also say that that's possible, that's a possibility, but
there has to be some kind of a flame source.
So people are saying that it's likely due to a candle,
a lamp, fireplace, a cigarette especially, and also could be seen.
So there's there's a demographic, like you know how we
were talking about on the when I was saying that
I don't believe SIDS is a thing because it's a
certain demographic of people that it happens to. Well, suppose
(51:46):
spontaneous human combustion is a certain demographic people. They all are,
all of them, almost all of them are chronic alcoholics, obese,
and incapacitated in some way. And another interesting thing is
that the scenes they find this weird oiling, like waxy
coating on the walls and ceilings. So they're saying that
it's like almost like the person catches on fire, and
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it's almost like a wick effect that you would see
with a candle because of a person's fat. It's a
similar thing that you would use to make candles, and
it's causing the people to burn and all of the
wax is ending up on the walls and stuff. It's
really it's it's really really unusual. But it's a very
fun high profile death dissection to read with real life
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cases and pictures of people that have been accused of
of spontaneously combusting. So it's pretty cool, all right.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Is doing your gel nails under a UV light without
protection a real concern?
Speaker 1 (52:44):
I like, personally, I think that probably is. But there's
there's the FDA is saying that it's low less low
risk if you're reading the label. I personally think so.
Like someone like me, like I've been getting my nails
done since I was like thirteen years old, going every
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two weeks for the most part, except during the pandemic,
and it's a lot of exposure. There's definitely people that
think that you should put and I people that I
know that either sell these like certain gloves that only
leave your fingernails exposed, or that put suntanlotion on their
hands before putting their hands under the light.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Somebody told me one time their salon put suntan lotion
on their hands, and I was blown away by that.
I hadn't even thought about it, you know, And now
I think about.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
It because it's the same it's the same kind of theory.
It's not the same exact thing, but it's the same
kind of beams that are used in tanning beds. And
so this the FDA right now says that it's safe.
And you could take that with a grain of salt,
because I'm sure they've said lots of things that are
safe that are not safe. So there was a study
done by a group called rad Tech, and they showed
(53:54):
studies out of Massachusetts General Hospital and Brown University, and
it's said, quote, so typical now salon exposures are well
within the limits of permissible daly UV exposure and that
one would need two hundred and fifty years of weekly
noil maintenance in order to have enough that would increase
your risk for cancer. So I don't know, like I
(54:18):
don't know what to say. I mean, I still go
and get my nails done because because I think the
risk is worth it. Honestly, I guess if you're that
has can't yet, like, well, put.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Tuntan lotion on if you're really concerned about it. Yeah,
get the gloves.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, I mean they saw you could probably get them
on Amazon. They're like fingerless or just use any fingerless
gloves would probably be fine if it doesn't penetrate the fabric.
But I really like even the one that I have
at my house. It's only it only fixes the polish
for sixty seconds, so it's it's a quick it's a
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quick thing. And there are ones that are made to
be safer and not, but I will and trust that
the one that your salon is, so I don't know,
all right.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Last, what kind of wedding cake did you both have?
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Mine was a simple cake from this bakery in South
Jersey that's really really good, and it was a canoli
cake and it just said to death do us part.
It was a little like what ten inch cake that
fed the ten people at my wedding And that was it,
and it was probably forty dollars.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah. I also had a canoli cake that our great
family friend Lynn made for us and it was the
most delicious cake ever. And then that was gluten free.
And then for the rest of my dessert, I just
bought like a ton of cookies and stuff from a
bakery in South Philly that I love for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, and then her wedding topper was the best part
because she go where did you get that.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Oh, I got this vintage cake topper on Etsy because
it had like crazy eyebrows, which I'm always saying. My
husband's like, you're crazy, and he looks like angry all
the time. So I bought it because of that. And
you and I asked if you could just paint the
hair red because the guy in the on the top
her head black hair. I guess it's like a like
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a porcelain nineteen sixties one. So then you spent an
entire day painting it to look like both of us. Yeah,
that was fun. Well in the broadcast, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Like, I was like post that in one of our
stories or something, because that was that was fun. Well,
what do you can't tell me something like that because
I'm a crazy person, Like yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
I mean she did our tattoos. She it was like crazy,
Well what why stop at the red hair?
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Like at that point? So it but that was fun.
So yeah, we both had Connoli cakes, which I honestly like,
if that's what you're wondering, I feel like that's a
perfect flavor that almost have you ever heard of anyone
say they don't like the flavor of a canoli? Come on,
they're like some people.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Might not know what cannoli cake is, because I'm learning
that a lot of desserts we like are very regional
to hear. But it's basically just a vanilla cake with
like a ricotta marshcapone filling with chocolate chips. I mean,
it's the best thing ever.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, it's it's because I I'm like a huge chocolate
cake person, but I like chocolate, so it's just like
just enough chocolate that it doesn't give you that rich,
like gross taste, and it just tastes fresh and it's
very It's just it's just good.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's very good. I actually haven't had conoli cake in
a while and now really crave in it. So maybe
I'll make make it myself one, or maybe I'll make
one for Father's Day this weekend.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah you should, because I'll definitely get in on that.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone, welcome the Mother Knows Death. We have a great
episode for you today. We're going to talk about Abby
Lee Miller from Dance Moms, who is suing a popular
hospital for negligence. A young beauty influencer with a very
unusual gimmick who is now dead maybe because of that gimmick.
A nurse that accidentally killed a baby in a freak accident.
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Just such a terrible story. A man who had his
throat cut by the most unsuspecting object. Of course, we're
going to get into the case that everybody is talking about,
the dad who it appears that he had PTSD and
may have killed his three daughters and he's currently on
the run, a nasty viral video involving oat milk, and
(01:05):
an update on a physician assisted suicide story that we've
been talking about here on Mother Knows Death. So all
that and more on today's episode. Let's get started with
Abby Lee Miller.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
All right, So, back in twenty twenty, Abby Lee Miller
had surgery on her spine and after the procedure, she
started up having abdominal pain and discomfort. So she told
the doctors, who of course initially blew her off. She
eventually forced them to give her a CT scan and
they found that they left a catheter in her from
the procedure.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
So Abby Lee had Burkett lymphoma, which is a rare
but really aggressive type of lymphoma, and that kind of
particular cancer can cause involvement with the central nervous system,
so it is likely. I was just trying to think
of what surgery that she would have had, and they
do something called an innerthecal chemotherapy, which is they would
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put a catheter into the spinal column and they would
put the chemotherapy drugs directly into the spinal fluid, which
is the fluid that surrounds the spinal cord and brain.
So I'm thinking that that's possibly what she had done,
but that was back in twenty twenty, so if they
didn't remove that foreign object, she obviously would be having pain.
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Your body reacts to stuff. If this is a normal
reaction your body has when there's a foreign object there
that it sees that it's there, and it starts freaking
out and trying to attack it and build up walls
against it, and it could cause all these sorts of problems.
Some people can get used to it and they could
live with a foreign body for a really long time,
even for the rest of her life, and it wouldn't
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make a difference. But other people really have significant complications
with it. And they showed the photograph of what I
guess her back looks like, and it looks like a
hole that looks it may be infected. And I honestly
I think that she's right for this lawsuit. It seems
like it was negligence.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah. I mean, we're always criticizing people for frivolous lawsuits,
but this is def warranted. She's doing theter Cy and
I and both doctors that worked on her, claiming medical negligence,
professional negligence, and medical battery. She's asking for one point
four million dollars, so I'm always curious how they come
up with that number. But I mean, if she's had
a lot of subsequent medical bills because of this, then
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it's warranted.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, it also could just be like because she was
in a wheelchair for a while, I don't know if
she still is. And this is something like paralysis could
be a common thing with burkitts lun foma. So I
don't know if she's considered where she is in her
treatment with the particular cancer, but if there's been situations where,
for example, her back and her abdomen hurts so bad
that she couldn't go to work one day, that's something
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that you would say, Okay, well she lost five hundred
thousand dollars that day for not doing part of her show.
I mean she she does the dance Mom's thing and everything,
so she could make a significant amount of money doing
certain shows or not being able to go to a
show for a couple of months to film, So that
that's probably like lost wages could be in that, and
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just pain and suffering is also worth a certain amount
of money, and then of course any kind of treatment
you have associated with it.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
All right, so let's move on to this next case.
Beauty influencer Guava Shoeshoe aka Guaba Beauty has died at
age twenty four. So what's really interesting about this case
is she was kind of known for eating cosmetics after
she applied them to her face. But her family is
saying that the hospital ruled out that that was related
to her cause of death.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Well, but then what was her cause of dead. I'm
just curious, like I don't know if you could very
well be, but I'm sorry when you're seeing someone that's
in China, no less, that is known for having products
that are not the safest, especially some of their cosmetic
products are banned in certain countries because of heavy metals
and allergens and different forever plastics and everything like that,
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Like you know forever chemicals that you're kind of like
this woman was eating them and they.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Said it was sudden ailments, so like poisoning perhaps, I mean,
I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Like so a lot of the like something like the
forever chemicals and stuff that would not and it would
not cause an acute death, meaning that you would take
it and then you would die right away from it.
That's something that you're more considering down the road, Like
exposure to this over a certain amount of years is
going to cause people to have like infertility and get
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cancer and things like that. So we're talking about if
it is possible that she did, she would have had
to ingest enough of a substance that would have caused
an acute illness, which meant right away and that but
we know that there's heavy metals that have been tested
in some of these things, which would be would definitely
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be a possibility in that case. And like I said,
and God knows what other chemicals are in here. I
don't know exactly why she would eat blush and lip gloss.
But you say it's it's safe to put like on
your lips, for example, but it's it may not be
safe to eat in large qualities quantities like that, So
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that could be a possibility. She also could have died
from something else. It's it's not out of the realm.
It's just kind of interesting or ironic that she would
post these videos and all the comments underneath would be like, yo,
you're not supposed to eat. That's tough, and and now
she's dead.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well, it's really reminding me of this episode of My
Strange Addiction where this woman was obsessed with eating nail
polish and she was like brushing it on her tongue,
drinking at the bottles, and there was this really horrible
part of the episode where she admitted that she had
a miscarriage because she couldn't stop doing it when she
was pregnant.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I mean some there're some now polishes that have
formeldehyde in them, and you certainly do not want to
be ingesting that. And like I said, it's it's safe
to an extent, like safe in quotes to put it
on your fingernails, and they do take into consideration that
people bite their nails and they might be getting it
in their body. But it certainly is not meant to
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be consumed in large quantities like that.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
No, definitely not. I don't know if like so, I
just want to say, because nail polish smells so bad,
so I can never imagine like having any desire to
try it, you know. But I don't know if I've
ever told you this story, but when I was like
really little kid, you can bob me this like bubble
gum body wash or something, it smelled so good and
(07:32):
I tasted because that was like, it smells good, so
it must taste good. But it was also probably five
or six years old. I didn't know better. But I
just can't imagine wanting to eat nail polish that smells
so horrible.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I did the same exact thing. I remember, momm used
to have this really good smelling shampoo in the shower
and I was really little, and you know, you're you're like,
oh my god, this probably tastes you think that it
like it's like a red gel that smells so good,
and you're like, oh, it's gonna taste like that. You
know that candy you get that's like in a toothpaste botle.
That's like the gel candy. And then you have it
(08:05):
and you're like, oh god, it's soap. Like you know,
it's the same thing with shampoo and stuff. Like it's
safe that you know, you're washing your hair and a
drop might get into your mouth somehow running down your face,
but you certainly shouldn't sit there and drink shampoo.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I mean, that's why My Strange Addiction is such a
good show, because it just shows lots of people eating
weird shit and it's it's great. I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, all right, So this next story is really sad.
Back in March's baby was born with a heart condition
had to have surgery. She was placing the Nike youw
which I'm sure was already so stressful on the family,
and then a couple weeks later, a nurse that had
been attending to the baby put some of the cords
in her pocket, not realizing they were still attached, walked away,
and the baby ended up falling off of the table.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I can't, I really literally cannot believe that this is
a true story. It sounds so it sounds so outrageous.
Are you saying that's what the hospital came up with? No, No,
I mean no, I'm sure it did. I just I
just think it's so it's so negligent, like and and
just weird. I mean, think about the baby was only
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a month old. I don't know if she was born
at term or whatever, but like a baby is still
you know, even if she was born sick or whatever,
baby's still like five five to eight to nine to
ten pounds like in that first month, right, I mean,
that's a significant amount of weight attached to a cord
just being in the pocket. Like I would think that
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just walking away, the cord would come right out of
the pocket. But I really don't understand the setup of it,
because even I've never been in a nick you, but
I've seen the cradle the cradle type of beds. I
just don't know how it was set up that you
would be able to drag a body from a crib
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or something and pull the out onto the floor.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Oh, I thought she was on like a changing table
or I'm not I'm really not open.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I'm not sure because they said the medical examiner said
that it was a fall from a crib.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Interesting, So just like if you think about that, there
is even with those little cradle things that they bring
to the mother baby unit with the baby and you
know what I'm talking about, it's like a little part
there's like some kind of walls on the side. So
just think if you had I mean, this is just
disturbing to even say it, but just say you had
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eight pounds of meat sitting somewhere, like think about pulling
that off with a cord attached to it, like it
would be I just think it's weird that the nurse
wasn't caught up on something that she didn't notice that
there was weight tugging on on these cords that were
It just happened so quickly that actually, I know, it's
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just I just I'm just trying to visualize it. And
any of you guys that work in the NICU or
just like work with little babies and could figure out
exactly what happened. I don't know, But the bottom line
is it happened and the mom and dad were by
this kid's side all the time, went home to go
take a shower or something, and get a call that
the baby fell. Happened, Like, how is that even possible.
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They go back to the hospital and they find out
that the baby has a broken skull and they weren't
able to They weren't able to revive the baby. The
not only a broken skull, but a brain bleed. Now
like that would be hard for any little baby to
come over, But this baby had a condition called dilated
cardio myopathy, which is when the heart muscle is kind
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of thinned out and it's in the left ventricle, which
is the pump of the heart, and it's not able
to pump oxygenated blood correctly throughout the body. So this
baby was already healing from whatever kind of surgery and
whatever's causing the cardio myopathy. So you can either just
have it and be born with it, or there could
be another underlying condition that could cause it. But this
(12:05):
baby's in the nick you because she's recovering from having
heart disease already, so that just makes it even harder
for her to deal with an injury like this. But
the manner of death was ruled accidental. It said that
she had congenital dilated cardiomyopathy complicated with blunt force head injuries.
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So when they're ruling the manner of death accidental, they're
putting the blame on the hospital and saying that this
was an accident and talk about a lawsuit. I mean,
the parents don't even want to think about this at
this time. They were talking just before they left to
go take a shower about taking the baby home in
a couple of days. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I just I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what
went down to and I don't under I don't know
if I don't even know as the nurse, how you
could live with knowing that this happened. But obviously, if
it was an accident, it was an accident. But they
need to make sure.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It just seems like an unforeseen, an unforeseen accident. I'm
not sure. I'm not sure why you would, like I said,
I don't. I don't work there, so I'm not sure
why you would disconnect the chords and put them in
your pott. I mean, maybe she needed her hand free
for something else, or or he needed his hand free.
We don't know. If it's a male or female nurse,
But I just would like more information on how exactly
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it went down. But I mean, think about a baby
falling from a significant height to the ground. Their their
skulls are already not hard as it is. You know,
I don't know if the baby was born premature. I couldn't.
I couldn't find that information. But their skull is not
is not as rigid anywhere near a child or an adult.
(13:47):
And just see just the significant trauma that happened. And
it it's interesting because I just was searching for this
story and I just searched the name of this hospital
and they have terrible reviews. And it's a specific hospital
designated for children's care in Ohio. And I don't know
what's going on there. If there's bad management, they're keeping
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bad people, or just like bad training, or if this
is just a freak accident. It's unacceptable. It's just completely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
No, totally okay. So a man and a woman are
riding their bikes on a New York City bridge last
week and during their ride, they noticed this kite flying
in the sky near the bridge. Didn't think too much
of it, but then as they got closer. The woman
was struck by the string of the kite, which cut
her hands at her forehead before then going back and
hitting her friend behind her and slicing his throat.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So a lot of people would think, Okay, this is
really weird for us. I mean, the only kites that
I've ever flown are ones that you get on the
boardwalk or something, and they're just they're just like string
that's not even as thick as a shoe string, right,
But this is they were using like these fight kites.
Know what that is?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, I never heard of it before this article, and
I just was having a hard time wrapping my mind
around it. So explain what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So you could do something called a kite fight, which
is the strings are wrapped in all different sorts of things,
but sometimes it's like a glass coated string where there's
like glue on the string that they put fragmented pieces
of glass over so it makes them sharp, and the
two kites can fly and cut each other's kite with
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the string because it's so sharp. It's literally as sharp
as a knife. So I don't know. I was trying
to look it up and I really couldn't find any information.
Because I would think personally that that shouldn't even be
legal to be able to fly anywhere near people. And
the reason I say this is because it's not really
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a freak accident as much as you would think it was,
because in countries where they do these kite fights, it's
much more common to injure peace people. I had a
case in the Grosser room years ago. So if you
guys are members, or if you join now, it's on
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to see a couple cases that I have in there,
and one of them was, well, let me talk about
this one that happened today. Actually, So as I was
writing up this case and doing the notes for this case,
I had an alert come through my phone and another
(16:35):
story like this just happened in Brazil, like this week,
where a father of three was riding a motorcycle there
was one of these thought it was like these harmless
kite strings in the road, drove through it and it
wrapped around his neck, slice the throw opened and he
died critically wounded from this same exactly same.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
People for going near them and not thinking twice because
when I see a kite, I think it's like an
innocent children's objects, So I'm not thinking I'm gonna be
sliced open from it.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So so yeah, So like in America especially, it's it's
very very it's it's very unusual because it's not it's
just not common in America, but in other countries like
so the other case that I had was a case
out of India where there was you're not gonna believe this,
(17:27):
six people died from these kite strings. Six people, one
hundred and seventy six people injured at this event with
the kite fights in India. The pictures are crazy. I
have in the in this post in the gross room
showing people that have like their foot partially amputated, their
nose partially amputated from these kite strings. So there's parts
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of Pakistan and India that banned these these rightfully so
because they have obviously they have more experience in more
situation where this happens. That's why I was so surprised
to read that in America people are using those things too,
because I've never heard of that here.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, I mean, who's regulating that If you see somebody
flying a kite, or you're gonna go check the string
and make sure it's not the ones that are dangerous strings.
I mean, come on, but so do you think in
this case, because of how dangerous these are and there's
all these reports about it, that somebody should be arrested
in this case for flying it in the path of
somebody that did get injured.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I mean, honestly, I do. I do because that person
that so, the woman who got sliced on her face
and knocked her helmet off or went against her helmet,
she might have because we don't know the extent, she
might have a scar for the rest of her life
on her face, which is whatever. The guy that was
behind her is in the ICU and bled out so
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bad he can have lifelong complications from this, you know
what I mean. It's it's like a really big deal,
like it's he It's almost I would say it's like
a negligence, like the same as if you're driving a
car and you're being negligent and you hurt.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Somebody, Like yeah, like a manslaughter charge, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Like I really, I really do, And I think that
they'll be able to figure it out and I mean,
you don't just go buy this kite in a store
at the boardwalk, so something like this person knew what
they had, well, I probably got him on the internet.
I don't even I just like, don't even hear of
these things happening.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I wonder if at the time of the incident they
talked to that person who owned the kite, or if
they had already like packed up and walked away, or
now they have to do an investigation.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
They probably didn't because I'm not sure how it happened,
but if the person was up on the bridge, the
other person was probably not up on the bridge.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well that's what I'm saying. But when the first responders
got there, did they go down on the ground and
find who was flying it or maybe because.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, I'm sure I don't know if the people
on the ground even realized what was happening. But you
can you can't fly those things around people. There's just
so much documentation of a worldwide of causing. I mean,
the injuries are crazy. Like if I showed you a
picture of this guy's foot in this post, you would say, oh,
someone came with a really sharp machete and like chopped
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it off. It's a clean line and you're like, no,
it was a kite string.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Well, the learning objective from this story is that kites
are way more dangerous than they appear, so approach them
with caution, or you see one coming at you, run o.
It's so scary kites. This episode is brought to you
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Speaker 1 (21:30):
So this case has been seriously like haunting my dreams
this entire week. I couldn't wait to talk to you
about it. I don't know what to say. I remember
first I had an alert saying that these three little
girls went on visitation with their dad and they were missing.
And you know, whenever you hear kids are missing, it
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just like usually just never ends well. And in this case,
it didn't end well. They found the kids by an
embankment where they were with their father that had This
is so disturbing, but they had zip ties around their
hands and they also had bags over their heads.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Well, let's kind of backtrack and get into exactly what happened.
So the mom drops three daughters off with their father.
The kids are five, eight, and nine years old. He
wasn't allowed to have overnight supervision with them, so he
was supposed to return them by eight o'clock. Told the
mom he was going to be bringing them back by eight.
It gets to be nighttime. The kids aren't back. No
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word from the dead. She's calling. The calls are going
straight to voicemail. This is a Friday, so over the weekend.
This part is really bizarre that I want to talk about.
So she went to her local police department and said
she was really worried about this, and they had contacted
the state police to issue an amber alert, but they
did not do that at first because they didn't think
there was any credible threat at that point.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's not bizarre, it's bizarre, but at the same time,
like they were saying that them was met, that the
kids were under seventeen years old, but that's the whole point. No, No,
there's different things. Other ones were that there must be
a reason to believe the person that the children were abducted,
and there must be a reason that there was serious
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imminent bodily injury or death that they thought was going
to happen. And when you hear what the mom is
saying afterwards, after she's been interviewed, you're going to see
why the police did not think that all three of
those criteria were checked. Yes, but it is like, in hindsight,
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it's weird, but there was there was no one telling
them like, hey, this guy's gonna hurt this kid. Because
this guy has been he has seemingly been a really
good dad. He's been to their events, he has a
good relationship with the mom. They consider themselves to be friends.
He never beat them, never hurt them. So when they
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ask questions like that, and they don't, you know what
I mean, Like this guy doesn't have a history of
like beating the shit out of the mom and being
violent and being all this, that's why they didn't think
that they wanted to go lightly with it.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I understand that. But if you're getting to the point
where it's the middle of the night and you've heard
nothing and that's unusual behavior, then that's like, in my opinion,
the entire point of the amber alert because it's an
immediate alert when the kids are And also.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Like I guess and this would be something for law
enforcement officers maybe like what's the negative of like any
time a parent calls and says, my kid's missing, Why
can't why is there have to be a criteria? Why
can't you just be like, let's put out an amber
alert and then if the kids found safe, we'll put
out another alert and saying the kid's fine.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Well, there's no negative to it. In my opinion, that's
I agree with you one hundred percent just do it,
and like in this case, they were wrong because the
following Monday, they found the dad's truck abandoned at a
camps late and they found all three kids dead, plastic
bags around their heads, dip ties around their hands, pierced,
they were suffocated. The dad is totally missing, Like I guess,
the leading theory right now is that he might have
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killed himself and they just haven't found his body.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yet, But now they think he might be on the
run too because of Google searches that he had. Yeah,
so they just had Google searches. He had Google searches
that were looking for like questioning about Canada, like how
to get to Canada and jobs in Canada, which makes
you think that And he was right near Canada, so
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that makes you think that maybe he would be trying
to go there. And all of his family members, including
his ex wife, say that he had extensive military training
and would be able to survive in a situation where
he had no food or shelter for a long period
of time.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
They believe.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
What's so, they they've done an interview with I'm not
sure if it's his wife because it seems like it's
her lawyer, representative at this time saying that he had
so he's former military And I guess this is why
this case is upsetting me so bad, because when you
look at the pictures, the guy looks like he's kind
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of cute, and he looks like he's kind of happy,
and the girls look like him exactly, like the one
kid is his spitting image, and you just look and think, like,
how serious you need to take this kind of stuff.
They were married, they were in love, and he was
in the military. He was showing signs of PTSD throughout
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their marriage, and then he started waking up in the
middle of the night screaming, like sleeping one to two
hours night sweats. And this was the comment that came
from the representative for the mother, who said, the courts
did not fail these girls. It wasn't the judge, and
it wasn't Whitney, who's the ex wife, It was our system.
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The wife feels like the system really let Travis down.
It's if someone would have provided Travis with the help
that he needed, those girls would have been alive. Before
the girls disappeared last week. There were no red flags.
He had some mental health issues, some instability in his
life that really led to the restrictions as far as
the overnight visitation or him taking them out of the area.
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But other than that, he loved those girls very much.
They were able to communicate on a regular basis, like
I said, So she really thought that after he was
out of the active reserves in twenty twenty three is
when things really started getting bad for him. And she
even said that he was the one that ended their marriage,
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saying that he didn't think that he was worth it.
And of course those types of conversations when people start
talking like that, are a little alarming, and she thought
it was alarming to the point that she got the
visitation change for the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, there was something, there's a significant event that happened
that changed that custody, which is he had the kids
overnight and they stayed in a homeless shelter. You let
them walk unattended to a convenience store. So that's what
changed the Yeah, so she.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Was just kind of like he's not like he's not
all there right, but at during all this time, and
that happened back in September, Like they've been doing this,
they've been having great communication, she's been getting them back
and like this is the problem too, when you're divorced
and there's visitation. In all these situations, the parents are
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tied as far because if you don't let even if
you're gonna hear from this woman, and even if you
feel like you didn't want the kids to go see
the dad, you're you're tied right that you can go
to jail if you don't let your kids do the
visitation with the guy. And I don't think that she
felt it was that bad she thought she she's even
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even knowing that he probably killed her three children, she's
saying positive things about him. She feels she feels terrible
because she said that he was in military and was
not able to get treatment through veteran services. And I'm
sure she feels bitter about it too because it like
it ruined her marriage. Her kids are now dead, and
she saw something break inside of him because of his
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experience being in the military.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Well, I think sometimes it's hard to be angry with
somebody that you know is mentally ill and it's not
their conscious choices. Yeah, I know, so it's it's it's
like so not that she's not properly grieving her children
and not mad and devastated about I can't even I
can't even imagine how you would feel. And then she
probably feels terrible because she felt like maybe there was
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something she could do to prevent it.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
And and you know, there's all these different thoughts that
go through your head. But just hearing about it, it
just you just see this whole family shattered and broken
by this, and it's it's it's really just sad to
look at. So I don't know, like where the guy
is now, but now there he's armed and dangerous blah
(29:58):
blah blah, or he may be armed, their saying, and
and we don't know where he's at as of today.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah, I mean he's been on the run since, if
he's still alive, since May thirtieth. I mean today is
June tenth, so it's been a while, you know, over
over a week and a half.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, So I don't know. We'll keep you guys updated
on this story. It's just like, I don't know why
it's bothering me so bad. It just seems, well, you
have three.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Daughters, you had a custody arrangement with me, it's easy
to place yourself and this woman shoes.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, I just I do and I know, I know
lots of people that have custody issues, and you know,
it's it's it's just sad. But the way that they
were killed, it's just thinking about kids having their hands
tied and having a bag over their head and not
being able to breathe and remove it. It's just so
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it's so disturbing and you have to wonder, like what
was what was going through his mind to do this.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So over the weekend in Vegas, people heard gunshots near
the Belagio Fountains and it ends up that this whole
thing was on a live stream where this guy just
like walked up and killed these two people on the street.
It turns out that they had some online dispute, but
the guy has turned himself in. Now.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, so the guy, I guess one of the people
was named Finn the Legend, So he was the one
that was live streaming.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Did you see the video? I saw the video. I
thought it was like a casino live stream of some sorts.
I didn't realize it was a no.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
He was filming the video and then the guy shot
the one guy and it was like, I don't know
if it's a husband and wife or a boyfriend girlfriend,
like a partner situation whatever. But you could hear her
screaming like are you f and kidding me? Are you
f and kidding me? After the guy shot her her guy,
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and then all of a sudden the camera went down
and that was it. And then she got killed too.
So apparently they just had some like online. I don't
really know exactly what it was about that. Yeah, it
was just like a vague online dispute. Yeah, I mean
they said it's been going on for years. One of
them pepper sprayed another one and then on the video said,
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I'm glad it wasn't it was just pepper spray because
I thought it was bullets or something like that. So
clearly they've had something going on back and forth. I
don't know how what caused that to happen. And you
just sit there and think, like, why would anybody, especially
on film, like you're not getting out of it, right,
but why would you throw your whole life away to
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kill somebody like that? And and it you know, another
part of it is scary, like we were just in Vegas.
One of my best friends lives in Vegas, and you
just you sit there and you you look around and
everybody's walked by that. You could see the little balloon
from the Paris Hotel in the background, and you don't
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want to think that you're just walking up the street
and someone is going to start shooting seven bullets. That's what.
There were seven gunshots right out front, like not super
late at night, you know, and it's it's scary.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I don't know if that's that shocking in Vegas, that's
something like that would happen on the strip.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I but I think it happens that often, like Vegas
is I feel like maybe I'm being totally naive that
I think you're really naive.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I think really fucked up shit goes down in Vegas
all the time in public space.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I think things go down because there's just a lot
of alcohol and gambling and money and draws.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
The main thing there is drugs. But I don't know.
I wasn't very surprised by this. I actually can't believe
there's not more shootings. I think the interesting component of
this is that it was caught on a live stream
like that.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I think it's ironic that you can't go live for
the endless three hundred and sixty five day band that
you have for just we just can't.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yes, exactly, we just can't get over that I'm banned
from life life streaming.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Well, it's just so it's just such a stupid rule.
When you're not even technically breaking the rules, they just
deem you are. I don't know. All I'm thinking when
we're writing the notes for this case is being a
cop in Las Vegas must be the most ridiculous job
of all times. People.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know. I think like it's the same. It's
the same with being a PA in pathology, right, Like
being in the city in a hospital is way more
entertaining as far as pathology goes. It's not good for
the patients, but it's good for if you're into pathology.
Because people are addicts, they don't take care of themselves whatever,
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and it's just they don't go to the doctor, they
don't have insurance. But it makes for really good pathology
in the hospital. Listen, if you're a cop in like
a clean little town that the biggest crime they have
is I don't even know, like a child shoplifting from
a comedience store, it might be a little boring. So
I think that cops in Vegas are although it is crazy,
(35:01):
they probably love it. It's the same. Like Gabe feels
that way about being a fireman, Like he doesn't want
to work around here, he wants to work in the
city where there's lots of fires because he wants to
go to fires. That's usually when you're doing a job
like that and you have passion, you want to be
where the action is. You know.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Well, you know, my husband always like talks to everybody.
He makes eye contact with too. But when we were
in Vegas, he got to small chat or to small
talking with a cleaning person on the elevator at the
hotel we were staying at, and she's like, oh, it's
a rough night, you don't You can't even believe the
stuff we see here.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, well, he's probably like on the lines of Diddy parties,
just like semen and baby oil and weird shit and
that's all over.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
This is the book everybody wants. Is the crazy shit
the hotel staff sees that the public doesn't get to
see when they go in the rooms, when people check out.
I'd be very fascinated by right, Yeah, I'm gonna put
I'm gonna push for any Las Vegas hotel staff you
got to push her through a publication of a book.
Everybody wants to know what goes on behind the scenes,
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all right.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
This next story is talking about a viral video of
some woman who thought that her oat milk that she
was making with her coffee in the morning tasted a
little off, and she made this video that's now gone
viral about what happened when she opened the box of
the oat milk.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So, I think everybody's been there when you might use
milk out of your fridge or whatever to make your
coffee and it tastes a little off, but you're like, whatever,
it's not bad enough. So that's what happened to her.
The next day, she makes it again and is like,
this is disgusting. I'm going to investigate a little further.
So she cuts open the container of the oat milk
that she just used, and she's explaining how it's disgusting.
(36:52):
And I'm watching this TikTok and I'm reading the comments
that are saying this is the nastiest thing I've ever seen,
and I'm like, whatever, I've seen both these before, like
it can't be that bad. This is actually horrific looking it.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Is, And I think it's because it's like this gelatinous,
moldy material that is inside and just thinking that she
was drinking something and having chunks in her drink from
this whatever is happening here. I think that's really what
is the most disturbing part of the video. And there
are lots of comments too underneath. Also, if you search
this for this on Reddit, you'll see that there's a
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lot of different pictures of people using different brands and
showing similar findings.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
You see that somebody said they screenshot it reverse. I
mid searched it and it said it was basil silk carcinoma.
Like this is literally what this looks. It looks like
something on a peatrie dish. It really does.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It looks like a like a mold growing on a
peatrie dish. It's crazy. So the interesting things that I
found looking up some of this stuff. I wanted to
see if this was a thing with oat milk, and
apparently in twenty twenty oat milk really blew up with
sALS going over five hundred percent. Wait till you hear
why this is. This is classic. It apparently almond milk
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was quote canceled due to using up too much water
to produce it, so if you talked to gen Z
about it, you would be accused of not caring about
the environment, and oat milk became synonymous with being a conscientious,
super conscientious consumer.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Whoever left us the review about the gluten health misinformation
that seemingly was working for Big Bread that just didn't
like what we had to say, is also not going
to like what we have to say about oat milk.
I mean, they're in my in my knowledge, there's not
much nutritional benefit to drinking oat milk. It's a good
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alternative for people that have like nuts, soy, and dairy allergies.
That's it. I virginally don't think it tastes that good.
It's a lot of calories. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Cancel's milk almond milk was canceled like this is a
serious article.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Well I didn't get the memo. But maybe because I'm
a boomer and some.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Well you're not being a conscientious consumer because I don't
care about the environment. See is this exactly why I'm
hesitant to do this bun tutorial that everybody is has
been asking me to do for years, because as soon
as I do it and people see that I'm using
aerosol hairspray. There's going to be like some trying to
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cancel me for that or whatever. But seriously, like people
have only in twenty twenty, could you cancel milk, And
of course you're canceling itf for something that has no
nutritional value whatsoever. It's just I mean, like listen, like
oat milk tastes good and stuff, but it's high in
calorie and it has no protein. It's like, there's absolutely
no point. It's it's definitely not any kind of an
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alternative to milk whatsoever. And I guess soy milk is
the best one, but I could see people don't want
to have it because of the increased estrogeny. I mean,
that's kind of a real concern. But also people have
soy allergy too, So I guess with the oat milk,
they're saying that it comes sterilized in the container when
the lid is shut, so the only time it can
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have exposure to having bacteria or to having fungus is
if the lid is let open. And we don't know
the story with this girl, and this is why it's
kind of unfortunate that this isn't done with a real study.
This is just like a TikTok person that's posting their experience.
But I'm just putting it out there that it's possible
that she made milk and left it out on the
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counter with the lid off like all day and then
was like, oh shit, I forgot to put this away
and then put it in the fridge, and then that's
what happened, because we don't have a control of that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Well, I think also because it's non dairy, people think
it's safer to leave out for longer periods of time.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
One thing that I did learn though, which is interesting,
is that when you have these kinds of milk, she
should try to keep them in the coldest part of
the refrigerator, which ironically would not be the door, because
the door is the warmest part of the refrigerator and
probably most people keep that kind of stuff on the door.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, I would say that's probably right, especially because I
feel like the fridge I have is one that's really common.
They like the double door, you know, yeah, big shelves
on it.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So that's what I'm saying that that's where most people
would keep milk and things like that, and that is
probably the worst place to keep it. So I guess
it's just gross. And I don't know, like i've you've
you've opened milk before and it's spelt it's it's smelled bad,
and you're like, all right, this is it's even the
even if the date is off, just sometimes you have
a bad batch or whatever. But there's nothing as gross
(41:46):
as this picture of the oat milk. Like, no thanks,
I'd rather drink spoiled milk any day than than look
at that. Well, that just looks like it's it's it's
because it's gelatinous. Everything that's gelatinous is just nasty.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
I just don't think that. I mean, I could be wrong,
but I use primarily almond milk and I've definitely had
it past it as expiration date. But I don't think
it gives off the same rancid odor that regular milk
does when it's bad. So unless it's like physically changed
color or something.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
It probably has like a twinge of a different taste.
Obviously it's not going to smell like milk because it's
not milk. It's not an animal product.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
No, I'm just saying, like I don't think like milk
that it gives a similar rancid odor, but it definitely
will taste bad, but you already may have drink.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Do you remember, Do you remember? So my brother Goes
has a house in the mountains, which is kind of
like three hours away from us in Pennsylvania, right, and
he stops at this farm sometimes and he gets like
milk to he gets farm milk to bring home, and
it's usually like really good because it's not pasteurized. Probably
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that's why it's good. It tastes like really creamy and stuff.
But he chocolate milk for the kids.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Do you remember that? And the best is that I
drank it first, and.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So Maria, Maria drinks it and she's like, ew, this
tastes like farm like hey or something. And I was like, no,
it doesn't. And I'm like, let me try it. And
it did. It tastes It just tasted like chocolate on
top of the smell of like a cow and hay
and poop. I don't even know what.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
It wasn't like, it wasn't the traditional spoiled taste. It
tastes it tastes hey, yes, water like.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
It was so freaking gross. And then I'm like now
and now I'm forever tainted. I'm like, you know what,
I put. The more chemicals and process you do to
this milk, the better I never want to taste that again.
I was that was disturbing.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
No, that was gross, Okay our final story, of course,
this came out after we wrote about physician assistant suicide.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, like like yeah, like days afterwards.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah. So last year we had talked about this woman
who died in the Sarco pod, which is this chamber
designed for people to kill themselves by pressing a button
to release gas. We go really into this case in
the post in the gross Room, but it ended up
being extremely controversial because when they did an autopsy on
this woman, there was signs of strangulation and there was
like what happened? Did she actually die from the gas
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or did somebody kill her. So the doctor involved with
this case, doctor Floridian Willett, he was arrested and if
I think in December, they proved that he didn't have
anything to do with like a homicide or anything. But
now he's died by suicide.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
So this is what's supposed to happen. You're supposed to
go in this pod and you push a button and
then it drops the amount of oxygen from twenty one
percent that's normally would be in the air to zero
point zero five percent in less than thirty seconds, and
that's supposed to cause the person to pass out and
then this nitrogen gas is released that will eventually cause
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the person to die. And the guy, the guy that
we're talking about right now, was the only witness to
watch this first suicide death in this pod happen. And
apparently he called the maker of the pod into it,
like two and a half minutes into it. It's her
body started to cramp and then there was a loud
(45:17):
alarm that went off, so he called the creator of
the pod, I guess basically trying to be like, oh
my god, she's not dead. What the hell do I do?
And there was like something happened on the phone call
or whatever. She's still alive, Philip, he said, And then
she eventually dead and died and he said, oh, well,
she looks dead. I don't know whatever. Okay, So you
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would expect the autopsy would show that she had signs
of hypoxia and then that was her cause of death,
was that she died from from a lack of oxygen, right,
And no, they found something that said that there was
strong evidence that she was strangled. So you don't get
when they say that that means that there's marks around
the neck, there's hemorrhage and bruising around the neck suggested
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that somebody put their hands around her neck. You don't
just get those bruises. They don't get there, and they're
very specific. Sometimes you could even see like handprints, thumb
prints or something like that, so on the skin that
leave bruises, and then you would see hemorrhage in the
strap muscles below. You could also find that the hywaid
bone is broken. We don't know exactly what they found,
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but they were kind of suspicious and he was in
jail because of it. And then in January, apparently he
fell from a third story of his apartment. They don't
know if he fell or they don't know if he jumped,
but he survived whatever it was, and he had surgery
and stuff and was laying there healed, and now all
of a sudden, he himself had physician assistant suicide. So
(46:45):
I don't know if he was trying to kill himself.
I mean, that makes me think even more that she
didn't die and he was like I gotta finish this off,
and not happy that they investigated the death, Like maybe
he thought that since she was found dead in the pod,
that that would have been the end of it, but
they investigated it and now he got caught.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I mean, the headline's crazy, which is their goal at
the press, right euthanasia advocate dies by suicide after being
involved with this extremely controversial death, then having this weird
quote unquote accident where he fell three stories and then
had to have all these surgeries and how you know,
he didn't want to go through with it. So it's
(47:28):
definitely weird.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
But that's a good that's a good dissection we did
in the grosser room though, so check that out because
I mean that's only one small part of it. We
go through all of the different methods and really the
whole entire thing of it's disturbing. But from this guy's perspective,
like he told this this woman pushed the button and
she was supposed to die, and then she wasn't dying
(47:51):
and she was alive still, So he was trying to
like if if indeed he did strangle her, he was
trying to like finish the job and end the suffering.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Well, I mean like, but like, that's not okay.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
And that's not the protocol, and he did he might
have been the person. I mean listen, like, if there
was evidence that she was strangled and there were bruising,
then that means that she was alive while he was
strangling her. Yeah, but he got cleared of murder. Also,
when they invent this pod, is there a human test
subject or was that her? Like, did they know for
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a fact it even worked or was she doing the experiment?
We could say that about all of the physician assistant
suicide methods that that like, they don't always go according
to plan, and that's what we talk about in the
post about just horrific experiences people had with their family
members doing this.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
So I mean, honestly, this method is so much worse
than euthanasia because euthanasia, you're at least getting like the
injection right that takes you out, similar to what prisoners
are getting.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, and then you you're paralyzed and you're having pulmonary
a demon feel like you're drowning to death.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
And so I'm not saying that's an awesome method, but
it's better than taking one hundred pills in like an hour,
or in this case, being in this podcast, does it work?
Speaker 1 (49:10):
So you would prefer to be paralyzed and just feel
like you're drowning and you can't even communicate to anyone
like I don't.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
We're taking one hundred pills that might not work either,
and then suffering in a whole different type of way.
Let's want of questions of the day. Every Friday a
mother does death Instagram account. You guys can head over
to our story and ask whatever you want first. Is
spontaneous human combustion a real thing? So I would say no.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
We actually did a high profile death to section on
this in the grocer Room a couple of years ago.
So I'll give you some information from that post, but
you should really read the whole thing because it's interesting
and it has some actual cases and shows a lot
of the theories about what people think versus people. There
are people who think it is a thing, and then
there's people who don't think it that it's a thing.
(49:56):
So let's talk about the people who do think it's
a thing. So there's so what happens with spontaneous human
combustion is that a person dies in a very unusual
way there and that's why I want you to see
the cases and look at what the people look like.
But it's it's it's weird because their whole entire body,
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their upper body is burned almost to ash, and sometimes
their legs are completely intact, and like the couch that
they're sitting on isn't really burned and the rest of
the room isn't really burned. And you look at it
and say, Okay, if a person, if a human body
is going completely to ash, that means that it has
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to reach a temperature of over three thousand degrees. So
if that happens, you would expect to see the room
being really burnt up a lot more than it is.
So they think that it's something that's happening within a
person that's causing a fire. So what they're saying is
that they think that ketosis is a possible cause of this,
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and this is a metabo condition that could happen in alcoholics, diabetics,
or people that are on a low carb diet. You've
even heard of ketosis, and the ketosis can lead to
a volatile actone being breathed out by the person, which
is highly flammable, and they think that that could be
the cause of this spontaneous combustion. Now, people that disprove it,
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they also say that that's possible, that's a possibility, but
there has to be some kind of a flame source.
So people are saying that it's likely due to a candle,
a lamp, fireplace, a cigarette especially, and also could be seen.
So there's there's a demographic, like you know how we
were talking about on the when I was saying that
I don't believe SIDS is a thing because it's a
certain demographic of people that it happens to. Well, suppose
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spontaneous human combustion is a certain demographic people. They all are,
all of them, almost all of them are chronic alcoholics, obese,
and incapacitated in some way. And another interesting thing is
that the scenes they find this weird oiling, like waxy
coating on the walls and ceilings. So they're saying that
it's like almost like the person catches on fire, and
(52:09):
it's almost like a wick effect that you would see
with a candle because of a person's fat. It's a
similar thing that you would use to make candles, and
it's causing the people to burn and all of the
wax is ending up on the walls and stuff. It's
really it's it's really really unusual. But it's a very
fun high profile death dissection to read with real life
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cases and pictures of people that have been accused of
of spontaneously combusting. So it's pretty cool, all right.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Is doing your gel nails under a UV light without
protection a real concern?
Speaker 1 (52:44):
I like, personally, I think that probably is. But there's
there's the FDA is saying that it's low less low
risk if you're reading the label. I personally think so.
Like someone like me, like I've been getting my nails
done since I was like thirteen years old, going every
(53:04):
two weeks for the most part, except during the pandemic,
and it's a lot of exposure. There's definitely people that
think that you should put and I people that I
know that either sell these like certain gloves that only
leave your fingernails exposed, or that put suntanlotion on their
hands before putting their hands under the light.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Somebody told me one time their salon put suntan lotion
on their hands, and I was blown away by that.
I hadn't even thought about it, you know, And now
I think about.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
It because it's the same it's the same kind of theory.
It's not the same exact thing, but it's the same
kind of beams that are used in tanning beds. And
so this the FDA right now says that it's safe.
And you could take that with a grain of salt,
because I'm sure they've said lots of things that are
safe that are not safe. So there was a study
done by a group called rad Tech, and they showed
(53:54):
studies out of Massachusetts General Hospital and Brown University, and
it's said, quote, so typical now salon exposures are well
within the limits of permissible daly UV exposure and that
one would need two hundred and fifty years of weekly
noil maintenance in order to have enough that would increase
your risk for cancer. So I don't know, like I
(54:18):
don't know what to say. I mean, I still go
and get my nails done because because I think the
risk is worth it. Honestly, I guess if you're that
has can't yet, like, well, put.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Tuntan lotion on if you're really concerned about it. Yeah,
get the gloves.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, I mean they saw you could probably get them
on Amazon. They're like fingerless or just use any fingerless
gloves would probably be fine if it doesn't penetrate the fabric.
But I really like even the one that I have
at my house. It's only it only fixes the polish
for sixty seconds, so it's it's a quick it's a
(54:54):
quick thing. And there are ones that are made to
be safer and not, but I will and trust that
the one that your salon is, so I don't know,
all right.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Last, what kind of wedding cake did you both have?
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Mine was a simple cake from this bakery in South
Jersey that's really really good, and it was a canoli
cake and it just said to death do us part.
It was a little like what ten inch cake that
fed the ten people at my wedding And that was it,
and it was probably forty dollars.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah. I also had a canoli cake that our great
family friend Lynn made for us and it was the
most delicious cake ever. And then that was gluten free.
And then for the rest of my dessert, I just
bought like a ton of cookies and stuff from a
bakery in South Philly that I love for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, and then her wedding topper was the best part
because she go where did you get that.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Oh, I got this vintage cake topper on Etsy because
it had like crazy eyebrows, which I'm always saying. My
husband's like, you're crazy, and he looks like angry all
the time. So I bought it because of that. And
you and I asked if you could just paint the
hair red because the guy in the on the top
her head black hair. I guess it's like a like
(56:13):
a porcelain nineteen sixties one. So then you spent an
entire day painting it to look like both of us. Yeah,
that was fun. Well in the broadcast, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Like, I was like post that in one of our
stories or something, because that was that was fun. Well,
what do you can't tell me something like that because
I'm a crazy person, Like yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
I mean she did our tattoos. She it was like crazy,
Well what why stop at the red hair?
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Like at that point? So it but that was fun.
So yeah, we both had Connoli cakes, which I honestly like,
if that's what you're wondering, I feel like that's a
perfect flavor that almost have you ever heard of anyone
say they don't like the flavor of a canoli? Come on,
they're like some people.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Might not know what cannoli cake is, because I'm learning
that a lot of desserts we like are very regional
to hear. But it's basically just a vanilla cake with
like a ricotta marshcapone filling with chocolate chips. I mean,
it's the best thing ever.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, it's it's because I I'm like a huge chocolate
cake person, but I like chocolate, so it's just like
just enough chocolate that it doesn't give you that rich,
like gross taste, and it just tastes fresh and it's
very It's just it's just good.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
It's very good. I actually haven't had conoli cake in
a while and now really crave in it. So maybe
I'll make make it myself one, or maybe I'll make
one for Father's Day this weekend.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah you should, because I'll definitely get in on that.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
All right, Well, thank you guys so much. Don't forget
to buy tickets for the Atlanta Meat and Greet that
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Room on social media. We also have a really special
guest coming on tomorrow to talk about Sherry Pepiti, faking pregnancies, misinformation,
and TikTok mental health videos, So that episode is going
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to be really CiCe stop using the word missing deceptive
TikTok videos. So that episode's going to be really awesome
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Speaker 1 (58:17):
Have a good night, guys. Thank you for listening to
Mother No's Death. As a reminder, my training is as
a pathologists assistant. I have a master's level education and
specialize in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a
doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead
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This show, my website, and social media accounts are designed
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